1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and forty two, 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: which is first airing in late April. We're going to 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: be talking with Alani Inlander, who is the owner of 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Real Life Style, a styling firm in DC. It's a 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: great interview and we want to dive right into it. 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: We're going to do a little bit more of the 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: rehashing afterwards. Instead of an intro, we're going to do 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: more of an outro this time. So we're going to 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and dive right into this topic that we 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: have heard from so many people, making a good wardrobe 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: as a working mom. Here we go. Well, Sarah and 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: I are delighted to welcome Lonnie Inlander to the program. 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: She is a Washington, DC based stylist and is the 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: owner of Real Lifestyle. She's going to tell us a 24 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: little bit about herself and her business. So Lonnie, welcome. 25 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I am a 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: longtime listener, so I'm thrilled to be here. Yes, my 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: name is Lannie in Lander. I am the owner and 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: chief stylist of Real Lifestyle, a luxury style consulting firm 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. We style private clients, We give 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: corporate style presentations, We run an e course called Where 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: Your Power, and we teach other women to start their 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: own personal styling businesses. I should also mention that we 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: have a shopping blog that I've been writing for almost 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: nine years. I don't know if that's as long as you, 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: Sarah and I'm both there at the dawn of the 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: blogging revolution. Yes, exactly, exactly over here, so crazy one, 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: but you like it? Yeah, that's great, But I love it. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: And I live with my two boys who are ages 39 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: six and eight, and my wonderful husband in an apartment 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: in the city. Awesome, awesome, And so you know, for 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: people who have never used a stylist before, which probably 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: is the majority of people. Maybe you can tell us 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: what it involves, you know why people tend to come 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: to you. So people usually come to us when they 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: have reached their breaking points of not knowing what to wear. 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: The frustration level has gotten to them that they are 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: willing to ask for outside help. Finally, a lot of 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: people come to us after they've tried services like stitch 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: fixs and the like and realize, you know, these may 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: have worked for me for a while, but now I 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: need something more personal to me. And the first thing 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: that we do with everybody, no matter what, no matter 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: if they have ten pieces of clothing in their closets, 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: is we go into their closet for what we call 55 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: the wardrobe makeover. So this is editing and organizing what 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: they have, of course within an inch of its life. 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: But even if they only have ten pieces of clothing, 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: which you would be surprised at how little clothes some 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: people have, or they have two rooms full of clothes, 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: which also happens. The whole point is to go through 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: all of the clothes with them, really see where they've been, 62 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: you know, to read the tea leaves of their closet, 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: talk to them, have them put on their clothes, See 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: how they feel when they put the clothes on. See 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: the look in their eye when they put on certain pieces, 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the reaction to it. You know, I've been hanging onto 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: this even though it doesn't work anymore, because and we 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: write down all of this information along with you know, 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: their sizes, the brands, they've been buying, their best silhouettes, 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: their best necklines, their best colors, and we create what 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: should be their new fashion you know, uniform, their new 72 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: fashion formula where they should go from here, and we 73 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: really create it with them. And then the second appointment 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: is the shopping appointment. And what clients love is that 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: we do all the legwork for them. So they show 76 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: up at the store, we have a shop, we have 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: a fitting room filled with clothes already, so there's a 78 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: rolling rack filled with clothes picked out just for them, 79 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: according to their specific filling lists, their budget, their best colors, 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: their everything only for them. They didn't have to do anything, 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: they don't even have to walk onto the floor. Most 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: of our clients hate shopping, They hate the pressure of 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: having to find their whole wardrobe, and we have done 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: all of that for them. So after that appointment, anything 85 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: we haven't found will order online. Then we'll meet them 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: back at their house. The third appointment is where the 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: magic happens. We create outfits. We go through those last 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: draggling pieces and then we create outfits with the new 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: piece and the old pieces, and then they have a 90 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: look book of these magical outfits with every single piece, accessories, shoes, 91 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: bags included of these perfect outfits for every single part 92 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: of their life date, night, weekend, with kids, work, work, travel. 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: They never have to think, They just have to look 94 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: at the picture and they can get dressed in five minutes. 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Well that sounds good. I know a lot of our 96 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: listeners would love to get redressed in it in five minutes, 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: and including Sarah, who has a question about motivation. Yes, 98 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, So I have to say that whole 99 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: thing was just like I'm listening and I'm like, yes, 100 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I think it may be like almost time to do this. 101 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: That was so cool. But yeah, like I will say, personally, 102 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: I think I went through a phase after I came 103 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: back from turning leave where I felt a little bit 104 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: more motivated about getting dressed and I had some outfits 105 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: and then you know, recently, I've sort of slid to 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: the point where a lot of times I'm just wearing 107 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: black jeans, which not even really supposed to be wearing, 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: like boots, and like sometimes even just like a T 109 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: shirt with like this work jacket with the logo on it, 110 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: And I'm like, eh, because i have a little bit 111 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: more of a leadership a pla, Sarah, like this is 112 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: a well actually it's kind of like almost like a 113 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: like a jogging type material. But in my defense, like 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: it was given to me by like the director of 115 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: our whole division. Like I I don't really like they 116 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: never said like you couldn't wear them, and there are 117 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: other doctors that also wear that on it, you know, 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: team player. It does have the logo, so it's fully branded. 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: And my workplate tends to be very cold, so even 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: when I'm wearing something nicer under it, a lot of times, 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: well an hour and I'm freezing, so I'm covering up 122 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: with this like schlovey looking thing and I'm like, wow, 123 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: like this this is not good because I am you know, 124 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm in a leadership position. I'm serving as a role 125 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: model to my residence. I don't really want them dressing 126 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: like that. I don't really want my colleagues kind of 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: feeling like I look like I don't know. Do you 128 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: run into this a lot? And what do you think 129 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: somebody in my position should do to get out of 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: this slump? Right? Well, we run into this a lot 131 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: in DC. And I have to say that I started 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: my career in New York. I worked in New York 133 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: as a stylist for you know, fifteen years before I 134 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: moved to DC, and I was quite shocked at how 135 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: badly people allowed themselves to show up to the workplace, 136 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: even when they were the boss in DC, because they 137 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: were like, nobody cares I'm working with You know, I'm 138 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: the only woman in this whole office of men. No 139 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: one's looking at me. I don't want anyone to look 140 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: at me. It doesn't matter. But what matters is how 141 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: you feel about yourself. And that's really the motivation. The 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: motivation shouldn't just be external. The motivation has to be internal. 143 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: And the only thing you have to do to get 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: the motivation back is to wear one cute outfit, really 145 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: make an effort one day and see how much better 146 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: you feel. Write down how much better you feel all day. 147 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna have so much more of a spring to 148 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: your step. You're gonna feel better in your interactions with 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: your kids and your husband and your co workers every 150 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: moment of the day if you have a blazer on 151 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: instead of a cardigan, if you have on, you know, 152 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: pants instead of jeans, or maybe not, depending on your 153 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: work plays. But really, if you make an effort and 154 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: you have a coordinated outfit on, and you've you know, 155 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: brushed your hair and put on a little bit of makeup, 156 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: you just feel so much better about yourself. I believe 157 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: that true. Yeah, I really like jeans, Lonnie. Do you 158 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: have any sort of general rules for working mom wardrobes here? 159 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what are kind of the workhorse basic pieces 160 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: we should be thinking about having. Okay, so I feel 161 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: very very strongly about the workhorse basic pieces. I feel 162 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: so strongly that coincidentally, before you even asked me this question, 163 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: we just did a whole series on the blog refreshing 164 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: all of these pieces and giving people exact links and 165 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: pictures to these basic pieces. So we have five must 166 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: haves that we believe in. Number one is a comfortable blazer, because, 167 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: as I like to say, nobody feels good in a cardigan. 168 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: So one of our favorite pieces is actually the Mamal 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: Floor Jardigan, so true story. If you google Jardigan, you 170 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: will come up with a picture of my coworker because 171 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: we were one of the first people to do a 172 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: story on the jard again, because we were so obsessed 173 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: with it when it came out. Meaning jacket plus cardigan, Yes, 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: jacket plus cardigan hybrid between the two, yes, equals jard again. 175 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be that. It can just 176 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: be a comfortable cardigan, so sorry, not cardigan. A comfortable blazer, 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: and a comfortable blazer could be made out of ponte, 178 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: It could be a sweater blazer, it could be a 179 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: scuba fabric. And so many different brands doing these right 180 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: now and why dj Bowden Veronica Beard has an incredible 181 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: Scoogle blazer. Athleta has an incredible Scooba blazer that's a 182 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: little more sporty and cool if you have a more 183 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: casual workplace. Majestic makes one that's more of like a cozy, fleecy, 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: stretchy material if you want something even softer and more casual. 185 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: But there are so many people who are doing more 186 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: comfortable stretchy blazers now that you have no excuse to 187 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: be wearing a card again. So the number one piece 188 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: of advice we give people. The first thing you should 189 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: do take the old ratty card again off the back 190 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: of your chair and replace it with one of these 191 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: fresh comfortable blazers. Good advice, all right, What else doing 192 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: in our wardrobes? A perfectly tailored trouser And what we 193 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: mean by that is a trouser that you can go 194 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: to a meeting in with anyone in your office, all 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: the way up the chain, feel really good and that 196 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: fits you perfectly, like you've hadded hem to the right 197 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: length for your shoes. It looks good on your butt, 198 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: it does not doing any weird wrinkling. It's going to 199 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: look good when you get off the airplane. So with 200 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: this we also recommend pante a lot because a lot 201 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: of people work in business casual environments and they don't 202 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: need the really tailored trousers anymore. We still love a 203 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: tailored trouser if you're willing to go there, and of 204 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: course you know theory is always uh the backup for that. 205 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: But Ponte is the new fabric that everybody is loving 206 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: and is super comfy, and for that, NYDJ makes a 207 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Ponte trowser. That is God's gift to postpartum women. I 208 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: can't how it's oh yeah. I mean we had someone 209 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: tried on the other week and say, like, did they 210 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: make these for people like me? Like I just had 211 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: a baby. They're so incredible coming back after maternity. And 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: we've looked into that one way. Yeah. Also, Bowden makes 213 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: different Ponte trousers that they make in petite, up to 214 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: tall sizes and plus sizes, so anyone can find their size. 215 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Mm Lafleur's Foster pant. You have that, right, I do. 216 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: And I have the Theory black pants too, so I'm 217 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: like wooh, go me. Yeah, and I believe I have 218 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: those nydj ones. So we're just hitting all the bases. Awesome, awesome, 219 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, the Foster pant is incredible skinny pants and 220 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: it's really comfortable. Right. Also Nick and Zoe makes a 221 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: skinny and a straight version of a pull on pant 222 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: that looks really professional but is super comfortable and light 223 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: and easy and fits a whole bunch of body types. 224 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Who else, Oh Theory I want to mention they have 225 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: two particular styles that are good for people with body 226 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: types that can be difficult to fit. So they have 227 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: the Demetria, which is incredible for really really tall people. 228 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: It has thirty four inch in cem I believe. And 229 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: then they have something called the Trica t r ee C, 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: a Trica that is incredible if you are petite. They 231 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: make a pull on version that if you're petite and 232 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: bigger on the bottom. We've had a few people recently 233 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: that just could not find anything else to fit them, 234 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: and they were willing to invest because it fits so 235 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: well and it just was magical and nothing else was 236 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: really working. So that is a great option. Awesome, all right, 237 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: So we've got our comfortable blazer, we've got our perfectly 238 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: tailored pants. Okay, number three Trush shoes you can work in, yes, 239 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: walk in. Sorry, Truss shoes you can walk in you 240 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: work and walk yes, yes you should be able to 241 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: work and walk in them. But so many people when 242 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: they have a conference or something like that, they'll put 243 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: on these really ugly shoes and say, oh, well I 244 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: need to be comfortable. No, your everyday shoes should be comfortable, 245 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: and you should have a professional looking shoes that you 246 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: can wear to a conference all day, look professional, and 247 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: be comfortable. So what we like is for people to 248 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: find something that has a pointed toe and a little 249 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: bit of a lift in the back like a block heeled, 250 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: even if it's only half an inch so it's a 251 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: flat still, but it's just got a little bit of 252 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: a lift, and if you're wearing that with a pant, 253 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: it can almost look like a heel. So really good 254 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: example of this is the Vesta Skimmer from Colhon and 255 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: all of these are in my blogs by the way, 256 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: so people can get exact links. But that is the 257 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: perfect example of a flat that can look like a 258 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: heel when you're wearing a pants. So Cohan of course, 259 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: is always you know a good bet. Clarks usually has 260 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: a few pairs of shoes hiding in there that are 261 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: really stylish, believe it or not. If you go in 262 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: the front of the store, they have great fashion pieces 263 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: right now. Now Everlane has a new flat called the 264 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: forty hour Flat that looks so terrific and so stylish. 265 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Mark Fisher makes a pump called the Zala Pump that 266 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: we're huge fans of and it's a block heel, so 267 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot more stable for a lot of people. 268 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: And our new discovery in shoes that we're so excited 269 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: about is Ally Shoes. It's a woman owned company out 270 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: of New York, Believe. The website is Allieshoes dot NYC. 271 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: It's also in the blog and they make three inch pumps, 272 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: a classic pump with a skinny heel with arch supports 273 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: and padding built in. Oh. I am totally going to 274 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: check those out, because as you were talking about all 275 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: these flats, I'm like, no, no, no, some of us 276 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: are short, Like I'm not wearing flats, but I know 277 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm always on the lookout for comfortable heels. Yes, yes, well, 278 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Clark's has a great heel. AGL has a great heel. 279 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: They have a cap toasted pump that's amazing. But the 280 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: mark Fish is Zala a pump if you want the 281 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: more modern looking block heel is a great one, but 282 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: this Ally Shoe pump. I stopped wearing heels completely. I 283 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: had foot surgery in my twenties. I'm not messing with it. 284 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to do that again, especially while 285 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: running after two little boys. Right, I can now wear 286 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: heels two events. I'm not wearing them all day, but 287 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: I can go to a three or four hour event 288 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: and run around in heels, and I am completely fine 289 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: in the ally heels. It's incredible. All of our clients 290 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: are buying them awesome all right, comfortable shoes. We're on that. Yes, 291 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: So next one a lightweight, structured bag, so some of 292 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: our favorites are low and Sons has a tote with 293 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: a changeable outside sleeve, so instead of having to change 294 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: the inside of your bag all the time to match 295 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: your outfit, you can change the outside. Why didn't somebody 296 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: think of this before? Right? And they also make a 297 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: backpack called the Rowledge that I've been carrying when I'm 298 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: traveling with the kids and I'm not you know, a 299 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: backpack kind of person. You might imagine I don't like 300 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: the sacrifice style if I don't have to, and it's terrific. 301 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: It has it's for everything for the Communian woman. We 302 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: also love Dagny Dover, Everlane Kuyana. They have great work totes. 303 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: Dagnie Dover particularly has one like Loansn's where it has 304 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: pocket for your water bottle and your computer and everything 305 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: under the sun and if you're looking for something. Vegan 306 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: Pixie Mood and Matt and Nat are two really great brands. 307 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Awesome all right, So we've got the bag, We've got 308 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: the shoes, we've got the pants, we've got the comfortable blazer. 309 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: And what's our rounding out? Number five? Power color? Power color? Okay, 310 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: what's going But okay, you have to know what your 311 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: power color is because if you're presenting to somebody, you 312 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: have to wear color. So your power color is color 313 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: that makes you feel the most confident, gets you the 314 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 1: most compliments, makes your eye sparkle, makes you look like 315 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: you need the least amount of makeup. So two suggestions 316 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: for this are, of course, you know, a blouse, a 317 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: shift dress. You can go all out with the suits. 318 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: You can do a blazer. But our two brand suggestions. 319 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: Have you heard of the shirts? So this is another 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: This is just like Ally shoes. This is genius. Of course, 321 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: woman created a blouse that doesn't gape, so she panted 322 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: in this technology. She was actually on Oprah when the 323 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: show was still on because this was so revolutionary. So 324 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: there is a button placket and you see the regular 325 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: buttons in the front, but in between every button is 326 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: a hidden button, so your blouse never gapes. I have 327 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: a bowden shirt dress like that and it works perfectly. 328 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting that they have little like mini snaps 329 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: that you can't see that are like between So it's 330 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: like a button down. It's basically like structure like a 331 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: button down, right, So I can totally see how that 332 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: would work very nicely on a feaded button down shirt. Yeah. 333 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: And what's interesting, Yeah, what most people the shirt it's 334 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the hyphenshirt dot com. What most people do when they 335 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: create things like this is they make it all really basic. 336 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: But these are really fashionable pieces. They have incredible colors 337 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: and prints. But you can find your power color in 338 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: these shirts because they have so many different colors. And 339 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: then another brand is Norah Gardner. So she dresses a 340 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of anchors and you know, other people who have 341 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: to be on TV and in front of a lot 342 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: of people who need to wear color. And she has 343 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: a lot of incredible colors and really comfortable fabrics and 344 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: great dresses and jackets. All right, so Lonnie, we're gonna 345 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: pause right quick to take a quick add break. Well 346 00:19:53,080 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: just a quite pause one minute. All right, Well we 347 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: are back with Lonnie and Lander, who is a professional 348 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: stylist the owner of Real Lifestyle in Washington, Dcate, Lonnie, 349 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: can you just say your website again for the people 350 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: who are like, Oh, yeah, she's had all these links 351 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: on the blog, but where was that blog? What was 352 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: the name of Again? Sure, our website is real hyphen Life, 353 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: hyphenstyle dot com. Awesome, all right, so we'll make sure 354 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: that people are checking that out. So Sarah had a 355 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: question I related to this for me too, because so 356 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: she's quite petite and so a lot of stores don't 357 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: necessarily carry her size. And you mentioned some brands there 358 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: too that you might have trouble finding in like a 359 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: Nord Stream or big department store or something like that. 360 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Or if you live in a place where there aren't 361 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of boutique shopping opportunities online shopping, how 362 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: do you make that work? Like, how do you make 363 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: it so that you are going to find the right 364 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: stuff and any tech techniques you have to make that 365 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: work out well? Right, So that is a really good question, 366 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: because it is it can be super tough. So two things. 367 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: Number One, take your measurements. Most brands have measurements posted, 368 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: so for instance, if your petite or particularly tall, just 369 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: knowing your en seam can save you so much time 370 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: because these things are posted online. Check the in seame 371 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: number one and you'll see where it is number two. 372 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: You will figure out over time what are the brands 373 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: that fit you in these sizes, And it's okay to 374 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: have these go to brands and go back to the 375 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: ones that fit you, and also doing some research in 376 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: the store just to figure out what your size is 377 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: if you can, and then going and ordering online is 378 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: helpful even if they don't have the selection that you 379 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: want in the store. Great to get a baseline. Yeah, yeah, 380 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: And Sarah, you had a question about how much to 381 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: spend on clothes too, right, Yeah, like do you have 382 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: a go to ballpark? Like, I don't know, what would 383 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: you spend on like a mini refresh? What would you 384 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: spend on like an overhaul. I know there's not going 385 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: to be a one size fits all answer, but I 386 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: also wonder. So my thought process goes back to the 387 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: old fashioned What Not to Wear, where they like completely 388 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: made over somebody's wardrobe and it was like five thousand dollars. 389 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is like, back then that was 390 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: like an astronomical amount of money to my ears. I 391 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: mean now it's still a lot of money, but less 392 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: like frightening. But how much do you feel like is 393 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: a normal amount to spend on clothing. So this is 394 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: a tough question and it is something that we struggle 395 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: with when people ask us what they should spend because 396 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell people, well, this is how much 397 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: of your hard earned money you should part with. But 398 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: what we have foul is that when people need a refresh, 399 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: a mini refresh is can be about two thousand dollars 400 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: A little bit more of a refresh between two and 401 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So the what not to where people 402 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: were onto something right, they those were like something, Those 403 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: were like two thousand and five dollars or something. Okay, 404 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: well run since they're true that much. But yeah, and 405 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: are you better off? I mean spending big on like 406 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: those five workhorse pieces you talked about and maybe budgeting 407 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: some smaller amounts for accessories. I mean, how would you 408 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: see that splitting splitting down the middle there? Right, So 409 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: everyone's wardrobe is going to be different, and some people 410 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: are Some people do better with a smaller, more capsule wardrobe, 411 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: and other people require more variety, either because of their 412 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: position at work or just how they like to get dressed. 413 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: But if you have invested in these five pieces, there 414 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: were these five elements, you're really going to have a 415 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: lot more flexibility in your wardrobe and those this is 416 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: the place where you should invest. And then after that, 417 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: the blouses can cost a little less. You can look 418 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: for a blouse on sale at the end of the 419 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: season as long as it's perfect for you. Don't buy 420 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: just because it's on sale. Yes, let's talk about that right. Oh, 421 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: because I know the number you just said, We're going 422 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: to get mail from our listeners be like, ah, two 423 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: thousand dollars is a huge amount. But what happens is 424 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: that most time people aren't spending it in one go. 425 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: What they're doing is they're buying like a fifty dollars 426 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: shirt here and there, and then maybe it gets worn 427 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't, but there's nothing systematic about it, 428 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and so that these little amounts wind up adding up. 429 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: It's what you're arguing is that you should invest sort 430 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: of a bigger amount consciously, I mean possibly with the 431 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: help of a stylist for instance, that that might be 432 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: a wiser way to approach a wardrobe versus the bit 433 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: by bit that people tend to do. Right, So that 434 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: is exactly what we tell people is people do not 435 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: realize how much money they spend unconsciously on a little here, 436 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: a little there, this thing on sale. The amount of 437 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: things people pull out of their closet that they wore 438 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: once or not at all is unbelievable. So the thing 439 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: that we concentrate on is cost per wear, because every 440 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: single piece of clothing that we buy with them, they 441 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: are wearing over and over and over. So the cost 442 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: per wear is going to be so much lower than 443 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: a twenty dollars shirt that they got on sale but 444 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: didn't wear or wore one time, rather than a two 445 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: hundred dollars shirt that they're going to wear every week 446 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: or every other week. That's a great point. So cost 447 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: per wear and something like the black pants, I mean, 448 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: you could have like a huge amount of wears on 449 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: a pair of black pants right right, and like the 450 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: NYDJ pants that were huge fans of. I think there 451 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: are one hundred and fifteen dollars, So it isn't that 452 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: that's no money. But if you're wearing them three times 453 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: a week, and trust me, no one's going to notice. 454 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: If you're wearing the same black pants three times a week, 455 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: you can that's nothing. Even at the end of the season, Lonnie, 456 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: I feel seen that you just said that you could 457 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: wear the same pants three times in a week, it 458 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: would be okay. Although I will add I normally work 459 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: from home, so there's not really the same worry that 460 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: somebody might might see the same thing for our listeners 461 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: who do work from home, for instance, do you have 462 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: any jeans recommendations, so people who do you want to 463 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: look cute but can wear real casual clothes. Do you 464 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: have favorite jeans and brands of jeans? Well, from budget 465 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: to more very expensive. I can say we actually love 466 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: uniclow jeans if you want something budget, especially if you're 467 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: working from home and you're like, I don't want to 468 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: buy two hundred dollars jeans to work from home. For 469 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: the more expensive ones, we love Jbrand, we love Page, 470 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: we love good American. Those are all the ones that 471 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: fit really well and are really comfortable. Excellent advice. Well, 472 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: we know we need to get Lannie out of here 473 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: because she has a kid. Event. This is the wonderful 474 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: thing of best of both worlds. We have awesome working 475 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: moms who have things going on professionally, things going on 476 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: personally here, but we always end with our love of 477 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: the week, So this is something that is awesome we'll 478 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: probably do something fashion related, just because that's what we're 479 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: talking about. Sarah, do you have something for us? Yeah? 480 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: I will. My fashion love of the week is my 481 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: Chanelle sunglasses circa twenty sixteen that are still going strong. 482 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: I still love them. They don't look terribly out of style. 483 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: They have a few scratches because I don't take care 484 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: of anything I own, but they still look fine and 485 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: I love their polarizing lenses, so that's great. So I've 486 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: been wearing these Rothy's flats, which I know you mentioned 487 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: the idea of finding a pair of comfortable shoes. I 488 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: don't know if they're quite formal enough to wear anywhere 489 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: that's not casual, but my life is pretty casual. You 490 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: love Rothy's for casual. You love Rothy's for casual too. Well, 491 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: they advertise on my other podcast, So I got sense 492 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: a pair and I actually really wear them. I'll go 493 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: ahead and say that on this podcast. So their flats 494 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: are very comfortable. So, Lonnie, how about you, what's your 495 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: love of the week? Can I do a beauty one? 496 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 1: Of course, you could do whatever you want, So static nails? Okay. 497 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: I had a moment of weakness on Instagram and was like, 498 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: if it's only one, that's pretty good, I know, right, Well, 499 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: I had a second one recently, but I'm waiting for 500 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: it to arrive to see if it really works. I'll 501 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: let you know. So Static Nails is an eco friendly, 502 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: like five free or whatever they call it, nail polish 503 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: that is long lasting, but it comes off and goes 504 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: on like regular nail polish. So I decided, you know, 505 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: in this last year or two, I need to be 506 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: grown up and have nice nails. Right. So I was 507 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: going to the salon and I have such terrible nails 508 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: that I had to do the dip in order to 509 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: keep nail polish on my nails. But the time of 510 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: going to the salon in between, you know the rest 511 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: of my working mom life was making me crazy. I 512 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: would sit there and just my skin would crawl. At 513 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: the time, I was wasting. So I was like, well, 514 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: might as well try it. And this stuff actually stays on. 515 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: It's supposed to stand for ten days, but on my 516 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: terrible nails, it stays on like five to seven. There's 517 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: a primer and a top coat. But I put it 518 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: on my blog and so many people bought it and 519 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: everybody loves it. And it really really works. Static nails, 520 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: and they have gorgeous colors. Awesome, all right, static nails. 521 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: I'll have to check that out. I've never managed to 522 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: keep nail puls but you know, maybe someday I'll be 523 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: a grown up too. Right, Well, this color Mademoiselle is 524 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: like a light pink sofa chips. Nobody knows if somebody notices, Okay, 525 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: because I tip it in the car leaving the salon. Kay, 526 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: so it doesn't make sense to go to the salon 527 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: in the first place, yes, exactly. All right, well, Lonnie, 528 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for joining us. We really 529 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: appreciate it and remind our listeners where they can find 530 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: you again Real lifestyle dot Com with hyphen so Real 531 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: Hyphenlife hyphenstyle dot Com. All right, well, thank you so much, Lonnie. 532 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Fancy, Thank you, Lannie. It was great. 533 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: All right. Well, that was fascinating. I was taking notes. 534 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Were you taking notes, Sarah? Yeah? I loved that interview. 535 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I mean I feel a little bit motivated. 536 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: I feel a little what I'm to get back for 537 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: our listeners who were like listening to this while driving 538 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: their car because they're like, wait, I can't write anything 539 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: down while I'm driving my car, but I am sure 540 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: in your blog post that you will have a handy 541 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: summary of some of the fantastic items that she mentioned. 542 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: Plus they are all on her blog. That's true, so 543 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: we can get those lists there, and I'll put some 544 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: up on my blog as well. But yeah, what did 545 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: you feel inspired to go buy anything after? I felt 546 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: I did feel a little bit inspired to go buy something. 547 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: I did. I felt a little bit inspired to maybe 548 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: make this more of a project for myself and one 549 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: that I'm going to invest a little bit of time 550 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: and financial means into. I think, I mean, I actually 551 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: liked I know you mentioned that we may get a 552 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: lot of mail, you know, regarding the number figure that 553 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: she threw out there. I know that, for example, as 554 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: a resident like that is a completely inaccessible range for me, 555 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: I was not going to be able to drop anywhere 556 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: near that on clothing. However, I also think it's bad 557 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: when we never mentioned numbers, which is why I'm doing 558 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: a lot more of that like on my blog, because 559 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: it's helpful to have a ballpark of what you know, 560 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: a wardrobe filled with quality pieces that are designed to 561 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: last and enough things that you're literally not wearing the 562 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: same two outfits every day would cost Actually thought it 563 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: was very helpful because then in my mind, I'm like, well, 564 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: maybe I'll think about, like what percentage of my quote 565 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: unquote allowance money I would want to devote towards refreshing 566 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: my wardrobe, and then like one, I would want to 567 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: do that. So how would you do that though with 568 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: your allowance? Because from what I gathered, the numbers she 569 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: threw out were bigger than your monthly allowance. So sure, 570 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: how would you then do the accounting? I mean not 571 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: that you can't go spend the money, but like how 572 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: would you do the accounting for it? Then? No, so no, 573 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: that's a great question. So I mean I don't usually 574 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: spend my entire quote unquote allowance, so I would just 575 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: save up. So I've done that before, Like I bought 576 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: my MacBook Pro with my quote unquote allowance. I think 577 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: I may have overdrawn my allowance. My MacBook Pro cost 578 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: over two thousand dollars because it's like a really good computer. 579 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: But I had just kind of let some money accumulate 580 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: in my allowance fund from month to month because actually 581 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: the you know, the budgeting program I use lets you 582 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: do that. So if I don't spend, if I have 583 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: a couple remaining hundred dollars one month, then that's going 584 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: to roll over. So if I really wanted to do 585 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: this and kind of feel like I had the money 586 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: to truly spend and treat myself, probably what I would 587 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: do is say something like, you know what, January twenty 588 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: twenty one, I want to see if I can save 589 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: up you know, two thousand in my account and then 590 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: do like a full on mini refresh and just commit 591 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: to that. Now, I'm just throwing that out there. I 592 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: haven't committed to it in my mind yet, but I'm 593 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: sort of in the pre contemplation phase because really, I'm 594 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: not kidding. It's gotten a little bad life for that too. 595 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: I also feel like maybe I need a refresh in 596 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: the sense that I, well, I wear the same thing 597 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: every day anyway, but that's a you know, fewer people 598 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: seeing it. I may be slightly up on the scale 599 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: from where I was before. I mean, we've talked about 600 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: weight going up and down in the past, but you're 601 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: in that weird breast feeding phase where you're hungry and like, yeah, 602 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: there's that, But I also like just eating when I'm hungry. 603 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: So part of me is like, well, maybe this is 604 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: just the size I should be, And I kind of, 605 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, drawn to that idea of like, you know, 606 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: eat when you're hungry, and then that's the size you 607 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: are as long as you're exercising as well. And so 608 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: if that's the case, then I probably should shop for 609 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: that size. And maybe that would involve of a stylist. 610 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: I have used one in the past when I was 611 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: living in New York. I wrote about the experience in 612 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight hours if anyone wants to 613 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: check that out. But I totally agree with what Lannie 614 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: was saying that if you are going to invest a 615 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: big chunk of money, first realize you may be doing 616 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: it already, like you may be dribbling it out in 617 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: like one hundred dollars purchases here and there. Second, if 618 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: you are going to spend a big chunk at once, 619 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: it would be better to do it mindfully, perhaps with 620 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: a bit of expert help. That's somebody who can say, 621 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, that looks good on you, that maybe not 622 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: so much, Like are you sure you want that? I 623 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: think that that could be very valuable. So spending mindfully 624 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: always a good idea, and hopefully a lot of our 625 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: listeners will be doing that after listening to this episode. 626 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking maybe I need a stylist one of 627 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: these days too. So our question this week is from 628 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: a podcast listener in Germany. So, Sarah, you want me 629 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: to read that? Yes? Okay, all right? Sure, I forgot 630 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: which one of us was that's reading it. I'm feeding 631 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: the baby again, so yet another multitasking session. If anyone's 632 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: listening to this, all right? The question. I am a 633 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: fellow physician and will soon be transitioning from direct patient 634 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: care to a more office based job in public health. 635 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: So far, I almost never needed to use email or 636 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: any other office tools professionally for my daily job. What 637 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: are your tips and tricks about how to organize my 638 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: workday when I don't have a strict schedule as in 639 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: patient care. I would really like to get a headstart 640 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: on this, and I imagine that you, Sarah, might have 641 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: experienced a similar situation, so any advice is appreciated. Yeah, 642 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: I love this question. I mean I definitely went through 643 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: a similar transition. I still do clinical work for about 644 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: forty percent of my time, but it's not no longer 645 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: the bulk of what I'm doing, so I've had to 646 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: develop my own strategies to make things work. So I 647 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: can share what's worked for me so far. I would 648 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: say the number one thing is blocking out my time 649 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: and just being really strict about not letting clinical responsibilities 650 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: bleed into my deeper work time. That means, like, if 651 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the morning working on the residence schedule, 652 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: that's on my checklist of things to do, so I 653 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: have a purpose for that time, and I have an 654 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: amount of time that's just like not nobody's allowed to 655 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: bother me with anything else. I also really have been 656 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: working on making sure that meetings have a purpose and 657 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: are not scheduled so that they break up my days. 658 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit stingy. I started out and 659 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: if somebody wanted a meeting time, I would just give 660 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: them every single moment that I was free. And I 661 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: quickly learned that that is a bad practice because I'll 662 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: end up with like a fifteen minute at ten am 663 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: on Monday, and then like a you know, another one 664 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: like on Tuesday at three, and then you know, they're 665 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: like scattered all over the place, and then it's hard 666 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: to use the time between them. It's much much better 667 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: if I can make it work to have like a 668 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: day that's like meetings and then a half a day 669 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: or a full day that is not meetings that is 670 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: free time to actually get some of those things done 671 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: that you talk about in all the meetings. So that's 672 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: been a big thing for me. I do Inbox zero weekly. 673 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: I know people debate whether or not that is necessary 674 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: or a thing. I mean, I think, I think whether 675 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: or not you actually clear out every messagers just have 676 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: a way of systematically going through them to treat out them. 677 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily matter which is yours. But for me, 678 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: I like to get everything to zero every Friday, or 679 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: at least every other Friday, because otherwise I do miss 680 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: little things that people that could come back to bite 681 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: me a little bit. And one thing that I do 682 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: when I clear it out is I have a folder 683 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: called waiting on or deal with later, kind of a 684 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: thing where if I want to delete it, but I know, 685 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: I know I need to look back at it, and 686 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: it could be as simple as like, oh, I know 687 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: I need to send this out to the residence, but 688 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: I really shouldn't send it till March, so I don't 689 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: want to keep looking at it now, or if it's 690 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: something like a reimbursement where I submitted it and I'm 691 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: just waiting to make sure that it happened. I put 692 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: it in there, and I just glanced through all those 693 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: saved files weekly and then delete what's no longer relevant. 694 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: But it's not like staring at me in my inbox. 695 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: If you have a job that has a yearly flow 696 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: to it, creating some kind of master's calendar to help 697 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: you make your to do list is helpful. I'm quickly 698 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: learning that my work now revolves around the academic calendar, 699 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: and the things that we have to do are kind 700 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: of like the same each year. So I don't know 701 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: if your job has that circular to it, but it's 702 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: amazing how people could be surprised about things that come 703 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: up again and again. So yeah, those are kind of 704 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: the things that I've developed over the past year or 705 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: so of having a job that's more like this, and 706 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: I expect that I still have plenty of tricks and 707 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: things to learn, but I feel like I've made progress 708 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: since the beginning, and I think give yourself time to 709 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: settle in to the new rhythm because it doesn't come instantly. Yeah, 710 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: I agree with that it doesn't come instantly. But I 711 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: think if you start out with some good habits, like 712 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: setting blocks of time for as Sarah said, the different 713 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: projects that or the types of work that you are 714 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: going to have to do. If you have blocks carved 715 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: out every week for working on certain projects, then you 716 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: know it will happen, and then you don't get surprised 717 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: by that. I would also be very careful about email because, 718 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: as people have found, it can take over their whole lives. 719 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, email will expand to fill all available space, 720 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: and so you have to consciously choose to give it 721 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: a certain amount of space. You know, if you are 722 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: expected to respond to things quite frequently, you might be 723 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: best off saying you'll be on for twenty minutes and 724 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: then off for like two hours, and then on for 725 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: twenty minutes and off for two hours, so then you're 726 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: responding to stuff fairly quickly. I mean two hours is 727 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: really not that much time. It is close to instant. 728 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean you could have been traveling and there in 729 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: a meeting or whatever, but keeping the time open when 730 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: you're not in your inbox allows you to make progress 731 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: on other things. I mean, our listener is going to 732 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: discover very quickly that there are people she works with 733 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: who never do anything but email because they're constantly going 734 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: into their inbox and then getting distracted by another message. 735 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: And they are doing something and then they get distracted 736 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: by another message. So if you cannot start that, you'll 737 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: be in a much better place. Well, this has been 738 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We've mostly been talking with Lannie 739 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: and Lander are stylist about all the great clothes we 740 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: should have. We'll put links on the website and we 741 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: will be back next week with more on making work 742 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find 743 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoe box dot com, are at 744 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find 745 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been 746 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next 747 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: time for more on making work and life work together.