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Speaker 4: So what did the Nationals get back for Beckenzie Gore?

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. JJ Hot Sheet by the Way live every

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Speaker 2: Shake it up.

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Speaker 1: We got a little news. Sir Anthony Demingez and the

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Speaker 1: in Garrett Crochet. So things getting a little bit rosier

433
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Speaker 1: for the White Sox power ranking them. Do I think

434
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Speaker 1: they have a chance. No, I don't think they have

435
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Speaker 1: a chance. Todd Father, do you in the American League Central?

436
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have an opportunity. I think they do.

437
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: I think it's listen, anything goes here man at the

438
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Speaker 2: end of the day.

439
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really good teams.

440
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: We've seen it last year.

441
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Speaker 1: There's some teams that you didn't think that would make.

442
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had we had some we had some difficulties.

443
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: White everyone would happened Kratz.

444
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: The White Socks come down to hang out.

445
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Speaker 1: With you guys today because I knew that someone was

446
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Speaker 1: going to try and try your damn internet off and

447
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: you would need me to talk more than they usually do.

448
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: And it's probably some White Sox fans who are like Todd,

449
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: the White Sox do not have a chance in the

450
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: al central that they do.

451
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: Ahead of time, I wasn't done until I got you guys,

452
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: couldn't hear me.

453
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad I'm.

454
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: Giving the benefit of the doubt. Listen, they're trying, They're trying.

455
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be good? No, they're not gonna make

456
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But like I said, it's wide open. Everything's

457
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: up for judgment. But this is one team that I

458
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: can say right now that probably won't make the playoffs.

459
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Speaker 2: But they are going to battle. They're going to battle.

460
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Todd, people, listen to you because you're an

461
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: honest person. I probably won't make the playoffs. Say it

462
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: with your chest.

463
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: No they're not gonna.

464
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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, No, there you go. That's it gonna.

465
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Speaker 3: But I think the White Sox are better. I think

466
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Speaker 3: they made I think they made steps to improve last year.

467
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: I think they have so much to appreciate, understand and

468
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Speaker 3: move on from last year. I think they took the

469
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Speaker 3: next step. I think the first step was Will Venable

470
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: coming in. Yeah, upgrade central at that position, the manager position.

471
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Speaker 3: Now you're seeing these young guys who are hungry first

472
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: and foremost. Kyle Teel hungry and he's playing a position

473
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Speaker 3: where everybody's gonna look at him every single play. Yeah,

474
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: I get it. He didn't hit three hundred, he didn't

475
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: hit thirty bombs. But I think your star is going

476
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: to be Colson Montgomery. I think you have those young

477
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Speaker 3: guys that are playing their role very well under Will Venable,

478
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: but I think adding some like wild cards here, they

479
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: are definitely improved. So kudos to Chris Getz for improving

480
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: this team. They're not making the playoffs.

481
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Speaker 2: Now, hear me out, and I hopefully you agree with

482
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: me here. Like these guys that are on this team,

483
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Speaker 2: they're they're fighting for me. If I'm playing on a

484
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: Chicago White SoC team.

485
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Speaker 3: At the beginning of your career, or you're playing it right.

486
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Speaker 2: Now, right now, Okay, it doesn't matter beginning or end.

487
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: There's opportunities to go play for other teams in playoff games.

488
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Speaker 2: If you go out and bang other teams like Hey man,

489
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: you know we had an injury at third base. This cat,

490
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Todd Frazier's tearing it up with the White Sox. Let's

491
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Speaker 2: do a quick trade. Bang boom. They're playing for other teams.

492
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, like knowing this team's not gonna make.

493
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: It, not the young but still not the young guys.

494
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Speaker 3: Still they're untouchable because.

495
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Speaker 2: Figure, if they want to put them in a trade.

496
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Speaker 3: Bait, there's I don't I'm.

497
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Speaker 2: Not saying they're going to, but I'm saying, like, listen,

498
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: well we want we want this guy because he's dominating.

499
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Speaker 2: We'll give you so and so and some cash or

500
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Speaker 2: whatever it is to make a playoff push. You can

501
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Speaker 2: get actually two or three other guys that can help

502
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Speaker 2: in that organization move forward. So again, I'm not the

503
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Speaker 2: biggest on prospects, you know what I say about them.

504
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you're a White Sox

505
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Speaker 2: team and you're not trying to win a World Series

506
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: now you're trying to get the pieces. Who's to say

507
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: that you can't get two other pieces just because one

508
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: other guy's going out there and dominating to help another team.

509
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they're gonna do more.

510
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: You're playing for the White Sox. But also you're playing

511
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: for your future.

512
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Speaker 3: That's all. That's always, Yeah, that's always. But I don't

513
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: think the White Sox not to get into it anymore.

514
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: But I don't think the White Sox are trading any

515
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: of those young guys because one Chris Getz, was working

516
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: in the minor league when they was there. So it's

517
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: like they're either gonna survive. They're either gonna do awesome

518
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: with his guys, or they're not. And that's they just

519
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: got here.

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Speaker 1: He's not trading the prospects. That's the whole point. Is

521
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Speaker 1: that you build up a farm system and a core

522
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: that you can either lock up long term or at

523
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Speaker 1: least you have them. They cost nothing right now. And

524
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Speaker 1: for some people that are like, oh, like so unfair

525
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: that the small market teams just buy up these guys

526
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Speaker 1: to trade them. Well, the White Socks aren't a small

527
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: market team, so let's wipe that away. Look up Chicago,

528
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: type Chicago DMA into Google. Let me know how that goes.

529
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: They're just operating like that right now. That's not our problem.

530
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: That's their problem. It's the year that just will never

531
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Speaker 1: go away. In baseball. Carlos Beltron acknowledges it. There was

532
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: a story put out by Jason Stark in The Athletic

533
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: that went over quotes from Carlos Beltron up in Cooperstown,

534
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: reflecting on the Hall of Fame nod and of course

535
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: getting questions about the twenty seventeen cheating scandal, not just

536
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: because he was on that team, he was the only

537
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: player listed in there. As for a paraphrase, here someone

538
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: who is a key player in this. So he is

539
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: well aware, right, and it comes out, and it was

540
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: right after he was going to be the Mets manager,

541
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: and then that went away. So there were ramifications for him.

542
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: They weren't any from his playing days, and it took

543
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: him several years to get into the Hall of Fame.

544
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: So let's dig into it. Todd Father, we've got the

545
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: right guy on today, because you were on the other

546
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: end of this and you haven't forgotten it either. And

547
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Beltron was a beloved player. He went over all of

548
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: this twenty years in the bigs. Ask teammates how I was,

549
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: ask people how I was in promoting the game, what

550
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: he's done in Puerto Rico to enhance the sport down

551
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: there and educate people, and actually literally just educate people

552
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: aside from baseball. He launched a whole high school that

553
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: he basically built from scratch. Right, So he's done a

554
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: lot in the baseball world, in the community, and he

555
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: was acknowledging the fact that it is never going to

556
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: go away, and he's aware of that, but he doesn't

557
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: want it to define him. The nitty gritty that he

558
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: went over Todd was how it was. And again I'm paraphrasing,

559
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: but like a Wild West situation, they thought everyone was

560
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: just going all out to do anything they could, and

561
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: they took it to a level that for some of

562
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: them they didn't realize other teams weren't doing. Do you

563
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: buy that? And in this article it talks about how

564
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Red Sox were punished right on

565
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: in seventeen and what's known as a base runner system

566
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: sign sequences to coded using in game video disseminated to

567
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: the dugout. Then when a runner got to second base

568
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: runner would often know how to catch or how to

569
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: crack the catcher's code. Right, we all heard about the

570
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: watch situation for the Red Sox, but Yankees and Red

571
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: Sox were both punished. Astros were like had some players

572
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: coming from previous Yankee teams, and they were like, hey,

573
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: let's take this to the next level. Forget the runner

574
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: at second, we can just relay every pitch. So your

575
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on what Beltron said.

576
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honestly, you know, if we're looking at

577
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: his whole career, I mean, let's take his whole career

578
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: for example, I mean he was a monster in the playoffs,

579
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: absolute stud Hall of Fame, Masque, playoff, just playoff wise alone.

580
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: Some of the things he did were absolutely unbelievable. He

581
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: was a great player, he was a great teammate. Ultimately,

582
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: he made a mistake. He made a big mistake, and

583
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't think, honestly I would agree to him. I

584
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: don't think that should define him. I think he's an

585
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: upstanding gentleman. I've gotten known him over the years. He's

586
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: a really good guy. I think he deserves to be

587
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. If you want the truth,

588
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going back in time, like listen, yeah,

589
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: they screwed up. There was a lot of things that

590
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: other teams did with electronics, you know, human element o. Man,

591
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: let's let's find a way to get you know what

592
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: this guy he has to tell but they went above

593
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: and beyond relaying signs left and right. Red Sox did

594
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: the same thing Astros. It was just stuff that you've

595
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: never heard of, and it's still it still hurts it

596
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: this day. I'm still upset about it, but I have

597
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: to find a way to move on too as well.

598
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: You know, I can't let that really crush me as

599
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: I move forward. You know, something I'll never forget, But

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm taking away with what he did for the game,

601
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 2: and I thought, no doubt about it. Hall of Famer.

602
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: His numbers prove it. He's a great guy too as well.

603
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: He made a huge mistake and I think him taking

604
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: ownership for it is really good. But at the same time, yeah,

605
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people people always remember the negative stuff.

606
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Speaker 2: That's just how the world is right now. They're always

607
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: gonna remember that. They're not gonna remember always what he

608
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: did best. But he was one of the better players

609
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: to ever play this game, and I think he deserves

610
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Speaker 2: being the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: P Yeah, I mean, I agree, he's a Hall of Famer.

612
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: I think his his career, his numbers stand for itself.

613
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: But if you feel like if your opinion about the

614
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: Astros signed stealing scandal is so egregious that he lied

615
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: that he, you know, cheated the system, then you're always

616
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: going to sit there and go. If he did it once,

617
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: he probably did it other times. Or he took it

618
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: from the Yankees and they were doing something like it,

619
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Speaker 3: and he took it from you know, the Mets when

620
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: he was there, he originally learned it with the Royals.

621
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Speaker 3: I choose to see it as way less nefarious as

622
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: everybody else does. And I have would never sit here

623
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: and boo somebody that was part of that, because I

624
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: saw what was going on there and I don't think

625
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: the I don't think the Astros were the only ones

626
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: that were crossing the line. But my line is a

627
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: little bit different. But I also know that in that

628
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: series with Todd playing, we talked about it in our

629
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Speaker 3: Catchers meetings, in our Pictures meetings that we were going

630
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: to have nine to twelve mound visits a game to

631
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Speaker 3: switch the signs up. We weren't gonna go, h third sign,

632
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: shake first sign, like this, it's not what you're doing.

633
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: So did the sign stealing video stuff with the trash

634
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: cans make the Yankees lose in that series? No, I

635
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: do not believe so because of how much how many

636
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: measures we were taking, because we already knew they were

637
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: doing stuff. So if you feel like Carlos Beltron was

638
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: a cheater his entire career, I have a hard time

639
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: telling you know, but I'm trying to tell you that

640
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: that's not how you make the Hall of Fame. He

641
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: was not an average player that just cheated his way

642
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: to being one of the best players of all time.

643
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: It just it didn't happen. I watched him on the field.

644
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: His size, his speed, his swing from both sides of

645
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: the plate is exactly why he's a Hall of Famer.

646
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: Everybody's done something. Very few Hall of famers slash superstars,

647
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: guys that play for twenty years don't have some type

648
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: of blemish on their career where you're like, oh, well

649
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: what about this?

650
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: Listen? And also, like you think back that Ald situation,

651
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: like if it was that, what do you call nefarious?

652
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: How you like to say, is that nefarious? Like crafty?

653
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: You like to say? Manford's the one that that needed

654
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: to come down and do something else about it. There,

655
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the they basically got.

656
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: Baseball knew about it, Yeah, they knew about it.

657
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: Then there they got to slap on the wrist. Pretty

658
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: much just come out and say that you did it. Okay, great,

659
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: now what move on? And it was hard to move on,

660
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: but it's hard for you to move on. And we

661
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: were part of it.

662
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: And Major League Baseball, Major leaue Baseball painted the picture

663
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: that we had no idea. Oh just go go in

664
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: and look at all the grievances against the Astros just

665
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: that season. Everybody glazes over that nobody thinks about that

666
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: when they keep booing Jose Altuve, who multiple players have

667
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: come out and said he was not part of it.

668
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: I believe that this is this was not a thing,

669
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: because just knowing how touve for a little bit that

670
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: I played with him, and a little bit that we

671
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: traveled to Japan together. I believe that. But people are

672
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 3: choosing their reality. And I'm just sitting here telling you

673
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: what Major League Baseball has wanted to kind of skirt

674
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: under the rug. We didn't. We didn't have any part

675
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: of this, just like Bud Seely didn't get any He

676
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: got into the Hall of Fame, and the steroid guys

677
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: aren't in the Hall of Fame. He's a Hall of

678
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: Fame general manager, So why under his under his rule.

679
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I say sorry, man, commissioner. Why

680
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: under that that this major scandal that everybody in the

681
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: world has been like, oh, how could baseball have the

682
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: steroid era? Who is the commissioner? You you are you're

683
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: complicit in it? If you are the boss, you're not

684
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: just you can't be. He's not that naive that, Oh,

685
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: I just have no idea. Just like they knew about

686
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: the astros, but they didn't want to do anything about

687
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: it because there was people having grievances. Other teams were

688
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: getting grievances written about them.

689
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: It was it was just a weird time and unfortunate

690
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: time because we're on the raw end of the stick.

691
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: We win the World Series, nobody cares, you know what

692
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: I mean. If they lose the World Series, it would

693
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: something might have came up, but it wouldn't be as

694
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: big because they, oh, we'll sor right. They didn't win,

695
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: so it's okay, but totally we won't forget it. But

696
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: ultimately they won the World Series. If one person does it,

697
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: everybody does it. In my opinion, they're a team and

698
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: will never ever know the full truth about who did it.

699
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: So benefited the most yeah.

700
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: And listen, you're gonna tell me what pitchre's coming. Please, Lord,

701
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: I would have loved to known every single time I'm

702
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: hitting that ball hard or I'm taking it, I'm taking

703
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: a hack where I know I'm gonna be comfortable, and

704
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: I've done it before because pictures have tells We've had

705
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that can pick it up. Chili

706
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: Davis was the best my hitting coach. He goes phrase,

707
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, seventy thirty. I said, seventy thirty. I'll take

708
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: that every day to week. Every day means sixty forty.

709
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: I'll take that every but he got but he always

710
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: told me, he said, listen, you can't be mad at

711
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: me if I get wrong. I said, yeah, you got

712
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: thirty percent. And we messed around. But it was an

713
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: advantage at the time, of course, so that that'll be

714
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: the little blemish. But again that I don't think it

715
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: should overshadow his career and what he did.

716
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: And Carlos didn't have a good year that year, so

717
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: if you think, oh, yeah, you know, he helped the

718
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: other guys out, but you go down the list one

719
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: of the dudes that had great years that year. If

720
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: you're just talking about the Astros had great years that

721
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: year and never once again touched that level. Go along

722
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: that go down that line, and then you tell me

723
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: who you think did or did not.

724
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: But I mar Gonzalez, I don't care. I'll name names.

725
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: There's stats up there. I mean, there are others, but

726
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Marvin Gonzalez. I mean, let's call a fade a spade.

727
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: Marwin's numbers that year were insane, incredible.

728
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: But I'm not even gonna number I'm just gonna say

729
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: moments in playoff moments like where maybe they didn't know

730
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: what was coming. I could have got to roll over

731
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: double play, like you don't know what the outcome was

732
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: gonna be, you know, the walk off home runs to

733
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: what was coming. Like, listen, I'm gonna hit the ball hard.

734
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: If you know what's coming, you're gonna be I'm telling you,

735
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: your body relaxes, your brain's like, oh, confidence out the roof.

736
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: That plays a part when you're hitting. And I don't care,

737
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hitting foul ball down the line third base

738
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: and better watch out in the third base coach. That's

739
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: probably Yeah, it's gonna come in hot. You gotta be ready.

740
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a big advantage and nothing really happened.

741
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this numerous time. Bud Beltrand Hall

742
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: of Famer, congrats, yep.

743
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: I can I ask you guys a question. If you

744
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: were on that team, what would you do? So I'm

745
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: trying to see and Beltron's not the right one to

746
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: pinpoint here because he was one of the ringleaders. But

747
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: there are people in the chat right now saying anyone

748
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: that was involved with that team, like, they're nothing for me, right,

749
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: that was the ultimate They don't get to deserve to

750
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: get into anything, blah blah blah. Right, So like, if

751
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: you're good that player on that team, what were you

752
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: supposed to do? Do you tell on your team never gonna.

753
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: Be a rat?

754
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: So what were you supposed to do? I mean, if

755
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: you're not one of the three big boys there, how

756
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do anything?

757
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: And wait, oh, you fall in line.

758
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Right, other teams are doing stuff. You're just doing it.

759
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I want to say better, but you're just you're cheating harder.

760
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: That was what was going on. So if you're on

761
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: that team, what are you supposed to do? I'm not

762
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: defending them because at the time I was like, this

763
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: is insane, but we also learned how widespread it was

764
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: in the game at the time. They just were doing

765
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: it at a higher level and at a level that

766
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: I think most people agreed took it too far. But

767
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: then now you go back and you're like, it was

768
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: all too far. The electronics stuff from the dugout was ridiculous.

769
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: It was it was all too far, and everybody's going

770
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: to have their opinion. I spoke out after I was

771
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: done playing and called some teams out, and there are

772
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: significant players on the one team that is very pissed

773
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 3: at me for calling their team out in that situation.

774
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: And my my information is taken from a player that

775
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: played on that team and saw what they did, and

776
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it was as far as what the

777
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: Astros did, But that player's pissed because they're associated with

778
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: what the Astros did. So their reality is completely fine

779
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: what they were doing, but it's not what you're allowed

780
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: to do right now, So was it fine another team

781
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: that I called out? The only two teams I called

782
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: out were from players that played on that team that

783
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: I played with later in my career. Yeah, that's what

784
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: we were doing, But I don't think in the playoffs

785
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: Todd that it was as big of a hindrance, or

786
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: it was as big it was used as much as

787
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: people would think. I think people see the trash can

788
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: scandal as every single pitch. I'm gonna get it. But

789
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: you know what, playoffs only take one pitch to be swung.

790
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: You swing, you swing your team in one direction. With

791
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: one swing, you could hit one hundred. Look at Max

792
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: Munsey's a bat in the World Series. Some people look

793
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: at it and go, ah, whatever, it was just one

794
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: home run. It made the game four to three. No

795
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: it it put Miguel Rojas in a situation where one

796
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: swing ties them up, which then gets them to the

797
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: to the Will Smith swing that puts them ahead. Like

798
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: that's how the playoffs work. And I don't think fans

799
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: need to just put a blanket statement. Anybody that was

800
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 3: a part of it, you're done because exactly what Scott said,

801
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: you would fall in line too, because the ultimate goal

802
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: as a player is to win a World Series. And

803
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: Carlos Beltron holds a lot of clout. He was at

804
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: the end of his career, and you start looking to

805
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: those vets and that time. I mean the different guys

806
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: that I played with at the end of their ends

807
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: of their career, Brett Gardner, C. C. Sabbathia. You know,

808
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: you start saying, we're playing for that guy, We're playing

809
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: to win a World Series for that guy. It's not

810
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 3: what necessarily drives everybody, but that stuff's mentioned. Carlos comes

811
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: up with this thing, your bench coach Alex Korra is

812
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: out with this thing. Guys, we want to win. We

813
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: got a good team here. We fell short and fifteen,

814
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: we didn't make the playoffs in sixteen. Now we're back

815
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: and we're in the World Series in seventeen. Yeah, like

816
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: they wanted to win it, and you would fall in line.

817
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Everybody out there would fall in line. Two.

818
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also trying to stay in the league. You know,

819
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: if you're not one of the stars. I mean, what

820
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Just go tell on them

821
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: and then think nothing's going to happen. You think MLB

822
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: is going to have your back and not say, oh,

823
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: this guy told on you. Of course they're going to

824
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: because that's what they're going to use as evidence against you.

825
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Todd Father, what did you want the league to do

826
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: that would have made the difference, Because some people are like, oh,

827
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: because it would have been difficult with the players and

828
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: the players' union and getting rid of money and suspensions whatever.

829
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: And for me, I don't care about that. Like if

830
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: you said the next season or once they found out

831
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and they they suspend them for X

832
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: amount of game, who cares. It already happened. I think

833
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: the only thing that could have been done to send

834
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: the message was the what was the line, the damn

835
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: metal piece of metal to take that away, that would

836
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: have been the thing where you're like, hey, I know

837
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: not one individual could have called this out so easily,

838
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: but as a team, this is what happened, and so

839
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: we're stripping the title like the NCAA used to do

840
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: if some player got caught taking some cash. Even though

841
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: half the league was taken, half the NCAA was taking

842
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: cash with a Reggie Bush usc it I.

843
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: Since I was a part of it, I don't think

844
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: anything would have changed it because we can't go back

845
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: and and we can't play the Dodgers. The Yankees couldn't

846
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: play the Dodgers again, So I don't think anything changed.

847
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: You could take the flag down, you can, you know,

848
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: take away the rings. But in my mind, if I'm

849
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: on the Astros. I still won the World Series. We

850
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: were the best team. So I don't know ultimately what

851
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: you could have done to hurt those guys, But you know,

852
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: like Kratzy said, it probably wasn't everybody, but it was

853
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: a lot.

854
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: It was a good amount.

855
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: So I don't know the answer there. But you know,

856
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: that would be the first thing that comes to mind.

857
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: What does that really do? What do you do you ring? Anyway?

858
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: You just put it in a nice place for keepsake

859
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: and bring it out once or twice a year when

860
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Speaker 2: you're hanging with the cronies or you're going to you know,

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Speaker 2: a big event.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I and and I think I think if

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Speaker 3: maybe this is the player's side of me who got

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Speaker 3: punished for this? Alex Alex aj Hinch, Hinch, Alex Cora,

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Speaker 3: Carlos beltrm, they are the ones that got punished. Why

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Speaker 3: did the commissioner of Baseball who failed in this, in

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Speaker 3: this like preemptive preemptive investigations? Why did not anybody? Why

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Speaker 3: did not anybody get punished? There? Like why does why

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Speaker 3: is just one side?

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Speaker 1: You want them to punish themselves?

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Speaker 3: Yes, if a if a school, if a school hires

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Speaker 3: a coach that does something illegal like let's say recruiting

873
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Speaker 3: or something like that. Sure the school was complicit in that.

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Speaker 3: If if a complaint is brought to Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: major League Baseball is complicit in it if they are

876
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Speaker 3: only reactive and not proactive in it. But they just said, oh, well,

877
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Speaker 3: it's another it's another complaint that we're getting in. How

878
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Speaker 3: much did they investigate it where they didn't want to

879
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Speaker 3: rock the boat? Did they?

880
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Speaker 1: So?

881
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but MLB, I mean, yes, they should have

883
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Speaker 1: cracked down sooner on this, but they're not going to

884
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Speaker 1: like punish like, oh, we're going to suspend ourselves for

885
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Speaker 1: a year. Like they reacted too slow. There's no doubt

886
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Speaker 1: about that. But then I mean, also I just will

887
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Speaker 1: add Ashlers were hit with some money, damages whatever, they

888
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Speaker 1: were suspended or they lost some draft picks. That's real.

889
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Speaker 1: Jeff Lunau got in trouble. So there was some discipline.

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't what people were looking for. I think

891
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Speaker 1: the only thing people were going to be satisfied with

892
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Speaker 1: was if they actually said they are not the champs.

893
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the franchise took a reputation hit

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Speaker 1: where I still feel as if it's like them against

896
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Speaker 1: the world, Right, they're gonna have that for a long time.

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Speaker 1: The people still boo the Astros like there's almost no

898
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Speaker 1: one left from that team, and they'll still do like

899
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Speaker 1: the rookie, right, they'll still boo the rookie like cheetah.

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Speaker 1: It's like he wasn't on that team. That was so

901
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Speaker 1: long ago at this point it was what is it,

902
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six? It was nine years ago. But that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. So I think it was very interesting to

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Speaker 1: hear Carlos Peltron talk about it. And I do give

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Speaker 1: him credit for talking about not just saying I'm not

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Speaker 1: touching it at all, right, like being a dude, and

907
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Speaker 1: actually most importantly too to sum this up, and I

908
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Speaker 1: think this is cool. He wants to manage again someday.

909
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Speaker 1: So hey, hey, krats hats, Actually you won't have one, Eric,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to wear a hat tomorrow? Confirmed, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, no, you're wearing a suit tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I got something that goes with the suit. Don't

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Speaker 3: don't don't sleep.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you're right, you can talk me into anything with

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Speaker 1: the tire game throughout all the rules wear suits to

916
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Speaker 1: wear it the way you want to wear it. At

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Speaker 1: the BBWA Awards galaic we'll be in New York City

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Speaker 1: tomorrow with all the superstars, and AJ will be up

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Speaker 1: on the big, big stage with all the superstars. We'll

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00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: be showing it to you. We're not just there to

921
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Speaker 1: do pre and post coverage. We're doing that, but we're

922
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Speaker 1: also showing the entire event. We did that last year

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Speaker 1: if you want to look back at how it appeared

924
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, we'll do it again for you. It's free

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Speaker 1: to watch, and it is the second time ever that

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Speaker 1: it is stream live. So we are looking forward to

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Speaker 1: it and we will grab as many guests as possible,

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Speaker 1: the ones who say yes, the nice ones, so it's

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Speaker 1: just luck and then we'll go over guestless next week.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be fun. Actually, I can give you

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Speaker 1: a couple teasers for guest lists. Of course, this weekend

932
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Speaker 1: is going to be a cool guest list. But I've

933
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Speaker 1: been going back and forth with Nolan Arnatto for the

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Speaker 1: last while now and it looks like we've got him

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Speaker 1: locked in for next week. I think we might get

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Speaker 1: a little Max Monsey action next week. So some good

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Speaker 1: names to chat with. We will see you on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: not Monday.

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Speaker 3: Saturday Live, Yes, enjoy the snow and get your snow on.

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Speaker 1: The Yellow one.

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Speaker 3: Snow won

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Speaker 2: H