1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing position and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: This is episode twenty seven. We'll be talking with special 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: guest Henley Vasquez, who is the owner of Passported, which 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: is a family travel company. So we'll be learning all 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: about kids and travel. But for Sarah, what kind of 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: travel do you guys have coming up this year? We 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: are not going to do anything terribly ambitious this year 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: because of the ages of our kids, although I will 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: say I think this year is going to be easier 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: than next year from mc prior experience. But right now 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: it looks like we're going to do a Pacific Northwest 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: trip in August and probably a little mini Disney trip 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: during a conference that my husband is going to this spring, 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: and I think we might do Philadelphia for Thanksgiving. Like, 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: if you live in Florida, are you required to get 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: a Disney basically every year or so? It's so funny 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: because I would rather not. Honestly, I think part of 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: what makes Disney fun is that you don't go so often. 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 1: And I may be in the minority, and that especially 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: among people who live here, because we definitely have friends 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: who have annual passes and seem to go multiple times 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: per year. However, my husband has a conference at a 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: really nice hotel and I just feel like, how can 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: we pass that up? So, yeah, it'd be good. Yeah, 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: We're we're We have two summer beach trips planned, one 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: with extended family. We also have some rooms booked in 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Yellowstone National Park at the end of the summer because 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I got on their website on May first, twenty seventeen 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: to book for August of twenty eighteen. So that's coming up. 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: But we're still working on planning a President's Day and 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: spring break. I may have to hit Henley up for 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: tips before and that's getting me worse. Tell me where 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go? I know, well, you know it's 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: we've done the kids did. The big kids did skiing 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: over Christmas break, so we've kind of done that, and 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: I know, maybe go someplace beachy, But then we've got 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: two summer beach trips. I don't know. I'm kind of 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: at a loss. I think you're going to be tired 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: of the cold and you need to go somewhere beichi. 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Even if the beach this summer, come to me, come 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: visit me. We've thought about doing like a you know, 50 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: a big kids trip to Europe maybe, although you know, 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm trying to think how much of that 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: would be fun for them versus like fun for me. 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I like going to art museums and historic stuff. 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: But I'm not entirely clear that our guest will be 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: able to help. Yeah, just figure out what's actually fun 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: from that. So yeah, we're looking forward to that. Cool. Well, 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: we're excited to welcome Henley Vzquez to the program. I 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: know Henley from college back when she was Henley Holmes 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: that she then married another one of our classmates, So 60 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: that's exciting. And she has been in the she's been 61 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: in the travel industry for low of these many years. 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: So Henley, could you introduce yourself. Yeah, Hi, thanks so 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: much for having me. My name is Henley Vasquez, and 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: I am the founder of a company called Passported, which 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: focuses on family travel. And you have a family that 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: travels with you. I do, although sometimes I wish they 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't so much. It's occupational hazard. You've got at the hazard. Yes, 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I have three kids. They are eleven, seven and now 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: six months old. We are back in the baby phase again, 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: so sort of learning to practice what I preach about 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: taking your kids everywhere and even what it means some 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: bumpy flights and some limited sleep while you're on the road. Well, 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: tell us about that philosophy, because I think a lot 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: of people when it comes to family and travel, are like, 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is going to be all pain, 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Like what's the point. So what's your philosophy about it? 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: So my philosophy is, yes, there is a whole lot 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: of pain when it comes to traveling with children. But 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: I do think that the more you do it, the 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: better it gets. For starters, like anything, practice makes perfect, 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: and that even I've heard a lot of people say, well, 82 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: young kids don't remember there's you know, it's not worth it. 83 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: It's not that this doesn't mean anything to them. But 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: I totally disagree with that. And I think that the 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: more that we expose our children to new experiences, new places, 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: new cultures, new countries, the more it seeps into to 87 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: their sort of essence and sort of thinking of themselves 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: as part of a much bigger world than their own 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: neighborhood or their own school, even at a very young age. 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: And I think that they become more flexible just simple 91 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: things like learning to eat different stuff, learning to sit 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: still when you're on a plane for a while. And 93 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: I also just think that it's wonderful as a family 94 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: to bond over even the hard parts. But you did it, 95 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: you made it, you got back home, And although there 96 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: are times where it's difficult, it seems that it's always 97 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: it's always sort of making memories versus sitting around and 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: doing the same thing on another weekend. Yeah exactly. I mean, 99 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: are there certain mindset things that families need to develop, 100 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I guess to think about like mistakes people might make, 101 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: like thinking that a trip with adults would be planned 102 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the same way as a trip with kids. I mean, 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: what do you say the big mistakes people make with you? Yeah, 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I think as an adult, if you 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: and your spouse are headed on a trip to somewhere, 106 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: you can probably wing it a little bit. You don't 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: have to plan on an every moment. In fact, it's 108 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: nice just to be able to wander and be free 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: with kids. I think it's very different if you land, 110 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: for example, somewhere where your children are jet lag and 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: you don't have a plan. It's all going downhill fast, 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: and those are those moments that make you go, why 113 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: are we even doing this? We could have stayed home, 114 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: so preparing, planning, knowing what you're going to do, not 115 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: having to think so much on your feet, because you 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: are often grappling with you know, tan drums and hunger 117 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: and tiredness. So knowing well, this is what we're doing today, 118 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: and this is where we're eating tonight, and being able 119 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: to just sort of fall into a little bit of 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: a schedule can really help. And I think most of 121 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: us probably have our kids on a routine in a 122 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: schedule at home. Establishing that the minute that you get 123 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: somewhere else can really help smooth things over. From the 124 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: child's perspective, It gives a little bit of predictability and 125 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: also from the parents' perspective. I want those kids to 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: go to bed on time, even when we're traveling, because 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: my husband and I want to have a little bit 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: of our own time where we can actually, you know, 129 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: sometimes it might be like sitting in the bathroom speaking 130 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: quietly with a glass of wine, But you need to 131 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: carve out those moments as adults where you still get 132 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of vacation in the middle of all 133 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: the adventures with your kids. I'm enjoying the image of 134 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: you two sitting in the bathroom having wine together on 135 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: the floor of the bathroom. Absolutely have had that exact 136 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: same experience, or at least like on the floor of 137 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: a tiny little balcony, like no or the weather conditions, 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: So it's got to be universal love. I love that 139 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: you talk about planning because that tends to be a 140 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: big central theme in survival with young kids in general. 141 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: But that makes total sense because nobody wants to be 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote like wandering around looking for a place for 143 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: dinner when you have a young child with you who's screaming. 144 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: It's totally different when you're you know, a couple on 145 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: a romantic getaway. That sounds fun, but what a disaster 146 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: in that different context. Absolutely, so probably that idea of 147 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: planning extends to your packing as well. So I wonder 148 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: if you could give us family packing guidelines. Well, so 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I am. I travel a lot for work, and when 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm traveling without my kids, I tend to be the 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of person who is packing at the last minute, 152 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: throwing stuff into a suitcase. I rarely unpack my suitcase, 153 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: which drives my husband crazy. But it when you're traveling 154 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 1: with your children, it's totally different. So I actually pack 155 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: the suitcase for my kids and for myself that I'm 156 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: traveling with them days before our trip to me sure 157 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: that we've really got everything in there. I always bring 158 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: more underwear than you think you need, because that's the 159 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: stuff that can go through for the flight itself. I 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: think it's really important to bring an extra complete outfit 161 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: for every child and an extra outfit for yourself, because 162 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: you know somebody's going to spill something on you, they're 163 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: going to throw up on you, it's it's going to 164 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: get messy at some point. And I also think really 165 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: consider the age of your children and what they're going 166 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: to need to have their bit of downtime. So older kids, 167 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, make sure that the headphones are working on 168 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: the iPad, or that they have that book that they're 169 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: really into right now. When it's a baby, I just 170 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of My six month old has 171 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: now just finished her seventh flight, and I've realized there's 172 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: a whole new set of stuff that makes traveling with 173 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: a baby easier that didn't even exist with my other kids. 174 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Can you talk about it in that zone right now? 175 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean like I'm blown away by the stuff. So 176 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: one is the yo Ya stroller, which actually folds up 177 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: and fits into the overhead compartment of an airplane. So 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: with my other kids, I was constantly gate checking my 179 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: stroller and then standing around as you get off the 180 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: plane waiting for somebody to bring you the stroller. Often 181 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: it was like bent in half by the time it 182 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: got to you. This one, it is a one handed 183 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: click click, click, and you just throw it in the 184 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: overhead bin. So that makes it great. And because families 185 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: with young children get preboarding access, you'll have space in 186 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: the overhead bind you will have to fight for it. 187 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: The second thing that I love is actually something that 188 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: our nanny told me. She saw somebody in a park 189 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: with it and like we looked it up on Amazon 190 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: and ordered it. You know those now how baby food 191 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: can come in those pouches, which is great in terms 192 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: of travel because they're lightweight, they're not glass, you have 193 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: it on the go. But they're really difficult too, is 194 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: because they're squirting out, Like are you squirting it into 195 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: a cup and then feeding it from it? Just makes 196 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: a whole mess. There's actually Munchkin, the brand. Munchkin makes 197 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: these spoons that click on to the pouches, so then 198 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: you have in one hand everything you need to feed 199 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: the baby. So you can hold a baby on your lap, 200 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: squeeze the pouch, the food comes through the little tube 201 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: and out onto the spoon, and you can feed with 202 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: one hand, which is remarkable. Wow, I am so getting 203 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: that like net yea Farison Amazon as we speak. It 204 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: blew my mind. The other thing that I found, and 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: this one is really important if you're doing sort of 206 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: more adventurous travel with your kids. I don't ever sterilize 207 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: bottles at home. It's not something that I worry about, 208 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: and it's not something that doctors recommend. However, if you 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: are doing travel somewhere where you really are concerned about 210 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the quality of the water, there's something called Milton tablets. 211 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: They are made, marketed and sold in the UK that 212 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: you can order them on Amazon in the US, but 213 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: they will take a long time to get to you, 214 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: so it is worth planning ahead for that. And what 215 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: they are is cold water sterilizers, so you can like 216 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: we were on a remote island in Mexico where you know, 217 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted to be a little bit extra careful 218 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: with the bottles, and so we would wash the bottles 219 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: with soap and hot water. But then I would put 220 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: these into a plastic bag, drop in cold water, filled 221 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: up with cold water, drop in one of these sterilizing tablets. 222 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes later, everything is sterilized. You don't have to 223 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: rinse them again. They are done. They are ready to go. 224 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: And that is a huge thing for someone who's traveling 225 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: with a very young baby, where you might be a 226 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: little bit concerned about their stomach and the possibility of something, 227 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, bothering them, just a different you know, a 228 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: different thing in the water, the bacteria that they're not 229 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: used to. Wow. Also, it's like going backpacking or something 230 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: here your tablets. Yeah, but it really is. And it's 231 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: one of those things that I you know, I never 232 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: would have thought of. And it turns out it is 233 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: so standard in the UK that they actually sell them 234 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: in boots in heath or airports. So one of my 235 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: friend's mothers brought them to that from this trip. That's nice. 236 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: And in terms of keeping kids occupied on that I 237 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: mean for young kids, I mean, because that's when it's 238 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: really painful, being on the airplane with a child that's 239 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: under about three three and a half years old. What 240 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: have you found that is remotely helpful for that situation? 241 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had great a right there. You guys 242 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: have it, I say, I hate it like it is. 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: It is hard to keep a small child occupied until 244 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: the point that they can watch a movie or play 245 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: a game. It is. It is hard, hard work on 246 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: the parents on the parents' right. A mom who travels 247 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: a lot made a good recommendation to me that when 248 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: they get old enough so like toddler age where they 249 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: are playing a little bit with more toys, she buys 250 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: a couple of new small things and she wraps them 251 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: up in aluminum foil because just the process of unwrapping 252 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: them with the aluminum foil and the crinkle can be 253 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: really fun for a toddler, and I thought that was great. 254 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: But I honestly think that the biggest thing for flying 255 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: with children who are pre iPad age is like patience 256 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: and just try and adopt some sort of sense of 257 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: them and just push through like you will get there eventually. 258 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: But there is there is nothing that will that will 259 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: make it super easy. That's actually kind of a good 260 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: mindset in general. I mean, it's okay in life for 261 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: eight hours of life to suck. I mean it's going 262 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: to happen at some point in your life. It's going 263 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: to happen, and it will make you stronger in the end, 264 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: and you're seeing maybe it will increase their understanding of 265 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: the universe. So Handley, there's next sort of questions kind 266 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: of tie into each other because you have a family 267 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: of five now, which you may have noticed that many 268 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: hotels kind of max out with four. Yep ideas for 269 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: sort of bigger family travel like how to manage that, 270 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: and then also the question of whether you make your 271 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: group bigger by maybe bringing someone along rather like a 272 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: grandparent or aunt or you know, a caregiver to make 273 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the thing the time go easier. Yeah, it's true. The 274 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: change from four to five is large when it comes 275 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: to what you're going to have to book in a hotel. 276 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: There's a lot of hotels where you can get a 277 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: room that will fit four, whether it's two queen sized 278 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: beds or you know, a bed in a sofa bed. 279 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: Once you switch over to five when you still have 280 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: a baby, so if you're still talking, if you're fifth 281 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: person and is crib sized, you can often still make 282 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: it work. And I am trying to right now, but 283 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: as soon as that child becomes in need of a bed, 284 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: you really do switch over to needing two rooms. In 285 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: most cases, if you can bring someone with you to help, 286 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, a grandparent or a caregiver, then booking two 287 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: rooms can often it sort of works out. Well, we're 288 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: going to need two rooms anyhow, so then if grandma's 289 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: there too, then we also don't have to worry about 290 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: if those rooms are connecting, so maybe we can get 291 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: two of the least expensive rooms, and knowing that there's 292 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: an adult in each one also a little bit of 293 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: extra help to give mom and dad some break time 294 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: without having to hire a babysitter while they're on the road. 295 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it really is a problem when 296 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: you think about how much you're going to spend on 297 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: your hotel because if you like nice hotels, and I do, 298 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: it is suddenly the amount that you have to spend 299 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: a stay in them could easily double. So it also 300 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: is one of those things where I say, sometimes you 301 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: can look at the best hotel and there's second best 302 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: option that is a lot less expensive. Consider that at 303 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: least for a while. Yeah, do you advocate for like, 304 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: are there certain I don't know, alternative arrangements, Like have 305 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: you had good luck with airbnbs or certain you know, 306 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: places that sort of advertise more family friendly suites or 307 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, I think so. I like hotels 308 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: because one of the things I like when I'm traveling 309 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: is not having to worry about grocery shopping and who's 310 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: going to make breakfast and did we take out the garbage. 311 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: So I tend not to do apartment stays, even though 312 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a really good, solid argument for doing it. 313 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: So if you're willing to do a little bit of 314 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: that extra work, having a kitchen, you know, where you 315 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: can just pour out some cereo for your kid and 316 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: getting a little more space can be really really great. 317 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm just lazy, and I want to do it. But 318 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: that said, there are hotels that have apartment apartments that 319 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: are part of the hotels, so you can still have 320 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: the hotel service, but you do get a little bit 321 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: more space and you get that kitchen, which if you're 322 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: spending a little bit more on the hotel but you 323 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: have the kitchen, then that can help bring down your 324 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: costs in other ways. So I try to balance it 325 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: out like that. Yeah, we stayed in a place in 326 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: Hawaii with to Olani that's Disney resort there that all 327 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: the a lot of the hotel rooms had the kitchen 328 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: in it, and you know, you still wound up eating 329 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: out for like lunch and dinner, but then you could 330 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: have leftovers for breakfast, for instance, just in your hotel room, 331 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: and that was kind of nice. Yeah, And I think, 332 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: particularly depending on where you're traveling in Hawaii that you've 333 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: got jet lag, the kids are going to wake up 334 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: at weird hours and they may be hungry at weird hours, 335 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: and so to have a kitchen have and actually this 336 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: is something I'd advise, even if you don't have a kitchen, 337 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: keep some snacks on hand because anytime that there's jet lag, 338 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: if there's somebody who's begging for breakfast at three o'clock 339 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: in the morning. If you can throw something at them, 340 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: they might be likely to go back to sleep versus 341 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, being hungry and sort of awake and at 342 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: the wrong hours. Yeah, and I will say that now, 343 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: with all those online grocery delivery services, if you do 344 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: a little planning ahead, you might not even have to 345 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: do that much extra work. You could just arrive there 346 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: and have people drop off your stuff and then go 347 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: on your way. Yes, yes, that stuff like that can 348 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: help to just looking up local services that can sort 349 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: of help you with your pre stocking so that you're 350 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: not running to the closest horsery store yourself. So, Henley, 351 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: I am still I haven't even planned President's Day. This 352 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: is probably gonna run maybe right around that at the time, 353 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: but to thinking of doing something, but well also thinking 354 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: of trying to figure out spring break in late March. 355 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: I may or may not bring the three year old, 356 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: that's unclear, But then so the three kids that would 357 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: be involved would be the ten, eight and six year old. 358 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: I'm curious your top destinations, like, as you've roamed the world, 359 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: are are there surprisingly family friendly places that you would recommend. 360 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: I think my theory is kind of anywhere it can 361 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: be family friendly if you think about it the right way. 362 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: A lot of people tend to default to the Caribbean 363 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: kind of beach resort, Florida, stuff like that, because it's 364 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: very easy with kids. I think once you get to 365 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: the age of six, eight and ten, there's a lot 366 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: more that you can start doing with them. And in 367 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: this winter, particularly, a lot of the Caribbean is not 368 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: is not a possibility because of the hurricanes that really 369 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: devastated so many islands last fall. So because of that, 370 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: and then also because of concerns about Zeca. For anyone 371 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: who is considering more children, people I think are pushing 372 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: the boundaries a little bit. We've seen I actually did 373 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: this myself for spring break last year. We went to Morocco. 374 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: It is a six hour flight. It is like as 375 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: easy as going to California, but it is culturally very different. 376 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: It's it was an amazing place to show the kids. 377 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: Were there were something for the kids everywhere, something for 378 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: them to see, something for them to do. The food 379 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: was easy for them to eat. The hotels were beautiful 380 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: and less expensive, and that was something that you know, 381 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: it sounds like a big adventure. But ever since I went, 382 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: we've seen more and more families doing it. Because if 383 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: you feel like somebody sort of pre scouted it for you, 384 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: you can take that plunge and it really is going 385 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: to be something that seems incredibly different than what you're 386 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: doing at home. Yes, I would say Morocco is whatever. Yeah, 387 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: that was an That's a really new one I have 388 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: never did. I want to hear from you. I mean, 389 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: we've seen so many families do because we're an agency, 390 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: so we helped plan these trips for people, and the 391 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: number of requests we've had for Morocco has really gone 392 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: through the roof this year, and I think it is 393 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: in part due to the fact that people are saying, well, 394 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: if I can't do my normal Caribbean vacation because the 395 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: resort is still being rebuilt, what could I do that 396 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: would be different? And my kids are ready for an adventure. 397 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: But I don't want to do a really long flight 398 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: to somewhere, you know, I don't want to have a 399 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: lot of jet lag. And that's something that can be 400 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: really simple. Latin America is the same thing. Tons of 401 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: people going to Costa Rica and Nicaragua, Laura. I know 402 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: you guys did Nicaragua a few years ago. Like that 403 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: is a place that has really come up where people 404 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: are again are saying, I want the beach and I 405 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: want it to be warm, but I also want to 406 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: do something that's beyond just sitting there by the pool 407 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: all day. I want a little bit of adventure. And 408 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: once your kids are at that sort of above age five, 409 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: there's so much for them to choose from. All right, 410 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm ready to detail down. Okay, Marac goes. If you 411 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: are going to do like a Europe trip with young kids, 412 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, so the obvious when I was thinking about 413 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: is London, just because the language, like they can speak it, 414 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: and the food is relatively similar and such a kid 415 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: friendly story. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm ready that down. 416 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: Anywhere else you'd throw out there in Europe? Yeah, so London. 417 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: London is a great first stop because the flight is easy, 418 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: the language is easy, the food is easy, and there 419 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: are parks everywhere. I mean, there's there's a point where 420 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: your child is getting bored of something, there's going to 421 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: be a park around the corner. So it's very easy 422 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: place to sort of have your sort of culture time 423 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: and have your downtime, and there's also great countryside that 424 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: you can explore outside of it, so without taking another flight, 425 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: you can have two different experiences to the city and 426 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: the country. Paris is harder with kids in certain ways, 427 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: but I was really surprised the first time I took 428 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: my daughter there. She was five years old, and I 429 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: was surprised. Although there aren't as many parks, it's not 430 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: as green as city as London. There are playgrounds everywhere, 431 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: including by the way on the side of Notre Dame, 432 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: where there are always horrendous lines, so you can have 433 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: one parent in line waiting to get into Notre Dame 434 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: and the other one on the side of the cathedral. 435 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: There's a playground and part of the Notre Dame ground, 436 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: so there are things things like that. I think though, 437 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: that another that Barcelona is actually a city that is 438 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: probably tied for me with with London as being super 439 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: kid friendly, and that it is easy to walk, very 440 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: very welcoming to kids in almost any restaurant. Food is 441 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Spanish food is easy for most children to eat. It's 442 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of simple stuff, so that is one that 443 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: I might put sort of above Paris, even though I 444 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: do really really like Paris for kids, but it's an again, 445 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: an easy first stop, and there are trains, so if 446 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: you want to combine a Barcelona in Madrid, you can 447 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: do a fast train in between. You don't have to 448 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: shlup back to the airport. Nice. All right, these are 449 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: all great ideas. And obviously Italy, oh my gosh, the 450 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: land of Pizza, and they might actually go for that. 451 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: I was I'm pondering that that could work. Yeah, how 452 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: about well before how about domestically, because you mentioned we 453 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: have Morocco of Latin America, we have Europe. Do you 454 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: have a favorite? I don't know. Obviously many places are 455 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: kid friendly in the US, but in your memory some 456 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: are really fun and exciting that you've done recently. Yeah. 457 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: I like places that, when it comes to kids, that 458 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: are walkable. So as much as La is a wonderful 459 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: city to visit with kids, I think that it's it's 460 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: hard to be in certain parts of the city. Although 461 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: uber is so pervasive now that it's easy to get around, 462 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: but not if you need a car seat. So for La, 463 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: I actually recommend doing more like Santa Monica and Venice 464 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: West La because it puts you you're right on the beach. 465 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: You actually can walk around those neighborhoods. You have great shopping, 466 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: great eating, and then you just use a car when 467 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: you're going in to you know, to go into Hollywood 468 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: and do a little bit more tours. Francisco is a blast. 469 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: The one thing to know is if your child is 470 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: stroller age, it is hard to put strollers up and 471 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: down those hills, so oh my gosh. Yeah, it is 472 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: something that's maybe maybe for a little bit older. And 473 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: you can do Alcatraz and again an easy combination because 474 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: I love places where you can get more than one 475 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: thing out of a week without having to get on 476 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: a plane. An easy combination is to do a little 477 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: bit of San Francisco and then also do some time 478 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: down in the Carmel area. The Monterey Aquarium is phenomenal 479 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: and is a really easy thing to add on. One 480 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: thing to note about that is you should buy your 481 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: tickets for a Monterey Aquarium ahead because they sell out, 482 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: so that's don't you don't want to mess that one up. 483 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: And then Florida for someone who wants something that's just 484 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: simple and easy and still warm, Miami is incredible. There's 485 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating art scene, Windwood has the Windwood Walls, which 486 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: are huge, huge murals done digraffiti artists that come from 487 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: around the world. This is the kind of art kids, 488 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: even little kids, can really get into because it's big, colorful. 489 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: You know, we're broadcas testing live from Miami Beach. I 490 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: feel so cool. Yes, that's our backyard. Wind Wood is awesome. 491 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: I agree, it's incredible. I think people have or a 492 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: lot of families at least, have written off Miami as 493 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: being Oh, it's too much of a party scene. But 494 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: it is such a great place to be with kids. 495 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: And again, depending on where you're staying, there's a lot 496 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: that's walkable that you can do, restaurants, you can do shopping, 497 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: you can do Beach really without ever getting into car, 498 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: and just use a car when you want to pop 499 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: over to something like wind would. So I'm a huge 500 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Miami fan. Well there it goes. Sarah, is awesome. You 501 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: have found the place to be Henley in terms of 502 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: the the obvious stuff people think about for family travel, 503 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: like in terms of theme parks and cruises. Are you 504 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: are you totally not into that or is that? Well, 505 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: in the past year, I have done both Atlantis and Disney, 506 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: so I got my toe into it, and I think, 507 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: like with everything else, it's all about planning. So don't 508 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: you know there are tactics to use at each of them. 509 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: I just did Atlantis a couple weekends ago, and what 510 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: we did is we stayed at a hotel that was 511 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: on Paradise Island where Atlantis is, but we weren't actually 512 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: in the Atlantis complex. And that was really nice because 513 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: we go over and we could do it, but then 514 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: we could also step away from it and stay somewhere 515 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: a little bit quieter, and we had a blast. I 516 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: loved it. I loved the water slides. It was so 517 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: so fun. Disney was a little bit harder on me. 518 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: I did not love Disney as much, but it was 519 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: special for the kids. And I think the key there 520 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: is just understanding their app system is very helpful with 521 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: their fast passes, and doing a little bit of research 522 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: and planning before you go about how to make the 523 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: best use of sort of the perks that you get 524 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: immediately just by buying a Disney ticket will help your 525 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: day run a little bit more smoothly. Have you done 526 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: cruises or I have not done a cruise. I know 527 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: a lot of families really love it though, just because 528 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: of again, you can go and do different things without 529 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: getting on air plane and in this case not even 530 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: packing or unpacking. And there are places that, for example, Alaska, 531 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: it's it's best done from a boat. Yeah, yeah, And 532 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the other thing that people always 533 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: think about too is like those all inclusive resort type things. 534 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that's I think be careful 535 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: with all inclusive resorts that some are very good and 536 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: some are not. And one of the things to always 537 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: look at is the pricing of them. We as parents 538 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: often think, well, if it's all inclusive, it's so nice 539 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: because they don't have to worry if my kid eats 540 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: a piece of a bagel and throws it away. The 541 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: fact is sometimes they are priced so high that actually 542 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: your kid could throw half bagels away all day and 543 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: you probably would still never spend that much money. Plus, 544 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of resorts have kids menus or kids eat 545 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: free under a certain age. So do your research before 546 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: you commit to an all inclusive situation, because, particularly if 547 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: you're going somewhere where you want to be able to 548 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: experience a little bit of the local culture, being in 549 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: an all inclusive is really good. Discourage you from getting 550 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: out and about. So, for example, in Mexico, like I 551 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: love getting out and doing things and seeing things and 552 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: meeting people and eating at more local spots. That that 553 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: is what Mexico is all about. If you're in an 554 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: all inclusive you're really going to be less inclined to 555 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah. So, speaking of all that you talked about, 556 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: all this research and all that, a lot of people 557 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: in this in this day and age, you know, feel like, well, 558 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: obviously I can book on my travel myself, I can 559 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: look into all this this stuff. There's so much on 560 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: the internet and the availability of those tools. Why why 561 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: should someone you know, consider working with people like you 562 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: and with you know, various people are in the travel 563 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: industry and what can you guys do that we can't. Yeah, 564 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: I think agencies are really seeing a big comeback right now. 565 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: I think we're all a little bit underwater because there 566 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: seems to be so much interest in and having some 567 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: help when it comes to planning your trip. And there's 568 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people who specialize in different kinds of 569 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: travel or different places. So for example, there are people 570 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: who all they do is book cruises, and they know 571 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: cruises like nobody's business. To talk to someone who has 572 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: been to that hotel, or on that boat, or stayed 573 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: in that theme park or tried out that guide is 574 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: very different than what you're going to get from just 575 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: googling around online. I do that myself too, but even 576 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: I will we'll call local people or talk to other 577 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: friends in the industry when I'm going somewhere new to 578 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: get their all of their intel. I think preparing, Let's 579 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: face it, vacation is expensive. Preparing and making sure you've 580 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: done your research and had the right person helping you 581 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: means you get more out of it, and I'm all 582 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: in favor of anything that says better value for our money. 583 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: The other thing to know is that depending on what 584 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: kinds of travel you're doing, if you are staying in 585 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: a luxury hotel, travel agents actually can get you better, 586 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: better perks than you would get on your own. So 587 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: if you're going for the budget stuff, then actually online 588 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: is where you're going to find the best rates, and 589 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: that's definitely what you should be booking. Be aware of. 590 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: You know what's what's on there, look into the different 591 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: packages and buy that. If you're going high end, agents 592 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: are going to be able to get you the room upgrades, 593 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: the resort credits, the free breakfast, and that kind of 594 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: stuff that we'll stretch your budget a little bit. In 595 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: terms of you say, you you google around a lot 596 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: to find something, but what do you look at? I'm like, 597 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: what do you find as a reliable source that I'm 598 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: a big fan of eaters lists for restaurants, so that 599 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: is that is usually my first stop when I'm trying 600 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: to figure out where I'm going to eat somewhere. Is 601 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: I look at eater because they have They've done a 602 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: really good job of expanding around the world, and I 603 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: mean everywhere from Hong Kong to Paris. You know, you 604 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: can find something as well as San Francisco or even 605 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: New York. When I want to figure out where I'm 606 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: going to go out for the night, I look at 607 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: their list to see where are people eating right now? 608 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: What are the essential restaurants to know about? I look 609 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: at a company called Context Travel. They have guides now 610 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: almost everywhere around the world, domestic and abroad, where they 611 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: do really great tours. They can do them in small 612 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: groups or privately. So if I'm not totally sure what 613 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: to do in a certain place, I'll go and I'll 614 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: look and I'll see what their their tours show, and 615 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: that will usually help me figure out what neighborhoods are helpful. 616 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: And then I really like their guides and I tend 617 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: to use them myself as well as for clients in 618 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: terms of sort of getting a little bit of an 619 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: intro to a city. You know. It's interesting. It's almost 620 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: like the availability of online resources has become so vast 621 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: that I wonder if that's part of what has escalated 622 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: people's interests in an expert, because it's too much for 623 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: any one person to sift through. And also the fact 624 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: that there are so many more sort of sponsored posts 625 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: where you can't tell whether it's someone's real opinion that 626 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: makes me want to run to you, you know, or 627 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: someone like you who has this, you know, actual experience 628 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: with these places or experience of other clients with these 629 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: places that can give you an unbiased answer then compared 630 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: to something that you just read online. An unbiased answer 631 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: and a filter. I think a filter is the biggest 632 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: because if you just were to google around and our 633 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: best hotels Miami, you're going to get an endless list. 634 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: If you talk to somebody who really knows that if 635 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: you talk to you in Miami, you're going to be 636 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: able to say, oh no, no no, no, no, no, yeah that, 637 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: but you're staying in this part and it's going to 638 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: be far to get to the beachure the traffic's bad there, 639 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: or this place has a really loud night club, so 640 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: be careful about that. Those are the kinds of things 641 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: that we need to know because it filters it for us. 642 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: And I think with so much information online, although it's 643 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: helpful and we can dig and do some research, it's 644 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: all so good to have a filter. Sara, do you 645 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: have any other questions? I think those are the that 646 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: was a lot that was super help Oh yes, no, 647 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: I did have one that we had talked about. So. 648 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: I have experienced travel with kids in two very different ways. 649 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: One we sort of mentioned this like bring another caregiver 650 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: or not? Do you have experience or recommendations for how 651 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: it can work well when you bring a nanny or 652 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: other babysitter with you, Like do you give them time 653 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: days off? Do you you know, negotiate what you're going 654 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: to do, how you're going to use their services in advance. 655 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: And I will say that in my experience, I will 656 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: gladly cut corners in other areas of a trip to 657 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: have some help, because to me, that's what can turn 658 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: it from a trip to a vacation. So I wanted 659 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: to know if you had thoughts on Yeah, I agree 660 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. If you can bring a caregiver with you, 661 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: it changes everything. I do think that it's important ahead 662 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: of time. This is this is a person. This is 663 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: not their vacation. This is she is working. He or 664 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: she is actually on the job. So before you go 665 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: on that trip, they should know what are the working hours, 666 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: what is the downtime, what's included, and you as a 667 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: family should discuss, well, you know, is she eating dinner 668 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: with us or do we want to have a little 669 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: bit of family time and also give her a little 670 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: bit of downtime. What are the expectations throughout the day. 671 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: But I do think it's important to remember that it's 672 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: not a vacation for her, so you have to really 673 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: treat it as such and make sure that you're allowing 674 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: that person to get a little bit of rest and 675 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: that you're compensating them for the extra time that they're 676 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: spending away from their family. I think if you aren't 677 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: traveling with a caregiver, and you're hiring babysitters. The way 678 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: that I would recommend is I usually go through the 679 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: hotel because that way there's a little bit of vetting, 680 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: so you know that it's somebody who's coming through a 681 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: hotel that works at that hotel. They've checked this person, 682 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: they approve of this person, and so if you can't 683 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: bring somebody using your hotel to help you do it, 684 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: we'll make that work better. Great point. Well, we always 685 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: do our love of the Week section at the end 686 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: of our interviews, so we're hoping we can keep you 687 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: on the line for a few more minutes to do this. 688 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely shared something that we have loved in the past, 689 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: are loving now to be an app a thing, or 690 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: just something in general. So, Sarah, what's yours this week? Mine? 691 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: I was going to share my favorite vacation I took 692 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: when my kids were little, and that was a trip 693 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: to santabel Island when they were I think eight months 694 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: and two and a half. And I guess my level 695 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: of the week is going low key and bringing a caregiver. 696 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: That's kind of what we just talked about, but for us, 697 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: that's within driving distance. We rented a non extravagant kind 698 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: of cabin. And you know, we obviously paid our nanny 699 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: more than she would have gotten paid should she have 700 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: just worked a regular week. But that was what made 701 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: that trip so nice because we got to have time 702 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: with the kids and then we got to also have 703 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: adult time going out for dinner. And when you have 704 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: a three year old or two and a half year 705 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: old and eight month old, really any of that time 706 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: together feels like a vacation, like if you have it 707 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter where you are. So I guess that's 708 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: just a shout out for going low key but making 709 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: sure you have adequate help when your kids are really little. Yeah, 710 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: I mean I would say related, I I have a 711 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: different level of the week, right my pile onto that 712 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: is that if you do actually have a wide spread 713 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: of ages with your kids. What we have done is 714 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: left the littlest one at home with the caregiver and 715 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: then taken a short trip with the older kids, because 716 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: that way you can do stuff that would have been 717 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: a lot more painful with a little one. So when 718 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: we went to Hawaii, for instance, I mean I had 719 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: offered ar nanny if she wanted to come with us 720 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: with the little one, she could, and she was kind 721 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: of like I would prefer not to be on the 722 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: plane with your child for twelve hour ten hours, So 723 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: it's like, all right, point taken, even if you're getting 724 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: a trip to Hawaiiyah to this. So she she stayed 725 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: with him and the big kids and it was it 726 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: was there was still you know, it's not easy being 727 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: on a plane for twelve hours with anyone, but it 728 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: was certainly a lot more doable than it would have 729 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: been with him. So throwing that out as an idea 730 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: as well. But my specific love of the week was 731 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: was was Travelocity. And I do love using agents and 732 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: I've used like, you know, Disney specific ones because they're 733 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: willing to like watch for when the Cinderella thing comes open, 734 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: because someone's careful. But uhilacity, I you know, you can 735 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: now check like I was. You know, somebody was asking 736 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: me if I could do a speech in Salt Lake 737 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: City like right after one that I'm in Toronto, and 738 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: I now know that there are direct flights when they 739 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: leave right and in the past that would have been 740 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: really hard to figure around. So I'll throw that out 741 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: there as a small business owner that it is kind 742 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: of nice to be able to check stuff like that. 743 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: All right, Henley, how about you? So my love of 744 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: the week is actually about traveling without your children. It's 745 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: the staycation, which is I think one of the best 746 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: ways that you can get in a little time and 747 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: you don't actually have to go anywhere. We just did one, 748 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: after all this travel we've been doing with the kids. 749 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: We just checked into a hotel that was four blocks 750 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: away from our house. We walked there with the suitcase, 751 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: and we ate dinner there and hung out and had, 752 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, forgot what time it was, didn't have to 753 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: worry about bottles and bedtime and baths and books and 754 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and then walked home the next 755 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: morning and it felt like I have been away for 756 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: a week. So my love of the week is carving 757 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: out those little bits of travel time that actually take 758 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: almost no complications in your life and still let you 759 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: have a little bit of feeling like an adult. So 760 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: very cool. I would totally do. Yeah, Well, be sure 761 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: to visit Henley Vazquez online. She's at passported dot com 762 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: and you can see what she offers and the various 763 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: reviews she has will be a lot helpful for our 764 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: listeners who are planning their trips. So thank you so much, Henley. 765 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: Thank you guys both. And that brings us to our 766 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: Q and a segment not related to travel, but still 767 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: we thought a really interesting question to tackle. This one 768 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: comes from a someone who wrote into Laura and they wrote, 769 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: I love your podcast, Thank you. I'm the mother of 770 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: sixteen month old twins and then the primary breadwinner for 771 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: our household. Here's my dilemma. My husband was a stay 772 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: at home dad for the first year of our kids' lives, 773 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: and he did such a great job. Now he's back 774 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: to work three days a week as a psychotherapist, and 775 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: he just told me he wants to start another day 776 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: a week. My problem is that he's not making enough 777 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: money in a month to pay for a week of daycare, 778 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: let alone the entire month, so the extra day will 779 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: cost more for daycare. The hope is that maybe eventually 780 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: he will have enough clients to fill that day. I 781 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: know on your daycare podcast, you mentioned that going back 782 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: to work as an investment in your future, but how 783 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: do you finance it in the short term? For example, 784 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: how do you make the calculation as to how much 785 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: spouse is making versus daycare costs? They talk about the 786 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: daycare that they're using, that it's right near their house 787 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: and it's pretty good and it's reasonably priced, and that 788 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: the dad can check from his office on the kids. 789 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: And by the way, I will mention that this Questionnaer 790 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: wrote that she got inspired by Laura's book. I know 791 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: how she does it can bridge the question. It's like, No, 792 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: that's important because you want to remind people that there 793 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: are some great resources out there. But no, we thought 794 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: this was a great question, especially since we've had similar 795 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: questions with the genders reversed, and so we wanted to 796 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: sort of check some of our biases at the door. Laura, 797 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I'll let you take this one. Yeah. No, it's funny 798 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: because I did. I noticed I had the certain vies, 799 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: Like I could see it from her perspective, in the 800 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: sense that like she had a good thing going right, 801 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: Like her husband was home with the kids, so she 802 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: wasn't paying for daycare, so he was probably doing a 803 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that was around the house too. 804 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: And then he goes back to work and she loses 805 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: some of that. And not only that, the daycare costs 806 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: are coming out of her salary because he's not earning 807 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: enough yet to cover it, and so you can understand 808 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: from her perspective the frustration. But then I also realized, like, well, 809 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: I would you know, if I've heard this question from 810 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: a man whose wife had been home with their kids 811 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: and who wanted to get back to work, I would 812 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: have been very probably straightforward of saying, well, you know, 813 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: she wants to do this. I think if you know, 814 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: if you want to keep the marriage happy, like you 815 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: need to acknowledge that they're startup costs for going back 816 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: to anything, right, And you can't expect somebody who's coming 817 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: back from time out of the workforce to necessarily earn 818 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: as much as they would as if they'd been in 819 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: the whole time. And particularly if some building up a practice, 820 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: there's going to be times where the money may not 821 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: be coming in as much as you want in the beginning. 822 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: And I know this from my own life too, not 823 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: that I've had time out of the workforce, but I 824 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: made the decisions shortly after becoming a parent to sort 825 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: of focus more of my efforts on book writing, and 826 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: books don't necessarily pay all that well right out of 827 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: the gate. You getting a contract for one, takes time 828 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: getting an advance, you know, even if it's a pretty 829 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: good advance. You're only going to get a small chunk 830 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: of that on signing the contract, Like more comes over 831 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: the next two or three years as it comes out. 832 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: So it's a big investment. And you know, I stopped 833 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: writing as many articles, which were what I've been doing before, 834 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: and my income pretty much dropped by half when I 835 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: made that decision. Now it came back, and I have 836 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: booked enough work by the time we were recording this 837 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: on January twenty four, whatever it is to have my 838 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: best year ever, and that stuff I've booked by January 839 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: twenty four. So it was a good decision monetarily, but 840 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: it did require that my husband was okay with saying like, oh, well, 841 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: you know it's okay that you're not making enough to 842 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: cover the salary of a full time nanny when you 843 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: subtract taxes, that it's okay that you are still working. 844 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: If he'd put it that way, I probably would have 845 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: been a bit offended. But there is still that said 846 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: that I do believe childcare is a shared expense. So 847 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: I think one thing that this woman can help he 848 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: hermind sat is that we're both starting from wanting to 849 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: be at work, like leave a side that he wasn't 850 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: in the workforce for a while. As your default, you 851 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: both want to be at work. Whatever the cost of 852 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: daycare is for your girls, it is a shared expense. 853 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: If you only assign half of that cost to what 854 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: he is earning, does that make it better? Right? Does 855 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: that make the economics sound better? I think that's one 856 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: first thing you need to do and then the other thing. 857 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: And you were probably going to get to this too, 858 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: But like, remember that day care is not forever, so 859 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: those expenses are absolutely transient. Yes, there are going to 860 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: be other expenses as they enter school, and school does 861 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: not cover you know, full office hours. But you know, 862 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: first of all, the husband may have a bit of 863 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: flexibility there, so maybe he can tailor it to more 864 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: fit school hours once they do have those number of 865 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: hours out of the home. And number two, it probably 866 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: isn't going to rai as much as full time daycare 867 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: for two toddlers. So really looking at it as much 868 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: more of a long term investment in happiness and career 869 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: and less crunching than numbers. Because this reader is very 870 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: focused on you know, how do you calculate? I think 871 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: you should stop calculating and be like, if you can 872 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: do this, you should, Yeah, I mean, if they don't 873 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: have money to live on the right, well that's the 874 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 1: if you can. Maybe they can't can't, then that's another story. 875 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: Although that I mean, I would say again, if somebody 876 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: is starting a business, you often understand that there are 877 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: costs associated and sometimes people spend more more than they're 878 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 1: taking in for a bit of time as they're starting 879 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: a business, and you might look at it from the 880 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: perspective of setting it might help her because she is 881 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: focused on these numbers to sort of set a timeline 882 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: for when he hopes to be, you know, at making 883 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: a certain amount of money that she feels would be 884 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: a break even point or then a bit beyond the 885 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: break even point, and what would that point be, and 886 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: they could evaluate toward that point, like let's say we 887 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: were going to give this a year that we're paying 888 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: for four days of daycare, with the goal being that 889 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: by the end of the year you have enough clients 890 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: to make that number, and we will evaluate how it's 891 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: going at let you know, six months and twelve months. 892 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: Although you got to be careful with that because this 893 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: is your spouse, right, This is not somebody who reports 894 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: to you that you're trying to you know, have make 895 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: their numbers right. But maybe if reality dictates that you 896 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: do need a deadline, like for example, like you said, 897 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: like we're going to run out of money, figure out 898 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: how long it would take you to quote unquote run 899 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: out of money. And then it's not that you're doing 900 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: it out of cold hearted business, you know acuum, and 901 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: it's it's really like in reality, we have until this 902 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: time to figure out if this works, and then otherwise 903 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: we have to reassess. But I like the deadline concept. 904 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: But you're right, it's a little different than you're than 905 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: a business deal. Yeah, but if you do that, then 906 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: I think that will keep in her mind that this 907 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: this sort of pain of paying extra for childcare when 908 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: it's not yet coming in is a temporary situation. And 909 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, maybe there are some other places that they 910 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: can economize in their lives. There's always, you know, some 911 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: place that you can maybe be a little bit more 912 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: judicious and spending if this is a family priority, and 913 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: then set the deadline that that will that will help 914 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: them get toward that. Well, this has been best of 915 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: both worlds. We have been talking travel and then a 916 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: stay at home dad getting back into the workforce, so 917 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: tune in next week when we will be back with 918 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: more on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. 919 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 920 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 921 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 922 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 923 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.