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Speaker 1: I'm trying to drink this coffee. Y'all.
Speaker 3: Hope you drink some coffee too, wherever the fuck you at.
Speaker 3: Goddamn it.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday, y'all.
Speaker 2: It's Decisions Decisions back for another episode.
Speaker 1: And I have been waiting for this tea to Mandy Gotd,
Speaker 1: I don't like that it's tea. I don't like that
Speaker 1: it's tea. It is tea bag. It is not tea.
Speaker 1: Because you know what's crazy.
Speaker 3: I ended up talking to all my friends and bitch,
Speaker 3: stay aligned with me. So I'm ready. This is really
Speaker 3: like Lypton. It's it's hot tea to you. This is Lipton,
Speaker 3: this is you ain't know what Lypton is? Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is the this is the ice.
Speaker 1: Cold lemon lemon tea that.
Speaker 3: You get out the fridge. Okay, this tain't that type
Speaker 3: of tea. So basically, okay, y'all wed when.
Speaker 2: We were in l A and uh that commercial that
Speaker 2: you guys got to see or we did our rebrand
Speaker 2: while we were there. This old God, I don't like
Speaker 2: that you just did the smack on my date. Well
Speaker 2: we know you didn't do a smack on your date.
Speaker 3: Well, basically, I finally met Actor Bay and we went
Speaker 3: on a date. And yes, I'm smiling because even you know,
Speaker 3: I just went down. I just had to take a breather,
Speaker 3: uh for the recording. And he was the first person
Speaker 3: I just went to facetimon call like and you saw
Speaker 3: I called him when we got on stage from the
Speaker 3: live show last month. And that's what confused me, what
Speaker 3: confused you see, this is what this is why you
Speaker 3: was wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So basically went to LA and was only there for
Speaker 3: like two and a half days because we went there
Speaker 3: literally just for decisions, decisions, horrible decisions work and I
Speaker 3: met Actor Bay. So the plan was for us to
Speaker 3: meet up. I was supposed to go to the Lakers
Speaker 3: game of my little plug fucked up with the guy
Speaker 3: damn tickets, so we didn't go to that. And no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we literally said, in hindsight, it was a great thing.
Speaker 3: Goshad keep the home because the way so because we
Speaker 3: were staying downtown. We both said we wanted Japanese and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, come on, nigga, not you wanting
Speaker 3: the same foot as me because Japanese food is number one,
Speaker 3: the best food ever.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to shout out to that
Speaker 2: Asian girl and a couple, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry. So we ended up doing Katsuya.
Speaker 3: So we did Katsuya, We did Mister Wonderland, which is
Speaker 3: a speakeasy, and then we did a rooftop. So we
Speaker 3: did three dates in one night. We just kept talking.
Speaker 3: It was so great. So at dinner, I guess we'll
Speaker 3: start with what he did so we could at least
Speaker 3: get some tea, so that this is the tea I think.
Speaker 1: So he did a little bullshit.
Speaker 3: This is where y'all also get to see maybe why
Speaker 3: I'm single, maybe why it's taking me forever to get
Speaker 3: a nigga, because oh the thing we were doing, yes
Speaker 3: with the check. No, so there's something else. Oh no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about what we were talking about in
Speaker 3: the green room. So anyways, so we go to Katsuya.
Speaker 3: Anyone that knows about catsuya, it's like a nobu, It's
Speaker 3: like a it's like an upscale sushi restaurant, right, so
Speaker 3: when you go there, you expect to spend some coin.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's cute.
Speaker 3: We were sharing though, like all the roll stuff, So
Speaker 3: which get we do? So basically, son, so that's what
Speaker 3: I'm about to say. So literally, so we're we're on
Speaker 3: this date and y'all know how I told y'all I
Speaker 3: do not even fake reach for a wallet. So he
Speaker 3: goes to do I guess something that he does when
Speaker 3: he goes on dates. So the bill comes, the bill
Speaker 3: is sat and he goes to look at it and
Speaker 3: he makes this space like like it's a like it's
Speaker 3: a high bill, and bitch.
Speaker 1: I don't respond. So he's like, dang, you messed up
Speaker 1: my joke.
Speaker 3: Like there's this thing that there's a there's a Seinfeld
Speaker 3: bit that I normally do, you know when I go
Speaker 3: to dates, just to gauge of reaction. Now, y'all know
Speaker 3: I don't like tester quiz either, So he does this
Speaker 3: hold on it.
Speaker 1: You already know. I'm like, Seinfeld, I don't watch that Cracker.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So it was like this, so Minu Seinfeld. The only
Speaker 3: real Seinfield I've ever listened to was that Willet album.
Speaker 3: Like when Seinfeld opened up every goddamn song, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. You already know that's the only
Speaker 3: Seinfeld I know. I don't like him like that. So
Speaker 3: he does that right with the eyes wide open. Bitch,
Speaker 3: I ain't even flinch. So he goes to tell me
Speaker 3: he was like, dang, normally this is the reaction from
Speaker 3: a woman, and he's like, you know, they start, oh
Speaker 3: my god, this is it a lie all And literally
Speaker 3: on the day, I looked at him and was like, Nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm sober.
Speaker 1: I ain't even order drinks.
Speaker 3: I know that shit ain't expensive what it is one
Speaker 3: twenty And I literally look at him like you you
Speaker 3: weren't gonna get a response out of me for a
Speaker 3: little check when I wasn't even drinking this. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give you all the talk game for a month, nigga
Speaker 3: for months, And I said it could have been four hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm not flipped. Don't he fucking bro? Don't he British
Speaker 1: around higher?
Speaker 3: That's what I don't know, bruh. So he's like, he
Speaker 3: mad that I ain't reacting. I was like, well, first off,
Speaker 3: you were gonna pay for it, and I said, what
Speaker 3: am I flinching for?
Speaker 1: Nigga? I'm literally not drinking now.
Speaker 3: If I was on my drinking game where I probably
Speaker 3: had three faux drinks and then bitches was twenty dollars
Speaker 3: a piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because he doesn't drink. Did he actually seem
Speaker 1: bothered or no? No, no, no, no he didn't. Oh he
Speaker 1: was waiting for a mind you. I was like, what
Speaker 1: it is like once twenty it was like one thirty eight,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, niggas, don't do that.
Speaker 3: And I literally said, I said, nigga, And it's only
Speaker 3: because one of the items we had was market price
Speaker 3: and I ain't know the market price, nigga, I said,
Speaker 3: Otherwise I would have been on I.
Speaker 1: Will tell you, yes, tell tell men. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: Don't act surprise that a guy didn Hell, that shit
Speaker 3: is not attractive.
Speaker 1: That fellas.
Speaker 4: If it does look bad, you need to put on
Speaker 4: the biggest poker faces. I've definitely done that before.
Speaker 1: Wait, you've done what before? I'm like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: kind of high, but but I know I'm paying for it.
Speaker 1: But wait, but you let the girl know that. Damn it. No,
Speaker 1: you gotta put the poker face on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said seek, but the white women, I said,
Speaker 3: don't be bringing those sign Field jokes over him, nigger.
Speaker 3: But then what's crazy is so so we leave Katsuya,
Speaker 3: we head to the speakeasy, and if you guys live
Speaker 3: in LA and you've been to a Lakers game, you
Speaker 3: pass all of these tables with fucking graphic T shirts.
Speaker 3: LA live and out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Bitch.
Speaker 3: I wanted a Kobe and Michael Jordan GRAPHT T shirt.
Speaker 3: I said, oh, I want a graphic T shirt. So
Speaker 3: here we go. I know, I want a graphic T
Speaker 3: He's like, man, in LA, nobody buys these shirts. They're like,
Speaker 3: I said, I want a graphic T shirt. I like
Speaker 3: these shits. So I'm sitting here gambling with the nigga gambling,
Speaker 3: negotiating man, negotiate whatever is that, the negotiating.
Speaker 1: Gambling with a T shirt and nigga.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he like, he like two of forty. I said,
Speaker 3: two of thirty. I said, what's up? So literally he
Speaker 3: hears me go and he was like, dang, you just
Speaker 3: pull your wallet right on out.
Speaker 1: Don't put the T shirt.
Speaker 3: I said, oh yes, because this isn't a part of
Speaker 3: the date. I said, So whether you buy this for
Speaker 3: me or not. I'm gonna get the T shirt. So
Speaker 3: we're talking but no, mind you, he's also completely against
Speaker 3: me getting these shirts, but I really want to.
Speaker 1: There's no you think it's see, it's not.
Speaker 3: I want to tell them because I want to tell
Speaker 3: them the transgression of the date. Anyways, he ends up
Speaker 3: buying me the shirts and we go to the speakeasy.
Speaker 3: Of course, we get to the speakeasy, we're both mind you,
Speaker 3: not drinking, so I make them make me a pickle martini,
Speaker 3: no licker, so it's literally probably just pickle juice and water.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. So we're at the speakeasy.
Speaker 3: Of course, wouldn't be a date without the goddamn bar
Speaker 3: spitting around, and it turns into a fucking bur Less performance.
Speaker 3: So now we're at watching a Burless performance at this speakeasy.
Speaker 3: Then we go to the fucking rooftop and we're just
Speaker 3: talking and laying down and it's great.
Speaker 1: Night's over. We linked at like five thirty.
Speaker 3: It's almost eleven, so we pretty much spent like five
Speaker 3: six hours together. Didn't even feel like it could have
Speaker 3: like continued on, but we had to record the next morning,
Speaker 3: so and he had a photo shoot the next morning.
Speaker 1: So we go to end the date and it's wonderful.
Speaker 3: He walks me to the lobby of my hotel room
Speaker 3: before he goes to head back wherever the fuck he
Speaker 3: lives in La and we embrace each other with a
Speaker 3: really really big long hug and he kisses me on
Speaker 3: my forehead, and then we depart, and so I come
Speaker 3: in the next morning, y'all, and I'll tell Weezy about.
Speaker 1: This great old following day.
Speaker 3: It wasn't me, it was me, No, it was only
Speaker 3: you when you're your makeup artists, because everyone else.
Speaker 1: But she wasn't mad that we didn't kid.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying how many people were doing Oh
Speaker 2: there was There was six people in the room. Yeah, me,
Speaker 2: my makeup artist, Mandy's makeup artists. So she's telling us this, right,
Speaker 2: mm hm. I never said anything wrong. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: why don't you kiss?
Speaker 1: Didn't think anything was wrong.
Speaker 2: I started out, no, No, it was about what you
Speaker 2: said you were okay, So you were like, oh, kiss
Speaker 2: your other ford.
Speaker 1: I'm like that sweet, but I'm just expected to make
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you said I never kissed on a date.
Speaker 3: On a date, if I'm not fucking yeah both, I
Speaker 3: vote yeah, that's not crazy. That is not crazy. First off,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. No, no, no, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1: You know why.
Speaker 3: First off, I'm a grown ass motherfucking woman. Like if
Speaker 3: you were at high school and you feel like you
Speaker 3: gotta make out because you got to go back home
Speaker 3: to your mama house. That is the excitement of making
Speaker 3: out on a date when you were a grown ass
Speaker 3: woman just going on a date. Why am I sitting here?
Speaker 3: Oh it's a roman to make out with a nigga
Speaker 3: just to make out with him.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Making out is Why would I make out with a
Speaker 3: nigga who's leaving and going home and I'm going to
Speaker 3: my room. If we're gonna make out, I mean as
Speaker 3: well put your dick in my mouth. I don't understand, bro,
Speaker 3: this is real. Why am I making?
Speaker 1: Why clip?
Speaker 3: I'm not making First off, let's be very clear too,
Speaker 3: what if you were going on multiple dates? Me ending
Speaker 3: multiple dates making out with a guy at the end
Speaker 3: does not make sense.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's make out? Why can't you
Speaker 1: share a kiss intimately?
Speaker 3: A pop kiss is not an intimate kiss. A pop
Speaker 3: kids a pop kiss is like to me, making out
Speaker 3: his tongue. That's the kiss you're talking about, right, You
Speaker 3: want me to make out with a nigga like I'm
Speaker 3: in high school.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be like all day long.
Speaker 3: But I'm not saying all day long. Let's let's justify
Speaker 3: a kiss. A makeout is tongue. I think a kiss.
Speaker 2: Can be intimate if it's not a makeout too like,
Speaker 2: I think you can end the date.
Speaker 3: I think it was very intimate that he kissed my forehead.
Speaker 3: We didn't do the We didn't do the Spaniard the Italian.
Speaker 3: We did we had an embraced hug. And then he's
Speaker 3: really tall. He's really tall. So at all he's tall.
Speaker 1: He's tall. Maybe that's so mind you kisses me. He
Speaker 1: kissed me on my forehead.
Speaker 3: But also that's the other thing. I date niggas six
Speaker 3: two plus, bro, I got to look like a little tro.
Speaker 1: You think nigga that are tall don't kiss.
Speaker 2: Come on, I know it's tall niggas, But I'm just
Speaker 2: saying you really thinking that, because I know you said
Speaker 2: it in the green room that day. I never had
Speaker 2: a kiss with.
Speaker 3: Not that I didn't sit here and be like, let
Speaker 3: me suck you off in the car after to bro
Speaker 3: why am I making out?
Speaker 1: What question? If you went for it, though, would you
Speaker 1: have let it happen? I think it would have felt weird,
Speaker 1: like even when we there was no way for.
Speaker 3: It to happen, because that's the why would we just
Speaker 3: make out?
Speaker 1: But maybe we're just friends?
Speaker 3: You said that, No, I didn't you because we didn't
Speaker 3: buck after I know you were like, oh, we're not.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: You asked if if you think I friendszoned him or
Speaker 3: he friendszoned me friend? I didn't have to answer no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're absolutely friends right now. But you use the word
Speaker 3: friend zone and I said it's possible.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see how it is.
Speaker 3: And you literally kiss after literally asked me as well, well,
Speaker 3: are y'all still talking? And I said he hit me
Speaker 3: when he got home, and we've been talking all day
Speaker 3: like normal. Nothing has changed in our dynamic of.
Speaker 1: How we talk. Would you have let him kiss you?
Speaker 1: Letting kiss is like, yeah, we both didn't go to
Speaker 1: your theory.
Speaker 3: If you have let him kiss to me though, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A pop kiss is one thing, and.
Speaker 3: Now we found real childish y'all know, and they're navigating
Speaker 3: a kiss to me after a date, especially a first
Speaker 3: date that is not ending in a nightcap, and.
Speaker 1: A good first date, that's a six hour day, that's
Speaker 1: a good first.
Speaker 3: Day, which is why it absolutely did not need to
Speaker 3: end in a fucking childish ass makeout.
Speaker 1: So why do you keep calling you child?
Speaker 3: I think making out with someone is childish, especially yes,
Speaker 3: I think that's why I sell.
Speaker 1: No because I'm.
Speaker 3: Celibate and and to be honest with you too, And
Speaker 3: you guys may hear more of this on on Patreon
Speaker 3: or when I when I, but I do know when
Speaker 3: I when.
Speaker 1: I did Tuesday, I am.
Speaker 3: I am navigating right now my relationship between drinking and sex.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I was so present on the
Speaker 3: date and it felt so good and we talked like
Speaker 3: we did on the phone clearly for hours that I
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, there actually could possibly be a tie
Speaker 3: between my hyper sexuality and liquor because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad. I really enjoyed the date.
Speaker 3: I'm still talking to him daily for hours.
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, uh, not kissing as bad didn't
Speaker 2: mean that at all. I was surprised you guys didn'
Speaker 2: kiss because you've exchanged nudes and ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I said that too. He exchanged nudes though
Speaker 3: when we first met in the DMS. Once we started
Speaker 3: fucking crying with each other about our trauma. This, I
Speaker 3: ain't seen a.
Speaker 1: Dick sen enigma. Y'all exchanged news, but a kiss would
Speaker 1: have been crazy. No, no, no, no, actually that's I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't like this.
Speaker 3: One is virtual, one is in person. They're two completely
Speaker 3: different things.
Speaker 1: But right, but you're building it. I get that.
Speaker 3: But because we didn't have sex, so we both went
Speaker 3: in knowing that we weren't. Because he knows I'm celibate
Speaker 3: right now, we both went into where there wasn't pressure
Speaker 3: for him to come up to my room.
Speaker 1: Hold. Wow, wow, guys, we are really breaking the thousand. Okay,
Speaker 1: one more question.
Speaker 2: Yes, you've been on a date, right, Let's just say
Speaker 2: a guy who walks you to your the bottom of
Speaker 2: your building or whatever, or even in the.
Speaker 3: Car drops you off. You haven't had a kissing session
Speaker 3: before you left ever? When I was in high school,
Speaker 3: or I told you, I really only made out with
Speaker 3: niggas when they picked me up from the airport because
Speaker 3: they flew me out and I knew I was gonna
Speaker 3: fuck them that weekend. I am not a dater. I
Speaker 3: think we've talked about this on the pod, and so
Speaker 3: when I go on dates, yeah, like it's I'm getting
Speaker 3: to know you. This was nice, let's see each other again.
Speaker 1: I told you.
Speaker 3: There's the the musician guy with the dreads, Lenny Kravitz
Speaker 3: looking niggas. I've been on three dates with him, amazing dates,
Speaker 3: fucking we close down and speak easy. At record room,
Speaker 3: we went, he took me to a fucket to Chinatown
Speaker 3: and we did the Arcade and then we did a
Speaker 3: bar in Brooklyn. Dates and we haven't kissed. Why why
Speaker 3: do you think that? I think that's a part of
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 1: I'm not really ye are you.
Speaker 3: I'm not leaning in to kiss them to me. I
Speaker 3: also and and this could be just I feel like
Speaker 3: the conversations are so open in regards to our previous relationships,
Speaker 3: our sexuality and things. Because of the show that I
Speaker 3: have and what I'm free with talking about that, I
Speaker 3: think a part of me doesn't feel the need to
Speaker 3: lean in physically like it's there. We've been talked about
Speaker 3: the things that I'm in too. We've talked about the
Speaker 3: things that I want. I don't think I need to
Speaker 3: present myself physically to someone. And I also don't just
Speaker 3: like making out with a random nigga. I don't even
Speaker 3: think of it as making out.
Speaker 2: I think it was breaking this barrier of like, oh,
Speaker 2: now it's become a romance. So the first date, let's
Speaker 2: just say you meet on an app or you meet
Speaker 2: cold eyeg whatever. You're figuring each other out right. You're
Speaker 2: getting to know each other for some reason. To me,
Speaker 2: maybe those maybe I'm wrong. I am curious when people
Speaker 2: think what that marker is. But for me, the kiss
Speaker 2: seals it. The kiss kind of confirms for me, like
Speaker 2: we're both attracted beyond just a surface level.
Speaker 1: Oh we are we friends or not. There's something about
Speaker 1: a kiss.
Speaker 2: That then shows me one that there is a little
Speaker 2: bit of intimacy here, even if it's not turning into sex.
Speaker 2: I don't expect kisses to turn into sex ever, if
Speaker 2: the first you just said it lets you know that
Speaker 2: it's beyond friendship. But and to me, a date, a
Speaker 2: first date absolutely is not to signify that. To me,
Speaker 2: we already know we're attracted to each other, especially if
Speaker 2: we meet online or we've already exchanged the actual attraction
Speaker 2: with each other, we've already engaged that we are into
Speaker 2: each other, we've all been turned off. We get to
Speaker 2: a date and motherfucker start getting whack. But that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I've gone on multiple dates without kisses. I've
Speaker 2: I've continued to talk to people and there still is
Speaker 2: a sign of interest without us being physical.
Speaker 1: So the first time that you get you look so shocked.
Speaker 3: This is crazy to me, Like the way you're like,
Speaker 3: you're you're asking me the same question for the seventh
Speaker 3: time and it's not gonna change.
Speaker 1: Do y'all notice that?
Speaker 3: Hold on, whoo he do y'all realize that she has
Speaker 3: asked me the same question of time even No, it's.
Speaker 2: Where you're really attracted to someone. No, don't kiss until
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: I normally normally Yes, I Am not just making hey
Speaker 3: this kissing mention and be like, oh pussy next. No
Speaker 3: I no, no, not what I'm saying. That is not
Speaker 3: what I'm saying for you, though, I mean maybe for me.
Speaker 3: But by that point, if I'm kissing you were on
Speaker 3: my couch, we're in a bed, like I don't feel
Speaker 3: the need to make out with someone in a public.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see now, Okay, so like she has to
Speaker 1: be maybe I've never been.
Speaker 2: In a sexy speakeasy or a rooftop and you just
Speaker 2: share my ex.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: My ex was probably the first person I was out
Speaker 3: here having PDA with outside of maybe outside of maybe
Speaker 3: the nigga that I said I'm making double back to.
Speaker 3: We made out a in a strip club one time.
Speaker 3: But I don't be out here doing PDA with niggas.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe no one's ever leaned in when
Speaker 2: dates a little Okay, so that's a question too.
Speaker 1: We're sitting across. Yeah, no one's made the move on you.
Speaker 2: Even when you talked about the linning gravitude your leg
Speaker 2: was on his, It wasn't. We didn't kiss, we didn't
Speaker 2: move to man, you put your leg on me right now,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I swear to me. Oh the second a
Speaker 2: woman for me too. If a woman does too much
Speaker 2: touching me.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, y'all. That's why I digga's got mino and ship.
Speaker 1: Out here, y'all. Nasty y'all, would you show you a
Speaker 1: little bit of attention. That's leg on me. Bro. We
Speaker 1: were close and there was a couple next to us.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get closer because we were really
Speaker 3: having a deep conversation about our upbringing. Bro, baby, Bro,
Speaker 3: don't you put your leg on EDDI? If you have,
Speaker 3: I don't think I would put my leg on Edi.
Speaker 3: I would put my leg on on Wolf.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I don't. I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I think we've had a lot of not what you
Speaker 1: mean by leg and what do you mean? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: know what?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, because I'm sick of talking about this ship.
Speaker 1: God damn.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna ask me the same way. But if
Speaker 3: he was trying to make out with you, if he
Speaker 3: was trying to make out with you.
Speaker 1: Decision kiss me? No, bro, wait, go ahead and go
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 3: You have made I was I make out in the
Speaker 3: lobby of my hotel without being.
Speaker 1: Like, how would you have stopped it? How would you
Speaker 1: have stopped that?
Speaker 3: Then? No, I don't understand why wait what do you say? Well, well,
Speaker 3: by the way, are you are you on a microphone?
Speaker 3: You're doing a lot of talking them. Not be on
Speaker 3: a microphone. I need you to act like we're professionals
Speaker 3: over here. Share the microphone with you on your mouth?
Speaker 3: You have made out with him? If you went for that,
Speaker 3: I probably would have pulled away.
Speaker 1: Damn, and then what would you do?
Speaker 3: Are you trying to come up to my room? Why
Speaker 3: are we making out? I don't understand why?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: I guess I'll say this maybe something that just hit
Speaker 2: me because you said, why are we making out? Why
Speaker 2: are we making I am satisfied with enjoying kisses with
Speaker 2: someone and stopping I love. I don't think I need
Speaker 2: to go far like I think a kiss sharing that
Speaker 2: it's sexy. It's not even teazy. I genuinely don't feel
Speaker 2: like it's edging for me. I enjoyed just the kiss.
Speaker 2: I don't always need something to lead to the end.
Speaker 2: I don't need to get naked. I don't need to
Speaker 2: be naked with you. Even with women, the kissing can
Speaker 2: be enough for me.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, So do you want to know what I
Speaker 3: may attribute it to?
Speaker 1: Oh, not me digging deep into my therapy. No, it's
Speaker 1: not even trauma.
Speaker 3: As much as I think a lot of my just
Speaker 3: a lot of my relationships with men are physical. Okay,
Speaker 3: So to me to be able to spend five or
Speaker 3: six hours and not be physical at all and still
Speaker 3: be so enthralled. That's why I like musician Nigga bro
Speaker 3: Our first date four hours and we.
Speaker 1: Were talking about his children.
Speaker 3: I don't even like kids, and I was asking him
Speaker 3: questions about his kids, like. We had such a great conversation,
Speaker 3: and to be honest with you, I don't even think
Speaker 3: niggas be that entertaining. So when I finally meet someone
Speaker 3: that's attractive and can hold my attention with conversation for
Speaker 3: six hours, I almost don't want to by just going
Speaker 3: straight to being physical.
Speaker 1: So now I realize, too, Oh God, here we go.
Speaker 1: Now you do it so deep.
Speaker 2: I want to kiss you the more I'm getting intimate.
Speaker 2: To me, talking about someone's children for hours is intimacy.
Speaker 2: Talking about deep things that's intimacy. I actually want to
Speaker 2: share the kiss now.
Speaker 1: You know. See to me and I think, but to me,
Speaker 1: it's the opposite.
Speaker 3: And it may be because if y'all listen to horrible
Speaker 3: decisions for for what, for forever, forever, forever, I wasn't in.
Speaker 3: I had really no concept of intimacy. And I think
Speaker 3: in my last relationship intimacy came in the forms of
Speaker 3: spending long hours with my ex. Everything out of the
Speaker 3: bedroom is actually what I miss about that relationship, And
Speaker 3: so I think intimacy for me now is being able
Speaker 3: to be in those quality nigga not not love love
Speaker 3: language shit, that's probably what it is. And so the
Speaker 3: idea of like kissing or doing anything that's physical to
Speaker 3: me leading that that, in my mind leads to sex
Speaker 3: is bottom barrel last, Like, we know we're gonna get
Speaker 3: there eventually. I want to like you before we get
Speaker 3: to all that shit. And to be fair, niggas don't
Speaker 3: know how to kiss.
Speaker 1: That be the worst. Niggas don't be out here knowing
Speaker 1: how to kids.
Speaker 2: Why you used to say I need to fuck you
Speaker 2: quick to figure out? You got good day for good
Speaker 2: dayside feel about kill that's how you feel like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: Kiss is bad. Niggas don't be knowing how to kiss.
Speaker 3: So if I like you and then you ruined it
Speaker 3: with a bad kiss, nah, now you don't ruin it.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: Remember when I was dating the Dreamville dude two years
Speaker 2: ago and I couldn't figure out what it was. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I'm so into him, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's friendly. Do you know why
Speaker 2: I said that?
Speaker 1: Because he did? Oh, because he didn't kiss you? And
Speaker 1: I remember what you did? You just be out here
Speaker 1: kissing on niggas. No, he even said it to me too.
Speaker 1: But that's such a like a pivotal moment for a
Speaker 1: lot of people when it comes to dates. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you break that?
Speaker 2: And I said he He also said to me we
Speaker 2: met at Dreamville.
Speaker 1: That's why I call him the Dreamville nigga. Right.
Speaker 2: We were going on dates, dinners, drinks, flirting damn near me,
Speaker 2: dancing on his dick at some parties, and we didn't
Speaker 2: kiss till the fifth date. And I remember saying to him,
Speaker 2: oh my god, finally, and he was like, I didn't
Speaker 2: know if it was friendly or not.
Speaker 1: So this not finally.
Speaker 3: Probably suck a dick before kissing the naked though, that's
Speaker 3: the crazy part, Like I don't I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: This is not horrible to say, but that's where no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 3: Not cluipping that, but do not have back and kiss
Speaker 3: from the didn't even say we're working back. This is
Speaker 3: this was a really thought thought provokey. No, it makes
Speaker 3: don't clip the.
Speaker 1: But no.
Speaker 3: So I think that that's my thing, like really leaning
Speaker 3: into what intimacy looks like without being physical with somebody,
Speaker 3: because to be fair, that's been the easiest part.
Speaker 2: You're so crazy too, then let's get some Yeah, you
Speaker 2: kissing to me is not the physical part of dating.
Speaker 2: I actually think that's so like, I think physical part
Speaker 2: dating is like nakedness more sexual.
Speaker 1: Kissing isn't sexual to me. There is. There is literally
Speaker 1: fluid swapping. I don't know that is fluid.
Speaker 2: Swopping, plastic romance, innocence like anyway, go, So, so the
Speaker 2: kiss on my forehead was that thank you that I
Speaker 2: love a forehead kiss. I would have been like, oh,
Speaker 2: he doesn't like me. I'm not I love literally.
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say if he kissed you on the forehead insteaded.
Speaker 3: I love he wants he wants because you like that
Speaker 3: level and that's what you're striving for it. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: like the forehead kiss.
Speaker 2: The forehead kiss. I like when I'm already kissing you
Speaker 2: a forehead kiss before the lip kiss, I'd have been like, oh,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: That? Is it my breath?
Speaker 2: Like I not saying for you to to think like that.
Speaker 3: That's how I just so you know, me and him
Speaker 3: had this whole conversation by he ain't kissing. We we
Speaker 3: both didn't think it needed to happen, like we both were.
Speaker 3: We literally he was like bro. Like he didn't say bro.
Speaker 3: He said, bro, you already knew. And he says, my
Speaker 3: accent is getting worse. He told you that already to
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 1: I can. He's like, how do we talk every day
Speaker 1: and it's getting worse? I said, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's getting really bad.
Speaker 2: Wait, you know what though, if I would have seen
Speaker 2: someone dick, Like, let's just say, because I've met a
Speaker 2: lot of dudes, I've met some dudes from like a
Speaker 2: different you know, long distance shit like and we've done
Speaker 2: that whole thing. We kissed before, like the first second
Speaker 2: we meet in person. But I think again, we reverted.
Speaker 2: We don't send newes to each other, we don't even
Speaker 2: talk sexually. Send him a titty right now, take a pause?
Speaker 2: Whoa first off, Yeah, we are doing too much. Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's not too hypothetically speaking. All right, let's get into
Speaker 2: our apathetical. We're gonna break the ice and we're getting
Speaker 2: away from dating insects. Okay, and we'd love to know
Speaker 2: yours to Eden, Wheezy, here we go.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you could go back in time and witness
Speaker 3: a historical event, which one would you choose?
Speaker 1: And why?
Speaker 2: I have a dream you really would want to be
Speaker 2: there for that only because when Bernie Sanders talks about it,
Speaker 2: and I met one other person in my lifetime of
Speaker 2: talk that that was there.
Speaker 1: She was like.
Speaker 2: Maybe eighty something, very clear when she talked about it,
Speaker 2: but was also experiencing dementia until she talked about that moment.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we'd love to see that. Like, to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that there's a pivotal moment and
Speaker 1: to see white people kind of turning. Now. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I want to see this as at that age.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it would be very interesting to
Speaker 2: see the moment that people thought it was gone, Like
Speaker 2: what did it feel like in the air where people like,
Speaker 2: what what did that feel like?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 2: The closest thing we had to it when George Floyd
Speaker 2: died and Joe Biden got elected that for some reason
Speaker 2: felt like a little bit of pain relief for I
Speaker 2: feel like that's probably that moment for us today. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not matter like we were in hell bitch, what
Speaker 2: about you Eden?
Speaker 1: Like I want to see Michael Jackson for the first time.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not mad at that one battle moment to
Speaker 3: think about all these R and B and pop artists
Speaker 3: who are so influenced by him doing that that because
Speaker 3: there's video of it, but like to know and be like, damn,
Speaker 3: that's Michael.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's Michael Jackson, and then.
Speaker 4: Too like he's doing this dance and his moves and
Speaker 4: ship and the teas, and then like everybody's loving it.
Speaker 1: I love it? Okay?
Speaker 2: Is it wrong now that I want to change my
Speaker 2: answer to something fun? The elevator with the lane, I
Speaker 2: won't be the I'm not mad at that one, niggas was.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at that one. I mean we know
Speaker 2: what they was fighting about, though, No, we don't. Becky
Speaker 2: with the with the guy hair, I don't.
Speaker 1: Believe it anymore. You don't believe it, you know what?
Speaker 2: Yeacuse everybody thought I was pregnant and what you say,
Speaker 2: I don't want to I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird because when when I when I
Speaker 3: thought of this hypothetical question. I don't know why, and
Speaker 3: maybe because between uh me just watching this fucking Freaknek
Speaker 3: doc and then going back to like the spring bling
Speaker 3: era of like like spring break, if you wrote hip
Speaker 3: dri video get made just saying no, A part of me,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, A part of me does kind
Speaker 3: of want to go back to the era of no phones,
Speaker 3: just having a good ass fucking time without all the
Speaker 3: shit that we worry about today, like and I feel
Speaker 3: like we got a little bit of an inch of
Speaker 3: feeling it, like even when we were using our fake
Speaker 3: id's and ship to get into the No. I want
Speaker 3: to go back, No, not even early Internet, Like I
Speaker 3: want to go back to where you had to develop
Speaker 3: the film and nothing was posted.
Speaker 1: You had everything in your mind and memories.
Speaker 3: And then the only other the only other time that
Speaker 3: I I think I would want to go back to.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie again, Prohibition Roaring twenties era. Bro,
Speaker 3: you said that was a bad time for us. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to go back in the North. Wasn't we free? Yes,
Speaker 3: Like like the Harlem Renaissance was happening.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Bad things that were happening the North.
Speaker 1: Weren't we free? Gave the talking about bitch.
Speaker 3: Maybe we weren't free everywhere bitch in the Nord in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 1: So we're good now now, I mean I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: hold you. We still are some fund up times now,
Speaker 1: bro about witch. No, there's still niggas driving around Georgia
Speaker 1: with confederate.
Speaker 2: Maybe do you want to be a mixed girl the
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty they think you better just be out here
Speaker 2: with a flat for fick and not. Yeah the fuck
Speaker 2: we ain't never seen this answer the hell that come
Speaker 2: from g M o.
Speaker 3: O. Kick you out man, which I do like the
Speaker 3: outfits for. Back then, Damn, I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: be a flopper.
Speaker 1: You would have been a cleaning lady bitch. That's fine.
Speaker 1: We could have been where we are today, jessep Mill's bitch.
Speaker 3: I would have been a goddamn Jesubel at the goddamn club,
Speaker 3: fucking around with the marriage.
Speaker 2: I do think if I was gonna live at any time, Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about being a moment.
Speaker 1: Is there any time? Talk about it every goddamn week,
Speaker 1: bit so trained me. I'm not okay.
Speaker 3: The nineties, No, so trained is the nineties early nineties
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of when Moore was on that bitch. Oh
Speaker 1: you want to go back, you wanna.
Speaker 2: Go okay, I want to do mid seventies, early eighties,
Speaker 2: give me a little Studio fifty four, a little fresh
Speaker 2: cookya right when the ship was high school?
Speaker 1: Oh, bitch. I think that's why I even said.
Speaker 3: That's why I even said, uh, the early nineties because
Speaker 3: the way they be talking about the big Meach era
Speaker 3: of the clubs and how the niggas had real money
Speaker 3: like the.
Speaker 1: Dope boys these days.
Speaker 3: That's why when you said this shit is a live show,
Speaker 3: give me a dope boy, they broke. Now these little
Speaker 3: scammers be literally doing some shit for like twenty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars the peasants. The scammers today is not scamming like
Speaker 3: they used to. The drug dealers they selling the drugs
Speaker 3: because the Feds got it for the free.
Speaker 1: But like you know what I mean, like weed, everybody
Speaker 1: sells that back thou bro hood millionaire tried scammer. Drug
Speaker 1: dealer guys ain't hitting like they used to. Like okay, fine,
Speaker 1: give me a cartel member.
Speaker 3: I think they don't make money. Wait, cartels don't make money.
Speaker 2: They don't, but like, no, no, no, they kill everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not the women they love. It's everybody that hates them,
Speaker 1: kill the women they love. Oh are you gonna kiss them?
Speaker 2: Watching Netflix show, I would kiss my cartel leader, I
Speaker 2: really think, honestly, Oh my god, if I could have
Speaker 2: been in Studio fifty four. Sometimes this is how I
Speaker 2: know Studio fifty four was lit. My mom will go
Speaker 2: out and like we were at this at James and
Speaker 2: MIA's wedding. Right she meets someone's mom, they start talking
Speaker 2: about New York. They realized they were on the same age.
Speaker 2: The way they talk about Studio fifty four, like like
Speaker 2: we were in this era.
Speaker 1: It must be like freakingick bitch. Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I just saw a documentary on Oh, Shine and Bitch,
Speaker 3: the way like New York Club, like the way the
Speaker 3: nightlife of New York looks in the.
Speaker 2: Early in the early nineties, early two thousands, I'm like paradise.
Speaker 2: Like dude, the Martinez brothers. If anyone loves house music,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know this their father, Oh yeah that music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did not know that, Like because I was hanging what
Speaker 2: do you do uh, do you remember the Martinez dad
Speaker 2: He was famous for what song?
Speaker 1: Like one that we all know?
Speaker 3: Actually was it like Daddy Yanky or some shit like that? Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm I know it was.
Speaker 1: But if she's right, I'm no. I love Old school House,
Speaker 1: Jungle Brothers, all of it.
Speaker 2: So like if I could have been nineties fucking dance
Speaker 2: party Studio fifty like.
Speaker 1: Same, that's what I say, I would have been back
Speaker 1: in that. What's crazy?
Speaker 2: Every time I read about like I love Bosqueat, everyone
Speaker 2: knows I've got him chatted. When I start reading about
Speaker 2: shit and everybody be dying from Heroin, I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, was that the thing? Because we do Molly?
Speaker 3: No, No, no, everyone was dying from Heroin the same
Speaker 3: way everyone's dying from Fannel now, same shiit, same ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those girls. Just
Speaker 2: give me a little fun bomb and I'll just dance
Speaker 2: a night away. I don't want the hard shit that you.
Speaker 3: Don't know until you don't wake up. Like that's kind
Speaker 3: of how that works. They they are a lot of
Speaker 3: them thought that they were just having a good time too.
Speaker 1: Bitch, you never found it.
Speaker 3: It's just an't all right, let's get into our reactionary clip.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play a clip now. Now, this is a
Speaker 3: little bit problematic, and I can't wait to talk to
Speaker 3: you guys about it, and it then will lead us into.
Speaker 2: Much more problematic. In this beginning convo, this was not problematic.
Speaker 2: Grided's gonna fight about them that case. They're gonna say normal,
Speaker 2: I like sata and side now kiss, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not playing with you. Okay, here's the clip. I'm a
Speaker 1: black man who's bisexual, so if I end up with
Speaker 1: a white wife, it's okay because a black woman's deepest
Speaker 1: fear is a secret gay husband. Oh, earth quake with it.
Speaker 3: Hold on, because there was a few things that were
Speaker 3: said there that I want to point out.
Speaker 1: So he said, mind you, he is.
Speaker 3: A bisexual black man, and he said, so when I
Speaker 3: end up with a white wife, don't be mad, because
Speaker 3: a black woman's worst fear is ending up with a
Speaker 3: secretly gay man. So, first off, contradictory there, he's leaning
Speaker 3: into his reason for being in an interracial relationship by
Speaker 3: admitting his sexuality, but then saying that a black woman's
Speaker 3: biggest fear is a secretly gay black man. So I
Speaker 3: want to decipher that because a man being bisexual is
Speaker 3: not the same as a DL guy. I want to
Speaker 3: draw those similarities real quick, because yes, I do believe
Speaker 3: that any woman has the right to be upset and
Speaker 3: angry at finding out later that their partner is dealing
Speaker 3: with men. That doesn't make her homophobic. However, However, you said, well,
Speaker 3: so he said that he's most He's pretty much saying
Speaker 3: that as a black bisexual man, he feels like he
Speaker 3: has kind of no other choice but to really be
Speaker 3: with a white woman because black women do not accept bisexual.
Speaker 1: Hot Teke.
Speaker 2: If you are a bisexual man that has felt unsafe
Speaker 2: and riddle culed by your community and you.
Speaker 1: Have felt some safety somewhere else, I'm mad at you.
Speaker 1: An interracial relationship.
Speaker 2: Okay, I say this because, uh, I don't think there's
Speaker 2: two issues here. The rhetoric that black men are hearing
Speaker 2: and receiving from their black moms, sisters, friends about buying
Speaker 2: die niggas, yep, their friends and black women and how
Speaker 2: the public would make them feel to one bet with
Speaker 2: a man like that, and how they view black men.
Speaker 2: So if white women will accept you in your sexuality,
Speaker 2: take it. I'm not saying that black women don't desert
Speaker 2: that these men are worthless, not by any means. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying to me, I don't want to see another
Speaker 2: black man having to hide themselves. If they feel, you know,
Speaker 2: welcomed by that, then fucking take it my too. Many
Speaker 2: people that are fighting their sexuality find where you want
Speaker 2: to find love.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of black women know that'll accept you,
Speaker 2: that listen to this show, that have opened their eyes
Speaker 2: like I've met them.
Speaker 1: I've met bisexual couples.
Speaker 3: Actually shout out to the one we had on hem
Speaker 3: Hem me too. He did, okay, he was like, bitch,
Speaker 3: I an't remember I was jan We Jamaican. I know,
Speaker 3: I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember that anything. I didn't remember Dominican. I
Speaker 1: thought he was loved you. Also, I something that made
Speaker 1: me think.
Speaker 2: I saw this tweet one time and said, you ever
Speaker 2: met a nigga and thought they was gay and you
Speaker 2: found out they were just married to a white woman,
Speaker 2: Because I'll need them all the time.
Speaker 3: So I guess that was my That was my problem
Speaker 3: with this thing, and that is my problem. I hate
Speaker 3: to make this a problem with black men yet again. However,
Speaker 3: creating this type of dialogue is the same. He is
Speaker 3: acting in the same way as the Passport bros. He's
Speaker 3: acting as the same way of the black men who
Speaker 3: parade and say how much better white women are in
Speaker 3: terms of nurturing, submissiveness, the way they present themselves. I
Speaker 3: just hate that it's our own black men constantly saying
Speaker 3: how awful or how how how much Black women pushed
Speaker 3: them away in terms of love only because I do
Speaker 3: think that they're stereotyping Black women. Because I'm aware of
Speaker 3: many Black women, of course, being in lifestyle that are
Speaker 3: accepting of a bisexual man, that are open with non monogamy.
Speaker 1: I think that part of them. You know why you
Speaker 1: know them? Well, no, and I get that that's why
Speaker 1: I know them.
Speaker 2: But no, But it's true, Mandy, we're talking from this
Speaker 2: is all tribes. Like, there's people that have never met
Speaker 2: someone trance. There's people that have never met someone in
Speaker 2: a throple dog. We're talking from a different place. The
Speaker 2: rest of the world.
Speaker 3: I get that, But the rest of the world, you know, well,
Speaker 3: the rest of the world. I want to talk about
Speaker 3: the rest of the world. I never see content and bitch,
Speaker 3: I'll be going down rabbit holes. I never see content
Speaker 3: of white men saying and this is why I don't
Speaker 3: date white women. I never see Middle Eastern men say
Speaker 3: and this is why I don't date my own women.
Speaker 3: I never see any other race do that to the
Speaker 3: extent that black men have the need to constant.
Speaker 1: Black women do it too.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But what I'm saying, I'm talking about us.
Speaker 1: We do this to each other.
Speaker 3: The only the only that I see about black women
Speaker 3: saying why they don't date black men and hot take
Speaker 3: The only time I see that is genuinely from black
Speaker 3: women that have felt as though they were not esthetically
Speaker 3: what a black man wants.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm gonna tell you what. It's not that black
Speaker 2: women are talking about not dating black men. Black women continually,
Speaker 2: even on this podcast, make content about how niggas ain't shit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, the fact, But I've also know this is
Speaker 2: not even no no, no no. We can say niggastion
Speaker 2: shit with they behavior. But I have never even said
Speaker 2: I wanted to date anything but a black man. But
Speaker 2: I'm saying, though, that doesn't mean that you're not creating
Speaker 2: the content me too. Doesn't mean because I'm jumping into
Speaker 2: your throat, I don't want to be like, I'm holding
Speaker 2: black men accountable. This is like some Amanda Seal shit
Speaker 2: in a way, right, Amanda Fields is completely I'm listening,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing where you're going. Amanda Seals His content feels
Speaker 2: like she's constantly attacking black people. I don't like her, However,
Speaker 2: I do believe all she wants is a betterment of
Speaker 2: Black people. She does be doing too much, and a
Speaker 2: lot of times we all be doing too much. I
Speaker 2: think black women are talking about their heartbreak, their pain,
Speaker 2: and that's why we get on here and talk about
Speaker 2: niggas ain't shit, because we're fucking over it and we're venting.
Speaker 1: It's not that we're trying to tell the world black
Speaker 1: men are terrible.
Speaker 2: But we can only talk about this heartbreak we've had
Speaker 2: or whatever and listen as a bit shooting dated and
Speaker 2: white niggas.
Speaker 1: When I first moved to New York, they're all the same.
Speaker 1: But it's just the stuff that we're making. We vent
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: And also, Black people have so much fucking trauma about
Speaker 2: who's got to be here, who's got to be what.
Speaker 2: That's why white people don't do this, bro, We are
Speaker 2: not an option to them. They're not even thinking about this.
Speaker 2: There's a million of them. We are constantly doing this
Speaker 2: to each other, bro Like, it is a constant battle
Speaker 2: of sexist within the black community.
Speaker 1: I do think white people make that red pil con.
Speaker 3: I still think we can talk about each other without
Speaker 3: constantly saying and this is why I go elsewhere, This
Speaker 3: is why I don't want my own people.
Speaker 1: My people are bad because they do this.
Speaker 3: We literally our own people are the only ones that
Speaker 3: lean into the stereotypes and dismiss us the way that
Speaker 3: every other race does. And what I'm saying is I
Speaker 3: don't see the content from Dominicans saying why.
Speaker 2: They don't date dominicane Dominican.
Speaker 1: Is it just Dominicans people too?
Speaker 3: First off, because they want to be white. We saw
Speaker 3: what happened with the elect It's because they don't even
Speaker 3: accept their own ethnicity. They want to be white, passing
Speaker 3: or negatal because baby, the fucking Dominicans to be no
Speaker 3: but no. But what I'm saying is even within the
Speaker 3: Latino community, they they align themselves as either blacks or
Speaker 3: white still like, so, I think there's still that rhetoric
Speaker 3: happening within their community as well. I did before we
Speaker 3: move forward though, not asking you Eden because I know
Speaker 3: that men love bisexual women, but I would want to
Speaker 3: ask you Weezy before we get into the history of homophobia,
Speaker 3: which is what we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you how you would react present
Speaker 3: day if your current partner opened up and said, hey,
Speaker 3: right before we got together, I sucked a little dick
Speaker 3: to see what it would be.
Speaker 1: Like, why did you leave? Now I get it, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. That would be an interesting approach.
Speaker 3: No, but like because they're so open with each other
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna I'm gonna share my that.
Speaker 1: Would be the problem. But I would I will tell
Speaker 1: you this though. I mean, we're so She's right, we
Speaker 1: are so open with Yeah, So like if you just
Speaker 1: sa because that would be the problem.
Speaker 2: But I would not leave him one because I know
Speaker 2: he's scared to lose me if he didn't tell me
Speaker 2: this isn't I cheated on you?
Speaker 1: Wait, why would you be upset? Why do you can?
Speaker 3: I ask you because that is something where I don't
Speaker 3: know how long I would date a guy before I
Speaker 3: tell him, Yeah, I really enjoyed getting sucked by two men,
Speaker 3: me and my ex We never had that conversation, so
Speaker 3: it so it does take a while to open up
Speaker 3: about your sexual history, even with your partner.
Speaker 1: So because he.
Speaker 3: Doesn't identify as bisexual or even queer at all, maybe
Speaker 3: that would be an experience he was waiting until that's
Speaker 3: why I understanding, Like he's not. But then why would
Speaker 3: you be upset? Because why why is that? Why was
Speaker 3: that your immediate response?
Speaker 2: Because we both have gone really far with explaining our
Speaker 2: sexual history and what we're looking for, what we want,
Speaker 2: what we want to try, I would kind of feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, also I'm talking about with the current person
Speaker 2: i'm with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm yeah, I can't see it.
Speaker 2: I don't We've gone so far into deep, deep diving traumas,
Speaker 2: weird shit when we were kids. Virginity is like even
Speaker 2: things that were towing the line.
Speaker 1: With other people.
Speaker 2: Wait, Like I just would be very surprised and it
Speaker 2: would kind of make me feel like, ooh, I'm not
Speaker 2: that much of a safe space because I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was because of how open they are.
Speaker 2: So then aside from that, though, is there in my
Speaker 2: last relationship, actually wouldn't be surprised. Sorry, I mean that
Speaker 2: not wow, I mean I wouldn't be surprised if he
Speaker 2: held something like.
Speaker 1: That for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, But then outside of holding that information, you're saying
Speaker 3: you wouldn't it would make you feel a way. No, Okay,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to because that that's even. That's even
Speaker 3: I think the fear that a lot of men have
Speaker 3: because I and I did want to.
Speaker 1: Buy the different though I know, I mean, we're both different,
Speaker 1: but that's why I still want to have time and
Speaker 1: I love to. I mean, no, but that when I
Speaker 1: hear this video, Yeah it sucks because it's a black
Speaker 1: woman attack, but it's not black women, it's I believe
Speaker 1: this comes from black men. No, I agree, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like when it comes
Speaker 1: to queerness in the way black people make each other feel.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: We got to see it in Insecure, right Molly was
Speaker 3: dating a guy that she really liked and he.
Speaker 1: Came out and let her know.
Speaker 3: When I was in college, I experimented and she completely
Speaker 3: became uninterested in him.
Speaker 2: So I think the way if someone came out horrible
Speaker 2: right now, a black sexual nigga and started talking about
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, the only guy we had that I
Speaker 2: can think about right now, is Zachary's saying he's white dude,
Speaker 2: but just talking about second date, even pussy whatever.
Speaker 3: No, we've uh Eli the naked trumpeter at quite a
Speaker 3: few of our sex workers actually are queer leaning.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying.
Speaker 2: We've had to go someone bat. I'm telling stories back forth,
Speaker 2: back and forth. Right, the comments in this section are
Speaker 2: going to be so different from another podcast. And I
Speaker 2: really if you put that shit on the Shade Room,
Speaker 2: if you put it on Twitter. Even a keen Wits
Speaker 2: made a comment to me his U haul clip about
Speaker 2: fucking those two white dudes in the U Haul So funny, right,
Speaker 2: I was different when he went on lip service. He's
Speaker 2: like the way people treat me, or even when it's
Speaker 2: circulated on Twitter. There was something about me talking about
Speaker 2: being peed on on Twitter. And our comments are different,
Speaker 2: Like the general public is not welcoming at all. And
Speaker 2: I have been in a bubble. Remember when I was
Speaker 2: just saying to you like this is us, this is
Speaker 2: our world. I have really been in a bubble of
Speaker 2: openness and liberation, like genuinely, and it kind of when
Speaker 2: I get snapped back into it at a different dinner
Speaker 2: table with different people. I'm thinking they're shallow, or they're jaded,
Speaker 2: or they're small minded.
Speaker 1: Nigga, they're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're too much. That's why, Yeah, I hate
Speaker 3: too much. I get it too much for that. But
Speaker 3: I mean no, I think that these are the conversations
Speaker 3: like this is what should become normalized.
Speaker 1: Trump got elected again and by a it wasn't a time,
Speaker 1: it wasn't close.
Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to. I wanted to get through some
Speaker 3: of the history of homophobia. The terminology, by the way,
Speaker 3: if you guys didn't even know, is so new. The
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties is where this word was even coined by
Speaker 3: psychologists Joyge Weinberg. And it's a combination of the word
Speaker 3: homosexual and of course and of course the Greek word phobos,
Speaker 3: which means fear or aversion. Now, homophobia can take many
Speaker 3: different forms, including negative attitudes and beliefs about an aversion
Speaker 3: to or prejudice again bisexual, lesbian, and gay people, and
Speaker 3: it's often based in an irrational fear and misunderstanding. Now,
Speaker 3: for the book that we have coming out, no holds Bard,
Speaker 3: make sure you get it now pretty style. I do
Speaker 3: talk about in my chapter digging into anal sex.
Speaker 1: My kind of view on kind of kind of sharing
Speaker 1: my even term of or not termed. But when I
Speaker 1: was I felt I was a bit homophobic. I actually
Speaker 1: remember who I didn't read your little racist chapter.
Speaker 3: Uh it wasn't racist, but I remember my thoughts around
Speaker 3: anal sex. If a man wanted to fuck me in
Speaker 3: my ass, I was like, oh, he's got to be gay.
Speaker 3: And I remember not wanting to be interested in having
Speaker 3: sex with anyone who didn't want my pussy hole, Like
Speaker 3: why do you want my asshole when there's a pussy here?
Speaker 3: And I had to unlearned, like I was like, why
Speaker 3: am I having this? I mean clearly I peg now
Speaker 3: and I do all the little fun things, and I
Speaker 3: would date a guy who's bisexual. I would love to
Speaker 3: suck a dick with my partner. And so when I
Speaker 3: when I go back to like meet, unlearning things and
Speaker 3: viewing my own sense of homophobia, I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: what what is that rooted in? And for a lot
Speaker 3: of the black community specifically, it's rooted in the fucking
Speaker 3: church and in the home. So I do like what
Speaker 3: you said even about the bisexuality with black men is well,
Speaker 3: how does your mom, your sister, your aunt? How do
Speaker 3: those women even accept your sexuality in the home before
Speaker 3: you're even going out to date.
Speaker 2: Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if i'd
Speaker 2: even heard my mom say like, oh, that's gay, like
Speaker 2: if a guy's but like, oh he must be get
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure I've heard.
Speaker 1: That, And this is no shade to our mom. My
Speaker 1: mom's seventy five years old, Like what the fuck is
Speaker 1: she gonna think like you? And it's not even a
Speaker 1: bad thing, but you know that's that's yeah, it is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 3: But that was used for so long as a slur
Speaker 3: as negative, like no one wants to be referred to
Speaker 3: as gay if they're not.
Speaker 2: Iasonally think there was maybe one bisexual conversation I had
Speaker 2: with my mom. She didn't call him gay. There was
Speaker 2: a guy I went to prom with. If I could
Speaker 2: find you, I would love to find you.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: We went to prom together and he was gay. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be shocked. I went to one prom and it
Speaker 3: was with a white man. Can you believe that he
Speaker 3: invited me? But I didn't go to prom my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: By the time I was going to prom, he was
Speaker 3: too old to come go figure, I went to one
Speaker 3: prom with a white man.
Speaker 1: Oh see, I couldn't go to a prom with my niggas,
Speaker 1: so I went with my gay bestie.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I really do want to find you anyway,
Speaker 2: So if you I see this, uh anyway, Basically, I
Speaker 2: think he did something with a girl, and I remember
Speaker 2: telling my mom. I guess he was messing with so
Speaker 2: and so. My mother never said anything about him being biergay.
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, he does all of them, he fast.
Speaker 2: I think bisexuality and men back in the day ah
Speaker 2: was seen as hypersexuality.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I think probably even if we're women too. Oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I told you.
Speaker 3: Y'all go on, patron a sex worker slut shane me
Speaker 3: because I was out here dating a couple.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so like it does look like that, so
Speaker 1: real quick. Just a little timeline too.
Speaker 3: In ancient Greece, same sex love was accepted between free
Speaker 3: born men, but in the nineteenth in the ninth century BC,
Speaker 3: like kirgis, I don't know. I'm glad we got rid
Speaker 3: of these names from back then because them shits is
Speaker 3: hard made it a crime punishable by death or banishment.
Speaker 3: In the Middle Ages, intolerance towards homosexuality grew, especially here
Speaker 3: we go amongst Christians and Muslims. The motherfucking Church. I
Speaker 3: don't know why they was acting like they wasn't out
Speaker 3: here sodomizing each other. They was in the Bible, probably
Speaker 3: in the Koran and whatever other episode about this. Yes, yes, sodomy.
Speaker 3: We talked about it.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe even did it.
Speaker 3: In England in eighteen thirty five, the last two men
Speaker 3: were hanged for males homosexual activity, but prosecutions continued. In
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven, the law was changed to decriminalize consensual
Speaker 3: homosexual acts between men over twenty one, Bro, nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 3: that's a year my breaking mom was born. That's a
Speaker 3: great instagram consensual homosexual that's crazy. And of course, y'all
Speaker 3: in the US in the mid twentieth century, the lavender
Speaker 3: scare y'all look that up led to the mass dismissal
Speaker 3: of homosexual people from government service. Gay men, that's what
Speaker 3: doing right now, what he's doing, you gotta do it again.
Speaker 3: Gay men and lesbians were labeled national security risks and
Speaker 3: communists sympathizer.
Speaker 1: Bro. That is so fucking funny to me. What I
Speaker 1: want to do two you guys ever met a fuckinghi.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do this in kind of an umbrella
Speaker 3: way because I really would love to get a guest
Speaker 3: to come on here and discuss specifically homophobia and what's
Speaker 3: the word sex?
Speaker 1: You know, I guess the lack of Jason Burden, well,
Speaker 1: the lack of sex.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, because I didn't finish not only
Speaker 3: homophobia or that, I want to lean into just black
Speaker 3: people in general and where are our upbringing around discussing
Speaker 3: sex at all?
Speaker 1: Came about so clearly homophobia the Black.
Speaker 3: Church, easy, but there's also this conversation that has not
Speaker 3: had about Black sexuality with women, how we exist in
Speaker 3: being sexual beings, and also us fighting the fetishism that
Speaker 3: has long been you know, included with.
Speaker 1: Us all over and around and about. But you don't
Speaker 1: know none about history. I know a lot about history,
Speaker 1: and I want to have someone come on and have
Speaker 1: this talk.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is something that I do on my
Speaker 3: spare time, like, which is why when we talked about
Speaker 3: what the new segments of this show would look like,
Speaker 3: I was like, bitch, I've been down the motherfucking rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: I didn't create a whole guy science podcast, and then
Speaker 1: I heard never hold On Ever, I was never gonna
Speaker 1: talk science. Now we're gonna talk history. Though.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, though I do want to make sure we close
Speaker 3: out by letting you guys know y'all want to hear
Speaker 3: all the nastiness. Maybe whenever I get to actually suck
Speaker 3: actor based pen, that will all.
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