1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there. So let's 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: just call this Stuff you Should Know, shall we. 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Hey, that's a good name for a show. 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I came up with that. 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: You did, You're the inventor, and from that was hatched 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: all of the stuff podcasts. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean how Stuff Works stuff. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. I think you're not you're 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: selling yourself short. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: It's okay. 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: So this is another one of our movie centric podcasts 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: that people seem to love. We've done all kinds of things, 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: from exploitation films to movies that change filmmaking, to how 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: films are rated. 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: The n p A, n PAA, how TV ratings work. Yeah, 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: ten exploitation films, Yeah, that was a good one, and 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: some movies that changed filmmaking. That's right, all the stuff 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: you just said. 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get going here, buddy, we need a 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: blanket spoiler because we're going to be talking about movies 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: that had their endings changed, and so this is your 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: fair warning. Most of them are old movies. Most of 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: this information is out there, of course, yes, But if 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: you're one of those people who gets really upset by 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, you may want to You've been warned. 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: You've been warned. And now drum roll, we're going to 29 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: talk about audience testing, which is depending on the filmmaker 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: and the film can be a really super awesome, valuable. 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: Tool, all right, it can also be like a terrible 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Yep, And 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: apparently even if you believe in the system, it's a 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: terrible experience, says Ron Howard. 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fame, well not famous for but he 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: is on record along with his producing partner Brian Graser 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: for who. 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: By the way, do you know this about Brian Grazer. 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Best hair and show business? 40 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: Well, clearly, yeah. But he has the habit of taking 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: frame pictures of himself over to people's houses and when 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: they're not looking, he'd like plants them among their family photo. 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome, pretty cool. That reminds me. I know, 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: you hate George Cloinney's guts, but there's you said that 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: there's a famous practical he's a big practical joker and 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: he prepared this one over the course of like a year, 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: supposedly told like his best friends that he had taken 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: up painting. Oh yeah, just kept that going and going, 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: and then like gave some of his close friends he's awful, 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: awful paintings, right, and you know you're kind of expected 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: to hang it up, right, They're like, oh, thanks. 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: George, Yeah, that's a pretty good one. 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: This is great. 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: Oh but he felt so good about himself after. 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: That, so glib so. Ron Howard and his producing partner 56 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Brian Gratzer are on record as saying that they really 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: can get a lot out of it, and like what 58 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: they would hate is to put a movie out and 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: find out there's something they really easily could have corrected, 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: either like confused or upset an audience as a whole. 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: But he also said it's terrible to go through. Yeah, 62 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: Like even when it's a good experience, it's never a 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: good experience. 64 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: And that's somebody who believes in the system. If you 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: don't believe in the system and you still have to 66 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: go through it, like Robert Altman did. 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: He's not a test audience kind of guy. No, can 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: you imagine putting him through that? 69 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: No, that's like letting all of the town's ladies bring 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: Boo Radley that the pies for killing Bob Yule. You know, 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: you can't put Robert Altman through the audience testing system. 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Who did they? Oh? 73 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, a dummy because yeah, he was a 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Maverick filmmaker. My brother and my Emily worked on movies 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: with him. It's pretty neat legend. I know, it's good stuff. 76 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: I wish I could tell a couple of the stories. 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: But I mean, did you expect to get rich off 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: of a Robert Altman movie? No, apparently these people did. 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: I wonder what his top grossing movie ever was. Probably 80 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: The Player or Mash I'll bet it was Mash. Yeah, 81 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: movies didn't gross so much back then. 82 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just it's a perennial classic. 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 84 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: The Player was great. 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's He's made a lot of great 86 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: movies and some kind of stinkers as well. Oh yeah, 87 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: but a lot of classics like Ashville. Have you ever 88 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: seen Nashville? 89 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: No? I never saw in Nashville. 90 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: So good? 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: So the Player shortcuts? Yeah, I didn't see the uh 92 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: the Lake Woble Gone one with Lindsay Lohan for some reason. What. Yeah, 93 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: they did Pie Home Companion. Yeah, with Lindsay Lohan. That's 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: just weird and Meryl Street. Hum, it was like, let's 95 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: getting casting director super drunk. Yeah, they just have a 96 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: point out photos head shots and then that's how we'll 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: cast this. 98 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: Uh and then McKay and miss Miller and that's a 99 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: classic as well. 100 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Never even heard of it more and Beaty liked mash though. 101 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: That was a good one. 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: It was so Ron Howard calls the process brutal and hideous. Yeah, 103 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: he said, even if it's going well, it's not fun. Yeah. 104 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Francis Ford Coppola is somewhat responsible, although they have tested 105 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: movies all the way back in the thirties. Yeah, when 106 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: audience has said, you know that somewhere over the Rainbow 107 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: song really slows things down. 108 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: It's a stinker. Get it out of there. 109 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: Thank goodness they didn't listen, because that became one of 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: the most iconic singing performances ever in a movie. 111 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently pointing that out is a really good 112 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: way to talk somebody out of cutting something a test audience, Yeah, 113 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: think about somewhere over the Rainbow. Chief. 114 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: So when Coppola was making Apocalypse Now. He had focus 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: groups and. 116 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I would not have guessed that. 117 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: Well that movie. 118 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: You've seen The Hearts of Darkness, right, No, the documentary 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: about it, Yeah, no, it's really good. 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: He had a lot of studio heat coming down on him. 121 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: You know you've got a great movie when the documentary 122 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: about your great movie is a great movie. 123 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 124 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: It's really good. 125 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: I think his wife made. 126 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: That, although that's not necessarily true. The best worst movie 127 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: was a great documentary, and Trolls two was not a 128 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: good movie in any way, shape or form. 129 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I've never heard of best worst movie. 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: It's about have you ever heard of Trolls two? 131 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: I've heard of Trolls so, I guess I've heard of Trolls. 132 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: Too, apparently made by totally different filmmakers, completely unconnected story 133 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: wise and everything. This is just Trolls two, gotcha? And 134 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: this documentary caught up with the people from Trolls Too, 135 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: because it became like kind of this cool hipster thing 136 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: to like, look, how terrible this movie is, like the 137 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: Room Sure, and this documentary kind of followed this movement 138 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: and went and found the people who were in this 139 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: movie who had no idea this was going on, and 140 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: then like basically puts him on the road going around 141 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: promoting showings of Trolls Too and just living it up. 142 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: That was great documentary. 143 00:06:59,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: The documentary is good. 144 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: The movie wasn't good, right, Okay, so I ate my 145 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: own words, understood, No you didn't. But I think one 146 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: of your pals from UCB. 147 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Is in it Controls Too. 148 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: In the best worst movie the documentary. 149 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Do you know one of the founders, No, not Matt Besser. 150 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it might be Matt Besserer. Maybe I don't know 151 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: one of the guys from you. There's like a bunch 152 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: of UCB people in it. 153 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, I got you. Besser was one of 154 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the founding members though, with Amy Poehler and Ian Roberts 155 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: and Matt Walsh. 156 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: Maybe Matt Walsh is the one that was in old school, right, Yeah, 157 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: so this is the other Matt. Yeah, I think he 158 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: might be in it. 159 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good guy. 160 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: He listens to our show, Prove me wrong, Matt, prove 161 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: me wrong. 162 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Razorbacks, that's for him. 163 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: He's an Arkansas fan or he just really likes Razorbacks. No, 164 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: he's a Arkansas guy, gotcha. 165 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a fan. 166 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: Of the big are we had an ad break yet. 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: Not yet, not until I finished the story about Coppola. 168 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: He when he was making Apocalypse Now, hired a man 169 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: named Joe Farrell or Farrell to help with marketing, and 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Farrell said, you know what, I see a pretty big 171 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: opportunity here, and so he partnered up with Katherine Catherine 172 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Para and formed the National Research Group. I don't know, 173 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they're still exclusive, but at the time 174 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: signed all the studios to an exclusive contract to do 175 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: their audience testing. And I think there's still the top 176 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: dog in audience testing, even though I think there are 177 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: other companies that do it. 178 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: Now, this is the company with the extraordinarily secretive name NRG, 179 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: the National Research Group. Yeah, and they also do like 180 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: contract hits I think for the CIA and the NSA. 181 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: No, but they don't have a website that I could find, 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Like I was trying to just get a little information 183 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: about the company. 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: But so they're a division of Nielsen. 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: Well, which of course they're super secretive. 186 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: We already tell they are. But yeah, so it's crazy 187 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: like this. 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: It's like a cabal. 189 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, very much. So Randy Quaid was right, 190 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: you might be. 191 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: And they don't just do audience testing. They also, back 192 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: when people had telephones, would do a lot of just 193 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: random calling and saying like market research, like did you 194 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: know this movie was coming out? 195 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: It's called awareness. 196 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, awareness campaigns and stuff like that. 197 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: And then they'd split you into four quadrants, right, which 198 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: is the four quadrants that everyone on the planet is 199 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: divided into men under twenty five, men over twenty five, 200 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: women under twenty five, and women over twenty five. That's right, 201 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: and that's it. There's the division of importance. At age 202 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 2: twenty five, you cross over and get put out to 203 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: pasture basically. All right. 204 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: So that's the longest setup in history. 205 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: So wait a minute. I want to make sure I 206 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: understand what you're saying, because I made a lot of 207 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: jokes in the middle of all this. 208 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: They were flying. 209 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: But you're saying that NRG, the National Research Group, came 210 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: out of focus groups done for apocalypse. 211 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: Now, Yes, that's the way I understand it. 212 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I did not know that. 213 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were already doing focus groups, but this 214 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: company really ran with it, I think in the corner 215 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: of the industry. Yeah, I got you, all right, So 216 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: let's take that promised break and we'll talk more about 217 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: audience testing right after this. All right, back with audience testing. 218 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: There's many different reasons to test your movie. Yeah, sometimes 219 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: if it's a comedy, they will literally do multiple screenings 220 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: just to test little bits and little jokes. 221 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: If that makes sense to me. Yeah, if you're testing 222 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: a comedy, totally makes sense. Because a couple of comedy 223 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: writers that you put into like a room and say, 224 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: write this hilarious movie or take this dog of a 225 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: movie and punch it up with some jokes. 226 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: It's very subjective. 227 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: It might sound fun to you, sure, but then you're 228 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: a movie executive and you had like a three scotch launch, 229 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: so everything seems kind of funny right now, you know 230 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah, sixties right, so I get I 231 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: get that, and then like this joke landed, this joke didn't, 232 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: This joke was too far, and it like went against 233 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: like what the what the character we've developed so far? 234 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: That and that to me makes sense, Yeah, Like I 235 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: see audience testing to that end. 236 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: For sure, you see the value. 237 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: But if it's like should this explosion be seventy percent 238 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: more explosive, well, or should this guy's brain splatter, like 239 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: more or less? 240 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Well with the violence, you have a point they that 241 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: is something they will also test for it like, are 242 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: you turned off by the amount of violence? 243 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: Could we dial it back a little bit? 244 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 245 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: What was the movie that was given an example in 246 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: this article of of something that was found to be 247 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: too violent? 248 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: Good Fellas? Yes, yeah, that was in a mental Thos article, right, Yeah, yeah, 249 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Goodfellas the audience like he had and that was the 250 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: first movie Scorsese had ever tested. 251 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, that's another guy I don't see like 252 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: testing stuff. I'm really surprised about Apocalypse Map. 253 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 254 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it was studio heat, Yeah, I gotcha. 255 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Scorsese, I think like forty or fifty people walked 256 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: out in the first ten minutes because of the violence. Yeah, 257 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and they said that they didn't like that third act 258 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: where you know, just they thought it was too intense, Yeah. 259 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: And apparently very drawn out, way more drawn out than 260 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: it even is now. 261 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they thought the ending of Goodfellows is too intense. 262 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: Right, and again very drawn out. So he went to 263 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: a quick cut montage thing, yeah, which actually ended up 264 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: making it better because Henry Hill is like coke to 265 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: the gills at this point. Sure, and like that whole 266 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: thing where like he's looking driving, watching the helicopter that's 267 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: following him. Yeah, and it's like chop, chop, chop. It 268 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: really gets the point across. 269 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was very effective. So it worked 270 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: in that case. I think, yes, right, the system works. Well, 271 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. It worked in that case. 272 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: So how these things work is, if you live in 273 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area and you go to the mall, 274 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: or if you're even in a movie line, you've probably 275 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: been approached or seeing the people with clipboards, don't run 276 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: away because they are not trying to sell you something. 277 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: They're trying to give you something, which is a free screening, 278 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: that's true, and they'll come and sign you up there. 279 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I ask if you're interested, Hey, we got a new 280 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: Owen Wilson movie that we're screening in Burbank next Friday night. 281 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: And everybody starts murmuring, oh oh, I love him. He's 282 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: a national treasure. And everybody starts signing up. 283 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: What's with the nose? 284 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: He got a broken when he was younger. 285 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: It looks like more than once. I liked that he 286 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: didn't fix it. 287 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, he was a smart alec. 288 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: That thing is just like so crooked, and he's just like, yep, 289 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: this is me. 290 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: He said. He always expected to do something like go 291 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: into advertising or whatever. But if you're a buddy of 292 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Wes Anderson's from a young age, yeah, going into movies. 293 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,119 Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm a big fan of him and his nose. Yeah, 294 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: so you're gonna get approached. Like I said, probably in 295 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: LA but they do test all over the country. Because 296 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about will it play in Peoria? Yeah, sometimes 297 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: they want to go to Ohio and see what you know, 298 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: someone outside of the LA area feels about the movie. 299 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: Right. But the reason that your chances are vastly higher 300 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: of being asked to be in a test audience for 301 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: a movie in Los Angeles is because a lot of 302 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: times the people working on the movie who live in 303 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: Los Angeles have to attend these things. Yeah, because not 304 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: only do they want to, they want to get the 305 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: feedback from it, which we'll find out about that. They 306 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: also want to experience it firsthand, sure, so they get 307 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: a real feel for how the audience is responding. 308 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you're eighteen to thirty four, you're more 309 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: likely to get approached because that's the sweet spot of 310 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: course that you talked about. Yeah, if you're older than that, 311 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: then forget it. 312 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: No one cares about you. 313 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: No one cares about you. 314 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: Give up all of your dreams and work and yep, 315 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: smoke a pipe, be quiet. 316 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: That's right. If you are an assistant editor or in 317 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: any part of the editing crew, it's going to be 318 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: a bit of a hellish experience because you're going to 319 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: be scrambling trying to timp in music and temp in 320 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: special effects, like some really hackneyed version of special effects, 321 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: just so they know, like in the scene it's going 322 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: to be a spaceship. 323 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: And then the editors like, well, I can just cut 324 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: to this stock quick time footage of a spaceship landing 325 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: and get the point across, Like sure. 326 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: So they're going to be scrambling trying to put together 327 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: as much of a finished project as they can, and 328 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: most of the times they will also be at the theater. 329 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: They're going to queue it up and watch it just 330 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: to make sure it's ready to roll. Yeah, before the 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: audience sees it, you're gonna have a moderator. Have you 332 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: ever been to a test screen? 333 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: No of you? 334 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 335 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Cool? 336 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's neat what I don't remember. 337 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: Wow, it must not have been very good movie. 338 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: That was a long time ago. Yeah, that was it. 339 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: I love that movie. It wasn't. I did watch that 340 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,359 Speaker 1: the other night though, in full. 341 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: That's that was. That was one of the songs that 342 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: I sang at piano karaoke, A couple of dollars songs. 343 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: Sang that you mean and I sang I was in 344 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: the stream. 345 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: Oh well that she did the Kenny Rogers part and 346 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: you did the Dolly part. 347 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: We switched it up a little. Yeah, very hard song 348 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: to sing, by the way, and that movie holds up. 349 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Man, it's still very funny. 350 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the great Dabney Coleman, great Lily Commlin, the great 351 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: Dolly Parton, great Jane Fonda, the great Jane Fonda. 352 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: So good, and you know, the three of them, like 353 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: it was just a great shoot. There were best buds, 354 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and they remained friends all these years later. 355 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: You can tell. 356 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of neat. Uh all right, So where 357 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: was I? Oh, Yeah, someone's gonna introduce the movie and 358 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna get you all excited and like everyone's glad 359 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: to be here. So you know when Wilson's new movie. 360 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: Right, everybody reach under your seat for some pre red vines. 361 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, might get little free something you never know, 362 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: And they're going to explain, like, what you're about to 363 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: see is gonna be a little rough in parts and 364 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the effects aren't complete, so just don't take that into account. Right. 365 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: They're not looking for like, well, maybe you should color 366 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: correct it a little more before you release it. They're 367 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: aware of that. 368 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to take the green screen out 369 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: of the shot. 370 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: Right. What they're looking for is pacing. They want to 371 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: know you as like an audience members, keeping up with 372 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: the movie and how it's how it is going, right. 373 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna well, you're gonna watch the movie just 374 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: as cleanly as possible, and then you're gonna have to 375 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: fill out comment cards. And they're pretty standard, but they 376 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: can tailor it for the movie. Like if, like let's 377 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: say you think there's a problem with one of the characters, 378 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: they might specifically say, like, what'd you think about the 379 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: Luke Wilson character? 380 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: Too much? 381 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: Too little? 382 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: He's no Owen Wilson. 383 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: They might ask your favorite parts, your least favorite parts? Yeah, 384 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: how did it flow? Did anything stand out to you? 385 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: Like could you follow it the whole time. 386 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, did it make sense? That's a good. 387 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: One, right, What did you think of the jokes? 388 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? What do you think of the jokes? They drill down, 389 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: They try and get as specific as they. 390 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: Can, and these are just the comment cards. 391 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 392 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: Supposedly, if you're in the demographic that they're shooting for 393 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: in release and you're at this thing, as you're trying 394 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: to leave, they might come up to you and be like, hey, like, yeah, 395 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: this is just kind of the schlubby audience. You want 396 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: to be part of a real focus group, come with us, 397 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: And then you follow the stranger to a second location. 398 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you follow them to a van with a 399 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: little round window in the back. 400 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: That's been covered over with a black plastic bag? 401 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got dark it did. So the big thing 402 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: they're looking for, though, the money question is would you 403 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: recommend this movie to a friend. That's the one thing 404 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: they want to know, and that is where you're going 405 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: to get your overall score that they really are going 406 00:18:59,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: to hone in. 407 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: On, right, And they want to know that so bad 408 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: that if they don't say I definitely would, Yeah, they 409 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: don't even count that. Yeah you can say like yeah, yeah, 410 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: maybe probably nope. So a movie. A movie gets a 411 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: score at the end, and it's based apparently exclusively on 412 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: whether or not you said you would definitely recommend the 413 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: movie to a friend. 414 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, out of one hundred people, they will score. 415 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: That so yeah, or out of however many people. But 416 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: for example, out of one hundred, yeah, if sixty people 417 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: say that, yeah, I guess I would recommend it to 418 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: a friend, and forty people say that they definitely would, 419 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: that movie got to score forty terrible, not even like 420 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: a like you can't even take into account that yeah. 421 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: Probably you have to say you definitely would recommend it 422 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: to a friend to get a point for that movie. 423 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they said in this article, I'm sure there's 424 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: a huge caveats on a sliding scale, but uh, anything 425 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: over eighty they think they're in pretty decent shape. I 426 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: would guess eighty percent a low the average, they said. 427 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: A lot, a lot less than eighties lately, he asked me, 428 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: except of course for Mad Max x Makina. That was 429 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: a pretty great movie. So good, they ask in this article. 430 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: That makes you wonder, like when you when a train 431 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: wreck of a movie comes out, like what happened? Did 432 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: they focus scrop it, Did they test screen it? Did 433 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: they ignore it? 434 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 435 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: Like what what? How does that thing get released? Is 436 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: the question? 437 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: Or are you asking me? Yeah? 438 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: Well, I mean no, I'm just throwing it out there. 439 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: I'm not the one who's been the one of these 440 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: tests creating. No, it does make you wonder though, like 441 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: they probably didn't they didn't screen it, or the the 442 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: people who had edit rights didn't care to listen. But this, 443 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: this article keeps picking on glitter, which seems mean because 444 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stinkers out there. Apparently Human sevent 445 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: pede three has the I think it came out recently. 446 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Is this the one in prison? I don't know. I 447 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: think it's the first, like hundreds of people. 448 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has the lowest Metacritics score of all time. 449 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Really you saw the first one? 450 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you seen it? No, dude, it's definitely worth seeing. 451 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: Really Yeah. 452 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: I just think I get it just by seeing the trailer. 453 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: You would No, No, I mean there's no real surprises 454 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: beyond what you've seen in the trailer. But it's not 455 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: even appreciating it in an ironic way, even taking it 456 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: on its own terms. You're kind of like it's worth 457 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: seeing at least once like can't be disturbing or yeah, okay, 458 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: but not like not like hostile can't be disturbing. Have 459 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: you seen Hostile? 460 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't think that was very campy. 461 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: It was just straight up disturbing. This one already disturbing. Yeah, 462 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: the guy was definitely going for an already bent despite 463 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: the premise of the movie. All right, but yeah, there's 464 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: some disturbing stuff. 465 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if that guy has anything left 466 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: in his bag of tricks. Because you can only go 467 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: mouth the butt for so long. 468 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: What's what's can't be disturbing? Give me an example of 469 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: that thing? 470 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh, I think like like a reanimator type of thing. 471 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I see, yeah, hostels not can't be 472 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: dis reanimator definitely is. 473 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: Can we talk about Tom Cruise for a minute and 474 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: how obnoxious this move was. 475 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he really believed in the way the 476 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: editing process was already going. 477 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he crashed his own test screening of Mission Impossible 478 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: three allegedly and ran in there and lo. 479 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: Was like, Hey, everybody, I'm Tom Cruise. 480 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: Let's high five each other. 481 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: Enjoy the movie, give me a couch to jump on. 482 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean can you believe that that totally negates the 483 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: purpose of an audience screening because everyone there. I'm sure 484 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: there were a few people who are like, oh, I 485 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: hatred got too weird though, but the rest of people 486 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, Tom Cruise just came into 487 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the very test screening. Yeah, like, they probably din't feel 488 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: good about writing negative comments, right, you know. 489 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: He white over here. He might want to hang out 490 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: with me after this, and I want to be able 491 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: to tell him that I gave him high marks. 492 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: I can't believe he did that. I can't believe he 493 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: did that. 494 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I can too. So by the way, Also, 495 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: there's a really interesting long form article in La Weekly 496 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 2: from about a year ago called how YouTube and Internet 497 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: journalism destroyed Tom Cruise our last real movie star. And 498 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: it's it's not an apologist's view, but it definitely defends 499 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: him against a lot of it's just read it. 500 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm still a fan of his acting in most cases, 501 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: Like that Edge of Tomorrow movie was terrific. 502 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen it yet and I've heard nothing 503 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: but good things about it. Yeah, it was really good. 504 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: But no, I can still watch his movies and separate 505 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: that from the wacko in real life. 506 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: This is yes, this is defending his acting as well, 507 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 2: but it's defending as that public perception of him as 508 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: being a whack go Yeah, and he basically like really 509 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: kind of pulls apart like all the layers and you're like, 510 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: oh yeah, Like it really goes to town stressing that 511 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: he never jumped up and down on the couch, right. 512 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: He just jumped up on the couch. 513 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: Exactly, But they go to great lengths to point out 514 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: that that is not the same thing as just off 515 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: handedly saying, oh, yeah, he jumped up and down on 516 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: that couch like he was crazy. Yeah. No, he jumped 517 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: up on the couch once and then stepped down or 518 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: something like that. So it's a really great article, really 519 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: interesting because he's just been like kid for so long now. Yea, 520 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: it's really it's almost surprising to see somebody step up, 521 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: not as like a crusader on behalf of Time cruise, 522 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: but just more to be like, everybody put your knives away. 523 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Well, I think the knives are out, not just because like, oh, 524 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: he's a scientologist and people think that's weird. It's like 525 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: when you dig down into scientology and find out the 526 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: things that he abides by like the slave labor to 527 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: decorate his cars and to wash his truck. And you 528 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: know that makes you kind of I'm not a good person, 529 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: you know. 530 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you mean. 531 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Like that's beyond like, oh, that's just a strange religion. 532 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: That's like people are being paid fifteen cents an hour 533 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: to take care of me. 534 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: Oh, if they're being paid, that's not slavery. 535 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: That's true. That's a good point. 536 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: What was the what's the name of the Was it 537 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: an HBO documentary? 538 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: Going clear? 539 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: Going clear? 540 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Based on the book Going Clear. 541 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: I saw the guy who wrote the book come speak. 542 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: Oh really, that guy likes something that I don't remember 543 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: his name, but like, I mean, how whatever you think 544 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: of his book or his journalism, that guy had brass ones. 545 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: Oh really, he's the one who did it. He's the 546 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: one who went after scientology when no one else would 547 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: touch it. Oh yeah, he's the guy who did And 548 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: apparently five million lawyers read that book before it was 549 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: ever published. 550 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: I think HBO supposedly had like one hundred attorneys when 551 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: they went to adapt it as a documentary. 552 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is after it had already been vetted 553 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: by all of the lawyer in the book publishing world. Yeah, 554 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: it's good. 555 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the great book. All right, let's take another break here, 556 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll talk about some of 557 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: the more famous examples of movies that have been changed 558 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: due to audience screenings. 559 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: It's gonna be so good, so chuck. There's there's some 560 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: legendary changes to movies that have been made over the years. 561 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: Like we mentioned the Wizard of Oz. Good that was 562 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: not a change actually, but like a test audience suggested 563 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: it be taken out somewhere over the rainbow apparently. Also 564 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: very famously, James Bond's movie Licensed to Kill Yeah, was 565 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: originally called License Revoked. Yeah, And even after all the 566 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: promotion material posters have been made, they changed the name 567 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: because American test audiences were like, I don't understand what 568 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: the title means, like his driver's license was revoked. Yeah, 569 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 2: and they were serious. 570 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so weird. I mean it sounds like 571 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: a like a Queen Latifa comedy license, you know, like 572 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: where she's a bus school sassy school bus forever. 573 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: And the like the K and the R backwards or 574 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: something like that. And the poster. 575 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, she's a sassy, pretty Woman. The movie, the 576 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: Sacraine feel good movie from Richard Gere and Julia. 577 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: Roberts apparently not started out as Sacra. 578 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: No, this is hysterical to me. It was originally titled 579 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: three thousand, based on the amount of money it costs 580 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: to hire a hooker for a week. Sure that would 581 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: like made no sense. 582 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently they changed the name, not because of the test, 583 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: is because the execs were like, sounds too science fiction 584 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: y and they were right. 585 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: They were right, Pretty Woman, it's a much better title 586 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: for that for that movie. 587 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 588 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: And then apparently it was had a lot darker edge 589 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: when it was in script form, and it ended with 590 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: Richard Gears's character kicking Julia Robert's character out of his 591 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: car and driving away. That's how it ended. Not very 592 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: rom commy. 593 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: No, no, well it wasn't. 594 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: A rom com It was Gary Marshall. But see what 595 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: I want to know is. 596 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: Gary Marshall, he's a rom COMMI director. 597 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. He made that, like what 598 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: I want to It seems to me like all that 599 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: would have changed with Gary Marshall, not like in test screenings. 600 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's what happened. And then what the 601 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: test audience. The hand they played was that they're like, 602 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 2: you need to change that ending. Okay, got they need 603 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: to get together. 604 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Right, Fatal Attraction famously changed. Yeah. 605 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: So the ending of Fatal Attraction apparently has Glenn Cose 606 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: Glenn Close, who's Michael Douglas's former one night stand turned stalker, 607 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: killing herself flitting her own throat. Yeah, pretty good with 608 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 2: a knife with Michael Douglas's fingerprints on it. And then 609 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Michael Douglas is arrested for her murder. 610 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it's supposed to, they don't show trials 611 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: and things, but it ends with him going to prison. 612 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a great ending. Glenn Close loved it. 613 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: She was very sad when audiences were like, Nope, we 614 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: hate this character so much, like she has to be 615 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: killed off. She can't kill herself, somebody has to kill her. Yeah, 616 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: and just for good measure, make it the wife. 617 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Well that makes sense because I think people people weren't 618 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: rooting for Michael Douglas in that movie either because he 619 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: was such a jerk right toyed with this woman left her, 620 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: had this great wife at home and kid. So people 621 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: I think they said, you know what would go over 622 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: the top is if the only sympathetic character in this movie, 623 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: which is Ann Archer, is the one who does it 624 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: right and that was effective, I'll give it to him. 625 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but apparently Glenn closes like the original ending was 626 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: way better. 627 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: She washed her hands of it. Did you ever see 628 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: Scott Pilgrim Versus the World? No, it's a good flick, 629 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: the original, and that one had him had his character. 630 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: Ending up with his. 631 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: Love interest knives Chow played by Ellen Wong instead of 632 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: his dream girl Ramona Flowers, and the test audiences didn't 633 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: like that and said, basically, this guy spent the whole 634 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: movie annoyed by this girlfriend and pining for this other 635 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: girl and defeating her evil ex boyfriends. He can't just 636 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: not end up with her at the end. It's very 637 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: anti climactic. So they said, all right, we'll change it. 638 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: And that's what it was in the graphic novel too, 639 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: so I know why they changed it to begin with. 640 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: Who knows, So they went back to the original ending. Yeah, 641 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: that it was of the material is adaptive. 642 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: From that's right. 643 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty in pink. Yeah, this one's pretty famous too. 644 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: I'd heard this many many years ago that originally they 645 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: had Molly Ringwald ending up with John Cryer with Ducky 646 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: rather than Blaine Andrew McCarthy, which, by the way, I 647 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: saw Weekend at Bernie's again recently. It's a No, it's 648 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: not that bad. Really. Yeah, it's very thin. Well it's 649 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: one it's one joke. Yeah, but the. 650 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: Boy they take it in so many directions. 651 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty funny, and it's amazing how young Jonathan 652 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: Silverman and Andrew McCarthy look, I mean young. 653 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the guy who played Bernie, who, like I 654 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: don't think ever did anything else. No, I never saw 655 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: him to anything else. 656 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: He threw out the ball at like a Los Angeles 657 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: Dodgers game or San Francisco Giants. 658 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Gamers nineteen eighty seven. 659 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, like last season. Really, I don't remember 660 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: the reason why, but it was like he's been working 661 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: out that character for a long time. 662 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: You know, it would have been genius if they would 663 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: have had Silverman and McCarthy out there like grabbing his 664 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: arm and throwing the ball for him as if he 665 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: were dead. 666 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: It would have been great. 667 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: That would have been pretty good. I think they call 668 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: that meta these days, Yeah, they do, or metas already 669 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: out it's like, so two years ago, you know, uh, 670 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight days later you saw that one, right, Yep, 671 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: that one ends with Jim's Cilia Murphy's character dying in 672 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: the original ending, and his people were going to rescue him, 673 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: just like going back out to fight the zombies again. 674 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: Right. 675 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: They are like, no, that stinks. 676 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: I love this guy. Yeah, so they he recovers. Yeah, 677 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: didn't end in like a field or a meadow. 678 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: Or they're in the field and I think they see 679 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: a plane. 680 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Danny bow is like, oh, you want a 681 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: happy ending, Yeah, give you you're happy, stupid ending. Here's 682 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: your stupid ending. Chi kuna, you stupid audience. 683 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I like the ending, though I don't. 684 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: I like both. 685 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't mind a happy ending when it's done well. 686 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: But I also like dark endings. Yeah, you know one 687 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: of the It doesn't have to be one or the other. 688 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: What about the opposite dark beginnings in un dark beginnings 689 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: like with Sunset Boulevard. 690 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: All right, go ahead and break it down. I don't 691 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: know that one. 692 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: Oh have you ever seen Sunset Boulevard. No, that's on 693 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: my list as a classic movie for a reason. It's 694 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: a truly great movie. But apparently at the beginning of it. 695 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: Originally they had Bill Holden's Corpse, the character he plays 696 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: corpse talking to other corpses in the morgue, explaining how 697 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: he got there. Oh wow, and audiences were like, is 698 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: this a comedy? Like what is going on here? Apparently 699 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people walked out and Billy Wilder, the 700 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: director was there, yea, and some lady told him to 701 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: his face that it was a steaming pile and maybe 702 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: didn't know it was him or something like that. But 703 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: the the legend goes that she told them to his 704 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: face like this is terrible and so steaming pile. He 705 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: reshot the beginning to where it's Bill Holden's corpse, but 706 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: it's a voiceover and he's not talking to other corpses 707 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: in the morgue. 708 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: But it's not a comedy, right, it's not at all. 709 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: Maybe because it was Billy Wilder, people had an expectation. 710 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's some parts that you wonder like, 711 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: did he mean that to be like kind of funny, 712 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: like in a really dark way. 713 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: Maybe? 714 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite possible. But great, I need to see that. 715 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: I love Billy Wilder. 716 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: You should watch it like tonight, doesn't matter the mood 717 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: you're in. It doesn't matter what you got going on. 718 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: Just you could watch Sunset Boulevard and be like, this 719 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: is a great movie. 720 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Heathers, did you see Heathers? The regular ending? Well, 721 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the yeah. The ending they went with was 722 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: Christian Slater's character wants to blow up the school gymnasium 723 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: during a basketball game, and Veronica what's her faces? One 724 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: on a Writer's character shoots him dead, stops it and 725 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: ends up bonding with the outcast girl. Yes, and the 726 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: original ending and the script I don't think this was 727 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: an I don't think it was shot. But she kills 728 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Christian Slater's character, straps the bomb to herself and blows 729 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: up the school, and everyone has prom in heaven and 730 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: like everybody gets along. The nerds and the geeks are 731 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: all like living in harmony. Huh yeah, not bad. You're like, yeah, 732 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: I could see that. Blade Runner perhaps the most famous 733 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: changed ending of all time. 734 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: I had not heard that. 735 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, the original ending of Blade Runner was 736 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: very dark, and that's the one that ended up in 737 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: the director's cut, Ridley Scott's Director's cut. 738 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: What was that in me? 739 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: Basically that Harrison Ford is going to die, well that 740 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: Rachel Ward is going to die because replicants have expiration dates, 741 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: and is Harrison Ford a replicant or not? And I'm 742 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: pretty sure the director's cut leaves it ambiguous, even though 743 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: I think Ridley Scott came out years later and said, yeah, 744 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: he is a replicant. 745 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: So in the in the audience tested version, he turns 746 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: to the camera and says directly the audience, Nope, not 747 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: a replicant. 748 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: Not quite end, but they all that terrible voiceover narration 749 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: was added, you know, in the non director's cut, and 750 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: they had the happy ending with infamous blue Sky shot 751 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: the Only Blue Sky, and the whole movie was then 752 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: like driving down the road at the end and explaining 753 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: the voiceover that, well, not all replicants have an expiration date. 754 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: You're special, so you don't have one, so we can 755 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: just live together in harmony. And that. 756 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: Grave probably so. 757 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: But that shot of the Only Blue Sky, it wasn't 758 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: even from that movie. It was pulled from outtakes of 759 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: the shining, the beginning car scene and the shining when 760 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: they're driving up the road. So yeah, Blade Runner really 761 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: screwed that one up, and really Scott, of course was. 762 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: He was not so happy about that. 763 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: I can imagine this masterpiece. And then somebody tax on 764 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: outtakes from the movie. Yeah, weird bad. You got anything else? Nope, okay, 765 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: I don't either. We could probably do this for a 766 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: while though, because there's plenty of other movies that were 767 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 2: changed thanks to audiences. But if you are ever in 768 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 2: a line at a movie theater and somebody trustworthy seeming 769 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 2: comes up to you and I A see you, if 770 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 2: you want to be in a test audience, give it 771 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: a shot. 772 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and big thanks to Mental Floss for all. A 773 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of that list stuff came from one of their articles. 774 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. 775 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got. 776 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: And if you want to know more about audience testing, 777 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 2: type those words in the search bart howstuff works dot com. 778 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail. 779 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this oceans are cool if I pay attention. Hey, guys, 780 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: love the show. I used to listen every day when 781 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: I rode the trains from Brooklyn and to Manhattan to work, 782 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: But recently I started to work in Brooklyn close enough 783 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: for me to buy too, so I don't write trains anymore. 784 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: They're pros and cons for that. On one hand, I 785 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: save over one hundred and ten dollars a month in 786 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: MetroCard fees, don't have to wait for trains, which adds 787 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: another twenty minutes to the Google Map travel times. On 788 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: the downside, when it rains, it's tough the bike to work, 789 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: although I am learning to love that. And the other 790 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: con is that I don't have time to listen to 791 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: you guys as much. Since it's very detailed. I'm paying 792 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: attention is key if I want to enjoy the show 793 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: and I need to keep my thoughts on the road. 794 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: My commute is also down to fifteen minutes, which doesn't 795 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: help much either. I need to reconcile this fellas. This morning, 796 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: I tried to listen to The Ocean's episode while doing 797 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: some work on my computer. Was it long before I 798 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: knew I'd missed something critical. At some point, riptides were 799 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: defined and laddered up to equatorial wins, a connection I 800 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: recall from taking oceanography in high school. But I did 801 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: not understand when I wasn't paying attention this morning. When 802 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: I used to listen on the train, the show had 803 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: my undivided attention. Now I'm trying to find a new 804 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: time to listen. Maybe I'll save up shows and binge 805 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: them on a nice long bike ride. And that is 806 00:38:52,520 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: from Andrew negrosche nigrsh di gros Negros something like that. Interesting, 807 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: I've never heard that name. 808 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: Well, thanks a lot, Andrew. We appreciate you getting in 809 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: touch with this. We hope you figure this out. This 810 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: sounds like a terrible conundrum. Maybe just get a new. 811 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: Job that requires Yeah, yeah, go work in Vermont. 812 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, a problem solved. If you have 813 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 2: a problem that you want Chuck and I to solve 814 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: for you, like we just did for Andrew, you can 815 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: tweet to us at SYSK podcast. You can join us 816 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 2: on Facebook dot com, slash stuff you Should Know. 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