Speaker 1: Can we talk about the game day fit?
Speaker 2: What do you mean what you wear? I wore two
Speaker 2: things specifically.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, maybe that's the Josh McDaniels visors,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack
Speaker 1: and Kyler, and we're on the quest to find the
Speaker 1: greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are
Speaker 1: covering the infamous two thy fourteen AFC Divisional Round game
Speaker 1: between the Patriots and the Ravens aka the Double Pass Game.
Speaker 1: We've already done it. This will be our second time
Speaker 1: doing it with who Josh McDaniel's the guy behind the
Speaker 1: formations and the double pass, six time Super Bowl champion,
Speaker 1: former head coach, our first head coach, and we're talking
Speaker 1: what it takes for young qbs to succeed in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Always talk about it. They have a bucket.
Speaker 3: Guys all had a bucket, and yours was a big
Speaker 3: bucket at the end, like you could handle whatever we
Speaker 3: gave you. Well, when you take a young quarterback, it's
Speaker 3: more like a cup.
Speaker 1: Calling plays in two of the greatest comebacks of all time.
Speaker 1: When I'm going over in motion, what's going through your mind?
Speaker 3: It's not man and then when I saw the guy
Speaker 3: start to creep in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like,
Speaker 3: we couldn't have drawn up like them playing a better
Speaker 3: defense for the play.
Speaker 1: And what the hell is in that water at John
Speaker 1: Carroll University? For all these goddamn coaches back at John Carroll?
Speaker 1: Did Casario come in? And he?
Speaker 3: When Chaplinsky and I got there, Cassio was a red
Speaker 3: shirt freshman.
Speaker 1: Redshirt freshman.
Speaker 3: He's like the only guy in the history of Division
Speaker 3: three football that red shirt.
Speaker 1: And we wrap it up by creating our swaggiest touching
Speaker 1: fit of all time. Can't wait to read about this
Speaker 1: in the comment section. You gotta stick around to the
Speaker 1: very end. Let's go Games and Names of the production
Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio January tenth, twenty fifteen, Jellet Stadium, Focks Pro, Massachusetts. Jules,
Speaker 1: you need any lead up if we call the double pass? Nope,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just time to dust off the old
Speaker 1: thrown on. This is the double pass game, Josh.
Speaker 4: Version you guys, man, you know who I played pickleball
Speaker 4: with last night?
Speaker 2: Gronk's brother, which one the Gordyah? Yeah, he's pretty good, dude.
Speaker 2: He is, like it was s well.
Speaker 1: First of all, he looks like an Olympic volleyball player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's tall as ship.
Speaker 3: And I'm like and I was like, all right, I
Speaker 3: don't know if this guy's like he had touch.
Speaker 1: Flank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they pickled us one game and then we
Speaker 3: came back and beat him on the next one.
Speaker 1: But I was like, damn, Robbie is really good?
Speaker 5: Is he?
Speaker 1: Ye? I could see him being good. Robs good at
Speaker 1: like pretty a lot of things. It's crazy. Remember how
Speaker 1: good he was at basketball? And I never knew he was.
Speaker 1: I never I was like I could. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: imagined he was.
Speaker 3: I can imagine him dunking and like ripping the hoop down,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't imagine that he was a.
Speaker 1: Shooter as he was. He won the shot contest, I don't.
Speaker 1: I've talked about it on here. Teams know who was
Speaker 1: actually really good too a basketball Logan Mankins at All
Speaker 1: State And really that's awesome, Logan Mankins. I couldn't have
Speaker 1: ever I heard that he had to play like a
Speaker 1: center or something. Probably, but I bet you he was
Speaker 1: souper because he had big hands. He probably had good touch.
Speaker 1: I played against Orlando Pace in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude never went inside the three point line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unbelievable. I'm like I was.
Speaker 2: I was looking at him, going, dude going down to
Speaker 2: the on the block, there's like, you're like, shack, Yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody's and he would just stand outside and shoot threes.
Speaker 1: Who else you played with? Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 1: Let's get into this real quick. Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 1: Today we are looking at the two thy fourteen AFC
Speaker 1: Divisional Round game, the double pass, the Ravens versus the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Here with Josh McDaniels, the guy who gave him my
Speaker 1: opportunity unity. You know, I'm having Billy Oh later on
Speaker 1: this week. He was the guy that held me back,
Speaker 1: jos Josh McNee was the guy who gave me the
Speaker 1: opportunity in the same offense to thrive to what I
Speaker 1: was at. But the first question we asked all our
Speaker 1: guests in one sentence, why did you pick this game?
Speaker 3: I think this was well one that had I'd say
Speaker 3: it had to do you were significantly involved in it, obviously,
Speaker 3: but this was I think this is my favorite home
Speaker 3: game that I ever was a part of. We had
Speaker 3: some really good Super Bowls and those kind of memories. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the AFC Championship game in Kansas City sticks out to me.
Speaker 3: I had another one when I was younger against Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: and Pittsburgh. But I would say for home games, like
Speaker 3: the quality of the opponent, the way the game had
Speaker 3: to go, the way that it turned out.
Speaker 1: I think this was probably my favorite home game that
Speaker 1: I was ever part of. Wow, is this the greatest
Speaker 1: game of all time? No, this is not the greatest
Speaker 1: game of all time.
Speaker 2: It's in the top It's certainly in the top five
Speaker 2: or six for me in terms of Patriots games that
Speaker 2: I was a part of, no question about it.
Speaker 1: What's life looking at right now? What are you doing
Speaker 1: these days?
Speaker 2: Different? You know, different in a good way. Two kids
Speaker 2: in college, you know, and then still two girls now
Speaker 2: at home. I've been able to see them more.
Speaker 3: My sons get ready to play a sophomore year at
Speaker 3: John Carroll Football. He's playing in the slot receiver, so
Speaker 3: got to work with him some of the summer. I'll
Speaker 3: be able to see him play. I've seen him practice
Speaker 3: now multiple times, which is great. A lot of pickleball.
Speaker 3: I'm probably as healthy as I've been in twenty years.
Speaker 1: Is that that's what's keeping the weight down. You look,
Speaker 1: you look thin. Thank you looking good. Trying a little
Speaker 1: fluffy to get my fighting weight, trying to get the
Speaker 1: fighting weight. Yeah I am looking good.
Speaker 2: Well I was getting a little fluffed the other way.
Speaker 1: You know that people don't realize the coach's life. The
Speaker 1: coaches life is like the most stressful thing ever. If
Speaker 1: you look at it's like Obama when he first went
Speaker 1: into office, and you see when he went like when
Speaker 1: he left office, he looked like he almost died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's when a coach goes
Speaker 1: through yearly, like literally, they eat the worst shit ever
Speaker 1: they have to. They have their schedules jam packed, especially
Speaker 1: with how Belichick was working these guys, and you know,
Speaker 1: they just sit and they watch film and eat fucking
Speaker 1: food all day long. They try to get a workouted,
Speaker 1: but they preach it, but they don't always get it in.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a tough life and the
Speaker 1: stress is crazy. Now you talked about John Carroll, you know,
Speaker 1: how come, what's what's up with John Carroll? We had
Speaker 1: a lot of John Carroll guys. Can you explain that
Speaker 1: area and what that program? And you know, especially you
Speaker 1: know Ohio where you were from. A lot of these
Speaker 1: guys are from Ohio.
Speaker 3: I think, look, Ohio's in the in the Midwest, and
Speaker 3: there's there's not as much to do. You're not on
Speaker 3: one of the coasts, and so the game of football
Speaker 3: in Ohio is like the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And so when you're growing up in Ohio, you know
Speaker 3: all the high school teams, you know, the Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame game comes there once a year. That's a huge
Speaker 3: week and a huge part of the the culture there.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody goes to the enshrinement, you know, so
Speaker 3: football is kind of like in the blood. And then
Speaker 3: to go to school there, I went with a lot
Speaker 3: of kids from Ohio, some from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Chicago, but
Speaker 3: you know, I think we all kind of were there
Speaker 3: for the same reason. At Division III, you're not there
Speaker 3: to make it to the NFL. You're not there to
Speaker 3: make a bunch of money. You're not you know, you're
Speaker 3: not there on a free ride. You're paying to go
Speaker 3: to school and you want to have as many years
Speaker 3: left that you can to play football. So you meet
Speaker 3: a lot of cool dudes that are there for the
Speaker 3: right reasons, and so when when that happened, when Bill
Speaker 3: gave me an opportunity, and then the next question, you know,
Speaker 3: six months later, was like, hey, do you know anything
Speaker 3: anybody else that kind of would be like you in
Speaker 3: terms of being accountable, work hard, smart, could learn. And
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, I know Nick so and then
Speaker 3: I suggested Nick, Yeah, Casario, and then eventually we suggested
Speaker 3: you know, Ziggler and Chaplinsky and Kaylee and and it
Speaker 3: was kind of like almost like this unspoken thing like
Speaker 3: don't break the freaking chain, like don't be the guy
Speaker 3: that lets all of us.
Speaker 1: Down, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And and and you know, you know, when you're given
Speaker 3: a recommendation, you're thinking long and hard about who that
Speaker 3: guy is, you know, And so we kind of all
Speaker 3: put our name on somebody. Brian Davile did it for me,
Speaker 3: you know, Dave's wasn't from John Carroll, but we were
Speaker 3: together and that's.
Speaker 1: How I ended up there.
Speaker 3: And then we kind of all suggested somebody when when
Speaker 3: when Bill came to us and said, hey, is there
Speaker 3: another guy.
Speaker 1: That you know?
Speaker 3: And I think everybody just you know, deserves their own
Speaker 3: credit for upholding.
Speaker 1: Their end of the bargain. Yeah, Now, what are these
Speaker 1: stories you know back at John Carroll? What was what
Speaker 1: was I heard? Did Caserio come in? And he?
Speaker 3: So Caserio was when I got there, when Chaplinsky and
Speaker 3: I got there, and uh, Casiro was a red shirt freshman.
Speaker 1: Red shirt freshman.
Speaker 3: He's like the only guy in the history of Division
Speaker 3: three football that red shirt you.
Speaker 2: Know, like like literally like like he he was so
Speaker 2: intent on like playing and like having all these records
Speaker 2: and breaking all this.
Speaker 3: And it was like he and I get there and
Speaker 3: I'm like and I said, well, what what great is
Speaker 3: Nick in? And They're like, he's a red shirt freshman.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's not just a sophomore, like like you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I want him.
Speaker 2: I wanted him to be like ahead of me.
Speaker 3: So like if we ended up all right, he's gone,
Speaker 3: then I you know however that goes. But he red shirted,
Speaker 3: so he still had multiple years left to play. And
Speaker 3: when I was a freshman, it ended up being a
Speaker 3: fifth year senior was the starter.
Speaker 2: Nick was the backup, and I was the third string.
Speaker 3: Well, the fifth year senior who happens to be the
Speaker 3: head coach of John Carroll now Jeff Barman is his things, like,
Speaker 3: great guy. He broke his ankle in the first game.
Speaker 3: So Nick goes in, I'm the backup, and we play
Speaker 3: the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the year.
Speaker 3: Nick did a good job, and he was a really
Speaker 3: good Division three quarterback, really good Division three football player.
Speaker 3: And so he ended up playing quarterback the next four years.
Speaker 3: And and so I switched positions as a junior so I
Speaker 3: could play. I'm like, I'm not gonna you know, I
Speaker 3: was supposed to sit behind him the whole time and
Speaker 3: hope for him to get injured. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: do that, you know, So he ended up throwing to
Speaker 3: me the last two years.
Speaker 1: Was great. Ziggler and I played a lot together. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick's can you explain the locker room situation of which
Speaker 1: guys which guy in the locker room? So I can
Speaker 1: only imagine Becauseiria was Dudley due Wright just fucking like, guys,
Speaker 1: we got to get our protein shake in right now,
Speaker 1: Yes he did.
Speaker 2: He was the only guy the morning after like we
Speaker 2: would win a game, right, we go to the ridge,
Speaker 2: we come in the next morning, and everybody's like, you know,
Speaker 2: depending on what you did.
Speaker 1: That night, right, Like a lot of guys would go
Speaker 1: out so they'd come in.
Speaker 3: They'd be like this big slumber into the weight room
Speaker 3: the next morning and he would be like in the
Speaker 3: corner on a treadmill and it's like at eleven and
Speaker 3: it's like on a seven incline, like just like.
Speaker 1: He'd like Drago and Rocky four.
Speaker 3: And it was like the rest of us just looked
Speaker 3: at him, like, man, you come on, you gotta give
Speaker 3: it a break.
Speaker 1: But he was That's how he was. He was.
Speaker 2: He was high strung, was out in the back parking
Speaker 2: lot smoking cigarettes or what. No comment. Ziggy was a
Speaker 2: little Meszigs is real cool. Ziggs and I ended up
Speaker 2: we actually lived together.
Speaker 1: I roomed with somebody different.
Speaker 3: I wasn't not a football player in my first three years,
Speaker 3: and then Ziggs and I lived in a house together
Speaker 3: are my senior year, his junior year, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: Ziggs was a great student. But he enjoyed his he
Speaker 3: enjoyed his free time. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 6: It's always yeah, I'm out of now.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: how he's doing as GM. That's really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really excited for him. My brother's there, you know,
Speaker 3: as the receivers coach, and so I think he's really
Speaker 3: done a good job of trying to like he's taken
Speaker 3: what he needs to take from his experiences, but he's
Speaker 3: messing him with a different type of coaching staff, a
Speaker 3: different style, and they're they're figuring it out, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm really excited for what he's trying to build there.
Speaker 3: And Demiko is a really good dude, good coach. He
Speaker 3: got a really good staff, a lot of good people
Speaker 3: down there. I got to visit the spring, and I
Speaker 3: was really impressed Stroud.
Speaker 1: How you I mean, that's like lightning in a bald. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he broke all the the molds of the
Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterback everything, the rookie. I mean, he went
Speaker 1: out in bald last year and good especial.
Speaker 2: He was a really good player, Like you could tell
Speaker 2: watching his tape.
Speaker 1: He was a real good passer. Yeah, like as good
Speaker 1: of a.
Speaker 3: Passer as you're gonna see coming out, like just naturally gifted.
Speaker 3: And then all the questions about like all right, is
Speaker 3: he gonna acclimate quickly?
Speaker 1: How long is it gonna take?
Speaker 3: You know, all those things, and you know, handling adversity
Speaker 3: last year went pretty good. Hopefully this year goes better,
Speaker 3: but at some point they're gonna have to handle some adversity.
Speaker 3: But I thought he did a tremendous job as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Unreal, I mean, takes care of the ball too, took
Speaker 1: care of the ball, but he got better every week. Yep.
Speaker 1: He didn't see like if he made a mistake, Like
Speaker 1: first time he played against the Patriots the preseason, they
Speaker 1: did that, you know, they dropped someone in the flat
Speaker 1: on his own blitz and he threw a deep pick
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yep, he didn't do that again. No,
Speaker 1: you know, he caught him once and he learned from it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's how you get improvement and growth through
Speaker 1: players is and that's what you want to see from
Speaker 1: young players is not making that same mistake twice. You know,
Speaker 1: mistakes are always going to be made. Yep. The guys
Speaker 1: that become good are the guys that don't make him twice. Yep,
Speaker 1: he did a good job of I think he's I
Speaker 1: think he's well.
Speaker 3: Coached, and they know they do a really good job
Speaker 3: of putting him in good positions. And I think he
Speaker 3: he loves the game and he wants to be great.
Speaker 1: Are you watching a lot of ball right now?
Speaker 2: I can, Yeah, I I do.
Speaker 1: I try to.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously, the preseason games, you know, it is
Speaker 3: what it is. You see some things there which you're
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see some of the young guys, but
Speaker 3: I'll be able to watch the games as the season progresses.
Speaker 1: Here. Have you watched a little bit of may Drake
Speaker 1: may I have? What do you think I have them?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to see a ton of them in
Speaker 3: the spring. But he's obviously got great size, really athletic.
Speaker 3: I don't know where he'll fit in the whole, like
Speaker 3: you know, the style he'll play with. I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see how that develops, Like is he going to be
Speaker 3: a run a little bit of a runner like Josh
Speaker 3: Allen was in Buffalo. I don't think he's quite as
Speaker 3: big as Josh is, but like you know, guys like
Speaker 3: that that have those kind of attributes, you can use
Speaker 3: them to run the football too, you know. And so
Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen all that yet in the preseason,
Speaker 3: but I'm interested to see when he plays, if he
Speaker 3: becomes a little bit more of a dual threat guy,
Speaker 3: or if he's just a pocket passer and a big, tall,
Speaker 3: strong guy in the pocket. But the games I've seen,
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's done a good job.
Speaker 1: And you know last night, you know he played and
Speaker 1: he had that third and fourteen on that first drive
Speaker 1: backed up and he got that with his legs, yep,
Speaker 1: which you know was cover five. Look, I think to
Speaker 1: man or something and he you know, that was pretty
Speaker 1: cool to see. Yep.
Speaker 3: He's stepping up in the pocket, which is for a
Speaker 3: young guys, you know, like that's not always the easiest
Speaker 3: thing to get him to do. And I saw him
Speaker 3: multiple times last night.
Speaker 1: Move forward the crunch in that crunch stock. You know
Speaker 1: he stepped up, he didn't. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of times a young quarterback can't keep his eyes down
Speaker 1: field while he steps up. He takes off in one
Speaker 1: of those lanes. That's right. He delivered that football to Polk.
Speaker 1: It looked good. You know, he still needs to work
Speaker 1: his feet. He had too many throws where you know,
Speaker 1: he's like this and he's trying to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and he'll learn that, hopefully he does. But
Speaker 1: that was his mo His his feet aren't and.
Speaker 3: I don't think he plays from under center much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you can tell, you know, the when when there's
Speaker 3: exchange issues, you know, usually that's.
Speaker 1: Just time on task, you know.
Speaker 3: And I doubt he He didn't do that much in
Speaker 3: college from what I gather, So I think those are
Speaker 3: the kind of things that'll take some time for him
Speaker 3: to just acclimate, because you can't be you can't be
Speaker 3: thinking about how to get the ball from the center.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're dealing.
Speaker 3: With backup center defenses and like what's where's the blitz
Speaker 3: coming from, and what's my read and what coverage are
Speaker 3: they playing?
Speaker 1: You got it?
Speaker 2: You can't be thinking about how to get the ball.
Speaker 1: That's all. I mean. Foxboro High, right, That's that's right,
Speaker 1: Foxborough High, right, that's exactly. The One thing also pissed
Speaker 1: me off is the cleat thing he's wearing, those slipper cleats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the dude, you're too you're two thirty, you're sixty four.
Speaker 1: You can't be wearing dB one hundred and ninety five
Speaker 1: pound cleats.
Speaker 2: The guard foot where the guard get him and it
Speaker 2: just slipped off, slipped off.
Speaker 7: I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: That made me mad. You got to protect those things,
Speaker 1: especially your quarterback. You learn how to play with the
Speaker 1: heavy cleat. That's right. What's up with Mayo? What's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on how Mayo's doing. I'm excited for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 3: I uh Drod's look was a great player and uh,
Speaker 3: you know everybody. I think he had a ton of
Speaker 3: respect as a player, you know, captain, leader of the team,
Speaker 3: those kind of things were natural to him. And I
Speaker 3: think that, you know, this is going to be an
Speaker 3: interesting year for him as he goes through it, because
Speaker 3: each each step of the way will just be something
Speaker 3: he can learn from and grow from. And I feel
Speaker 3: like he has his own idea on how he wants
Speaker 3: it to be done, and he'll adapt it as this
Speaker 3: as the circumstances change as he navigates the season. But
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to prepare for this, Like you
Speaker 3: can be around football all your life and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you become a head coach and there's so
Speaker 3: many other things you're responsible for now. So I'm assuming
Speaker 3: he's going to just you know, he'll he'll acclimate to
Speaker 3: those like he's acclimated to a lot of challenges in
Speaker 3: his life, and I'm expecting him to succeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for him. You know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a dying breed, the defensive sided coach, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's one of like six, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully he finds you know, hopefully Van Pelt comes through
Speaker 1: and they have a good relationship and develop the young
Speaker 1: quarterback because ultimately his face in Drake May's hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, they've talked about it all year.
Speaker 3: I mean from what I've heard that that's obviously gonna
Speaker 3: be paramount, you know, his development and whatever the plan
Speaker 3: ends up being for Drake in terms of when he's
Speaker 3: gonna play, how they're going to handle them and continue
Speaker 3: to develop him as he goes forward, is gonna be
Speaker 3: It's gonna be important.
Speaker 1: That's the toughest thing. Like you know, they always say
Speaker 1: you can't you might as well start with Jakobe first,
Speaker 1: because you can never pull the kid once you put
Speaker 1: him in. Yeah, you know, And so that's gonna be
Speaker 1: an interesting decision what they have going into week one,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know Drawd he's a level headed guy.
Speaker 1: He's very smart guy. Yep, and you you listed all
Speaker 1: the characteristics he had. I mean, captain this that he
Speaker 1: checks all the boxes. I'm excited for his opportunity. Yep. Now,
Speaker 1: how developing young quarterbacks? Can you? Can you talk about that?
Speaker 1: You know, what's the process? Like? You were a huge
Speaker 1: part of help developing Tom Brady, right, that's when you
Speaker 1: first came in two thousand and two thousand and one. Yep,
Speaker 1: you developed him and the other guys. But what it
Speaker 1: developing a quarterback? What's that process like now? And who
Speaker 1: also makes that decision? Is the head coach, is the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, is it, you know, the quarterback coach or
Speaker 1: is it everyone's doing it their own.
Speaker 3: I think I think you have to have a plan,
Speaker 3: you know, and that obviously starts from the head coach
Speaker 3: his perspective, and you have to you know, be able
Speaker 3: to agree on how you're going to kind of unveil
Speaker 3: that thing to the to the player and you know,
Speaker 3: and ultimately bring him along.
Speaker 1: You know, you were a young player that needed to
Speaker 1: make progress every step of the way. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is no different.
Speaker 3: It's just there's so much no notoriety and so much
Speaker 3: attention on the quarterback position. So if they're not talking
Speaker 3: about your arm angle, they're talking about your footwork. If
Speaker 3: they're not talking about that, they're talking about your eyes
Speaker 3: or your read or how you navigated the pocket. And
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that go into playing it well.
Speaker 3: But I I at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: think you got to take the player where he's at.
Speaker 1: You know, when he comes in.
Speaker 3: Whether that was Castle or Garoppolo or Stidham or Brissett
Speaker 3: or mac aidan O'Connell, like, you got to take the
Speaker 3: player where he's at. They're all at different spots, they
Speaker 3: all have been taught different things. They've all you know,
Speaker 3: digested different amounts of information. Some have played in different
Speaker 3: systems than than yours. Some have played in maybe some
Speaker 3: that were a little bit more like yours. And you
Speaker 3: just got to figure out, all right, what do they know?
Speaker 3: And I what am I going to try to you know,
Speaker 3: push forward to get him to progress the quickest, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I can get this and this done in
Speaker 3: OTAs okay, great cadence play calls footwork all right, good
Speaker 3: and in training camp you know, now I got to
Speaker 3: get him to see different coverages and understand defenses a
Speaker 3: little bit more, you know, protections, you know, and then
Speaker 3: you know, move forward. You know, ball security, and then
Speaker 3: the red zone is a different animal, and third down
Speaker 3: and two minute offense.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of things that go into it.
Speaker 3: But I think it's just having a really good feel
Speaker 3: for where's the player at. Ye you know, can't just
Speaker 3: keep throwing stuff at him. Always talk about it. They
Speaker 3: have a bucket. You guys all had a bucket and
Speaker 3: yours was a big bucket at the end, like you
Speaker 3: could handle whatever we gave you. Well, when you take
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, it's more like a cup. You know,
Speaker 3: you got to put some some stuff in his cup,
Speaker 3: and when it gets to the top, you got to stop,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and then make sure that
Speaker 3: he you know, got has this and he can.
Speaker 1: Do it well.
Speaker 3: And then okay, so then when he's ready for more
Speaker 3: than you get him a bigger cup and then hopefully
Speaker 3: he ends up with a bucket and you got a
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff in there that you can do well.
Speaker 3: But there's no shortcut. There's no shortcut to it. And
Speaker 3: I think knowing where the players at is really important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's now some you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been talking about, you know, the systems in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You got the West Coast system, then you have like
Speaker 1: our system, the Charlie Weiss Patriot system, and they say
Speaker 1: that the the West Coast system is pretty much it
Speaker 1: protects the quarterback, the offensive linement, help with the protections everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone with the quarterback, you go where the
Speaker 1: ball is supposed to go. It's step system for the receivers.
Speaker 1: Is it harder to develop a quarterback in our system,
Speaker 1: because that's what people are trying to say, than it
Speaker 1: is in the West Coast system.
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the way you look at that.
Speaker 2: If the goal is just to.
Speaker 3: Restrict the volume of responsibility that you place on him
Speaker 3: right away, then it certainly could be. If at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, your goal is to have him
Speaker 3: understand how to handle all the problems and take care
Speaker 3: of those things that come up in the big games
Speaker 3: in order for him to help you win them, then
Speaker 3: maybe it's worth it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That was always our mindset. Is basically what we're talking
Speaker 3: about here is who's going to do the stuff prior
Speaker 3: to the ball being snapped? Yea, All the quarterbacks have
Speaker 3: to do the same thing. Once the ball is in
Speaker 3: their hand. They got to understand what happened relative to
Speaker 3: the protection or the pressures. They have to read the coverage,
Speaker 3: they have to identify a guy that they think is open,
Speaker 3: and make accurate throws and protect the ball like everybody
Speaker 3: does the same thing once the ball snapped. Really, what
Speaker 3: we're talking about is pre snap responsible.
Speaker 1: Pre snap responsibility. That's it.
Speaker 3: And so I always looked at it like a mountain,
Speaker 3: like at the beginning, we're at the bottom, we're trying
Speaker 3: to climb it. And at the beginning when you start
Speaker 3: talking to him about making the calls and setting the
Speaker 3: protections and dealing with the run game and all those
Speaker 3: things that we, you know, we taught our players how
Speaker 3: to do. You know, it's it's harder because it's foreign.
Speaker 3: It's not that they don't understand it, it's just different.
Speaker 3: And so at the beginning, they're at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the mountain. You look up and you're like, God, damn,
Speaker 3: that's a tall mountain, you know. But always felt like,
Speaker 3: as we went through the first year, all right, you're
Speaker 3: getting up the mountain. You know it, I know it,
Speaker 3: we all know it. And then once you get to
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain, now there's nothing left to
Speaker 3: climb because you understand it. You understand how to manipulate
Speaker 3: the protection, how to solve your issues in prep with
Speaker 3: blood zero and those kind of things, and and and
Speaker 3: just be able to to to do it at a
Speaker 3: high level, you know, because I always thought, like, Okay, Tom,
Speaker 3: everybody knows Tom's won a lot. Well, Tom did it
Speaker 3: that way. Peyton did a lot too. You know, Peyton
Speaker 3: won a lot. He did it that way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I know that pats some you know, in some way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. I'm able to handle some of those
Speaker 3: things as well. I just think having the quarterback never
Speaker 3: be responsible for any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, there's some downside to it.
Speaker 3: You know, other people might argue that that's not the case,
Speaker 3: but I would say that, you know, there's there's pros
Speaker 3: and cons to both.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I love the I love the idea of having the
Speaker 3: quarterback able to understand it all.
Speaker 1: I really do. I mean I did too. That's quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's what you paid all goddamn money, you know, fun
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Nowaday, can we talk about the game
Speaker 1: day fit? What do you mean what you wear? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: like for coaches, what what you know? Did I worked?
Speaker 2: I wore two things specifically, what I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the Josh McDaniels vice. And I wore two things.
Speaker 2: I did two things specifically.
Speaker 3: The reason I did it was so my kids, because
Speaker 3: we all look the same. Yeah, you go out there
Speaker 3: and you have the same exact outfit, and it's like
Speaker 3: when you have like a seven year old and a
Speaker 3: nine year old and you know, and they're up there
Speaker 3: in the stands and you know, somebody trying to So
Speaker 3: initially I did the white visor and the white long sleeves,
Speaker 3: you know, And that was the two things that I
Speaker 3: told him.
Speaker 1: I said, I'll that's you can see me. And then
Speaker 1: then it just.
Speaker 2: Stuck and it answers the other question that air monarchs
Speaker 2: are just dad swag?
Speaker 1: Is dad swag? Is? It is? What it is? I was,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was.
Speaker 3: You know, orthotics and everything I had. Guys, I hate
Speaker 3: the I hate the narrow shoe like it drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: I was right there with you. We were just messing around.
Speaker 2: Now, this is our guy, Jeff Angler, Angler, Angler, so Angler,
Speaker 2: this is this guy who makes orthotics.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you he comes up. The first off,
Speaker 1: these orthotics are like thirty grand each. They're like that's
Speaker 1: that's he's going over the top. Well for you, they're
Speaker 1: probably be cheaper, but there, Yeah, the team was probably
Speaker 1: know he was a cup of smaller. He made more
Speaker 1: money than I did. But he would he would roll
Speaker 1: up to Foxboro. He's from Pittsburgh. He rolled up in
Speaker 1: his motor home and he'd bring out all these contraptions
Speaker 1: and stuff and he'd be making your your your orthotics
Speaker 1: like there was some band, like there's drills and drills,
Speaker 1: but he'd be making tar and ship in like the
Speaker 1: parking lot, which is like fully illegal. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I went to his house once to do so. You
Speaker 3: know how he does a mold to your feet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I got to his office and he has literally,
Speaker 3: when I tell you, he's got like if someone ever
Speaker 3: broke in there, I'm God blessed.
Speaker 1: Don't don't let that happen.
Speaker 2: He's got people's feet.
Speaker 1: That you wouldn't even imagine. Like I was looking at
Speaker 1: him all and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like we're talking like I mean, it's like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Ray Lewis and this guy and a golfer and
Speaker 3: an NBA player and I'm not going to name it,
Speaker 3: but it's like okay, and it was like it was
Speaker 3: like I'm literally hundreds hundreds of feet molds.
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan would have loved it. Yeah, he would have
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 6: Bro, you make him sound like the Walter White of
Speaker 6: orthotics cooking up.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he was. He literally would roll up
Speaker 1: in a motor home and he'd be cooking up these
Speaker 1: guy damn orthotics in the back.
Speaker 3: Well we were how many of us were hooked on that?
Speaker 3: Like we didn't want to We don't want to get
Speaker 3: them from anybody else.
Speaker 1: Oh you couldn't. I still don't. Yeah, I me. I
Speaker 1: still get them not making as much. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: just stay in the Rebuk sixteen people on here we
Speaker 1: got This is a segment Josh, when we go back
Speaker 1: into time around January tenth, twenty fifteen. We talk about
Speaker 1: pop culture. We talk about pop culture. Remember one movie
Speaker 1: was taking three of yours. I mean, if you have.
Speaker 2: As good as taking one, but I mean no, But.
Speaker 1: I think all these movies are pretty much they're just taking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I watch them all and I love them. I'm
Speaker 1: entertained every time.
Speaker 2: He uses that that voice when he talks, I'm going
Speaker 2: to give you an option.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. It's like a low voice and it's
Speaker 1: like you just feel like you're going to let my
Speaker 1: doughta go. That's right where I'm going to come and
Speaker 1: find you very specific set of skills, exactly, that's right.
Speaker 1: The number one song All about the Bass by Megan Trainer.
Speaker 1: Daughter likes that song. It's all lot about that your
Speaker 1: daughter does. Yeah, it's crazy. It's I know my daughters
Speaker 1: liked it back then. It's it started. You know, we
Speaker 1: just hit on the kid bop version, my boy, so
Speaker 1: we don't we don't have to hit it. Hear anything
Speaker 1: about booties and stuff, that's right, you know. Around this time,
Speaker 1: David Letterman says goodbye after thirty three years night of
Speaker 1: the Late Night Show that he was he was a
Speaker 1: stud I never I don't. I didn't realize it was
Speaker 1: this late. I thought it was more like early two thousands,
Speaker 1: because when you were going on Late Show, it was
Speaker 1: already Colbert, right, we went Colbert and then Allen Fallen.
Speaker 2: So you didn't go on till literally after this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after this year, after this year. Wow, he was great.
Speaker 1: He was left Shark sweeps the Internet after Katie pe
Speaker 1: one of those things like this. See you're kind of
Speaker 1: like trying to do your old David either Day David
Speaker 1: Letterman thing. I mean, you watch you got to watch
Speaker 1: all the great look at them Our's third David Letterman.
Speaker 1: There you go. W N Some great movies that came
Speaker 1: out this year. American Sniper, The Hobbit, Battle of Five Armies, Interstellar,
Speaker 1: all in theaters. I didn't see The Hobbit or the
Speaker 1: I didn't see that American Sniper. Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1: It was badass. That was a good movie.
Speaker 8: He made so many pump up videos for you using
Speaker 8: the Interstellar soundtrack.
Speaker 7: You love that right around this time.
Speaker 2: So these guys when he was playing, Yeah, these were guys.
Speaker 7: We were around for a while. I've been around too long.
Speaker 1: He needed he needed you to be making pump up videos.
Speaker 1: I think I was making these these yes, highlight films.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you.
Speaker 2: I thought you would race out of the building after
Speaker 2: treatment and go home and like make a highlight video
Speaker 2: of yourself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely to Interstellar, Interstellar. Have you heard Hans Zimmer. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be in LA next week or New York. I
Speaker 1: want to go see him. He's a great soundtrack guy,
Speaker 1: is he? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Would would you see any of the content that he
Speaker 8: would be putting out, like when he was playing.
Speaker 1: No good good nothing, no nothing never, not even growing
Speaker 1: pets on what on what?
Speaker 2: The only thing I saw, The only thing I saw
Speaker 2: that you did was that you and Dola were the
Speaker 2: police officers.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I did see that. Yeah, what did
Speaker 1: you see? You know, you see them all, and you
Speaker 1: see them all. You got kids come up.
Speaker 2: To be like My kids probably saw more than I did. Actually,
Speaker 2: my kids there were I was leaving and they were like,
Speaker 2: where are you going. I said, I'm going to Julian's
Speaker 2: and they're like for what. I'm like, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to do his podcast.
Speaker 9: Like what are you really? Oh yeah, they're all excited.
Speaker 9: They probably have seen that. Little McNuggets, Little McNuggets. What's
Speaker 9: life like for Josh McDaniels in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: During this time, I had four and I so my
Speaker 3: littlest one just turned two, and then I had a
Speaker 3: two of four, an eight, and a ten. So I
Speaker 3: was in it, it in it, you know, and so,
Speaker 3: and all of them are in grade school or not
Speaker 3: yet in school. So those are good times. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know when you had one but I mean like
Speaker 3: those are cool times. There's not as much drama. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, they're not into problems. They you know, have
Speaker 3: minor issues.
Speaker 1: Being a coach is tough man, you know, like having
Speaker 1: to deal with those problems and then having to deal
Speaker 1: with you know, the team.
Speaker 3: Took two of mine to the Super Bowl this year,
Speaker 3: and that was the last time I did that, last
Speaker 3: time that I took two. Why because the other two
Speaker 3: were two and four? Yeah, So I'm like I I
Speaker 3: you know, and then they all started going. You pay
Speaker 3: three thousand dollars for them to watch like, you know, Mowana,
Speaker 3: you know four times, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: it's the most expensive movie you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 3: So when we went to when we went to Houston
Speaker 3: to play Atlanta, the night, you know, the night after
Speaker 3: you win the championship game is so like you're having
Speaker 3: all these conversations, right who you to get the tickets
Speaker 3: to and who's coming and all that. And we were
Speaker 3: sitting on the couch and I was like, what do
Speaker 3: you want to do the girls? I'm like, just let's
Speaker 3: just bring them all whatever. And so like we have
Speaker 3: we have pictures like there, they have their iPads right,
Speaker 3: thank god they were allowed to bring them in, you know,
Speaker 3: and then headsets and they're just watching the games going on,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, you know, but at
Speaker 3: least after the game you have those memories, you know.
Speaker 1: Those are great memories. Yeah, man, you seen all the
Speaker 1: media Butterfly now Bill on TV lately. I've seen them
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen like I mean, I saw him on
Speaker 3: the draftee some of the draft with McAfee. I haven't
Speaker 3: seen the recent McAfee's have been doing some other stuff,
Speaker 3: but I mean I know he's doing a few things right.
Speaker 8: Inside the NFL, inside the NF podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, McAfee, McAfee. So the first second week in September,
Speaker 1: it will be a big week.
Speaker 7: You know, yeah everywhere.
Speaker 1: Two hardest fucking people, the two hardest people to get
Speaker 1: on my goddamn podcast, Bill fucking a check guy that
Speaker 1: I took a lot of pigs, nice nice pig days
Speaker 1: for right, nice paydays. And then Tom. I knew you're
Speaker 1: gonna say, I can imagine Tom. Yeah, it was so tough.
Speaker 1: But you know they'll go do McAfee show. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Coincidentally, you see them, but they're the guys, you see
Speaker 6: the most every every stinking podcast. He's getting a haircut
Speaker 6: on a podcast.
Speaker 1: Tom, I mean, what are we doing? What do we
Speaker 1: need to do? What?
Speaker 2: What does your podcast need to do?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: We might need your help.
Speaker 1: We might we might need you to text me. That's
Speaker 1: what I was asking you. You know, like you know
Speaker 1: I haven't you haven't you.
Speaker 3: Have a board, like a board of trustees for this show,
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 1: Board Ernie, Ernie is our guy.
Speaker 6: I like he remember the crew at this point.
Speaker 1: What's what's your craziest Ernie story, Ernie?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's that's a long there's some there's
Speaker 3: a long list of us. Well, the when he took
Speaker 3: the header before we played Atlanta, Like he took the header,
Speaker 3: and the best was when he came back out and
Speaker 3: he was bandaged like like a war like a.
Speaker 2: Hero, and it was like we're still in practice. Remember
Speaker 2: when he came back out, all the players started like
Speaker 2: clapping for him, the slow clap for I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: I remember he was bleeding.
Speaker 3: So then that night, you know, we practiced on it
Speaker 3: and then every night we had a staff meeting, right
Speaker 3: we go to the staff meeting.
Speaker 2: Ern still got the bandage. He's still bandaged up. Like
Speaker 2: it was like it was like a mass unit, the
Speaker 2: same frestage. I don't know, I'm not going to comment
Speaker 2: on that. I didn't change it, but I know this,
Speaker 2: he still had the bandage, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I would have got out of the bandage and
Speaker 3: maybe put like you know, like like I don't know
Speaker 3: what I would have put on, but it was, yeah,
Speaker 3: like a hat or something.
Speaker 2: But he was like, no, I'm gonna keep wearing the banded.
Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta gotta you gotta coach Hurt. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta coach Hurt.
Speaker 3: And is funny because you know, in a I have
Speaker 3: a couple, Ernie. So when we were in the pre
Speaker 3: the night before the Super Bowl in eleven, so we're
Speaker 3: in the meeting, the staff meeting. This is the final
Speaker 3: staff meeting prior to game day.
Speaker 1: This is evening. You guys are curfew supper last up. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a phone that rings.
Speaker 3: Bill started to talk already, right, and that's when he's
Speaker 3: like making like he's basically like, this is the last
Speaker 3: thing we're going to talk about, right, and the phone rings,
Speaker 3: and I'm like you know, at that point, you're just
Speaker 3: hoping it in yours, right, And I always had mine
Speaker 3: off anyway, So I'm like, Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2: And then I look over to the left and it's
Speaker 2: Ernie's and he answers it like Bill's literally like where
Speaker 2: you're at, and I'm where Ernie is and he he
Speaker 2: he like looks down, he grabs it, looks at the phone,
Speaker 2: then he flips it up and he started talking, and
Speaker 2: I think it was Christine and he's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, tells her like basically.
Speaker 1: He's in a meeting and I'll call her back.
Speaker 3: And I'm going like, I'm like, there's only one person
Speaker 3: in that staff meeting that could have done that and
Speaker 3: not gotten like the death stare. And it was Ernie,
Speaker 3: because if I'd have done that, Bill would have looked.
Speaker 1: At me and wanted to just kill me. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But it literally he hung the phone up and I'm going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and Bill just kept going, just kept
Speaker 1: going out. Then he put it.
Speaker 3: He hated the whole like, you know, like the Nike
Speaker 3: you know, you know he loved this read these rebox shoes.
Speaker 1: Good good brand. Yeah, he loved these rebox shoes.
Speaker 3: So when the league came out and made us wear Nike,
Speaker 3: he just put tape over the Reebok logo on game
Speaker 3: day and or his old rebacks for like fifteen years
Speaker 3: or whatever whenever we went to Nike.
Speaker 2: I don't remember when that was.
Speaker 1: He's superstitious on the on the low because he wore
Speaker 1: the same shit all the time, all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. Let's go back.
Speaker 8: Well before we do that, what we're talking, Ernie, I'd
Speaker 8: love to know two things from you. What was the
Speaker 8: best nugget Ernie ever gave you? And what was the
Speaker 8: worst nugget he ever gave you.
Speaker 3: There won't be any worst nuggets, honestly, because he never
Speaker 3: really he shared stuff with me, like he had video
Speaker 3: and things from Montana like doing drill work, and he
Speaker 3: really he was he had so much knowledge about almost everything,
Speaker 3: you know, and so he really footwear, quarterback, play situations, adjustments.
Speaker 1: He was just he always helped, always helped.
Speaker 3: It wasn't always like like fifteen things, but there was like.
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me, there hasn't been one Ernie
Speaker 1: Card where you're sitting there, Ernie Card, Oh, well, that's
Speaker 1: not a nugget.
Speaker 3: If you're talking about Ernie cards, that's a whole different story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was, does anybody do the viewers your car?
Speaker 1: So Ernie would, he would, he would do all the
Speaker 1: defensive cards right.
Speaker 3: On Thursdays and it started on Fridays, That's when it started.
Speaker 3: So it was like Bill would say, I got the
Speaker 3: cards on Thursday night in the staff meeting, which meant
Speaker 3: Ernie had them because Bill wasn't gonna draw him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he had other things to do, and so
Speaker 3: Ernie's Ernie's So Ernie would.
Speaker 1: Draw the cards.
Speaker 3: And it was like so we you know, as an offense,
Speaker 3: we didn't know what was coming. Kind of more preparing,
Speaker 3: you like to get ready for the game. Mike get
Speaker 3: a blitz heer, Mike get coverage, Mike get something else,
Speaker 3: who knows, and he he would always take it off
Speaker 3: of like something they did. But there was times where like,
Speaker 3: you know, as an offensive coordinator, you're like, we've had
Speaker 3: a pretty good week so far, and like the last
Speaker 3: thing you're looking for is like an absolute disaster on
Speaker 3: Friday's practice, right, Yeah, No, they weren't. Fast Fridays in
Speaker 3: New England were Championship Friday Championship May Championship Friday, and
Speaker 3: so we would go. We would like, you know, we
Speaker 3: would he would hand us the cards and I would
Speaker 3: just ask one of the QC's like, do we have
Speaker 3: any grenades in there?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because they would like flip through it and he'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a few, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, man, what are we doing the defense?
Speaker 2: And Tom, you know, Tom hated it.
Speaker 1: Oh, he'd be like, that's not they don't.
Speaker 3: Do that, you know what I mean, just like legitimately,
Speaker 3: like get angry about it.
Speaker 1: And I would be like, just let it, got it right,
Speaker 1: let it go. I mean, we we get a play
Speaker 1: call from when the defensive coordinator did it back at
Speaker 1: UOP in nineteen eighty two when he was a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Quality control guy ran a blitz zero in this one
Speaker 1: like the one time it was ever called in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. But that guy was associated with it.
Speaker 1: So we did it back. Do you have like a
Speaker 1: marketing deal with these guys? Yeah? Clean, clean, clean, little
Speaker 1: little electrolates in there to get keep that that water
Speaker 1: in your muscle. Look at you, pH levels just have
Speaker 1: less muscles. Now I'm older, I'm almost fifty. No, you're not.
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight.
Speaker 2: You look good, you're good man, I'm almost fifty.
Speaker 1: Like Richard Green.
Speaker 3: My little girl the other day, she looks she she
Speaker 3: heard me say that because somebody had asked me how
Speaker 3: old it was, and she stopped for a minute and
Speaker 3: she's like, you mean to tell me in twenty two years,
Speaker 3: you're going to be seventy.
Speaker 2: And I was like when she said that, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's that's not that far away. Twenty two is.
Speaker 1: Not like that's a long long time.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean that, like like she
Speaker 3: went right to the seventy marker on me. I'm going like,
Speaker 3: can I get to fifty?
Speaker 6: First? Seventy birds?
Speaker 1: How old are you now? Thirty eight?
Speaker 6: You got a little grays in there, I'm Gray's heck,
Speaker 6: look at you distinguished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to be like you guys like Richard
Speaker 1: g Richard Greer, baby, you know, George cleaning, Richard gear, Richard.
Speaker 2: Whatever is there, it's your gear.
Speaker 1: There we go. We'll be right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Sports World. In twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, we were the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ. Yeah, baby MVP was Aaron Rodgers always
Speaker 1: had those MVPs National he had won ring fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: National champions were Ohio State Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Oregon Ducks, Baby, Oregon Ducks. Where's he
Speaker 1: at now? Washington, Washington, someone's been waiting watching. He didn't
Speaker 1: play last week. Nowhere, he didn't play last night. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's back. That's that's the best job in football, being
Speaker 1: a known backup guy.
Speaker 2: So you gotta play until you gotta play.
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John's Molds and Craig Bigio all
Speaker 1: inducted the Hall of Fity year. That's a year. That's
Speaker 1: a crew. American Pharaoh became the twelfth horse and the
Speaker 1: first since nineteen seventy eight to win the Triple Crown.
Speaker 1: That was that long ago. That's crazy. We were at
Speaker 1: that race and the Derby. That's not the last new
Speaker 1: pictures of you at that race. I remember. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people have pictures of us at that race.
Speaker 1: I definitely do.
Speaker 2: Were you there, No, never been because it was usually
Speaker 2: right around the draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's almost always on the coaching staff. Were kind
Speaker 6: of horse race guys. So I was wondering, it's always
Speaker 6: on draft weekend. It's hard for us to know. We
Speaker 6: don't even know who's playing.
Speaker 1: Who's on what? What's on? Second? Now, the US.
Speaker 2: International team is this Brandy?
Speaker 1: Is this one? Brandy? No? This is for That was
Speaker 1: in like two thousand.
Speaker 7: That was like two I was like, did an episode
Speaker 7: with her? Awesome?
Speaker 1: That was awesome. But this is when we defeated Japan
Speaker 1: five to two to win the World Cup. Didn't we
Speaker 1: lose the year before or the year after let me
Speaker 1: double check or the year after? This was like the
Speaker 1: redeem ref talk. Ron Witter and Scott Green retired prior
Speaker 1: to this season. Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite? I
Speaker 1: like Gene Jean? Yeah, that was your favorite? That was
Speaker 1: my favorite? You don't like Jeene? I do?
Speaker 2: I really like Jane Jeans. Jean Jean's great. Geane had
Speaker 2: a kid that went to Kent John Perry, Perry.
Speaker 1: He was cool.
Speaker 3: I really like Van I thought he just doesn't he
Speaker 3: just does such a good job of like the game
Speaker 3: just keeps going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you. I don't like What's Who's the guy?
Speaker 1: Scott Novac just looks like a principal. He just looks
Speaker 1: like he might be. He probably is. Range judge I
Speaker 1: have they all have jobs. Not a hocolaue guy either,
Speaker 1: not a hockey guy. Yeah. He got too loud, with
Speaker 1: too much, with it too much. I like talk under
Speaker 1: the hanging off of him. Can if you looking like
Speaker 1: a linebacker, barely get his false smart? Can we get
Speaker 1: some pliability in those arms? Suit? Come on, Hydra, he's
Speaker 1: just like above Cleete Blakeman. Come on, bro a buff Lakeman.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I love deeper that.
Speaker 1: You laughed at his joke. He's a he's a McDaniel's head.
Speaker 6: I'm a stand brod.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna. He's gonna when you leave after this,
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys heard laugh my joke? All right?
Speaker 1: What teams? Uh? What teams know? How did you grow
Speaker 1: up liking? You're from Camdon You're talking about like pro
Speaker 1: and college? Who did you?
Speaker 2: When I was a young I mean, it was hard
Speaker 2: not to like. It was hard not to support.
Speaker 3: Ohio State and the Browns because of where I grew up.
Speaker 3: But my favorite college football team back then was the
Speaker 3: Florida State Seminoles.
Speaker 1: Seminals loved, loved Charlie Ward. He was the quarterback.
Speaker 3: Casey Weldon was before him, and then Charlie Warre and
Speaker 3: I just I rooted for Bobby Bowden to eventually get
Speaker 3: over the hump and beat Miami and win a national championship,
Speaker 3: and they did eventually.
Speaker 1: But that was my favorite college football team.
Speaker 8: You get some Snoop Menace talk on this spot, some
Speaker 8: what Snoop Menace?
Speaker 7: Who's a national championship game? When they beat Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: No, that's what that was. After that, that was with
Speaker 1: Peter Warwick. Okay, that was the one.
Speaker 2: The one in ninety four, I think it was when
Speaker 2: they won and they had Kes McCorvey and Tomorrow Vanover
Speaker 2: and Kevin Knox and those guys were playing.
Speaker 1: They were a beast in football. The football game n
Speaker 1: CUAA ninety four are good victocy That year I forgot
Speaker 1: about that was that Mark rickt was yes year.
Speaker 2: Before he went to Georgia. Yeah, that was my favorite team.
Speaker 3: And then, honestly, I don't know why I had like
Speaker 3: kind of like an affinity for the Lions. That was
Speaker 3: back when Eric Kramer and they actually did some decent things.
Speaker 1: Back there with Barry.
Speaker 3: Barry was hard not to like when you got to
Speaker 3: see Barry on TV, like that was like musty TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry Sanders, Yeah he was. He was unreal. That's
Speaker 1: who every kid wanted to be just.
Speaker 3: Watching him play with such his running style was so
Speaker 3: different than everybody else, I mean, and his legs were
Speaker 3: just so massive, and he the way he cut on
Speaker 3: astro turf was like illegal.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and he just he too liked the physics. Literally
Speaker 10: he walked away from the game. He was still healthy
Speaker 10: and he could have played. And I watched the thing
Speaker 10: on him. He seems like a great dad and stuff.
Speaker 10: You know him and his relationship with his dad was
Speaker 10: always a little weird. It wasn't weird, Like he loved
Speaker 10: his dad, but his dad was always kind of tough
Speaker 10: on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like always said that he was the third best
Speaker 1: running back of all time behind Jim Brown and him,
Speaker 1: and then he he would do publicly, he would say
Speaker 1: she had the third best running back of all time
Speaker 1: behind Jim Brown and me. Jim. Now you you coached
Speaker 1: at Michigan State. You got just for one year? For
Speaker 1: one year? Was sabing? Was that part of ready? Right
Speaker 1: after I graduated from Carol And so did did you
Speaker 1: think Nick gave you a recommendation of.
Speaker 2: Bill, Sure, I don't, I mean, I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Brian, So, Brian was a second year GA. I was
Speaker 3: a first year GA. So he was a year older
Speaker 3: than me, Brian dab dable. So when I got there,
Speaker 3: Brian was already in his second year and so I
Speaker 3: was in my first year.
Speaker 1: So that was a huge experience.
Speaker 3: For me because coming to New England with Bill after
Speaker 3: being with Nick, it didn't seem like such a like
Speaker 3: a oh my gosh, yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because I'd already like, all right, I know what this
Speaker 3: is like.
Speaker 1: You know, after having been with Nick. What are the
Speaker 1: similarities and differences Nick is?
Speaker 3: Nick is not afraid to really detail it out, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like there would be like a
Speaker 3: cover one tip sheet for the DB's that was like
Speaker 3: this thick that's just cover. That's one defense, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like, holy cow, you know, if
Speaker 3: you do this, do this, you know got that, you know.
Speaker 3: And he believed in.
Speaker 1: Preparation, preparation, preparation. It was relentless in that regard.
Speaker 3: Bill was very much the same, but less like he
Speaker 3: would try to simplify. I thought, you know, as much
Speaker 3: as he could, you know, and we might play cover one,
Speaker 3: but he's not going to overwhelm you with you know,
Speaker 3: too much detail. But I mean, honestly, there's their personalities
Speaker 3: are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you
Speaker 3: see in the media, and as you know, it's not
Speaker 3: like that, you know. So it was fun, It was
Speaker 3: really It was great for me to have a chance
Speaker 3: to be with Nick before going to.
Speaker 1: Bill baptize you into it, no doubt. You know, we
Speaker 1: all forget Anakin was the Jedi first. Okay, he was
Speaker 1: a Jedi. There you go, Jackie. Let's break down these Ravens.
Speaker 1: Give us a rundown.
Speaker 6: Let's get into these.
Speaker 1: Ravens, get into the game. Okay, this was the year.
Speaker 6: The Ravens went ten and six. Is in the Hardbar era,
Speaker 6: of course, Gary Kubiak's loan season as OC in Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then on staff, oh yeah. And then on the
Speaker 6: other side of the ball, we have mister Blitz zero himself,
Speaker 6: Dean ps Dean p.
Speaker 1: That fucking Dan Pan Peece. You remember what Randy Moshi
Speaker 1: said yell at Deep Pries all the time. What do
Speaker 1: you used to say? He dps Blitz fucking zero loasting
Speaker 1: goddamn ring my goodness, oh man, man, was it plexico? Yes, bro,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've still got PTSD from that as
Speaker 1: a fan.
Speaker 7: Geez.
Speaker 6: And now we're talking Nick Say, and we're talking Bama
Speaker 6: CJ Mosley's rookie year. He was a beast, Elvis Duomerville,
Speaker 6: Terrell Suggs, Sackville twenty nine sacks that year. We're in
Speaker 6: the post ray Lewis post ed, Reid Era. Those guys
Speaker 6: left in twenty twelve, we're in twenty fourteen. Here they
Speaker 6: were the sixteen and the AFC going into the playoffs.
Speaker 6: And this was a banner year for Joe Flacco, I mean,
Speaker 6: absolutely turned it up, best year of his career through
Speaker 6: for twenty seven touchdowns, almost four thousand yards, just bawling out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, backed up by Tyrod. This is a good team.
Speaker 6: Heck of a team, bro, Steve Smith.
Speaker 3: Really good team, really tough, really well coached, and they
Speaker 3: had a lot of info on us, like we had,
Speaker 3: you know, played enough and it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: twenty twelve AC Championship Game, twenty thirteen, we went there
Speaker 3: and played them twenty fourteen, you know.
Speaker 1: And dating back to my rookie year, yeah. Nine.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like rivalry people this is this was a rivalry are
Speaker 1: a good eight years, no doubt. We you know, it
Speaker 1: was like us, it was our out of division rival
Speaker 1: It usually bounced from them to the Colts, then went
Speaker 1: to Denver. Yeah, but they had a huge chunk of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just you knew it was going
Speaker 3: to be a challenge to beat him.
Speaker 1: It's a great organization.
Speaker 3: They're really well coached, you know, and they were stable,
Speaker 3: you know, like it wasn't like things were fluctuating all
Speaker 3: the time, like who's the coach. You know, we played
Speaker 3: against the Jets and the Bills, and it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, every every few years, it felt like you're
Speaker 3: getting you know, used to like, all right, this is
Speaker 3: the new coach. He hired these two new coordinators, so
Speaker 3: the system's going from this to something else. And it
Speaker 3: was like for these guys, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: consistency and stability, and so they were able to accumulate
Speaker 3: a lot of knowledge on us. We had basically the
Speaker 3: same situation, you know, you know, going into to playing them,
Speaker 3: and so I just felt like familiarity breeds contempt a
Speaker 3: little bit, and so we had played so many games
Speaker 3: against them, and it was like, Okay, here we go again.
Speaker 3: Like Sugs. I could still hear Suggs on the field,
Speaker 3: like when we would when we would say a code word.
Speaker 3: You know, Suggs was one of him and Lewis and
Speaker 3: Reid obviously were incredible, but they were also incredibly intelligent
Speaker 3: and so like yeah, and so like you're yelling a
Speaker 3: word and then he's going, it's going on, It's going
Speaker 3: over there, It's going there, and I'm like, gosh, dang,
Speaker 3: like we got to switch everything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it's like it's such a pain in the butt
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with that.
Speaker 1: But they were tough.
Speaker 3: They were physical, as you know, we prided ourselves on
Speaker 3: being the same way, and you know, so we played
Speaker 3: a similar.
Speaker 1: Style of football, if you will.
Speaker 3: Both wanted to be good in the kicking game. You know,
Speaker 3: both took a lot of pride and a lot of
Speaker 3: scrimmage turnovers.
Speaker 1: It was all those things.
Speaker 3: So it was almost like you're playing, you know, a
Speaker 3: close relative, you know, And even though they weren't in
Speaker 3: our division, we played them a lot, so it felt
Speaker 3: like they were and you know, they always talked about
Speaker 3: how they weren't they didn't fear us and all that.
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't know why anybody would
Speaker 3: fear playing somebody else, But like they talked about it
Speaker 3: a lot, and and you know so and they got.
Speaker 1: Us a couple of times. Yeah, I know this game
Speaker 1: isn't it didn't have ray or ed, But can you
Speaker 1: can you talk to the listener about having to try
Speaker 1: to prepare against those two guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm sure like when you talk about a
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator trying to get ready for Manning or Brady,
Speaker 3: you know, those guys that were really intelligent and could
Speaker 3: play the game in their mind too. That's what that
Speaker 3: felt like when you were getting ready to play. Read
Speaker 3: Lewis Suggs to me, there's not that many teams that
Speaker 3: I've coached against where I would say that there was
Speaker 3: the volume of players that they had at one time
Speaker 3: that were as instrumental in terms of knowing what was coming,
Speaker 3: seeing the formation, overplaying tendencies, being able to adjust, getting.
Speaker 1: Their team mates in the right position.
Speaker 3: It was really hard to you know, because as a coach,
Speaker 3: you want to prepare your team as best you can.
Speaker 1: You also want to try.
Speaker 2: To scheme some success.
Speaker 3: So it's not like make you know, good luck jewels,
Speaker 3: you know, get out there and get them on every play. Like,
Speaker 3: there's definitely places where it's like, all right, jewels, you're
Speaker 3: gonna got to come through here, and you came through
Speaker 3: you know a ton. It's just you want to try
Speaker 3: to help your players as much as you can by
Speaker 3: giving them something that's like, Okay, this is gonna work,
Speaker 3: and it's it's gonna not trick the defense, but there's
Speaker 3: gonna be an element, a little foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a little you.
Speaker 2: Know, a little you know where it's simpler to have
Speaker 2: some success.
Speaker 3: And it was hard against them. It just wasn't That
Speaker 3: was not simple. Yeah, it wasn't simple.
Speaker 1: I just remember anytime we'd play ed Reed or bray Lewis,
Speaker 1: Bill would show like a twenty play cut up on
Speaker 1: just both of those. There'd be a thirty minute team presentation,
Speaker 1: like to start the day of just a highlight of
Speaker 1: these two. This guy will fucking blow you up, like
Speaker 1: just that kind of shit. Yeah, oh, cover three, that's
Speaker 1: what you thought, And like Edward agreed to be in
Speaker 1: the second, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: His favorite thing to say to us was that they
Speaker 3: don't need to play with safety defense because they just
Speaker 3: played post safety and Ed covers both sides of the field.
Speaker 2: And it may and it like got in your head
Speaker 2: as like I'm like, you know, as a coach, you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: like can we throw it back there?
Speaker 1: Or no? Ever? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I remember Tom, like we'd have conversations and it
Speaker 3: was always part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: But that that's that's a tribute to the greatness of
Speaker 2: the player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when you're looking at him going he can
Speaker 3: cover everything back there and you're thinking about that, that
Speaker 3: makes you question whether or not you know, you can
Speaker 3: do something. Oh yeah, Bill loved ed Reid, didn't he
Speaker 3: like just loved it, loved him.
Speaker 6: Where does he rank on the all time Mount Rushmore
Speaker 6: of like guys that weren't Patriots that Bill loved high
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I always that.
Speaker 2: Weren't patriots that he didn't coach. There's a caveat there.
Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor would be there is no Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: There's Lawrence and then then there's the Mountain.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's Ed Reed is he's on.
Speaker 2: He's in, He's in the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 6: Is there anybody else in there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean ed was Edward was such like Troy.
Speaker 3: They were different players. Edred was a completely different player
Speaker 3: than Troy. You know, we ended well, hell we ended
Speaker 3: up with a lot of the guys that he loved
Speaker 3: Rodney Junior, Like it was like if we loved him enough,
Speaker 3: we would try to get him like Randy.
Speaker 2: But like I'm just saying, like there was some show.
Speaker 1: There's a love show.
Speaker 7: All the miked up clips with them talking ship to
Speaker 7: each other pregame, it's, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's something.
Speaker 3: But that's that's what happened. That, Like you know, like
Speaker 3: you you you like them enough.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I never made those kind of I
Speaker 1: like these two guys like you're dating.
Speaker 10: It's like you're dating, like you know, you.
Speaker 1: Chilling right now? Okay, chilling, we're chilling chilling on that. Now.
Speaker 1: What's the breakdown of this defense? What do you remember
Speaker 1: from this game? Planned? Deps? Dean? Was you played coach?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he coached against us a long time, so
Speaker 3: or with us a long time.
Speaker 1: So he knew.
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of gets too much, gets
Speaker 3: overblown about that kind of stuff. But he obviously knew
Speaker 3: some of the things we did, so that was hard
Speaker 3: to like really get them on that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: The element of surprise is usually out with just your
Speaker 1: fundamental stuff. Yeah, it's just tough, you know, because they've
Speaker 1: seen it so much.
Speaker 3: This was probably the most physical and physically tough team
Speaker 3: we would play. You know, now we played C at
Speaker 3: the end and they were very similar. But up to
Speaker 3: this point this was as tough physically of a football
Speaker 3: team on defense that we'd played, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like.
Speaker 2: The most skilled, like you know, super speedy that it
Speaker 2: wasn't about quickness and that was not them.
Speaker 3: This was about hitting you in the face. And they
Speaker 3: didn't let you run the ball. They crushed the pocket.
Speaker 3: Crushed the pocket if you head onto the ball. Hellodia
Speaker 3: was young, Nada was on the team. They had I
Speaker 3: mean na A Jern again. I remember Jern again hit
Speaker 3: Tommy the one time and almost I mean he knocked him,
Speaker 3: he knocked his wind out of him. But but then
Speaker 3: it was like they had all those big guys like
Speaker 3: Dumerville who played mostly in sub and Suggs who played
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: But then it was like they.
Speaker 3: Had that that multitude of guys like Upshaw, McClellan, McPhee
Speaker 3: that were bigger, like they didn't even belong in the
Speaker 3: category of linebacker, you know, it was like a defensive end,
Speaker 3: you know. And so they would put them all out
Speaker 3: there in passing situations and then it was like if
Speaker 3: they didn't get an edge quick, it was just power.
Speaker 2: And they just brought everybody to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: And so we knew we couldn't hold the ball along
Speaker 3: running it was going to be difficult. And they were
Speaker 3: the best red zone defense we had played all season
Speaker 3: to that point by far. And so I remember on
Speaker 3: Tuesday of this week, Bill had a conversation with me,
Speaker 3: and these were always tricky conversations and it wasn't the
Speaker 3: only time we had it, but he said, I don't
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how much time we want
Speaker 3: to spend messing around in the running game.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He's like, I just don't you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: we're going to win the game that way. That's not
Speaker 3: where our strength lies, that's not where our advantage is.
Speaker 2: And so he was willing, you know, whenever he always
Speaker 2: said something.
Speaker 3: Like that to me, always say like, okay, well tell me,
Speaker 3: what what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like, do you not want me to put any runs in?
Speaker 1: Like ever?
Speaker 3: No, well, no, I'm not saying that, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: but I mean, like I don't think I want to
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time running the ball, you know.
Speaker 3: So then then I then he'd like leave and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I still don't know. I still know like what I'm
Speaker 3: doing here, you know. But then but but I'll say this,
Speaker 3: like this is one of the unspoken things did. I
Speaker 3: think our players did an incredible job of and they
Speaker 3: did it because I think Bill taught him how to
Speaker 3: do it. Was in a bit as big a game
Speaker 3: as this was, we're going to say we're not doing this,
Speaker 3: and you could you could get your feelings hurt if
Speaker 3: you were like an offensive lineman or the full back
Speaker 3: or a half back. You're like, wait a minute, Like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean We're not going to run the ball.
Speaker 3: We're not even gonna try, you know, and why because
Speaker 3: our advantage was in the passing game, and that's the
Speaker 3: way we felt best about winning.
Speaker 1: Like it'd be like the Celtics.
Speaker 3: The Celtics are one of the best three point shooting
Speaker 3: teams in NBA history, right, well, they're not going to
Speaker 3: just pound the ball in the paint all day and
Speaker 3: hope that they can win inside, you know, against the
Speaker 3: Nuggets or whoever they play, you know, they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: gonna do what they do and beat you with skill
Speaker 3: and speed and shooting and all. And that's basically what
Speaker 3: he was saying was, look, we can try it.
Speaker 2: And we had a couple a couple.
Speaker 3: I think we only ran seven times, you know, and
Speaker 3: that was literally just to kind of like give me
Speaker 3: a playoff to think about the next pass. Honestly, that's
Speaker 3: about what it was, because it was like we did
Speaker 3: not go into it thinking we were gonna run thirty
Speaker 3: six runs.
Speaker 1: We weren't.
Speaker 3: We were only going to run a couple here and
Speaker 3: there and then throw it the rest of the game.
Speaker 3: But you guys were able to hear that, and we
Speaker 3: would try to say it in the right way so
Speaker 3: where like guys would go, Okay, I understand while we're
Speaker 3: doing this, let's buy into what we're doing and be
Speaker 3: really good at that, and let's go win the game well.
Speaker 1: With without a doubt. And you know, that's something that
Speaker 1: was on the wall when you'd walk in mental toughness
Speaker 1: doing what's best for the team when it isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: best for you. That was something that we all knew
Speaker 1: going into every game that we were a game plan offense.
Speaker 1: So there were times where we didn't run the ball,
Speaker 1: or where I had to run a bunch of go
Speaker 1: routes and clear out routes and all these routes and
Speaker 1: very few times all these routes, you know, right, all
Speaker 1: these you know, those kind of routes, but you know
Speaker 1: it was all for a reason, because we were a
Speaker 1: game plan offense. To get back to it, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's very different than a team that does what they do.
Speaker 1: There's like that. It's like teams that are game plan
Speaker 1: teams that are complete, they throw the game plan out
Speaker 1: every every post game and then it's all brand new.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we tried to do. And then
Speaker 1: there was teams that did what they did. You know,
Speaker 1: Steelers on defense, they run the same cover fucking four
Speaker 1: for the last twenty years. You know, So like it's
Speaker 1: one of those things. But that's tough, and that takes
Speaker 1: a lot of trust for coaching staff in the players
Speaker 1: right that can handle that, you know, and we just
Speaker 1: so happened to always That's what the types of teams
Speaker 1: we had, guys that you know, understood that it.
Speaker 3: Was tough to go in there and tell like Dante, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, because you're having this conversation
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, well here we go, Like now
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm gonna go I'm about to go in
Speaker 3: there and tell the offensive line coach he's like one
Speaker 3: of the best offensive line coaches in the history of
Speaker 3: pro football, that we are not going to run the
Speaker 3: ball in this game, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: you've got to try to finesse it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's kind of like telling your wife you
Speaker 3: want to go on like an extended golf trip, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, Hey, I would like to
Speaker 3: go to Ireland with who, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then you're like and then it's like how long
Speaker 3: and you're kind of like you're tread and water really,
Speaker 3: you know. I remember going to talk to Dante about
Speaker 3: it and he was like ever, and I'm like no.
Speaker 2: So I looked at my.
Speaker 1: Call sheet the other just just today.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, we had we had runs in and
Speaker 3: we ran a few, we just didn't run a lot.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But the intention was to basically win with skill in
Speaker 3: the passing game. Yeah, that was what they end to
Speaker 3: to slow down the rush by getting the ball out.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 3: We didn't think we're we don't want to stand there
Speaker 3: and hold it forever because it wasn't. That was not
Speaker 3: going to be the That never worked for anybody that
Speaker 3: year against.
Speaker 1: Baltimore, without a doubt. You got any good Scarnikios stories,
Speaker 1: funny ones. Coach Scar was, he's a legend. He's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, I have I have a great Scarnaki story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so Dante Dante. Every Friday when we would finish practice, right,
Speaker 3: that was our day as coaches like that, we got
Speaker 3: out before like you know, it was close to midnight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we would like we would get in there, we
Speaker 3: would grab our little fast our with the fat Friday food, right,
Speaker 3: and we'd come in and we would like sit down
Speaker 3: and as soon as the tape was loaded up, we
Speaker 3: were supposed to run through the film and then we
Speaker 3: hand the corrections like that we said we needed to
Speaker 3: make the next day when we watched it with you
Speaker 3: guys on Saturday, we would hand that the bill before
Speaker 3: we would leave we didn't have a staff meeting, so
Speaker 3: it was like so the coaches were like, get your
Speaker 3: food and get in there, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get out of here, right. So Scar would
Speaker 3: always he would lay on the ground. We would have
Speaker 3: the table here and we'd be watching the screen. He
Speaker 3: would lay over here on the ground on his back, right,
Speaker 3: and Dante was like, you know, by the end of
Speaker 3: the week, we're all wiped out, right. So Dante would
Speaker 3: be over here and he would intermittently do sit ups,
Speaker 3: and then when he wasn't doing sit ups, he was asleep.
Speaker 3: And so like we would be watching a play and
Speaker 3: be like, you know, we'd miss a te or something,
Speaker 3: and always let the coaches like you guys say what
Speaker 3: the correction is, you know, and some the g the
Speaker 3: QC would be writing it down, and so we like
Speaker 3: and I have the clicker.
Speaker 2: We watched it and missed the t. Nobby said anything,
Speaker 2: rewind it? That be said anything, And I look over there,
Speaker 2: Dante's just like just cast on the ground, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then and then I go just put, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: handle the te on the right side.
Speaker 2: And then he'd go, yeah, handle the T and then
Speaker 2: he would start doing sit ups again until until he
Speaker 2: would you know, and then he would just when he
Speaker 2: when he laid the head back down, he was going again,
Speaker 2: and then he would do sit ups.
Speaker 1: That's what that. That was his routine. Scar. Scar would
Speaker 1: be the first one in the building first off, because
Speaker 1: I remember when I first got.
Speaker 2: I made the coffee. I would be the I remember
Speaker 2: I was. I was determined to be the first one
Speaker 2: in the building once like before four. Yeah, you had
Speaker 2: to get there at four.
Speaker 1: I got there at four, like to beat him one
Speaker 1: time my rookie year. I was like, this is way
Speaker 1: too early. But he would get in this swim X
Speaker 1: and he would he would swim like like an Olympian
Speaker 1: in the swim X for like thirty minutes. Like he
Speaker 1: had a crazy routine. He was very fit and that's
Speaker 1: why he would. He's probably like eighty now, No, he's
Speaker 1: in his mid seventies. He looks great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have breakfast, he and Ivan and I have
Speaker 3: breakfast every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was coaching Ives is great.
Speaker 3: Ives was great. Ives is lost a little weight, He's
Speaker 3: doing great. So he's like got this emeritus status. I
Speaker 3: don't understand, like I keep asking like, how did you
Speaker 3: get that? Well, I know how he got it, But
Speaker 3: he like goes to the facilities. I'm like, he eats breakfast,
Speaker 3: then he'll like get a workout in, then I'll go
Speaker 3: to practice, then I'll come in and eat lunch, and
Speaker 3: then they'll take off.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's my country, great day, It's
Speaker 1: Country cub ives. I mean, I've seen him there a
Speaker 1: few every time I visit. I'm like, so, I thought
Speaker 1: you were retired five years ago. He did?
Speaker 2: He did instead of he's not going to Lifetime Fitness.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely not. No, that's free, that's right, that's right
Speaker 1: for the soul. That's so dope. Jack, Let's break down
Speaker 1: the pass.
Speaker 6: Hey yeah, let's get in these pats AFC champs for
Speaker 6: the sixth straight year. This was a twelve and fourteen
Speaker 6: for the third trade year, Bill's fifteenth year in New England.
Speaker 6: Pretty crazy, josh Oc of course, Maddy p d C.
Speaker 6: This was Jimmy G's rookie year. We lost some talent
Speaker 6: in the offseason, lost to Keith Leeb, lost Brandon Spikes,
Speaker 6: lost Logan Mankins, but replaced sort of not really replaced,
Speaker 6: but brought in Darryl Reeves, Brandon Browner, Brandon Lafel, junk
Speaker 6: back re signed Jules Big.
Speaker 2: Signing not bad, not bad. Remember when you were out.
Speaker 1: There moonlighting and free agency? Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: I was in San Francisco some of the most sleepless
Speaker 2: nights of my career.
Speaker 3: I just you know, I was like Bill, I was like,
Speaker 3: you can't let this guy go. Oh we're just starting.
Speaker 1: Well, he's at the Giants. You know, did you go
Speaker 1: to the Niners?
Speaker 2: Did you go to the Niners and the Giants that went.
Speaker 1: Giants might and then Niners. So Niners offered me more
Speaker 1: money than I signed for.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the cost of living out there is exorbitant.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Fine cheese out there.
Speaker 6: You and Harball in there talking numbers.
Speaker 1: Me, Harball, we're talking numbers when he was fighting.
Speaker 2: Harball was fighting with the gm like they're like, it's
Speaker 2: publicly no remember that with the Niners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's over here asking me how much you want?
Speaker 1: You know, I won't get it, Dime.
Speaker 2: You were like the only team in pro football that
Speaker 2: like built their offense around you.
Speaker 1: I know That's what I Yeah. Yeah, But you know
Speaker 1: when I first when Josh first gets in there.
Speaker 3: I remember when you came and talk to me after
Speaker 3: the thirteen after the twelve season. Do you remember that, No,
Speaker 3: was it twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1: When I broke my foot? No, thirteen was your first?
Speaker 1: Good year? Was thirteen?
Speaker 3: They're like numbers wise. Yeah, And you remember you you
Speaker 3: came and talk to me at the end of the year.
Speaker 3: This is before free agency, and you said, you said,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know. I thought I was going
Speaker 3: to be a Billy Oh guy. And I'm like, I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: you don't have to be one or the other, like
Speaker 3: I said, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I will.
Speaker 3: We'll make this fun. And we did and it was great.
Speaker 3: But I remember you were nervous, like about being a
Speaker 3: billy Oh guy. I'm like, BILLYO is one of my
Speaker 3: best friends. Like you can be both be both guys.
Speaker 1: We're different. I Alwa's yell at Josh. You know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Billy Oh drafted me, but you you know
Speaker 1: he don't want to get him My opportunity bro.
Speaker 3: Earned his opportunity catches and to break them back, someone
Speaker 3: had to murder someone and someone had tears some groans
Speaker 3: for that to happen.
Speaker 11: But we're here back may. Still we're still in the
Speaker 11: back may. I didn't say that earned the back may.
Speaker 11: Josh brought in Dola, he brings it. He brought in
Speaker 11: I remember.
Speaker 1: The first year he sat back, Josh, the first year
Speaker 1: he come back, there was like we brought in Dante.
Speaker 1: We brought in what his name, Anthony Dante Stalwart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we brought in Jabbar. We were bringing in all the
Speaker 1: old guys. I'm sitting here. That's why I didn't. I
Speaker 1: really didn't like Josh at first. I'm like, this guy's
Speaker 1: already trying to replace me. I thought I was going
Speaker 1: to be you know, then all the all the old
Speaker 1: guys come in. Let's just being a young football player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't really know. Learn, you learn, you learn. Now,
Speaker 1: what's the relationship with the coaching staff developing with Belichick?
Speaker 1: You know, what's that? How was that that room? You
Speaker 1: guys are all cool? It was it all like he's
Speaker 1: the principal. You guys are all the teachers, Like what
Speaker 1: what was the dynamic of that? You know, like just
Speaker 1: the coaching room, the locker.
Speaker 2: Room, you mean, like the meeting room, like where we
Speaker 2: had our staff beings and all that.
Speaker 1: Just that community. You guys's community. Like there's the player community,
Speaker 1: there's the medical community. The coaches are our own community.
Speaker 3: It was you know, it was very very organized, and
Speaker 3: we always knew kind of like, you know, what was
Speaker 3: coming next. You know, our schedule was no different than
Speaker 3: yours in terms of like when we had to be
Speaker 3: wear next and all the rest of it. I thought
Speaker 3: he did a tremendous job of he We understood what
Speaker 3: was going on at each step of the year as
Speaker 3: it went as as well as I'm sure any other
Speaker 3: staff does, because he included us so like when it
Speaker 3: was free agency, or when we were preparing for the draft,
Speaker 3: or when there was a contract issue with somebody, or
Speaker 3: you know, he didn't just like we just didn't like
Speaker 3: have to read it on the internet, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. He included us in there, and he and
Speaker 3: I thought that was helpful because it was helping coaches
Speaker 3: that we didn't know any of the stuff we were
Speaker 3: getting prepared for, you know, young coaches getting prepared to
Speaker 3: take a step forward and all that because we were
Speaker 3: learning the calendar year, we were learning all the things
Speaker 3: that happened. We're learning some of the things the ways
Speaker 3: that that the those things.
Speaker 1: Got resolved, which was great. I thought our.
Speaker 3: Staff meeting room was very comfortable. Like people think of
Speaker 3: him as like this real, like, you know, hard to
Speaker 3: be yourself around kind of guy. And it was like
Speaker 3: almost the opposite for us, Like we go in the
Speaker 3: staff meeting and you just you're you if you know,
Speaker 3: Pepper would have a big cup of meat, like he'd
Speaker 3: have like steak and chicken instead of be eaten then
Speaker 3: you know, other Dante would be doing sit ups and
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like you could kind of
Speaker 3: be yourself.
Speaker 1: And Bill, Bill was a Bill was.
Speaker 3: An assistant for a long time, yea, so he understood,
Speaker 3: like we're not all going to be the same. And
Speaker 3: what he did such a tremendous job of was.
Speaker 1: He asked for.
Speaker 3: Input and he and he'd say, hey, let's go over
Speaker 3: where we're at on the roster, you know, after the
Speaker 3: first two weeks of training camp, okay, And so we
Speaker 3: would meet as an offensive staff and we would go
Speaker 3: through the players and say, hey, you know, Julian's having
Speaker 3: a great camp. He's in good shape, you know, healthy,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. You know, here's the plan
Speaker 3: going forward with every player. Yeah, with everybody and then
Speaker 3: we would present it to him.
Speaker 2: He was the best listener. That's what the magic for
Speaker 2: him was. He really, he really.
Speaker 3: Because he gave away the responsibility to do that, and
Speaker 3: then when he when we came together, that's when he listened,
Speaker 3: and he was so intent on gathering what you had
Speaker 3: that he didn't have.
Speaker 1: He didn't know.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in the receiver room, he wasn't with us
Speaker 3: in our walkthroughs or anything like that, so he didn't
Speaker 3: really have that intimate knowledge. And then he would just
Speaker 3: take it in and try to help himself make good decisions.
Speaker 1: And that's what you know. It baffles me on this
Speaker 1: whole narrative that everyone has on Coach Belichick that he
Speaker 1: was he's not inclusive or or you know, like it's
Speaker 1: just what everyone thinks. Oh, he's so old school, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't listen to other people. It's his way. Well,
Speaker 1: like he was honestly, he was a guy that would
Speaker 1: take information from anyone. Yeah, I remember he would come
Speaker 1: up to me and during the middle game, what are
Speaker 1: you seeing? And if you gave him the right information,
Speaker 1: he keep coming back to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you remember, he would tell us, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: come ask you. Just don't make up a store.
Speaker 1: Just don't make up a story, because if you do
Speaker 1: that once then he'll never come back to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't make up a store.
Speaker 3: But he was gonna rely on the players because you're
Speaker 3: out there on the field, you see it better than
Speaker 3: we do, Like all we can see is a picture.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's crazy that he there's this narrative
Speaker 1: ever since, you know, he hasn't been the head coach
Speaker 1: where you know, like, oh he you know, it's his
Speaker 1: way or the highway. Like anytime you hear any sport
Speaker 1: talk people talking about it, they're like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't listening to nobody. He does it all this. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy to me. How long did it
Speaker 1: take for you to gain his trust though?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean my first few years I was
Speaker 3: on defense. You know, from from O one toh three.
Speaker 3: I was the lowest guy in the totem pole for.
Speaker 1: Sure, which was common. He would always cross coach, flip
Speaker 1: them the coaches, which is genius. Keeps great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we uh, you know, my first I realized my
Speaker 3: first year his thing was you're gonna do work at
Speaker 3: the standard that we expect and the reason he expected
Speaker 3: it was because we're not gonna be able to win
Speaker 3: championships unless we all produce work at this level. And
Speaker 3: so I was doing the pads when I was younger,
Speaker 3: which you had to draw the whole game and then
Speaker 3: input it all accurately, and if you made any airs
Speaker 3: at all, like he would hand the pad back to
Speaker 3: you when it was done.
Speaker 1: When you handed it to him, that was just the beginning.
Speaker 1: Then it would come back to you.
Speaker 3: And like my first one came back to me and
Speaker 3: there was like seventy yellow sticky notes, little ones with
Speaker 3: like this guy was on the numbers. He wasn't plus two,
Speaker 3: you know, or this he was a three technique. You
Speaker 3: had him as a two I or whatever. And he
Speaker 3: was basically telling me with.
Speaker 1: That, like we see it all.
Speaker 2: This is how we do work here.
Speaker 3: And so I learned that, and then by the end
Speaker 3: of my first year, I was much I was much closer.
Speaker 1: To what he wanted.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I was able to work with
Speaker 3: Rack and Mangini, you know, those guys on defense and Bill
Speaker 3: for three years.
Speaker 1: It's the nmorder around here. That's oh all right, Eric,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 3: And then and and rob Ryan and Pepper and those guys.
Speaker 3: That was a good defensive staff, and Bill was in
Speaker 3: there a lot, so I was able to see that.
Speaker 3: And then we had a great team. So I learned
Speaker 3: a lot from guys like Lawyer and Bruskie and Rabel
Speaker 3: and McGuinness and being able to see the way they
Speaker 3: received the information was great too. And then I'd say,
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the three Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: he met with me the next day and he asked
Speaker 3: me if I would be ready to make the flip
Speaker 3: and go coach the quarterbacks, you know four And so
Speaker 3: I hope at some point after during that year one
Speaker 3: that I kind of earned his trust in terms of
Speaker 3: the way I would work and what what my standard
Speaker 3: personally was going to be. And and then it just
Speaker 3: kind of carried from there.
Speaker 1: A lot of yellow stickies, a lot of yells at
Speaker 1: first at first. Then it changed. Everyone's mistake makes make mistake,
Speaker 1: the good ones learned from it.
Speaker 3: Snailing is the best part of the process, if you'll
Speaker 3: learn from it, If you learn from it, that's right.
Speaker 1: Is that a bit of like a make it movement?
Speaker 8: When Bill asked you to switch onto the offensive side,
Speaker 8: that I feel.
Speaker 2: Like that or I think there was a I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think you've ever really made it. I think
Speaker 2: it was a.
Speaker 1: I felt very proud of having the opportunity that he
Speaker 1: was about to give me, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: That didn't That doesn't amount to anything until you go
Speaker 3: do the job, you know. So I was excited about it,
Speaker 3: and uh, I was happy that he would think enough
Speaker 3: of me to give me a chance to do it.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of work to be done
Speaker 1: after that. How many times you sleep at the facility?
Speaker 1: Never is there who I go home? I go home
Speaker 1: with the guys that were notorious. Maddy Pee was there.
Speaker 1: There was people that did.
Speaker 3: But I just even if I was going to go
Speaker 3: home for four hours, I was going home. I was
Speaker 3: gonna I walked into each one of my kids's rooms
Speaker 3: every night and just did the right thing as a dad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know what I mean, sleep my own bed,
Speaker 3: you know, and make sure that I saw him. You know,
Speaker 3: at some point that's what you gotta do. I mean,
Speaker 3: some people do it the other way. I just feel
Speaker 3: like there's something to be said about that.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, Jackie, let's get into the game. Set the stage, all.
Speaker 6: Right, Patriots entered this thing number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 6: As we talked about, Ravens enter number six, came off
Speaker 6: a win in hines Field, beat the number three Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: Steelers thirty to seventeen in the wild card round. So
Speaker 6: we gotta buy the Patriots. We that is gotta buy
Speaker 6: coming into this week?
Speaker 1: Was that crazy? Didn't Flacco hit a deep sideline pass
Speaker 1: to the Jacobi guy? No? That was that was in twelve.
Speaker 6: Yes, Okay, now I remember that one. Patriots clinched in
Speaker 6: week fifteen of this season. They're six AFCAST title and
Speaker 6: leading up to this when it was a cold day
Speaker 6: baby twenty degrees, but it was like eight.
Speaker 1: What the feels like at kickoff?
Speaker 6: So uh, in another one of these these great Ravens
Speaker 6: Patriots battles like we talked about.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to the listener, like how we took
Speaker 1: these these bye weeks? Yeah, it was going into the playoffs, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: We were Look, we were fortunate that we had more
Speaker 3: than one. Yeah, like some teams, you know, you do
Speaker 3: everything you can to get one, and that's great and
Speaker 3: you make the most of it. I think people always
Speaker 3: assimilate the bye week with well we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 3: rest up and get healthy.
Speaker 1: And that's true.
Speaker 3: But I think we always thought of the bye week as, Okay,
Speaker 3: how what can we do during the bye week to
Speaker 3: make sure that we're going to have give ourselves a
Speaker 3: chance to have some advantage depending on who we play. Yes,
Speaker 3: and Bill was great, you know, for years he had
Speaker 3: always told us this was like I would say, after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 3: he would he'd always talk to us about listen, you know,
Speaker 3: if we can find anything that is unscouted that we
Speaker 3: can work on for these next four or five weeks
Speaker 3: that might give us an advantage in January, let's start
Speaker 3: doing it. And so we would practice, you know, we
Speaker 3: would practice things, gadget stuff, et cetera. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: some tempo things, low red zone, whatever that we weren't
Speaker 3: necessarily going to run on December tenth or December seventeenth.
Speaker 3: We were getting them ready, and then during the bye
Speaker 3: week we would really apply those to the opponent we
Speaker 3: were going to play or had a chance to play,
Speaker 3: you know, because we didn't know who it was going
Speaker 3: to be. But he he was really good at that,
Speaker 3: and so we always took time to try to do that.
Speaker 3: We didn't just like hey, guys, make sure you get
Speaker 3: treatment and get some red. It was it was always
Speaker 3: a purposeful bye week. You know, hey, we're not doing
Speaker 3: this as well as we need to be doing it.
Speaker 3: So like we're gonna do a blitz drill, you know,
Speaker 3: and make sure that we're good on our protections on
Speaker 3: third down. We're going to do a cover one period,
Speaker 3: you know, because we know we're gonna have to beat
Speaker 3: man coverage in the playoffs. Or we're going to do
Speaker 3: a third and goal period in the red zone because
Speaker 3: we know those plays are going to be huge factors
Speaker 3: in winning and losing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And and for us.
Speaker 3: We always had a period where it was like, is
Speaker 3: there any gadgets or a little different plays we could run.
Speaker 1: Gadget speen trick plays, Yeah, that might.
Speaker 3: Be able to give us, you know, just an advantage
Speaker 3: of big play, some momentum something.
Speaker 1: What about this formation breakdown? Remember when I think who
Speaker 1: brought we were talking about Baltimore Rave Baltimore. So this was
Speaker 1: this was during this was.
Speaker 3: During the bye week, and he brought it up and
Speaker 3: we saw it in Alabama game. So Alabama scored I
Speaker 3: believe it is against LSU they did something very similar
Speaker 3: where the tight end lined up as the tackle, they
Speaker 3: took a linement out and they somebody reported ineligible.
Speaker 1: So we were like, that's a pretty good idea, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think the execution of the whole, like the
Speaker 3: lineman coming out of the game, like the lining up
Speaker 3: in the formation and not acting like we did like
Speaker 3: we just robbed a bank, was important, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, we did and like so we that's where
Speaker 3: we chose who was going to do it. And so Veren,
Speaker 3: who love Shane Vereen to this day, you know, is
Speaker 3: like he's the like you're gonna report ineligible, you have
Speaker 3: to go to the official. I remember having the conversation
Speaker 3: and you have to tell him this, I am reporting ineligible.
Speaker 3: I'm an ineligible player, you know. And I remember Vinovich
Speaker 3: was like okay, and I think his you know, his
Speaker 3: wheels were turning. I don't remember if Bill told him
Speaker 3: before the game or not. But then when Shane went
Speaker 3: to do it, he did it. But they lined up
Speaker 3: to us like we were in a normal formation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there we got three I think we got three
Speaker 3: plays and the big thing was Bill made Bill made
Speaker 3: the call on that hold it until the second half.
Speaker 2: Hold it to the second half. He didn't want them
Speaker 2: talking about it at halftime. Oh so he wanted, he wanted,
Speaker 2: and we did this off and on anyway, like we
Speaker 2: would hold something just so you couldn't have a twelve
Speaker 2: minute meeting and say, look, if this comes up again, here's.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: You have to do it on the sideline, and you know,
Speaker 3: scrambling on the scrambling on the sidelines a little different
Speaker 3: than doing it at and the white board at halftime.
Speaker 8: What situation do you have to be in to like
Speaker 8: kind of apply these gadget plays like down by fourteen?
Speaker 1: Like what's the kind of like.
Speaker 3: No, I think I think honestly as a as a
Speaker 3: oach when you're calling it. I think, honestly, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, it's kind of like.
Speaker 1: A feel thing, you know.
Speaker 3: For me, I always kind of did it in two
Speaker 3: different ways, one of two different ways.
Speaker 1: Either we have some momentum and I'm going for the
Speaker 1: cherry on top of the.
Speaker 2: Sunday, or we need to create momentum or we or
Speaker 2: we don't have any momentum and I need it back quick.
Speaker 3: Like it was one of the other you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you remember in the AOFC Championship game
Speaker 3: against Kansas City, how many times did we call the
Speaker 3: flea flicker to get it? What we We killed it
Speaker 3: like four times in the game and finally got it
Speaker 3: in overtime and we he threw it away because it
Speaker 3: was covered decent, but I was like, I'm trying, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get it again and again and again, and
Speaker 3: we didn't ever really got it until we got the overtime.
Speaker 3: So I think it's just one of those things where
Speaker 3: you kind of got to feel one or the other.
Speaker 3: Either you're going for the jugular or you need you
Speaker 3: need to save your yourself, or yeah, you need to
Speaker 3: say an extra life. That's right, get that mushroom like
Speaker 3: in Mario, that's right.
Speaker 6: And you had to provide a little context here to
Speaker 6: what Josh mentioned and broke down with Baltimore and Raven.
Speaker 6: It was a November twenty fourteen game Bama LSU helped Bama.
Speaker 6: Bama pulled it out in overtime. Lane drew it up
Speaker 6: in ot Blake Sims to Brandon Green for twenty four yards,
Speaker 6: got him down to the one. Yep, And that's what
Speaker 6: the women game pulled out O T was pretty crazy.
Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin designed that. Huh do you think Lane designed that?
Speaker 1: Was it with Lane?
Speaker 6: It was with Lane?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Lane was there in fourteen.
Speaker 6: Yep, Lane called it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't surprise me. Lane's a good coach. Lane.
Speaker 1: He always finds me that ship. Another great visor, maan,
Speaker 1: another great ri advisor. I love.
Speaker 2: He's a advisory. Group chat huh, group chat advisor?
Speaker 1: Coach, we're gonnadvisor. This do you have to wear your
Speaker 1: advisor to do the group chat? Oh? The group chat
Speaker 1: without being on that's the group chat.
Speaker 2: You know how many of those I have in my office?
Speaker 1: Probably a bit.
Speaker 2: And there's different years because they change.
Speaker 1: They changed, and you get like the he'd have like
Speaker 1: the military advisor, or like breast cancer.
Speaker 3: I like the I wore the breast cancer like I
Speaker 3: didn't like the other peaks.
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Because Bill would drop the visor every once in a
Speaker 1: while in a Miami game. You ever give him a
Speaker 1: look like coach, No, that's my thing. No, I just
Speaker 1: know because maybe you know your daughter up you know,
Speaker 1: in the stands, be like nobody. No, already wore the
Speaker 1: white with the white, so I was good.
Speaker 3: Thereby he doesn't have the white sleeves, So that's all right,
Speaker 3: you're not You're not there.
Speaker 2: He's not stealing me, not swagger jacking.
Speaker 6: But did the did the hoodie sleeves ever get like
Speaker 6: O D blown out when you push him up?
Speaker 1: Or no? They bounced back.
Speaker 6: They bounce back because.
Speaker 3: I always wore like it was like a you know,
Speaker 3: like a tighter Every once in a while you'd have
Speaker 3: to cut like the little edge just so it wasn't like,
Speaker 3: you know, like like you know, when you're done with
Speaker 3: the game, like your veins are ready to you want
Speaker 3: take an iv.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I would always keep my tape on
Speaker 1: from IVY because it makes me look way more rainier.
Speaker 1: I won't be looking tight. Look, guys, I took a shot. No,
Speaker 1: it was because you lose your circulation, then your veins
Speaker 1: could get even crazier.
Speaker 6: Should we should we get into this game?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 6: Back back to this cold, cold day in Foxborough where
Speaker 6: the feels like is eight at kickoff this fe and
Speaker 6: back to our boy Bill Denovich is roughing this thing.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: The Ravens come into Foxborough. Start out hot flackout, completes
Speaker 6: his first eight passes, gets two on the board, quick
Speaker 6: kamar Ake and Steve Smith. Smith beats Darrell Reeves for
Speaker 6: the first time like ever in that matchup that dates
Speaker 6: back to Jets against Panthers, Bucks against Panthers. Revis had
Speaker 6: his number man, but Steve got him for a couple
Speaker 6: and got him for a TD there.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: Then the Pats get back on there with a Brady
Speaker 6: Rushing touchdown cuts it to seven. Then a dol It
Speaker 6: t ties it back up, erased the first fourteen point deficit.
Speaker 6: Then before the half, Tom throws a brutal pick which
Speaker 6: leads to an Owen Daniel's TD.
Speaker 2: Jack said, brutal, brutal, Sorry, he said that.
Speaker 3: He said it was a brutal pick. You didn't say
Speaker 3: it was a brutal pick, And I didn't say. I
Speaker 3: didn't say it was a brutal pick at all. I
Speaker 3: just that it was an interception. He said it was
Speaker 3: a brutal pick. Tom, if you're watching, Jack said, this.
Speaker 1: Situationally, this kind of brutal.
Speaker 7: I mean when I see over the middle, you know.
Speaker 2: The you know, the interesting part about that was, and
Speaker 2: this is probably as bad of a circumstance.
Speaker 1: That we had.
Speaker 3: I bet you that you and I can remember we
Speaker 3: had run four plays and we were down fourteen zero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have the ball.
Speaker 3: Well, they scored and then we got the ball back.
Speaker 3: We got a first down, then we went first, second,
Speaker 3: third down, punted it. Then they scored again. So it
Speaker 3: was like fourteen nothing. And I remember the feeling in
Speaker 3: the stadium, you know, because they start you could start
Speaker 3: to feel the panic. Oh yeah, a little bit, and
Speaker 3: they're like you could hear those little murmurs like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get blown out here.
Speaker 1: We had that in the back of our mind because
Speaker 1: they blew our the brakes off us. And know nine,
Speaker 1: my rookie year.
Speaker 3: Was fourteen to nothing and we had run four plays
Speaker 3: and I was I remember, I remember going we got
Speaker 3: a score on this drive.
Speaker 1: You probably thought to yourself, thank god, we don't have
Speaker 1: to run the ball on this.
Speaker 2: One where it says Brandon Bolden was our leading rusher
Speaker 2: for three carries seven yards.
Speaker 1: Now, can you explain to the listener when you're down
Speaker 1: fourteen points in a in a must win game, a winner,
Speaker 1: go home game, what do you do as a play caller?
Speaker 1: Are you throwing that script completely out? Are you going
Speaker 1: back to fundamental plays that you know that we know
Speaker 1: how to work. What was the mindset when we go
Speaker 1: down fourteen the first I'm not even the second time,
Speaker 1: and then you know, transitioning after when we got it
Speaker 1: to the second time.
Speaker 3: I think the first time when you're first of all,
Speaker 3: we have to have poise if we're going to ask
Speaker 3: you to have poise. So I mean, I can't lose
Speaker 3: my mind on the sideline and then tell you guys
Speaker 3: to be calm on the field. So I think for
Speaker 3: me in those types of situations, it's stick.
Speaker 1: With what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: We don't even have enough evidence to make a change, Like,
Speaker 3: we've run four plays, so should I switch the game plan?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't, we haven't done anything.
Speaker 3: So to me, it's we don't have enough evidence for
Speaker 3: me to make a decision like that. So it's basically, hey,
Speaker 3: calm down, let's just try to get one on the
Speaker 3: board and keep playing. We got a long way to go,
Speaker 3: which we did, and then you know, you make it
Speaker 3: fourteen to seven. We got a little confidence now we
Speaker 3: know we can drive the ball on them, and then
Speaker 3: you know, eventually we tie it up at fourteen. But
Speaker 3: I I've always felt like The biggest tug of war
Speaker 3: you go through as the play caller.
Speaker 2: In a elimination game is doing something.
Speaker 3: That's not in your comfort zone, like you wanna, like
Speaker 3: you want to hurry up and get fourteen points on
Speaker 3: the board, Like there's no I don't have any calls
Speaker 3: on the call sheet, So I'm not gonna go to
Speaker 3: my my chunk passes and shot playlist and call like
Speaker 3: four of them in a row and hope that they
Speaker 3: all work. Like you can't you start playing the game
Speaker 3: like that, The next thing you know, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: sacked or strip sacked, or throw an interception or turn
Speaker 3: the ball over. And now it's like being in quicksand
Speaker 3: when you're an elimination game, the more you struggle, the
Speaker 3: quicker you go down, you know. And so to me,
Speaker 3: that took me a little while to learn that. You know, like,
Speaker 3: take a deep breath and stay with it. You guys
Speaker 3: are good enough on the field. You're gonna make plays.
Speaker 3: Let's just call the things that are.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: If there was an adjustment that we felt like we
Speaker 3: had to make, then you make it.
Speaker 2: But we didn't have enough evidence right there.
Speaker 3: But I think you got to try to, you know,
Speaker 3: you got to try to sow your breathing down, honestly
Speaker 3: and just go to the next series and see if
Speaker 3: we can strain together some good plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly what we had to do. And I
Speaker 1: always remember, I always remember you saying in all our
Speaker 1: comeback from behind victories that you you know, we can't
Speaker 1: win it all one play. No, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: get the points in one place. So if we all
Speaker 1: collectively do our job one play at a time, that's
Speaker 1: when we're going to give ourselves the best opportunity to
Speaker 1: go out and win. That's right, you know. And and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we did. Now, what are the
Speaker 1: halftime adjustments going in after this? So you know you
Speaker 1: had in the back pocket, we had our formations, we
Speaker 1: had Raven, and we talked about them.
Speaker 3: I remember remember that on the board, like, hey, all right,
Speaker 3: we held these purposefully, Baltimore Raven. Is there any questions
Speaker 3: on what we're gonna do with the operation?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: I think I even put up there like just be
Speaker 3: ready on the double pass, you know.
Speaker 2: And then we talked about a couple.
Speaker 3: Other things because they were playing a little bit more
Speaker 3: man to man coverage than we thought they would, and
Speaker 3: you know, so I felt like there wasn't a lot
Speaker 3: of adjusting to what they were doing because I think
Speaker 3: we were dictating it because we were throwing.
Speaker 2: We were just throwing. That's what we were doing, you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like it was you know, like
Speaker 3: a crazy big like, hey, let's swing this, other than
Speaker 3: we knew we were going to spring something on them
Speaker 3: that we hadn't done yet.
Speaker 1: That was the big thing.
Speaker 3: The two drives that really put us in the second
Speaker 3: hole was when we got the ball back in the
Speaker 3: second quarter with a minute forty something left and it
Speaker 3: was tied, and we didn't do what we always try
Speaker 3: to do, which is take the last shot and score something,
Speaker 3: and then we go three and out to start the
Speaker 3: third quarter. It was like the game could have been
Speaker 3: completely different in our favor, and yet we didn't take
Speaker 3: advantage of the opportunities with this possessions, you know, And
Speaker 3: and so now we end up, you know, falling behind
Speaker 3: by another fourteen, by another fourteen that justin forceet TV
Speaker 3: from Flack after a three and out to start the
Speaker 3: third but get back get back into it with the
Speaker 3: gronk TD cuts it to twenty eight twenty one then
Speaker 3: with four to twenty left in the third, after we
Speaker 3: scored that touchdown, I remember, that's that's when you came
Speaker 3: up to me, I did. I said, do you need
Speaker 3: any lead time for the double pass? And you and
Speaker 3: you said what? And I said, do I have to
Speaker 3: tell you that it's coming? Meaning like you need to take.
Speaker 2: Your red gloves off or whatever you know exact.
Speaker 1: You're cutters or whatever.
Speaker 3: They are, Like, what do you do? Do I need
Speaker 3: to tell you that this is coming? Like fuck, five
Speaker 3: minutes in advance? You're like, no, no, no, yeah, yeah's
Speaker 3: what you said. Just throw it, just call it whenever
Speaker 3: you want. I'm like, okay, you know, so we so
Speaker 3: we did. Yeah, that was the first touchdown, was the
Speaker 3: one we actually did the Raven Baltimore formation the first time.
Speaker 3: First time, we're down by fourteen, and then when we
Speaker 3: scored one, that's when we went.
Speaker 1: With the double pass. A double pass. Speaking of double pass,
Speaker 1: which we had actually called earlier in the season against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Against the Chiefs, right, just didn't we just didn't throw
Speaker 2: it over there? We called it and you know it
Speaker 2: was Dola gonna throw it, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Was it you or Dola? I don't remember. I watched
Speaker 1: this morning. It was gonna be you, Okayna.
Speaker 2: But Dola was like saying coverage, like we couldn't do it.
Speaker 7: Was trying to call you off when you were.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, can we go into the second time I
Speaker 1: threw the football.
Speaker 6: Twenty nineteen in Philly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that. It was a great story,
Speaker 2: Juice's story.
Speaker 8: Jesus told his side, your side, my memories really fucked up.
Speaker 1: The night before the game. This is the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we well this wasn't the same play.
Speaker 3: No, it's a different play. Throw it here, throw it
Speaker 3: back and set up the catch and run. And in
Speaker 3: the what we we always did like a little ballroom,
Speaker 3: which always felt like you guys loved that.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 3: To reiterate, it was almost like a very comforting feeling
Speaker 3: when you walked out of there, like we all we
Speaker 3: all got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all got it. And it was loose and
Speaker 1: and so. But it wasn't always loose depending on like
Speaker 1: the games. Sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff.
Speaker 3: I no, but that was that was But but I
Speaker 3: don't think we ever went in there like it wasn't
Speaker 3: like a big like, it wasn't like a big like
Speaker 3: teaching session at all.
Speaker 1: It was I would I would call the play, you
Speaker 1: guys would get on.
Speaker 2: You would do it and walk through it, and that
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 1: But if you had like a new player coming in
Speaker 1: that had a big role, that was different, you know,
Speaker 1: like if he was nervous and we were all kind
Speaker 1: of watching them too as well.
Speaker 2: And Julian Julian, well, I'll tell him to tell two
Speaker 2: stories quickly. The when he came back in two thousand
Speaker 2: eighteen eighteen eighteen, So the walkthrough because we played on
Speaker 2: a Thursday night so we didn't have practice.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any practice that week because it's just
Speaker 1: walk throughs. Well had no he does.
Speaker 3: He does the hotel like walk through and he's soaked
Speaker 3: because he's like running routes in the ball like but
Speaker 3: nobody else. And Tom always had like a little lacrosseball
Speaker 3: and he would bounce it to you to like show you.
Speaker 2: And Julian is literally like you could see everything, like
Speaker 2: he was just drenched, and I remember the other guys
Speaker 2: were like looking at him, like what is going on
Speaker 2: with this guy? I'm like, yeah, he's a little he's
Speaker 2: he's obsessive compulsive. Right now, I think he needs to
Speaker 2: play a game.
Speaker 3: I dot up a wheel for you in the first possession.
Speaker 3: He so anyway, the Philly So, the Philly game was
Speaker 3: the second throw that night in the hotel.
Speaker 1: The night before the game, we go walk through it.
Speaker 1: Tom dribbled bounces the ball to Julian. Julian gets the
Speaker 1: ball and.
Speaker 2: Then he looks, he looks and throws it to Phil
Speaker 2: Bill just wandering up the field trying to get at
Speaker 2: the defense to come this way, and Philly catches it.
Speaker 2: And I look at him and I'm like, you can
Speaker 2: do that, just throw the ball over, throw the ball,
Speaker 2: and I think we actually did it again, just so
Speaker 2: he so he.
Speaker 7: Would like do it right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then we get in the game and he gets
Speaker 2: the ball and he looks down the field and Philly's open,
Speaker 2: and then he lets it go and I'm just like
Speaker 2: and then he caught it, and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that's coaches where you're just like,
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a play.
Speaker 1: Figures, if I would have flipp my hipsky was in
Speaker 1: my face, I would have got you got you did
Speaker 1: get I got drilled. He got drilled, drilled, I come
Speaker 1: running off. When I come running off.
Speaker 2: You're fucking dangerous, Yure, you are dangerous.
Speaker 1: You're dangerous.
Speaker 3: But that was all I remember because you were the
Speaker 3: only one that threw a touchdown past that game.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I remember like like and then he
Speaker 1: would come in the next day and he would put ice.
Speaker 2: He would have his shoulder wrapped in ice in the
Speaker 2: and he would sit in the front, you know by
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, I gotta you know, I always come
Speaker 2: in like the last person to come in to wait.
Speaker 1: He would just be like, I'm like, coach, you got
Speaker 1: the door. Don't worry, you got that. I say that
Speaker 1: the tradeing used to have called the ice fed in
Speaker 1: front of everyone.
Speaker 6: Looking like you just threw a complete game shutout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning.
Speaker 6: Oh my, I will say that pass your dangerous Maverick
Speaker 6: moment in Philly put jewels at five of six, one
Speaker 6: hundred and forty one yards and two tds as a passer.
Speaker 1: There you go. This is reading. Had to be exceptional.
Speaker 6: That had to be amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We had the the one in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: to Dion Oh man, he was close to it. He
Speaker 1: almost made that he almost made that catch. That was it.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have thrown it. That was nuts. What you
Speaker 1: mean was he open?
Speaker 2: You know, he got him.
Speaker 1: It was like, just buy him.
Speaker 3: The guy did a good job of peeling on it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the rest of the defense was over there.
Speaker 1: That game was a.
Speaker 7: Blur point three.
Speaker 1: That's perfect.
Speaker 2: That's perfect.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. Someone say that's pretty good, bro. Someone say,
Speaker 1: let's get back at the game.
Speaker 6: All right, So we uh were moving here into the
Speaker 6: third quarter, we talked the Gronk TV cuts it back
Speaker 6: to twenty eight twenty one.
Speaker 1: Four to twenty left in the fourth is the double.
Speaker 6: Pass moment in the third? In the third in the third,
Speaker 6: in the third, four to twenty Oh, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, guy, just get a baby. He made
Speaker 1: me watch the game again. I got this in my hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not just in there. You know, everyone talks about you know,
Speaker 1: these offensive geniuses, they always have this. They could just
Speaker 1: they know the place.
Speaker 6: And then later after that game's tied back up twenty eight,
Speaker 6: twenty eight, Flacco throws a pick, his first pick in
Speaker 6: a long time in the playoffs. Yep, Devin and couldn't
Speaker 6: capitalize on that bough punt give him back the ball
Speaker 6: field goal. Down thirty one to twenty eight at this point,
Speaker 6: then in the fourth get the ball with ten minutes left,
Speaker 6: go on a nice ten plays, seventy four yard over
Speaker 6: five minute drive that ends into Jojo Lafel touchdown up
Speaker 6: thirty five, thirty one.
Speaker 1: Yep. That was the drive of the game. That was.
Speaker 3: That was a really and it was all passing, you know.
Speaker 3: And I remember the one thing about that that drive
Speaker 3: was we didn't need to do anything in a hurry,
Speaker 3: So trying to force the ball to go further down
Speaker 3: the field and take more chances holding on to it longer, yeah,
Speaker 3: was not really something that we had to do because
Speaker 3: we only needed to score once. Yeah, So it was like, okay,
Speaker 3: like we can take a three step, we can hit
Speaker 3: something short.
Speaker 1: Which goes into play calling. Adjusting, you know, he had
Speaker 1: to adjust. Josh had to adjust from being down fourteen. Yep.
Speaker 1: The psychological battles of keeping the team that a we're
Speaker 1: sticking with what we're doing, then being down fourteen again,
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're we're we're trying to fight for
Speaker 1: time this that to now reverse engineering it to like
Speaker 1: all right now times on our side, we don't have
Speaker 1: to rush.
Speaker 3: No, which is that's that's and it helps the protection
Speaker 3: helps protect. We're gonna we're going to take short profits
Speaker 3: and do that. And I thought that that was a methodical,
Speaker 3: Like you said, ten plays, five minutes, we're just trying
Speaker 3: to take the profit, keep moving it down the field.
Speaker 3: And then when we had our one chance, you know,
Speaker 3: Joe had single coverage.
Speaker 1: I believe it was.
Speaker 3: Cover one, and you know, you know, Tommy made a
Speaker 3: great throw and Jojo made a great catch, So it
Speaker 3: was it was different. The mindset of that drive was like,
Speaker 3: just keep we don't have to do we don't need
Speaker 3: two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: We already started feeling the momentum coming though, yeah we did,
Speaker 1: you know, and the momentum is real when you feel
Speaker 1: that in the momentum fuels the confidence of the unit
Speaker 1: that's out there.
Speaker 3: The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you
Speaker 3: threw the double passing score that I've never heard that stadium.
Speaker 3: That stadium has been loud a number of times in
Speaker 3: our lives. That was the loudest noise that I personally
Speaker 3: had heard, like because it was almost like, you know,
Speaker 3: like we we came back once then we're down two
Speaker 3: touches and so they're like, oh no, not again. Then
Speaker 3: we come back again and and to do it that
Speaker 3: way with you hitting dance. I mean, that was as
Speaker 3: noisy as I think. I can never remember it.
Speaker 1: That was. That was a fun That was a fun play,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't over so well.
Speaker 7: Before we do that, we let we have players on.
Speaker 8: We like to walk through, like a specific moment jenneral
Speaker 8: from the Big Game. We've heard Jules's perspective, We've heard
Speaker 8: Danny mcdola's perspective of that play. I love to hear
Speaker 8: your like beat by beat perspective of that double pass play.
Speaker 2: So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back.
Speaker 1: I remember it.
Speaker 3: Was ready and I had already checked with Bill, you know,
Speaker 3: like we're good. He goes whenever you know, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to do it, I'm good. And you know, because
Speaker 3: I always felt like whenever you're running something, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit screwy. Yeah, you know, just you better check
Speaker 3: with your big boss and make sure that you're you know,
Speaker 3: you're not doing it, and he doesn't want you to
Speaker 3: like fake punts, and you know, so was he already
Speaker 3: signed off.
Speaker 1: Whenever you want to do it, and I.
Speaker 3: Just didn't feel right about doing it, not like I
Speaker 3: wanted to get a first down and then do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it like the first play
Speaker 1: of the drive. I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Do it on second and eight, like after the first
Speaker 3: play of the drive. I wanted to, like, can we
Speaker 3: get a first down and then once we get the
Speaker 3: first down, let's try it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so we did.
Speaker 3: We got a first down, and then I think it
Speaker 3: was right around midfield and it was kind of the
Speaker 3: right time to do it, and Dean acquiesced.
Speaker 1: He brought the star Blitz off the side that we
Speaker 1: threw the ball to. He gave us.
Speaker 3: We didn't know we were going to get that, but
Speaker 3: it made the play better because we only had one
Speaker 3: guy out there that we needed to block and it
Speaker 3: wasn't two and so was that gronk out there? I
Speaker 3: think it was Gronk out there. And then Danny did
Speaker 3: a good job of hesitating and going by. But you know,
Speaker 3: after I asked him if he needed anything time, he
Speaker 3: said no, Bill had already you know, signed off on
Speaker 3: the whole thing, and I just really wanted to get
Speaker 3: a first down. So it wasn't so like almost like desperate,
Speaker 3: like we gotta try this right off the bat, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I want to, yeah, get a
Speaker 3: little get a little bit of a momentum going in
Speaker 3: the drive and then give ourselves a chance to see
Speaker 3: if we could hit it. So and it was perfect
Speaker 3: because it was on our sideline. I love doing those
Speaker 3: things when they're on your sideline.
Speaker 1: So when you're seeing when I'm going over in motion,
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind? It's not man.
Speaker 3: And then when I saw the guy start to creep
Speaker 3: in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We couldn't have drawn up a better like them, playing
Speaker 3: a better defense for the play. It was really just
Speaker 3: gonna matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't.
Speaker 3: And you know, Danny did a good job of bluffing
Speaker 3: it and then went by.
Speaker 8: You mentioned, you know, want to do a playlia like
Speaker 8: that after first down and doing it on your own sideline.
Speaker 8: These little details? Is that like to factor him with
Speaker 8: your play calling? Is that innate? Is that something with reps?
Speaker 8: Like where do you pick up those little details when
Speaker 8: it comes into your crafts and play call?
Speaker 1: I think it's just probably experience.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't like I think when you're coming
Speaker 3: off the sideline and like the defense is kind of
Speaker 3: ready for almost anything, you know, Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: that's a great time to like spring your craziest play
Speaker 3: on them all the time. I think it's almost like
Speaker 3: you run a play, you run a second play. Oh,
Speaker 3: you got a first down. So they're kind of like,
Speaker 3: all right, they're just driving the ball. They're just trying
Speaker 3: to do the same stuff they've been doing, you know,
Speaker 3: throwing the ball here.
Speaker 1: Dink and dunk, which is what I wanted them to
Speaker 1: be thinking. And they got.
Speaker 3: So we get a first down, and we're into a drive.
Speaker 3: The defensive coordinator he knows we're not going fast. He's
Speaker 3: into his drive now, you know what I mean, meaning
Speaker 3: meaning Dean's you know, you kind of get into a
Speaker 3: rhythm of the drive itself.
Speaker 1: Each drive is.
Speaker 3: Different, and so we we first down, play huddle, second down, play,
Speaker 3: first down, go back to the huddle, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So now Dean's in his rhythm too, and so.
Speaker 2: Again the it just I thought that was a better
Speaker 2: way to do it, honestly, then go out.
Speaker 1: There and be desperate and try to hurry up and
Speaker 1: get to it. And you know, people don't realize these
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how it's in other places,
Speaker 1: but there's a department that studies and gives everyone around
Speaker 1: the league what they're doing to our coaches, and they
Speaker 1: look at it. These guys study it so that you know,
Speaker 1: you could always see when it's the best opportunity. He's
Speaker 1: probably seen this situation go down. May not be this
Speaker 1: specific trick play, but a different trick play that you know,
Speaker 1: a team off of. You know, a big play makes
Speaker 1: another big play feels desperate, you know. So these guys
Speaker 1: they're always watching the game, yep. And that's how they
Speaker 1: get their experiences, not only through coaching it, but watching
Speaker 1: other coaches. The great co coaches will use their experiences
Speaker 1: and implicate it into their.
Speaker 2: And I've made I've I've called enough plays and made
Speaker 2: enough mistakes when I was younger, you know, to like,
Speaker 2: all right, well that sucked, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like that totally wasn't the right time to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, And you just I think learning through your
Speaker 2: failings as you're going is a helpful thing.
Speaker 3: So you have a little bit of wisdom, you know,
Speaker 3: after you've put enough pelts on the wall, you know
Speaker 3: where now you kind of know like that's I remember
Speaker 3: not to do that because of this game.
Speaker 2: And I tried it and it backfired, you know.
Speaker 3: And the other thing I would say about this is,
Speaker 3: and you would attest to this, we practiced those things,
Speaker 3: and we didn't act like they were like so special
Speaker 3: that it was like impossible for us to succeed at them.
Speaker 2: I treated those.
Speaker 3: Things like almost like a play action pass, like a
Speaker 3: flea flicker or a double pat like if you rapid enough,
Speaker 3: what's the difference.
Speaker 1: Other than the ball handling?
Speaker 3: And yeah, like but I trusted you enough and we
Speaker 3: repped it enough where I was like, I didn't call
Speaker 3: it and go like this like what's gonna happen? I
Speaker 3: called it going as long as the defense is gonna
Speaker 3: give it to us. I've seen us execute this many times.
Speaker 2: Look at he's got this smile, like, yeah, tell him
Speaker 2: how many times I hit it in practice?
Speaker 1: I think I overthrew him three or four times.
Speaker 8: You were gloves too, right, Yeah, because always ships on
Speaker 8: quarterbacks when they wear their gloves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not gonna take my glove off. Well
Speaker 1: that's why that's the thing is you take it off.
Speaker 2: Then these guys Baltimore might have been perceptive enough to.
Speaker 1: This guy Michael Jackson.
Speaker 6: Out there gloves like lad Guerrero, come on now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But but to coach his point, I think that's a
Speaker 6: that's cool that like it's not one of these like
Speaker 6: super trick plays and like crazy things. Because we were
Speaker 6: watching we did the the AFC Championship in in Arrowhead
Speaker 6: with Ernie and there was a fleaflicker on that drive
Speaker 6: in o t Yeah, like just a regular play, Like
Speaker 6: that's a testament to that practice.
Speaker 3: And it was, and it was like a comfort level
Speaker 3: for you as the play caller, like I don't feel
Speaker 3: like I'm about to mess the game up because I've
Speaker 3: watched us and I trust our guys enough and trust
Speaker 3: you guys to do it. So and you don't either.
Speaker 3: You're not thinking like, oh god, he called a flea flicker.
Speaker 1: You're just like, but what it is, what it is,
Speaker 1: He's got to block the goddamn safety rights furg Steelers.
Speaker 6: And Yeah, but to get back to this drive, next
Speaker 6: gen stats will tell us this was the first time
Speaker 6: a player in a playoff game has had a nine
Speaker 6: yard reception and a fifty one yard TD in the
Speaker 6: same drive. It's next gen stats for you guys.
Speaker 1: I don't back what the that's that'll never that'll never
Speaker 1: happen again.
Speaker 2: Ever, that's like Haley's comment, nobody's ever gonna have a
Speaker 2: nine yard I remember.
Speaker 1: One d T pass in the same drive.
Speaker 2: In the same divisional round.
Speaker 1: He he knows, Josh, those is ship because I remember
Speaker 1: it was what was Indianapolis where a house to punted
Speaker 1: on a slant and then I almost broke the.
Speaker 2: The reverse in the in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I come off to the sideline and he
Speaker 1: comes up to me. He goes, he can't get three
Speaker 1: more yards. You would have been the only person in
Speaker 1: the history of the game. But at that time return
Speaker 1: one and.
Speaker 7: Rush one d for the sick and McCaffrey just run,
Speaker 7: catch and throw.
Speaker 1: Recently yeah here, yeah it happened. But at that point,
Speaker 1: should we put a bow on this bad boy? Put
Speaker 1: it all right?
Speaker 6: So Flacco leads him down nine plays fifty three yards,
Speaker 6: gets in gets in territory Doron Harmon with the pick
Speaker 6: picky punt.
Speaker 1: A lot of them get a lot of that beast
Speaker 1: beast closer.
Speaker 6: Flaco gets the ball back though tries the Hail Mary unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: Pats win thirty five thirty one. We'll going thank god
Speaker 1: he pushed the guy at the end.
Speaker 6: Smart play.
Speaker 1: That was the balls up to the logan. Ryan a
Speaker 1: smart football player.
Speaker 8: Yep, very anything just because you're a coach, you're a
Speaker 8: smart guy. Anything we missed from this game that you
Speaker 8: want you did some preparation that you'd want to make
Speaker 8: sure we hit that we didn't talk about already.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, you guys kind of got the idea
Speaker 3: of the opponent, kind of got the the our game
Speaker 3: plan was very unique.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: We didn't intend on going in there and trying to
Speaker 2: you know, mash it at him running the ball and
Speaker 2: all that. You know, I don't believe that was the deal.
Speaker 2: And then the gadget stuff and we talked about the
Speaker 2: swings and all that. But I mean, I knew this.
Speaker 2: I felt getting ready for this game. They were the
Speaker 2: sixth seed. I felt like, this is probably.
Speaker 3: The best team that we're going to play the AFC
Speaker 3: in THEFC.
Speaker 1: Well, that's how it always was with Baltimore. I did.
Speaker 3: I felt like I didn't know who would be in
Speaker 3: the other game. You know, I think Indye beat Denver
Speaker 3: n Yet this this team was really something, and.
Speaker 1: Then Indy was soft as cat shit forty five seven.
Speaker 2: Soft, my god soft.
Speaker 6: But uh, back to this one real quick. We mentioned
Speaker 6: it earlier in this game, the the disparity between running
Speaker 6: and passing. Tom Brady threw the ball fifty times in
Speaker 6: this one, fifty times Blacko through a forty five. So
Speaker 6: if you like, I bet you that they runs did
Speaker 6: we run? They technically thirteen because they credit Brady with
Speaker 6: six rushes, but I mean really seven, Like you said,
Speaker 6: seven runs Brandon Bolden three for seven.
Speaker 1: And a rushing touchdown. Yeah, Brady that those were like
Speaker 1: his most proud moments.
Speaker 7: When he ran it was a thousand yard rusher.
Speaker 1: We know, we know, we heard about it in those
Speaker 1: walkthroughs night before games with the Lacrosse Bowl. So was
Speaker 1: he with the knail downs?
Speaker 8: He was deliberately doing those really close, so he wasn't
Speaker 8: losing yards towards his career?
Speaker 1: Was he it looked like it. I don't think he
Speaker 1: was doing that. I don't have enough information. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question.
Speaker 6: Patriots would go on to beat the soft soft Indianapolis
Speaker 6: called forty five to seven then going on.
Speaker 1: So they were really good football teams. But I just
Speaker 1: was always mad at him.
Speaker 6: I know, we're we like to rag on him on
Speaker 6: this pod. Uh, but we do it in jest. We
Speaker 6: we're just joking. The Pats would go on to win
Speaker 6: there for Super Bowl, beating the Seahawks twenty eight twenty
Speaker 6: four with Malcolm Butler's huge interception there at the end
Speaker 6: his rookie year, undrafted free agent, and H Brady would
Speaker 6: set the record for most.
Speaker 3: He went right to Malcolm Butler, he skipped you My bad,
Speaker 3: My bad, that's all good.
Speaker 1: That was a fucking historic play. I know, it was
Speaker 1: unbelievable play. It changed, Uh, it changed lives change, I
Speaker 1: mean speaking of it. That was the start of like
Speaker 1: the second part of the dynasty.
Speaker 6: Took the words right out of my mouth. Jewels yep,
Speaker 6: kicked off dynasty two point zero.
Speaker 1: Now what you what were your thoughts going in after
Speaker 1: after we won that first one? Do you think we
Speaker 1: had the legs to keep doing it? I mean, you
Speaker 1: never know, You never know. That's hard to say.
Speaker 3: I mean I knew that certainly, haven't Tommy. You always
Speaker 3: had a chance, Yeah, you know, and I knew that
Speaker 3: our you know, a decent chunk of our core guys
Speaker 3: were back, so we were excited to have a shot.
Speaker 1: But you never know. I mean I always tell everyone,
Speaker 1: I think the best team that I was on was
Speaker 1: that fifteen team. That was a good team. You know
Speaker 1: we were, but it wasn't how we were blowing teams
Speaker 1: out there right aft the beginning of the year. Then
Speaker 1: he tore his knee, Soldier tears his arm, I'd break
Speaker 1: the foot. But like we were, if we would have
Speaker 1: stated that's what That's what the lead people don't realize
Speaker 1: is you have to have that. You have to have
Speaker 1: your health, the health, the health bug on your side,
Speaker 1: you do, you know, going.
Speaker 2: Into two years of the same.
Speaker 1: It's so hard. That's why this is really impressive. What
Speaker 1: you know the Chiefs are doing. Yeah, you watch this
Speaker 1: and you know it's hard to bet against him this year.
Speaker 1: Like I honestly believe, and I know they've had relatively
Speaker 1: a healthy They've had a healthy two years if you
Speaker 1: think of like their cornerstone players. Yeah, and anytime that
Speaker 1: we we didn't do it is because we had a
Speaker 1: cornerstone player go down or something along those lines. And
Speaker 1: they're in that function way of like where we were,
Speaker 1: where if we're playing our best game, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it looks like in September. We're just
Speaker 1: at the point where we're still learning our team because
Speaker 1: we've lost a bunch of guys or a bunch of coaches.
Speaker 1: Kind of use that and then you develop your team
Speaker 1: in the middle chunk of the season. Then you start
Speaker 1: sharpening the knives when you get into that, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, seventeenth week, and then by then it's hard
Speaker 1: to bet against us or them. You know, that's where
Speaker 1: they're at in their career because of you know, the
Speaker 1: quarterback they have and their program. Their program.
Speaker 3: They have a good program. It's been you know, ten
Speaker 3: plus years in the making, and they know.
Speaker 1: What they're doing. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: The stability of the organizations you know that that can
Speaker 3: get to that point is really a huge advantage for them.
Speaker 1: It is now what's more impressive this double comeback or
Speaker 1: Super Bowl comeback.
Speaker 3: I think Baltimore's defense, in my opinion, was like I
Speaker 3: thought Matt Ryan was playing an exceptional level. The Falcons
Speaker 3: were a really good team. I don't think their defense
Speaker 3: if you put those two defenses on paper, you would
Speaker 3: say that that defense was better than the Baltimore one.
Speaker 1: It was not so doing it against the Ravens in.
Speaker 3: That group, with that group of players that they had.
Speaker 1: That was probably the tougher group.
Speaker 3: We had to have so many things go right for us,
Speaker 3: or so many things we had to do without having
Speaker 3: anything go wrong.
Speaker 1: In the Falcons game, we just couldn't. We were up
Speaker 1: against it.
Speaker 3: It was like, if we make any mistakes here, we're
Speaker 3: dead done, you know what I mean. And so the
Speaker 3: fact that we were able to do that, you know,
Speaker 3: I think it was probably more unrealistic. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was a better one against a
Speaker 3: better defense, if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still some great, great problems to talk about.
Speaker 1: Which which you come back was better? Those are great things.
Speaker 1: Which one? Did you think it was? Falcons? For sure?
Speaker 1: I mean it was it.
Speaker 2: It was more because you know, it was certainly more improbable,
Speaker 2: so improbable. I never felt like we were out of
Speaker 2: the Buffalo the Baltimore one.
Speaker 1: Really no, but we were up again. Definitely felt like
Speaker 1: we were out at one point after I dropped that
Speaker 1: third down come out halftime, Like, fuck me, I'm the
Speaker 1: raw rock guy getting everyone rowdy. I can't make a
Speaker 1: goddamn third down catch over the you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hell of a store. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hell of a story. I mean, that's your trademark.
Speaker 1: It was a hell of a Now you're saying there's
Speaker 1: a caveat to that.
Speaker 2: Nah, it's gonna be a hell of a story.
Speaker 1: And if I believe.
Speaker 6: That, you can't believe. Gotta believe.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can't say that.
Speaker 1: You gotta believe. But I'm doubting if we can do
Speaker 1: it or not. Hey, we all have See that's that's
Speaker 1: for everyone listening. Even when you believe, you have a
Speaker 1: little doubt. So when you're doubt, you have that little doubt,
Speaker 1: it's okay, you can still believe. Speak right there. You
Speaker 1: see that right frame. I mean it's it's already that's
Speaker 1: a T shirt. Oh my god, it's gonna be a caveat.
Speaker 1: I mean, who dropping caveat on this podcast? I like
Speaker 1: it such a caviare word. Let's grade the game. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break. Name of the game,
Speaker 1: the double pass, The pass game, The double comeback. Which
Speaker 1: one do you want to call it double pass? The
Speaker 1: double pass game? Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 1: Let's score it stakes zero to ten of this game
Speaker 1: decimal is okay, you have to grade it of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We've done super Bowls, We've done World Cup events, We've
Speaker 1: done World Series events, done surfing the biggest waves of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: I mean okay, So I'm gonna say it's a divisional
Speaker 2: game against nine nine solid.
Speaker 8: So we had done this game before with with Gronk.
Speaker 8: So Jewels sorry, Jewels scored a seven point one. I
Speaker 8: Jack did an eight point zero, I did an eight
Speaker 8: point two, and did a ten seven point one.
Speaker 1: You know, Jos, when you first Super Bowl, you forget them,
Speaker 1: you forget them. This is seven right here, star power, Josh,
Speaker 1: star power. That was okay, okay, so reads out, raise out.
Speaker 2: McPhee, don't forget about you know, you're the legend of
Speaker 2: you know, we're just coming up. Yeah, you're your legend
Speaker 2: hasn't really started to grow yet. Just you know, you're
Speaker 2: kind of you're hoping to get a podcast someday, hope.
Speaker 3: You know, Gronk's pretty much Gronk by now. Tommy's got
Speaker 3: a lot of star power. I'll go uh eight.
Speaker 8: Jewels did a seven point nine and jacket an eight
Speaker 8: point five. I did an eight point three.
Speaker 7: Dole did a six?
Speaker 6: Whoa Dole?
Speaker 1: Hard greater man? Not after a ten on the stakes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That what are we doing? Game played? Zero to ten? Josh?
Speaker 1: What does this mean? How the game went? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean excitement for the viewer? This is a ten.
Speaker 1: This is hard to top this one? Amen? What I say?
Speaker 1: Hard to top this one?
Speaker 7: Jewels with an eight point one, Jack with a ten,
Speaker 7: Me with a nine.
Speaker 1: You are the name of the game. Zero to ten,
Speaker 1: one decimals, Okay, you mean the double pass, the double
Speaker 1: pass rating the name that you ranked, the name eight
Speaker 1: point five?
Speaker 6: Very solid.
Speaker 8: Jules had a seven point nine, jacket an eight point six.
Speaker 8: I had a nine point two, and Dola had an
Speaker 8: eight point zero. What is a total up to Let's
Speaker 8: see the news score is an eight point four four?
Speaker 1: Where does it go on the charts of games?
Speaker 8: That ties us with with Becky?
Speaker 1: Two belts? You big wrestling fan? My kids, we grew
Speaker 1: up that way, Yeah I do. There was a big
Speaker 1: There was a big.
Speaker 3: There's a big window where I was completely out of
Speaker 3: the loop, you know, like after college, just making it
Speaker 3: till I had and then like I have some friends
Speaker 3: that do it.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. It's fun, fun to go to. It's
Speaker 2: a good show.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Overall.
Speaker 2: Tied for thirteenth overall. Hold on, go back to that.
Speaker 1: So the number one was super Blood wolf Moon.
Speaker 6: That was a twenty eighteen AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: Remember the moon thing that happened? Yeah? I do. Uh,
Speaker 1: where's the Seahawks?
Speaker 7: That's number three?
Speaker 1: Three?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that definitely statue Lefty game. Remember
Speaker 2: that I had those three as my top three.
Speaker 3: Yes, someone in COVID asked me that, and I said,
Speaker 3: those were my top.
Speaker 1: Three, but not in that order.
Speaker 7: What's your order?
Speaker 1: Three? One? Two?
Speaker 8: So Butler game twenty eight to three or game Superbud
Speaker 8: Wolfman game than twenty three?
Speaker 1: That was my top. That was my top and then
Speaker 1: I think this game was four.
Speaker 6: Hey, yeah, do you remember that statue of Liberty game?
Speaker 1: What is he state?
Speaker 6: Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh that's my favorite.
Speaker 6: Speaking of great, great great play calls.
Speaker 1: That was awesome.
Speaker 7: How many gadges can you have, Josh, we visiting thing?
Speaker 1: No, this is awesome. You want to plug anything. You're
Speaker 1: gonna plug plug anything, you know. This is just this
Speaker 1: is awesome. Well, we appreciate you coming on man, it's
Speaker 1: been awesome.
Speaker 6: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: This was funny memory Lane. Yep, and thank you again, Bro,
Speaker 1: appreciate you be guy man. That was That was a
Speaker 1: fun episode. Brought me down memory Lane. Would you guys
Speaker 1: think about old Josh love Josh our first we were
Speaker 1: just talking our first head coach, first head coach. We
Speaker 1: didn't really talk about it though, No, because it's a
Speaker 1: little raw, it's still a little fresh. I think a
Speaker 1: fresh wound.
Speaker 7: I'll have a bit of a hand up moment on
Speaker 7: this episode.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty anti redoing games that we've already done, because
Speaker 8: you're so there's literally thousands of thousands of games out
Speaker 8: there that we haven't done yet. So when he came
Speaker 8: back organically with doing this game, I was skeptical. I
Speaker 8: was like, Okay, well we've already done it with Dola whatever, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 8: But I think his perspective on it was awesome. It
Speaker 8: was cool getting the coaches perspective on it. So hand up,
Speaker 8: I was wrong.
Speaker 6: Josh was so cool man and so gracious. Was this
Speaker 6: guy so smart? Remember it and he did the Peyton manning.
Speaker 6: He went back to the notes, he watched the tape,
Speaker 6: he came ready has still had his game plans. Oh
Speaker 6: that was awesome.
Speaker 8: I wish oh when we started getting into the craft
Speaker 8: of play calling and he was like, oh, I wanted
Speaker 8: to do it out the first down and I want
Speaker 8: to do it here and after hear oh, man, we
Speaker 8: could have had an hour conversation.
Speaker 7: I'm just that because that was just I wanted to
Speaker 7: know more and more and more about that.
Speaker 1: But I don't even to help me with my college
Speaker 1: football twenty five play on. I know, I wonder what
Speaker 1: playbook he uses.
Speaker 6: I wonder because I used to use.
Speaker 1: And like when I go and played Madden, I would
Speaker 1: use like our playbook even if he was using a
Speaker 1: different team, because I knew our offense. And sometimes there's
Speaker 1: a couple of years I was like, oh, this kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, it's kind of kind of what we do.
Speaker 1: And then there's someone like, what the fuck I played recently?
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know the offense.
Speaker 6: I gotta say, nothing good has ever come from me
Speaker 6: being in the pistol formation in college football twenty five.
Speaker 1: I hate the pistol not a pistol. Guy supposed to
Speaker 1: be better for the run.
Speaker 6: I know, but I just can't.
Speaker 1: Every time I can makes it more even. I could
Speaker 1: see that makes it more even for the offensive line,
Speaker 1: for like shades, because the guy behind him all the
Speaker 1: offset on one side, you can eliminate certain things.
Speaker 6: That's a good way to look at I didn't even
Speaker 6: know anything.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why people try the pistol. That's why people
Speaker 1: like the pistol, because they you know, it's a deception
Speaker 1: of a side that is true. So then you could
Speaker 1: cheat over those gaps over not cheat, but you can
Speaker 1: you can gap them differently and just have this guy
Speaker 1: catch you edge on for the pitch.
Speaker 7: Isn't it just the old eye formation that that's why shot?
Speaker 1: But that's what No, the pistols shotgun with the guy
Speaker 1: behind you. But it is like eye formation for like
Speaker 1: where you're getting, you get the even box for both sides.
Speaker 6: God forbid a college quarter be under centered these days.
Speaker 6: God forbid what they're never under center in college dangered species,
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, Army.
Speaker 1: And that's that's dude.
Speaker 7: This is a two hour episode already's.
Speaker 2: In honor of Josh and his patented, patent patented.
Speaker 1: He's known for wearing advisors for.
Speaker 2: Known for wearing visors. We're gonna go and we're gonna
Speaker 2: build the ideal football coach look from head to tippity toe.
Speaker 6: Just a little context of this new post guest segment.
Speaker 6: We're basically gonna assemble the We're gonna We're gonna use
Speaker 6: inspiration from some of the most notable coaching attire pieces,
Speaker 6: pieces of their wardrobe to kind of compile one super fit.
Speaker 6: So think Pete Carroll's Monarchs. Think Kyle Shanahan with the
Speaker 6: the flat brim custom Giants hat.
Speaker 1: That no one else wears, but he has Niners with
Speaker 1: a small small letters with the small letters. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking so just go Bill Belichick with the cutoff hoodie.
Speaker 1: Maybe Kanye low key made a collection after this. Oh
Speaker 1: damn back, I'm telling you no, he cut like he
Speaker 1: cut it. A lot of that ship looked like Bill's ship.
Speaker 1: I've been in there after Kanye dropped. It was like
Speaker 1: sixteen or something. It's tight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Billy.
Speaker 1: Kanye and Bill kind of addressed like on the on
Speaker 1: the sideline.
Speaker 8: If you I heard recently that maybe some of Kanye's
Speaker 8: fashion sense was coming from Adam Sandler.
Speaker 7: I think I saw a clip of that.
Speaker 1: I just love seeing Adam Sandler on social media, playing
Speaker 1: randomly in parks in the in the Adam Sandler outfits,
Speaker 1: specials out probably when this comes out. Yeah, yeah, new
Speaker 1: special everyone go go check it out. But let's get
Speaker 1: back to our bill coach. All right, let's build a.
Speaker 7: Coach, baby.
Speaker 6: I like the that that naming of it perfect.
Speaker 1: Well's I mean, we all know creative player in Madden.
Speaker 1: This is creative coach created looks.
Speaker 6: So we're starting at the dome, baby, head where what
Speaker 6: are we rocking on the head? Are we going?
Speaker 1: We going hat?
Speaker 6: We go on Advisor, We're going nothing, We're going Beanie headset.
Speaker 6: I mean you gotta have the headset. This Dora Fedora
Speaker 6: full on old school yeah.
Speaker 1: Eddie Munster, Widow's peak, just beautiful hair like uh situation.
Speaker 6: Yeah full Ben, I can do?
Speaker 1: Or what ebra flues right now, bro, coach? Ebra flues?
Speaker 1: Get got a city cut, moved to Chicago, White made
Speaker 1: him cut his hair. You got a city cut and
Speaker 1: a little beard.
Speaker 7: Action Chicago looks good?
Speaker 1: Oh my, yes, I mean I got a whole paper.
Speaker 1: They look good. Yeah, but everyone looks good on paper.
Speaker 1: That's why you play the games.
Speaker 6: Are we going full ebra flues and getting a city
Speaker 6: cutting with the you.
Speaker 7: Gotta go, you gotta go A hat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I like, I like freaking Shanahan's hats
Speaker 1: because it's our new age cool coach, A new age
Speaker 1: cool coach. Dora is like thirty two. That's cool for
Speaker 1: like on the going to the plane.
Speaker 6: On the or so baby, the meat the meat of
Speaker 6: your fit.
Speaker 5: Here we go, in, we go in old school wind breaker,
Speaker 5: we going verbel cut off windbreaker with the long sleeve
Speaker 5: t underneath the show off the guns.
Speaker 6: I like the bill dog.
Speaker 1: I like the bill. I like the bill cut hood,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 7: About a Jim Tressel sweater.
Speaker 1: Hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it.
Speaker 6: It's too clean cut, absolutely Nottenheimer starter jacket.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the starter coach by everyone,
Speaker 1: Yes or cool. But that's for a cold game. We're
Speaker 1: talking about a spring game. Okay, very much game.
Speaker 7: What about a nice, like fashionable, like up to date
Speaker 7: wind breaker. I'll up Pete Carroll. It's almost like a
Speaker 7: golfing situation.
Speaker 1: Ah like accus like a quarter zip like it's a
Speaker 1: little too ubiquitous. I'm I like, look at the Belichick
Speaker 1: like as much as we can all make fun of it,
Speaker 1: like that's that's like timeless. That's like from the because
Speaker 1: he used to do that. Ship at the Giants oversize
Speaker 1: because those old sweat suits, the old baggy ones, when
Speaker 1: you used to cut them off, like that was like
Speaker 1: your only that was your way of differentiating yourself because
Speaker 1: we all wore the same one. Amen, So like that
Speaker 1: was like your he kind of did.
Speaker 6: That early drip. Plus plus your your hands are free,
Speaker 6: you're not messing with your lease.
Speaker 1: And then pocket and you also go to hood just
Speaker 1: in case you want to go hood over hat because look,
Speaker 1: even Shanahan does hood. See Shanahan does hoodie with jacket
Speaker 1: over open open jacket, which is cool.
Speaker 6: I like having a hood little versatility there.
Speaker 1: Bill looks like you should be in the weight room.
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, we're going. Well, my coach looked like you
Speaker 1: should be in the weight room. We're going Bill, We're
Speaker 1: going Bill.
Speaker 6: I'm going Bill.
Speaker 8: We also missed the bum Phillips cowboy hat in the
Speaker 8: Headworth section. We should pick we were right with the
Speaker 8: Phillips or the Shanahan flat Bill, but cowboy.
Speaker 7: Hat is a vibe.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta be coaching in the state of Texas. Okay, pants,
Speaker 1: this is only one answer, only Texas pants. See, I
Speaker 1: would say I don't like khakis.
Speaker 6: I would say, if they're going to be khakis, I
Speaker 6: want some big old pleats there. I need those boys pleated.
Speaker 6: I'm talking Charlie Weis's Pete Carroll circa Notre Dame usc
Speaker 6: Bush push game pleats. But with the bill Hoodie, I
Speaker 6: don't like it. No, I don't like it. I want
Speaker 6: some some wind pants.
Speaker 8: Or we do we have to be like a nice
Speaker 8: look top the bottom, or we picked the best thing forehead.
Speaker 1: For we're building a look we're building. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: all has to go together.
Speaker 6: I think it needs to. It needs to.
Speaker 1: Going with like a baggie windbreaker rain gear machine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all day, all day they have that. I want some bottom,
Speaker 1: so a bust of sag. I got, I got, I
Speaker 1: got area where I can keep my my flag. I
Speaker 1: don't have a small ass little because if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it myself, I don't. I don't need a tapered
Speaker 1: assing where I can't get my hand under my ship
Speaker 1: because my calf is so big. I want some baggy
Speaker 1: you gotta hide your flag, I got packed pockets.
Speaker 7: What about this take just I'd love to hear your opinion.
Speaker 8: Here's a team that we was our a bit of
Speaker 8: a rival in high school ConA, but all their coaches
Speaker 8: would have matching short cargo shorts with calf high black
Speaker 8: socks the whole season, even if it was snowing. The
Speaker 8: whole coaching staff, I'm not sure black socks.
Speaker 6: They deserve to be fired as an entire staff, the
Speaker 6: whole staff, the whole it's a bro staff. What that
Speaker 6: is insane?
Speaker 7: The whole, the whole coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Something I want to add to my to my hoodie,
Speaker 1: the baggy hoodie. I want to add. I want to
Speaker 1: put my belt on over my hoodie so it looks
Speaker 1: like I got a tool belt. But it's my, it's my,
Speaker 1: it's my pack. Trying to talk my radio.
Speaker 7: We didn't talk about color gray. I mean, there's red,
Speaker 7: there's blue.
Speaker 6: The whole hoodie. I'm not opposed to mixing it up,
Speaker 6: but we will say as mendment that keep track of
Speaker 6: Bill's fits from his coaching staff. Gray or blue is
Speaker 6: the best red bad thing I like.
Speaker 1: I personally like the the like three year old faded blue. Yes,
Speaker 1: like dog shit blue that has been maybe dried six
Speaker 1: hundred times. That something and where you get like that.
Speaker 1: You know sometimes you pull out of your pocket, You'll
Speaker 1: pull out the lint thing or the refreshing sheet. You
Speaker 1: know you put in your damn thing? Oh should I
Speaker 1: that's that means it's gonna be a good day.
Speaker 6: You find an extra twenty in the pocket. You're good, bro,
Speaker 6: You're good.
Speaker 1: I want I want a thousand. That thing needs to
Speaker 1: be dried a thousand times, and it's got to be
Speaker 1: two sizes too big. Blue.
Speaker 8: Would you ever cut a hole in your hoodie pocket
Speaker 8: for headphones like in high school?
Speaker 7: No, I in the pocket a whole headphones.
Speaker 1: I like to listen to my brain. Think when I
Speaker 1: was lifting.
Speaker 7: Facts, you guys never listened to headphones. I never, even
Speaker 7: though I liked to.
Speaker 1: I didn't run with headphones on when I was younger.
Speaker 1: And then in the weight room you got fucking weight room.
Speaker 6: Radio tunes blasting I'm self motivated and any and when
Speaker 6: I used to do my drills motivated.
Speaker 7: I've seen you watch highlight reels of yourself working out. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I guess that.
Speaker 1: That is self motivated, self, self motivate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, alright, full inception, Bro, full inception.
Speaker 1: He incepted me. I'm gonna do it now tonight. I
Speaker 1: need to motivate myself.
Speaker 7: Some clips of the podcast.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, all right, we get we're building. This
Speaker 6: fit is coming together very nicely. I hate it, Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm going monarchs, man. I kind of think Carol Carol
Speaker 6: with the with the vaults there fire.
Speaker 2: You could go Ernie taped up nikes, taped up nikes
Speaker 2: because he likes the rebucks where he's a man.
Speaker 1: We're going with the Ernie specials. Let's go with the
Speaker 1: Ernie Nikes because we like box more. Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 1: taped up rebox Rebok men on this podcast. Baby.
Speaker 6: And then just to throw a little flair in here,
Speaker 6: you know, a little bit of personality to it. We've
Speaker 6: already done that with our hoodie, shown that with uh,
Speaker 6: you know, some other elements of our fit. But any
Speaker 6: accessories we talk in pencil behind the ear Allah, Matty p.
Speaker 6: We chewing on anything. We got gum going beat Carrol Carroll,
Speaker 6: Gum do we have I got a full tin?
Speaker 1: I got I gotta I got a fanny pack with
Speaker 1: ten tens in the back of it, and that's where
Speaker 1: I might keep my challenge flag. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have a I'm gonna have like you know, you have
Speaker 1: a guy that keeps you, the holy back guy, the
Speaker 1: holy back guy. Yep, he's I'm gonna have a homey
Speaker 1: back guy. And then I'm gonna have a dip guy.
Speaker 8: Can I Can I pitch for him to the team
Speaker 8: about a Mike McDaniel vape?
Speaker 7: What do you mean gripping vapes on the sideline?
Speaker 6: Get that out of here.
Speaker 1: No place for that in the NFL, Baby, No place, bro,
Speaker 1: no place for that, none between lines three other accessories.
Speaker 7: A big play sheet?
Speaker 6: Yeah you want to? You want to waffle house menu
Speaker 6: play sheet? Or are we talking Bill Belichick folded up
Speaker 6: you know a little piece of paper?
Speaker 1: Or do we just fucking note time?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Straight towar Agami status.
Speaker 1: Coach is dipping on the sideline. Oh yeah, there's signs
Speaker 1: it's illegal to do that. I got so by the way.
Speaker 1: I go to a Dodgers game and you gotta go
Speaker 1: through metal detectors. Cool, awesome, love it, like safeties over everything,
Speaker 1: pull out my tin, my wallet and uh walk through.
Speaker 1: They're like you can't have the tin. Oh that was right.
Speaker 1: That was the other week. Yeah, yeah, I was there
Speaker 1: with you can't have a tin at the I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm at a baseball game. What do you mean I
Speaker 1: can't have a tin? They're like, it's banned in the stadium,
Speaker 1: you can't have any tobacco products. I go, we're at
Speaker 1: a We're at a baseball game. I mean, it's isn't this America? Like? No,
Speaker 1: I go, are you what?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: They made me throw my hip away. So as he
Speaker 1: was going to throw it, I took one dip, I
Speaker 1: put it in, and I walked through, seeing guy, I
Speaker 1: thought this used to be America's past.
Speaker 7: Just walk up to the dugout and be like, yo,
Speaker 7: anyone got intense.
Speaker 6: I think it's illegal in there too.
Speaker 1: I think it's illegal.
Speaker 8: You're telling me these guys are playing one hundred and
Speaker 8: sixty two games and it's not a single guy with
Speaker 8: a fat lip in.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
Speaker 6: I think it's it's big sunflower seed and big in
Speaker 6: big bubble gum industry is has pushed him out.
Speaker 7: I think, no, So what's our accessory?
Speaker 6: It's all I get a dip hey and put a
Speaker 6: parlay in for me. But bro, that game was great.
Speaker 6: That was a great games.
Speaker 1: Accessories here challenge flag and so we'll have we'll have
Speaker 1: intercom belt around the hoodie. Ye can see around the builder.
Speaker 1: I can see my my side pack, tool belt, tool belt.
Speaker 1: They have a couple of things on there. We got
Speaker 1: a dip guy. We got a whole back guy. Only
Speaker 1: back guy, dip guy.
Speaker 6: We're not going full waffle House play sheet, are we?
Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely we are, okaya because if I'm head, how.
Speaker 7: Is it fixed?
Speaker 1: Is one of those? It's definitely connected to me. It's belt,
Speaker 1: oh man, connected the tool belt just in case I
Speaker 1: want to use my hands as the motherfucker ref Yes,
Speaker 1: you drop it. It's connected to your tool belt. So
Speaker 1: then I can just what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: Can you see? Can you see? What'd you get your
Speaker 1: eyes checked? Blood?
Speaker 7: What about how you feel about the Microsoft surface?
Speaker 1: Oh shit? Yeah? All right, Jane, I'll look at play
Speaker 1: thirty nine. She got it right there? Yeah, right there,
Speaker 1: open that thing up, Play thirty nine. All right, wall, that's.
Speaker 6: Off looking like you're reading the app side of the menu.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, full cheesecake factory.
Speaker 1: Cheesecake factory menu.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, surfaces, we're breaking about three of those a game.
Speaker 6: Oh guy, Microsoft Stock, we got ashing those bad boys.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna staying on the table here real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: As we're as we're wrapping up this fire fit and say,
Speaker 6: I absolutely hate anyone post Lombardi era that wears a
Speaker 6: suit or a tie or any version of that on
Speaker 6: the sidelines. I hate it.
Speaker 1: Who's done that? Like Al Golden at Miami was doing
Speaker 1: it like literally not that long ago.
Speaker 8: Mike Nolan for the forty nine ers, Jack, I love
Speaker 8: it because that's fucking football when you wear the coat
Speaker 8: and the breath and you got the fedora.
Speaker 7: These guys wearing like windbreakers and ship.
Speaker 1: I want my coaching bands.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I just I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 6: It was a time and place. Let's leave it there.
Speaker 7: Hard disagree, all right.
Speaker 1: You gotta be Mike Dicka to be able to wear
Speaker 1: a sweater vest high and he was a badass football player.
Speaker 1: He could be some dude that just you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, to Josh's point, D three, dude loves the
Speaker 1: game of foot. You can't be going in there trying
Speaker 1: to set a trend on how to fucking dress.
Speaker 6: No, no, come on, But if.
Speaker 1: You're Mike Dicka and you want to wear a tie,
Speaker 1: I mean when you got it like that, I think
Speaker 1: he's eating glass before facts he can do it. I
Speaker 1: think I saw it on on YouTube video.
Speaker 6: If you got your own steak at glass look it up.
Speaker 7: One more thing where we're landing on sunglasses. Glasses, no glasses.
Speaker 1: I'm not a sunglass guy. Dude, Like he'll never war shades,
Speaker 1: not on the You gotta be able to see now
Speaker 1: if I had crazy, like if I'm in Miami and
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, maybe that like if you get
Speaker 1: sun in your eyes when they're putting you on that
Speaker 1: visitors sideline. Actually, I think I'm gonna go with Google Glass.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Google glass so I could maybe get
Speaker 1: like yardage stuff in my thing. So when I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the sideline, I can see where the first down
Speaker 1: where the drive started. It's like marked in my fucking
Speaker 1: goggles Google glass down in distance. I want a VR
Speaker 1: thing I want so then I can get a better
Speaker 1: look I wanted. I want to I want a camera
Speaker 1: on the ball, so then if I'm the coach, I
Speaker 1: can see where the quarterback is s thirling with with
Speaker 1: like in the pile. I want that first hitd coach
Speaker 1: right vr hdset.
Speaker 7: All right, let's wrap this up, give us the give
Speaker 7: us the rundown.
Speaker 6: This full fit coming to a sideline near you. Shanahan,
Speaker 6: flat bill, Bill Belichick, cut off hoodie. We got our
Speaker 6: rain gear, windbreaker pants not tapered, loose at the bottom,
Speaker 6: a little bit bag to him. Ernie taped up rebox
Speaker 6: on the feet. We got tins around our belt. We
Speaker 6: got a dip guy. We got to hold me back guy.
Speaker 6: We have our play sheet that is cheesecake factory, large
Speaker 6: fully laminated. It's got multiple foldouts attached to the belt,
Speaker 6: affixed so that when we are letting the refs have it,
Speaker 6: it is not falling to the ground. And no shades.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 1: Air monarch.
Speaker 6: And we got the Ernie taped up rebox.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, good, good good good. No, no taped
Speaker 1: every box.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, just an all time fit.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm dialing up some crazy players.
Speaker 6: And we're weird to be our headset.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's an implant, and we gotta what is it
Speaker 1: the thing that elon cyber chip? What is it cyber chip. No,
Speaker 1: what's it called neural link? I put the neural link in. Remember,
Speaker 1: I basically put brain. I put Ernie's brain in a neurallink,
Speaker 1: and I just put it. I'm gonna put it in
Speaker 1: the back of my.
Speaker 6: Neck, right in the cerebellum.
Speaker 1: Right. Serotonin.
Speaker 6: We'll be having tons of that after we after we
Speaker 6: score touchdowns, and after we do this live show.
Speaker 1: This week.
Speaker 8: Let's live show was finished by the time, I hope
Speaker 8: you got an awesome time and everything levels are I'll
Speaker 8: be wearing.
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Speaker 1: of a game. That was a hell of an episode.
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