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Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted.

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Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat

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Speaker 2: about life and relationships.

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Speaker 3: All while we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

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Speaker 4: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Desperately Devoted. Hi guys, Hi, you look

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Speaker 2: so cute. It's my favorite part of Thursday. See you

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Speaker 2: getting to connect with our listeners. Hi, everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: So earlier this week, we talked about episode fourteen, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to follow that up here with a couple

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Speaker 2: of things from this episode inspired me for the idea

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Speaker 2: that I have. So one is in episode fourteen, which

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Speaker 2: was called Loves in the Air. This was the episode

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Speaker 2: where you had three be asked by Rex if she

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Speaker 2: would be a dominatrix and if she would get into

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Speaker 2: that kind of sex. I even want to be so

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Speaker 2: judgmental as I call it a perversion, because that that

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Speaker 2: feels like I'm judging. Is kink not a judgment?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's considered a pejorative to say,

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Speaker 1: and it's just what it's called.

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Speaker 2: It's kay, it's a kink. Okay. So so Brion Rex

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Speaker 2: Get Kinky, and the combo of them being kinky and

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Speaker 2: the title being called Love Is in the Air made

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Speaker 2: me think about all the crazy sex and different things

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Speaker 2: that happen in the air on airplanes.

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Speaker 4: Wile High Club, Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: So yes, we can definitely most obviously talk about who

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Speaker 2: is in or has been or frantasized about being in

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Speaker 2: the Mile High Club, but also just I feel like

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Speaker 2: I don't know every other TikTok and Instagram reel I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing these days is somebody losing their shit on an airplane,

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Speaker 2: and I just feel like there's something about being in

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Speaker 2: the air, like I'll start with this and then you guys, okay,

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Speaker 2: Like I remember this was actually pre cell phone, but

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Speaker 2: even more with cell phones, although now there's plenty of

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Speaker 2: planes where you can still connect from your cell phone,

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Speaker 2: and I hate that because now you have to, like

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Speaker 2: you have to choose to opt out of using your

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Speaker 2: cell phone on an airplane, whereas you used to just

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Speaker 2: be able to not use it. And so for me,

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Speaker 2: I used to call I used to think of it

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Speaker 2: as like a spa day, Like I'm in a plane

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Speaker 2: for these four hours and no one can reach me,

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Speaker 2: and I can't do anything about anything, and it's the

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Speaker 2: most relaxing place to be, to be in a plane.

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Speaker 2: Cut to now you can get a hold of me.

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Speaker 2: Plus my anxiety and fear about flying every time I

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Speaker 2: take off just gets worse and worse every time I fly.

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Speaker 1: And I will say airlines are the least relaxing places nowadays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But all that said, what do we think is

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Speaker 2: love in the air? I will say, I am not

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Speaker 2: part of the mile high club.

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Speaker 4: I think I might. I have like.

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Speaker 3: Too much anxiety to try to join the male high club,

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Speaker 3: certainly in any type of public plane, which is really

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Speaker 3: the only type of plan I'm flying on remotely frequently

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Speaker 3: these days. That said, I find planes. This is this

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Speaker 3: is my kink I'm revealing to you guys. And I

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Speaker 3: really have not told this to like anyone, so lean

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Speaker 3: in I.

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Speaker 1: Was gonna say, but now just make sure you get

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Speaker 1: it into the mic.

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Speaker 3: I find planes very erotic, especially like an overnight flight

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Speaker 3: or like a like a long like a twelve hour flight.

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Speaker 3: There is something and I'll tell you what it is,

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Speaker 3: that is erotic to me because it's not actually like

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Speaker 3: the logistics of like trying to figure out how you

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Speaker 2: Okay again, I'm just saying these Thursday Bonus episodes are

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Speaker 2: they're the ones that cross the mother daughter line. I

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Speaker 2: think quite, I tell you quite how often. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm it's nic It's honestly, I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like it could be weirder than if I said it's

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Speaker 3: having sex with someone.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: The thing that's erotic is I find liminal space very sexy,

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Speaker 3: I think, and also time, like there's this magical suspension.

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Speaker 3: You are literally flying through time. You know, you were

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Speaker 3: losing a day, you are gaining a day, Like the

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Speaker 3: boundaries and the laws of our present reality and time

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Speaker 4: Time in this kind of liminal space.

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Speaker 3: And to me, that feeling of being untethered from the

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Speaker 3: things that ground us in our reality is sexy. And

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Speaker 3: I've never actually had anyone like participate in feeling like

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Speaker 4: One of those are really fancy.

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Speaker 1: The fantasy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I don't know there's something about long

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Speaker 1: I need to adopt your mentality about flying Emerson, because

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Speaker 1: I do not find it to be an erotic place whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I am like I'm.

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Speaker 1: Still masked on a plane, like I am literally sending

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Speaker 1: out all the signals of like don't interact with me

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Speaker 1: at all, Like I don't find them to be inherently sexy.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Mile High Club is clearly meant

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Speaker 1: for days of your uh when flying was when like

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Speaker 1: now we've gotten we have no space, we have no

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Speaker 1: nothing's private, Like there's no way to do it.

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Speaker 4: Those line for the bathroom is so bad, and the

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Speaker 1: Is always like you know, forty p the whole freaking

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Speaker 1: plane I was lined up blocking the I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: just no way to go about it unless it's like

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Speaker 1: private jet or older planes and so yeah, but you've got.

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Speaker 2: The government now saying that they want us to stop

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Speaker 2: leakings and they want us to start dressing up to

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Speaker 3: If they want to rip out all the seats and

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Speaker 3: start putting in couches and bars and live music, then yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll dress.

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Speaker 4: Up, right, I know.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise let us have our sweatpants and our socks. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: but everyone should keep their shoes on on a plane.

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Speaker 1: I do stand by that. I'm not into people taking

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Speaker 1: their feet out, but I will say I do think

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Speaker 1: one thing that's great about air travel are really fun

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Speaker 1: It is an environment where you're surrounded by strangers for

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Speaker 1: one of my best friends, Molly tarlav and I were

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Speaker 1: flying to Chicago to promote a movie that we were in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: should probably introduce yourself. So we struck up a conversation

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Speaker 1: good fun time whatever. It wasn't inherently flirting necessarily, but

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Speaker 2: But then that was that.

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Speaker 1: We landed and we went our separate ways and YadA

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Speaker 1: bumped into him back in La coming out of a bar.

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Speaker 1: We did exchange numbers that time, spoiler alayer. Still nothing

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Speaker 1: came of it. But a few years after that I

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Speaker 1: saw him pop up as a contestant on The Bachelorette.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's insane.

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Speaker 2: That says to me. That reinforces my whole theory. I'm

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Speaker 2: completely like taking a left turn now my theory on entanglement,

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Speaker 2: Like I have a big belief in the quantum physics

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Speaker 2: of entanglement. Like yes, there's just no way that's too

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Speaker 2: weird that I know, you know, like did you so

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Speaker 2: obviously you never crossed pras what happened to him on

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Speaker 2: the batch? What did you watch the show? Do you

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Speaker 2: know what I was trying.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to remember what because because I was

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Speaker 1: trying to remember who he is, what his name is,

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Speaker 1: if he's still in my phone? And I texted Molly

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Speaker 2: Sorry, that's funny, but.

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Speaker 1: I think he had maybe he even had a bit

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I had an entangled meant weird thing happened. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I was on a plane when I was married to

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Speaker 4: Like, please don't tell me you joined the Mile High Club.

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Speaker 2: and Clark. No, I'm not going to see that's the

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Speaker 4: Hear that you guys joined the Mile High Club.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't want to hear that you joined it

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, no, that didn't happen. So anyways, but

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Speaker 2: I did meet this man next to me, and he

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Speaker 2: that's a cool conversation and whatever. Ten years later, when

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Speaker 2: I was divorced and he told me he was divorced too,

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Speaker 2: we met again and then we actually started dating. But

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Speaker 1: You want to be met on a plane and he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of baggage and.

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Speaker 2: Then ten yeah, shut up, I just I think.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think, Andrea, are you exploring your writing career with

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Speaker 2: enough passion? Because I hire her? I feel like it's.

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Speaker 1: It little just for those But that's wild, Terry. Wait,

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Speaker 1: so you said it was ten years in between when

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Speaker 2: It was ten years in between.

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Speaker 4: How did you meet again?

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Speaker 2: The second time I met him again in New York

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Speaker 2: at a restaurant, it was actually my first Thanksgiving not

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Speaker 2: having custody of you, Like, it was my first Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: like maybe we don't hear enough about when you have

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you have you ever with anybody else at

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Speaker 4: The Mile High Club. I feel like if any of

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Speaker 1: Or because I just have had because you've probably had

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Speaker 4: You travel experiences and now you're done.

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting you, know, although we do have to

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to be honest, because that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: But I'm glad that you didn't have sex with that

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Speaker 4: No, well, that's what I would love to know.

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Speaker 2: Tell us?

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Speaker 1: And there's some to live out her fantasy erotic flight.

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Speaker 2: So circling back to like Rex and Bree and and

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Speaker 4: We've met the boundary.

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Speaker 2: No, that is what we're doing. Well maybe right, maybe

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Speaker 3: Get the kink that Rex and for here exploring, And

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Speaker 3: I think there's a place for her sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Everyone should explore all of their fantasies and feel safe

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Speaker 3: It's really definitely much more talked about and ideally at

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, put that out into the air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really brave. It's really it's really trust is

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Speaker 2: You know what, I.

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Speaker 3: Guarantee we are all thinking that the liminal space of

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Speaker 1: I'll be thinking about it the next time I fly,

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