1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. It's a winning year 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: so far for DraftKings, the digital sports, entertainment and gaming company, 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: raising its guidance for the rest of the year. The 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: growth boosted by an influx of new customers. Its stock 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: is now up nearly ten percent so far this year, 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: and joining us now is Jason Robbins, Drafting CEO, chairman 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: and co founder. You know, you have this report out 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: the guidance being raised here, and I hate to do 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: this to you, but you know, can you raise it 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: even more given the new customers you're getting in. I mean, 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: how much upside do you really see throughout the year 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and what could raise the bar for you? 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a lot of upside maining throughout 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: the year. We have a number of different initiatives underway, 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: and also customer acquisition keeps out performing what we expect. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: So really, I think the trend is good right now, 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: and a lot of the initiatives we have planned for 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: the back half of the year will be rolling out 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: with the start of football season, and so I think 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: we'll know a lot more then, but definitely feel like 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: we have some good stuff planned on the product front 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: and I definitely think there's some upside When you. 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: Think about the new customers being brought in, where are 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: they coming from? And I guess how new what is 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: the market potential here for you? 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: They're really coming across the board. Obviously, part of it 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: is we launched two new states, North Carolina and Vermont 28 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: and Q one. New states, you know, typically have a 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: lot of pent up demand and we get a lot 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: of new customers in the first few months. But even 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: the oldest states we have, like New Jersey, continue to 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: see new customers enter the market. So I think it's 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: just a matter of where the industry's at right now. 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: It's still very early. Even the oldest state, New Jersey, 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: only launched about five and a half years ago, and 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: so still just a lot of room to grow. 37 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: We're talking a little about the NFL season. What are 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: your expectations there on how much that's going to draw 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: to the platform. 40 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think the NFL is like our holiday season. 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's the biggest time of year for us 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: to acquire customers. We also make a lot of money 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: then too, but you know NFL doesn't have a high 44 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: frequency of game, so actually the spread between how much 45 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: money you make off of NFL and NBA isn't maybe 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: as big as you would think, but definitely from a 47 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: customer acquisition, customer activation engagement standpoint, NFL is really the 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: most important time of year, and typically the way that 49 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: we orient our entire product calendar and everything else is 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: around planning for what we want to do for NFL 51 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: season and then working backwards. 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Speaking of the NBA, what do you think about a 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: potential NBA Amazon Media deal giving your work with Amazon already, Well, obviously. 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: We have a number of great media partners. Amazon's one 55 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: of them, you know, and really would be exciting to 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: see if they or any of our partners were able 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: to increase their presence in a key sport like NBA. 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens, and obviously we'll stay engaged 59 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: and you know, look forward to partnering with you know, 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: hopefully multiple companies in the space. Sounds like NBA might 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: be thinking about doing at least three deals, maybe four, 62 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: so could make for a really interesting landscape. 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: Well, speak about that landscape. Every additional media partner here, 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: what does it translate to in terms of work for you? 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: Well, for us, really a lot of it is the 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: same playbook. We obviously do a little bit different things 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: with different partners, but we really try to optimize across 68 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: the entire marketing portfolio. So when we figure out something 69 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: that's working with one relationship, we'll typically try something similar 70 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: if it's applicable with another. So we get great economies 71 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: to scale that way in our marketing. 72 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Are you seeing new types of customers You kind of 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: talked about customers by state here, but are you seeing 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: different demographics starting to come online thinking about betting more 75 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: on different sports? Given for example, you saw all of 76 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift fans start to watch football at a 77 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: greater scale. You're seeing more interest in women's sports as well. 78 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: What does this mean for you? 79 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: Well, we definitely see those things impact. I mean, the 80 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift impact was certainly a signific to get one 81 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: during NFL season, and then you know Caitlin Clark and 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: what she was able to do this year for women's 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: college basketball is extraordinary and that drove interest really across 84 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: all of women's basketball. While we were seeing that drive 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: college basketball interest, we also have now seen people become 86 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: more interested in the WNBA as well as other women's 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: sports too. Women's sports in general are one of the 88 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: fastest growing segments we have, and no doubt there's new 89 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: demographics coming in. 90 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting for a business week recently, we 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: kind of repurposed a story that had been about your 92 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: presence over at Wrigley Field. Also curious about what baseball 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: is going to be bringing you this year. 94 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, baseball is a great sport because not only 95 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: does it get a lot of customer engagement, there's a 96 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: ton of games, and there's a ton of different things 97 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: you can bet on. There's stoppages between each pitch, so 98 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: lots of opportunity for people to bet in real time 99 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: live betting. So I think baseball is a really well 100 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: built sport for betting, and really looking forward to seeing 101 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: and continued engagement that we've gotten off to a great 102 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: start this year. I think baseball is also a sport 103 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: that's really in the last year or two with you know, 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: some of the things you know that have driven interest 105 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: in the game. I think really that viewership lift is 106 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: also translated over nicely to seeing some growth on our 107 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: side as well. 108 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: Jason, when you think about the way Draft Kings is 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: evolving moving forward into different sports and thinking about the 110 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: way the media landscape is changing around sports. What is 111 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: bigger for you moving forward, landing new media partnerships or 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: even thinking about something more inquisitive. 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: In the future. You know, I think for us it's 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: really not one thing. It's really a matter of, like 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: you know, looking at lots of different opportunities and more 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: about the individual opportunity itself than categorically m and as 117 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: the answer, A big new partnership would be the answer. 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: I think right now, we also feel like we're pretty 119 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: good with what we have, so not to say we 120 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: aren't always looking for ways to expand and do new deals, 121 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: but we don't feel like we have to do anything 122 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: right now. We feel like if we continue to just 123 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: execute in the way we've been executing with the existing partnerships, 124 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: in the geographies, in the product categories that we're in, 125 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: we're going to do just fine. So you know, that 126 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: really makes it so that we can have a high 127 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: bar for any new opportunities we take on, and we 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: don't take lightly the fact that there's an opportunity cost 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: everything you do. It's not just a financial cost as well. Well. 130 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: What would be the bar for you then to do 131 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: anything inquisitive at this point? What would you be looking for. 132 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 2: I think we just have to weigh it against the 133 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: other ways we can allocate capital and allocate resources. You know, 134 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: Jackpocket's a great example of that. We looked at what 135 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: we thought that opportunity would look like, and I think 136 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: it's stacked up quite favorably against similar metrics that we 137 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: use to determine whether it's you know, organic investments we 138 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: make or other forms of capital allocation. But that's really 139 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: how we look at everything. As we have a return 140 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: threshold that we would like to get on any capital 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: and any resources that we deploy, and if that threshold 142 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: is meant, we try to find a way to fund 143 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: it obviously, you know, being that we can handle it 144 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: from a resource and capacity standpoint, and then we compare 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: it to constantly refine that threshold against where we think 146 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: we're at in terms of the value of our equity 147 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: and other sorts of uses of capital. 148 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: Jason, we have to leave it there. We thank you 149 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on a very busy earning 150 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: season for you, that is. Jason Robbins of Draftings