1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:15,017 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio Act or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,977 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,217 --> 00:00:26,777 Speaker 2: Why is USAID destroying classified documents in some last act 5 00:00:26,977 --> 00:00:30,817 Speaker 2: of swamp Hubris? What the heck is going on here? 6 00:00:30,857 --> 00:00:33,857 Speaker 2: Our friend Mike Benz joins us now. He is the 7 00:00:33,937 --> 00:00:39,537 Speaker 2: executor executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online. Mike, 8 00:00:39,577 --> 00:00:41,697 Speaker 2: what's going on at USA? Well, there's a lot that's 9 00:00:41,697 --> 00:00:44,577 Speaker 2: going on USAID, not as much maybe these days as before. 10 00:00:45,017 --> 00:00:48,737 Speaker 2: But why would they be destroying classified documents in some 11 00:00:49,057 --> 00:00:50,137 Speaker 2: flurry at the end? 12 00:00:52,057 --> 00:00:54,537 Speaker 1: Well, it's a very strange series of events that popped off. 13 00:00:55,297 --> 00:00:57,977 Speaker 1: I initially described it as a five alarm fire because 14 00:00:58,017 --> 00:01:01,217 Speaker 1: it was a very unusual email that Erica Carr, the 15 00:01:01,297 --> 00:01:06,257 Speaker 1: Executive Secretary, sent out, which said that there was going 16 00:01:06,337 --> 00:01:10,737 Speaker 1: to be an all day group event yesterday to shred 17 00:01:10,897 --> 00:01:14,937 Speaker 1: and burn all the remaining documents in the classified safes 18 00:01:15,017 --> 00:01:19,097 Speaker 1: and the personnel records. Erica Carr is someone who joined 19 00:01:19,177 --> 00:01:24,297 Speaker 1: USAID during the Obama administration, was named the executive secretary 20 00:01:24,497 --> 00:01:26,937 Speaker 1: the first week of the Biden administration, and it's been 21 00:01:27,017 --> 00:01:32,137 Speaker 1: kept over by Trump. One after I amplified this issue. 22 00:01:32,177 --> 00:01:35,977 Speaker 1: A bunch of folks at USAID who I know and trust, 23 00:01:36,097 --> 00:01:40,057 Speaker 1: called me and said, actually, this is normal practice. This 24 00:01:40,177 --> 00:01:43,137 Speaker 1: is where we at the politicals who remain here, because 25 00:01:43,137 --> 00:01:45,697 Speaker 1: remember they had fourteen thousand employees, it's found to about 26 00:01:45,697 --> 00:01:49,137 Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety and picked ones. They said that 27 00:01:49,217 --> 00:01:53,217 Speaker 1: this is a relatively standard practice. But the language in 28 00:01:53,257 --> 00:01:56,817 Speaker 1: the email was pretty extreme. It was to shred all 29 00:01:56,897 --> 00:02:00,017 Speaker 1: documents and to reserve the burn bags for when the 30 00:02:00,057 --> 00:02:05,257 Speaker 1: shredder gets overloaded or overheated, effectively that this was a 31 00:02:05,497 --> 00:02:07,977 Speaker 1: sort of fire sale. Now, it sort of makes sense 32 00:02:08,017 --> 00:02:10,617 Speaker 1: from the perspective that USAID is in the process of 33 00:02:10,657 --> 00:02:14,217 Speaker 1: shutting down. They're leaving the building at some point, these 34 00:02:14,257 --> 00:02:19,457 Speaker 1: documents need to be handled and the process has to 35 00:02:19,777 --> 00:02:24,097 Speaker 1: happen at some point for discarding paper records. But Mike, 36 00:02:24,177 --> 00:02:26,737 Speaker 1: I still have lingering concerns about the speed at which 37 00:02:26,777 --> 00:02:31,057 Speaker 1: this is being done. You know, it's not usual that 38 00:02:31,137 --> 00:02:34,937 Speaker 1: you have this kind of fire sale, you know, going 39 00:02:34,937 --> 00:02:38,897 Speaker 1: out of business event where you need to reserve the 40 00:02:38,897 --> 00:02:42,857 Speaker 1: burn bags for when the shredder is being used too heavily. 41 00:02:42,897 --> 00:02:46,657 Speaker 1: And part of the reassurance that was given to me 42 00:02:46,737 --> 00:02:50,817 Speaker 1: by people who are at the agency, is that there 43 00:02:50,857 --> 00:02:55,057 Speaker 1: are digital duplicates of the vast majority of these documents, 44 00:02:55,297 --> 00:02:58,617 Speaker 1: and that it's rare for USAID to be the originating 45 00:02:58,657 --> 00:03:03,017 Speaker 1: agency when it comes to classification. That is, USAID primarily 46 00:03:03,057 --> 00:03:06,977 Speaker 1: handles classified documents that come from the State Department or 47 00:03:07,017 --> 00:03:11,377 Speaker 1: the CIA or the Department of Defense. But very rare 48 00:03:11,497 --> 00:03:14,457 Speaker 1: is not very It's not very comforting to me because 49 00:03:14,577 --> 00:03:18,857 Speaker 1: Samantha Power was probably the most crooked USAID administrator in 50 00:03:19,057 --> 00:03:22,337 Speaker 1: USAID history, and that's saying a lot. You know, John 51 00:03:22,377 --> 00:03:26,137 Speaker 1: Bolton was handed the USAD hand Grenade Award when he 52 00:03:26,217 --> 00:03:29,137 Speaker 1: ran policy and budget there in the nineteen eighties, but 53 00:03:29,297 --> 00:03:32,857 Speaker 1: Samantha Power fully weaponized that agency. And to me, it's 54 00:03:32,937 --> 00:03:36,577 Speaker 1: highly possible that Samantha Power could have classified a significant 55 00:03:36,657 --> 00:03:40,657 Speaker 1: number of USAID documents, put them in these safes and 56 00:03:40,697 --> 00:03:43,657 Speaker 1: then simply you don't have duplicates at the other agencies 57 00:03:43,657 --> 00:03:47,457 Speaker 1: if they weren't shared around, and something like this would 58 00:03:47,537 --> 00:03:51,577 Speaker 1: be a way to legally dispose of those documents they 59 00:03:51,617 --> 00:03:55,617 Speaker 1: if a digital duplicate was not provided. And also digital 60 00:03:55,697 --> 00:03:59,337 Speaker 1: duplicates can have flaws. We saw this with the FBI 61 00:04:00,297 --> 00:04:05,257 Speaker 1: during Operation Crossfire Hurricane. They deleted the emails and text 62 00:04:05,337 --> 00:04:08,977 Speaker 1: messages off of the special agent phones once John Durham 63 00:04:09,057 --> 00:04:12,817 Speaker 1: launched his investigator. We saw this with the corrupted files 64 00:04:12,817 --> 00:04:15,977 Speaker 1: at the FBI over the J six Pipe bomber. It's 65 00:04:16,097 --> 00:04:18,297 Speaker 1: quite possible that something like that could happen in this 66 00:04:18,377 --> 00:04:20,537 Speaker 1: case as well. This is sort of like the electronic 67 00:04:20,577 --> 00:04:22,937 Speaker 1: voting machine issue. If you don't have the paper records, 68 00:04:23,377 --> 00:04:26,457 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have a faithful duplicate. Last thing is, 69 00:04:26,497 --> 00:04:29,337 Speaker 1: we saw this again with the Whitey Bulger case when 70 00:04:29,377 --> 00:04:32,777 Speaker 1: the FBI went to prosecute him and it turned out 71 00:04:32,817 --> 00:04:35,177 Speaker 1: that the digital file they produced in court was not 72 00:04:35,417 --> 00:04:40,417 Speaker 1: actually the full and correct document on Whitey Bulger that 73 00:04:40,537 --> 00:04:43,097 Speaker 1: was kept in the classified safes at the FBI. There 74 00:04:43,137 --> 00:04:46,057 Speaker 1: was a paper document that had a whole additional section 75 00:04:46,137 --> 00:04:49,537 Speaker 1: attached at the end that completely inverted the history that 76 00:04:49,617 --> 00:04:53,217 Speaker 1: was presented originally in court. So, given that there are 77 00:04:53,257 --> 00:04:56,857 Speaker 1: going to be no new USAD documents produced, I don't 78 00:04:56,977 --> 00:05:00,777 Speaker 1: understand why these can't be moved safely to the national 79 00:05:00,897 --> 00:05:03,537 Speaker 1: archives and why there needs to be this rush to 80 00:05:03,577 --> 00:05:04,257 Speaker 1: delete it all. 81 00:05:04,297 --> 00:05:07,297 Speaker 2: At the end, the fight for life is ongoing day 82 00:05:07,337 --> 00:05:09,537 Speaker 2: in and day out, and on the front lines of 83 00:05:09,577 --> 00:05:13,417 Speaker 2: it Preborn. Preborn has a network of clinics across the 84 00:05:13,497 --> 00:05:17,537 Speaker 2: nation who have a very simple but profoundly important mission, 85 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:19,857 Speaker 2: which is to save the lives of as many tiny 86 00:05:19,897 --> 00:05:22,657 Speaker 2: babies as they possibly can. 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What is the stuff that everybody 102 00:06:14,097 --> 00:06:18,417 Speaker 2: should remember about what USAID was really doing versus what 103 00:06:18,457 --> 00:06:20,337 Speaker 2: the public maybe thought it was doing. 104 00:06:21,177 --> 00:06:23,337 Speaker 1: Well there's so many categories of it, with the public 105 00:06:23,377 --> 00:06:27,817 Speaker 1: thinks that it was doing was humanitarian assistance to foreign countries, 106 00:06:28,497 --> 00:06:30,777 Speaker 1: and the people who are one level above that in 107 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:34,737 Speaker 1: terms of knowledgeability will appreciate that there's some soft power 108 00:06:34,817 --> 00:06:38,297 Speaker 1: role in that. For example, we supply humanitarian assistance to 109 00:06:38,337 --> 00:06:41,457 Speaker 1: foreign countries and in return we get influence over the 110 00:06:41,457 --> 00:06:44,897 Speaker 1: local governments or the local political movements, or the local 111 00:06:44,977 --> 00:06:49,137 Speaker 1: judges or the local indigenous communities. But in fact, there's 112 00:06:49,177 --> 00:06:54,057 Speaker 1: really a USA Truman show that where virtually every function 113 00:06:54,377 --> 00:06:58,337 Speaker 1: in modern society, whether that's the media, the social media companies, 114 00:06:58,737 --> 00:07:04,537 Speaker 1: whether that's the unions, whether that's politicians, judges, prosecutors, and 115 00:07:04,577 --> 00:07:09,537 Speaker 1: even terrorist groups and narco cartels drug cartels are all 116 00:07:09,577 --> 00:07:13,697 Speaker 1: on USA payroll around the world and even here at home, 117 00:07:13,857 --> 00:07:16,417 Speaker 1: which is something that should never be allowed to happen. 118 00:07:16,857 --> 00:07:20,817 Speaker 1: There is this domestic foreign firewall that was systematically breached 119 00:07:20,817 --> 00:07:25,777 Speaker 1: by USAID, with USAID not only paying media companies but 120 00:07:25,857 --> 00:07:30,817 Speaker 1: also paying foundations that do a significant amount of domestic work, 121 00:07:30,817 --> 00:07:33,617 Speaker 1: and they're getting tens or sometimes hundreds of millions of 122 00:07:33,697 --> 00:07:37,617 Speaker 1: dollars from the USAID to be weaponized against domestic opponents. 123 00:07:37,617 --> 00:07:42,337 Speaker 1: But there are still many layers of unexplored terrain here, 124 00:07:42,457 --> 00:07:46,057 Speaker 1: given that USAID is effectively an intelligence agency with no 125 00:07:46,177 --> 00:07:49,457 Speaker 1: restrictions on it. See, when the CIA does a covert action, 126 00:07:49,617 --> 00:07:52,497 Speaker 1: they have to get a presidential finding for it, meaning 127 00:07:52,537 --> 00:07:54,417 Speaker 1: there needs to be a written sign off from the 128 00:07:54,497 --> 00:07:58,057 Speaker 1: US President to do any act of any covert action. 129 00:07:58,537 --> 00:08:01,857 Speaker 1: At the CIA, USAID does not have to go through 130 00:08:01,897 --> 00:08:05,617 Speaker 1: with that procedure, which means that USAID is effectively the 131 00:08:05,697 --> 00:08:09,697 Speaker 1: clearinghouse when there's a rogue element at CIA or DoD 132 00:08:09,937 --> 00:08:13,137 Speaker 1: or state who doesn't think the President will approve, or 133 00:08:13,217 --> 00:08:15,777 Speaker 1: if the President doesn't want to be seen as approving. 134 00:08:16,137 --> 00:08:18,297 Speaker 1: There's a layer of clause of my ability by simply 135 00:08:18,337 --> 00:08:21,457 Speaker 1: calling it democracy promotion at USAID. And I think the 136 00:08:21,537 --> 00:08:26,177 Speaker 1: terrorism aspect of this is really significant, given that Syria 137 00:08:26,217 --> 00:08:28,657 Speaker 1: is so much in the news these days. You had 138 00:08:28,697 --> 00:08:34,657 Speaker 1: a USA funded, you know, terrorist rebel faction effectively take 139 00:08:34,697 --> 00:08:38,577 Speaker 1: control of the country. Muhammad al Jalani, the leader of 140 00:08:38,817 --> 00:08:42,897 Speaker 1: HTS which overthrew that that government back back in December 141 00:08:42,937 --> 00:08:45,897 Speaker 1: of last year. There was a ten million dollar bounty 142 00:08:45,977 --> 00:08:49,617 Speaker 1: out for his head under the Trump One State Department. 143 00:08:49,857 --> 00:08:54,537 Speaker 1: They then received financial assistance from the USAID and toppled 144 00:08:54,577 --> 00:08:57,937 Speaker 1: the government of Syria. They're now the de facto head 145 00:08:57,937 --> 00:09:02,217 Speaker 1: of Syria going around executing thousands or tens of thousands 146 00:09:02,737 --> 00:09:06,297 Speaker 1: of ethnic minority groups in the country. It's going to 147 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:09,817 Speaker 1: cause huge schisms throughout the Middle East as that situation develops. 148 00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:14,257 Speaker 1: And USAID has its fingerprints all over those terrorist groups, 149 00:09:14,297 --> 00:09:16,577 Speaker 1: just as they have it all over the Taliban, just 150 00:09:16,617 --> 00:09:19,617 Speaker 1: as they have it all over terrorist groups in Africa, 151 00:09:19,737 --> 00:09:22,417 Speaker 1: in the Sahel region, as well as in Central Asia 152 00:09:22,457 --> 00:09:25,937 Speaker 1: and in Pakistan and particularly in the Western Hemisphere. 153 00:09:26,137 --> 00:09:28,577 Speaker 2: Well, when you say, when you say fingerprints on those groups, 154 00:09:28,377 --> 00:09:32,177 Speaker 2: so do we know that there was USAID money meeting 155 00:09:32,217 --> 00:09:35,617 Speaker 2: our money but through the PRISM or the cutout of 156 00:09:35,697 --> 00:09:37,817 Speaker 2: USAID going directly to those groups. 157 00:09:38,417 --> 00:09:43,297 Speaker 1: Yes, this was actually testified by USAID administrator Folks in 158 00:09:43,377 --> 00:09:48,657 Speaker 1: Congress just three weeks ago. There's a Middle East Monitor 159 00:09:48,697 --> 00:09:52,937 Speaker 1: and other reporting outlets have also disclosed hundreds of millions 160 00:09:52,937 --> 00:09:55,257 Speaker 1: of dollars. I believe it's in the billions of dollars. 161 00:09:55,737 --> 00:10:00,897 Speaker 1: Because if the CIA wants to support those groups, isis 162 00:10:01,057 --> 00:10:05,937 Speaker 1: al Qaeda the alnose for front all these designated terrorist groups, 163 00:10:06,137 --> 00:10:09,137 Speaker 1: and the president doesn't want to do it, then they 164 00:10:09,537 --> 00:10:12,097 Speaker 1: they can simp. We launder it through USAID and it'll 165 00:10:12,097 --> 00:10:16,497 Speaker 1: take the form of logistical funds or shelter in housing 166 00:10:16,777 --> 00:10:20,417 Speaker 1: or public health and all these things get laundered through USAI. 167 00:10:20,697 --> 00:10:24,777 Speaker 2: That's an end run on material support to terrorism concerns, right, basically, 168 00:10:24,777 --> 00:10:25,537 Speaker 2: that's what that means. 169 00:10:25,577 --> 00:10:29,977 Speaker 1: Oh in fact, US the Inspector General report from a 170 00:10:30,017 --> 00:10:33,137 Speaker 1: month ago even showed how there was a fatal flaw 171 00:10:33,177 --> 00:10:37,817 Speaker 1: in the contracting system at USAID where grantees, if you're 172 00:10:37,817 --> 00:10:41,457 Speaker 1: getting a grant from USAID, you need to go through 173 00:10:41,457 --> 00:10:44,297 Speaker 1: with the standard O fact reporting this sort of anti 174 00:10:44,857 --> 00:10:49,457 Speaker 1: terrorism financing set of laws, but contractors are not subject 175 00:10:49,497 --> 00:10:53,777 Speaker 1: to that. So effectively, contractors can be used to completely 176 00:10:53,897 --> 00:10:57,377 Speaker 1: end run the sort of money laundering obligations that banks 177 00:10:57,377 --> 00:11:00,377 Speaker 1: are subject to, that anyone who uses the International Swift 178 00:11:00,417 --> 00:11:03,377 Speaker 1: system is subject to. And so all this is done 179 00:11:03,417 --> 00:11:08,497 Speaker 1: to prop up these paramilitary terrorist proxy groups who, as 180 00:11:08,697 --> 00:11:12,937 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton said Jake Sullivan in the wikileague's email from 181 00:11:13,217 --> 00:11:16,017 Speaker 1: twenty eleven when they said Al Qaeda is on our 182 00:11:16,097 --> 00:11:19,377 Speaker 1: side in Syria, and now an al Qaeda offshoot now 183 00:11:19,617 --> 00:11:22,857 Speaker 1: runs the government of Syria, and you see USAID giving 184 00:11:22,897 --> 00:11:25,017 Speaker 1: them something like one hundred and twenty two million dollars 185 00:11:25,697 --> 00:11:30,377 Speaker 1: in financing. You can understand how these dirty beds of 186 00:11:30,417 --> 00:11:32,417 Speaker 1: state craft are outsourced to USAID. 187 00:11:33,377 --> 00:11:34,817 Speaker 2: What do you think is going to be the next 188 00:11:35,857 --> 00:11:40,097 Speaker 2: nasty log that Trump and Doge kick over to see 189 00:11:40,217 --> 00:11:45,217 Speaker 2: what's underneath it within the government apparatus. 190 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:47,057 Speaker 1: Well, there's a few. I'll tell you a couple off 191 00:11:47,057 --> 00:11:49,137 Speaker 1: the top that I'd like to see immediately. One of 192 00:11:49,217 --> 00:11:55,377 Speaker 1: them is a review of all the USAID, State Department, Pentagon, 193 00:11:56,017 --> 00:11:59,177 Speaker 1: National Down for Democracy, and Department of Labor funds that 194 00:11:59,217 --> 00:12:02,737 Speaker 1: are given to unions. This is a really nasty element 195 00:12:02,977 --> 00:12:07,017 Speaker 1: of rent a riot behavior that has been a part 196 00:12:07,057 --> 00:12:11,257 Speaker 1: of the CI toolkit for now fifty some years. When 197 00:12:11,257 --> 00:12:13,617 Speaker 1: we switched to a small wars model at the Pentagon, 198 00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:17,617 Speaker 1: we transitioned from primarily using tanks and fighter jets to 199 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:21,737 Speaker 1: using street movements, the so called color revolutions or people 200 00:12:21,777 --> 00:12:26,217 Speaker 1: powered revolutions, and unions played the major role in being 201 00:12:26,297 --> 00:12:29,417 Speaker 1: the muscle on the ground when it comes to surrounding 202 00:12:29,457 --> 00:12:34,057 Speaker 1: the Parliament building and violently ousting a president from office, 203 00:12:34,097 --> 00:12:36,857 Speaker 1: as was done in the twenty fourteen my don Ku 204 00:12:37,017 --> 00:12:41,097 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, as was done by the Biden deministration to 205 00:12:41,137 --> 00:12:43,617 Speaker 1: the government of Bangladesh at the end of last year, 206 00:12:44,457 --> 00:12:48,617 Speaker 1: as was planned to be done if Trump won the 207 00:12:48,657 --> 00:12:51,457 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election by a group called the Transition Integrity 208 00:12:51,497 --> 00:12:55,497 Speaker 1: Project run by senior military and intelligence officials here in 209 00:12:55,537 --> 00:12:58,057 Speaker 1: the US, and the unions played the dominant role in 210 00:12:58,137 --> 00:13:02,137 Speaker 1: net in, particularly the AFLCIO, which is the largest union 211 00:13:02,177 --> 00:13:04,377 Speaker 1: here in the US. It used to be known as 212 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:08,897 Speaker 1: the afl CIA by the New Left in the nineteen 213 00:13:08,937 --> 00:13:13,297 Speaker 1: sixties and seventies because the revealed pattern of partnerships with 214 00:13:13,337 --> 00:13:19,377 Speaker 1: the Cias the aflcio's international branch, it has something like 215 00:13:19,457 --> 00:13:23,417 Speaker 1: seventy five international branches and countries around the world and 216 00:13:23,537 --> 00:13:25,857 Speaker 1: was a constant partner of the CIA when they were 217 00:13:25,897 --> 00:13:30,617 Speaker 1: fomenting street revolution protests abroad and would come to be 218 00:13:30,697 --> 00:13:35,337 Speaker 1: weaponized against the anti Vietnam War Left in the nineteen seventies. 219 00:13:35,337 --> 00:13:38,857 Speaker 1: They play a major role in statecraft today. The AFLCIO 220 00:13:39,337 --> 00:13:42,377 Speaker 1: headquarters has basically parked just a few blocks from the 221 00:13:42,377 --> 00:13:45,377 Speaker 1: White House. They had an agreement with the Chamber of 222 00:13:45,417 --> 00:13:47,977 Speaker 1: Commerce to shut down the country of Trump won the 223 00:13:48,017 --> 00:13:51,337 Speaker 1: electoral college back in twenty twenty. They received tens of 224 00:13:51,377 --> 00:13:55,297 Speaker 1: millions of dollars from the National Dowment for Democracy's Solidarity 225 00:13:55,337 --> 00:13:59,937 Speaker 1: Center and from the Department of Labour's Bureau of International Affairs. 226 00:13:59,977 --> 00:14:04,057 Speaker 1: We saw this, for example, in Brazil, there's this lurking 227 00:14:04,097 --> 00:14:07,577 Speaker 1: issue around internet censorship, with all these different countries balkanizing 228 00:14:07,577 --> 00:14:11,137 Speaker 1: their Internet to block X. We saw Brazil ban X. 229 00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:14,857 Speaker 1: We see the European Union pursuing these well, the unions 230 00:14:14,897 --> 00:14:19,497 Speaker 1: all backed Lula in Brazil. Lula was from the Workers 231 00:14:19,577 --> 00:14:23,617 Speaker 1: Party and unions, whereas primary backers and I've personally found 232 00:14:23,657 --> 00:14:28,377 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars flowing directly from the Biden 233 00:14:28,457 --> 00:14:32,937 Speaker 1: Department of Labor to these very union groups in Brazil 234 00:14:33,177 --> 00:14:36,057 Speaker 1: backing Lula. Now that's just in Brazil, and I think 235 00:14:36,057 --> 00:14:39,137 Speaker 1: I've so far found around thirty million dollars just from 236 00:14:39,137 --> 00:14:42,777 Speaker 1: the Department of Labor. Now, the afl CIO is also 237 00:14:42,817 --> 00:14:46,257 Speaker 1: at war with Elon Musk and Tesla because of the 238 00:14:46,297 --> 00:14:50,457 Speaker 1: refusal of Elon to unionize the Tesla workforce. I have 239 00:14:50,577 --> 00:14:53,177 Speaker 1: no doubt that the afl CIO has a hand in 240 00:14:53,217 --> 00:14:58,697 Speaker 1: these protests against against the Tesla car dealerships, and that's 241 00:14:59,137 --> 00:15:01,977 Speaker 1: being coordinated by these groups like Indivisible and move On 242 00:15:02,617 --> 00:15:05,217 Speaker 1: and these reed Hoffmann funded groups that all have deep, 243 00:15:05,257 --> 00:15:08,897 Speaker 1: deep connections to the unions. And frankly, if it's I 244 00:15:08,937 --> 00:15:11,937 Speaker 1: have no problem. I'm not pro or anti union. But 245 00:15:12,097 --> 00:15:16,057 Speaker 1: when you're subsidized by US taxpayer dollars and we're paying 246 00:15:16,137 --> 00:15:19,457 Speaker 1: to be protested against, that's a course of a different color. 247 00:15:19,497 --> 00:15:22,297 Speaker 1: And I think there's a major scandal there just waiting 248 00:15:22,617 --> 00:15:25,097 Speaker 1: beneath the surface to be unbound. 249 00:15:25,377 --> 00:15:28,817 Speaker 2: What do you think happens now that it seems about 250 00:15:29,057 --> 00:15:31,257 Speaker 2: I don't know. Thirty forty percent of the Department of 251 00:15:31,337 --> 00:15:36,297 Speaker 2: Education's workforce has been told pack up your stuff. How 252 00:15:36,337 --> 00:15:37,097 Speaker 2: does this play out? 253 00:15:38,577 --> 00:15:41,497 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. I mean the role of the 254 00:15:41,537 --> 00:15:46,977 Speaker 1: Department of Education, I think has largely been a pernicious one. 255 00:15:47,097 --> 00:15:49,937 Speaker 1: We have not advanced up the piece of score scale. 256 00:15:49,937 --> 00:15:54,697 Speaker 1: We have not advanced since the Department of Education's creation. 257 00:15:55,017 --> 00:15:57,817 Speaker 1: I think US education has only fallen farther and farther 258 00:15:57,937 --> 00:16:02,017 Speaker 1: behind other countries once with far less GDP and a 259 00:16:02,057 --> 00:16:04,897 Speaker 1: far lower standard of living. I'm not convinced that there's 260 00:16:04,897 --> 00:16:09,217 Speaker 1: a correlation between more Department of Education activity or funding 261 00:16:09,737 --> 00:16:12,417 Speaker 1: and how higher education in the US. But what you 262 00:16:12,497 --> 00:16:15,177 Speaker 1: do see is a very corrupt nexus between the universities 263 00:16:15,177 --> 00:16:17,897 Speaker 1: and their government funding, whether that's from the Department of 264 00:16:18,017 --> 00:16:24,657 Speaker 1: Education or whether that's from USAID or DARPA or NIH 265 00:16:24,737 --> 00:16:27,697 Speaker 1: the government is there is no free market in the 266 00:16:27,857 --> 00:16:31,017 Speaker 1: education system, which makes it very difficult for new entrants 267 00:16:31,497 --> 00:16:36,097 Speaker 1: with better ideas or more innovative educational techniques to be 268 00:16:36,137 --> 00:16:39,177 Speaker 1: able to make inroads into the market because you can't 269 00:16:39,257 --> 00:16:43,977 Speaker 1: compete against these massive endowments and the effectively the government 270 00:16:44,057 --> 00:16:48,177 Speaker 1: cartel over education. And so I think breaking that cartel 271 00:16:48,337 --> 00:16:52,457 Speaker 1: is an important, an important component in creating a genuine 272 00:16:52,537 --> 00:16:55,777 Speaker 1: free market in the education space. We saw, for example, 273 00:16:56,097 --> 00:16:59,017 Speaker 1: and I've reported some of this recently because we see 274 00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:02,457 Speaker 1: this major issue popping off right now with Columbia and 275 00:17:02,497 --> 00:17:08,057 Speaker 1: these other major universities. Well, Columbia is a you know, 276 00:17:08,057 --> 00:17:11,737 Speaker 1: there's a funny story around that the group that administers 277 00:17:11,737 --> 00:17:15,457 Speaker 1: the Pulitzer Prize, the same Poltzer Prize awarded to the 278 00:17:15,577 --> 00:17:19,097 Speaker 1: Russiagate fraudsters in twenty seventeen. They were given a Pulitzer 279 00:17:19,177 --> 00:17:24,737 Speaker 1: for essentially fraudulent work. The Pulitzer was awarded to Reuters 280 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:27,657 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Reuters, who got three hundred million 281 00:17:27,737 --> 00:17:31,857 Speaker 1: dollars in government contracts and grants during the Biden administration 282 00:17:31,977 --> 00:17:36,777 Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars. It's just a huge amount. And 283 00:17:36,817 --> 00:17:38,897 Speaker 1: the Pulitzer was given to them for their write up 284 00:17:38,937 --> 00:17:42,737 Speaker 1: on misconduct at all of Elon Musk's companies X Neuralink, 285 00:17:42,777 --> 00:17:47,057 Speaker 1: SpaceX Tesla. It was basically just a just a hit 286 00:17:47,097 --> 00:17:50,457 Speaker 1: piece on Elon Musk and everything he does, and that's 287 00:17:51,177 --> 00:17:55,777 Speaker 1: Colombia effectively through the Pulitzer Foundation awarded that prize to 288 00:17:55,937 --> 00:17:59,857 Speaker 1: Colombia also is deeply in bed with the Blob, the 289 00:17:59,897 --> 00:18:04,617 Speaker 1: foreign policy establishment for all this USAID work, sovietology, the 290 00:18:06,017 --> 00:18:12,577 Speaker 1: Russian studies, and area studies, African studies, Asian studies, Latin 291 00:18:12,577 --> 00:18:17,057 Speaker 1: American studies, all these common majors at universities really came 292 00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:20,977 Speaker 1: from Columbia back in the nineteen fifties when the architect 293 00:18:20,977 --> 00:18:25,257 Speaker 1: of this setup, this guy Philip Mosley, who worked closely 294 00:18:25,297 --> 00:18:29,737 Speaker 1: with the CIA previously was a high ranking State Department 295 00:18:29,777 --> 00:18:31,897 Speaker 1: official before he came to Columbia and set up this 296 00:18:32,017 --> 00:18:35,577 Speaker 1: nexus and basically joined these area studies groups at the 297 00:18:35,697 --> 00:18:39,337 Speaker 1: universities with the CIA and the State Department in the 298 00:18:39,337 --> 00:18:44,377 Speaker 1: Defense Department. By having the major university centers, institutes and 299 00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:48,497 Speaker 1: departments serve as an interlocutor role for statecraft. So they 300 00:18:48,537 --> 00:18:52,937 Speaker 1: would bring over Russian emigres, they would gather intelligence in 301 00:18:53,017 --> 00:18:56,217 Speaker 1: foreign countries, they do the exchange programs and seed people 302 00:18:56,257 --> 00:18:59,337 Speaker 1: over there, all while coordinating with the CIA on all 303 00:18:59,377 --> 00:19:02,937 Speaker 1: of that. Philip Moseley at a CI security clearance, he 304 00:19:03,017 --> 00:19:06,217 Speaker 1: personally consulted Alan Dulles, the head of the CIA at 305 00:19:06,257 --> 00:19:09,537 Speaker 1: the time. You now see this in basically every major university, 306 00:19:10,097 --> 00:19:13,017 Speaker 1: and the endowments make bank off of all of this. 307 00:19:13,257 --> 00:19:16,537 Speaker 1: There's a really sick example from the nineteen nineties when 308 00:19:16,537 --> 00:19:22,377 Speaker 1: the Harvard Endowment was together with the George Soros Investment 309 00:19:22,377 --> 00:19:24,697 Speaker 1: Fund I think it was the Quantum Fund, were given 310 00:19:24,857 --> 00:19:29,777 Speaker 1: special access to the selloff of the Russian state assets 311 00:19:29,817 --> 00:19:33,737 Speaker 1: when they transitioned from communism to capitalism. In the nineteen nineties, 312 00:19:33,737 --> 00:19:37,417 Speaker 1: Harvard set up something called the Harvard Institute for International Development, 313 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:40,177 Speaker 1: which was given about half a billion dollars by the 314 00:19:40,297 --> 00:19:45,257 Speaker 1: US Agency for International Development USAID to be the primary, 315 00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:49,977 Speaker 1: effectively USAID contractor to privatize those state assets. And then 316 00:19:50,017 --> 00:19:53,937 Speaker 1: the endowment fund of the university got first pick at 317 00:19:53,977 --> 00:19:58,177 Speaker 1: all those privatized assets. And so if Harvard was able 318 00:19:58,217 --> 00:20:01,857 Speaker 1: to secure hundreds of millions or low billions of dollars 319 00:20:02,097 --> 00:20:06,417 Speaker 1: for their endowment through that process. I wonder is Columbia 320 00:20:06,457 --> 00:20:09,057 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. Is the University of Pennsylvania, which 321 00:20:09,097 --> 00:20:12,257 Speaker 1: housed the pen Biden Center and Amy Gutman, who was 322 00:20:12,817 --> 00:20:14,417 Speaker 1: the head of it when I was there back in 323 00:20:14,457 --> 00:20:18,017 Speaker 1: the early two thousands and became Joe Biden's ambassador to 324 00:20:18,057 --> 00:20:20,937 Speaker 1: Germany during the time we blew up the nord Stream pipeline. 325 00:20:21,177 --> 00:20:23,977 Speaker 1: Is the University of Pennsylvania endowment in on that gig. 326 00:20:24,217 --> 00:20:26,217 Speaker 1: There needs to be a full review not just of 327 00:20:26,257 --> 00:20:31,297 Speaker 1: the Department of Education funding or USAID funding, but really 328 00:20:31,377 --> 00:20:34,577 Speaker 1: the role of these endowments and being hitched to the 329 00:20:34,617 --> 00:20:39,297 Speaker 1: star of the blob and profiting themselves, pocketing it for themselves. 330 00:20:39,297 --> 00:20:41,417 Speaker 1: It doesn't trickle down to the students in terms of 331 00:20:41,737 --> 00:20:46,897 Speaker 1: diminished tuition. These are powerhouse businesses, not really five oh 332 00:20:47,017 --> 00:20:50,217 Speaker 1: one C three's. They have fifty billion dollars in the 333 00:20:50,217 --> 00:20:52,417 Speaker 1: Harvard Endowment, and I think much of that is ill 334 00:20:52,457 --> 00:20:56,217 Speaker 1: gotten gains from partnerships with the CIA, the State Department, 335 00:20:56,297 --> 00:20:59,777 Speaker 1: the Defense Department, and as Trump World is reorganizing this 336 00:20:59,977 --> 00:21:02,617 Speaker 1: entire structure, I think that needs to be looked at closely. 337 00:21:03,737 --> 00:21:06,537 Speaker 2: Mike Ben's fascinating stuff. Let's have you back again soon 338 00:21:06,577 --> 00:21:09,617 Speaker 2: because we're a time for now. But the Foundation for 339 00:21:09,657 --> 00:21:12,377 Speaker 2: Freedom Online is your organization. People should go check out 340 00:21:12,377 --> 00:21:15,377 Speaker 2: what you're doing and really interesting. Please come back and 341 00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:18,057 Speaker 2: we'll talk to you more about all the dismantling of 342 00:21:18,097 --> 00:21:19,857 Speaker 2: the deep state that's going on. People need to know 343 00:21:19,857 --> 00:21:20,217 Speaker 2: about this. 344 00:21:20,497 --> 00:21:21,017 Speaker 1: Thank you, Buck