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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: This is nick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 3: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now.

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Speaker 4: Here are Bill Jones, Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 5: It's time for another edition of mix Shots. Here inside

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Speaker 5: the SWBC podcast studio. Heck Ma Harrison railing you in

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Speaker 5: as it's time to talk Cowboys and uh for some

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Speaker 5: of us, get caught up on what happened yesterday on

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Speaker 5: mix Shots, and we look ahead to the Las Vegas

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Speaker 5: Raiders on Monday night as well. Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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Speaker 5: Hecma Harrison, and the star of the show, Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: So you didn't listen to us yes today? Why do

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Speaker 3: you got to catch up listening?

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Speaker 5: We were busy elsewhere in the metro Plex yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Why what happened?

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Speaker 2: The firing? Nico?

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Speaker 5: No more fire? Nico chants around this place, unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure he'll be wherever he walks, Well, he walked,

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Speaker 6: follow him wherever he goes, everywhere except for Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Probably they're praising.

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Speaker 5: Him in l a he's a hero, checking to see

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Speaker 5: if he's been hired there yet.

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Speaker 2: Rob him, Well, nobody wants me here, I'll go there.

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Speaker 4: You think Rob and him made a deal another deal,

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Speaker 4: or maybe they made that deal before he made the

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Speaker 4: other deal because he knew what was gonna happen once

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Speaker 4: he made that deal.

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Speaker 7: If he ends up in Los Angeles, then yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know, he just gave up pretenses.

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Speaker 3: That move going to help him win tonight.

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Speaker 5: They do have a game tonight against the Phoenix Suns.

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Speaker 7: It has not helped them yet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, three and eight, three and eight, Yeah, well they no,

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Speaker 5: I mean that they fired him.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna oh, it's gonna turn this. It's going to

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Speaker 3: turn the seasonally.

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Speaker 6: Yeah right, yeah, like he was the only one that

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Speaker 6: had anything to do with that decision.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, it was just me, guys, I did all

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Speaker 7: by myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, full guarantee you. What happened was that it got

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Speaker 3: out that everybody used it that behind the scenes. He

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Speaker 3: wasn't here for long, and then they decided, well we

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Speaker 3: can't put up with that.

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Speaker 5: We're just gonna get rid of them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 6: He seemed to be a little bit of a prima

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Speaker 6: Donald that was the word that was out there, and

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Speaker 6: so you know they got rid of them.

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Speaker 5: The decision had to have been made before Monday night.

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Speaker 5: But when you were when the team is in a

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Speaker 5: close game shooting free throws in the fourth quarter, like

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Speaker 5: thirty seconds left of the year, and all you here

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Speaker 5: in the arena is fire Nico. Something's got to be done.

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Speaker 7: And then he misses the free throw so needed to.

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Speaker 3: When he needed to make all three.

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Speaker 7: Nico.

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Speaker 5: Nico got Anthony Davis hurt too, and Nico got Kyrie

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Speaker 5: and everything, everything, every.

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Speaker 7: Everything is fine.

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Speaker 3: So all right, and don't worry about all the moves

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Speaker 3: he made to get him to the points that everybody.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean, if you look at it, if wow,

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Speaker 5: something positive, well he somebody's got to say something positive.

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Speaker 5: Up up until February first thinks we're going Okay, he was.

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Speaker 3: The star of the show.

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Speaker 5: Try got into the UNBA finals. Okay, there's a freak

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Speaker 5: stalk for you. Enough of that, all right, So what

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Speaker 5: do we need to know today? We got a Brian

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Speaker 5: shot nyberpress conference coming up right when we get done

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Speaker 5: at one o'clock today.

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Speaker 3: First time he's spoken publicly, Yeah, Jerry or steven On

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Speaker 3: was it Monday, Jerry on Tuesday, and then Shody in

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Speaker 3: an hour.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Steven and Jerry were on the radio both Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: And so this is the first time that there's a

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Speaker 3: Uh, there was a private memorial service last night at

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Speaker 3: the Ford Center family friends players I did not, staff

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Speaker 2: So that was it was.

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Speaker 7: It was pretty movie.

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Speaker 3: You were there, Yeah, okay, it was pretty movie. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: as far as the players are concerned, they got back

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Speaker 3: on Monday, right, and they had meeting on Monday. They

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Speaker 3: for the memorial service.

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Speaker 5: And this is a player's day off right today. This

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Speaker 5: is like Tuesday, yep. So with a Monday night game,

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Speaker 5: tomorrow is the Thursday is like a Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: So practice Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and charter flight on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if I can't remember if they

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Speaker 3: were doing things here beforehand before they got on charter flights,

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Speaker 3: because they used to kind of do a walk through

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Speaker 3: sometimes that day you know what they used to do.

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Speaker 3: They would do when Jimmy got here, they would do

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Speaker 3: K and they locked them out and couldn't get in.

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia used to do that.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 3: He was pissed when the locked out of Philly.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's that's it was a typical thing. As we

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Speaker 5: go in the way back machine, hechma back to the

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Speaker 5: to the eighties, and teams used to do that all

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Speaker 5: the time, where they would do a walk They would

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Speaker 5: fly in and go to the stadium, check out the field,

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Speaker 5: check out the field, do a walk through at the stadium.

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Speaker 5: College teams would do that all exactly. That's just but yeah,

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Speaker 5: y'all do that, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then and then when you didn't know if you're

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Speaker 3: do it out in the parking lot or the ballroom.

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Speaker 4: I've never heard of them being locked out, though, locked

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Speaker 4: work right there. And I would expect Philly, Philly, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: that sounds about right.

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Speaker 3: Everybody showed up on the bus and they couldn't get in.

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Speaker 5: Back in the days, college stadiums weren't locked up now

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Speaker 5: they are. Yeah, I mean you could get in there.

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Speaker 5: We would get into I.

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Speaker 6: Did that in college. We would go, Yeah, walk the

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Speaker 3: Gets get used to the atmosphere and what you're facing.

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Speaker 6: I don't recall doing that in the pros at all.

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Speaker 6: I don't recalled Jimmy, but Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember.

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Speaker 5: I remember being on road trips covering the Cowboys and

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Speaker 5: the Jimmy era, and we would get in town the

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Speaker 5: day before and we would show in our rental car

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Speaker 5: and we'd go to the stadium to get video of

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Speaker 5: the team walking in for the walkthrough and stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite memories in my career goes back

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Speaker 5: to when I was working in Lubbock and SMU's Pony

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Speaker 5: Express came to Lubbock to play Texas Tech with Eric

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Speaker 5: Dickerson and Craig James beat.

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Speaker 7: They came to beat Texas to Well.

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Speaker 5: That was a crazy game. That was the game that

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Speaker 5: Tech had a lead in the final seconds of the

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Speaker 5: game and they ran the kickoff return throwback past to

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Speaker 5: Bobby Leach. He goes down the sideline right in front

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Speaker 5: of the Texas Tech bench to win the game, and

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Speaker 5: sim was right number two in the country. I remember that, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was. It was the same day as the Cal

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Speaker 5: Stanford kickoff returned through the band as a tuba player.

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Speaker 2: That was eighty eighty two.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what it was. And uh And in fact,

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Speaker 5: as I digress, the Tennessee Titans play where Alan Lowry

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Speaker 5: was a special teams coach for the for the Titans

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Speaker 5: against the Buffalo Bills, Wade Phillips.

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Speaker 8: Would have been eighty seven, was it the number eighty seven?

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Speaker 8: Frank Whitechek was number so I'm going to have received

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Speaker 8: it not the one that right. No, Alan Lowry was

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Speaker 8: a special teams coach with the Cowboys back in the

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Speaker 8: early eighties. Okay, he when he ran that play mirror

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Speaker 8: the Music City Miracle, he said after the game that

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Speaker 8: I've kept that play in my hip pocket ever since.

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Speaker 8: SMU ran it against Texas te in.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen two, the throwback to Bobby Leach down the sideline,

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Speaker 5: but the whole go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what year did that take place?

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Speaker 3: With it with the Titans.

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Speaker 5: Two thousand maybe something in that range.

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Speaker 3: We were on the tarmac watching it on the phone

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Speaker 3: because we had just landed wherever we were going, right,

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Speaker 3: we just got off the chart flop.

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Speaker 5: I've been ninety nine and we were Cowboys, would have

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Speaker 5: been in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: We were watching it on the tarmac.

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Speaker 5: But the reason I bring that up is SMU came

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Speaker 5: into town the Friday before the game, and myself and

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Speaker 5: my photographer, the ABC affiliate Lovebook, we go out there

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Speaker 5: and we were able to interview Eric Dickerson and Craig James.

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Speaker 5: Bobby Collins was the coach at SMU all the day

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Speaker 5: before the game. That would be unheard of today. I mean,

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Speaker 5: now everything is so restricted. They only make players available

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Speaker 5: And here we are interviewing Craig James and Eric Dickerson

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Speaker 3: Everson knows all about that. It's Saint Louis. We brought

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Speaker 3: it up the other day.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, that was that was That was two

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Speaker 5: hours before the game, So MYDAYNFE.

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Speaker 6: Look, whose fault do you think it is? Who are

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Speaker 6: they to blame for the change.

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Speaker 5: Right where we don't have any access anymore?

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Speaker 7: Is it the players for doing silly things or is

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Speaker 7: it the media themselves? It had everyone.

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Speaker 5: It happened with the Cowboys. I would blame one of

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Speaker 5: my favorite players with the Cowboys, Michael Irvan, in our access.

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Speaker 5: Our access at Valley Ranch was cut off once in

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six when Michael had his what things things

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Speaker 5: that were going on?

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Speaker 6: Ever, you made several several things, not just one moment.

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Speaker 6: There was several.

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Speaker 5: Moments when helicopters were hovering over Valley Ranch. That's when

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Speaker 5: we couldn't park in the players parking lot anymore.

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Speaker 3: And he walked into my office one day before he

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Speaker 3: walked out the ranch and sat down and goes, why

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Speaker 3: is everybody picking on me? I was like I had

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Speaker 3: to turn into father confessor or you know, listen to

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Speaker 3: his confession.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It was unbelievable. It's like, but that's the access we

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Speaker 5: had well, And it was the same not only with football,

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Speaker 5: but with the Mavericks. It's like, for example, yesterday, I mean,

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Speaker 5: we have a photographer who's outside the Mavericks practice facility

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Speaker 5: and there were other photographers from other TV stations and

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Speaker 5: they're outside a gated, you know, blocked off parking lot

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Speaker 5: and they get this this video of Nico Harrison leaving

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Speaker 5: in the day when the Mavericks practice over here off

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Speaker 5: be we would park right next to Blackman or Derek

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Speaker 5: Now? I mean, well, and the all timer was the

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Speaker 6: See do you think that that was appropriate? The way

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Speaker 6: So you know, and as you see how difficult this is,

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Speaker 7: You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't want Jerry or hiding in the bushes, val.

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Speaker 7: Jim did, hiding around the locker room.

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Speaker 3: Jerry's there. We're going to make sure when he gets

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Speaker 5: So that was later, I mean, when the old Jimmy

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Speaker 5: Maybe they didn't have the gate for him to get

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Speaker 6: And so you don't sneak around lockers and stuff like jim.

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Speaker 7: Let's just I'll.

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Speaker 3: Give you one example.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I did.

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Speaker 5: I was doing.

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Speaker 3: That's how bad the competition was.

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Speaker 6: It was, man, Oh my god, he was he would

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Speaker 7: And you know, guys were in the locker.

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Speaker 6: Man, we're talking about what night before, we're talking about

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Speaker 7: And I thought that was I thought somebody's gonna hurt

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Speaker 3: Well, that's because you guys were in quadrants in that locker.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was gonna find somewhere high. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: It was all right, all right, we that.

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Speaker 5: Was enough, going down memory lane, all right, heck Hecka takes.

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Speaker 7: Over the rundown.

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Speaker 3: Hey, no, no, Heckman probably remembers this because somebody brought

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Speaker 5: Oh back in the penetration penetration.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I lost my first championship game penetration.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to hear that.

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Speaker 3: In high school a little.

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Speaker 1: League A nineteen seventy one by penetration, and by the penetration,

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Speaker 1: I had no I didn't even know what the word meant, Like,

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Speaker 5: And as a high school football playoffs start this week.

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Speaker 5: By the way, back in our day, there was only

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Speaker 5: one team from a district that qualified for the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: The district champion qualified for the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: Back good old day on the rear.

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Speaker 5: Four make it four of them. Four in a five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, am I wasting my time? If I go see

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back to segment one of Mixed Shots

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Speaker 5: How Boys defense has to handle Brock Bowers and Ashton genty.

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Speaker 6: Hey, did anybody catch heckma looking as watch while we would?

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Speaker 7: You know? I got good peripherals still and these.

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Speaker 4: Guys now, I was checking my I received the text.

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Speaker 4: I received the text while y'all were talking. So jump

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Speaker 4: in there, tiger. What do you want me to say

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Speaker 4: about nineteen sixty nine?

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Speaker 4: What you want me to do you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: It's cool, man, it's all right man, it's I've become

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We're just old guys standing on sitting on the porch

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he would be hiding it up in the tree.

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Speaker 3: So the Cowboys did activate those guys yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Here we go again.

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Speaker 5: That there could be a signed Donovan Wilson's gonna be

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Speaker 4: I don't want to start talking like I'm counting anybody out.

447
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is that so right now, his numbers

448
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: haven't been one where you say, hey, asking Genty is

449
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: short fire a guy that you got to pack the

450
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage with. But look, they have Brock Bowers,

451
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: who is a matchup nightmare, and I worry about him

452
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: in this matchup because of the way we got safeties

453
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Speaker 4: coming back from you know, ir and we know that

454
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Speaker 4: he's a matchup nightmare. As you go back to the

455
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Speaker 4: last week and I just see that Denver knows how

456
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: to take your tight ends away and they took him

457
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: away last.

458
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Speaker 3: Week, just put over shown on him.

459
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Speaker 4: That's talk about hitting the ground running? Is that is

460
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 4: that is hitting the ground running one on one.

461
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: Now, Jerry said that they would manage his snaps and

462
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: he's not going to be out there full time. But

463
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Speaker 3: I think the point you made about Wilson, I think

464
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: he steps in and starts.

465
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Speaker 5: Do we think you would think?

466
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Speaker 3: What't you think?

467
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Speaker 7: I think? Yeah?

468
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Speaker 5: I mean it's saying what you're talking about. And you

469
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Speaker 5: put the two coming back from injuries or in this category.

470
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Speaker 5: Here's where So no, we don't know where they are. Okay,

471
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: maybe they'll be ready to jump in. We don't know.

472
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 5: But the other Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, they've been playing, so.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not hitting the ground run tries.

474
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: And Wilson has just enjoyed his second by Williams. Williams.

475
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Speaker 5: That's why I man and Wilson has two because he

476
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 5: was in active of the week before. He's been out

477
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 5: right for a couple of weeks too, so they should

478
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Speaker 5: be fresh.

479
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 6: I remember that when you guys asked what do you want, well,

480
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 6: it was covered between Quinnon and Wilson. I was a

481
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 6: Wilson guy in regards to I wanted a linebacker, and

482
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Speaker 6: so to me, when I look at how we play

483
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 6: defense and how defense is played, you got that d

484
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 6: line that you want them to do their job. You

485
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 6: want them to be able to take out all interference

486
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Speaker 6: for your linebackers.

487
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 7: Well, you want your linebacker who's smart enough to detect

488
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 7: where that ball is going right away.

489
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Speaker 6: Understand and anticipate that your lineman is going to take

490
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Speaker 6: care of the lineman keep the defense. When I take

491
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 6: the offensive lineman off of his back, it gives him

492
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 6: a chance to be the running back of the defense.

493
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 6: In other words, the linebackers trying to hit the hole

494
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 6: just like the running back.

495
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: Fill the gap.

496
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 7: Fill that gap.

497
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 6: So when you I know, as a linebacker exactly where

498
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 6: you want to go based on that blocking scheme, I

499
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 6: should recognize that. And when I'm there, when I anticipate

500
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Speaker 6: that I'm gonna beat that line, that offensive lineman there

501
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 6: and I'm going to meet that running back in the hole.

502
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Speaker 6: That is ideal for what the light the way a

503
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 6: linebacker is supposed to fill the spot, right, I thought.

504
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Speaker 3: I thought we saw that in the game Monday night.

505
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: They pointed out how this guy did this, this guy

506
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: did that, and the linebacker Nikobe Dean was a Dean.

507
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: They pointed out he hit the gap and the offensive

508
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: lineman didn't get off fast enough taking him out right.

509
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Speaker 3: And I thought that was jumped that play.

510
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: I thought it was unfair because I'm saying to myself, Okay,

511
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: he has David hes Carter, he has Phillips, all these

512
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: guys up front that can Definitely it's a stalemate up front.

513
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: And although it was a slow game, I felt defensively

514
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: the matchup man, it was. It was great to watch

515
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: a slow game, the chess match between the offensive and

516
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. In this game, Pete Carroll, you watch the

517
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: way that the Raiders play. They they overloaded the line

518
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 4: of scrimmage, not so much with offensive linemen, but with

519
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: tight ends, you know. So that's one thing that we

520
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: saw Denver do a lot of that overloading the line

521
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. And when they I think I believe Carolina

522
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: did that as well, and we had some problems with it.

523
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, you know, the bigger question is does

524
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: Ebra flu sudjust to that by going with what people

525
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: have been talking about the last couple of weeks, since

526
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 4: we had weeks, since we have Quinn Williams, do you

527
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 4: go to a five men front or do you stay

528
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: basic with the four with your four man front? And

529
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: if you do that, who are your starters in that defense?

530
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 4: Do you start with Quinn Williams Osa?

531
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Speaker 3: You know, if he doesn't start, he's in on the

532
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Speaker 3: second series.

533
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Speaker 4: And here's Williams, Yeah he's if he yeah, yeah, get

534
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Speaker 4: him out.

535
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Speaker 6: When I talk when you talk about the defensive lineman,

536
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 6: I'm looking at if they put in another offensive lineman,

537
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 6: would say two tight ends, that's the only way I'd

538
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 6: go five. I would look at their personnel, right, you

539
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 6: know that if they're bringing in a big offensive tackle,

540
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 6: you know to to go in motion. I got to

541
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 6: bring in the five, right, But I wouldn't do that

542
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 6: necessarily unless if they come out with just two tight ends.

543
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about going to five defensive line.

544
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: Well, then you just have three linebackers you trust that's right.

545
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 6: And you have, yeah, you have your four lineman that

546
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 6: you know, the four defense line that you think can

547
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 6: can handle a lot.

548
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 5: I don't know that the Raiders have five offensive linemen

549
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: much less.

550
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Really at this point they're dealing with that're dealing with

551
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: some issues.

552
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Speaker 6: Up.

553
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: Didn't they just lose somebody?

554
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 7: Sounds just like Carolina game?

555
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 3: Uh, but the guy steps in. It wasn't like I

556
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: came up with this great scheme to use five down line.

557
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: He was just using five because they couldn't stop him.

558
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: Right now, if Quinn Williams does his job and he

559
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: doesn't get busted out of there by a double team, right,

560
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: and he beats it, then I got linebackers that I

561
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: trust that I can fill.

562
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Speaker 2: Well, that's good.

563
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: That's what Cowboy fans are gonna absolutely get an opportunity

564
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: to see a true one tech and the guy that's

565
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: in there that won't get pushed to the to the referee.

566
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a differen it's gonna be a change.

567
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Speaker 3: Because I remember, really the Carolina game. Was it the

568
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: Carolina game? All they did was double team both tackles

569
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: the whole game. Right, And I asked Kenny Clark, I said,

570
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: have you ever been double team that many times? And

571
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: he goes no, not even close. But they figured he's

572
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: not gonna mess this up. We're taking him out. We're

573
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: taking him out, and we don't worry about the defensive

574
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: ends or the linebacker.

575
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Speaker 6: Mickey, that's what that's that should be the change right there.

576
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 6: Now they need to worry about them, right, that's what

577
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 6: I'm looking for.

578
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: Who's your who is starting next to Quinn Williams?

579
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Speaker 2: Who would be the other Osaye? Not Kenny Clark.

580
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: I would put Kenny Clark out there, and then when

581
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: it gets to passing downs, Osa's in the game or

582
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: somebody else that Solomon and Solomon going on. Yeah, so

583
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: they got what four guys uh that can play that

584
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: position and they're not messing around with Mazie.

585
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: Or he's gone.

586
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Toy is inactive today, right, yes?

587
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, Hey, Mozzie's one to oh is a New

588
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 5: York Jet. That's right? He played twenty snaps?

589
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: Did he really?

590
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Good for him?

591
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: Did he do anything?

592
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: I did?

593
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Well?

594
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 7: I hope he does. I'm like, you good for him?

595
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 7: You know, do something?

596
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 5: Finally got Perry and winfree also yes, when he's ready.

597
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, that position. Get those guys out there, and

598
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: I don't need to play five because they were It's

599
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: not like they were playing five because they were in

600
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: a three four and the outline and linebackers were out there.

601
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: These were five defensive linemen there.

602
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 7: Do uh all right?

603
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 5: Who on that defensive line of those tackles have the

604
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 5: traits or the skill set to be a in a

605
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: four man front, a strong side defensive end where you

606
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: can have three of those guys on the field at

607
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 5: the same time.

608
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: They used Kenny Clark this last game as a defensive end.

609
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 5: Nothing to say that you can't. You can't in a

610
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 5: four man front have Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark and Osa

611
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: or with Solomon as a defensive end.

612
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, and enough heard.

613
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the one thing that I think now

614
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: Ebraflus has at his disposal to be able to use

615
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: Osa like that, and this with the addition of Quinn Williams,

616
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be interesting, right because the

617
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: number one priority in every game here forward is going

618
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: to be stopping the run.

619
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Speaker 2: That's what you brought is.

620
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 5: Going to help your pass, right, That's what stopped the run.

621
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Speaker 5: Then you can get them in third and long and

622
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 5: you can you can actually pin your years back and

623
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 5: go after the quarter right.

624
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: And that's why you bring Quinn Williams in to be

625
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: able to stop that completely. Now, as far as your

626
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: linebackers and what we were talking about coming downhill and being reactionary,

627
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: that part is what I'm relying on Logan Wilson with.

628
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: But also when we get into when we're coming after

629
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: the quarterback, who are those guys on the outside as well.

630
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: There's so much revamping that I'm sure ebra Flus did

631
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: over the bye week. Know he's had plenty of opportunity

632
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: to go back and do the self evaluation of his defense.

633
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: What changes has he made after the bye week?

634
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 6: Is Quinnin a a three down player?

635
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: I think he can be.

636
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 7: I think he They don't bring him down, they don't

637
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 7: bring him out on third.

638
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: That his size, what they did the Jets did against

639
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Now, remember that was a really hot and

640
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 5: humid day and one in fact, this was long before

641
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: the Cowboys traded for him. In the aftermath of that game,

642
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: I went and looked at when Quinnin was on the

643
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: field as it related to like the long Cowboys had

644
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: a long thirteen or fourteen play touchdown drive and actually

645
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: Shottenneimer talking to us last week that they had to

646
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: obviously adjust their blocking and so forth when Quinn was

647
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: on the field, and they had things where when Quinn

648
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: came off the field, okay, now we're going to this,

649
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: And it was fascinating to go look back at it.

650
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: Even without that knowledge, you could see it tape, and

651
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 5: in particular that one drive of thirteen play drive, Quinn

652
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: Williams was on the field for the first four plays.

653
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 5: He would come off for three or four plays, he

654
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: went back on for the next four and there was

655
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 5: a rotation like that, which isn't uncommon with defensive tackles

656
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: in the league to keep Yeah, it's a long drive.

657
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: Try or where teams are setting up, like if they're

658
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 3: inside their own twenty trying to come out. You got

659
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: some backups in there because you're thinking, okay, I can

660
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: hold down the fort until this gets serious. And once

661
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: they hit the forty, it's like, oh, my starters.

662
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 5: And usually for a defensive tackle, you're gonna max out

663
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: at fifty snaps. I mean that is rare when a

664
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: defensive tackle gets fifty or more snaps in a game.

665
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: So I mean we talked about gent but brock Bauers

666
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 4: is legit as a tight tight end. They flex him out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a big wide receiver, so.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be he's gonna be Geno's outlet. Then, yeah,

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Speaker 6: gen if you got you gotta yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Nope.

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Speaker 4: But but I mean he is he is an outlet.

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Speaker 4: And brock Bowers, he hadn't been healthy all season. I

673
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 4: believe he played in only five games. But they have

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Speaker 4: some other guys, Trayon Tucker, Tyler Lockett. I played with

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Speaker 4: his dad, Kevin Lockett and.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 5: They just got Tyler Lockett. Yeah, he had four or

678
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Speaker 5: five catches last week.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, so he's won.

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Speaker 7: He's waiting all that time.

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Speaker 5: No, he was with Tennessee Tennessee. He asked for his

682
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 5: release from Tennessee and then Pete Carroll and the Raiders

683
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: signed him in any guy has a history with Gino,

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Speaker 5: so he'll be used a lot. And it really went out.

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 5: You can't really tell because it was Denver, one of

686
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Speaker 5: the best defenses in the league. The week before against Jacksonville,

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00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 5: brock Bowers had twelve catches for one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 5: three yards and not one, not two, but three touchdowns.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was that was a good game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first one hundred yard game of the season came

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Speaker 4: against Jackson Brown.

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Speaker 2: So this just something to think about. You know, how

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Speaker 2: do you how do you approach that?

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Speaker 4: Do you approach it with putting Donovan Wilson on him,

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Speaker 4: who hadn't been really good against tight ends that have wiggled.

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Speaker 6: He just yeah, he just doesn't play man to Manuel.

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00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 6: He's a good zone player, but he's not a good

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Speaker 6: man the man player when it comes to.

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Speaker 3: Get over get demo out there. I mean, somebody's done something.

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Speaker 3: Because they're only two and seven, right, so you know

701
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: they haven't figured out the Rubies Q on offense.

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00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: They won their opener against New England team and when

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Speaker 5: Lawers actually had a one hundred and three yards did he?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of England's New England's one of two.

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Speaker 5: Losses up and then their only other win came against

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Speaker 5: Tennessee y ten.

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Speaker 4: Well, they reflect you in a lot of ways. I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously their offense is a knee you know, it can't

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Speaker 4: do anything.

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Speaker 5: They've especially without Bowers against a good defense. Indianapolis, they

711
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: lost forty to six against a good defense. Kansas City

712
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 5: they lost thirty one to nothing. But against Jacksonville it

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Speaker 5: was a thirty to twenty nine loss in overtime against

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Speaker 5: a good defense. In Denver, they scored seven points.

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Speaker 4: And I felt the same way about Arizona's offense. That's something.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, Marvin Harrison Junior just had an

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Speaker 5: emergency appendectomy. No way, timing is everything. He has that

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Speaker 5: two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Wow, kidding, No, seriously.

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Speaker 5: No, he just had an emergency appen date. He's out

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Speaker 5: this week. Yeah, So all right, we continue with more

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Speaker 5: Go Bill, all right, segment two.

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Speaker 7: Now let's move on to segment two.

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Speaker 5: We covered it. Quentin Williams an over show the cats

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Speaker 5: the front. Good job, an you got that one. Oh

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Speaker 5: it's Wednesday, it is let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. That's why he was looking at

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Speaker 4: his wife. You guys ready to go? So, hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: listen to this. I gotta say this. So we're out

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Speaker 4: of the preliminary stage. It's time to get down to

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Speaker 4: the nitty gritty. So I really need you to use

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Speaker 4: your noodle on this one. Okay, I got some I

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Speaker 4: think this is hard. I think I went I went

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Speaker 4: deep on this one.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I am the number one pick in the NFL draft.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, let me get my get my

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Speaker 4: didn't have my book marks. Ready, you got hold on that.

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Speaker 4: Wait a second, Guys, in the nineteen seventy four draft,

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Speaker 4: you already know who I'm talking about. Mickey taking out

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Speaker 4: of Tennessee State. He wins best best nickname in the

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Speaker 4: game other than me and Joe Green. I am too

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Speaker 4: Tall Jones. All right, this player taken in the seventh

786
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Speaker 4: round of the nineteen ninety one draft. I am Leon Lett.

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Speaker 5: Junior out of Emporia State.

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Speaker 4: Out of Emporia State. This could be easy for some guys,

789
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Speaker 4: hard for others. Ever since, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 6: Two Tall Jones played with one team his entire career.

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Speaker 7: I believe it was fifteen.

792
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Speaker 5: Years minus one year for boxing.

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Speaker 7: Minus nineteen eighty. Nineteen eighty took off a boxing.

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00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 6: He has more bad downs, if I'm not mistaken, than

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Speaker 6: any player in history.

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Speaker 7: I also believe he has.

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Speaker 6: A combination of blocks and knockdowns.

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Speaker 7: I think he is the most in history.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to argue with you.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but I only know it because he

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Speaker 6: told me this.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, got it from the horse's mouth, so

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Speaker 4: you okay, we'll just say it's true.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's pretty cool. I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: Well, Bill is fact checking right now.

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Speaker 6: That's why I'm saying it with an open end there,

807
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Speaker 6: open ended comment.

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Speaker 7: God, it's easy for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And I love the big cat.

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Speaker 6: Hell yeah, I love that was a grown man and

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Speaker 6: in the world too.

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Speaker 5: And but I mean, in my opinion, too Tall Jones

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Speaker 5: should be in the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Torvey Martin that al.

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Speaker 5: Mar Now they've got on on Pro Football Reference. They've

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Speaker 5: got now the sacks were not an official stat in

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Speaker 5: the NFL untol eighty two, Is that right? Yes, they've

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Speaker 5: got on Pro Football Reference that Too Tall has had

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Speaker 5: one hundred and six sacks in his career.

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Speaker 7: That's a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's more than and a good number of them came

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Speaker 5: after nineteen eighty two. He had thirteen sacks in nineteen

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Speaker 5: eighty five and a ten sacks season in eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: You remember the controversy in eighty nine. He had started

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many games in a row, and

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Speaker 3: Jimmy decided that Tony Tony Tolbert was and it was

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Speaker 3: time to get him in. They weren't going anywhere with

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Speaker 3: these veterans in there losing, and so he was going

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Speaker 3: to start him and it was going to break Too

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Speaker 3: Tall Jones consecutive start record the franchise or.

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Speaker 5: What two hundred and three starts in his.

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Speaker 3: Career, and and everybody, the media just jumped on it.

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Speaker 5: The fans jumped down. No, you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: How are you going to do that?

835
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Speaker 5: You're gonna and.

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Speaker 3: So Jimmy started him and then took him out after.

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Speaker 6: The first enough, I remember that kept his starting sing right,

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Speaker 6: he had, you.

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Speaker 7: Know what, I was surprised he did that.

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Speaker 3: He agreed, and he agreed with it. Yeah, that you

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Speaker 3: kid should start because I'm not playing.

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Speaker 5: Extremely un ed was thirty eight years old at the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and too Tall played with some some amazing athletes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So he just wasn't tall enough on the catch because

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Speaker 3: he was chasing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, don't go for the pump fake.

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Speaker 2: It's unanimous. Too Tall Jones.

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Speaker 3: Now do you know how he got his nickname right?

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00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: When he showed up at Tennessee State. Yeah, they didn't

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00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: have they didn't have The equipment guy didn't have game

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00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: pants long enough for him because they came up to his.

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00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 7: Knees or something.

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: He'd have been in style nowadays. The kids over there.

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Speaker 3: So the equipment manager said, no, you're too tall, and

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Speaker 3: it's stuck.

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Speaker 7: And and I think he ended up.

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Speaker 6: Is he the tallest player in NFL history? Or did

859
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 6: they bring in somebody who? Yeah, I don't.

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00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 7: Think anyone's as any of any prominence.

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00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: What did I just see somebody?

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Speaker 7: It was a picture?

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00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 5: Sir?

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Speaker 4: How tall is Kalais Campbell? He hen six eight?

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Speaker 7: You know how tall?

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Speaker 2: Too tall?

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Speaker 7: Anybody? That you put it from?

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Speaker 5: Eryl CARMI go six eight that I looked him up

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Speaker 5: just when you were.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't remember teld you that.

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00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 6: Yeah he did, because I the damn guy.

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00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 5: He measured him.

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Speaker 2: How do you you cover a six eight receipt to?

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Speaker 3: You got to get into his boxy get okay?

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00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 5: So then how tall is Leon?

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Speaker 2: Six six? Yeah? Six foot six? One?

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00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: Thing about where he I first noticed him was at

878
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: training camp in Austin and his get off was unreal,

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00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 5: the big cat. And I'm like, who is seventy eight?

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00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 5: That guy? That guy? They got to get him under

881
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 5: control because he is off side every play, but he

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00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 5: was It wasn't offside.

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Speaker 3: That was u which Davis is fine. He went to

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Speaker 3: Emporia to look at a think he went there to

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00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: look at a wide receiver and he saw this guy

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00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: and I don't even know if it was on football tape.

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00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: He saw him on the basketball court, but he played football,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, I need to work this guy out.

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Speaker 6: Could you Could you imagine the temptation when you, as

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Speaker 6: a scout or coach you go see one player, the

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Speaker 6: temptation if you see another player.

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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely you didn't.

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Speaker 3: Always work out and you come back and say, coach, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that guy. This guy, well, we

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Speaker 3: can take him in.

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Speaker 5: That's why, that's why, as hecma Can attests, the transfer

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Speaker 5: portal is alive and well in football in Texas because

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Speaker 5: you want to get to the school where the college

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Speaker 5: scouts are coming out and we need to go all right,

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Speaker 5: all right, and we'll shout at you again tomorrow. Here

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Speaker 5: you're on mixed Shot.

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