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Speaker 1: Hello, zeich Gang, and welcome to the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: During these two weeks surrounding Christmas and the New Year,

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Speaker 1: some new holiday and end of the year content that

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Speaker 1: would usually drop the Trends episode, we are rerunning the

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Speaker 1: ten most popular episodes of this year according to you.

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Speaker 1: You voted with your dang years and we listened with ours. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we looked at the data we're spying on you. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm mostly in this podcasting thing for the rich marketing

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Speaker 1: data it provides to me about each and every one

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Speaker 1: this was actually my favorite year to look back at,

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Speaker 1: our top ten is full of episodes I feel like

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Speaker 1: are some episodes that dropped after huge news events. There

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Speaker 1: are some first episodes that dropped right after some hilarious

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Speaker 1: news events, some great new guests, some classic fan favorite guests,

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Speaker 1: and some new formats we tried out that We're very

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Speaker 1: excited to see that you guys enjoyed. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into it, I just want to thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: once again being such a cool community that's bloomed up

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Speaker 1: around this podcast we've been doing all these years. You

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Speaker 1: guys repeatedly make us proud. You're there for us when

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Speaker 1: we go through some really difficult shit. You show up

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Speaker 1: at shows of our guests, and we always get great

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Speaker 1: reports from our guests about our listeners. You are the

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Speaker 1: rare podcast audience that makes us extremely proud to have

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Speaker 1: you as listeners. So far, so don't funck this up,

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Speaker 1: you guys, and we are up to the top three

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Speaker 1: and coming in at number three is an episode called

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Speaker 1: Icons number four. So many numbers here. Icons number four

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Speaker 1: Arnold Schwartzegger with John gabriis one of our new iconograph episodes.

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Speaker 1: Great match of guest and subject matter. It was a

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Speaker 1: that you enjoyed listening to it. It is our number

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Speaker 1: three most popular episode of the year. Enjoy Hello the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to this iconograph episode of Alley Zeitgeist. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's horny to that. Also, the noise you make when

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Speaker 1: you're horning instead of Instead of looking at the Zeike

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Speaker 1: guys through current events once a week, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: the Zekes through the lens of the powerful pop cultural

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Speaker 1: horcruxes that are our icons Einstein, Erkle, Miss Piggy. So far,

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Speaker 1: we use these characters and celebrities to create meaning, build identity,

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Speaker 1: to create the greatest soundboard in the history of mankind.

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Speaker 1: Oh stop whining, I'm a copy idiot. Learn room for

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Speaker 1: my face because with the remit in the istomic to

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Speaker 1: look like with an early lesson I took from our

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Speaker 1: subject today. But most importantly, we learned that sometimes a

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Speaker 1: It's just how it over it. That's right. Episode four,

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Speaker 1: we're talking Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Austrian oak A man who

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Speaker 1: Something I've learned during the course of researching this episode.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Jay McNab who provided the research dossier

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Speaker 1: on this one. Speaking of the research dossier, stick around

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Speaker 1: for the end of the episode for my note book dump,

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Speaker 1: where I give you my final thoughts and little information

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Speaker 1: nuggets I didn't get to in this conversation. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined as always by my co host, mister

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Speaker 1: Miles Graun. Oh man, that's say.

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Speaker 2: It's just me, man, Its just me, nothing else, nothing

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Speaker 1: In our third seat. One of the greatest comedians, improvisers,

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Speaker 1: of my favorite podcast, Action Boys on Patreon, which makes

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Speaker 1: him one of our foremost Schwarzenegger scholars. It's John Gabra.

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Speaker 3: When I am on the Daily Zeitgeist is like, I

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Speaker 3: am calming all time. When you're saying my name, I

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Speaker 1: Believe how much I'm in Heaven? Did you hear I'm

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Speaker 1: on Daily Zeitgeist? You of them coming?

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Speaker 2: I went to high school a Luf Fergnoll junior whoa

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Speaker 3: To a point Arnold understands where his bread is buttered.

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Speaker 3: Like he'll just go on late night talk shows and

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Speaker 3: We adapted for Arnold. We changed movies so that Arnold

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Speaker 2: When my father arrived in Leningrad, he was all pumped

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Speaker 3: Other perspectives, but I really like Arnold talks about it.

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Speaker 1: What one thing like, yes, he has spoken on that

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Speaker 1: telling director John Millius, I don't like Schwartzenegger. He's a Nazi,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and for some reason, that's I know where that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has had like multiple open heart surgeries,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that steroids are not, and yes

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Speaker 3: he has done them. But if you remove steroids from it,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is interesting, just like talking about the

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Speaker 4: So yeah everyone, sorry, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: He's an alien like like like there's like Hulk has

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Speaker 4: They all look like chemists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all like five eight one sixty five glasses

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Speaker 3: He he fucking looks awesome when he's swinging the sword,

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Speaker 3: when he's carrying the wheel of pain, he fucking and

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Speaker 3: it's like he knows. I refer to this once on

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Speaker 3: like in awe, and you're like a little kid, and

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Speaker 3: You know, this is what I want to look like

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Speaker 4: A machine guns.

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Speaker 3: Grow up, I'm gonna definitely grow up and be a

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Speaker 3: Special Forces probably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna drive a bulletproof Chevy Suburban.

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Speaker 1: So he broke into the world of film with Hercules

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Speaker 1: producers that Schwartzenegger had been a Shakespearean actor in Vienna,

435
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: and they're like all right, like sure, and then he

436
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: showed up and again it's like that, you know, you

437
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: need to tell that lie to get him in the door.

438
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: But then he shows up and everyone's like this guy

439
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: actually like really fucking works on film.

440
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: Is not great.

441
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: His dub is weird, but he you're watching him and

442
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 3: you're like, this dude's a fucking star. There's not a

443
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: time where you don't say that. Early on in his career,

444
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: it's like it's like undeniable. His like you can't take

445
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: your eyes off him. And he is really charismatic in

446
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: sort of like the annoying jockway, but like he's got it, like.

447
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: Face taste, you know, he got figured out. Yeah. He

448
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: also appears in like I didn't realize that I was

449
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: watching The longa Robert Altmans The Long Goodbye. He shows

450
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: how he's like a Jack Henchman and that he's in

451
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: a movie called Stay Hungry that was like an Oscar

452
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: buzzy movie that earned him a Golden Globe for Best

453
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: Acting Debut, even though it wasn't really his debut, but

454
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: it was like the first time that awards people noticed

455
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: it or he spoke maybe yeah, the first time he

456
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: had actually spoken on film. He also at this time

457
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: worked with a very serious acting coach who in the

458
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: book The Last Action Heroes talked about how he was

459
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: like eventually very impressed with his work. He did like

460
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: all the Stanislavskian ship, like this is the second invocation

461
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: of the Stanislavsky method with Arkle.

462
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

463
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: No, with Miss Piggy. Actually, like how uh frank Oz

464
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: came up with her backstory was like just writing freehand

465
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: art backstory dark, super dark backstory from Miss Piggy. I

466
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: believe it.

467
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: I gotta imagine based on how how powerful she's become.

468
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: She came from a lot, She came from a heart.

469
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: Her mom had so many pigs. What was it like

470
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: her mom like her mother too.

471
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: Many pigs that she never developed her mind was one

472
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: of the things. And then she had so many pigs.

473
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: She'd never developed her mind, and her dad was like

474
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: fucking around and then like the only way for her

475
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: to like survive was like winning beauty tests and she

476
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: was like, I'll never go back there. I think there

477
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: was like a mass killing two in there. But I

478
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: don't remember, but uh, he said the guy the acting

479
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: coach specifically, I called out two impressive moments in the

480
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: workshop that I thought were funny. One is where he

481
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: inhabits the body of a child opening a present on

482
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Speaker 1: Christmas morning, and she said he made the other people

483
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: in the acting class cry, which just trying to picture

484
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: Arnold like doing that.

485
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: This is one percent alive, but it's that's ot. I'm

486
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: picturing it now and trying so I might tear up laughing.

487
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: I know, I'm even trying to imagine what would that

488
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: performance look like where I'm so touched, like even without

489
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: even it being.

490
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Arnold with an adult doing this. Yeah, like one guy

491
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: who's just been like presumably like hitting on every woman

492
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: stopping this.

493
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: Guy suddenly get spaghetti string racer back tank top on

494
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: with like his lepels and traps showing, and he's got

495
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 3: like cut off gold gyms, super shorts on, barefoot, just

496
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: going like I don't terrible man.

497
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: Gets it something he would do in like Twins and

498
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: like some of those movies where he like plays an

499
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: innocent you know, just kind of like uh, yeah, I

500
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: don't know, like new to the world. And then the

501
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: other that he said was like really impressive was where

502
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: he like did this non linguistic growl and utterance, like

503
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: you invoke an animalistic, non linguistic growl and utterance and screams,

504
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: which sounds like it's like the when I think of Arnold,

505
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: I just think of you know, like all those like

506
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: noises that.

507
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's so funny that he crushed that part

508
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: of the acting. Damn, this guy can and he's really

509
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: the best for them in the max bench press portion of.

510
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Everybody. But he does also like kind of become a

511
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Christmas icon. And it's interesting to note that like the

512
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: only movie he ever directed, he directed an episode of

513
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: The Tales from the Crypt and then also a made

514
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: for TV like Hallmark Christmas remake of Christmas in Connecticut,

515
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: So he's there's something with Christmas there that will probably

516
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: never get to explore.

517
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: But I feel like Germany, Europe, Poland, Eastern Europe, Vienna,

518
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: like that's Austria. It's very like Chris Christmas. Yeah, it's

519
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: like that.

520
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: Everyone says, like the Christmas markets in Austria specifically are

521
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: like everyone models like whenever you see like a Christmas market,

522
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: they're all referencing like Austrian German Christmas markets.

523
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: And some of your most precious white female friends will

524
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: tell you that I just want to go to Vienna

525
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: for Christmas, like really, like I don't know anything about it.

526
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: I want to go to Mexico. It's it's well because

527
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: my cousin just married someone who's from Austria and he'd been.

528
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, Austria's fucking sick. And everyone I know

529
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: who's been there's like, do Vien sick?

530
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? Echotomy.

531
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's because how bad shout out Twins

532
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: real quick. That was the I heard in an interview

533
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: on Nerdiced where he was back in the day. That's

534
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: the most amount of money he's ever made on a movie.

535
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that like set him up financially for the syndication kids.

536
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: No, because yeah, they didn't want to make it because

537
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: like Arnold can't carry a comedy. So Arnold, Danny DeVito

538
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: and I think it's rightman. They all say. They all

539
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: worked for scale if with huge amount of points, and

540
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: then the movie was an absolute unknown, massive hit and

541
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: they all made insane money on it, which is makes

542
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: me so happy. Also, Arnold was already doing very well

543
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: for himself. Because when he arrived in America, him and

544
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Franco Colombo, another bodybuilder, they were doing masonry work and

545
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: doing all this like labor, but he invested his bodybuilding

546
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: winning in like an apartment complex first, like somewhere on

547
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: the west side of La so American.

548
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: He was so American.

549
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: Someone told like an American businessman, maybe someone in his

550
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: team or something like that, said this is what you

551
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: got to do. And then he like owned a bunch

552
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: of properties for a while, like buying that nineteen seventies La.

553
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: You know, if you held on to it till now,

554
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: you're a fucking like Robert Baron.

555
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: That's so fun.

556
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know that.

557
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Like there's a clip from a couple of years ago

558
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: where he tried to make a joke about making a

559
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: million dollars that fell so flat, like on a radio show.

560
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: And now it makes sense to me because he was

561
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: he was making some landlord ass money like to start off.

562
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this clip, but.

563
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: He's like, easiest way to make money.

564
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: The first and most important thing is you know, everyone

565
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: tells you that the first million is the hardest to make,

566
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: so started with the second million, right.

567
00:30:53,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Uh, huh wow, Hello, Oh my god, wake up, wake up.

568
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: A breakfast show here. You need to get pumped up.

569
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Any kind of joke falls flumped up off the lines

570
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: of your government.

571
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, anyway that makes that's because that's such rich

572
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: guy humor too.

573
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: When you're like, yeah, so I was just like, I'm

574
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: not an awful joke.

575
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: I would say, if you're hosting Arnold on your show,

576
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: you gotta laugh at his jokes.

577
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: I think a job. I bet you Arnold never does

578
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: that show again.

579
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: I think they probably just couldn't connect. Like his delivery,

580
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: they're like, oh joke, yes, thank you.

581
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Smiles didn't pause that in the middle, that that silence

582
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: was him just looking at waiting.

583
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: For them wow, And you're like, oh, it must have

584
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: video must be over.

585
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: Then he goes hello, and you're like, oh my.

586
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: God, well this is a breakfast show.

587
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: You got just wake up.

588
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: But just overall, like the thing about him investing the

589
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: money smartly, like according to everyone, he is a sponge

590
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: who's like constantly focused on learning, like McTiernan in Predator,

591
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: like cast Carl Weathers, because he's like, that's the best

592
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: action movie actor that I've seen. And he's like I'm

593
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: going to put him in Arnold's way, and Arnold will

594
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: just like drink up and learn from him. And so

595
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: he is essential like the he is a terminator. He's

596
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: just this like super processing. Yeah, Q asshole, Dylan, you

597
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: son of a bitch.

598
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: You got to put your pencils down there in the CIA,

599
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: and thank you for teaching me how to act.

600
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: All of that, all all his early work though from

601
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: Hercules in New York, and his background work was overshadowed

602
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: by the massive success of a weightlifting documentary called Pumping

603
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Iron Goddamn, which is it's easy to see why those

604
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: movies weren't quite as successful, because at no point in

605
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: those movies does he get to say that weightlifting is

606
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: like coming, and then Myles.

607
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Would like to read, oh wow, it's as satisfying to

608
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: me as coming is, you know, as having sex with

609
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: a woman.

610
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: Then coming, So all up the first sentence by clarifying

611
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: what's not.

612
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: I refuse to say it's jerking off. Yeah, it's gay

613
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: to jerk off with a.

614
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: Human woman, and you coming, And so can you believe

615
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: how much I'm in heaven? I am like getting the

616
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: feeling of coming in the gym I'm getting the feeling

617
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: of coming at home. I'm getting the feeling of coming

618
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: backstage when I pump up. When I pose it from

619
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: the five thousand people, I get the same feeling.

620
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: So I'm coming day and night.

621
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's terrific, right, So you know, I'm

622
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: in heaven so awesome.

623
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: And he will later retract that and say, like, I

624
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: was joking, I knew I and I will. I think

625
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: he may he actually believes this, or believed it at

626
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: the time, but he also does know how to get

627
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: sound bites and how to fucking Yeah. When you watch

628
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Pumping Iron, it's a Rosetta stone to like why anyone

629
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: like why he's you just see he's so and he

630
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: didn't play a villain a lot in his career, but

631
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: he is fucking nearly evil in Pumping Iron.

632
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: Like he's like mustache swirling bad.

633
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: Guy in a way, like manipulating the people around him

634
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: who are like his best friend, like lifelong best friends

635
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: who are going to continue working and like being his

636
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: friend for the rest of his career. And he's like, yeah,

637
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I kind of fucked with his head, yeah, into being

638
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: worse than me.

639
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: Right, there's the famous if it bleeds. They're making of Predator.

640
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: It's like an hour long feature at you can find

641
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: it on YouTube. He had some crazy ongoing prank or

642
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: competition with Jesse the body Ventora who could have bigger biceps,

643
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: and he had the wardrobe department keep taking in the

644
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: biceps on the sleeves on Ventor shirt.

645
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 4: So he thought he was getting pumped up, but he wasn't.

646
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 6: Oh they make him complacent basically, yes, And then they

647
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: were doing they were doing a thing where they were

648
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 6: competing so much who could work out more and earlier

649
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 6: that eventually like they were like secretly opening the gym

650
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: that they had shipped to South America to film, like

651
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 6: or in Mexico wherever they I forget where they film,

652
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 6: and they're like fucking like going in at three thirty

653
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 6: in the morning, three in the morning, two thirty, like

654
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 6: racing to see who when you go to the gym,

655
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: who's already there working out.

656
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like, that's that's so fucking funny.

657
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: That's like childish behavior over like, and these are all

658
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: people who are like making millions.

659
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: It's so awesome, right, that's so funny. Yeah, that set

660
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: and I mean that movie is both like when I

661
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: first saw it, this did not hit me, but it

662
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: is like a satire of masculinity and like they're you know,

663
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: shooting at this alien and like completely you know, unloading

664
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: clips into the jungle and like just impotently you know.

665
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're all like they're all like dry shaving

666
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: their uh, taking their shirts off, knives they're u limped

667
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: dickt f slurs before and then like you know, like

668
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: everything everything about that movie and also arguably like sort

669
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: of anti American interventionism too.

670
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: Right, It's like when we.

671
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: Arrived there, they end up like they're like hunting with

672
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: an alien, but they the CIA does get them to

673
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: like blow up a fucking full base full of locals.

674
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Like there's no explanation as to like what the local

675
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: dynamics are or whatever, and it's like it's such a

676
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: it's a more there's so much more going on in

677
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: that movie than you think. And then the idea that

678
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: like this is the second team that they send in

679
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: and the first team just got fucking murked and none

680
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: of them know about that. It's like the most fucking

681
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: disposable American soldier shit ever.

682
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

683
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is almost like they're they're making a commentary

684
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: that going in and intervening in a jungle could go

685
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: badly for America. Yeah, I don't know where they're I

686
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: don't know where they were pulling that from. So his

687
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: first truly iconic role is Cone and like he's the

688
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: titular role in Conan movies and Watch It came about

689
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: thanks to pumping Iron. The director John Millius says that

690
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Arnold said, treat me like a trained dog, which again

691
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: going back to it, he's just like, I don't give

692
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: a pot, Just tell me anything and I'll do it.

693
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: He would like get cut and like there would be

694
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: like he'd be bleeding and he'd be like does it

695
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: look good? How am I posing? And then they would

696
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: just like keep rolling with it, moving along with the

697
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: like fascist stuff. It's about an alpha male who battles hippies. Essentially,

698
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: the script was by Oliver Stone, but then it was

699
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: like whittled way down and directed by Millius, who calls

700
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: himself a zen fascist zen fascist, and Arnold said he's

701
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: so far to the right that he wasn't even a

702
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Republican AKA ahead of his time, I guess. So this

703
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: becomes like one of his first roles. That's so iconic

704
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: that people just start calling him that. Like when when

705
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: you read about when Cameron's trying to cast him in Terminator,

706
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: people are like, you're gonna cast Conan in Terminator, and

707
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: then like after Terminator people are like, you can't put

708
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: Terminator in the you know. But like he's he's choosing

709
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: his roles pretty wisely.

710
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: If you zoom out, Yeah, if you zoom out and

711
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: see that this guy who is this physical specimen but

712
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: is not quite there english wise or acting wise, yeah,

713
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: you cast him as a nearly silent tribal warrior who

714
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: fucking kills a bunch of people with swords. And then

715
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, what else can he do? He's like,

716
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: how about a robot?

717
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: Robot?

718
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

719
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: Fuck, it's great, Like just the idea of like like

720
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: what what a way to like fucking make your way

721
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: into the huge movies that were huge because of him too?

722
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: And but he gets to just They're like okay, and

723
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: this like that'd be like all right in this you're

724
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: playing a fat New York podcaster gabers.

725
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: This is your first job. I hope we can pull

726
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: it off. You're like, fuck, yeah, you're from Long Island.

727
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: I think I can do which exit off the twenty

728
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: five South Perfect? All right, I love it. It's actually

729
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: two away for mine, so we're gonna need to rewrite.

730
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: But so Cameron didn't originally have Arnold in mine for

731
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: the Terminator, as we were saying, he wanted Lance Henrickson

732
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: for the role who played Bishop, which is like, it's

733
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: such a profoundly different movie, but like it makes more

734
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: sense on paper, because yeah, why would the robot need

735
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: to be shredded and have an Austrian accent if.

736
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 4: It be enormous and like, yeah, he would not blend

737
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: at all.

738
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: He can and it makes no sense. Yeah, but it

739
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 3: fucking hurts.

740
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 7: I know.

741
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I like it. That version probably works because James Cameron

742
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: like knows what he's doing, but there's no arguing that

743
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: it would have worked as well as it does with Arnold.

744
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: No, and he got his Lance Hendrickson type with the

745
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: T one thousand.

746
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: Uh that guy Robert Patrick. Robert Patrick and Lance Erickson

747
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: are constantly being confused in my head. So it's like

748
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: it's good casting, right, like think but also just like

749
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: going back to the initial point, like think about if

750
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: a brand that it is playing, Like think about if

751
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: the T one thousand was yoked again.

752
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, now they're like bodybuilding.

753
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: Ripped because that juxtaposition made the T one thousand more terrifying.

754
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. I love in interviews

755
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: it's going around again.

756
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: When Cameron said the reason he made a T one

757
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: thousand a cop was because they kill indiscriminately, don't give

758
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: a fuck about humans, and like all this stuff, and

759
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: he's like, what better disguise for a person to be

760
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 3: able to do whatever they want to whoever they want

761
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: and be awful.

762
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, like hell yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's what

763
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: Like he in Terminator won. He was like, he it's

764
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: kind of good that he's foreign seeming, because everybody's afraid

765
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: of Russia, and Russia is like always the one that

766
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: starts the nuclear war in both movies, they're just like

767
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: fucking Russia. But he didn't want to even meet with Schwarzenegger.

768
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: They made him. He was like, I'm gonna like pick

769
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: a fight with him, I guess during lunch and before

770
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: he left, he told his friend, if it doesn't go well,

771
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: you can have the chair and the stereo, which I

772
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: think is just a funny window into how big a

773
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: deal stereos were for that generation of course.

774
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the highest, the most expensive thing in

775
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: anyone's house.

776
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, your Macintosh amplifier. Yeah. But Linda Hamilton was like,

777
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm a trained Juilliard actor and this guy is Conan

778
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: was like this, this is a bad idea, Like this

779
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: will just be a blip on my career. And then

780
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: she went and they weren't on camera a lot together,

781
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: and so she went and like watched one of the

782
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: scenes where Arnold was like doing his thing in a

783
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: parking garage and she was just like, oh shit, Like

784
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: he just like he knows how to like his physicality

785
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: and like how he moves in that movie. She was like,

786
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna work really well.

787
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like his like lack of mobility, he moves

788
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: very well in Conan, like he's he's wheel you know,

789
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: he's leaping around wheel and stuff. But he's a little

790
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: stiff because he's a giant. He's the Austrian oak, oak

791
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: chest and Terminator. It totally benefits him quick decide about Terminator.

792
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: Something we learned figured out on Action Boys, or noticed

793
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: on Action Boys is that the entire premise of the

794
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: Terminator movies require Linda Hamilton to let a time traveling

795
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: dirt bag raw dogger, Like she has to.

796
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: Let Michael Bean fuck her. Wrong, Kyle reason has to

797
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: finish in her in order for the Terminator movies to happen.

798
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: And that's such crazy. Thank God.

799
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: This guy, who I think is a homeless lunatic, I'm

800
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: gonna let him fucking finish it for.

801
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: The world ends.

802
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, a cream pie saves the world.

803
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Sarah, This guy Kyle kind of stinks. No, he's from

804
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: the future and I gotta bang him to save the world.

805
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: He said, Does she know that the part where they

806
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: have like is she on board at that point?

807
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: No, I don't.

808
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: She's on board with like maybe the reality of it,

809
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: but she doesn't know. Like it's like they're about to

810
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: make John Connor, which is such a funny specific because

811
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 3: John Connor sent him back. Did John Connor say like, Hey,

812
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: this is my mom. You have to be my dad,

813
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: Like you have to go fuck my mom.

814
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, it's the opposite of back to the future.

815
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: You have to go back and fuck my mom. I

816
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: mean it's it's a romantic scene.

817
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 7: They're making pipe bombs and he's like, I fell in

818
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: love with you the second I saw that shitty photo

819
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 7: of you from our Son from the Future and then

820
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 7: they have sex that fucking wild.

821
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cameron has said that for Terminator to you know, obviously,

822
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Arnold's character suddenly becomes the hero, but he was initially

823
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: meeting with Cameron to play the Michael Bean role, which

824
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: does make more sense because like, if it's a human,

825
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: they have to be strong to set back. Yeah, you

826
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: send back a human that looks like Arnold to fight

827
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: a Terminator that looks like Michael Bean. But I think

828
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Arnold just inherently understood like this is what I would

829
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: be good at, and then at a deep animalistic level,

830
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: my name will be the name of the movie and

831
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: I'll get to kill a lot of people, which we're

832
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: about to get into was was important to him. I

833
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: feel like there's like some part of his brain that

834
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: is like the same part of the like people's brains

835
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: that were like when you take a picture of someone,

836
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: you capture their soul, like wing photo photography. Like he

837
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: really like placed a lot of weight on like how

838
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: many people he got to kill in movies, and you know,

839
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: can't beat that with regards to the Terminator. But yeah,

840
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: Cameron has come out and said, like the reason a

841
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: cop is the bad guy in T two is cops

842
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: think all non cops are less than they are stupid,

843
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: weak and evil. They dehumanize the people they are sworn

844
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: to protect and desensitize themselves in order to do that job,

845
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: which fucking rules. Okay, So Schwarzenegger came away from reading

846
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: the script for Terminator Too with like a worried look

847
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: on his face, and Cameron's like, whoa what this is?

848
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: This is fucking perfect, And he was like, I just

849
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: like don't get to kill anyone in the script that

850
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: was he was like bummed that he didn't get to

851
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: kill anyone. Oh, man, Like this is this was a

852
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: big deal to him because I like it was one

853
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: of the pieces, like one of the pieces of data

854
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: that was like kept track of in his rivalry with Stallone.

855
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Back at Cracks, we like once made a video counting

856
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: all the kills in Commando and that was by design.

857
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: You know the scene where he's just like going into

858
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: the uh Valverde yeah and just like yeah, yeah. But

859
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: then like there were there are parts where it's just

860
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: like five seconds of just like him shooting like waves

861
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: and waves of like indiscriminate bad guys. They do that.

862
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: They do the ultimate cut, the ultimate like eighties action

863
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 3: movie cut where you see Arnold spray in M sixty

864
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: like fifty times. Then it cuts to fifty guys just

865
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 3: leaping out of different cover like, oh, we all got

866
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: hit in that one.

867
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: It's awesome. They added that scene because I think it's

868
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: one one or the other. He had just seen Rambo two,

869
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it was. He had seen

870
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: Rambo two and was like he got like a lot

871
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: of he killed a lot of people in that movie,

872
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: and so they like added scene. They were literally taking

873
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: extras who had just been shot and like spirit guming

874
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: a mustache onto their face, like differentiate them back from

875
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: there and then just being like get back out there

876
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: to be killed again. Oh, that's so awesome, man, for

877
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: all the hating.

878
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: So stallone should have taken the role of terminator, because

879
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: wasn't he offered the role? Like, didn't he didn't Stallone

880
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: turn down the terminator role?

881
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Stallone episode is gonna be crazy like their

882
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: their rivalry. So let's let's get.

883
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: Into the episode. Allow me to say I'll be back.

884
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Rights. Hey, it wasn't I got rights three. I assumed

885
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: that like The rivalry between the two of them was

886
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: like made up in my child mind, you know, because

887
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: they were like the two big, strong guys. But it

888
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: was not I want to I want to just tell

889
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the stop where my mom will shoot. Yes, oh yeah, yes.

890
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: But this is a quote from Arnold Miles that just

891
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: appeared in the Yeah yeah, yeah, this is this is

892
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: from Arnold.

893
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: Yes, we were movie rivals, but we took the competitiveness

894
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: to the extreme. We had to have the best body

895
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: to kill more people in our films, and we had

896
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: to have the biggest guns.

897
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, they were counting and like literal dick measuring guns. Truly,

898
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: they were just keeping tabs on how many people they killed,

899
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: and like Stallone was on lettermans. Then after a while

900
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: I started to like competition, this one upsmanship. He'd get

901
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: a bigger gun, I'd shoot more people, He'd shoot more people.

902
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: And so I think probably definitively and Gabers, I want

903
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: to get your official scholar's opinion on this, but I

904
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: feel like fourth Nager one right, like his movies did

905
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: better than Stallone's and it's all there's just the.

906
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: Rocky one in Oscar, that's true.

907
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: So there's like this one thing that that Schwarzenegger doesn't

908
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: have that Rocky had that Stallone had.

909
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger probably doesn't give a shit about that, right.

910
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because he was like governor, like you

911
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like he he won like a

912
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: million times over. Yeah, And I think history will be

913
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 3: kinder to Schwarzenegger than Stallone too. Stallone has maybe more

914
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: duds in his but Stallone has always been a little

915
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 3: bit more of an artist than Arnold too. Like Stallone

916
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: wants to be Robert de Niro, right, Arnold wants to

917
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: be Superman, not the actor, the aracter. But I think

918
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: you're I think I think the competition. I also think

919
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: we're talking about two guys who come across as really

920
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 3: dumb but are probably a little more savvy than they

921
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: for sure, And I think they understand k fabe and

922
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: a rivalry between two big guys will benefit.

923
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Both of them kind of, you know what I mean.

924
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: And so then they get to make the escape plan

925
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: and we all go and it's like it's like heat.

926
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: It's like dumb heat, you know.

927
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: Dumb heat fifteen years too late. I do like the

928
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: dreamcask in my mind, and I don't know if I

929
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: would want to change a perfect film, But it does

930
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: seem like if they had been able to get over

931
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: the rivalry and make sure it's an egger ivan drago

932
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: like that, it would have broken the world. Like that.

933
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: That movie already did incredibly well for a movie that

934
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: is like I think forty percent montage. Yeah, but you know,

935
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: like that that would have fucking destroyed people's brains.

936
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, arnold, Like and you see it with some of

937
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: the big actors now where their ego gets in their

938
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: way of like interesting choices, like where it's just like

939
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: I can't have Sly beat me up, and it's like,

940
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: but okay, cool.

941
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally everyone in the world would have seen it.

942
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you would have gotten one more kill

943
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: than him in that movie.

944
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, kill your boy. Fuck yeah, Carl Weathers.

945
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: That's right. It just wasn't properly pitched to him.

946
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any backstory to like, I feel

947
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: like the movie posters for Cobra and Terminator are very similar,

948
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, like where Terminators like he's got like a

949
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: gun like this Cobra Stallone is also doing it with.

950
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: Like a bigger gun, though he's not he doesn't have

951
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: a pistol. He has like a little.

952
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: Exactly are you really going for the exact same composition

953
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: of a movie poster?

954
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: And Cohn It's like no. It also has those weird

955
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: like techno vibe, like the aren't there like those music

956
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: video shoots in there that kind of look like.

957
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: Up Nels is like shooting music videos with robots.

958
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Right. So I wanted to talk about Bridgitte Nielsen in

959
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: a second because she started out working with Arnold and

960
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a good kind of summation

961
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: of who they were. So Arnold and Brigitte Nielsen co

962
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: starred in one of the Conan films, and like her

963
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: quote on it is like the set lights wouldn't be

964
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: out and we'd be off fucking each other. We like

965
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: we did every single thing to each other's body. He's

966
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: the like reads like a romance novel. Yeah, and then

967
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: Stallone goes on to marry her and like tightly control

968
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: her career and like she couldn't be in anything that

969
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't involved with. And then when she was finally

970
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills Cop two, he called Eddie Murphy and

971
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: accused him of sleeping with her. Like it just seems

972
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: like he's like fueled by insecurity, and Arnold is just

973
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: this like bounding, confident puppy, Like, yeah, he's like a

974
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: giant Golden Retriever with his lipstick out. Yeah yeah, yeah,

975
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually Arnold and Brigitte hit it off in

976
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: Red Sonya, which is not a Conan movie. Red Sonya

977
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: is red Sonya, and then Arnold plays exactly a character.

978
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: Like Conan, but named like a name of thing different.

979
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like it's just like, yes, we can't

980
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: legally call him Knan, but he's a barbarian who fucks

981
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: a chick with his sword in this movie.

982
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Yes, And he also they he said that they shot

983
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: him from like three different angles in every shot that

984
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: he was on, so like they could just like stretch

985
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: the footage as much as possible because he was just like,

986
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this, and they're like, yeah, no,

987
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: you're just here for a couple of days, and then

988
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: they're like he's actually the star of the movie. But yeah.

989
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: So the one thing that Arnold always had the ability

990
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: to do, which is weird because he doesn't like seem

991
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: like that funny of a person necessarily, but he could

992
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: always do comedy and that drove Stallone crazy, and so

993
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two he decided to fuck with Stallone

994
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: this is and tell him that the movie Stopper my

995
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: mom will shoot. That script was going around and he

996
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: said that he read the script. It was a piece

997
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: of shit. Let's be honest. I say to myself, I'm

998
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: not going to do this movie. Then they went to

999
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: Sly and Sly called me, have they ever talked to

1000
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: you about doing this movie? And here, I'm gonna give

1001
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: you the quote, Miles so you can read it.

1002
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: And I said, yes, I was thinking about doing it.

1003
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: This is a really brilliant idea of the movie when

1004
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: you hear that. Because he was in the competition, he said,

1005
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: whatever it takes, I'll do the movie.

1006
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: And of course the movie went major into the toilet,

1007
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: major into the major toilet. It's so awesome. That movie

1008
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: is fucking bad and weird. You guys, you don't just

1009
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: cover the good ones on action.

1010
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, we haven't done Oscar yet, which is all

1011
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: which is slies other attempt at comedy that fucking failed hard. Yeah,

1012
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: Arnold just has a better sense of humor, even about himself,

1013
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: which I think is like the thing that makes him better.

1014
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: The Rock doesn't have that, like none of none of

1015
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: our modern maybe Sena does, but none of our modern

1016
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: people have that about themselves, like you know, like everyone's

1017
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: too self serious or like worried that you know, like

1018
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 3: that nineties toxic masculinity mentality of like, well, if I

1019
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: make fun of myself then and everyone knows I'm a bitch, okay.

1020
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Then what then I might become gay or something.

1021
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone will think I'm day If Kevin Hart mocks

1022
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: me in a movie, No, I should Hart in half.

1023
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: In this movie Predator, I think arguably his best movie.

1024
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I Don't Know Ta Too is probably my favorite of

1025
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: his movies, but it's a really great movie. His muscles

1026
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: are used for comedy and like that. That also gets

1027
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: to the question of like does how much is he

1028
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: aware of it? And how much is he just willing

1029
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: to let himself be used by directors in the way

1030
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: that like he like kind of finds the right people

1031
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: to work with and then lets him do their job,

1032
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: Whereas that seems to be the exact opposite of Selester Stallone.

1033
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: He gets like guys that he can bully and be

1034
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: in charge of and fires the initial director and then

1035
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: gets like some guy who he can just like put.

1036
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: Your more or less.

1037
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

1038
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: Arnold's strong suit is like a trust in directors and

1039
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: like a ability to go like, I don't fully understand

1040
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying in this scene, but you just tell

1041
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: me how to say phonetically and I'll get it out.

1042
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: Yes.

1043
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: And then you watch sly.

1044
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: Movies and realize, like English, what was Sylvester Sloan's first language?

1045
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: Rock?

1046
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 3: He sounds like that and English is the only language

1047
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: he spoke in his life.

1048
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: The only other detail I learned about Predator in this

1049
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: from Jam is that there was they had a problem

1050
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: with their water filtration system. The cast got sick. As

1051
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: far as I know, this is the only Arnold Schwarzenegger

1052
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: movie in which he shipped his pants during the filming.

1053
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: And I bring that up only because of a loose theory,

1054
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: because that's also true of Harrison Ford and Raiders of

1055
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: the Lost Arc all the all the desert films are

1056
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: filmed while he's like running off to ship his brains

1057
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: out because he was like incredibly sick. Also true of

1058
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: the most iconic moment of Michael Jordan's career. I'm just saying,

1059
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: when you have to. When you have to lick focus

1060
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: your mind on not shitting your pants, you do some

1061
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty iconic work. We don't know, Like it's not it's

1062
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: also not something that like Einstein would have said, like

1063
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, when I came up with the equals MC square,

1064
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I was shitting my back out of my button up pants.

1065
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a loose theory.

1066
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 2: It's a loose stool that led It's a really yeah,

1067
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: I mean that's inspired me.

1068
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: Jack.

1069
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: I think next week I'm gonna do we'll do the

1070
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: diarrhea episodes to see if that changes my performance here

1071
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: on the.

1072
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 4: Put theory of dire relativity.

1073
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry relativity. Kindergarten Cop gave us the soundboard, which

1074
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: I do think is like one of the most iconic

1075
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: things about his career.

1076
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: Reinvigorated him in a weird way and it really made

1077
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: him in like crystallized, like a joke version of Arnold

1078
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 3: that then he got to like push against by becoming

1079
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: a politician. Like it was like there's like this weird

1080
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: thing where this is like he's a household joke with

1081
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: the fucking soundboard, which we were all obsessed with that

1082
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: shout out eBaum's world for giving you like fucking six

1083
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 3: years of fucking joy and Howard Sterns where I first

1084
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: heard it too, but then he survives becoming like that

1085
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: much of a fucking joke somehow, which is just crazy.

1086
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: That's impossible. This soundboard still exists.

1087
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: Dude, who is.

1088
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 4: Your daddy and what does he do? Who is your daddy?

1089
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a bunch of questions. Uh

1090
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: huh I have answered immediately. Who is your daddy? And

1091
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: what does he do for me? Who don't know what?

1092
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: This is? Our yoga listeners? Like it was just it's

1093
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: like a pool string toy, but like you know, you

1094
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: can like hit everything, and it like gives you all

1095
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: these different lines from Schwarzenegger. And it was used for

1096
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: uh great like prank call effect on many a radio show.

1097
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: And but I also think like something I think it

1098
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: was Rogers said on Action Boys that I thought was

1099
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: really smart is that both as a movie star and

1100
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: like just how we thought of him, he's just an

1101
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: action figure that you like dress up in different things

1102
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: and like make do different things. And like that's why

1103
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: I think the soundboard works so well, is because it's

1104
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: basically the pool string toy for like pre Internet shit

1105
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: posters where you can just like use Arnold quotes to

1106
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: just like do whatever, like use it as many times

1107
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: as you want.

1108
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: And there's no scene where he's a child opening up

1109
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 3: a package making the audience cry watching the movie. Like

1110
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: everything he says is like weirdly.

1111
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: Ah, you know, and it's like all right.

1112
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: My favorite one was he called the Gator Lodge was

1113
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: one where confuses this old woman. Those are the best

1114
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: videos or though I guess they were just you know,

1115
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: audio clips at the time, but I think, like to

1116
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: your point, it really was sonically, Arnold Schwarzenegger is just

1117
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: in your sub conscious on this in this way that

1118
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: you also got excited at the idea that someone was

1119
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: just laughing in your face, playing blatantly Arnold Schwartzenegs And

1120
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: they're like who is this And they're like, Detective John Kimball.

1121
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 8: You fucking it's Detective John Kibble. You idiots idiot, you idiot. Okay, hey,

1122
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 8: Bennett's let off some steam. Yeah, remember when I told

1123
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 8: you I'd kill you last I live. My friend is

1124
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 8: dead tired. Commando. Commando is the most full of those,

1125
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 8: like you're Commando and kindergarten cop.

1126
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Kindergarten Cop is the one that like has

1127
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: so many of my favorite Kindergarten Cop like weirdly is

1128
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: one of the ones that kind of looms the largest

1129
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: in my memory other than Terminator two. Like Terminator two

1130
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: is the most burnt on my brain movie of my life.

1131
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: But Kindergarten Cop just really like every reviewing you go

1132
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: back look is like this really shouldn't work. Why does

1133
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: this work? But it like really fucking does.

1134
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: The Bad Guy is like too scary for like a

1135
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: movie that also features children and Arnold, Like it's like also,

1136
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: it's like our first time we see Arnold and a beard, right,

1137
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: like and my guy and I'm a big fan of

1138
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: Arnold with facial hair and he has a fake beard

1139
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: in the beginning of that movie. And those weird little

1140
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: like fucking shooter glasses. It's like very it's that is

1141
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: that was Jack? I kind of get what you're saying

1142
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: because we were young when we saw it exactly. I

1143
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: was kind of like, you know, the other movies were

1144
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: like grown up movies, but this felt like a movie

1145
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 3: that we were like allowed to see. And so then

1146
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you feel like, wow, imagine

1147
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: if your fucking teacher, Like had a gun.

1148
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 4: You not to think about it would be sick.

1149
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: My dad he's a guynecologist and he looks at vaginas all.

1150
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: It was a time before that was actually a political

1151
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: talking point that all teachers should have guns. But yeah,

1152
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: Like I haven't really been able to get Arnold much

1153
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: in front of my kids because like, I don't want

1154
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: their first experience to be jingle all the way, because

1155
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like that good of a movie.

1156
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: And so I was going to show them. I was

1157
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: going to show them Kindergarten Cop. And then I listened

1158
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: back to the actual boys. You're like, there's like a

1159
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: drug overdose in this. Yeah, Like I don't want to

1160
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: get on the wrong idea about drugs.

1161
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I know you will be using them

1162
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: wisely in our house exactly.

1163
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 4: Both of my kids know where the narcan is.

1164
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 5: You got test strips, man, It says we have to

1165
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 5: learn to use the Yeah, we're gonna go get our

1166
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 5: fedyl vaccines today.

1167
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: His comedies are like again, all of this shit, like

1168
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't make any sense on paper, Like Twins is

1169
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: a deeply fucked up eugenics story, Like it begins in

1170
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: a top secret government lab where scientists are attempting to

1171
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: create a physically, mentally, and spiritually advanced human being. And

1172
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: the narrator has like a thick Austrian accent, so it's

1173
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: like it doesn't make it seem like it wasn't about

1174
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: x Nazi doctors trying to create a master race. And

1175
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: then kindergarten cop is like gun toting policeman again goes

1176
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: undercover the most conspicuous human being on the plant, Like

1177
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: if that guy was just a cop, he would be famous.

1178
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: How fucking cool he looks. And then Junior, Yeah.

1179
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Twins is like maybe your best bet to show kids,

1180
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 3: but it's like all adult themed. It's not like it's

1181
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: not like really fucked up, but it is like too,

1182
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: like I couldn't imagine kids holding their interests like about

1183
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: almost like if Conan wasn't so scary, that would be

1184
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 3: the one that makes the most sense. But it's a

1185
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: touch spooky with like snake worshippers and shit like that.

1186
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am very interested to see, like if his

1187
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: appeal still holds, you know, I'm sure it does. Right,

1188
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: It's still like these movies are good. But then I

1189
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: thought that about Jaws and my son was like, it's

1190
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: almost as good as the meg too, So.

1191
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know it's hard.

1192
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: You're like fucking with the modern attention span, which is

1193
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 3: just like it's like modern consumption is on just a

1194
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: different frequency than we had growing up.

1195
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we.

1196
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: Kind of had no choice but to be like, well,

1197
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: Jaws is what's on. I have to like set my

1198
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: brain to be able to sit here for this, which

1199
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: we'd barely ever see a shark. And then you're a

1200
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: kid and you just get baby Shark, and then all

1201
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're like, who cares about Jaws when

1202
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: there's baby Shark?

1203
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Why is the shark singing? Why does Chief Rody not

1204
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: open the video by being like, hey, guys, you know,

1205
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 1: talking directly to me. We're at the kind of part

1206
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: where his career starts to go away a little bit,

1207
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: starts to go downhill for the first time. He's like

1208
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: kind of invincible for a long time. Two things that

1209
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: happened in the early nineties. One is playing at Hollywood,

1210
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: which was like a massive deal at the time, but

1211
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: it just it fell apart pretty quickly. The food Suck

1212
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger pulled out in two thousand he was notoriously bad

1213
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: at pulling out early enough. Uh and the one time

1214
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: he put one time, he pulled out one time actually

1215
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: pulled out on top. And then the Last Action Hero

1216
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: was like the big the big one. It was everybody

1217
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: was like focused on it, so it got like watered

1218
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: down by studio notes. It doesn't like totally cohere. There's

1219
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: some like really good stuff in it, but like.

1220
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: An insanely good concept that they just fall a little

1221
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 3: short on. And I remember loving it as a kid

1222
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: and or it loved it at least wanting to love it,

1223
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: and then rewatching it as a grown up, You're like, man,

1224
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: this could be so much better. Yeah, they also movie

1225
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: to remake. Everyone on these remakes movies that everyone loves

1226
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 3: remake a movie that kind of sucked because it had like.

1227
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: Kind and yea, yeah.

1228
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: He was also listening to many discs I think, like

1229
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: in his stereo in his car stereo. Just like technology.

1230
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: It's like a satire of action movies that like doesn't

1231
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: really get a lot of action movie like tropes are

1232
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: like there's a cartoon character walking through the police station.

1233
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: He's like always throwing dynamite around.

1234
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck is that he keeps calling

1235
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: f Murray Abraham Salieri too. It's like that's Alma Dais what.

1236
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: Are we talking about it. They also made a pretty

1237
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: confident decision by deciding to release it the same day

1238
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: as Jurassic Park, which didn't go well. Oh wow, same

1239
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: day June ninety three, What a time erected a gigantic

1240
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: inflatable Schwartzenegger in the middle of Times Square. But it

1241
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: was like kaijuicized and holding a bundle of dynamite, and

1242
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: it was three days after the World Trade Center bomber.

1243
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: She had to immediately move it out. They also put

1244
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: the title of the movie on a NASA Space shuttle,

1245
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: spent five hundred thousand dollars to have it on the

1246
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle launch, and then it got delayed till like

1247
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: five months after its release date. It was like, that

1248
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: is a like it would almost be at that point

1249
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: like terrible luck for the NASA mission to like write

1250
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: that movie's name on it. But it was also just

1251
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: like in terms of action heroes, this is like Diehard

1252
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: has come out, Batman has come out, like lethal Weapon,

1253
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: and you're starting to see people kind of trend towards

1254
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: more normal sized action heroes. It's just like people are like,

1255
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of weird that that is

1256
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: as fucking massive as he is.

1257
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: Right because much like the Brad Pitt paradox, or you know,

1258
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: like if Arnold's movies were any more realistic, like every

1259
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: scene would just have people stopping him on the street

1260
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: going like what the fuck? Or the picture with your arm,

1261
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: the brad Pitt one is like, dude, you are fucking hot.

1262
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: Like every situation would just be absolutely ruined by like,

1263
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 3: wait a minute, dude, you're fucking hot.

1264
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: You're a carpenter. Dude, I'm wearing glasses and have a

1265
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: bucket hat on, so nobody's gonna even pay attention to me.

1266
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: But just a quick anecdote from that time, Bruce Willis

1267
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: says that after Diehard, he walked into a restaurant and

1268
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: Arnold was already there, and he like called across the

1269
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: dining room, do you know why You'll never be an

1270
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: action hero? And then he flexs and he goes tooth

1271
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: pick arms true eyes, I will say, is a incredibly

1272
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: islamophobic but very watchable. This like late career part of.

1273
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: There with you don't mess with the Soohan, Yeah, it's

1274
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: a fun fucking movie.

1275
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: But you can't believe it, you know, they're like, wow,

1276
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 3: it's like really kind of Oh yeah.

1277
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy.

1278
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 3: I'll do anything for that. Jamie Lee Curtis strict sequence.

1279
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it sexy, do it slowly, do some more.

1280
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: And even there he's doing he's kind of using a soundboard. Yeah.

1281
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: Well yeah, like in Running Man when he's picking out

1282
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:20,480
Speaker 3: his woman, Sleezy like that's a great one boardline Tozy athletic.

1283
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: His his You know, we we can offer all the

1284
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: cultural commentary we want on why we think his movie

1285
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: career faded down the stretch of like the nineties. Here.

1286
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: His theory is that it was when he fixed the

1287
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: gap in his teeth. He recently told Glenn palell Uh

1288
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: during like the Running Man movie run up that he

1289
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: thought it was he should have never fixed the gap

1290
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: in his teeth.

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: He might be right, but that's definitely not what it was.

1292
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: Some people just start making bad choices, like money and

1293
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 3: team like shit gets in the way and you just

1294
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 3: start choosing stuff Like Arnold had like accidentally great taste

1295
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 3: for what he would put you know what I mean,

1296
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 3: Like like it just made like he would he was

1297
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 3: in things that were so perfect for him and he

1298
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 3: never like stretched too far. But then he would do

1299
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 3: like Eraser and stuff, and you would be like, these

1300
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: are bad versions of stuff.

1301
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 4: He's already done.

1302
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look at it, if you think like, okay,

1303
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: true Lies ninety four, you're Harry Tasker. A great next

1304
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: movie is Junior, Yeah you know, then Eraser, then Jingle

1305
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: all the Way. You're like, oh, yeah, it's cresting now, yeah, yeah,

1306
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And.

1307
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: Jingle all the Way would be a fun like career,

1308
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 3: like aside if he kept the other shit going on,

1309
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: but Jingle all the Way became, then he was just like,

1310
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 3: oh this is who I am.

1311
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I think also like as you lose

1312
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: the heat, like no, you're no longer working with James Cameron.

1313
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: Now you're working with whoever directed like you know some

1314
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: of these movies. And then it's like you don't have

1315
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: Danny DeVito reteaming with you in Jingle all the Way

1316
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: as he was supposed to. It's like, although symbat's great,

1317
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just like he stops having It's

1318
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: hard to like sustain a thing like that. And I

1319
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: always remember like Batman and Robin. Him coming into that

1320
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: world felt like an admission of like being a failure,

1321
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: like he had given up because it's just like, no,

1322
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: this is like the thing where they have to paint

1323
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: on your muscles, Like you don't you don't have to

1324
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: do that. You're fucking in a suit. Due. Yeah, So

1325
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, my career is slowed down. I'm

1326
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: going to become the governor of California. He does. There's

1327
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: like a recall election, a bunch of celebrities, Gary Coleman runs,

1328
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 1: He runs. Everybody treats it as a joke. At first,

1329
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: he's doing like just terminator puns the whole time, but

1330
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: then he wins and becomes like an actual politician. Uh,

1331
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: and this is where we come to. You know, he

1332
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: was bad. He had like, you know, he fought gay marriage,

1333
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: and by saying that gay marriage should be between a

1334
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: man and a woman, you know, the sorts of malapropisms

1335
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: that you know you can edit out of a movie.

1336
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: But then it becomes like thing that everybody.

1337
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're a lawmaker, it hits a little different.

1338
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. But there there was this moment where

1339
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember Barbara Bush like

1340
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: showed up with a cast and they said that she

1341
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: like slid down an icy hill on a saucer sled

1342
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: and that's how she broke her leg. Arnold recently told

1343
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: the true story, which I'm gonna put in the Chat

1344
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: Free Months.

1345
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: It was snowing up there and we had this toboggan

1346
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: and Bush was trying to teach me how to slide

1347
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: that because I was only used to sledding down with

1348
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: Austrian sleds, which you direct kind of with your feet,

1349
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: and so we went down totally out of control, and

1350
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: of course we crashed into Barbara Bush, who broke a leg.

1351
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: Then after that, Jesus, we.

1352
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Just trucked poor Barbara Bush, and of course we crashed

1353
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: into and of course we crashed when he says like

1354
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: and of course.

1355
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 3: And of course we are crashing and like because we

1356
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 3: talk about it like he has like these like rolling

1357
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 3: dialog and of course we are. And then I am here,

1358
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 3: I am on the dailiese Geist, I am talking to

1359
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 3: Miles and Jack, and I know I am here with

1360
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: Jack and Miles, and we are having fun and we

1361
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 3: are talking about the sled and of course I'm sledding

1362
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 3: and I'm sledding on with with Miles and Jack like

1363
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 3: he like it's kind of you know, He's like, I

1364
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 3: am here on the Tonight show to talk about Collateral,

1365
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: and he's Collateral is the film I am.

1366
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Coming out of this Collateral. Yeah. He just keeps going, Yeah,

1367
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: that's I think the coolest thing he ever did as

1368
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: a politician was, well.

1369
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 3: It's so funny because I remember being I was not

1370
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: very politically minded, uh for a long time in my life,

1371
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 3: and I remember being like, oh, that's cool, Arnold's the governor.

1372
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: And then like some people whose opinions I liked as

1373
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 3: a young kid were like, he's like not, he's not

1374
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 3: that like cool, Like he's got he's got like bad politics,

1375
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh okay. And now, as like a

1376
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: grown up, I'm like, fuck, Like imagine Arnold was like

1377
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: what the right was a dream come true? And they're

1378
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 3: just actually are only about taxes somehow and not about

1379
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: like policing every fucking choice every person makes.

1380
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, pro choice, but no healthcare. Yeah right,

1381
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the status quo, warm warmer progress.

1382
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, he said on Nerdus.

1383
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: Chris Hardwick asked him Uh, is there any law you

1384
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: would change if you could as a lawmaker? And he

1385
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: said it is obvious, but I would change the president

1386
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: has to be natural boy, Like he.

1387
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 4: Would change the rules so he could run for president.

1388
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's at the time, You're going like, yeah, right,

1389
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: but a celebrity winning.

1390
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 4: President, I got no, man, I would kill that.

1391
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: Well. That is like one of the reasons we wanted

1392
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: to do this show is like to like have more fun,

1393
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: but also, like, you know, icons are powerful and like

1394
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: they become they take on a life of their own,

1395
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: and like Donald Trump was just a cartoon rich guy. Yeah,

1396
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, like you just I think we have a

1397
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: tendency to like misunderstand what they become, how people became

1398
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: kic and also like the power that they have over us,

1399
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: and like I feel like he kind of he's been

1400
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: a critic of Trump, but it's hard not to see

1401
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: that his political career is like a template for Trump's rise,

1402
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: where he's like a wealthy megastar who has just like

1403
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: presented himself as an outsider underdog who could fix the problems.

1404
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: But for the twenty years before he was a politician

1405
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: with bad politics. You liked him so like you know,

1406
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to shake that. Like Trump, no one liked Trump,

1407
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: but no one hated him either. He was like this

1408
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: rich douchebag, and then he got like a TV show

1409
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: and he was like kind of weird and kind of

1410
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 1: funny and gaudy, and you were like, oh, it's fucking crazy.

1411
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: And then you're like, he's in my life. He's someone

1412
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: I recognized. And then when he's like, oh, I'm running

1413
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 3: for office, a lot of us went like that makes

1414
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: no sense, and a lot of us were like I

1415
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 3: know him.

1416
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 4: They're like, oh no, I hout for him.

1417
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: I know his name. He's not the ball determinator. Yeah,

1418
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: he's Actually he's very rare show he does. He knows

1419
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,520
Speaker 1: how to get rich for everybody.

1420
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 4: So I'm going to be rich.

1421
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: I'm quoting like six of my family members in one

1422
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: when I say that, right, right, right, exactly. Yeah. I mean.

1423
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: There were lots of scandals in line with his run

1424
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: for governor. Shortly before the two thousand and three election,

1425
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: LA Times published a story documenting a long history of

1426
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: sexual misconduct, with at least fifteen women claiming they were

1427
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: groped or harassed by Schwartzenegger, and then in twenty eleven

1428
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: his marriage, he married into the Kennedy family Maria Schreiber,

1429
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: and it was revealed that he had fathered a child

1430
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: with their housekeeper, which came to late because the kid

1431
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: has ever looked more like Schwartzenegger before.

1432
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,440
Speaker 3: It's funny because Christopher looks more like him than Patrick Doestrick.

1433
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 3: Patrick has Kennedy jeans, which of course are beneficial. Christopher

1434
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 3: is like big, square jawed, handsome, Like it's very but

1435
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 3: I look, it's fucking you know, wear a rubber when

1436
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 3: you have affairs with employees.

1437
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: That's a little lesson that we're taking away.

1438
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 4: That's amazing to take away.

1439
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 3: But I would also say, like it's bad, it's fucked up.

1440
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 3: But the fact that he's like loves and accepts Christopher

1441
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 3: is so fucking real, Like it's so Joseph is that Joseph, Joseph,

1442
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: Joseph Joseph h. Patrick is the one from White Lotus.

1443
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 3: Joseph is the Yeah, yeah that's the one we bought

1444
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: a jeep. Yeah, it's just so like it's funny, like

1445
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 3: it's he's just like, yes, he's I had affair with

1446
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 3: but he's my son, and yeah, I was the governor,

1447
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: like he's just like that's the power he like he's

1448
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: he has where we're just like a, come on, Arnie,

1449
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 3: what's twenty women reporting sexual assault?

1450
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:42,879
Speaker 1: Your conen?

1451
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 4: What did I just say?

1452
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: He's not even because he's not a person in a

1453
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 2: weird yeah idea.

1454
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm like, I.

1455
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't think Arnold Saker is a person,

1456
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: to be honest, He's like, again, he's a fucking g

1457
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: I Joe toy that you just fucking pose in different things.

1458
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: Allegations were not shocking to anybody who's seen that Brazil video.

1459
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: There's a video from early, very early in his career

1460
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: where they send him down to Brazil, and uh, it's

1461
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: one of the wildest things. It's like the most overtly

1462
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: horny anyone's ever been on camera, Like uh and yeah,

1463
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: I mean he's like grabbing women's asses who are like

1464
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: you can see sama dancers who are like pushing his

1465
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: hands off of is.

1466
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: They're like dancing around him, like doing like carnival dancing,

1467
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: and he thinks it's a strip club and he's like, yeah, yeah,

1468
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: let's get let's let me grab you by the way shorty,

1469
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: and it was yeah, it's it's pretty just everything, even

1470
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 2: his interactions like with like that one woman, like he's

1471
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: like feeding her carrots and.

1472
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: Shiit no, no, no no. It's wild, but overall like

1473
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: a very weird, a very weird career that just like

1474
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: I do wonder how much it's gonna fade over time,

1475
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: Like do you guys think those movies are going to

1476
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: make sense to people in like even like thirty more years,

1477
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: is it going to be like Pauly Shore movies, you know,

1478
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: where it's just like this was the thing that people

1479
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: were obsessed with and like studied more sociologically. Some of

1480
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: the movies are just like too good and undeniable, But

1481
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: it does also feel like thirty years from now people

1482
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: will look back and be like, it's so weird that

1483
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,480
Speaker 1: he's like this giant fucking.

1484
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh right, Like is it more of a thing that

1485
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: people like are like, oh okay, I get it, or

1486
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: it's like one of those things and you're like, what

1487
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 2: the fuck were people back then and think.

1488
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 3: We're anti seat belts, you know, like like that shit

1489
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 3: when you're just like we smoked on planes.

1490
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: This guy clearly no one's asking why he's talking like

1491
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: this in the reality of the film, right, Oh, all.

1492
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Right, guys.

1493
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, if if film still exists, I'm sure

1494
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: there'll be very interesting ways to discuss what the trends

1495
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: are and stuff. But fucking up, it is funny, Jack,

1496
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: like you just casually say something like in thirty years,

1497
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 3: how will we look at that? And then my brain

1498
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: just goes to be like, what the fuck is going

1499
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 3: to be happening in thirty years? I mean, I'm talking

1500
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 3: to two dads, so I feel I always lessen my

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: nihilism in those moments.

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01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 2: God, Jesus Christ, I know.

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: Over a glass of water. Based on your day job

1504
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: here at TDZ, I'm assuming you guys are a little

1505
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: plugged into that.

1506
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always envisioning The Road by Cormick McCarthy.

1507
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: When we're doing the Road. Is gonna appreciate Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.

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01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 3: All we have is this iPad preloaded with last action here.

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01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, I really wish i'd had and our terminator on.

1510
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: It him as a big Bridget Wilson fan, this is

1511
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: a big break in it, Old John Gabris, such a pleasure.

1512
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on.

1513
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 4: Always such a good time talking to YouTube.

1514
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on especially I don't have

1515
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: to deal with today's.

1516
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: Awful news stories. We could just talk about I know

1517
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: how awesome Arnold is. So even throw overtree to do

1518
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: TDZ with you guys. But it's not about the state

1519
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: of the universe good. It's about mister universe. Instead, it's

1520
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: still Olympia. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you,

1521
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: all that good stuff.

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm at Gabris on social media. I got a free

1523
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: podcast with Adam Pally called Staying Alive wherever you get

1524
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: podcasts or YouTube. I got Action Boys, which is a

1525
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: Patreon podcast where if you remotely like what this episode's about,

1526
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 3: it's unfortunately that for three hours every week. That's at

1527
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 3: Actionboys dot biz. We have some free episodes that you

1528
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: can get addicted, you know, we get you, get you hooked,

1529
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 3: and then you come back for more. And then lastly,

1530
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 3: I made this physical media thirty episodes of the Gino

1531
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: Lombardo Show. It's like three ten episode seasons. I turned

1532
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: it into a USB drive with like original art that

1533
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 3: comes in like a cassette form and you can get

1534
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 3: that at Geno dot Gabris dot com.

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01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: If that's something that appeals amazing, any comedy Bang Bang

1536
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: fans out there. Yeah, yeah, get that. But that's where

1537
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: I first first heard. I still remember sound speeds. I

1538
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: still remember writing Gino Lombardo and then John Gabris down

1539
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: in my notes app but I think it was like

1540
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: his first appearance, and I was just like, who the

1541
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: fuck is this guy?

1542
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 4: That was like my second podcast appearance ever.

1543
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what podcasts where I had moved

1544
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 3: out here and I did Geno for Scott and I

1545
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: had such a good time. Then I didn't know I

1546
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: would be doing exclusively that.

1547
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 4: Character for the next fifteen years.

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: One day we'll be doing an Icon episode about Yeah, yeah.

1549
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 3: What's well, don't worry. His sexual assault scandals are are

1550
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: coming in hot. He grew up the bagel boss guy.

1551
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: It'sed him on the back of the neck. All right,

1552
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,799
Speaker 1: that was a fun one. This is the notebook, dumb.

1553
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: You may have noticed first of all, that we didn't

1554
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: hit air standard question if this person character existed in

1555
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: the present tens or in our reality, would they have

1556
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: been on the Epstein flight logs. We didn't hit it

1557
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: because this is our first icon who did exist in

1558
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: our moment, and he wasn't on them. Dinging casino jackpots

1559
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: sound effect he was not on them. I think we

1560
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: decided Miss Piggy wasn't probably on them also in that

1561
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: alternate reality and people were pissed. People were like, yes,

1562
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: she definitely would have been with Arnold. I'll say the

1563
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: internet actually couldn't believe he wasn't on it and made

1564
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: a fake list of names that went viral on Twitter

1565
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: claiming these people were on the flight logs. I mean,

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01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: it's still early. It's still early, folks. We still don't

1567
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: know every we still haven't seen every file yet. One

1568
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: thing that's becoming a recurring theme also as we look

1569
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: at these icons, for me is the question of I

1570
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: guess it's like kind of a nature nurture question, more

1571
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: of a what them or was it us? Of the

1572
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: icons we've covered so far, like Einstein is one extreme

1573
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: because he's this super singular genius who is going to

1574
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: be famous no matter where and when he existed. And

1575
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: then Erkele's kind of the other side, probably doesn't become

1576
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: an icon in most other moments historically or places in time,

1577
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: but catches something peculiar about the cultural moment. And I'd

1578
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: say Arnold is kind of somewhere in the middle there

1579
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: kind of an enigma. I feel like he was gonna

1580
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: be famous no matter what everyone who meets him, like,

1581
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: even the people who go in being like, this guy

1582
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: seems like an idiot, like James Cameron, for instance. They

1583
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: come away from like a single meal with him being like,

1584
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: this is the face of and titular character of my

1585
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: next movie. But the specifics in the level of his

1586
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: dominance feel very peculiar to the eighties and nineties, Like

1587
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: it'll be one of the weirdest sections of the Future

1588
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: Museum about the late twentieth century, Like people will just

1589
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: be like, why is this guy everywhere? And why does

1590
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: he look like that? I also wanted to note that

1591
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: you can kind of see the specificity and the suddenness

1592
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: and massive impact of his influence in movies he never

1593
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: appeared in like the same way that you can see

1594
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: certain cataclysmic volcanic eruptions in tree rings on like other continents.

1595
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,480
Speaker 1: Like the example I was thinking about is the Rocky franchise.

1596
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: In the first Rocky movie, stallone's trying to play by

1597
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: the roles of the seventies. He's a schlubby everyman who

1598
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: isn't as ripped as his opponent. That was kind of

1599
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: the point. It's an underdog tail, like all our movies

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01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 1: are generally underdogtails, so it doesn't make sense that he'd

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01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: be the superman. But then Arnold hits and by Rocky three,

1602
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: Stallone looks actually like too muscular to make sense as

1603
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: a boxer. By that time, the point was no longer

1604
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: to make sense. The point was suddenly to always look

1605
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: as conspicuously awesome as possible, no matter the role. And

1606
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: then Arnold's influence fades, and you know, he and Van

1607
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: dam are replaced by action heroes with tooth pickoms, and

1608
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 1: Stallone goes back to playing a schlebby guy in Copland.

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: I think. Copland came out the year after Eraser, I think,

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01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: which was the first of Arnold's big swing action movies

1611
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: that like doesn't really exist. It's not like a flop

1612
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: or a bomb like last acting heroes just like people

1613
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 1: are like I don't even remember what that movie was about.

1614
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: On the subject of bodybuilding's relationship to acting, there's this

1615
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: mystery at the heart of filmmaking I've always found interesting,

1616
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: which is why do actors like Robert de Niro and

1617
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: like John Turtrurou, who are these great actors. You know,

1618
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: they're actors actors, but then when they direct movies, nobody

1619
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: really like they're not great directors. And then the actors

1620
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: who do make great directors are people like Ben Affleck

1621
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: and Clint Eastwood and Robert Redford, who are kind of

1622
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: one dimensional. I mean, they're movie stars, like you'd never

1623
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: want to go see them in a stage play, but

1624
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: they end up making great directors. And I think one

1625
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: of the reasons is that they understand a very simple thing,

1626
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: which is how to look on camera, like how to

1627
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: show up, you know, without the interiority of the acting

1628
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: process to rely on, they focus on everything outside of them,

1629
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: their relationship to the camera, what angles make them look best.

1630
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: If you're not a great actor, but you're good at

1631
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: looking awesome on camera, you have to be sort of

1632
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: directing while you act and like sort of bending the

1633
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: movie around your face, which requires a much broader understanding

1634
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: of how filmmaking works because they don't have the tools inside,

1635
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: so they figure out how to work within the machine

1636
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: around them to look awesome, and that sets them up

1637
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: to be better directors than somebody who just like shows

1638
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: up and is like I'm the Jordan of this shit.

1639
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need to pay attention to these

1640
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: idiots with cameras. Obviously, Arnold didn't become a great director,

1641
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: but I was thinking about that when researching how his

1642
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: bodybuilding led into his acting career, because from a very

1643
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: early age, he's thinking about how to pose and like

1644
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: hit his angles and how to appear to people. He's

1645
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: just like pure exteriority. He's studying how to show up

1646
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: at the right angle to portray the right things, which

1647
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: for him, the right thing is always to just look

1648
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: awesome and strong, and that was the right thing for

1649
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: America in the eighties and nineties. I mentioned how he

1650
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: tried the Stanislovsky method. I talked about how his teacher

1651
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: thought it got great results. Arnold disagreed. Arnold eventually was like,

1652
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that kind of actor. I

1653
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: want to be an action hero. And he quit the

1654
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Stanzlowski method and committed to weapons training. And he won

1655
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: all sorts of awards from gun nut magazines and shit

1656
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: like that for being the best shooter of guns in movies.

1657
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't subscribe to them. Next up,

1658
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: I think the question. We kind of talked about this,

1659
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: but the question of like is Arnold hot is interesting

1660
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: and like why is he not? You know? Gabrius mentioned

1661
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: that the women characters in his movies are often like

1662
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: oh ho, hoba, look at this guy. But he kind

1663
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: of gives off the same vibes as the Rock. He's

1664
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: sort of like too invulnerable to make sense in that way.

1665
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: He's sort of a marble statue come to life, which

1666
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: I think does tie back into fascism. There's a really

1667
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: good article called Everyone Is Beautiful and No One Is

1668
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Horny on the website blood Knife that talks about the

1669
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: sort of sexless, bloodless nature of movies while everybody has

1670
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: suddenly become completely shredded, like the Rock and the Marvel movies.

1671
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: And in that article, the writer Rs. Benedict connects it

1672
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: back to Paul dhoven satire of fascism and American action

1673
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: movie Starship Troopers and describes the co ed shower scene

1674
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: as quote a room full of beautiful, bare bodies and

1675
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: everyone is only horny for war. And I feel like

1676
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: that's a perfect summation of Arnold movies. Like they had

1677
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 1: to cut a sex scene from Commando because the actress

1678
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: and the director were like, this doesn't make sense and

1679
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: like it feels weird, but they were willing to add

1680
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: an extra like one hundred and fifty people being killed

1681
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: in the final scene. In terms of Arnold's relationship to

1682
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: other action stars, as I was reading that book the

1683
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,799
Speaker 1: Last Action Heroes, I feel like John Claude Van Dam

1684
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and Arnold Schwarzenegger are sort of spiritually linked. They're just

1685
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: these unquestioningly confident like puppy who've never been told no.

1686
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: And then Stallone and Segal are these massively insecure, sort

1687
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: of sad boys who refuse to let their guard down.

1688
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Their careers are like scar tissue that's like grown over

1689
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: their wounded ego. And then Schwartzenegger and Van Dam are

1690
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: like these aids that just sort of shed their super

1691
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 1: ego like needless shirts and are just running around flexing

1692
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: and waving their dicks in our faces. And finally, I

1693
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: talked in a past episode about this theory I was

1694
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: working on of like icons have to have like a

1695
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: contradiction at their core, Like there's too many famous people.

1696
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: We don't want to learn about another famous person. We're

1697
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: already holding all this shit. We don't want to have

1698
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: to pick up another famous person. But our brains are

1699
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: intrigued by contradiction, and so you have, like Einstein is

1700
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: not just a super genius, he's a super genius who

1701
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: can't remember to put his shoes on before walking out

1702
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: the door. Erkele's a dork, but he's a dork who's

1703
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: extremely confident. This Piggy a career motivated diva primarily driven

1704
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: by a romantic love of Kermit. And if I had

1705
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: to jam Arnold into the contradiction theory, i'd highlight some

1706
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: of the stuff we touched on. He's an American hero

1707
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: who spoke with a thick Austrian accent. He's constantly going

1708
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: undercover while being the most wildly conspicuous character in any movie.

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01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that he thinks that the thing that

1710
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: killed his career was fixing the gap in his teeth.

1711
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's a subscriber to the contradiction theory, apparently.

1712
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Stallone also had an imperfection with the

1713
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: way he talked and kind of slurred his words because

1714
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: like one side of his face was lightly crushed by

1715
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: a forceps accident when he was being born. But I'm

1716
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: going to shoot you guys straight. I don't think there's

1717
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot of contradiction here. I think Arnold is a

1718
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward, like card tune of a jock. He makes

1719
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: locker room blowjob jokes, he smokes massive cigars. He's just

1720
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: like the toxic masculinity of the seventies, pumped up to

1721
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: the extreme to just like the physical embodiment of what

1722
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 1: a seven year old would design an action hero to

1723
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: look like. Yeah, so, I'm not sure where we're at

1724
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: with this contradiction there. I feel like I might need

1725
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to replace it with our new theory that people do

1726
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: their most iconic work while shitting their pants. All right,

1727
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for Arnold. We're back next

1728
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: Monday with possibly the most famous and recognizable figure on

1729
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: the face of the planet, who, depending on the tradition

1730
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: that you follow, may have done their most iconic work

1731
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: while shitting their pants. I'm talking, of course, about our

1732
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: icon number five, Santa Claus Tati. Then iye