WEBVTT - Combee Critters

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<v Speaker 1>It's eighteen eighty one. Captain J. Francis le Baron of

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers is surveying Central Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>As he travels up the Peace River in Polk County,

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<v Speaker 1>he finds something fossils, tons of them along the sandy

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<v Speaker 1>banks of the Peace River, giant shark, teethed whale skulls,

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<v Speaker 1>and prehistoric mastadon bones. Captain le Baron collects nine barrels

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<v Speaker 1>worth of fossils and has them shipped off to a

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<v Speaker 1>professor at the Smithsonian Institution. A few years later, Captain

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<v Speaker 1>le Baron returns to the region. As he's digging through

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<v Speaker 1>the sandbars of the Peace River amongst the bones from

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<v Speaker 1>millions of years ago, he makes another discovery. All the bones,

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<v Speaker 1>all the decomposition had left Central Florida rich in phosphate,

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<v Speaker 1>a mineral left over from the creatures that lived and

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<v Speaker 1>died in an around the ancient sea that once covered Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>and phosphate, it turns out, is a valuable ingredient for

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<v Speaker 1>making fertilizer. They called it white gold. There's interest in

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<v Speaker 1>the fossils, but palaeontologists don't get the chance to dig

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<v Speaker 1>because the mining companies get there first. Soon, Polk County

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<v Speaker 1>became the self proclaimed phosphate capital of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>the area was producing three quarters of the nation's supply.

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<v Speaker 1>By the late nineteenth century. Railroad tracks had sprung out

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<v Speaker 1>in every direction across the region, which helped move all

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<v Speaker 1>that phosphate. There was a lot of work and not

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<v Speaker 1>enough workers to get the job done, so phosphate companies

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<v Speaker 1>paid a fee to the state of Florida in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for prisoners to fill the labor shortage. Black men arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for petty crimes were forced to dig ditches and push wheelbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Was full of white rock while underguard. It had become

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<v Speaker 1>a new form of slavery.

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<v Speaker 2>This song that called Shove it Over, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>line in rhythm, pretty generally distributed all over Florida. It

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<v Speaker 2>was sung to me by Charlie Jones on railroad construction

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<v Speaker 2>camp near Lakeland, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Zora Neil Hurston, the novelist who became a

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<v Speaker 1>central figure in the African American cultural revival of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties and thirties known as the Harlem Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get in a land noise, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>spread the news about the Florida Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurston grew up in central Florida, and in nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven she moved to Polk County to collect and record

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<v Speaker 1>stories and work songs from Black Southerners, songs that were

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<v Speaker 1>down from generations. Some of the workers who taught Hurston

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<v Speaker 1>these songs were setting down railroad tracks and working in

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<v Speaker 1>the mines to move phosphate. Hurston described these men who

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<v Speaker 1>worked long, hard hours in Polk County in her memoir

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<v Speaker 1>dust tracks on a road they go down in the

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<v Speaker 1>phosphate mines, Hurston wrote, and bring up the wet dust

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<v Speaker 1>of the bones of prehistoric monsters to make rich land

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<v Speaker 1>in far places so that people can eat. But all

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<v Speaker 1>of it is not dust. Huge ribs twenty feet from

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<v Speaker 1>belly to backbone, some old time sea monster caught in

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<v Speaker 1>the shallows, shark teeth as wide as the hand of

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<v Speaker 1>a working man. It was these fossils tossed to the

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<v Speaker 1>side by mining operations that gave this region its new

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<v Speaker 1>name Bone Valley. As the decades passed, phosphate mining evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of convict with shovels, they started using dragline machines

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<v Speaker 1>like the one operated by Michelle Schofield's father, David's Palm.

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<v Speaker 1>These giant machines excavate the top soil and produce towering

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred foot mountains of white sand called gypsum stacks

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<v Speaker 1>that loom over the Polk County horizon. By the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the mines in northern Polk County shut down

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<v Speaker 1>after depleting the soil of its phosphate, and mining operations

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<v Speaker 1>moved further south, but you can still see the scars

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<v Speaker 1>the industry left behind. The mined out areas were left

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<v Speaker 1>to be reclaimed by nature. Dense vegetation grew around these

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<v Speaker 1>deep mining pits that filled with water, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you see these long, narrow bodies of water in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones in North Lakeland where Leo, his dad

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<v Speaker 1>and friends continue their search from Michelle Schofield.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you my maness, I have to have my feet

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<v Speaker 3>saw rule deps sarrangleists in this vallyity.

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<v Speaker 4>I see relation about a breach das rash to the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's holding the stars to the warm solding.

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<v Speaker 1>Store Bone Valley Chapter two comby Critters. It's been almost

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours since Michelle went missing. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>sign of her until one of Leo's friends saw the

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<v Speaker 1>orange Mazda just off the eastbound side of I four,

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<v Speaker 1>a major highway that runs through Polk County and connects

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa and Orlando.

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<v Speaker 5>Now a new wave of panic washes.

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<v Speaker 1>Over Leo as he and his father's speed to where

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<v Speaker 1>the Mazda was seen. A few of Leo's friends and

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle's dad followed them there.

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<v Speaker 6>We get to the car, We find the car. Obviously

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't touch the car. I didn't want anybody to

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<v Speaker 6>touch the car. And we looked at it. We had flashlights,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, obviously it was mine.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no sign of Michelle. It's nearly midnight. Leo

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<v Speaker 1>knows he needs to call the sheriff to get someone

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<v Speaker 1>out here and quick. The car is right by the

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<v Speaker 1>Polk City exit ramp on a rural stretch of the interstate.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't even know where I was at. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I wasn't lost, but I've never been in this area.

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<v Speaker 6>So I went up on the embankment. I climbed the embankment,

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<v Speaker 6>got up on the road, and you couldn't see a

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<v Speaker 6>store from the highway, but I went up anyway to

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<v Speaker 6>look and when I get up to that overpass and

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<v Speaker 6>walked just a few feet up behind a tree line.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a store up there, and there was a

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<v Speaker 6>pay phone, so I went over there and I made

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<v Speaker 6>a call to the Sheriff's department, and I told them

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<v Speaker 6>that I told him who I was, told him where

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<v Speaker 6>I was, and that we had found the car on

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<v Speaker 6>the side of the road. They asked me if I

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<v Speaker 6>was going to take it home. I said, you're apparently

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<v Speaker 6>not understanding who I am. My wife is still missing.

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<v Speaker 6>I found her car, I did not find her. I

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<v Speaker 6>need some help. I'm expecting we'll be right there, mister Scofield,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean. And Batman shows up and

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<v Speaker 6>everything gets fixed and stuff, and it didn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally deputies arrive and the crime scene unit is called in.

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<v Speaker 1>They start inspecting the car. Some stereo equipment in the

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<v Speaker 1>Mazda is missing. Leo doesn't want to waste any more time.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to start searching the area for Michelle.

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<v Speaker 6>I told the detective Russell, I'm going to be out

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<v Speaker 6>here in the ditches and in the medium and of

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<v Speaker 6>vye for looking for anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But the deputy tells Leo to wait because they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to fly a helicopter over the area at sunrise. So

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<v Speaker 1>Leo and the rest of the search party a few

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<v Speaker 1>hours sleep before.

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<v Speaker 5>Meeting up again.

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<v Speaker 6>I literally am there at daybreak, and so the plan

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<v Speaker 6>was to search I four.

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<v Speaker 1>They search both sides of the highway, including the Median. Leo,

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<v Speaker 1>his dad, his friends, and Michelle's family cover the six

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<v Speaker 1>plus miles of I four until they reached the exit

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<v Speaker 1>for State Road thirty three. There's no sign of Michelle.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody that we knew from nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Michelle McCluskey. She's Michelle Schofield's best friend. It's

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<v Speaker 1>mid morning now. When they come on to State Road

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, which connects I four, the highway where the

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<v Speaker 1>car was found to Cumby Road, which was Michelle's last

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<v Speaker 1>known location, they decide to split up. Leo's father will

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<v Speaker 1>start searching one end of State Road thirty three. Leo

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<v Speaker 1>and Michelle McCluskey will start at the other end of

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<v Speaker 1>State Road thirty three, and they play to meet Leo

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<v Speaker 1>Senior somewhere in the middle. So Leo and Michelle McCluskey

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<v Speaker 1>jump into her boyfriend's pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just terrified and just really focused on really

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<v Speaker 7>trying to find her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slow searching. They walk a stretch of the road,

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<v Speaker 1>get back in the truck, pull up a bit, get

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<v Speaker 1>out and search again.

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<v Speaker 6>One Michelle McCluskey and I were looking in one particular area.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a sheriff's car that went by real fast,

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<v Speaker 6>headed down thirty three toward where my father was looking,

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<v Speaker 6>and the second car went by. I said, I'm following this.

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<v Speaker 6>Something's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo jumps in the pickup with Michelle McCluskey in the

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<v Speaker 1>passenger seat and tries to catch the sheriff's car ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>In the distance, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Sees an eighteen wheeled truck jackknife in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the road. Some cars are parked on the shoulder.

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<v Speaker 6>I almost turned off because it was so congested. I

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<v Speaker 6>thought it was a car accident. Yeah, I thought this

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<v Speaker 6>was going to be one of things where it turns

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<v Speaker 6>out to be nothing, and I wish that it would

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<v Speaker 6>have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo keeps driving toward the congestion. A helicopter's on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground at the scene.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody's missing, and you come up on a scene like that,

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<v Speaker 7>and the helicopters sat down and the ambulances there. You

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<v Speaker 7>just know, all of a sudden, nobody has to tell

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<v Speaker 7>you what it is, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I saw my father's truck down there on the side

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<v Speaker 6>of the road and all these other vehicles, and then

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<v Speaker 6>he was coming out of the woods and he had

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<v Speaker 6>his hands in his cover and his face, and I

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<v Speaker 6>knew they had found her. And I didn't even stop

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<v Speaker 6>the truck. I mean I slowed down and up, and

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<v Speaker 6>I jumped out and went running, and everything was blending

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<v Speaker 6>together and going super fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo jumps out of the pickup and runs along the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the road. Yellow crime scene tape has already

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<v Speaker 1>been tied between a pine tree and a sign that.

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<v Speaker 5>Reads no dump of rubbish.

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<v Speaker 1>The tape cordons off a short sandy road that cuts

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<v Speaker 1>through the tree line. Beyond it, Leo sees men in

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<v Speaker 1>suits standing in front of palmetto.

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<v Speaker 5>Bushes, looking down into a drainage canal.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo now knows Michelle is back there, and he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to push past the deputies to get to her. His

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<v Speaker 1>dad grabs him and keeps him from reaching the canal,

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<v Speaker 1>to keep him from seeing Michelle's body.

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<v Speaker 6>And he kept saying she's gone, And I was trying

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<v Speaker 6>to hold on to some kind of my mind was

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<v Speaker 6>doing it, fabricating some kind of possibility that you're not right,

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<v Speaker 6>She's not dead. It could not possibly end like this.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just unreal. And it was like my

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<v Speaker 6>whole world was just fragmenting, and I wanted so bad

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<v Speaker 6>to just run back there and just grab her, and

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<v Speaker 6>if I could just hold her, I'd hold her and

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<v Speaker 6>she'd still be alive. And I, you just I can't.

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<v Speaker 6>It can't end like this. It just it can't end.

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<v Speaker 6>We look too hard, I've been up too long. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>gonna save her. I mean, it just just I just

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<v Speaker 6>lost it. I ended up punching the ground. I was

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<v Speaker 6>pulling grass out. I hit the tree, and I kept saying,

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<v Speaker 6>she's not dead, She's not dead. And then all these

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<v Speaker 6>people are coming around, and because I'm flipping out, I

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<v Speaker 6>end up in between these cars.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops come around one side of the car towards Leo.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad comes from the other side.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm telling him, don't touch me, don't come near me.

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<v Speaker 6>I want her out now.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to.

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<v Speaker 6>I ended up just falling down and sitting against the

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<v Speaker 6>front tire of a car. I came in glue.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle's body is floating face down in a drainage canal

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<v Speaker 1>off State Road thirty three near an.

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<v Speaker 5>Old phosphate mine.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a large piece of plywood partially covering her body,

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<v Speaker 1>resting on her back and legs. She's still wearing the

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<v Speaker 1>red pants she wore to work that day and a

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<v Speaker 1>sleeveless white top. Her autopsy would later reveal that she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been stabbed twenty six times, and scrapes on her back

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<v Speaker 1>were consistent with her body being dragged after she was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Richard Kachadorian, who talked to Leo and his father

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<v Speaker 1>the morning after Michelle's disappeared, hears about it.

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<v Speaker 5>On the news.

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<v Speaker 8>I remember coming to work one night and there it

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<v Speaker 8>was on television, and she was found not far from

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<v Speaker 8>where I'm sitting right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He feels bad for the Schofields and picks up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to offer his condolences. Leo Senior answers, and.

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<v Speaker 8>It was definitely a very peculiar conversation. He talked about

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<v Speaker 8>a premonition that he had.

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<v Speaker 1>What Leo Senior told him was so odd. Katadorian decided

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<v Speaker 1>to write an official report about the call. His report reads,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Schofield advised writer that he received a premonition the

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<v Speaker 1>night prior to the discovery of his daughter in law,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly from the Lord, advising him where Michelle could be found.

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<v Speaker 8>He told me on the phone at night that he

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<v Speaker 8>discovered the body, and the body was in the water,

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<v Speaker 8>and that she was looking at him, and that she

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<v Speaker 8>was smiling at him.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle was smiling, Leo Senior said, as of saying thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for finding me. This is especially odd because Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>was floating face down and had plywood on top of her.

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<v Speaker 8>It was strange, and that's how I thought of it.

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<v Speaker 8>It became extremely strange, and I got I mean, it

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<v Speaker 8>frightened me to a certain degree. And if you know

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<v Speaker 8>that landscape, you just don't happen upon. You just don't

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<v Speaker 8>drive down that road and happen upon anything that's really

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<v Speaker 8>dense vegetation, snake infested water. I mean, do you either

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<v Speaker 8>have to know something's there, or somebody directed you there,

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<v Speaker 8>or you knew something was in that area. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>in hindsight, Gilbert, what I feel he was doing was

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<v Speaker 8>confessing that was definitely one of the oddest phone calls

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<v Speaker 10>There is a piece of wood board that was covering

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<v Speaker 10>the body.

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<v Speaker 6>I do have that, so I bring that out. Just

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<v Speaker 6>been reading about it for months.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just so funny that it's here.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey and I are talking to Shane Kent, who runs

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence room in the basement of the Polk County Courthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Shane's in his early forties with tattoos, engaged piercings. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna show us all the physical evidence from Michelle Schofield's murder.

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<v Speaker 10>How's gonna go down is I'm gonna try to keep

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<v Speaker 10>control out of all the evidence. Sure, I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 10>the only one handling it. If I'll drop off piece,

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<v Speaker 10>let you look at it, examine it, if you want

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<v Speaker 10>to take pictures of it. The only thing that I

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<v Speaker 10>do not recommend any pictures being taken is of the

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<v Speaker 10>victim is any kind of nude, because some of the

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<v Speaker 10>wounds are in her chest and her bare chest is exposed.

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<v Speaker 6>So okay, understand, okay, all right, if you want to, guys,

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<v Speaker 6>have a seat, I'll start bringing Okay, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time someone asked to see the evidence from a homicide,

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<v Speaker 1>the state Attorney's office is notified and they can send

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<v Speaker 1>someone down to observe. So we have an armed officer

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<v Speaker 1>with us, and she's going to be watching as we

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<v Speaker 1>look through all the evidence. Alright, Kelsey and I sit

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<v Speaker 1>side by side at the table and Shane starts bringing

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<v Speaker 1>out the evidence. The plywood that was covering Michelle's body

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<v Speaker 1>in the canal where she was found was found on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the body. In that little maps of lakeland

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<v Speaker 1>mounted on foam boards, Michelle's time card from Tom's restaurant.

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<v Speaker 5>See there's a downy bottle that they found.

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<v Speaker 1>The blood smeared downy fabric soft in her bottle that

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<v Speaker 1>was found in the back of the Mazda.

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<v Speaker 11>The downy bottle very much looked like a downy bottle

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<v Speaker 11>from the eighties. You know, it wasn't like the one

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<v Speaker 11>you'd be able to buy at the store today. You know,

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<v Speaker 11>for me, this all happened before I was born, So

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<v Speaker 11>seeing some of that stuff, I was able to like

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<v Speaker 11>better place in time, like, oh my gosh, okay, this

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<v Speaker 11>happened and it was nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Shane brings out Michelle's clothes. Each piece is contained

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<v Speaker 1>in a clear plastic bag.

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<v Speaker 11>Her jacket, her top, her bra and underwear, and the

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<v Speaker 11>red pants that she and more to work. That was

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<v Speaker 11>all there as well, no sense And this is the

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<v Speaker 11>gray jacket, the jacket and the top. They'd been slashed

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<v Speaker 11>and there was a lot of dried blood on those items.

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<v Speaker 5>I look at Kelsey. We both know what's next.

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<v Speaker 1>Shane starts with photos of Michelle as she was found

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<v Speaker 1>floating faced down in the canal under the plywood. A

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<v Speaker 1>few more like that without the plywood. Then he brings

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<v Speaker 1>out the photographs from the autopsy. There are pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>her face, her head tilted to one side. She looks

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<v Speaker 1>like she could be sleeping, except she isn't, and the

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<v Speaker 1>wounds are horrific. We've been studying this case for months now,

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<v Speaker 1>but in documents the crime can feel abstract, with Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>described only as the victim. By this time, we'd met Leo,

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<v Speaker 1>some of Michelle's friends and family, and now she's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer some stranger or the victim on an autopsy table,

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<v Speaker 1>and your heart just breaks trying to imagine the pain

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<v Speaker 1>and devastation they felt when Michelle was killed. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>I can think about seeing these photos.

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<v Speaker 6>That's everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a pleasant.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Not a lot of cases are, no, I know. But

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna need to decompress her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, yeah, Kelsey and I aren't saying much. On

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<v Speaker 1>the way back to the parking garage, the summer heat

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<v Speaker 1>is stifling, and it's the end of the work day,

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<v Speaker 1>so there are people all around us.

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<v Speaker 5>We get to our car where we debrief.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, I was thinking about her and like the

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<v Speaker 11>pain she must have felt, and how scared she must

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<v Speaker 11>have been in those last moments. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>there's also the proximity and age I was thinking about,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, also like myself and and all of my

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<v Speaker 11>friends who are young women and could potentially be in

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<v Speaker 11>a situation like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Certa, I can take your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Grief and heartbreak overwhelm everyone close to Michelle in the

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<v Speaker 1>days and nights after her body is discovered. When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes time to arrange her funeral, Leo is in no

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<v Speaker 1>shape to help.

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<v Speaker 6>My dad took over everything. I could not make a

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<v Speaker 6>solid decision for me for anything. I couldn't decide what

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<v Speaker 6>close further where. I couldn't decide what color of the

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<v Speaker 6>casket should be, what kind of casket should be on

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<v Speaker 6>those things were so fond to me. How do you

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<v Speaker 6>decide what kind of casket you put your dead wife in?

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one detail Leo does care about. Michelle's dad

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<v Speaker 1>wants a closed casket.

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<v Speaker 6>Wake, and I just could not leave her without seeing

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<v Speaker 6>her again. I just could not do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Leo makes an arrangement with the funeral home. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>hold the wake with a closed casket, But an hour

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<v Speaker 1>or so before they'll let Leo c Michelle one last time,

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the funeral director tells him that to view Michelle, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>need a high necked shirt to cover her wounds.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was flabbergasted, was like, what wounds? When Michelle

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<v Speaker 6>was murdered? I was originally on the impression all the

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<v Speaker 6>way up until the wake that she was drown and

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<v Speaker 6>that's when my father said they were stab wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>With Leo in his debilitated state, no one had wanted

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to tell him exactly what happened to Michelle.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously I knew somebody had killed her. Why or how

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 6>was beyond my ability to think. Stabbing her is beyond that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's just beyond that. And for me, that

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<v Speaker 6>was the whole thing. Cast again, relive in it all

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 6>over again, a different scenario, somehow worse than the drowning.

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<v Speaker 1>At the wake, Leo was given the private moment he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see Michelle one last time.

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<v Speaker 6>And walked into the viewing area. I have never seen

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 6>a dead body. I've never been to a wake, I've

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 6>never had any experience like that, so I really wasn't

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 6>prepared for any of that. And she was laying in

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 6>the gasket, and I told myself that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>see it because I wanted to kiss her one more time.

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<v Speaker 6>She was so cold. I couldn't do it. Immediately. I

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 6>felt her hand. She was ice cold, and she didn't

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 6>even look like her. I mean, Michelle without life was

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<v Speaker 6>not Michelle. I did manage to him. It took a while.

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<v Speaker 6>I managed to kiss her. It didn't help me. I

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 6>kept thinking, I gotta just figure out a way. I

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 6>gotta go back. All I gotta do is get back

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 6>to this minute, the one I was looking for, instead

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 6>of going this way. If I just go that way,

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<v Speaker 6>I could have ran into the car, you know, but

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<v Speaker 6>just any just that minute, if I could just get

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.159
<v Speaker 6>back to there, I could I could make it all

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 6>go away. And you can't go back. There's no way

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 6>to go back. My life has been chasing that going

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 6>back ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>After the wake, there's Michelle's funeral. The church is filled

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<v Speaker 1>with young people and they've come to remember Michelle.

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<v Speaker 7>We met in fourth grade, and I don't know, we

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 7>just we hit it off like right away, you know,

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 7>as little kids.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Michelle McCluskey. She was Michelle Schofield's best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>As kids, they did gymnastics in the front yard, listen

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to music, and then as they grew into teenagers, they

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>would go the roller skating rink almost every night. They

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>also played a lot of sports with boys in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 7>She seemed to be kind of good at almost everything.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember always thinking how strong she was. She could

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 7>do things physically that a lot of girls our age

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 7>couldn't do. She was kind of rough and tumble, you know.

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 7>She had an older brother and a younger brother. She

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 7>wrestled with them and stuff like that. But she was,

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 7>you know, she wasn't like a tough girl or anything

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 7>like that. She was very sweet and feminine and like

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 7>always liked to do her nails and have her hair

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 7>done and that kind of stuff too. When we were younger,

0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 7>they lived in a small mobile home. It was a

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 7>single wide mobile home and it was so small, but

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 7>Ricky had a full drum set in a living room.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky is Michelle's older brother. The whole family loved music, playing, singing,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you name it. Ricky and his father, David, both learned

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the drums. Michelle's grandfather played the banjo.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course. Then we started listening to rock and roll,

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<v Speaker 7>and if you met her, you would never guess that

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 7>she liked heavy metal locks, you know what I mean.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Kelsey and I reached out to Jesse Saum, Michelle's younger brother.

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<v Speaker 5>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an artist and we met him at his studio

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>in Port Canaveral. It has big garage doors that open

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>onto the marina. Dozens of his metal sculptures hang from

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the walls and ceiling. He keeps a picture of Michelle

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>at one of his workstations.

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<v Speaker 12>She was she was trying to do more musical stuff too.

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 12>You know, she was really good at singing and stuff

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 12>like that, and I think she was just trying to

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 12>find her voice, you know, and was kind of surprising

0:30:58.280 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 12>it because everybody has to work and hear the bill,

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 12>you know what I mean. But I think that that

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 12>was really her kind of creative the thing that she

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 12>how she could express herself.

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Jesse and Michelle went to a lot of heavy metal

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>shows together when they were growing up. He's only sixteen

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>when Michelle moves in with Leo. He comes home one

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>afternoon when he hears that Michelle's body has been found.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 12>I think I had come home, uh, And I think

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 12>my grandmother actually told me because I don't think my

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 12>dad was there. I was hoping not to witness his

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 12>state of being at that moment, because you know, he just,

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 12>you know, crumpled.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>We asked Jesse if he thinks his dad, David Soalm,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>would talk to us, but Jesse tells us that his

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>dad doesn't even like to talk to him about Michelle.

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>It's still too painful. As a matter of courtesy, I

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>mailed David a letter telling him what I'm doing and

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>offering him the opportunity to speak with me or to

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>ask any questions.

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 5>But I don't hear back from him.

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>In the days following Michelle's funeral, Leo is having a

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>hard time processing these new details of his wife's death.

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Now he's forced to think about the violence Michelle experienced

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in her last moments.

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 6>I know Michelle, and there's no way that anybody who

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 6>knew her was capable of doing this to her. It's

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 6>not possible. And so I'm looking for some monstrous thing

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 6>that you can't describe in a human form, you know,

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 6>it's just a monster.

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Leo and Michelle's friends are also trying to make sense

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of Michelle's murder, and they're trying to figure out who

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>might be responsible.

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 13>It's a time, you know, we were the suspect of

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 13>a lot of different people. You know, you sit around

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 13>in your mind, you try to who could have done

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 13>something you know as terrible as that.

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>This is Dave again, the bass player in Leo's band,

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and his wife Liz.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 6>There was a couple of people that.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 13>We wondered about.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 14>My first reaction when we got the phone call that

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 14>night at the same time that this happened, and just

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 14>before there was like five girls in the area that

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 14>had been killed. One of them was even right down

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 14>here off Comby Road, dumped on the railroad track.

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Comby Road is the street where a lot of teenagers

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>hang out in Lakeland. A lot of crime happens here,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of theft fights, sometimes murders. It also happens

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to be where Tom's Restaurant is, where Michelle was working

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the night she went missing.

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 15>So my first reaction was, oh, my god, it's got

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 15>to be that same guy. He's come over here. So

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 15>I just that was my first reaction. It was that

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 15>serial killer that had been running around I four corridor.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>But their minds always returned to those closest to Michelle,

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>and word was getting around about how Leo's dad claimed

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a premonition had led him to Michelle's body.

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.919
<v Speaker 13>The Sheriff's department was looking at that and thinking, yeah,

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 13>that don't sound right, you know, And to be honest

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 13>with you, there were times when we kind of suspected

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 13>he may have because there again, at a time like that,

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 13>it's such a terrible thing, you know, you try to

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 13>figure out who in the world would have done something

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 13>like that, you know, That's what.

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>The Polk County Sheriff's Office would have to figure out.

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Two experienced detectives were assigned to the Michelle Schofield case,

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Detective Weeks and Detective Putnam. I could try to describe them,

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>but it might be better coming from the longtime reporter

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>for the Lakeland Ledger, Susie SHOTTLECOTTI.

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 16>I was covering cops then, so I do remember having

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 16>a lot of murders going on at that point and

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 16>a lot of things that went unsolved.

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Susie has been reporting on the courts in Polk County

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>for over thirty five years, and she's married to a

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>retired detective with the Sheriff's office. She knows just about

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>everyone in Polk County. First I asked her about Detective

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Robert Weeks.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 16>Oh yeah, Weebel webel. Yes, it's little short guy. He's

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 16>kind of built like a wee boy, you know, Weebel's wobble.

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Then I asked Susie about Weeks's partner, Detective Putnall.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 16>Of God, Richard Putnall doctor deaf. Oh god, he has

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 16>the personality of a dial tone. I mean they called

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.359
<v Speaker 16>him doctor Deaf because he was always at a crime scene.

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>But he was.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 16>He was the typical chain smoking, rumpled suit, tall, lanky detective.

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 16>I mean, he was just what you would imagine an

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 16>old krusty. He smelled like smoke all the time.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 6>Detective.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Kelsey and I tried reaching out to these detectives without luck.

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>We sent email, left phone messages, and knocked on doors.

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>It was almost like word had gotten out about what

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>we were doing. Very few people from the Sheriff's office,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>active or retired, wanted to talk to us. But there

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>was one guy. His name is Grady Judd. He's the

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 1>actual sheriff now, and it's fair to say that he's

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the face and the voice of Polk County.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 17>This is a wonderful safe community. I love the people here,

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 17>and in turn, the community here overwhelmingly cares for each

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 17>other and looks out for each other. It's a good place.

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Grady Judd is a white man in his mid sixties.

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>He wears glasses and a green uniform with his sheriff

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>star pinned to his chest. He's known for his campy,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>tough on crime press conferences, which often involved props and

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>pictures and often go viral on social media. In two

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, his deputies chased someone suspected of killing

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>a police officer into the woods and shot him dead.

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 1>After the autopsy, Judd was asked why deputies fired sixty

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 1>eight bullets into the suspect. That's all the bullets we had,

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>and we would have shot him more.

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 17>He said, we don't choose to shoot people. They choose

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 17>for us to shoot them. And if you choose for

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 17>us to shoot at you, we're gonna shoot at you

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 17>a lot. That's a guarantee.

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>When we met him, some Lakeland rappers had just released

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a new song, duck in Grady Judd, and they made

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a music video that pokes fun at evading cops in

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Polk County.

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 5>The sheriff loved it.

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 17>Really we got a boom. And by the way, we're

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 17>going to do an encore together. It's already schedule. I

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 17>told him. I said, they said, can we do an encore?

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 17>And I said yes, I love it because the first

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 17>one I didn't have anything to do with it. They

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 17>pulled my clips off the YouTube and this one I'm

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 17>going to have a cameo appearance and they said, can

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 17>we can we shoot part of it with your swat

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 17>vehicle and I said, well, sure you can.

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Jud is so popular in Polk County. He recently won

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>his fifth consecutive term as sheriff, running unopposed. He tells

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>us he grew up in the Cumby area, that same

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>part of Lakeland where Michelle worked and where bodies were

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>turning up.

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 17>They used to call me a Comby critter. When I

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 17>was a kid. I'd run around talking about being the sheriff,

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 17>and they'd say, they're not going to elect some kid

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 17>from Comby Road to be the sheriff. I said, yeah,

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 17>they are. They're going to let me. They ain't going

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 17>to elect the Comby critter. Well they did here I

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 17>am Grady.

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Judd was just eighteen when he joined the Sheriff's office,

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>but since he was too young to legally purchase ammunition

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>for his service weapon, his father had to buy it

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>for him. Jud quickly rose up the ranks, and just

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 1>a few years before Michelle Schofield's murder, he was supervising

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>forty four employees, all older than him. And jud is

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the first to admit that it's a pretty bad sign

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>when a kid in his twenties is running the criminal

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>investigations unit.

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 17>You know, I like to think that I'm sharper than

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 17>the average bear, but that's just a personal opinion of me.

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 17>But the reality is, we should have had people with

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 17>institutional wisdom running a criminal investigations division back in the day,

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.760
<v Speaker 17>and we didn't. So we had a young, upstart college

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 17>kid who read a lot and was intuitive when the

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 17>real mature leaders weren't there.

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>In Polk County in the nineteen eighties, violent crime was

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>rising dramatically, and Grady Judd was alarmed and frustrated by

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the growing number of unsolved homicides. Back then, they didn't

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 1>really have the resources to keep up.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 17>We didn't have DNA, we didn't have cell phone tracking,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 17>we didn't have stores and intersections with cameras.

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>On top of that, Grady Judd says they didn't have

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>many experienced homicide detectives back then, and there were too

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>many murders for them to handle. They'd start working one murder,

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>but then another murder would come along and they'd have

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to stop what they were doing to move on to

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the next one. The year Michelle was killed, the Sheriff's

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>office handled twenty seven homicides, its second worst year for

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>murders in a decade. There were nine recent murder cases

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>that had gone cold, and now detectives from the Polk

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's Office had another killing on their hands with

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>very little evidence to go on, making matters worse. A

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>month before Michelle's murder, Polk County Sheriff Dan Daniels, a

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>self avowed white supremacist, was forced out of office by

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the governor on the same day Michelle's body was found.

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>There was an overhaul of the department and massive reorganization underway.

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Many officers in the Polk County Sheriff's Office resigned.

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 17>I didn't because my goal was to make this organization better,

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 17>not run from a challenge. But it was tumultuous during

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 17>those days.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>With the Sheriff's department in turmoil, Detectives weeks and putnall

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>do what they can with the resources available to them.

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>The first thing they do is canvas Leo and Michelle's neighborhood,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 1>knocking on doors, and they begin to hear stories from

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>neighbors of arguments and loud noises coming from the young

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>couple's trailer, but nobody had seen or heard anything unusual

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>on the night Michelle disappeared until Detective Weeks shows up

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>at the trailer of Ricky and Alice Scott, who live

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>across the street from Leo and Michelle. Ricky didn't see anything,

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>but he says he's concerned about his wife getting involved

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in the investigation. Alice, who's in her mid thirties, stays

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>up late and she's the neighborhood busybody. She's been known

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>to call the cops on kids for riding bikes on

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>her lawn, and she tells Detective Weeks that yes, she

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>did see.

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 5>Something suspicious on the night Michelle disappeared.

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>She says she heard a noise and looked out her

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>bathroom window. The Schofields pulled up to their trailer in

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the Mazda. She watched as Leo and Michelle went inside.

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Then Alice says she hears a scream. She says she

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>stays at the window waiting until Leo emerges from the trailer.

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>He's carrying something large and heavy that he places in

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the back of the Mazda. He closes the hatch, starts

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the car, and away With that single statement, Alice Scott

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>puts the investigations focused squarely on Leo.

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 17>Eyewitness testimony is not your best evidence because people in

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 17>a traumatic event, perception can be skewed. They mean well,

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 17>some don't mean well. Some there's an ulterior motive. But

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 17>for the most part, your eyewitnesses mean well, but they're

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 17>scared to death and their perceptions may not be exactly

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 17>as it occurred. But if somebody didn't talk, it was

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 17>hard to solve a murder.

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Back then, as detectives weeks in Putnall interview Leo and

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Michelle's friends and former roommates, they learned that the young

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 1>couple had a volatile relationship. There were stories about loud

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>arguments in the trailer, Leo screaming at Michelle, some noises

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that sounded like slaps, red marks on Michelle's face, stories

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of Leo dragging Michelle by the hair. As the days

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>turned to weeks after Michelle's murder, Leo can feel people looking.

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 5>At him differently.

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Word is getting out now that there's a witness pointing

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 1>to Leo as the main suspect. At one point, Leo

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>calls Michelle's dad, David Salm.

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 6>He said that he was informed by doctor Weeks to

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 6>not have any contact with me until this was over,

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 6>that they believed that I did it. And I said

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 6>to him, you don't believe that, David, And he said

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. And I was silent for a few seconds,

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 6>and I said, okay, all right, and that it was

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 6>the last time I suppo to him. I understand his pain,

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.760
<v Speaker 6>but when he said that, it really really hurt, because

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 6>you should know me better than that. But he needed

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 6>something to hang that had on, you know, something to

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 6>makes sense, like we all did. But when he said that,

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 6>I really really started feeling the way coming down.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just Michelle's dad who turns his back

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>on Leo. Michelle's friends are talking to detectives too.

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 7>Michelle was a very very beautiful girl, and she always

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 7>dated very nice looking boy And when I met him,

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 7>he just didn't seem like the kind of person that

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 7>I would think she would be interested in. He was

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 7>kind of small bill, kind of grungy, and he just

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.360
<v Speaker 7>didn't seem that attractive to me. It just it just

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.800
<v Speaker 7>rubbed me weird. I just didn't understand what she was

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 7>so interested about, you know, I don't know.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Michelle McCluskey was the maid of honor at Leo and

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Michelle's wedding, but she still had her doubts.

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 7>I remember not not being sure that it was a

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 7>good thing for her and being concerned, you know, but

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 7>she just she always convinced me it was okay. If

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.800
<v Speaker 7>they were not getting along or she was unhappy or

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 7>anything like that, she didn't tell me.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>But after Michelle went missing, Michelle McCluskey remembers one moment

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>in particular, after her first night of searching for her

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>best friend, when questions about Leo's started.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 5>To creep in.

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 7>We spent that whole day looking for her and stuff.

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 7>And it was sometime laid into the night, and we

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 7>went back to their house and I fell asleep on

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 7>the couch and then I heard a noise or something.

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 7>I woke up and he was standing in the living

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 7>room with the front door open, just kind of looking outside.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 7>And that was the first time that I thought what if,

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 7>Like what if he did something to her, and it

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 7>made me kind of scared that I was there along

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 7>with him.

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Soon, Michelle McCluskey would learn that Leo's neighbor, Alice Scott,

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>told detective she heard Michelle's scream then saw Leo carrying

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>something heavy to the Mazda. If that was true, it

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 1>would mean that Michelle McCluskey was sleeping at the crime

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>scene where her best friend had been violently murdered the

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>night before by the man she was now.

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 7>Alone with being in the house the next day and

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 7>there's no blood, nothing's broken, no holes in the wall, no,

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.560
<v Speaker 7>you know, there's no sign that anything like that happened

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 7>in their house. So I just thought, well, that just

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 7>doesn't make sense. I had decided there was no way

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 7>he could have done it because blood would have been

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:02.919
<v Speaker 7>all over the house and it wasn't.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>But what Michelle McCluskey didn't know was that busybody. Neighbor

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Alice Scott told police that she saw something else. The

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>day after Michelle Schofield went missing, Leo bringing a carpet

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>cleaner into the trailer. Detectives Weeks and Putnall continue to

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 1>question Leo, and he can feel the pressure mounting and

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>because he feels that he has nothing to hide, he

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>never even thinks to bring a lawyer along.

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 6>The fact that you're questioning me about the murder of

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 6>my own life was extremely uncomfortable. I've told this story

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 6>of zillion times. It doesn't change. I don't have any

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 6>answers to what actually took place because I wasn't there

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 6>to be in that position. It's beyond trying to prove

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 6>your innocence. It's beyond that there's a sludge that covers

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 6>you when you're being questioned for such a thing. We're

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 6>not talking about robin a store, or a cocaine charge

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 6>or something, and we're not even talking about a murder,

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 6>which is bad enough. This is the murder of my wife,

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.320
<v Speaker 6>whom I love, and now I'm forced to prove that

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 6>to someone I've never met before and obviously doesn't have

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 6>any idea who I am.

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Leo asked to take a lie detector test. He wants

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to prove his innocence, and Detective Weeks obliges. Weeks brings

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>in a guy from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 1>The examiner focuses on three questions, did you stab Michelle

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Leo answers no, Oh, did you stab Michelle with a knife?

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 11>No?

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Did your mother lie about your activities that night?

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>The polygraph examiner tells Leo he flunked, tells him, I

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 1>think you killed your wife. Armed with the lie detective results,

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Weeks and Putnall continue to interview people close to the couple.

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.919
<v Speaker 6>Weeks and his team are going around spreading all kinds

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 6>of stuff. My friends are looking at me strange. I

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 6>can feel it, you can feel the difference. And on

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:35.800
<v Speaker 6>top of everything, I lost Michelle.

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Months pass with Leo as the main suspect, yet no

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>evidence is turning up that connects him to Michelle's murder.

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>The clothes he was wearing that night had no blood

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>on them. Detectives don't have a murder weapon. They have

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 1>an alleged failed polygraph. But polygraph tests don't actually detect lies.

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.439
<v Speaker 1>They really only measure anxiety. The US Supreme Court ruled

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that polygraph tests are not reliable and their results are

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>not admissible evidence.

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:06.800
<v Speaker 5>In Florida.

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>The detectives have statements about Leo's temper and his relationship

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 1>with Michelle, and a statement from Alice Scott, who claims

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to have seen something the night Michelle disappeared. Still, the

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>State Attorney's office is looking over all the evidence and

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>they don't think detectives have enough to arrest Leo. Yet

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 1>there's other evidence, like the fingerprints found in Michelle's Mazda.

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 1>There were just two sets of prints that were lifted

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 1>from inside the car, and when they didn't match Leo

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>or Michelle or Leo Senior, the Sheriff's office stops looking

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>for possible matches. But what's strange is that Leo and

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Michelle's prints aren't even in the car, which they should

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>have been because.

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:49.359
<v Speaker 5>It's their car.

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>When I first saw that in the Florida Department of

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Law Enforcements report, I wondered if someone wiped down the fingerprints.

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Crime scene technicians also exact and Leo and Michelle's trailer.

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:05.919
<v Speaker 1>If Alice Scott's eyewitness statement is true that she heard

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Michelle's scream then saw Leo carrying something heavy like a

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 1>body and place it in the Mazda, that makes the

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>trailer the scene of the crime. The medical examiner concludes

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that Michelle lost approximately five pints of blood, but they

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>don't find anything you'd expect to find in the trailer

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>after someone has been stabbed twenty six times. Inside, there

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 1>is no blood, just like Michelle McCluskey noticed, and no

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 1>signs that the carpet had been cleaned, which there should

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>have been if Leo used the carpet cleaner. Alice Scott

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>claims she saw him bringing into the trailer the day

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:49.320
<v Speaker 1>after Michelle disappeared. Instead, most of Michelle Schofield's blood was

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>found in the dirt near the canal where.

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Her body was discovered.

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Nearly half of female homicide victims are killed by their partners,

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and the majority of those homicides are carried out by

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a male partner, so it makes sense that detectives would

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>be suspicious of Leo, but there's no physical evidence connecting

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Leo to the crime, so the case stalls for months

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>with no arrest. By the end of nineteen eighty seven,

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 1>with no new developments, the murder of Michelle Scofield is

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 1>going cold. The Polk County Sheriff's Office now has ten

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>unsolved murders on the books, but there's a new homicide prosecutor,

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Assistant State Attorney John Aguero. His job is to get

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the evidence from the detectives and convict someone for the

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>murder of Michelle Schofield. He's young, smart, and very aggressive.

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Aguero takes a look at the Michelle Scofield case file

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and he thinks he sees something. He reads Officer Kachadorian's

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 1>report about his conversation with Leo Senior, and Aguero thinks

0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 1>there's something weird going on with the father. A vision

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>from God led him to Michelle's body in a phosphate

0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:08.399
<v Speaker 1>drainage canal that can't even be seen from the road.

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Aguero is certain that Leo's father is somehow involved. His

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 1>so called vision from God that called him to Michelle's

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:22.200
<v Speaker 1>body is just too suspicious to ignore, so Assistant State

0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Attorney John Aguero sends detectives weeks in putnall back out

0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 1>for a few more rounds of questioning with Leo, and

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a new focus.

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 6>No, it's not about me anymore. They're both good cops,

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:35.439
<v Speaker 6>and we're going to talk about my dad.

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 5>But the detectives don't get what they want.

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Leo says he doesn't know anything about Michelle's murder, and

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>if Leo thought his dad had something to do with it,

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 1>he'd give up any information he had. Not long after this,

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Leo is a passenger and a serious car crash where

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he breaks his neck. He's hospitalized then released, but has

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to wear a metal neck brace for a while. He

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:06.320
<v Speaker 1>decides he's done with Florida. By this point, Leo's parents

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 1>have moved back to Massachusetts. Leo tell's detective Weeks he's

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>moving back up north, gives him contact information in Massachusetts,

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>and asks the detective to let him know if they

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 1>learn anything new about Michelle's murder. It's now May of

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight. Michelle has been dead for more than

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>fifteen months. John Aguero, the prosecutor, is frustrated by the

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 1>investigation's lack of progress, so he decides he wants to

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to the neighbor Alice Scott himself. Alice points Aguero

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to Randy and Mary Laffoon, a neighborhood couple that delivers

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 1>newspapers around Lakeland. Detective Weeks interviewed them both a year before,

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 1>but they said they didn't notice anything unusual on the

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:58.800
<v Speaker 1>night Michelle disappeared. But now under Aguero's questioning, the couple

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>tells the prosecutor they remember seeing an orange Mazda and

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a pickup truck just like the one Leo's senior drives

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:09.919
<v Speaker 1>they were parked right where Michelle's body was found, and now,

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:14.200
<v Speaker 1>fifteen months later, they say they saw those vehicles in

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the early morning hours of February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven,

0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the night Michelle disappeared. Aguero might not have the evidence

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.319
<v Speaker 1>to charge Leo's senior yet, but with the statements from

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Alice Scott and the Laffoons, he thinks he has enough

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to charge Leo. So in June of nineteen eighty eight,

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Leo is indicted for first degree murder, a charge punishable

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>by death in Florida. Aguero notifies police in Massachusetts and

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 1>he gets on a plane with Detective Weeks to take

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Leo into custody. Leo knows they're coming, but before he surrenders,

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.240
<v Speaker 1>he goes up to the roof of an apartment building

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>he and his dad are painting, and he takes what

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 1>could be his last look over the neighborhood he grew

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 1>up in. He's just a few stories up and his

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 1>father joins him.

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 6>And of course, I've never been arrested for anything, so

0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:12.200
<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty scared. I'm in a panic, and Dad's not

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.520
<v Speaker 6>saying anything. I actually went out on the roof and

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 6>I went out and I stood on the edge of

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 6>the thing, and I'm not gonna lie. I honestly stood

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 6>there thinking and I should just drop off of it

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 6>and be done. You know, I'm not gonna let these

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 6>people take.

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 11>Me through hell.

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 6>You know you're not listening to the truth, don't care

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 6>about the truth. And my dad said something really crazy.

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:43.480
<v Speaker 6>He said, if you did it, jump.

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Leo's wife has been murdered, his friends have mostly abandoned him,

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and now his own family is cracking under the pressure.

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 6>If all you can think is that I did it,

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 6>then obviously you're not caring who killed Michelle. I did

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:08.520
<v Speaker 6>not kill Michelle, And at some point I just decided

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to stand for my wife.

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Leo goes to the office of a local lawyer who

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>has arranged for the arrest and they wait. Then Leo

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:24.680
<v Speaker 1>notices movement outside the window. He turns to the lawyer.

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 6>I said that they're outside your window. And the swat

0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 6>team was outside the window with their rifles, so I

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 6>know they had surrounded the building. And no siner did

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 6>I say that they came in the office. They kicked

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 6>them the door, and this came right off in there.

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 6>And weeks was there. Aguero was there, and they picked

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 6>me up, handcuffed me. I told Weeks, you're making a mistake.

0:58:56.120 --> 0:59:01.920
<v Speaker 6>I kept saying that you're making a mistake. He didn't

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 6>respond to that at all.

0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Leo has brought before a Massachusetts judge who tells him

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>he can fight extradition to Florida if he wants, but

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Leo waves that right. He says he'll go willingly and

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 1>gets in a car with the prosecutor.

0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 5>John Aguero now told of gar.

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 6>When we were driving to Logan Airport in Massachusetts, he

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.560
<v Speaker 6>asked me, how do you like the car? We're in

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.640
<v Speaker 6>a red Cadillac, and he said, how do you like

0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 6>the car? I said, and I like it. It's nice.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna make you drive me back in it. You're

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<v Speaker 6>driving me to Massachusetts in a red Cadillac.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo is escorted onto the plane for the flight back

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida by Detective Weeks and John Aguero. Leo is

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<v Speaker 1>just twenty two years old, and tonight he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be sleeping in the Polk County jail.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember asking we because he sat by me on

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<v Speaker 6>the plane and I asked him to not stop looking,

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<v Speaker 6>to continue looking, and he said why would I do that?

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, because I'm not guilty of killing Michelle.

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<v Speaker 6>And he said, well, if I believe that, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when Leo turns to the other man sitting by him,

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor John Aguero. Leo catches a glimpse of something shiny

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<v Speaker 1>on Aguero's tie. It's a tie clasp with some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of design. Leo leans in to get a closer look.

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