1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks DJ and Bucky with you Buck? 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: How you doing, man, DJ? I'm good. 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: You know, we haven't even talked about it, but like 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: I guess this is the DJ Bucky Bowl again, like 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: this this has been one of those things. Charges played 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: the Jags this weekend, come across the country. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 3: We hadn't even talked forgot, like, we haven't talked about that. 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: We'll get to the we'll get to the preview. By 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: the way, I think, are you undefeated in our games? 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: I know I've lost some, but we coming off of 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: we're limping into this game after fumbling away one against 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, well. 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: I saw I saw it as the game and we'll 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: get to it a minute. But it's the game with 19 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: the greatest playoff implications in that that like if the 20 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: charge I know the charter side, but if they win, 21 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: it's ninety one percent chance their playoff team. 22 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: If they lose, it. 23 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: Drops to like fifty eight percent. 24 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Like it's not crazy like that. 25 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Well, I always used the number the magic number is 26 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: ten because ten gets you into the postseason, and so 27 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: when the Jaguars dropped their game last week, they would 28 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: have put him at six. And you look at the schedule, 29 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: you try and pick out four games. But now it 30 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: makes it not a must win, but it narrows your 31 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: margin for error playing the Charges this week because you 32 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: gave away one last week. So now this is a 33 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: huge one, and it'd be big because of all the 34 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: tie breaker implications at the bottom of the thing. The 35 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: Jags knocked off the knasay the Chiefs, and now if 36 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: they knock off the Chargers, it kind of helps them 37 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: if you kind of get into a little mix at 38 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 1: the end of the season where you can't win or whatever. 39 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: But now it's a big game. 40 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: And it'd be interesting because I've said this from a 41 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: quarterback standpoint that Justin Herbert should be Trevor Lawrence's muse 42 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: because of the similarities in terms of body types and 43 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: arm and all those other things. It'd be interesting interesting 44 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: to see that just plays out. Yeah, yeah, I put. 45 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: In the chat. 46 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: So the yeah, Jags the Chargers go from Now it 47 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: guess it's changed a little bitsiness I last so a 48 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: ninety one percent chance if they win the sixty one 49 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: percent chance. If they lose, the Jags go from a 50 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: sixty percent chance to a twenty four percent chance. So 51 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: a lot a lot on the line there with those 52 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: two teams that we get a chance to fall around 53 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 3: the country squaring off. I'm not gonna be there till Saturday. Normal, 54 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: we get in there Friday. The team travels on Friday. Buck, 55 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: But we've got I'm sure as you do. You got 56 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: to you got a playoff game this week? 57 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: High school? 58 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: No, No, we're all done? Are you all done? I 59 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: did not I didn't get that. 60 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: I did not know. 61 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: You guys got balance and went done. We competitive? 62 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was seventeen seventeen to ahead of ball 63 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: at a twenty yard line going in. 64 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: Just couldn't make it happen. But what I what I do? 65 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: And I finally have to acknowledge stars matter. 66 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: The team on the other side of Marquez had a 67 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: three star athlete, Elijah Staples, who's one of the top 68 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: ten athletes in California. 69 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, they got those stars on people, putting those 70 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: stars on people for a reason. DJ He got us 71 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: real quick. 72 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean we might have been five minutes into the 73 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: game and I'm like, oh, Yep. 74 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: There is. He's legit. That's that's amazing. 75 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: Wow. I'm sorry to hear that it ended that way, 76 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: but I know the kids got a chance to learn 77 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: a lot of ball under Bucky this year, and excited 78 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 3: to see where Granada Hills is next year. The Christian 79 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: I have Patriots have the Ramona Bulldogs on the road 80 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: on Friday night, so I'm going to stay and watch 81 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: that and then take the first thing smoking too Jacksonville 82 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: on Saturday morning, so I'll see out there for that game. 83 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: Looking forward to some other good games. I want to 84 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: get to here in a minute, Buck, but I wanted 85 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,279 Speaker 3: to get your thoughts. 86 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: On this. 87 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: If I was you know, we're looking at some potential openings. Obviously, 88 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: the Giants job has opened since I last talked with you, 89 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: and we have the Tennessee job which is open. There's 90 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: going to be more not a secret there so not 91 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: so much the maybe the coach that you would say 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: is going to be the right fit for some of 93 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: these jobs. But I'm looking for what's the league it's 94 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: a copycat league, and what's going to be the who's 95 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: going to be the north star of like the type 96 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: of coach we want to find the next this or 97 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: the next that. 98 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: What do you think it is? Man? 99 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: Look, I still think we're living in this world where 100 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: everyone wants either the next McVeigh or the next Shanahan, 101 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: not only because you get the system, but you get 102 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: the adaptability. When it comes to Sean McVay, I think 103 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: human bay more than Shanahan because he's viewed as the 104 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: young offensive wizard. But now I think people have a 105 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of respect for him as a head coach 106 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: and his. 107 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: Ability to morph and adapt to what he's been given. 108 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: What they're doing, and I'll say this, you're on the 109 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: front end of the movement when you identify the Rams 110 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: running their thirteen personnel packages, the three tight ends on 111 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the field, what they've been able to do, how they're 112 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: able to kind of really make it smash mouth but sexy. 113 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: They do it, And I think what you want is 114 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: someone who can work with the quarterback but also has 115 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: a great amount of respect and understanding of complimentary football 116 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: and being able to get the defense the way that 117 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: he wants to match the offense. All those things are 118 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: in play, and I think it's very hard for a 119 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: young coach to do, but I do believe so many 120 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: owners are going to be chasing that guy that has 121 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: that ability or seemingly has that ability to do so. 122 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 3: I think there's also going to be something to the 123 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: collaboration piece of it, where you're trying to make sure 124 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: you get the proper marriage between the GM and the 125 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: head coach and that that whole thing works. I'll give 126 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: you an example what Indianapolis has done this year, the 127 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: success that they've had. You get Ballard, who has always 128 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: been a traites guy. He wants to bring in the 129 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: you know, toolsy, traitsy players who might not always be 130 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: the most polished players. So who's the right fit with 131 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: someone like that? An excellent teacher and on the coaching side, 132 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: and Shane Steichen has done that and lou Anroumo on 133 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: the defensive side. Like they've built a staff of guys 134 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: that not only know how to scheme, but know how 135 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: to develop and teach some of these athletes. I look 136 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: at the Chargers, you know who I'm around, and you 137 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 3: see Harbaugh and Ortiz, Well, there's an natural connective tissue 138 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: there because of Ortiz coming from Baltimore, who was with 139 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: his brother and they they've been scouting the same type 140 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: of players, and you get Jesse Minner, who had been 141 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: in Baltimore, Michigan as a defensive coordinator, So you know 142 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: what style of player fits a defensively Greg Roman. These 143 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 3: guys all had history together and they're all they're all 144 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: drinking from the same hose here. They all they all 145 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: have a similar philosophy. So I'm curious to see how 146 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: much that plays into it more so than just we 147 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: need to find the next Sean McVay or we're trying 148 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: to find the next Mike McDonald. 149 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, now that is a great one. 150 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: The Mike McDonald thing that you're talking about, that is 151 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: great because what he has created up in Seattle is fantastic. 152 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: Like having watched the Seattle Seahawks play. 153 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Up close in person when they came down to Jacksonville, 154 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: I can't say that I walked away more impressed. Not 155 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: only would what they do defensively with that active and 156 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: aggressive defensive line, how they're playing in the back end. Remember, 157 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: people were all on Reek Willing prior to the season. 158 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: He has turned it around and re emerged as a 159 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: top flight corner. But what they've been able to do 160 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: in terms of fully bacon out Sam Donald's game it's 161 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: a fun, explosive offense. This quarterback friendly with Clinton Kubiak. 162 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: You want someone who has that ability to have a 163 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: specialty in the expertise on one side while also acknowledging 164 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: that they know how to get the other side up 165 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and going too often when we've seen defensive mind the 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: head coaches is a we got a rough and tumble defense, 167 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: but a very conservative offense that plays the strength. 168 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: But the Seattle Seahawks have a little bit of both. 169 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: They push the envelope on offense while still maintaining the 170 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: dominance on defense. You absolutely want someone who is like 171 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, which brings me to a Jesse mentor because 172 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: they have so many similarities and parallels and they follows 173 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: you from Baltimore to Michigan and all this stuff kind 174 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: of marries. 175 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think about I mean, even Sam Donald 176 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: was the USC quarterback, he's married up with McDonald. Do 177 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: you get Jackson Dart began his career at USC. They 178 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: kind of had a similar profile. I think they need 179 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: to dial Dart back as a runner a little bit. 180 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: You know, Sam's a good athlete. Sam could run more 181 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: than he does, but he knows he can't he's got 182 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: to protect himself. Dark's a better athlete, but he's got 183 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: to reel that in a little bit. But in terms 184 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: of some of the strengths, the moxie, you know, the 185 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: playmaking ability that you know Jackson Dart, there is some 186 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: similarities there, and I think marrying him up with a 187 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: defensive minded coach who would allow you to keep some 188 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: continuity with the offensive staff, whether that's Mike Kafka, whoever 189 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: else you want, which is to have somebody else there. 190 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: I mean that the Charters did it with Shane Day 191 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: as the quarterback coach who survived from the previous coaching staff. 192 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: So even as they brought in a whole new head 193 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: coach and coordinators, he had that same comfortable voice that 194 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: had been with Herbert previously. 195 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 196 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Look, the first thing that everyone asks is, well, who's 197 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: coming with you? 198 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: Who is going to be your offensive and defensive coordinators. 199 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: If you're coming over and we're talking about offense, if 200 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: you're not the offensive play caller, how are we going 201 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: to build around the quarterback and sustain it after the 202 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: hot coordinator goes away? And it look, it's gonna be 203 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: interesting who you compare with whom and as we talk 204 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: about like the synergy that you have to have amongst 205 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: the staff when you're trying to get this team up 206 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: and going. 207 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: It's a lot of pressure on you. 208 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: And I understand why the hiring skills tend to tip 209 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: towards the offensive guys, because we talked about continuity and stability. 210 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: But man, there are some really good head coaches that 211 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: are going to come from the defense of the ball, 212 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: and you hope they get a fair shake when it 213 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: comes to building a team. The other part DJ so 214 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: for the Giants in particular, when you've gone novice coaches 215 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: first time head coaches for so long, you tend to 216 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: want to go different than the way that you fall 217 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: to previously. So now you're going to have some i'll 218 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: just say season coaches, guys that it won't be their 219 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: first time around, like you. Mike McCarthy's people have thrown 220 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: out Steezepagnola. Even the name Antonio Peers has been banded about. 221 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: If you were looking to hire someone who's been a 222 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: head coach previously, what would you look for? What would 223 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: be the traits that you're looking for to give someone 224 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: another opportunity at the Headgehob Yeah. 225 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 3: I think you just got to get them in the 226 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: room and see, you know, what they've learned and how 227 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: they've grown through the experience. We've seen guys have that 228 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: success on the next go round, so I think that's 229 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: to describe, but you kind of just got to get 230 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: him in there and see what that looks like. To me, 231 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: Vance Joseph and Brian Flores would be interesting guys to 232 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: bring in and and look at the success that they've 233 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: had before and after their head coaching stints and just 234 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: figure out what you learned, you know, going through that process, 235 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: and that's going to be weighed against. You know, if 236 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, because I'm trying to 237 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: find the profiles and you talked about well, the next 238 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: Mike McDonald is Jesse Minner. That's not that's not even debatable. 239 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: They're the same guy. If I was going to ask you, 240 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: and I was going to ask you this, I wanted 241 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: to look it up. But Ben Jonson, the success he's 242 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: had in Chicago, and I'm like, well, that's Clint Kubiak. 243 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: Like if you're trying to find that hot coordinator who's 244 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: doing some cool stuff, and who is you know, who 245 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: is empowered as the play caller because a lot of 246 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: these other offenses, you look at it and well, the 247 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: head coach is calling the place, so the coordinator is 248 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: somewhat newtered. So who are the you know, the good teams. 249 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 3: The teams are having great years with a coordinator with autonomy, 250 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: like that's one of them. 251 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: For sure. 252 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: It would be Clint Kubiak. 253 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, clink, you guys, go ahead. A great opportunity, 254 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: and let's let's be real. It helps that he has 255 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: a steady resource. When we talk about his dad, who 256 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: has been. 257 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: A head coach. Before you think about. 258 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: How advantageous it was for Kyle Shanahan to have a 259 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: dad who's been a Super Bowl winner to do it. 260 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: Klint Kubiak has that he's been around it at a 261 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: high level. He's had success in having success. Right now, 262 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: we talk about the reclamation project that Sam Donald is 263 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: and how he's continued to sustain that after we saw 264 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: it initially popfor him in Minnesota. You love that, and 265 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: then it's about can you take a Kubiak pair him 266 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: with an older or experienced defensive coordinator who can kind 267 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: of be the assistant head coach defense handled that side 268 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of the ball while he focuses on the offense and 269 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: then managing the overall team. That's typically been the blueprint 270 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: and the formula that works. You know, people talk about, oh, 271 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: that's not a lot. 272 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: Of sixty names. You're gonna have to be some retress. 273 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: I think if you. 274 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Dig deep enough, you can find some viable candidates that 275 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: can take some of these jobs and go to the 276 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: next level. 277 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: And I think some of these coaching canad dates. 278 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: First thing you have to do is you got to 279 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: look at the quarterback situation and figure out do I 280 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: want to be married to this young quarterback that might 281 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: be in place. 282 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: So when we talked about Tennessee, talk about the. 283 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: New York Giants, those situations, how great do I feel 284 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: about having a young quarterback that I can get the 285 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: pop in the second year, much like Mike Rabel has 286 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: been able to get the best out of Drake May 287 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: in the second season in the league. 288 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 289 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: No, you know the other thing is like we say, 290 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: like Josh McDaniels is here, Is there any chance at 291 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: all that he gets he gets another look at it? 292 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that we see that happen, 293 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: but man, he's done an unbelievable job there. I was 294 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: looking at some of these defensive totals here. You know 295 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: who has the number two defense in the league. Cleveland 296 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: Browns Jim Schwartz. You know, a coaching experience. I mean, 297 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: he is a great defensive coordinator, super Bowl winning coordinator, 298 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: and for whatever the issues the Browns have had, it 299 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: has not been their defense. 300 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: No, it certainly hasn't been their defense. 301 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate for the Browns that they've just been 302 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: atrocious on offense. 303 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other way to see it. 304 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: Like if they just had a smattering of an offense 305 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: to go with that defense, they would be able to 306 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: win games and be in the conversation then I did. 307 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Swartz has done a good job in the past what 308 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: he did with Detroit. I think people have to remember 309 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: he stepped in after they were zero to sixteen, got 310 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: them up to run it. And remember he had Detroit 311 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: at a point where we were talking about Matthew Stafford 312 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: being an MVP candidate when he was a younger version 313 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: of the star quarterback that we're seeing now. 314 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: Look not a bad option. 315 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: There could be some There could be some options available, 316 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: But to me, I think ownership has to be bold 317 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: in terms of evaluating the player for what the situation 318 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: is and what it needs, not based on the previous resume. 319 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: Which coach fits what we currently. 320 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Need and he can help us get over the top, 321 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: regardless of what the record is. 322 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, put it in there. Second defense, thirty first 323 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: in offense. So maybe the most lopsided team in the 324 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: NFL is the Cleveland Rounds. Buck, There's one game I 325 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: want to dial in on here, and it actually you 326 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: can draw the connection to Jim Schwartz here when you 327 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: look at defenses that play the game the right way, 328 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: that play aggressive and physical mentioned Matthew Stafford. Being together 329 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: with Jim Schwartz, Stafford and the Rams taking on Sam 330 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: Donald and the Seahawks is going to be an unbelievable matchup. 331 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break, we'll come right back and 332 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: jump into that one, all right, Buck, I've been looking 333 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: forward to this, maybe more than any of the game. 334 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: Throughout the whole season. These teams have been on a 335 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: collision course. We're going to get to see this matchup twice. 336 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: I cannot wait to see how this thing goes down. 337 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: But I want to get your thoughts on it. I'll 338 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: give you mine, but just your big picture thoughts. Rams 339 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: Seahawks two teams. 340 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: That are built similarly. 341 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: When you think about the way these teams go about 342 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: their business and how they really love the athletes that 343 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: have like the football character that you want, smart, fast, physical, 344 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: they get after it. They both are built in terms 345 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: of like from front to back. When I look at 346 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: the defensive fronts of both of these teams, I think 347 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: about the Seattle Seahawks and athletes they have Byron Murphy 348 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: going alongside Lenard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence and those other guys. 349 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: And then you think about Kobe Young and Jared Vers 350 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: and the other people that the Rams have upfront. Man, 351 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: they can get after it. But then on the perimeter 352 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: and how they go about it like offensively explosive playmakers 353 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: on the outside, great skilled route runners, quarterbacks that have 354 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: an understanding of timing, rhythm, the anticipation and accuracy. It's 355 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: almost like these teams are mere reflections of one another 356 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: playing in a high stakes contest. I would never spend 357 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: money to go to an NFL game, but this one, 358 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I think you could talk me into phoning up a 359 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: little money to sit there on the fifty yard line 360 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: to watch yout team Squirrel. 361 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they play, you know, not only physical 362 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: defenses with defensive lines are very ift and talented, and 363 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: I actually like the secondary better on the Seattle side 364 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: of things, I think that might be where their edges 365 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: in this game. But I was thinking about it, and 366 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: I was going through and I was watching all the 367 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: Seattle stuff, and I was watching how just how physical 368 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: and how hard they play. And I'm watching the rams 369 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking back to the team that won the 370 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: Super Bowl last year, in the Philadelphia Eagles, and I thought, 371 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: you know, not everybody plays this hard. You think it 372 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: should be the way it is. Everybody just kind of 373 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: busting it around the league. But I started thinking about, man, 374 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: maybe the secret sauce with defensive football right now is 375 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: the depth of your front. Like in other words, hey, 376 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: no governor. You know, I talked to hard about every 377 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: week and got to know him pretty well the last 378 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: couple of years, and one line that he constantly uses 379 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: when you talk to him is like football is not 380 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: a marathon. I hate that line. This season is this 381 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: is a series of sprints. Every play is a sprint, 382 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: Every game is a sprint. Every season is a sprint. 383 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: And it starts with the first three steps on every play, 384 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: like there's an urgency you have to play with. Well, 385 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: it's a heck of a lot easier to play that 386 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: fast and that hard when you know you got four 387 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: more defensive linemen. They're going to sub you guys out 388 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: before too long. 389 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: And look, it's easy to play that way. 390 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Not only player feel like I can empty the bucket 391 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: knowing that I can get arrest, but it also easy 392 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: for a coach to demand that you're going to play 393 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: that hard when I have someone that can easily replace 394 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: the person that is in front of someone that is 395 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: on the bench. We talk about playing hard in the 396 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: urgency that you have to have. Dj to me, that's 397 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the thing that separates the great teams from the ones 398 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: that are sparing to go from good to great. They 399 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: play at a level that you can feel their presence 400 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: on the field. You can feel the urgency that they're 401 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: playing with. Sometimes we'll talk about like that championship maturity 402 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: that a team must display when they're really a title contender. 403 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: They know when to flip the switch, when. 404 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: The game is hanging in the ballance and when they 405 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: need to go make a play, and that play is 406 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: often made on a hustle play I can't say enough 407 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: about effort, energy, physicality, how those things deal to play, 408 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: whether we're talking about the National Football League all the 409 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: way down the high school youth ball, getting a team 410 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: to play hard, particularly on defense, to me, that's the secret, sauce. 411 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: Can you run to the ball with bad intentions to 412 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: knock the ball out when you have a chance. 413 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: Both these teams are going to mix tight ends out there. 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: They're going to try and get you in single high 415 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: looks so they can go play action take their shots. 416 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: They both will move the quarterbacks, so you're not gonna 417 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: get comfortable with the lacht launch point is. To me, 418 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: I think the key to this game is going to 419 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: be who can who can play a man down in 420 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: the box and still stop the run, And that again 421 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 3: goes to having the depth to keep those guys fresh 422 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: to destruct blocks. But I think if you know, if 423 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: you have to bring that man down and you got 424 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: to play single high, and I like Seattle secondary better 425 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: than I like the Rams secondary, but both those, that's 426 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: gonna have a tough time covering those dudes on the outside. 427 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: If that's the case, well, I mean, look it's gonna 428 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 2: be tough. 429 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you, man, having watched JSN, his 430 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: game is going to another level. And the overall speed 431 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: factor that the Seattlex have on offense from the tight 432 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: ends Elijah Row and other to what they've been able 433 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: to bring in at the outside opposite JSN. Man, they're 434 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna push you down the field. They're gonna challenge you 435 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: to be able to get to it. Clint Kobe actually 436 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: gonna borrow some of those old concepts that his dad 437 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: used to be futtle defensive coordinated with. And you've got 438 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: to be on your p's and q's. And then the 439 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: Rams are a little different, right because they're not the 440 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: explosive team looking for the home run shots. But man, 441 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: they will script up some things, but DeVante Adams and 442 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: puking the cool to get open on. They will challenge 443 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: you with the numbers with their thirteen personnel package. Where 444 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: you fall asleep at the wheel because you focused on 445 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: the run and then you look out the back door. 446 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: Cody Parkson is putting one into paint on you. This 447 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: is one where you're not only assessing the talent, but man, 448 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: you're looking at the tactics. And so that's why I'm 449 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: saying this is a football lover's dream. Yeah, Gavin put 450 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: in the chat about the nick Even Warrior game. He's 451 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: been playing well, and I was watching their stuff and 452 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't just him in terms of taking on blocks, 453 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: but Okada and the secondary I just wrote down on. 454 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: All caps, like attacks polars. When you see that. I 455 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 3: don't know why that fires me up so much, but 456 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: when you see secondary guys and they've got a polar 457 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 3: coming to them, and the rules are the rules now, 458 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: you can't go low on them you used to be 459 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: back when you were playing, like, hey, you know you 460 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: cut down, cut them down like a tree. But I 461 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: wrote down on my paper when I was watching then, 462 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: I said, you know what, you really have three choices 463 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: when you're a little guy facing a polar. You can avoid, 464 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 3: you can absorb, or you can annihilate. And like they 465 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: they play big man, they go attack the pollars and 466 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: like that just to me speaks to the overall aggression 467 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: of physicality that they're playing with us. 468 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, man, when you when you're coming downhill, 469 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: we always talk about playing downhill, playing fast, getting out 470 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: your shoes, like not making it complicated. That's one of 471 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: the things that you see from them. There's no hesitation. 472 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: They are on go and when I mean go, there 473 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: on the beginning of the g when it was time 474 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: to come downhill, like they are, they are playing. And 475 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because we talked about Jesse Mentor 476 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: and Mike McDonald and those guys coming from Baltimore and 477 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: you know. 478 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: It because you lived it. 479 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: DJ have always felt like when you see those teams 480 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: with those coaches that come from Baltimore, and there was 481 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: a distinct style that they played with and that style 482 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily schematically, but just you could feel the aggressiveness. 483 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: That's the sense that I feel when I watch and 484 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm on the field with. 485 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: The Seattle Seal. 486 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: You feel there, You feel their presence and if you 487 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: don't match it or exceed their physicality, they will beat 488 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you up. 489 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: I mean they will beat you up from beginning the end. 490 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no questions. A couple more big games here, I 491 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: just want to get give me one thought and I'll 492 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: follow up here. Chiefs, Broncos, Lions. 493 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: Eagles Bucked. 494 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: I mean, those are that's the three big games. When 495 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: you combine that with Seahawks Rams, I'll. 496 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Talk about both of them. For the Broncos, to me, 497 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: this is the litmus test in terms of Okay, we 498 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: can talk about you being a fringe contender, but now 499 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: you need to do it, because if you can do it, 500 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: then you can. Look, you can put the steak in 501 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: the vampire's heart. When it comes to can't see the Chiefs, 502 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: you can knock them out. You can put it in 503 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: a very very precarious situation in terms of them being 504 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: able to get into the postseason. But to do that, 505 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: Bow Nixon company need to play better on offense. The 506 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions Philadelphia Eagles game. It's interesting because listening to 507 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts talk about, Look, this is a team that 508 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: has been good. It is kind of personal for them. 509 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: They're going to be ready. They're gonna have a high 510 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: level of energy when they face us. I look at 511 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: it at Dan Campbell being what I think a great 512 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: head coach is man being able to take the play 513 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: card when I need it. I mean, I got this, 514 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: We'll figured this out. I don't like what I'm seeing. 515 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a change and I'm gonna make it 516 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: right and for them to make it right. So I'm 517 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to the Lions trying to make this a 518 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: very physical affair against the Eagles, and I want to 519 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: see the Eagles show that championship heart because this is 520 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: when you can send a message to the rest of 521 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, I know y'all think y'all are closing 522 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: on the defending champs. There's difference, there's levels to this 523 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to being a champ. 524 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: I feel like a lot some of these teams that 525 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: play the Eagles, man, they put so much into it. 526 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: I know the Rams did, and then they kind of 527 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: blew it late, and I think there was a carryover 528 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: off of that game. And it feels like the Lions 529 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: are doing the same thing here. So they got to 530 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: just be a little careful. You're not too amped up 531 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: on this thing. So we'll see if the poise in 532 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: the veteran presence of that Eagles group is able to 533 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: handle that versus you know, they're going to come out 534 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: firing on the Detroit side of things. I still like 535 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: the Eagles there, and then when it comes to the 536 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: Chiefs and the Broncos. Chiefs where they are offensively right 537 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: now in a pretty good spot. My thing is, I mean, 538 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 3: they're going to get heated up. They're going to get 539 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: heated up off the edges from this Denver Broncos defense. 540 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: And if Kansas I'll put it, can't say doesn't turn 541 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: the ball over. If they take some sacks, it's fine. 542 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: If they don't turn the ball over, I don't know 543 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: the Denver's offense has enough, so you just can't give 544 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: them anything. And I use the line of the day 545 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: in a Charger game. I was like, hey, man, it's 546 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: got to be you got to keep some of these 547 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: offenses on the naughty list, like don't give them anything. 548 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: Don't give him short fields, presence, no gifts. I mean, 549 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: if you make Denver drive the length of the field 550 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 3: against Kansas City's defense, I don't think they're gonna score 551 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: a ton of points. 552 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: Man. 553 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: Now, DJ and I think everyone has to come to 554 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: the realization we're almost at the point where we start 555 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: beginning to live and lean into what I call the 556 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: championship blueprint. And some of that is the way that 557 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: we play defense. It eliminate the explosives, make teams drive 558 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: the length of the field. We don't think their offense 559 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: is explosive enough to be able to muster enough drives 560 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: where they can put points up. And when I mean 561 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: points up, sevens not threes. And if you're a team 562 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: like the Kan City Chiefs, who has enough firepower to 563 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: be able to get to that magic number twenty four. Yeah, 564 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: I think it can be a very very difficult game 565 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos. And if the kan City Chiefs 566 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: win that, then what it does it sends a message 567 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: to the rest of the league be careful. We still 568 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: got it, we still can come, we still can do 569 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: all those things. The Boogeyman lives again when it comes 570 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: to Pat Mahome. 571 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: Yep, that's going to be a great trio of games man. 572 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: I can't wait to recap it next week. We appreciate 573 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: you guys hanging with us. We'll see you next time. 574 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: Right here on Move to sticks. Want to be