WEBVTT - “The Double Pass” with Josh McDaniels | 2014 AFC Divisional Round Ravens vs. Patriots 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Can we talk about the game day fit? 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.400 What do you mean what you wear? I wore two 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.479 things specifically. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:09.240 I like it. Yeah, maybe that's the Josh McDaniels visors, 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.560 Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.120 and Kyler, and we're on the quest to find the 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.520 greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.720 covering the infamous two thy fourteen AFC Divisional Round game 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:29.520 between the Patriots and the Ravens aka the Double Pass Game. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.520 We've already done it. This will be our second time 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.919 doing it with who Josh McDaniel's the guy behind the 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.159 formations and the double pass, six time Super Bowl champion, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.680 former head coach, our first head coach, and we're talking 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.360 what it takes for young qbs to succeed in the 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.040 National Football League. Always talk about it. They have a bucket. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.280 Guys all had a bucket, and yours was a big 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.840 bucket at the end, like you could handle whatever we 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.120 gave you. Well, when you take a young quarterback, it's 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:57.840 more like a cup. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.800 Calling plays in two of the greatest comebacks of all time. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.440 When I'm going over in motion, what's going through your mind? 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.560 It's not man and then when I saw the guy 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.520 start to creep in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.880 we couldn't have drawn up like them playing a better 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.080 defense for the play. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.160 And what the hell is in that water at John 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.399 Carroll University? For all these goddamn coaches back at John Carroll? 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.000 Did Casario come in? And he? 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.280 When Chaplinsky and I got there, Cassio was a red 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:27.120 shirt freshman. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:27.959 Redshirt freshman. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.120 He's like the only guy in the history of Division 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.720 three football that red shirt. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.800 And we wrap it up by creating our swaggiest touching 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.320 fit of all time. Can't wait to read about this 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.360 in the comment section. You gotta stick around to the 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.680 very end. Let's go Games and Names of the production 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:56.960 of iHeartRadio January tenth, twenty fifteen, Jellet Stadium, Focks Pro, Massachusetts. Jules, 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.440 you need any lead up if we call the double pass? Nope, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.000 I guess it's just time to dust off the old 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.640 thrown on. This is the double pass game, Josh. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:19.320 Version you guys, man, you know who I played pickleball 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:19.840 with last night? 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:25.240 Gronk's brother, which one the Gordyah? Yeah, he's pretty good, dude. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.920 He is, like it was s well. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.119 First of all, he looks like an Olympic volleyball player. Yeah, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.600 he's tall as ship. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.720 And I'm like and I was like, all right, I 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.320 don't know if this guy's like he had touch. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:39.519 Flank. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.400 Yeah, like they pickled us one game and then we 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.720 came back and beat him on the next one. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.840 But I was like, damn, Robbie is really good? 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:46.320 Is he? 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.320 Ye? I could see him being good. Robs good at 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.919 like pretty a lot of things. It's crazy. Remember how 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.760 good he was at basketball? And I never knew he was. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.040 I never I was like I could. I wouldn't have 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:55.760 imagined he was. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.440 I can imagine him dunking and like ripping the hoop down, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.760 but I couldn't imagine that he was a. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.320 Shooter as he was. He won the shot contest, I don't. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.880 I've talked about it on here. Teams know who was 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.600 actually really good too a basketball Logan Mankins at All 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.400 State And really that's awesome, Logan Mankins. I couldn't have 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.560 ever I heard that he had to play like a 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.160 center or something. Probably, but I bet you he was 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.720 souper because he had big hands. He probably had good touch. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.120 I played against Orlando Pace in high school. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.760 Yeah, dude never went inside the three point line. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.120 Yeah, it was unbelievable. I'm like I was. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.560 I was looking at him, going, dude going down to 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.640 the on the block, there's like, you're like, shack, Yeah, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.520 nobody's and he would just stand outside and shoot threes. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.520 Who else you played with? Welcome to Games with Names. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.760 Let's get into this real quick. Welcome to Games with Names. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.880 Today we are looking at the two thy fourteen AFC 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.800 Divisional Round game, the double pass, the Ravens versus the Patriots. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.520 Here with Josh McDaniels, the guy who gave him my 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.760 opportunity unity. You know, I'm having Billy Oh later on 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.600 this week. He was the guy that held me back, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.880 jos Josh McNee was the guy who gave me the 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.240 opportunity in the same offense to thrive to what I 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.680 was at. But the first question we asked all our 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.400 guests in one sentence, why did you pick this game? 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.839 I think this was well one that had I'd say 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.160 it had to do you were significantly involved in it, obviously, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.239 but this was I think this is my favorite home 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.000 game that I ever was a part of. We had 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.120 some really good Super Bowls and those kind of memories. Yeah, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.240 the AFC Championship game in Kansas City sticks out to me. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.960 I had another one when I was younger against Pittsburgh 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.599 and Pittsburgh. But I would say for home games, like 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.560 the quality of the opponent, the way the game had 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.760 to go, the way that it turned out. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.520 I think this was probably my favorite home game that 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.320 I was ever part of. Wow, is this the greatest 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.000 game of all time? No, this is not the greatest 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:00.800 game of all time. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.240 It's in the top It's certainly in the top five 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.080 or six for me in terms of Patriots games that 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.720 I was a part of, no question about it. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.120 What's life looking at right now? What are you doing 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:12.640 these days? 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.760 Different? You know, different in a good way. Two kids 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.840 in college, you know, and then still two girls now 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.840 at home. I've been able to see them more. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.280 My sons get ready to play a sophomore year at 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.600 John Carroll Football. He's playing in the slot receiver, so 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.800 got to work with him some of the summer. I'll 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.760 be able to see him play. I've seen him practice 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:40.960 now multiple times, which is great. A lot of pickleball. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.880 I'm probably as healthy as I've been in twenty years. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.720 Is that that's what's keeping the weight down. You look, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.320 you look thin. Thank you looking good. Trying a little 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.359 fluffy to get my fighting weight, trying to get the 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.039 fighting weight. Yeah I am looking good. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.920 Well I was getting a little fluffed the other way. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.320 You know that people don't realize the coach's life. The 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.560 coaches life is like the most stressful thing ever. If 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.520 you look at it's like Obama when he first went 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.480 into office, and you see when he went like when 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.000 he left office, he looked like he almost died. Yeah, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.120 you know what I mean. That's when a coach goes 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.560 through yearly, like literally, they eat the worst shit ever 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.960 they have to. They have their schedules jam packed, especially 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.880 with how Belichick was working these guys, and you know, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.360 they just sit and they watch film and eat fucking 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.160 food all day long. They try to get a workouted, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.440 but they preach it, but they don't always get it in. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.880 But you know, it's it's a tough life and the 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.600 stress is crazy. Now you talked about John Carroll, you know, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.760 how come, what's what's up with John Carroll? We had 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.240 a lot of John Carroll guys. Can you explain that 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.800 area and what that program? And you know, especially you 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.480 know Ohio where you were from. A lot of these 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:46.360 guys are from Ohio. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.640 I think, look, Ohio's in the in the Midwest, and 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.120 there's there's not as much to do. You're not on 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.600 one of the coasts, and so the game of football 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.839 in Ohio is like the thing. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:00.680 Yeah, you know. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.880 And so when you're growing up in Ohio, you know 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:04.960 all the high school teams, you know, the Hall of 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.839 Fame game comes there once a year. That's a huge 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.280 week and a huge part of the the culture there. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.680 You know, everybody goes to the enshrinement, you know, so 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.960 football is kind of like in the blood. And then 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.520 to go to school there, I went with a lot 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.680 of kids from Ohio, some from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Chicago, but 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.440 you know, I think we all kind of were there 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.480 for the same reason. At Division III, you're not there 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.280 to make it to the NFL. You're not there to 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.960 make a bunch of money. You're not you know, you're 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.360 not there on a free ride. You're paying to go 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.760 to school and you want to have as many years 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.840 left that you can to play football. So you meet 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.480 a lot of cool dudes that are there for the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.400 right reasons, and so when when that happened, when Bill 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.680 gave me an opportunity, and then the next question, you know, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.920 six months later, was like, hey, do you know anything 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.600 anybody else that kind of would be like you in 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:04.240 terms of being accountable, work hard, smart, could learn. And 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.040 it was like, yeah, I know Nick so and then 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.520 I suggested Nick, Yeah, Casario, and then eventually we suggested 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:17.280 you know, Ziggler and Chaplinsky and Kaylee and and it 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.000 was kind of like almost like this unspoken thing like 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.400 don't break the freaking chain, like don't be the guy 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:24.760 that lets all of us. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:25.720 Down, you know what I mean? 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.280 And and and you know, you know, when you're given 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.720 a recommendation, you're thinking long and hard about who that 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.160 guy is, you know, And so we kind of all 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.520 put our name on somebody. Brian Davile did it for me, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.959 you know, Dave's wasn't from John Carroll, but we were 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.280 together and that's. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.120 How I ended up there. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.640 And then we kind of all suggested somebody when when 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.480 when Bill came to us and said, hey, is there 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:47.280 another guy. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:47.440 That you know? 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.760 And I think everybody just you know, deserves their own 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.319 credit for upholding. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.760 Their end of the bargain. Yeah, Now, what are these 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.840 stories you know back at John Carroll? What was what 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.240 was I heard? Did Caserio come in? And he? 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.320 So Caserio was when I got there, when Chaplinsky and 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.880 I got there, and uh, Casiro was a red shirt freshman. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:12.720 Red shirt freshman. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.840 He's like the only guy in the history of Division 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.880 three football that red shirt you. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.199 Know, like like literally like like he he was so 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.040 intent on like playing and like having all these records 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:24.880 and breaking all this. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.960 And it was like he and I get there and 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.959 I'm like and I said, well, what what great is 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.920 Nick in? And They're like, he's a red shirt freshman. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.199 I'm like, he's not just a sophomore, like like you 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.400 know what I mean, Like I want him. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.000 I wanted him to be like ahead of me. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.319 So like if we ended up all right, he's gone, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.320 then I you know however that goes. But he red shirted, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.840 so he still had multiple years left to play. And 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.760 when I was a freshman, it ended up being a 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.240 fifth year senior was the starter. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.160 Nick was the backup, and I was the third string. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.640 Well, the fifth year senior who happens to be the 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.000 head coach of John Carroll now Jeff Barman is his things, like, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.760 great guy. He broke his ankle in the first game. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.520 So Nick goes in, I'm the backup, and we play 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:08.000 the rest. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:08.360 Of the year. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.240 Nick did a good job, and he was a really 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.920 good Division three quarterback, really good Division three football player. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.120 And so he ended up playing quarterback the next four years. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.360 And and so I switched positions as a junior so I 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.719 could play. I'm like, I'm not gonna you know, I 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.920 was supposed to sit behind him the whole time and 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.640 hope for him to get injured. I didn't want to 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.000 do that, you know, So he ended up throwing to 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.280 me the last two years. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.440 Was great. Ziggler and I played a lot together. But yeah, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.800 Nick's can you explain the locker room situation of which 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.199 guys which guy in the locker room? So I can 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.040 only imagine Becauseiria was Dudley due Wright just fucking like, guys, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.000 we got to get our protein shake in right now, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:49.720 Yes he did. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.000 He was the only guy the morning after like we 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.560 would win a game, right, we go to the ridge, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.240 we come in the next morning, and everybody's like, you know, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.280 depending on what you did. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.240 That night, right, Like a lot of guys would go 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.200 out so they'd come in. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.360 They'd be like this big slumber into the weight room 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.520 the next morning and he would be like in the 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.320 corner on a treadmill and it's like at eleven and 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.240 it's like on a seven incline, like just like. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.000 He'd like Drago and Rocky four. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.160 And it was like the rest of us just looked 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:20.920 at him, like, man, you come on, you gotta give 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:21.480 it a break. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.640 But he was That's how he was. He was. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.520 He was high strung, was out in the back parking 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:34.240 lot smoking cigarettes or what. No comment. Ziggy was a 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.000 little Meszigs is real cool. Ziggs and I ended up 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.040 we actually lived together. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.480 I roomed with somebody different. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.079 I wasn't not a football player in my first three years, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.480 and then Ziggs and I lived in a house together 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.840 are my senior year, his junior year, and uh yeah, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.440 Ziggs was a great student. But he enjoyed his he 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:59.679 enjoyed his free time. That's all I'm gonna say. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.920 It's always yeah, I'm out of now. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.320 I'm so proud of him. What are your thoughts on 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.440 how he's doing as GM. That's really cool. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.840 Yeah, I'm really excited for him. My brother's there, you know, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:15.280 as the receivers coach, and so I think he's really 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.720 done a good job of trying to like he's taken 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.720 what he needs to take from his experiences, but he's 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.800 messing him with a different type of coaching staff, a 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.800 different style, and they're they're figuring it out, you know, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.280 And I'm really excited for what he's trying to build there. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.559 And Demiko is a really good dude, good coach. He 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.200 got a really good staff, a lot of good people 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.920 down there. I got to visit the spring, and I 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.600 was really impressed Stroud. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.600 How you I mean, that's like lightning in a bald. Yeah, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.720 you know, he broke all the the molds of the 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.480 Ohio State quarterback everything, the rookie. I mean, he went 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.520 out in bald last year and good especial. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.040 He was a really good player, Like you could tell 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:58.960 watching his tape. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.880 He was a real good passer. Yeah, like as good 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:03.240 of a. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.640 Passer as you're gonna see coming out, like just naturally gifted. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.319 And then all the questions about like all right, is 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.640 he gonna acclimate quickly? 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:12.800 How long is it gonna take? 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.280 You know, all those things, and you know, handling adversity 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.199 last year went pretty good. Hopefully this year goes better, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.119 but at some point they're gonna have to handle some adversity. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.320 But I thought he did a tremendous job as a rookie. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.679 Unreal, I mean, takes care of the ball too, took 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.880 care of the ball, but he got better every week. Yep. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.000 He didn't see like if he made a mistake, Like 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.520 first time he played against the Patriots the preseason, they 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.760 did that, you know, they dropped someone in the flat 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.840 on his own blitz and he threw a deep pick 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.440 or something like that. Yep, he didn't do that again. No, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.800 you know, he caught him once and he learned from it. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.199 And that's that's how you get improvement and growth through 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.439 players is and that's what you want to see from 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.320 young players is not making that same mistake twice. You know, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.920 mistakes are always going to be made. Yep. The guys 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.360 that become good are the guys that don't make him twice. Yep, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.520 he did a good job of I think he's I 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:58.319 think he's well. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.040 Coached, and they know they do a really good job 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.800 of putting him in good positions. And I think he 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.319 he loves the game and he wants to be great. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.120 Are you watching a lot of ball right now? 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:09.960 I can, Yeah, I I do. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:11.280 I try to. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.160 You know, obviously, the preseason games, you know, it is 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.120 what it is. You see some things there which you're 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.240 I'm interested to see some of the young guys, but 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.040 I'll be able to watch the games as the season progresses. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.000 Here. Have you watched a little bit of may Drake 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.720 may I have? What do you think I have them? 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:27.720 I didn't. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.280 I didn't get to see a ton of them in 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:34.360 the spring. But he's obviously got great size, really athletic. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.480 I don't know where he'll fit in the whole, like 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.320 you know, the style he'll play with. I'm interested to 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.040 see how that develops, Like is he going to be 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.200 a run a little bit of a runner like Josh 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.520 Allen was in Buffalo. I don't think he's quite as 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.200 big as Josh is, but like you know, guys like 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.560 that that have those kind of attributes, you can use 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.200 them to run the football too, you know. And so 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.800 I don't think we've seen all that yet in the preseason, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.280 but I'm interested to see when he plays, if he 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.640 becomes a little bit more of a dual threat guy, 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.440 or if he's just a pocket passer and a big, tall, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.240 strong guy in the pocket. But the games I've seen, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:12.560 he's you know, he's done a good job. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.840 And you know last night, you know he played and 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.480 he had that third and fourteen on that first drive 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.800 backed up and he got that with his legs, yep, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.160 which you know was cover five. Look, I think to 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.840 man or something and he you know, that was pretty 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:25.840 cool to see. Yep. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.040 He's stepping up in the pocket, which is for a 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.640 young guys, you know, like that's not always the easiest 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.680 thing to get him to do. And I saw him 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.120 multiple times last night. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.760 Move forward the crunch in that crunch stock. You know 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.840 he stepped up, he didn't. You know, there's a lot 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.480 of times a young quarterback can't keep his eyes down 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.360 field while he steps up. He takes off in one 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.960 of those lanes. That's right. He delivered that football to Polk. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.320 It looked good. You know, he still needs to work 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.680 his feet. He had too many throws where you know, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.600 he's like this and he's trying to do that. Yeah, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.600 you know, and he'll learn that, hopefully he does. But 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.360 that was his mo His his feet aren't and. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.440 I don't think he plays from under center much. Yeah, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.560 and you can tell, you know, the when when there's 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.760 exchange issues, you know, usually that's. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.320 Just time on task, you know. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.480 And I doubt he He didn't do that much in 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.200 college from what I gather, So I think those are 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.040 the kind of things that'll take some time for him 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.560 to just acclimate, because you can't be you can't be 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.640 thinking about how to get the ball from the center. 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.040 Yeah, when you're dealing. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.520 With backup center defenses and like what's where's the blitz 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.720 coming from, and what's my read and what coverage are 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:27.200 they playing? 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:27.920 You got it? 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.360 You can't be thinking about how to get the ball. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.280 That's all. I mean. Foxboro High, right, That's that's right, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.280 Foxborough High, right, that's exactly. The One thing also pissed 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.800 me off is the cleat thing he's wearing, those slipper cleats. Yeah, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.320 like the dude, you're too you're two thirty, you're sixty four. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.120 You can't be wearing dB one hundred and ninety five 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.080 pound cleats. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.400 The guard foot where the guard get him and it 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.600 just slipped off, slipped off. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.480 I didn't like that. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.640 That made me mad. You got to protect those things, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.320 especially your quarterback. You learn how to play with the 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.800 heavy cleat. That's right. What's up with Mayo? What's your 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.440 thoughts on how Mayo's doing. I'm excited for him. Yeah, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:01.720 me too. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.439 I uh Drod's look was a great player and uh, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.159 you know everybody. I think he had a ton of 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.600 respect as a player, you know, captain, leader of the team, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.439 those kind of things were natural to him. And I 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.680 think that, you know, this is going to be an 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.320 interesting year for him as he goes through it, because 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.639 each each step of the way will just be something 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.600 he can learn from and grow from. And I feel 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 like he has his own idea on how he wants 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.560 it to be done, and he'll adapt it as this 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.960 as the circumstances change as he navigates the season. But 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.320 you know, it's hard to prepare for this, Like you 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.080 can be around football all your life and all of 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.359 a sudden you become a head coach and there's so 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.800 many other things you're responsible for now. So I'm assuming 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.159 he's going to just you know, he'll he'll acclimate to 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.800 those like he's acclimated to a lot of challenges in 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.520 his life, and I'm expecting him to succeed. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.200 Yeah, I'm excited for him. You know, it's it's it's 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.879 a dying breed, the defensive sided coach, you know, and 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:07.080 he's one of like six, you know, and and you know, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.760 hopefully he finds you know, hopefully Van Pelt comes through 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.120 and they have a good relationship and develop the young 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.400 quarterback because ultimately his face in Drake May's hands. Yeah, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.320 I mean, that's that's what it is. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.760 Yeah, that's I mean, they've talked about it all year. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.600 I mean from what I've heard that that's obviously gonna 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.320 be paramount, you know, his development and whatever the plan 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.760 ends up being for Drake in terms of when he's 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.920 gonna play, how they're going to handle them and continue 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.199 to develop him as he goes forward, is gonna be 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.440 It's gonna be important. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.160 That's the toughest thing. Like you know, they always say 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.000 you can't you might as well start with Jakobe first, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.880 because you can never pull the kid once you put 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.320 him in. Yeah, you know, And so that's gonna be 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.840 an interesting decision what they have going into week one, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.840 you know, and you know Drawd he's a level headed guy. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.840 He's very smart guy. Yep, and you you listed all 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.240 the characteristics he had. I mean, captain this that he 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.360 checks all the boxes. I'm excited for his opportunity. Yep. Now, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.080 how developing young quarterbacks? Can you? Can you talk about that? 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.440 You know, what's the process? Like? You were a huge 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.560 part of help developing Tom Brady, right, that's when you 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.880 first came in two thousand and two thousand and one. Yep, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.000 you developed him and the other guys. But what it 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.840 developing a quarterback? What's that process like now? And who 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.159 also makes that decision? Is the head coach, is the 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.480 offensive coordinator, is it, you know, the quarterback coach or 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.200 is it everyone's doing it their own. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.560 I think I think you have to have a plan, 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.800 you know, and that obviously starts from the head coach 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.560 his perspective, and you have to you know, be able 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.680 to agree on how you're going to kind of unveil 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.239 that thing to the to the player and you know, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.000 and ultimately bring him along. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.280 You know, you were a young player that needed to 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.600 make progress every step of the way. Yeah, and this 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.040 is no different. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.240 It's just there's so much no notoriety and so much 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.480 attention on the quarterback position. So if they're not talking 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.879 about your arm angle, they're talking about your footwork. If 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.919 they're not talking about that, they're talking about your eyes 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.919 or your read or how you navigated the pocket. And 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.800 there's a lot of things that go into playing it well. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.879 But I I at the end of the day, I 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.879 think you got to take the player where he's at. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.359 You know, when he comes in. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:26.520 Whether that was Castle or Garoppolo or Stidham or Brissett 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.639 or mac aidan O'Connell, like, you got to take the 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.360 player where he's at. They're all at different spots, they 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.760 all have been taught different things. They've all you know, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.760 digested different amounts of information. Some have played in different 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.560 systems than than yours. Some have played in maybe some 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.800 that were a little bit more like yours. And you 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.560 just got to figure out, all right, what do they know? 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.040 And I what am I going to try to you know, 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.879 push forward to get him to progress the quickest, you know, 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.240 I think I can get this and this done in 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:04.760 OTAs okay, great cadence play calls footwork all right, good 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.080 and in training camp you know, now I got to 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.960 get him to see different coverages and understand defenses a 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.560 little bit more, you know, protections, you know, and then 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.600 you know, move forward. You know, ball security, and then 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.920 the red zone is a different animal, and third down 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:19.960 and two minute offense. 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.960 So there's a lot of things that go into it. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.520 But I think it's just having a really good feel 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.600 for where's the player at. Ye you know, can't just 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.760 keep throwing stuff at him. Always talk about it. They 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.879 have a bucket. You guys all had a bucket and 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.879 yours was a big bucket at the end, like you 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.040 could handle whatever we gave you. Well, when you take 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.880 a young quarterback, it's more like a cup. You know, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.560 you got to put some some stuff in his cup, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.679 and when it gets to the top, you got to stop, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:48.800 you know what I mean, and then make sure that 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.320 he you know, got has this and he can. 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:51.760 Do it well. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.640 And then okay, so then when he's ready for more 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.800 than you get him a bigger cup and then hopefully 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.359 he ends up with a bucket and you got a 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.600 bunch of stuff in there that you can do well. 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.200 But there's no shortcut. There's no shortcut to it. And 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.800 I think knowing where the players at is really important. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.920 Yeah, it's now some you know a lot of people 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.920 have been talking about, you know, the systems in the NFL. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.119 You got the West Coast system, then you have like 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:23.440 our system, the Charlie Weiss Patriot system, and they say 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:28.800 that the the West Coast system is pretty much it 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.679 protects the quarterback, the offensive linement, help with the protections everyone, 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.800 you know, everyone with the quarterback, you go where the 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.439 ball is supposed to go. It's step system for the receivers. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.200 Is it harder to develop a quarterback in our system, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.119 because that's what people are trying to say, than it 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:46.920 is in the West Coast system. 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.119 I think it depends on the way you look at that. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.199 If the goal is just to. 0:22:55.520 --> 0:23:00.000 Restrict the volume of responsibility that you place on him 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:04.960 right away, then it certainly could be. If at the 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.120 end of the day, your goal is to have him 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:13.720 understand how to handle all the problems and take care 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.040 of those things that come up in the big games 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.080 in order for him to help you win them, then 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:22.840 maybe it's worth it. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:23.280 You know. 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.320 That was always our mindset. Is basically what we're talking 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.119 about here is who's going to do the stuff prior 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.760 to the ball being snapped? Yea, All the quarterbacks have 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:33.240 to do the same thing. Once the ball is in 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.679 their hand. They got to understand what happened relative to 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.840 the protection or the pressures. They have to read the coverage, 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.679 they have to identify a guy that they think is open, 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.680 and make accurate throws and protect the ball like everybody 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.760 does the same thing once the ball snapped. Really, what 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.359 we're talking about is pre snap responsible. 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.439 Pre snap responsibility. That's it. 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.200 And so I always looked at it like a mountain, 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.520 like at the beginning, we're at the bottom, we're trying 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.800 to climb it. And at the beginning when you start 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.960 talking to him about making the calls and setting the 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.720 protections and dealing with the run game and all those 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.080 things that we, you know, we taught our players how 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.720 to do. You know, it's it's harder because it's foreign. 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.639 It's not that they don't understand it, it's just different. 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.399 And so at the beginning, they're at the bottom of 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.200 the mountain. You look up and you're like, God, damn, 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.840 that's a tall mountain, you know. But always felt like, 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.080 as we went through the first year, all right, you're 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.400 getting up the mountain. You know it, I know it, 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.600 we all know it. And then once you get to 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.399 the top of the mountain, now there's nothing left to 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:36.760 climb because you understand it. You understand how to manipulate 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.119 the protection, how to solve your issues in prep with 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:43.280 blood zero and those kind of things, and and and 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.760 just be able to to to do it at a 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.880 high level, you know, because I always thought, like, Okay, Tom, 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.000 everybody knows Tom's won a lot. Well, Tom did it 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.439 that way. Peyton did a lot too. You know, Peyton 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:55.760 won a lot. He did it that way. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:56.080 You know. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.359 I know that pats some you know, in some way, 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.760 shape or form. I'm able to handle some of those 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:05.040 things as well. I just think having the quarterback never 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.040 be responsible for any of that stuff. 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.720 You know, there's some downside to it. 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.879 You know, other people might argue that that's not the case, 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.040 but I would say that, you know, there's there's pros 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:16.920 and cons to both. 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:17.280 You know. 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.639 I love the I love the idea of having the 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.720 quarterback able to understand it all. 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.800 I really do. I mean I did too. That's quarterback. 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.560 That's what you paid all goddamn money, you know, fun 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.840 five million dollars. Nowaday, can we talk about the game 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.240 day fit? What do you mean what you wear? Yeah? Well, 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.359 like for coaches, what what you know? Did I worked? 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.720 I wore two things specifically, what I like it. Yeah, 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.840 maybe that's the Josh McDaniels vice. And I wore two things. 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.080 I did two things specifically. 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.200 The reason I did it was so my kids, because 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.639 we all look the same. Yeah, you go out there 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.080 and you have the same exact outfit, and it's like 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:55.919 when you have like a seven year old and a 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.320 nine year old and you know, and they're up there 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.080 in the stands and you know, somebody trying to So 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.960 initially I did the white visor and the white long sleeves, 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.240 you know, And that was the two things that I 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:06.600 told him. 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.760 I said, I'll that's you can see me. And then 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:10.440 then it just. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.119 Stuck and it answers the other question that air monarchs 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:13.960 are just dad swag? 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.560 Is dad swag? Is? It is? What it is? I was, 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.800 I was, I was, I was. 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.960 You know, orthotics and everything I had. Guys, I hate 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.000 the I hate the narrow shoe like it drives me crazy. 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.680 I was right there with you. We were just messing around. 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:36.400 Now, this is our guy, Jeff Angler, Angler, Angler, so Angler, 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.200 this is this guy who makes orthotics. 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.440 Let me just tell you he comes up. The first off, 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.440 these orthotics are like thirty grand each. They're like that's 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.240 that's he's going over the top. Well for you, they're 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.439 probably be cheaper, but there, Yeah, the team was probably 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.520 know he was a cup of smaller. He made more 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.560 money than I did. But he would he would roll 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.560 up to Foxboro. He's from Pittsburgh. He rolled up in 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.520 his motor home and he'd bring out all these contraptions 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.440 and stuff and he'd be making your your your orthotics 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.000 like there was some band, like there's drills and drills, 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.879 but he'd be making tar and ship in like the 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.479 parking lot, which is like fully illegal. I don't know. 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.639 I went to his house once to do so. You 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.359 know how he does a mold to your feet. Yeah, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.080 So I got to his office and he has literally, 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.920 when I tell you, he's got like if someone ever 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:29.639 broke in there, I'm God blessed. 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:31.160 Don't don't let that happen. 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.320 He's got people's feet. 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.879 That you wouldn't even imagine. Like I was looking at 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:37.879 him all and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.200 Like we're talking like I mean, it's like, you. 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.240 Know, Ray Lewis and this guy and a golfer and 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:45.760 an NBA player and I'm not going to name it, 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.439 but it's like okay, and it was like it was 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.800 like I'm literally hundreds hundreds of feet molds. 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:53.760 Rex Ryan would have loved it. Yeah, he would have 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:54.160 loved it. 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:55.960 Bro, you make him sound like the Walter White of 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.720 orthotics cooking up. 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.600 That's exactly what he was. He literally would roll up 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.680 in a motor home and he'd be cooking up these 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:05.040 guy damn orthotics in the back. 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.760 Well we were how many of us were hooked on that? 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.320 Like we didn't want to We don't want to get 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:10.200 them from anybody else. 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.280 Oh you couldn't. I still don't. Yeah, I me. I 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.960 still get them not making as much. Oh yeah, all right, 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.280 just stay in the Rebuk sixteen people on here we 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.280 got This is a segment Josh, when we go back 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.480 into time around January tenth, twenty fifteen. We talk about 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.240 pop culture. We talk about pop culture. Remember one movie 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:34.040 was taking three of yours. I mean, if you have. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.440 As good as taking one, but I mean no, But. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.720 I think all these movies are pretty much they're just taking. Yeah, 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.640 and I watch them all and I love them. I'm 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:43.720 entertained every time. 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:47.960 He uses that that voice when he talks, I'm going 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:48.720 to give you an option. 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.160 That's exactly right. It's like a low voice and it's 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.040 like you just feel like you're going to let my 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.160 doughta go. That's right where I'm going to come and 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.960 find you very specific set of skills, exactly, that's right. 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.520 The number one song All about the Bass by Megan Trainer. 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.560 Daughter likes that song. It's all lot about that your 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.560 daughter does. Yeah, it's crazy. It's I know my daughters 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.080 liked it back then. It's it started. You know, we 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.800 just hit on the kid bop version, my boy, so 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.400 we don't we don't have to hit it. Hear anything 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.560 about booties and stuff, that's right, you know. Around this time, 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.360 David Letterman says goodbye after thirty three years night of 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.680 the Late Night Show that he was he was a 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.320 stud I never I don't. I didn't realize it was 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.240 this late. I thought it was more like early two thousands, 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:33.480 because when you were going on Late Show, it was 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.640 already Colbert, right, we went Colbert and then Allen Fallen. 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.520 So you didn't go on till literally after this year. 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.680 Yeah, after this year, after this year. Wow, he was great. 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.120 He was left Shark sweeps the Internet after Katie pe 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.960 one of those things like this. See you're kind of 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.400 like trying to do your old David either Day David 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.760 Letterman thing. I mean, you watch you got to watch 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.760 all the great look at them Our's third David Letterman. 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:06.880 There you go. W N Some great movies that came 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:11.640 out this year. American Sniper, The Hobbit, Battle of Five Armies, Interstellar, 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.560 all in theaters. I didn't see The Hobbit or the 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.480 I didn't see that American Sniper. Yeah, I saw that. 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:18.760 It was badass. That was a good movie. 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.640 He made so many pump up videos for you using 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:22.800 the Interstellar soundtrack. 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:24.320 You love that right around this time. 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.640 So these guys when he was playing, Yeah, these were guys. 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.200 We were around for a while. I've been around too long. 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.920 He needed he needed you to be making pump up videos. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.480 I think I was making these these yes, highlight films. 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:35.480 I thought I thought you. 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.000 I thought you would race out of the building after 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.880 treatment and go home and like make a highlight video 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:41.320 of yourself. 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.400 Absolutely to Interstellar, Interstellar. Have you heard Hans Zimmer. He's 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.400 gonna be in LA next week or New York. I 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.760 want to go see him. He's a great soundtrack guy, 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:51.800 is he? Yeah? 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.680 Would would you see any of the content that he 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.640 would be putting out, like when he was playing. 0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:01.080 No good good nothing, no nothing never, not even growing 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:02.840 pets on what on what? 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.280 The only thing I saw, The only thing I saw 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.560 that you did was that you and Dola were the 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:09.560 police officers. 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.440 I saw that. I did see that. Yeah, what did 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.200 you see? You know, you see them all, and you 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.320 see them all. You got kids come up. 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.719 To be like My kids probably saw more than I did. Actually, 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.040 my kids there were I was leaving and they were like, 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.720 where are you going. I said, I'm going to Julian's 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.640 and they're like for what. I'm like, I'm like, I'm 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:30.680 going to do his podcast. 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.880 Like what are you really? Oh yeah, they're all excited. 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:41.800 They probably have seen that. Little McNuggets, Little McNuggets. What's 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.520 life like for Josh McDaniels in twenty fourteen. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:49.920 During this time, I had four and I so my 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.000 littlest one just turned two, and then I had a 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:59.000 two of four, an eight, and a ten. So I 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.880 was in it, it in it, you know, and so, 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.440 and all of them are in grade school or not 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.720 yet in school. So those are good times. I mean, 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.080 you know when you had one but I mean like 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.160 those are cool times. There's not as much drama. Yeah, 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.000 you know, they're not into problems. They you know, have 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:19.800 minor issues. 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.880 Being a coach is tough man, you know, like having 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.360 to deal with those problems and then having to deal 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.520 with you know, the team. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.400 Took two of mine to the Super Bowl this year, 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.520 and that was the last time I did that, last 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.680 time that I took two. Why because the other two 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.239 were two and four? Yeah, So I'm like I I 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.320 you know, and then they all started going. You pay 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.360 three thousand dollars for them to watch like, you know, Mowana, 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.880 you know four times, you know what I mean, Like 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.600 it's the most expensive movie you've ever seen in your life. 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.760 So when we went to when we went to Houston 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:55.240 to play Atlanta, the night, you know, the night after 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.120 you win the championship game is so like you're having 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.719 all these conversations, right who you to get the tickets 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.160 to and who's coming and all that. And we were 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:04.480 sitting on the couch and I was like, what do 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.320 you want to do the girls? I'm like, just let's 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.760 just bring them all whatever. And so like we have 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.800 we have pictures like there, they have their iPads right, 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.120 thank god they were allowed to bring them in, you know, 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.040 and then headsets and they're just watching the games going on, 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.480 you know what I mean, Like, you know, but at 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.520 least after the game you have those memories, you know. 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.440 Those are great memories. Yeah, man, you seen all the 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:33.240 media Butterfly now Bill on TV lately. I've seen them 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:33.840 a little bit. 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.239 I haven't seen like I mean, I saw him on 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.600 the draftee some of the draft with McAfee. I haven't 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.400 seen the recent McAfee's have been doing some other stuff, 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.520 but I mean I know he's doing a few things right. 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.920 Inside the NFL, inside the NF podcast. 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.840 Yeah yeah, McAfee, McAfee. So the first second week in September, 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:53.880 it will be a big week. 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.480 You know, yeah everywhere. 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.080 Two hardest fucking people, the two hardest people to get 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.720 on my goddamn podcast, Bill fucking a check guy that 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.640 I took a lot of pigs, nice nice pig days 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.800 for right, nice paydays. And then Tom. I knew you're 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.959 gonna say, I can imagine Tom. Yeah, it was so tough. 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.479 But you know they'll go do McAfee show. Yeah. 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:15.759 Coincidentally, you see them, but they're the guys, you see 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.840 the most every every stinking podcast. He's getting a haircut 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.400 on a podcast. 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.759 Tom, I mean, what are we doing? What do we 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.200 need to do? What? 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.240 What does your podcast need to do? 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:27.120 You know, I don't know. 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:28.239 We might need your help. 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.879 We might we might need you to text me. That's 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.520 what I was asking you. You know, like you know 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.080 I haven't you haven't you. 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.640 Have a board, like a board of trustees for this show, 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.160 and the. 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.359 Board Ernie, Ernie is our guy. 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.680 I like he remember the crew at this point. 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.320 What's what's your craziest Ernie story, Ernie? 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.160 Well, I mean, that's that's a long there's some there's 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:02.160 a long list of us. Well, the when he took 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:09.160 the header before we played Atlanta, Like he took the header, 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.840 and the best was when he came back out and 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.239 he was bandaged like like a war like a. 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.520 Hero, and it was like we're still in practice. Remember 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.840 when he came back out, all the players started like 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.719 clapping for him, the slow clap for I was like, I. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:27.879 Was like, what is going on? 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.200 I remember he was bleeding. 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.759 So then that night, you know, we practiced on it 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:34.520 and then every night we had a staff meeting, right 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:36.360 we go to the staff meeting. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.799 Ern still got the bandage. He's still bandaged up. Like 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.560 it was like it was like a mass unit, the 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.680 same frestage. I don't know, I'm not going to comment 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.880 on that. I didn't change it, but I know this, 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.520 he still had the bandage, you know. 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:50.879 What I mean? 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.480 Like I would have got out of the bandage and 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.680 maybe put like you know, like like I don't know 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.279 what I would have put on, but it was, yeah, 0:35:58.280 --> 0:35:59.360 like a hat or something. 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.320 But he was like, no, I'm gonna keep wearing the banded. 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.680 Hey, you gotta gotta you gotta coach Hurt. Yeah, you 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:04.600 gotta coach Hurt. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.440 And is funny because you know, in a I have 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.359 a couple, Ernie. So when we were in the pre 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.600 the night before the Super Bowl in eleven, so we're 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.760 in the meeting, the staff meeting. This is the final 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.719 staff meeting prior to game day. 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.359 This is evening. You guys are curfew supper last up. Right, 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:28.240 there's a phone that rings. 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.239 Bill started to talk already, right, and that's when he's 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.440 like making like he's basically like, this is the last 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.360 thing we're going to talk about, right, and the phone rings, 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.640 and I'm like you know, at that point, you're just 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.239 hoping it in yours, right, And I always had mine 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.439 off anyway, So I'm like, Okay, I'm good. 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.919 And then I look over to the left and it's 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:53.239 Ernie's and he answers it like Bill's literally like where 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.600 you're at, and I'm where Ernie is and he he 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.839 he like looks down, he grabs it, looks at the phone, 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.920 then he flips it up and he started talking, and 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:05.040 I think it was Christine and he's like, he's like, 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.520 you know, tells her like basically. 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:08.640 He's in a meeting and I'll call her back. 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.760 And I'm going like, I'm like, there's only one person 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:16.600 in that staff meeting that could have done that and 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.800 not gotten like the death stare. And it was Ernie, 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.160 because if I'd have done that, Bill would have looked. 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.160 At me and wanted to just kill me. Oh my god. 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.879 But it literally he hung the phone up and I'm going, 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.160 oh my god, and Bill just kept going, just kept 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.040 going out. Then he put it. 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.080 He hated the whole like, you know, like the Nike 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.239 you know, you know he loved this read these rebox shoes. 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.840 Good good brand. Yeah, he loved these rebox shoes. 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.440 So when the league came out and made us wear Nike, 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:49.359 he just put tape over the Reebok logo on game 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:53.400 day and or his old rebacks for like fifteen years 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.239 or whatever whenever we went to Nike. 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:56.279 I don't remember when that was. 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.839 He's superstitious on the on the low because he wore 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.120 the same shit all the time, all the time, all 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.160 the time, all the time. Let's go back. 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:05.920 Well before we do that, what we're talking, Ernie, I'd 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.680 love to know two things from you. What was the 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.319 best nugget Ernie ever gave you? And what was the 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:11.880 worst nugget he ever gave you. 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.600 There won't be any worst nuggets, honestly, because he never 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.240 really he shared stuff with me, like he had video 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:26.000 and things from Montana like doing drill work, and he 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:32.360 really he was he had so much knowledge about almost everything, 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:42.560 you know, and so he really footwear, quarterback, play situations, adjustments. 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.319 He was just he always helped, always helped. 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:50.560 It wasn't always like like fifteen things, but there was like. 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.520 You mean to tell me, there hasn't been one Ernie 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.040 Card where you're sitting there, Ernie Card, Oh, well, that's 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.120 not a nugget. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:05.399 If you're talking about Ernie cards, that's a whole different story. Yeah, 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.080 he was, does anybody do the viewers your car? 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.520 So Ernie would, he would, he would do all the 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:12.840 defensive cards right. 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:17.400 On Thursdays and it started on Fridays, That's when it started. 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.640 So it was like Bill would say, I got the 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.719 cards on Thursday night in the staff meeting, which meant 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.040 Ernie had them because Bill wasn't gonna draw him. Yeah, 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.319 you know, he had other things to do, and so 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.520 Ernie's Ernie's So Ernie would. 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:30.879 Draw the cards. 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.480 And it was like so we you know, as an offense, 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.400 we didn't know what was coming. Kind of more preparing, 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.600 you like to get ready for the game. Mike get 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.399 a blitz heer, Mike get coverage, Mike get something else, 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.160 who knows, and he he would always take it off 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:49.719 of like something they did. But there was times where like, 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.080 you know, as an offensive coordinator, you're like, we've had 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.600 a pretty good week so far, and like the last 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.759 thing you're looking for is like an absolute disaster on 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:02.920 Friday's practice, right, Yeah, No, they weren't. Fast Fridays in 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:07.440 New England were Championship Friday Championship May Championship Friday, and 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.080 so we would go. We would like, you know, we 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.839 would he would hand us the cards and I would 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.560 just ask one of the QC's like, do we have 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.760 any grenades in there? 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:16.560 You know what I mean? 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.279 Because they would like flip through it and he'd be like, yeah, 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:20.399 there's a few, you know what I mean. 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.920 It's just like, oh, man, what are we doing the defense? 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.000 And Tom, you know, Tom hated it. 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.080 Oh, he'd be like, that's not they don't. 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.359 Do that, you know what I mean, just like legitimately, 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:31.640 like get angry about it. 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.759 And I would be like, just let it, got it right, 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.880 let it go. I mean, we we get a play 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.560 call from when the defensive coordinator did it back at 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.239 UOP in nineteen eighty two when he was a defensive coordinator. 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.960 Quality control guy ran a blitz zero in this one 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.640 like the one time it was ever called in the 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.920 history of the game. But that guy was associated with it. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.920 So we did it back. Do you have like a 0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.719 marketing deal with these guys? Yeah? Clean, clean, clean, little 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.520 little electrolates in there to get keep that that water 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.360 in your muscle. Look at you, pH levels just have 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.600 less muscles. Now I'm older, I'm almost fifty. No, you're not. 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:11.799 I'm forty eight. 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.800 You look good, you're good man, I'm almost fifty. 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:16.600 Like Richard Green. 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.600 My little girl the other day, she looks she she 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.640 heard me say that because somebody had asked me how 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.759 old it was, and she stopped for a minute and 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.480 she's like, you mean to tell me in twenty two years, 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:28.600 you're going to be seventy. 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.280 And I was like when she said that, I was like, whoa. 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.319 I'm like, that's that's not that far away. Twenty two is. 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.399 Not like that's a long long time. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.480 I don't know, but I mean that, like like she 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.080 went right to the seventy marker on me. I'm going like, 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:44.080 can I get to fifty? 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:45.760 First? Seventy birds? 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:47.879 How old are you now? Thirty eight? 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:49.879 You got a little grays in there, I'm Gray's heck, 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:51.239 look at you distinguished. 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.800 Yeah, I'm trying to be like you guys like Richard 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:58.520 g Richard Greer, baby, you know, George cleaning, Richard gear, Richard. 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.280 Whatever is there, it's your gear. 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.040 There we go. We'll be right back after this quick break. 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.560 Sports World. In twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, we were the 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:19.920 Super Bowl champ. Yeah, baby MVP was Aaron Rodgers always 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:25.239 had those MVPs National he had won ring fifteen years ago. 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:31.239 National champions were Ohio State Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota. 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.040 Shout out to Oregon Ducks, Baby, Oregon Ducks. Where's he 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:39.439 at now? Washington, Washington, someone's been waiting watching. He didn't 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.840 play last week. Nowhere, he didn't play last night. No, No, 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:48.719 he's back. That's that's the best job in football, being 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.839 a known backup guy. 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:55.960 So you gotta play until you gotta play. 0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:02.040 Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John's Molds and Craig Bigio all 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.040 inducted the Hall of Fity year. That's a year. That's 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:09.160 a crew. American Pharaoh became the twelfth horse and the 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.960 first since nineteen seventy eight to win the Triple Crown. 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.000 That was that long ago. That's crazy. We were at 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.400 that race and the Derby. That's not the last new 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.680 pictures of you at that race. I remember. I think 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.600 a lot of people have pictures of us at that race. 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:23.160 I definitely do. 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.520 Were you there, No, never been because it was usually 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:28.360 right around the draft. 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.560 Yeah, it's almost always on the coaching staff. Were kind 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.240 of horse race guys. So I was wondering, it's always 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.120 on draft weekend. It's hard for us to know. We 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.040 don't even know who's playing. 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:42.799 Who's on what? What's on? Second? Now, the US. 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:44.960 International team is this Brandy? 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.000 Is this one? Brandy? No? This is for That was 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:48.800 in like two thousand. 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.840 That was like two I was like, did an episode 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.200 with her? Awesome? 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.640 That was awesome. But this is when we defeated Japan 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.160 five to two to win the World Cup. Didn't we 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.759 lose the year before or the year after let me 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.840 double check or the year after? This was like the 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:13.240 redeem ref talk. Ron Witter and Scott Green retired prior 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.200 to this season. Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite? I 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.840 like Gene Jean? Yeah, that was your favorite? That was 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.440 my favorite? You don't like Jeene? I do? 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.960 I really like Jane Jeans. Jean Jean's great. Geane had 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.640 a kid that went to Kent John Perry, Perry. 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:30.560 He was cool. 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.400 I really like Van I thought he just doesn't he 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.439 just does such a good job of like the game 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:37.200 just keeps going. 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.680 Yeah, I'll tell you. I don't like What's Who's the guy? 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.919 Scott Novac just looks like a principal. He just looks 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.880 like he might be. He probably is. Range judge I 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.359 have they all have jobs. Not a hocolaue guy either, 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.319 not a hockey guy. Yeah. He got too loud, with 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.120 too much, with it too much. I like talk under 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.360 the hanging off of him. Can if you looking like 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.160 a linebacker, barely get his false smart? Can we get 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:08.000 some pliability in those arms? Suit? Come on, Hydra, he's 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.840 just like above Cleete Blakeman. Come on, bro a buff Lakeman. 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.680 Oh my god, I love deeper that. 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.440 You laughed at his joke. He's a he's a McDaniel's head. 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:20.719 I'm a stand brod. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.239 He's not gonna. He's gonna when you leave after this, 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:29.080 He's like, you guys heard laugh my joke? All right? 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.839 What teams? Uh? What teams know? How did you grow 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.320 up liking? You're from Camdon You're talking about like pro 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:37.200 and college? Who did you? 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.759 When I was a young I mean, it was hard 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.920 not to like. It was hard not to support. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.279 Ohio State and the Browns because of where I grew up. 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.680 But my favorite college football team back then was the 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:52.840 Florida State Seminoles. 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:57.440 Seminals loved, loved Charlie Ward. He was the quarterback. 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.319 Casey Weldon was before him, and then Charlie Warre and 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.680 I just I rooted for Bobby Bowden to eventually get 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.360 over the hump and beat Miami and win a national championship, 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:08.759 and they did eventually. 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.120 But that was my favorite college football team. 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.239 You get some Snoop Menace talk on this spot, some 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:16.440 what Snoop Menace? 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.200 Who's a national championship game? When they beat Virginia Tech. 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.279 No, that's what that was. After that, that was with 0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.000 Peter Warwick. Okay, that was the one. 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:26.879 The one in ninety four, I think it was when 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:31.960 they won and they had Kes McCorvey and Tomorrow Vanover 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.880 and Kevin Knox and those guys were playing. 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.880 They were a beast in football. The football game n 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.959 CUAA ninety four are good victocy That year I forgot 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.239 about that was that Mark rickt was yes year. 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.080 Before he went to Georgia. Yeah, that was my favorite team. 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.880 And then, honestly, I don't know why I had like 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.560 kind of like an affinity for the Lions. That was 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:56.280 back when Eric Kramer and they actually did some decent things. 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:56.840 Back there with Barry. 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:58.840 Barry was hard not to like when you got to 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.839 see Barry on TV, like that was like musty TV. 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:06.200 Yeah, Barry Sanders, Yeah he was. He was unreal. That's 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.799 who every kid wanted to be just. 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:10.920 Watching him play with such his running style was so 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.239 different than everybody else, I mean, and his legs were 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.759 just so massive, and he the way he cut on 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:20.480 astro turf was like illegal. 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:24.160 Yeah, and he just he too liked the physics. Literally 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.920 he walked away from the game. He was still healthy 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.160 and he could have played. And I watched the thing 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.200 on him. He seems like a great dad and stuff. 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.440 You know him and his relationship with his dad was 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.600 always a little weird. It wasn't weird, Like he loved 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:39.399 his dad, but his dad was always kind of tough 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:39.839 on him. 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:41.839 Yeah, Like always said that he was the third best 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.520 running back of all time behind Jim Brown and him, 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:48.439 and then he he would do publicly, he would say 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.520 she had the third best running back of all time 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:57.680 behind Jim Brown and me. Jim. Now you you coached 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.120 at Michigan State. You got just for one year? For 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.560 one year? Was sabing? Was that part of ready? Right 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.759 after I graduated from Carol And so did did you 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.759 think Nick gave you a recommendation of. 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.560 Bill, Sure, I don't, I mean, I can't. 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:13.240 Yeah. 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.960 Brian, So, Brian was a second year GA. I was 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.160 a first year GA. So he was a year older 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.759 than me, Brian dab dable. So when I got there, 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.560 Brian was already in his second year and so I 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:26.600 was in my first year. 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.640 So that was a huge experience. 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.640 For me because coming to New England with Bill after 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.200 being with Nick, it didn't seem like such a like 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.399 a oh my gosh, yeah, you know what I mean, 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.880 because I'd already like, all right, I know what this 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:41.279 is like. 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.000 You know, after having been with Nick. What are the 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.879 similarities and differences Nick is? 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:53.120 Nick is not afraid to really detail it out, you 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:54.600 know what I mean. Like there would be like a 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.160 cover one tip sheet for the DB's that was like 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.160 this thick that's just cover. That's one defense, you know 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.400 what I mean. It's like, holy cow, you know, if 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.480 you do this, do this, you know got that, you know. 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:06.520 And he believed in. 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:11.680 Preparation, preparation, preparation. It was relentless in that regard. 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:17.360 Bill was very much the same, but less like he 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.839 would try to simplify. I thought, you know, as much 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.759 as he could, you know, and we might play cover one, 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.120 but he's not going to overwhelm you with you know, 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:32.120 too much detail. But I mean, honestly, there's their personalities 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.800 are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.360 see in the media, and as you know, it's not 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.920 like that, you know. So it was fun, It was 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.759 really It was great for me to have a chance 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:45.239 to be with Nick before going to. 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:48.160 Bill baptize you into it, no doubt. You know, we 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:53.600 all forget Anakin was the Jedi first. Okay, he was 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.080 a Jedi. There you go, Jackie. Let's break down these Ravens. 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:57.920 Give us a rundown. 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.080 Let's get into these. 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.399 Ravens, get into the game. Okay, this was the year. 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:04.319 The Ravens went ten and six. Is in the Hardbar era, 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:09.200 of course, Gary Kubiak's loan season as OC in Baltimore. Yeah, 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.239 and then on staff, oh yeah. And then on the 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.080 other side of the ball, we have mister Blitz zero himself, 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:15.520 Dean ps Dean p. 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:19.920 That fucking Dan Pan Peece. You remember what Randy Moshi 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.600 said yell at Deep Pries all the time. What do 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:26.440 you used to say? He dps Blitz fucking zero loasting 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:34.920 goddamn ring my goodness, oh man, man, was it plexico? Yes, bro, 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.080 Oh my god, I've still got PTSD from that as 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:37.319 a fan. 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:38.240 Geez. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.080 And now we're talking Nick Say, and we're talking Bama 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:44.719 CJ Mosley's rookie year. He was a beast, Elvis Duomerville, 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:49.360 Terrell Suggs, Sackville twenty nine sacks that year. We're in 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.959 the post ray Lewis post ed, Reid Era. Those guys 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.600 left in twenty twelve, we're in twenty fourteen. Here they 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.719 were the sixteen and the AFC going into the playoffs. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.520 And this was a banner year for Joe Flacco, I mean, 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.839 absolutely turned it up, best year of his career through 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:06.680 for twenty seven touchdowns, almost four thousand yards, just bawling out. 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.120 Yeah, backed up by Tyrod. This is a good team. 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:11.920 Heck of a team, bro, Steve Smith. 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:15.560 Really good team, really tough, really well coached, and they 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.520 had a lot of info on us, like we had, 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.040 you know, played enough and it was like, you know, 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:25.799 twenty twelve AC Championship Game, twenty thirteen, we went there 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.359 and played them twenty fourteen, you know. 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.000 And dating back to my rookie year, yeah. Nine. 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:32.520 I mean there was a lot of. 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:36.239 Like rivalry people this is this was a rivalry are 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.839 a good eight years, no doubt. We you know, it 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:44.040 was like us, it was our out of division rival 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:48.359 It usually bounced from them to the Colts, then went 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.200 to Denver. Yeah, but they had a huge chunk of that. 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.200 Yeah, I mean, it just you knew it was going 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.520 to be a challenge to beat him. 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:57.640 It's a great organization. 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:01.840 They're really well coached, you know, and they were stable, 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.319 you know, like it wasn't like things were fluctuating all 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.760 the time, like who's the coach. You know, we played 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.799 against the Jets and the Bills, and it was like, 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.879 you know, every every few years, it felt like you're 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.800 getting you know, used to like, all right, this is 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.680 the new coach. He hired these two new coordinators, so 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.960 the system's going from this to something else. And it 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.640 was like for these guys, there was a lot of 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:29.160 consistency and stability, and so they were able to accumulate 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:33.400 a lot of knowledge on us. We had basically the 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:38.919 same situation, you know, you know, going into to playing them, 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.800 and so I just felt like familiarity breeds contempt a 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.560 little bit, and so we had played so many games 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:47.680 against them, and it was like, Okay, here we go again. 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.520 Like Sugs. I could still hear Suggs on the field, 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:54.000 like when we would when we would say a code word. 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.640 You know, Suggs was one of him and Lewis and 0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:01.920 Reid obviously were incredible, but they were also incredibly intelligent 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.440 and so like yeah, and so like you're yelling a 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.440 word and then he's going, it's going on, It's going 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.120 over there, It's going there, and I'm like, gosh, dang, 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.680 like we got to switch everything, you know what I mean. 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.759 And it's like it's such a pain in the butt 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:15.799 when you're dealing with that. 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.120 But they were tough. 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.799 They were physical, as you know, we prided ourselves on 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:26.320 being the same way, and you know, so we played 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:27.560 a similar. 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.160 Style of football, if you will. 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.000 Both wanted to be good in the kicking game. You know, 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:34.560 both took a lot of pride and a lot of 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.600 scrimmage turnovers. 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:37.520 It was all those things. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.160 So it was almost like you're playing, you know, a 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.759 close relative, you know, And even though they weren't in 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.000 our division, we played them a lot, so it felt 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.359 like they were and you know, they always talked about 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.000 how they weren't they didn't fear us and all that. 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.280 I don't you know, I don't know why anybody would 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:59.080 fear playing somebody else, But like they talked about it 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.520 a lot, and and you know so and they got. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:06.040 Us a couple of times. Yeah, I know this game 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:10.200 isn't it didn't have ray or ed, But can you 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.080 can you talk to the listener about having to try 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:14.680 to prepare against those two guys. 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:19.319 Yeah, that's I'm sure like when you talk about a 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.240 defensive coordinator trying to get ready for Manning or Brady, 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.960 you know, those guys that were really intelligent and could 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.680 play the game in their mind too. That's what that 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.920 felt like when you were getting ready to play. Read 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:41.279 Lewis Suggs to me, there's not that many teams that 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.960 I've coached against where I would say that there was 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:48.200 the volume of players that they had at one time 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:53.880 that were as instrumental in terms of knowing what was coming, 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:59.920 seeing the formation, overplaying tendencies, being able to adjust, getting. 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.160 Their team mates in the right position. 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:05.560 It was really hard to you know, because as a coach, 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:07.680 you want to prepare your team as best you can. 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:08.960 You also want to try. 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.240 To scheme some success. 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.640 So it's not like make you know, good luck jewels, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.799 you know, get out there and get them on every play. Like, 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.040 there's definitely places where it's like, all right, jewels, you're 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.120 gonna got to come through here, and you came through 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.799 you know a ton. It's just you want to try 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.040 to help your players as much as you can by 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:30.680 giving them something that's like, Okay, this is gonna work, 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.080 and it's it's gonna not trick the defense, but there's 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.279 gonna be an element, a little foreshadowing. 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:37.959 There's gonna be a little you. 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:41.000 Know, a little you know where it's simpler to have 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:41.720 some success. 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.680 And it was hard against them. It just wasn't That 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:47.520 was not simple. Yeah, it wasn't simple. 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:51.960 I just remember anytime we'd play ed Reed or bray Lewis, 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.239 Bill would show like a twenty play cut up on 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.399 just both of those. There'd be a thirty minute team presentation, 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.120 like to start the day of just a highlight of 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.480 these two. This guy will fucking blow you up, like 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.839 just that kind of shit. Yeah, oh, cover three, that's 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.279 what you thought, And like Edward agreed to be in 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:13.879 the second, you know what I mean, Like. 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.799 His favorite thing to say to us was that they 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:20.040 don't need to play with safety defense because they just 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.560 played post safety and Ed covers both sides of the field. 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:24.799 And it may and it like got in your head 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.759 as like I'm like, you know, as a coach, you're like, oh, man, 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:29.319 like can we throw it back there? 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.040 Or no? Ever? You know what I mean? 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:33.880 Like I remember Tom, like we'd have conversations and it 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.600 was always part of the conversation. 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:38.920 But that that's that's a tribute to the greatness of 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:39.360 the player. 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.040 Yeah, because when you're looking at him going he can 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:45.239 cover everything back there and you're thinking about that, that 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:48.480 makes you question whether or not you know, you can 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.319 do something. Oh yeah, Bill loved ed Reid, didn't he 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:52.520 like just loved it, loved him. 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.160 Where does he rank on the all time Mount Rushmore 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.800 of like guys that weren't Patriots that Bill loved high 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.080 I was gonna say, I always that. 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:06.040 Weren't patriots that he didn't coach. There's a caveat there. 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.520 Lawrence Taylor would be there is no Mount Rushmore. 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.560 There's Lawrence and then then there's the Mountain. 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:18.480 Yeah that's Ed Reed is he's on. 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.680 He's in, He's in the Mount Rushmore. 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:22.120 Is there anybody else in there? 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:22.760 Yeah? 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:27.680 I mean ed was Edward was such like Troy. 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:30.800 They were different players. Edred was a completely different player 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:34.280 than Troy. You know, we ended well, hell we ended 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:36.440 up with a lot of the guys that he loved 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:42.240 Rodney Junior, Like it was like if we loved him enough, 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.400 we would try to get him like Randy. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.479 But like I'm just saying, like there was some show. 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:49.200 There's a love show. 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:52.920 All the miked up clips with them talking ship to 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:54.560 each other pregame, it's, oh. 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:56.760 Yeah, yeah, he's something. 0:57:56.880 --> 0:58:00.280 But that's that's what happened. That, Like you know, like 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.000 you you you like them enough. 0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:04.840 I don't know, I never made those kind of I 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:06.080 like these two guys like you're dating. 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.760 It's like you're dating, like you know, you. 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.480 Chilling right now? Okay, chilling, we're chilling chilling on that. Now. 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.040 What's the breakdown of this defense? What do you remember 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:24.880 from this game? Planned? Deps? Dean? Was you played coach? 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.200 Yeah, he he coached against us a long time, so 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:28.520 or with us a long time. 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:28.960 So he knew. 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:31.760 Like I think a lot of gets too much, gets 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.640 overblown about that kind of stuff. But he obviously knew 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.840 some of the things we did, so that was hard 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:41.160 to like really get them on that kind of stuff. 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.200 The element of surprise is usually out with just your 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.040 fundamental stuff. Yeah, it's just tough, you know, because they've 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:48.800 seen it so much. 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:56.280 This was probably the most physical and physically tough team 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.400 we would play. You know, now we played C at 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:04.120 the end and they were very similar. But up to 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.280 this point this was as tough physically of a football 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:10.200 team on defense that we'd played, no doubt about it. 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:11.000 It wasn't like. 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:17.680 The most skilled, like you know, super speedy that it 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:20.560 wasn't about quickness and that was not them. 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:23.960 This was about hitting you in the face. And they 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:27.480 didn't let you run the ball. They crushed the pocket. 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:31.480 Crushed the pocket if you head onto the ball. Hellodia 0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:34.440 was young, Nada was on the team. They had I 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.520 mean na A Jern again. I remember Jern again hit 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:40.320 Tommy the one time and almost I mean he knocked him, 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.960 he knocked his wind out of him. But but then 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.480 it was like they had all those big guys like 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:49.960 Dumerville who played mostly in sub and Suggs who played 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:50.600 all the time. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:52.320 But then it was like they. 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:57.800 Had that that multitude of guys like Upshaw, McClellan, McPhee 0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:00.760 that were bigger, like they didn't even belong in the 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:04.120 category of linebacker, you know, it was like a defensive end, 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:06.080 you know. And so they would put them all out 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.760 there in passing situations and then it was like if 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:10.760 they didn't get an edge quick, it was just power. 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:13.480 And they just brought everybody to the quarterback. 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:15.919 And so we knew we couldn't hold the ball along 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.800 running it was going to be difficult. And they were 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.040 the best red zone defense we had played all season 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:27.040 to that point by far. And so I remember on 1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:31.240 Tuesday of this week, Bill had a conversation with me, 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.680 and these were always tricky conversations and it wasn't the 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:39.160 only time we had it, but he said, I don't 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.560 you know, I don't know how much time we want 1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:44.280 to spend messing around in the running game. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:45.960 You know. 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.920 He's like, I just don't you know, I don't think 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.320 we're going to win the game that way. That's not 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.000 where our strength lies, that's not where our advantage is. 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:58.840 And so he was willing, you know, whenever he always 1:00:58.840 --> 1:00:59.560 said something. 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.080 Like that to me, always say like, okay, well tell me, 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:02.960 what what does that mean? 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:05.360 Like, do you not want me to put any runs in? 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:06.560 Like ever? 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:10.720 No, well, no, I'm not saying that, you know, Like, 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.320 but I mean, like I don't think I want to 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:15.480 spend a lot of time running the ball, you know. 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:17.880 So then then I then he'd like leave and I'm like, 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:22.360 I still don't know. I still know like what I'm 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:25.240 doing here, you know. But then but but I'll say this, 1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:30.760 like this is one of the unspoken things did. I 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:35.960 think our players did an incredible job of and they 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:38.720 did it because I think Bill taught him how to 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:42.400 do it. Was in a bit as big a game 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:47.880 as this was, we're going to say we're not doing this, 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:50.800 and you could you could get your feelings hurt if 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:54.000 you were like an offensive lineman or the full back 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.800 or a half back. You're like, wait a minute, Like, 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:58.280 what do you mean We're not going to run the ball. 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:03.800 We're not even gonna try, you know, and why because 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:08.640 our advantage was in the passing game, and that's the 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.400 way we felt best about winning. 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:12.360 Like it'd be like the Celtics. 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:14.960 The Celtics are one of the best three point shooting 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.720 teams in NBA history, right, well, they're not going to 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:19.760 just pound the ball in the paint all day and 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:23.320 hope that they can win inside, you know, against the 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.800 Nuggets or whoever they play, you know, they're gonna they're 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:27.680 gonna do what they do and beat you with skill 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:31.920 and speed and shooting and all. And that's basically what 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:35.000 he was saying was, look, we can try it. 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:36.680 And we had a couple a couple. 1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:40.200 I think we only ran seven times, you know, and 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:42.080 that was literally just to kind of like give me 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:45.320 a playoff to think about the next pass. Honestly, that's 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.440 about what it was, because it was like we did 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:50.160 not go into it thinking we were gonna run thirty 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:50.720 six runs. 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:51.160 We weren't. 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:53.200 We were only going to run a couple here and 1:02:53.240 --> 1:02:55.080 there and then throw it the rest of the game. 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:59.480 But you guys were able to hear that, and we 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:02.000 would try to say it in the right way so 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:04.720 where like guys would go, Okay, I understand while we're 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:08.200 doing this, let's buy into what we're doing and be 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.479 really good at that, and let's go win the game well. 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:13.840 With without a doubt. And you know, that's something that 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:17.280 was on the wall when you'd walk in mental toughness 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:19.320 doing what's best for the team when it isn't necessarily 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.920 best for you. That was something that we all knew 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:24.960 going into every game that we were a game plan offense. 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:27.560 So there were times where we didn't run the ball, 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:29.600 or where I had to run a bunch of go 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:32.760 routes and clear out routes and all these routes and 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:37.040 very few times all these routes, you know, right, all 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.080 these you know, those kind of routes, but you know 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.040 it was all for a reason, because we were a 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:43.440 game plan offense. To get back to it, and you know, 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:46.880 that's very different than a team that does what they do. 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.400 There's like that. It's like teams that are game plan 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.880 teams that are complete, they throw the game plan out 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:55.800 every every post game and then it's all brand new. 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.680 That's kind of what we tried to do. And then 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:00.520 there was teams that did what they did. You know, 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:04.160 Steelers on defense, they run the same cover fucking four 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:07.400 for the last twenty years. You know, So like it's 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.479 one of those things. But that's tough, and that takes 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:12.000 a lot of trust for coaching staff in the players 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:14.840 right that can handle that, you know, and we just 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.800 so happened to always That's what the types of teams 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.560 we had, guys that you know, understood that it. 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:25.080 Was tough to go in there and tell like Dante, yeah, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.680 you know, like you know, because you're having this conversation 1:04:27.720 --> 1:04:30.280 and you're like, Okay, well here we go, Like now 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:31.840 I'm not I'm gonna go I'm about to go in 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:33.880 there and tell the offensive line coach he's like one 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:35.960 of the best offensive line coaches in the history of 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:38.400 pro football, that we are not going to run the 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:41.200 ball in this game, you know what I mean, And 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:43.520 you've got to try to finesse it, you know what 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.240 I mean. It's kind of like telling your wife you 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:49.240 want to go on like an extended golf trip, you 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.000 know what I mean, Like, Hey, I would like to 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:54.280 go to Ireland with who, you know what I mean. 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.480 And then you're like and then it's like how long 1:04:56.640 --> 1:04:59.240 and you're kind of like you're tread and water really, 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:01.720 you know. I remember going to talk to Dante about 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:04.800 it and he was like ever, and I'm like no. 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:06.160 So I looked at my. 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:08.800 Call sheet the other just just today. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:10.880 And I'm like, we had we had runs in and 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:12.640 we ran a few, we just didn't run a lot. 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:13.280 You know what I mean. 1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:17.400 But the intention was to basically win with skill in 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.120 the passing game. Yeah, that was what they end to 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:22.880 to slow down the rush by getting the ball out. 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:23.720 We didn't. 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:25.480 We didn't think we're we don't want to stand there 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:28.080 and hold it forever because it wasn't. That was not 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:30.360 going to be the That never worked for anybody that 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:31.120 year against. 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:34.000 Baltimore, without a doubt. You got any good Scarnikios stories, 1:05:34.520 --> 1:05:38.680 funny ones. Coach Scar was, he's a legend. He's kind of. 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.840 Like, yes, I have I have a great Scarnaki story. Yeah, 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:47.280 so Dante Dante. Every Friday when we would finish practice, right, 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:49.480 that was our day as coaches like that, we got 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:53.920 out before like you know, it was close to midnight. Yeah, 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:56.880 so we would like we would get in there, we 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:01.120 would grab our little fast our with the fat Friday food, right, 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:03.240 and we'd come in and we would like sit down 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:05.280 and as soon as the tape was loaded up, we 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:10.000 were supposed to run through the film and then we 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:13.480 hand the corrections like that we said we needed to 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.320 make the next day when we watched it with you 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:17.919 guys on Saturday, we would hand that the bill before 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:20.840 we would leave we didn't have a staff meeting, so 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:23.200 it was like so the coaches were like, get your 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:25.160 food and get in there, you know what I mean, Like, 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:28.080 I'm gonna get out of here, right. So Scar would 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.800 always he would lay on the ground. We would have 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:32.680 the table here and we'd be watching the screen. He 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.640 would lay over here on the ground on his back, right, 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:38.200 and Dante was like, you know, by the end of 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:41.280 the week, we're all wiped out, right. So Dante would 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:45.600 be over here and he would intermittently do sit ups, 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:49.280 and then when he wasn't doing sit ups, he was asleep. 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:54.040 And so like we would be watching a play and 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:56.160 be like, you know, we'd miss a te or something, 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:59.880 and always let the coaches like you guys say what 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.320 the correction is, you know, and some the g the 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:05.720 QC would be writing it down, and so we like 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:06.600 and I have the clicker. 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.680 We watched it and missed the t. Nobby said anything, 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:15.400 rewind it? That be said anything, And I look over there, 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:20.240 Dante's just like just cast on the ground, you know 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:20.640 what I mean. 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:23.640 And then and then I go just put, uh, you know, 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:26.040 handle the te on the right side. 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:28.480 And then he'd go, yeah, handle the T and then 1:07:28.520 --> 1:07:32.480 he would start doing sit ups again until until he 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:34.200 would you know, and then he would just when he 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:36.320 when he laid the head back down, he was going again, 1:07:37.200 --> 1:07:38.360 and then he would do sit ups. 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:42.240 That's what that. That was his routine. Scar. Scar would 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:44.120 be the first one in the building first off, because 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:45.440 I remember when I first got. 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:48.840 I made the coffee. I would be the I remember 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.200 I was. I was determined to be the first one 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:56.240 in the building once like before four. Yeah, you had 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:56.960 to get there at four. 1:07:57.400 --> 1:08:00.320 I got there at four, like to beat him one 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:02.640 time my rookie year. I was like, this is way 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:06.040 too early. But he would get in this swim X 1:08:06.080 --> 1:08:09.400 and he would he would swim like like an Olympian 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:12.360 in the swim X for like thirty minutes. Like he 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:14.800 had a crazy routine. He was very fit and that's 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:17.120 why he would. He's probably like eighty now, No, he's 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:19.400 in his mid seventies. He looks great. 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:21.439 Yeah, we have breakfast, he and Ivan and I have 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:22.639 breakfast every once in a while. 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.320 Yeah. I was coaching Ives is great. 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:27.720 Ives was great. Ives is lost a little weight, He's 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:31.760 doing great. So he's like got this emeritus status. I 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.600 don't understand, like I keep asking like, how did you 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.200 get that? Well, I know how he got it, But 1:08:37.320 --> 1:08:41.560 he like goes to the facilities. I'm like, he eats breakfast, 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:44.760 then he'll like get a workout in, then I'll go 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:48.280 to practice, then I'll come in and eat lunch, and 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:49.200 then they'll take off. 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:52.559 You know. It's it's it's my country, great day, It's 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:54.840 Country cub ives. I mean, I've seen him there a 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.240 few every time I visit. I'm like, so, I thought 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:59.400 you were retired five years ago. He did? 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:03.080 He did instead of he's not going to Lifetime Fitness. 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:06.920 He's absolutely not. No, that's free, that's right, that's right 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:10.120 for the soul. That's so dope. Jack, Let's break down 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:11.000 the pass. 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:13.960 Hey yeah, let's get in these pats AFC champs for 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:18.280 the sixth straight year. This was a twelve and fourteen 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:22.479 for the third trade year, Bill's fifteenth year in New England. 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:26.600 Pretty crazy, josh Oc of course, Maddy p d C. 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:29.880 This was Jimmy G's rookie year. We lost some talent 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:33.080 in the offseason, lost to Keith Leeb, lost Brandon Spikes, 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:37.759 lost Logan Mankins, but replaced sort of not really replaced, 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:41.920 but brought in Darryl Reeves, Brandon Browner, Brandon Lafel, junk 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.280 back re signed Jules Big. 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:48.160 Signing not bad, not bad. Remember when you were out. 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.439 There moonlighting and free agency? Yeah, I remember that. 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.000 I was in San Francisco some of the most sleepless 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:55.960 nights of my career. 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:58.280 I just you know, I was like Bill, I was like, 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:01.200 you can't let this guy go. Oh we're just starting. 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:06.400 Well, he's at the Giants. You know, did you go 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:06.960 to the Niners? 1:10:07.040 --> 1:10:09.040 Did you go to the Niners and the Giants that went. 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.760 Giants might and then Niners. So Niners offered me more 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:13.720 money than I signed for. 1:10:14.200 --> 1:10:18.000 Well, I mean the cost of living out there is exorbitant. 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:20.800 You know what I mean? Fine cheese out there. 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:22.639 You and Harball in there talking numbers. 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:25.040 Me, Harball, we're talking numbers when he was fighting. 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:27.960 Harball was fighting with the gm like they're like, it's 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.839 publicly no remember that with the Niners. 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:32.280 Yeah, and he's over here asking me how much you want? 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:33.599 You know, I won't get it, Dime. 1:10:34.920 --> 1:10:37.200 You were like the only team in pro football that 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:38.960 like built their offense around you. 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:43.400 I know That's what I Yeah. Yeah, But you know 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.760 when I first when Josh first gets in there. 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:47.519 I remember when you came and talk to me after 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:50.679 the thirteen after the twelve season. Do you remember that, No, 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:53.040 was it twelve or thirteen. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:56.840 When I broke my foot? No, thirteen was your first? 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:57.759 Good year? Was thirteen? 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.880 They're like numbers wise. Yeah, And you remember you you 1:11:00.920 --> 1:11:02.320 came and talk to me at the end of the year. 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:05.320 This is before free agency, and you said, you said, 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:07.559 you know, I didn't know. I thought I was going 1:11:07.640 --> 1:11:10.320 to be a Billy Oh guy. And I'm like, I'm like, well, 1:11:10.320 --> 1:11:12.760 you don't have to be one or the other, like 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:13.880 I said, you know. 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:15.200 Like I will. 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:19.120 We'll make this fun. And we did and it was great. 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.400 But I remember you were nervous, like about being a 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.080 billy Oh guy. I'm like, BILLYO is one of my 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:26.920 best friends. Like you can be both be both guys. 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.960 We're different. I Alwa's yell at Josh. You know, like, 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:33.840 you know, Billy Oh drafted me, but you you know 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:35.840 he don't want to get him My opportunity bro. 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:42.320 Earned his opportunity catches and to break them back, someone 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:44.719 had to murder someone and someone had tears some groans 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:45.479 for that to happen. 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:49.400 But we're here back may. Still we're still in the 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:52.160 back may. I didn't say that earned the back may. 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:55.559 Josh brought in Dola, he brings it. He brought in 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:56.960 I remember. 1:11:56.680 --> 1:11:59.640 The first year he sat back, Josh, the first year 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:02.160 he come back, there was like we brought in Dante. 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:06.599 We brought in what his name, Anthony Dante Stalwart. Yeah, 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:08.920 we brought in Jabbar. We were bringing in all the 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:11.160 old guys. I'm sitting here. That's why I didn't. I 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.040 really didn't like Josh at first. I'm like, this guy's 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:14.599 already trying to replace me. I thought I was going 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:17.439 to be you know, then all the all the old 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:20.519 guys come in. Let's just being a young football player. Yeah, 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:24.400 you don't really know. Learn, you learn, you learn. Now, 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:28.680 what's the relationship with the coaching staff developing with Belichick? 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:32.840 You know, what's that? How was that that room? You 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:35.439 guys are all cool? It was it all like he's 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:38.519 the principal. You guys are all the teachers, Like what 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:41.040 what was the dynamic of that? You know, like just 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:42.880 the coaching room, the locker. 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:45.360 Room, you mean, like the meeting room, like where we 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:46.599 had our staff beings and all that. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:50.200 Just that community. You guys's community. Like there's the player community, 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:53.120 there's the medical community. The coaches are our own community. 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:58.000 It was you know, it was very very organized, and 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:01.320 we always knew kind of like, you know, what was 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:04.680 coming next. You know, our schedule was no different than 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:06.800 yours in terms of like when we had to be 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:10.519 wear next and all the rest of it. I thought 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:16.120 he did a tremendous job of he We understood what 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:19.599 was going on at each step of the year as 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:22.920 it went as as well as I'm sure any other 1:13:23.000 --> 1:13:26.400 staff does, because he included us so like when it 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:30.839 was free agency, or when we were preparing for the draft, 1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:33.519 or when there was a contract issue with somebody, or 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:36.559 you know, he didn't just like we just didn't like 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.040 have to read it on the internet, you know what 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:42.040 I mean. He included us in there, and he and 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:45.240 I thought that was helpful because it was helping coaches 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:47.840 that we didn't know any of the stuff we were 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:52.000 getting prepared for, you know, young coaches getting prepared to 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:54.160 take a step forward and all that because we were 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:56.639 learning the calendar year, we were learning all the things 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.400 that happened. We're learning some of the things the ways 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:00.599 that that the those things. 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:03.840 Got resolved, which was great. I thought our. 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:07.000 Staff meeting room was very comfortable. Like people think of 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:11.040 him as like this real, like, you know, hard to 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:14.160 be yourself around kind of guy. And it was like 1:14:14.320 --> 1:14:16.960 almost the opposite for us, Like we go in the 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:20.400 staff meeting and you just you're you if you know, 1:14:20.439 --> 1:14:23.320 Pepper would have a big cup of meat, like he'd 1:14:23.320 --> 1:14:26.040 have like steak and chicken instead of be eaten then 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.320 you know, other Dante would be doing sit ups and 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:31.000 you know what I mean, like you could kind of 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:31.680 be yourself. 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.439 And Bill, Bill was a Bill was. 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:35.880 An assistant for a long time, yea, so he understood, 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:38.720 like we're not all going to be the same. And 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:42.479 what he did such a tremendous job of was. 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:43.639 He asked for. 1:14:45.040 --> 1:14:47.920 Input and he and he'd say, hey, let's go over 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.439 where we're at on the roster, you know, after the 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.680 first two weeks of training camp, okay, And so we 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:55.720 would meet as an offensive staff and we would go 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.479 through the players and say, hey, you know, Julian's having 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:01.360 a great camp. He's in good shape, you know, healthy, 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.840 blah blah blah blah blah. You know, here's the plan 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:06.080 going forward with every player. Yeah, with everybody and then 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:07.160 we would present it to him. 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:10.080 He was the best listener. That's what the magic for 1:15:10.160 --> 1:15:12.120 him was. He really, he really. 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:16.720 Because he gave away the responsibility to do that, and 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:20.240 then when he when we came together, that's when he listened, 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:23.960 and he was so intent on gathering what you had 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:24.760 that he didn't have. 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:25.439 He didn't know. 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:27.840 He wasn't in the receiver room, he wasn't with us 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:29.880 in our walkthroughs or anything like that, so he didn't 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:33.560 really have that intimate knowledge. And then he would just 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:36.440 take it in and try to help himself make good decisions. 1:15:36.720 --> 1:15:39.360 And that's what you know. It baffles me on this 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.960 whole narrative that everyone has on Coach Belichick that he 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:47.559 was he's not inclusive or or you know, like it's 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:51.080 just what everyone thinks. Oh, he's so old school, you know, 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:53.639 he doesn't listen to other people. It's his way. Well, 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:56.599 like he was honestly, he was a guy that would 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.320 take information from anyone. Yeah, I remember he would come 1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:00.960 up to me and during the middle game, what are 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.679 you seeing? And if you gave him the right information, 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:04.760 he keep coming back to you. 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:07.000 Yeah, you remember, he would tell us, yeah, I'm gonna 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:08.719 come ask you. Just don't make up a store. 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:10.320 Just don't make up a story, because if you do 1:16:10.400 --> 1:16:12.040 that once then he'll never come back to you. 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:13.439 Yeah, just don't make up a store. 1:16:13.479 --> 1:16:15.439 But he was gonna rely on the players because you're 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:17.040 out there on the field, you see it better than 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:19.160 we do, Like all we can see is a picture. 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:22.160 So it's just it's crazy that he there's this narrative 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:24.160 ever since, you know, he hasn't been the head coach 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.840 where you know, like, oh he you know, it's his 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.679 way or the highway. Like anytime you hear any sport 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:34.280 talk people talking about it, they're like, oh, this guy 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.400 doesn't listening to nobody. He does it all this. You know. 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:40.160 It's just it's crazy to me. How long did it 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:41.599 take for you to gain his trust though? 1:16:43.479 --> 1:16:45.200 You know, I mean my first few years I was 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.639 on defense. You know, from from O one toh three. 1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:50.880 I was the lowest guy in the totem pole for. 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:54.559 Sure, which was common. He would always cross coach, flip 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:57.320 them the coaches, which is genius. Keeps great. 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:01.800 Yeah, we uh, you know, my first I realized my 1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:06.360 first year his thing was you're gonna do work at 1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:10.560 the standard that we expect and the reason he expected 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:12.760 it was because we're not gonna be able to win 1:17:12.880 --> 1:17:16.200 championships unless we all produce work at this level. And 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:19.120 so I was doing the pads when I was younger, 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:21.800 which you had to draw the whole game and then 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:25.040 input it all accurately, and if you made any airs 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:28.519 at all, like he would hand the pad back to 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:29.439 you when it was done. 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.040 When you handed it to him, that was just the beginning. 1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:33.599 Then it would come back to you. 1:17:34.600 --> 1:17:36.880 And like my first one came back to me and 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:41.559 there was like seventy yellow sticky notes, little ones with 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:45.840 like this guy was on the numbers. He wasn't plus two, 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:48.320 you know, or this he was a three technique. You 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.439 had him as a two I or whatever. And he 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:53.639 was basically telling me with. 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:56.080 That, like we see it all. 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:57.800 This is how we do work here. 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.559 And so I learned that, and then by the end 1:18:01.600 --> 1:18:06.040 of my first year, I was much I was much closer. 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:06.519 To what he wanted. 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:10.360 And then you know, I was able to work with 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:13.760 Rack and Mangini, you know, those guys on defense and Bill 1:18:13.880 --> 1:18:14.679 for three years. 1:18:14.840 --> 1:18:19.120 It's the nmorder around here. That's oh all right, Eric, 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:19.960 all right? 1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:23.559 And then and and rob Ryan and Pepper and those guys. 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:25.360 That was a good defensive staff, and Bill was in 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:27.720 there a lot, so I was able to see that. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.040 And then we had a great team. So I learned 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:35.200 a lot from guys like Lawyer and Bruskie and Rabel 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.479 and McGuinness and being able to see the way they 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:42.400 received the information was great too. And then I'd say, 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:45.000 you know, at the end of the three Super Bowl, 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:47.320 he met with me the next day and he asked 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.439 me if I would be ready to make the flip 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:53.200 and go coach the quarterbacks, you know four And so 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:56.920 I hope at some point after during that year one 1:18:56.960 --> 1:18:59.000 that I kind of earned his trust in terms of 1:18:59.000 --> 1:19:02.080 the way I would work and what what my standard 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:05.080 personally was going to be. And and then it just 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:06.160 kind of carried from there. 1:19:06.320 --> 1:19:10.160 A lot of yellow stickies, a lot of yells at 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:14.639 first at first. Then it changed. Everyone's mistake makes make mistake, 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:15.720 the good ones learned from it. 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:20.240 Snailing is the best part of the process, if you'll 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:22.280 learn from it, If you learn from it, that's right. 1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:24.240 Is that a bit of like a make it movement? 1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:26.880 When Bill asked you to switch onto the offensive side, 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:28.000 that I feel. 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:30.760 Like that or I think there was a I don't. 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.479 I don't think you've ever really made it. I think 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:36.080 it was a. 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:39.760 I felt very proud of having the opportunity that he 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:42.080 was about to give me, but I didn't. 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.559 That didn't That doesn't amount to anything until you go 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:47.760 do the job, you know. So I was excited about it, 1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:51.360 and uh, I was happy that he would think enough 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:53.080 of me to give me a chance to do it. 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:56.120 But there was a lot of work to be done 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:58.680 after that. How many times you sleep at the facility? 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.120 Never is there who I go home? I go home 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:04.640 with the guys that were notorious. Maddy Pee was there. 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:06.160 There was people that did. 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:07.880 But I just even if I was going to go 1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:10.080 home for four hours, I was going home. I was 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:12.280 gonna I walked into each one of my kids's rooms 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:16.040 every night and just did the right thing as a dad. Yeah, 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:17.960 and you know what I mean, sleep my own bed, 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:21.080 you know, and make sure that I saw him. You know, 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:23.880 at some point that's what you gotta do. I mean, 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:26.040 some people do it the other way. I just feel 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.080 like there's something to be said about that. 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:32.840 Definitely, definitely, Jackie, let's get into the game. Set the stage, all. 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:35.519 Right, Patriots entered this thing number one seed in the AFC. 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:38.840 As we talked about, Ravens enter number six, came off 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:42.840 a win in hines Field, beat the number three Pittsburgh 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:46.280 Steelers thirty to seventeen in the wild card round. So 1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:48.639 we gotta buy the Patriots. We that is gotta buy 1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:49.679 coming into this week? 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:55.080 Was that crazy? Didn't Flacco hit a deep sideline pass 1:20:55.160 --> 1:21:00.639 to the Jacobi guy? No? That was that was in twelve. 1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:04.200 Yes, Okay, now I remember that one. Patriots clinched in 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:09.160 week fifteen of this season. They're six AFCAST title and 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.280 leading up to this when it was a cold day 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:13.599 baby twenty degrees, but it was like eight. 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:15.439 What the feels like at kickoff? 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.839 So uh, in another one of these these great Ravens 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:21.280 Patriots battles like we talked about. 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:24.240 Can you explain to the listener, like how we took 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:29.439 these these bye weeks? Yeah, it was going into the playoffs, yeah, and. 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.439 We were Look, we were fortunate that we had more 1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:36.479 than one. Yeah, like some teams, you know, you do 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:39.360 everything you can to get one, and that's great and 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:42.479 you make the most of it. I think people always 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:47.559 assimilate the bye week with well we're gonna we're gonna 1:21:47.600 --> 1:21:48.839 rest up and get healthy. 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:50.439 And that's true. 1:21:50.760 --> 1:21:53.799 But I think we always thought of the bye week as, Okay, 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:58.320 how what can we do during the bye week to 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:00.720 make sure that we're going to have give ourselves a 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:05.320 chance to have some advantage depending on who we play. Yes, 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:09.400 and Bill was great, you know, for years he had 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.800 always told us this was like I would say, after Thanksgiving, 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:17.080 he would he'd always talk to us about listen, you know, 1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:23.320 if we can find anything that is unscouted that we 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:26.120 can work on for these next four or five weeks 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:30.080 that might give us an advantage in January, let's start 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:32.240 doing it. And so we would practice, you know, we 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:36.920 would practice things, gadget stuff, et cetera. You know, maybe 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:40.599 some tempo things, low red zone, whatever that we weren't 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:45.640 necessarily going to run on December tenth or December seventeenth. 1:22:46.080 --> 1:22:50.280 We were getting them ready, and then during the bye 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:54.479 week we would really apply those to the opponent we 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:57.519 were going to play or had a chance to play, 1:22:57.880 --> 1:22:59.120 you know, because we didn't know who it was going 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:02.960 to be. But he he was really good at that, 1:23:03.080 --> 1:23:05.160 and so we always took time to try to do that. 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.800 We didn't just like hey, guys, make sure you get 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:10.599 treatment and get some red. It was it was always 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:13.840 a purposeful bye week. You know, hey, we're not doing 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:15.720 this as well as we need to be doing it. 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:19.640 So like we're gonna do a blitz drill, you know, 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:21.760 and make sure that we're good on our protections on 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:23.960 third down. We're going to do a cover one period, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:25.840 you know, because we know we're gonna have to beat 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:27.720 man coverage in the playoffs. Or we're going to do 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:30.320 a third and goal period in the red zone because 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:33.000 we know those plays are going to be huge factors 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:34.720 in winning and losing in the playoffs. 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:36.320 And and for us. 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:38.439 We always had a period where it was like, is 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:42.599 there any gadgets or a little different plays we could run. 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:45.200 Gadget speen trick plays, Yeah, that might. 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:47.559 Be able to give us, you know, just an advantage 1:23:47.560 --> 1:23:49.479 of big play, some momentum something. 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:53.240 What about this formation breakdown? Remember when I think who 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:57.559 brought we were talking about Baltimore Rave Baltimore. So this was 1:23:57.680 --> 1:23:59.120 this was during this was. 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:02.680 During the bye week, and he brought it up and 1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:06.439 we saw it in Alabama game. So Alabama scored I 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:10.200 believe it is against LSU they did something very similar 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:13.680 where the tight end lined up as the tackle, they 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:18.480 took a linement out and they somebody reported ineligible. 1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:22.040 So we were like, that's a pretty good idea, you know. 1:24:22.720 --> 1:24:26.599 And I think the execution of the whole, like the 1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:30.439 lineman coming out of the game, like the lining up 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:33.200 in the formation and not acting like we did like 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:36.280 we just robbed a bank, was important, you know what 1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:39.599 I mean, we did and like so we that's where 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:42.960 we chose who was going to do it. And so Veren, 1:24:43.680 --> 1:24:47.680 who love Shane Vereen to this day, you know, is 1:24:48.479 --> 1:24:53.640 like he's the like you're gonna report ineligible, you have 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:55.640 to go to the official. I remember having the conversation 1:24:55.720 --> 1:25:00.000 and you have to tell him this, I am reporting ineligible. 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:03.959 I'm an ineligible player, you know. And I remember Vinovich 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:07.720 was like okay, and I think his you know, his 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:10.000 wheels were turning. I don't remember if Bill told him 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:12.800 before the game or not. But then when Shane went 1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:15.800 to do it, he did it. But they lined up 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:17.920 to us like we were in a normal formation. Yeah, 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:20.599 and there we got three I think we got three 1:25:20.640 --> 1:25:23.720 plays and the big thing was Bill made Bill made 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:27.080 the call on that hold it until the second half. 1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:29.200 Hold it to the second half. He didn't want them 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:32.679 talking about it at halftime. Oh so he wanted, he wanted, 1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:35.920 and we did this off and on anyway, like we 1:25:35.960 --> 1:25:38.960 would hold something just so you couldn't have a twelve 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:42.679 minute meeting and say, look, if this comes up again, here's. 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:43.519 What we're gonna do. 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:45.360 You have to do it on the sideline, and you know, 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:48.120 scrambling on the scrambling on the sidelines a little different 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:50.080 than doing it at and the white board at halftime. 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:52.240 What situation do you have to be in to like 1:25:52.400 --> 1:25:55.679 kind of apply these gadget plays like down by fourteen? 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:56.880 Like what's the kind of like. 1:25:57.200 --> 1:25:59.760 No, I think I think honestly as a as a 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:04.160 oach when you're calling it. I think, honestly, at the 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:06.120 end of the day, it's kind of like. 1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:08.240 A feel thing, you know. 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:12.000 For me, I always kind of did it in two 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:14.480 different ways, one of two different ways. 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:19.280 Either we have some momentum and I'm going for the 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:20.479 cherry on top of the. 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:22.840 Sunday, or we need to create momentum or we or 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.400 we don't have any momentum and I need it back quick. 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:27.200 Like it was one of the other you know what 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.679 I mean, Like you remember in the AOFC Championship game 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:32.840 against Kansas City, how many times did we call the 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:36.360 flea flicker to get it? What we We killed it 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:40.120 like four times in the game and finally got it 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:43.280 in overtime and we he threw it away because it 1:26:43.320 --> 1:26:48.080 was covered decent, but I was like, I'm trying, I'm 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:49.640 trying to get it again and again and again, and 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:52.200 we didn't ever really got it until we got the overtime. 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:54.639 So I think it's just one of those things where 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:56.120 you kind of got to feel one or the other. 1:26:56.200 --> 1:26:59.400 Either you're going for the jugular or you need you 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:01.800 need to save your yourself, or yeah, you need to 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:04.360 say an extra life. That's right, get that mushroom like 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:05.559 in Mario, that's right. 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:08.280 And you had to provide a little context here to 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:11.320 what Josh mentioned and broke down with Baltimore and Raven. 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:16.960 It was a November twenty fourteen game Bama LSU helped Bama. 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.519 Bama pulled it out in overtime. Lane drew it up 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:22.800 in ot Blake Sims to Brandon Green for twenty four yards, 1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:24.400 got him down to the one. Yep, And that's what 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:26.599 the women game pulled out O T was pretty crazy. 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:30.439 Lane Kiffin designed that. Huh do you think Lane designed that? 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:31.840 Was it with Lane? 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:32.519 It was with Lane? 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:34.599 Yeah, so Lane was there in fourteen. 1:27:34.760 --> 1:27:35.640 Yep, Lane called it. 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.679 Yeah, that didn't surprise me. Lane's a good coach. Lane. 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:41.599 He always finds me that ship. Another great visor, maan, 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.479 another great ri advisor. I love. 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:47.799 He's a advisory. Group chat huh, group chat advisor? 1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:50.080 Coach, we're gonnadvisor. This do you have to wear your 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:53.439 advisor to do the group chat? Oh? The group chat 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:56.280 without being on that's the group chat. 1:27:56.840 --> 1:27:59.320 You know how many of those I have in my office? 1:27:59.400 --> 1:27:59.920 Probably a bit. 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:02.920 And there's different years because they change. 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:06.400 They changed, and you get like the he'd have like 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:09.360 the military advisor, or like breast cancer. 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:12.880 I like the I wore the breast cancer like I 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:14.280 didn't like the other peaks. 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:18.360 I'm with you. 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:18.960 Because Bill would drop the visor every once in a 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:21.600 while in a Miami game. You ever give him a 1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:24.080 look like coach, No, that's my thing. No, I just 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:26.800 know because maybe you know your daughter up you know, 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.720 in the stands, be like nobody. No, already wore the 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:32.960 white with the white, so I was good. 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:37.880 Thereby he doesn't have the white sleeves, So that's all right, 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:39.080 you're not You're not there. 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:41.920 He's not stealing me, not swagger jacking. 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.600 But did the did the hoodie sleeves ever get like 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:46.640 O D blown out when you push him up? 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:48.040 Or no? They bounced back. 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:49.920 They bounce back because. 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:51.439 I always wore like it was like a you know, 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:53.320 like a tighter Every once in a while you'd have 1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:56.160 to cut like the little edge just so it wasn't like, 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:58.360 you know, like like you know, when you're done with 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:00.360 the game, like your veins are ready to you want 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:01.200 take an iv. 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:04.600 Yeah, that's what I would always keep my tape on 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:07.000 from IVY because it makes me look way more rainier. 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:11.439 I won't be looking tight. Look, guys, I took a shot. No, 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:14.000 it was because you lose your circulation, then your veins 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:15.000 could get even crazier. 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:19.000 Should we should we get into this game? 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:20.320 All right? 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.840 Back back to this cold, cold day in Foxborough where 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.280 the feels like is eight at kickoff this fe and 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:29.439 back to our boy Bill Denovich is roughing this thing. 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:29.760 Yep. 1:29:29.880 --> 1:29:33.839 The Ravens come into Foxborough. Start out hot flackout, completes 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:36.920 his first eight passes, gets two on the board, quick 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:40.800 kamar Ake and Steve Smith. Smith beats Darrell Reeves for 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:43.679 the first time like ever in that matchup that dates 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:47.640 back to Jets against Panthers, Bucks against Panthers. Revis had 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:49.920 his number man, but Steve got him for a couple 1:29:50.000 --> 1:29:51.320 and got him for a TD there. 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:52.400 Uh. 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:56.799 Then the Pats get back on there with a Brady 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.840 Rushing touchdown cuts it to seven. Then a dol It 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:03.879 t ties it back up, erased the first fourteen point deficit. 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:07.280 Then before the half, Tom throws a brutal pick which 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:08.920 leads to an Owen Daniel's TD. 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:12.800 Jack said, brutal, brutal, Sorry, he said that. 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:15.519 He said it was a brutal pick. You didn't say 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:17.680 it was a brutal pick, And I didn't say. I 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.040 didn't say it was a brutal pick at all. I 1:30:20.160 --> 1:30:22.360 just that it was an interception. He said it was 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:26.120 a brutal pick. Tom, if you're watching, Jack said, this. 1:30:26.439 --> 1:30:28.479 Situationally, this kind of brutal. 1:30:28.600 --> 1:30:34.760 I mean when I see over the middle, you know. 1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:38.400 The you know, the interesting part about that was, and 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:44.880 this is probably as bad of a circumstance. 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:44.799 That we had. 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:47.720 I bet you that you and I can remember we 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:51.479 had run four plays and we were down fourteen zero. 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:53.439 Yeah, we didn't have the ball. 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.040 Well, they scored and then we got the ball back. 1:30:56.080 --> 1:30:58.719 We got a first down, then we went first, second, 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:01.680 third down, punted it. Then they scored again. So it 1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:04.479 was like fourteen nothing. And I remember the feeling in 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:07.320 the stadium, you know, because they start you could start 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:09.880 to feel the panic. Oh yeah, a little bit, and 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.679 they're like you could hear those little murmurs like, oh, 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:14.120 we're gonna get blown out here. 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.679 We had that in the back of our mind because 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:19.439 they blew our the brakes off us. And know nine, 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:20.280 my rookie year. 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:23.040 Was fourteen to nothing and we had run four plays 1:31:23.240 --> 1:31:26.360 and I was I remember, I remember going we got 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:27.800 a score on this drive. 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:29.960 You probably thought to yourself, thank god, we don't have 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:30.840 to run the ball on this. 1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:35.439 One where it says Brandon Bolden was our leading rusher 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:37.160 for three carries seven yards. 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:43.920 Now, can you explain to the listener when you're down 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:48.160 fourteen points in a in a must win game, a winner, 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:51.040 go home game, what do you do as a play caller? 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:53.880 Are you throwing that script completely out? Are you going 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:55.960 back to fundamental plays that you know that we know 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:58.880 how to work. What was the mindset when we go 1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:01.280 down fourteen the first I'm not even the second time, 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:03.760 and then you know, transitioning after when we got it 1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:04.799 to the second time. 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:08.040 I think the first time when you're first of all, 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.400 we have to have poise if we're going to ask 1:32:10.479 --> 1:32:14.120 you to have poise. So I mean, I can't lose 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:16.240 my mind on the sideline and then tell you guys 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:20.000 to be calm on the field. So I think for 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:23.440 me in those types of situations, it's stick. 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:24.160 With what we're gonna do. 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:29.600 We don't even have enough evidence to make a change, Like, 1:32:29.680 --> 1:32:32.200 we've run four plays, so should I switch the game plan? 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:34.000 I don't know. We didn't, we haven't done anything. 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:36.640 So to me, it's we don't have enough evidence for 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:40.040 me to make a decision like that. So it's basically, hey, 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:41.760 calm down, let's just try to get one on the 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.439 board and keep playing. We got a long way to go, 1:32:44.479 --> 1:32:46.840 which we did, and then you know, you make it 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:49.600 fourteen to seven. We got a little confidence now we 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:51.679 know we can drive the ball on them, and then 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:54.680 you know, eventually we tie it up at fourteen. But 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:57.639 I I've always felt like The biggest tug of war 1:32:57.760 --> 1:32:59.480 you go through as the play caller. 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:04.720 In a elimination game is doing something. 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:09.400 That's not in your comfort zone, like you wanna, like 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.000 you want to hurry up and get fourteen points on 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:14.519 the board, Like there's no I don't have any calls 1:33:14.560 --> 1:33:16.640 on the call sheet, So I'm not gonna go to 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:20.320 my my chunk passes and shot playlist and call like 1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:23.519 four of them in a row and hope that they 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:26.439 all work. Like you can't you start playing the game 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:28.680 like that, The next thing you know, you're gonna get 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:31.599 sacked or strip sacked, or throw an interception or turn 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:34.320 the ball over. And now it's like being in quicksand 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:38.320 when you're an elimination game, the more you struggle, the 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:41.320 quicker you go down, you know. And so to me, 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:45.080 that took me a little while to learn that. You know, like, 1:33:45.760 --> 1:33:48.479 take a deep breath and stay with it. You guys 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:51.320 are good enough on the field. You're gonna make plays. 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:53.240 Let's just call the things that are. 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:53.479 Now. 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:55.200 If there was an adjustment that we felt like we 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:56.920 had to make, then you make it. 1:33:57.240 --> 1:33:58.840 But we didn't have enough evidence right there. 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:00.760 But I think you got to try to, you know, 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:03.320 you got to try to sow your breathing down, honestly 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:05.640 and just go to the next series and see if 1:34:05.680 --> 1:34:07.400 we can strain together some good plays. 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:10.559 Yeah, it's exactly what we had to do. And I 1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.439 always remember, I always remember you saying in all our 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:16.720 comeback from behind victories that you you know, we can't 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:18.960 win it all one play. No, you can't. You can't 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:20.559 get the points in one place. So if we all 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:24.559 collectively do our job one play at a time, that's 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:26.600 when we're going to give ourselves the best opportunity to 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:28.559 go out and win. That's right, you know. And and 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.360 that's kind of what we did. Now, what are the 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:34.040 halftime adjustments going in after this? So you know you 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:36.280 had in the back pocket, we had our formations, we 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:37.800 had Raven, and we talked about them. 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:40.760 I remember remember that on the board, like, hey, all right, 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:45.200 we held these purposefully, Baltimore Raven. Is there any questions 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:46.879 on what we're gonna do with the operation? 1:34:47.240 --> 1:34:47.639 Okay? 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:50.840 I think I even put up there like just be 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:52.880 ready on the double pass, you know. 1:34:53.200 --> 1:34:54.599 And then we talked about a couple. 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:56.599 Other things because they were playing a little bit more 1:34:56.600 --> 1:34:58.800 man to man coverage than we thought they would, and 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:03.240 you know, so I felt like there wasn't a lot 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.120 of adjusting to what they were doing because I think 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:07.840 we were dictating it because we were throwing. 1:35:08.120 --> 1:35:10.640 We were just throwing. That's what we were doing, you know. 1:35:10.760 --> 1:35:14.640 So I don't feel like it was you know, like 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:17.599 a crazy big like, hey, let's swing this, other than 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:20.320 we knew we were going to spring something on them 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:21.360 that we hadn't done yet. 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:22.599 That was the big thing. 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:25.799 The two drives that really put us in the second 1:35:25.800 --> 1:35:28.160 hole was when we got the ball back in the 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:31.479 second quarter with a minute forty something left and it 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:34.240 was tied, and we didn't do what we always try 1:35:34.280 --> 1:35:37.479 to do, which is take the last shot and score something, 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:39.800 and then we go three and out to start the 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.800 third quarter. It was like the game could have been 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:47.840 completely different in our favor, and yet we didn't take 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:52.800 advantage of the opportunities with this possessions, you know, And 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:55.519 and so now we end up, you know, falling behind 1:35:55.640 --> 1:35:59.360 by another fourteen, by another fourteen that justin forceet TV 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:01.800 from Flack after a three and out to start the 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:04.640 third but get back get back into it with the 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:07.920 gronk TD cuts it to twenty eight twenty one then 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:10.920 with four to twenty left in the third, after we 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:14.479 scored that touchdown, I remember, that's that's when you came 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:16.040 up to me, I did. I said, do you need 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:18.519 any lead time for the double pass? And you and 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:20.600 you said what? And I said, do I have to 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:23.479 tell you that it's coming? Meaning like you need to take. 1:36:23.360 --> 1:36:27.000 Your red gloves off or whatever you know exact. 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:28.920 You're cutters or whatever. 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:30.599 They are, Like, what do you do? Do I need 1:36:30.640 --> 1:36:33.439 to tell you that this is coming? Like fuck, five 1:36:33.439 --> 1:36:35.840 minutes in advance? You're like, no, no, no, yeah, yeah's 1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:38.200 what you said. Just throw it, just call it whenever 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:41.080 you want. I'm like, okay, you know, so we so 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.479 we did. Yeah, that was the first touchdown, was the 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:47.840 one we actually did the Raven Baltimore formation the first time. 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:50.960 First time, we're down by fourteen, and then when we 1:36:51.000 --> 1:36:52.679 scored one, that's when we went. 1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:55.760 With the double pass. A double pass. Speaking of double pass, 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:58.200 which we had actually called earlier in the season against 1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:58.719 the Chiefs. 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:01.639 Against the Chiefs, right, just didn't we just didn't throw 1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:04.760 it over there? We called it and you know it 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:06.679 was Dola gonna throw it, wasn't it? 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:08.800 Was it you or Dola? I don't remember. I watched 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.080 this morning. It was gonna be you, Okayna. 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:14.559 But Dola was like saying coverage, like we couldn't do it. 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:16.639 Was trying to call you off when you were. 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:19.600 In Yeah, can we go into the second time I 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:20.680 threw the football. 1:37:22.200 --> 1:37:24.200 Twenty nineteen in Philly. 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:26.960 Yeah, we can do that. It was a great story, 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:28.160 Juice's story. 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:34.559 Jesus told his side, your side, my memories really fucked up. 1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:38.639 The night before the game. This is the story. 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:42.439 Yeah, so we well this wasn't the same play. 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:45.479 No, it's a different play. Throw it here, throw it 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:49.519 back and set up the catch and run. And in 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:52.880 the what we we always did like a little ballroom, 1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:55.040 which always felt like you guys loved that. 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:55.640 I loved it. 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:58.719 To reiterate, it was almost like a very comforting feeling 1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:00.720 when you walked out of there, like we all we 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:01.240 all got it. 1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:04.040 Yeah, we all got it. And it was loose and 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:06.240 and so. But it wasn't always loose depending on like 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:08.920 the games. Sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff. 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:10.800 I no, but that was that was But but I 1:38:10.840 --> 1:38:12.559 don't think we ever went in there like it wasn't 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:15.200 like a big like, it wasn't like a big like 1:38:15.360 --> 1:38:16.400 teaching session at all. 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:18.680 It was I would I would call the play, you 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:19.479 guys would get on. 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:21.360 You would do it and walk through it, and that 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:21.800 was it. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:23.840 But if you had like a new player coming in 1:38:24.000 --> 1:38:26.400 that had a big role, that was different, you know, 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:29.120 like if he was nervous and we were all kind 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:30.439 of watching them too as well. 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:33.280 And Julian Julian, well, I'll tell him to tell two 1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:37.960 stories quickly. The when he came back in two thousand 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:44.240 eighteen eighteen eighteen, So the walkthrough because we played on 1:38:44.280 --> 1:38:46.639 a Thursday night so we didn't have practice. 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.160 I didn't have any practice that week because it's just 1:38:49.200 --> 1:38:51.800 walk throughs. Well had no he does. 1:38:52.120 --> 1:38:56.479 He does the hotel like walk through and he's soaked 1:38:57.520 --> 1:39:01.000 because he's like running routes in the ball like but 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.840 nobody else. And Tom always had like a little lacrosseball 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.720 and he would bounce it to you to like show you. 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:12.400 And Julian is literally like you could see everything, like 1:39:12.439 --> 1:39:15.280 he was just drenched, and I remember the other guys 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:17.800 were like looking at him, like what is going on 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:20.960 with this guy? I'm like, yeah, he's a little he's 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.800 he's obsessive compulsive. Right now, I think he needs to 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:24.280 play a game. 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:28.719 I dot up a wheel for you in the first possession. 1:39:28.840 --> 1:39:33.439 He so anyway, the Philly So, the Philly game was 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:36.559 the second throw that night in the hotel. 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:38.800 The night before the game, we go walk through it. 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:42.640 Tom dribbled bounces the ball to Julian. Julian gets the 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:43.240 ball and. 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:49.840 Then he looks, he looks and throws it to Phil 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:52.840 Bill just wandering up the field trying to get at 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:55.840 the defense to come this way, and Philly catches it. 1:39:55.840 --> 1:39:58.680 And I look at him and I'm like, you can 1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:01.599 do that, just throw the ball over, throw the ball, 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:04.680 and I think we actually did it again, just so 1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:05.439 he so he. 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:07.040 Would like do it right, you know what I mean. 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.000 And then we get in the game and he gets 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:13.160 the ball and he looks down the field and Philly's open, 1:40:13.439 --> 1:40:15.200 and then he lets it go and I'm just like 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:17.519 and then he caught it, and I'm like, I don't know. 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:19.280 Those are the ones that's coaches where you're just like, 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:20.200 that's a hell of a play. 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:21.920 Figures, if I would have flipp my hipsky was in 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:23.519 my face, I would have got you got you did 1:40:23.520 --> 1:40:26.599 get I got drilled. He got drilled, drilled, I come 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:28.679 running off. When I come running off. 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:31.880 You're fucking dangerous, Yure, you are dangerous. 1:40:32.760 --> 1:40:33.880 You're dangerous. 1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:36.600 But that was all I remember because you were the 1:40:36.680 --> 1:40:38.439 only one that threw a touchdown past that game. 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:42.080 Oh yeah, So I remember like like and then he 1:40:42.080 --> 1:40:44.000 would come in the next day and he would put ice. 1:40:44.360 --> 1:40:46.559 He would have his shoulder wrapped in ice in the 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:49.200 and he would sit in the front, you know by 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.400 but like, yeah, I gotta you know, I always come 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:53.760 in like the last person to come in to wait. 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:56.400 He would just be like, I'm like, coach, you got 1:40:56.439 --> 1:41:01.559 the door. Don't worry, you got that. I say that 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:03.280 the tradeing used to have called the ice fed in 1:41:03.280 --> 1:41:04.360 front of everyone. 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:06.320 Looking like you just threw a complete game shutout. 1:41:06.840 --> 1:41:09.960 Yeah, literally, like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning. 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:14.519 Oh my, I will say that pass your dangerous Maverick 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:17.240 moment in Philly put jewels at five of six, one 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:20.160 hundred and forty one yards and two tds as a passer. 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:23.200 There you go. This is reading. Had to be exceptional. 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:24.680 That had to be amazing. 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:27.920 Yeah. We had the the one in the Super Bowl 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:31.120 to Dion Oh man, he was close to it. He 1:41:31.160 --> 1:41:33.800 almost made that he almost made that catch. That was it. 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:36.360 I shouldn't have thrown it. That was nuts. What you 1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:37.599 mean was he open? 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:38.720 You know, he got him. 1:41:39.280 --> 1:41:40.360 It was like, just buy him. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:42.680 The guy did a good job of peeling on it. Yeah, 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.920 but the rest of the defense was over there. 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:46.160 That game was a. 1:41:46.120 --> 1:41:49.240 Blur point three. 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:50.200 That's perfect. 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:50.759 That's perfect. 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:53.720 That's perfect. Someone say that's pretty good, bro. Someone say, 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:55.320 let's get back at the game. 1:41:57.479 --> 1:42:00.040 All right, So we uh were moving here into the 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:03.000 third quarter, we talked the Gronk TV cuts it back 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:04.120 to twenty eight twenty one. 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:08.200 Four to twenty left in the fourth is the double. 1:42:07.920 --> 1:42:10.400 Pass moment in the third? In the third in the third, 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:13.360 in the third, four to twenty Oh, I'm not. 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:17.040 I mean, no, guy, just get a baby. He made 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:19.200 me watch the game again. I got this in my hand. Yeah, 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:21.519 not just in there. You know, everyone talks about you know, 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:24.559 these offensive geniuses, they always have this. They could just 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:26.080 they know the place. 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:29.160 And then later after that game's tied back up twenty eight, 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:32.360 twenty eight, Flacco throws a pick, his first pick in 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:35.960 a long time in the playoffs. Yep, Devin and couldn't 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:39.200 capitalize on that bough punt give him back the ball 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:42.800 field goal. Down thirty one to twenty eight at this point, 1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:46.719 then in the fourth get the ball with ten minutes left, 1:42:47.000 --> 1:42:50.240 go on a nice ten plays, seventy four yard over 1:42:50.360 --> 1:42:54.200 five minute drive that ends into Jojo Lafel touchdown up 1:42:54.280 --> 1:42:55.559 thirty five, thirty one. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.519 Yep. That was the drive of the game. That was. 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:02.280 That was a really and it was all passing, you know. 1:43:02.479 --> 1:43:06.559 And I remember the one thing about that that drive 1:43:06.920 --> 1:43:12.000 was we didn't need to do anything in a hurry, 1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:16.040 So trying to force the ball to go further down 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:20.080 the field and take more chances holding on to it longer, yeah, 1:43:20.400 --> 1:43:22.960 was not really something that we had to do because 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:25.960 we only needed to score once. Yeah, So it was like, okay, 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:29.240 like we can take a three step, we can hit 1:43:29.280 --> 1:43:30.160 something short. 1:43:29.920 --> 1:43:33.080 Which goes into play calling. Adjusting, you know, he had 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:37.439 to adjust. Josh had to adjust from being down fourteen. Yep. 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:41.120 The psychological battles of keeping the team that a we're 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:43.840 sticking with what we're doing, then being down fourteen again, 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:46.760 we're you know, we're we're we're trying to fight for 1:43:46.960 --> 1:43:52.000 time this that to now reverse engineering it to like 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:54.400 all right now times on our side, we don't have 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:55.280 to rush. 1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:58.080 No, which is that's that's and it helps the protection 1:43:58.320 --> 1:44:01.360 helps protect. We're gonna we're going to take short profits 1:44:01.360 --> 1:44:04.960 and do that. And I thought that that was a methodical, 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:08.559 Like you said, ten plays, five minutes, we're just trying 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:10.679 to take the profit, keep moving it down the field. 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:13.320 And then when we had our one chance, you know, 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:15.000 Joe had single coverage. 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:15.639 I believe it was. 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:18.680 Cover one, and you know, you know, Tommy made a 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:22.280 great throw and Jojo made a great catch, So it 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:24.760 was it was different. The mindset of that drive was like, 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:28.040 just keep we don't have to do we don't need 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:28.800 two touchdowns. 1:44:28.840 --> 1:44:31.800 We already started feeling the momentum coming though, yeah we did, 1:44:32.000 --> 1:44:34.400 you know, and the momentum is real when you feel 1:44:34.400 --> 1:44:39.240 that in the momentum fuels the confidence of the unit 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:40.000 that's out there. 1:44:40.439 --> 1:44:43.200 The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you 1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:47.679 threw the double passing score that I've never heard that stadium. 1:44:47.680 --> 1:44:50.479 That stadium has been loud a number of times in 1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:56.200 our lives. That was the loudest noise that I personally 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:59.400 had heard, like because it was almost like, you know, 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:02.120 like we we came back once then we're down two 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:04.280 touches and so they're like, oh no, not again. Then 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:06.479 we come back again and and to do it that 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:09.559 way with you hitting dance. I mean, that was as 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:11.840 noisy as I think. I can never remember it. 1:45:12.080 --> 1:45:14.599 That was. That was a fun That was a fun play, 1:45:15.320 --> 1:45:17.080 but it wasn't over so well. 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:19.200 Before we do that, we let we have players on. 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:21.360 We like to walk through, like a specific moment jenneral 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:24.360 from the Big Game. We've heard Jules's perspective, We've heard 1:45:24.400 --> 1:45:26.800 Danny mcdola's perspective of that play. I love to hear 1:45:26.840 --> 1:45:29.800 your like beat by beat perspective of that double pass play. 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:35.280 So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back. 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:38.760 I remember it. 1:45:38.760 --> 1:45:42.120 Was ready and I had already checked with Bill, you know, 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:46.320 like we're good. He goes whenever you know, whatever you 1:45:46.360 --> 1:45:49.040 want to do it, I'm good. And you know, because 1:45:49.040 --> 1:45:51.200 I always felt like whenever you're running something, it's a 1:45:51.200 --> 1:45:54.519 little bit screwy. Yeah, you know, just you better check 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:56.760 with your big boss and make sure that you're you know, 1:45:56.920 --> 1:45:58.360 you're not doing it, and he doesn't want you to 1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:02.360 like fake punts, and you know, so was he already 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:02.880 signed off. 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:04.280 Whenever you want to do it, and I. 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:08.600 Just didn't feel right about doing it, not like I 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.479 wanted to get a first down and then do it. 1:46:12.120 --> 1:46:13.880 I didn't want to do it like the first play 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:15.760 of the drive. I didn't want to. 1:46:15.680 --> 1:46:18.760 Do it on second and eight, like after the first 1:46:18.800 --> 1:46:20.840 play of the drive. I wanted to, like, can we 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:22.880 get a first down and then once we get the 1:46:22.920 --> 1:46:25.240 first down, let's try it, you know what I mean? 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:26.080 And so we did. 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:28.439 We got a first down, and then I think it 1:46:28.439 --> 1:46:31.240 was right around midfield and it was kind of the 1:46:31.320 --> 1:46:34.640 right time to do it, and Dean acquiesced. 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:38.760 He brought the star Blitz off the side that we 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:40.519 threw the ball to. He gave us. 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:42.160 We didn't know we were going to get that, but 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:45.639 it made the play better because we only had one 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:48.920 guy out there that we needed to block and it 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:52.000 wasn't two and so was that gronk out there? I 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.240 think it was Gronk out there. And then Danny did 1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:57.519 a good job of hesitating and going by. But you know, 1:46:57.920 --> 1:47:00.439 after I asked him if he needed anything time, he 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:03.840 said no, Bill had already you know, signed off on 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.000 the whole thing, and I just really wanted to get 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:09.320 a first down. So it wasn't so like almost like desperate, 1:47:09.840 --> 1:47:12.120 like we gotta try this right off the bat, you 1:47:12.120 --> 1:47:15.160 know what I mean. I want to, yeah, get a 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:17.479 little get a little bit of a momentum going in 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:19.479 the drive and then give ourselves a chance to see 1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:21.439 if we could hit it. So and it was perfect 1:47:21.439 --> 1:47:23.720 because it was on our sideline. I love doing those 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:25.880 things when they're on your sideline. 1:47:26.160 --> 1:47:29.120 So when you're seeing when I'm going over in motion, 1:47:29.280 --> 1:47:31.120 what's going through your mind? It's not man. 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:34.000 And then when I saw the guy start to creep 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:37.240 in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like, I don't know. 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:41.519 We couldn't have drawn up a better like them, playing 1:47:41.520 --> 1:47:44.519 a better defense for the play. It was really just 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:47.439 gonna matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't. 1:47:48.200 --> 1:47:51.280 And you know, Danny did a good job of bluffing 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:52.760 it and then went by. 1:47:53.400 --> 1:47:55.400 You mentioned, you know, want to do a playlia like 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:57.720 that after first down and doing it on your own sideline. 1:47:57.840 --> 1:48:00.960 These little details? Is that like to factor him with 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:03.839 your play calling? Is that innate? Is that something with reps? 1:48:03.880 --> 1:48:06.120 Like where do you pick up those little details when 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:07.479 it comes into your crafts and play call? 1:48:07.840 --> 1:48:10.160 I think it's just probably experience. 1:48:11.080 --> 1:48:13.800 You know, I don't like I think when you're coming 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:16.360 off the sideline and like the defense is kind of 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:20.040 ready for almost anything, you know, Like, I don't think 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:23.679 that's a great time to like spring your craziest play 1:48:23.720 --> 1:48:26.120 on them all the time. I think it's almost like 1:48:26.600 --> 1:48:29.080 you run a play, you run a second play. Oh, 1:48:29.120 --> 1:48:31.360 you got a first down. So they're kind of like, 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:33.439 all right, they're just driving the ball. They're just trying 1:48:33.439 --> 1:48:36.000 to do the same stuff they've been doing, you know, 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:37.320 throwing the ball here. 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:39.160 Dink and dunk, which is what I wanted them to 1:48:39.200 --> 1:48:41.519 be thinking. And they got. 1:48:41.600 --> 1:48:44.599 So we get a first down, and we're into a drive. 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:49.559 The defensive coordinator he knows we're not going fast. He's 1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:52.679 into his drive now, you know what I mean, meaning 1:48:53.040 --> 1:48:55.720 meaning Dean's you know, you kind of get into a 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:57.599 rhythm of the drive itself. 1:48:57.680 --> 1:48:58.519 Each drive is. 1:48:58.520 --> 1:49:03.519 Different, and so we we first down, play huddle, second down, play, 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.960 first down, go back to the huddle, you know what 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:09.960 I mean. So now Dean's in his rhythm too, and so. 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:14.840 Again the it just I thought that was a better 1:49:14.880 --> 1:49:16.799 way to do it, honestly, then go out. 1:49:16.680 --> 1:49:18.519 There and be desperate and try to hurry up and 1:49:18.560 --> 1:49:21.200 get to it. And you know, people don't realize these 1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:24.160 you know, I don't know how it's in other places, 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:30.280 but there's a department that studies and gives everyone around 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:32.800 the league what they're doing to our coaches, and they 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:35.080 look at it. These guys study it so that you know, 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:39.320 you could always see when it's the best opportunity. He's 1:49:39.360 --> 1:49:41.519 probably seen this situation go down. May not be this 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:45.200 specific trick play, but a different trick play that you know, 1:49:45.240 --> 1:49:48.160 a team off of. You know, a big play makes 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:51.840 another big play feels desperate, you know. So these guys 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:54.880 they're always watching the game, yep. And that's how they 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:58.160 get their experiences, not only through coaching it, but watching 1:49:58.200 --> 1:50:02.000 other coaches. The great co coaches will use their experiences 1:50:02.400 --> 1:50:03.759 and implicate it into their. 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:08.920 And I've made I've I've called enough plays and made 1:50:09.040 --> 1:50:12.280 enough mistakes when I was younger, you know, to like, 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:14.960 all right, well that sucked, you know what I mean, 1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:17.719 Like that totally wasn't the right time to do that, 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:20.760 you know, And you just I think learning through your 1:50:20.800 --> 1:50:24.960 failings as you're going is a helpful thing. 1:50:25.120 --> 1:50:27.640 So you have a little bit of wisdom, you know, 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:30.760 after you've put enough pelts on the wall, you know 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:33.360 where now you kind of know like that's I remember 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:35.320 not to do that because of this game. 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:37.720 And I tried it and it backfired, you know. 1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:39.360 And the other thing I would say about this is, 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:43.080 and you would attest to this, we practiced those things, 1:50:43.120 --> 1:50:47.880 and we didn't act like they were like so special 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:51.160 that it was like impossible for us to succeed at them. 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:53.040 I treated those. 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:55.880 Things like almost like a play action pass, like a 1:50:55.920 --> 1:50:58.639 flea flicker or a double pat like if you rapid enough, 1:50:58.680 --> 1:50:59.960 what's the difference. 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:02.280 Other than the ball handling? 1:51:02.360 --> 1:51:05.240 And yeah, like but I trusted you enough and we 1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:07.599 repped it enough where I was like, I didn't call 1:51:07.680 --> 1:51:10.920 it and go like this like what's gonna happen? I 1:51:11.439 --> 1:51:14.160 called it going as long as the defense is gonna 1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:17.479 give it to us. I've seen us execute this many times. 1:51:17.640 --> 1:51:19.920 Look at he's got this smile, like, yeah, tell him 1:51:19.920 --> 1:51:21.759 how many times I hit it in practice? 1:51:22.520 --> 1:51:24.400 I think I overthrew him three or four times. 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:30.439 You were gloves too, right, Yeah, because always ships on 1:51:30.520 --> 1:51:31.799 quarterbacks when they wear their gloves. 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:33.720 Yeah, but I'm not gonna take my glove off. Well 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:36.200 that's why that's the thing is you take it off. 1:51:36.400 --> 1:51:42.400 Then these guys Baltimore might have been perceptive enough to. 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:44.160 This guy Michael Jackson. 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:48.200 Out there gloves like lad Guerrero, come on now. 1:51:48.760 --> 1:51:48.960 Yeah. 1:51:49.000 --> 1:51:51.240 But but to coach his point, I think that's a 1:51:51.680 --> 1:51:53.559 that's cool that like it's not one of these like 1:51:53.920 --> 1:51:56.960 super trick plays and like crazy things. Because we were 1:51:57.000 --> 1:52:01.080 watching we did the the AFC Championship in in Arrowhead 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:03.599 with Ernie and there was a fleaflicker on that drive 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:06.400 in o t Yeah, like just a regular play, Like 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:09.120 that's a testament to that practice. 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:11.280 And it was, and it was like a comfort level 1:52:11.320 --> 1:52:13.840 for you as the play caller, like I don't feel 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:16.479 like I'm about to mess the game up because I've 1:52:16.479 --> 1:52:19.240 watched us and I trust our guys enough and trust 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:21.240 you guys to do it. So and you don't either. 1:52:21.720 --> 1:52:24.040 You're not thinking like, oh god, he called a flea flicker. 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:26.120 You're just like, but what it is, what it is, 1:52:26.320 --> 1:52:31.519 He's got to block the goddamn safety rights furg Steelers. 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:33.639 And Yeah, but to get back to this drive, next 1:52:33.680 --> 1:52:35.880 gen stats will tell us this was the first time 1:52:35.920 --> 1:52:38.280 a player in a playoff game has had a nine 1:52:38.360 --> 1:52:40.960 yard reception and a fifty one yard TD in the 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:43.400 same drive. It's next gen stats for you guys. 1:52:43.400 --> 1:52:47.200 I don't back what the that's that'll never that'll never 1:52:47.320 --> 1:52:47.920 happen again. 1:52:48.240 --> 1:52:52.040 Ever, that's like Haley's comment, nobody's ever gonna have a 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:53.800 nine yard I remember. 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:56.280 One d T pass in the same drive. 1:52:56.040 --> 1:52:57.479 In the same divisional round. 1:52:57.840 --> 1:53:01.160 He he knows, Josh, those is ship because I remember 1:53:01.200 --> 1:53:04.840 it was what was Indianapolis where a house to punted 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:09.560 on a slant and then I almost broke the. 1:53:08.120 --> 1:53:10.439 The reverse in the in twenty twelve. 1:53:10.520 --> 1:53:12.360 Yeah, and I come off to the sideline and he 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:13.960 comes up to me. He goes, he can't get three 1:53:13.960 --> 1:53:15.439 more yards. You would have been the only person in 1:53:15.439 --> 1:53:17.920 the history of the game. But at that time return 1:53:18.040 --> 1:53:18.519 one and. 1:53:18.640 --> 1:53:22.639 Rush one d for the sick and McCaffrey just run, 1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:23.439 catch and throw. 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:27.200 Recently yeah here, yeah it happened. But at that point, 1:53:27.439 --> 1:53:28.840 should we put a bow on this bad boy? Put 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:29.720 it all right? 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:33.320 So Flacco leads him down nine plays fifty three yards, 1:53:33.760 --> 1:53:36.960 gets in gets in territory Doron Harmon with the pick 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:37.840 picky punt. 1:53:38.320 --> 1:53:40.000 A lot of them get a lot of that beast 1:53:40.800 --> 1:53:41.639 beast closer. 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:45.800 Flaco gets the ball back though tries the Hail Mary unsuccessful. 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:49.240 Pats win thirty five thirty one. We'll going thank god 1:53:49.280 --> 1:53:50.400 he pushed the guy at the end. 1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:51.160 Smart play. 1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:53.040 That was the balls up to the logan. Ryan a 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:53.920 smart football player. 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:57.160 Yep, very anything just because you're a coach, you're a 1:53:57.200 --> 1:54:01.000 smart guy. Anything we missed from this game that you 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:02.640 want you did some preparation that you'd want to make 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:04.360 sure we hit that we didn't talk about already. 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:06.400 No, I mean, you guys kind of got the idea 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:09.360 of the opponent, kind of got the the our game 1:54:09.400 --> 1:54:10.679 plan was very unique. 1:54:10.880 --> 1:54:11.080 You know. 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:13.960 We didn't intend on going in there and trying to 1:54:14.280 --> 1:54:16.640 you know, mash it at him running the ball and 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:20.920 all that. You know, I don't believe that was the deal. 1:54:20.960 --> 1:54:23.240 And then the gadget stuff and we talked about the 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:25.920 swings and all that. But I mean, I knew this. 1:54:26.200 --> 1:54:28.400 I felt getting ready for this game. They were the 1:54:28.439 --> 1:54:33.120 sixth seed. I felt like, this is probably. 1:54:33.440 --> 1:54:36.680 The best team that we're going to play the AFC 1:54:36.800 --> 1:54:37.440 in THEFC. 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:39.760 Well, that's how it always was with Baltimore. I did. 1:54:39.840 --> 1:54:41.560 I felt like I didn't know who would be in 1:54:41.600 --> 1:54:44.240 the other game. You know, I think Indye beat Denver 1:54:45.280 --> 1:54:49.480 n Yet this this team was really something, and. 1:54:49.440 --> 1:54:54.680 Then Indy was soft as cat shit forty five seven. 1:54:54.640 --> 1:54:58.160 Soft, my god soft. 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:01.480 But uh, back to this one real quick. We mentioned 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:05.000 it earlier in this game, the the disparity between running 1:55:05.040 --> 1:55:07.280 and passing. Tom Brady threw the ball fifty times in 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:09.760 this one, fifty times Blacko through a forty five. So 1:55:10.400 --> 1:55:12.400 if you like, I bet you that they runs did 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:15.520 we run? They technically thirteen because they credit Brady with 1:55:15.560 --> 1:55:18.520 six rushes, but I mean really seven, Like you said, 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:21.400 seven runs Brandon Bolden three for seven. 1:55:21.200 --> 1:55:24.320 And a rushing touchdown. Yeah, Brady that those were like 1:55:24.520 --> 1:55:25.800 his most proud moments. 1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:27.800 When he ran it was a thousand yard rusher. 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:31.080 We know, we know, we heard about it in those 1:55:31.120 --> 1:55:35.200 walkthroughs night before games with the Lacrosse Bowl. So was 1:55:35.200 --> 1:55:36.200 he with the knail downs? 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:38.640 He was deliberately doing those really close, so he wasn't 1:55:38.920 --> 1:55:40.520 losing yards towards his career? 1:55:41.000 --> 1:55:43.200 Was he it looked like it. I don't think he 1:55:43.280 --> 1:55:46.160 was doing that. I don't have enough information. I don't know, 1:55:46.840 --> 1:55:48.800 I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. 1:55:49.640 --> 1:55:53.640 Patriots would go on to beat the soft soft Indianapolis 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:55.880 called forty five to seven then going on. 1:55:55.960 --> 1:55:58.440 So they were really good football teams. But I just 1:55:58.520 --> 1:55:59.440 was always mad at him. 1:55:59.560 --> 1:56:01.400 I know, we're we like to rag on him on 1:56:01.440 --> 1:56:03.880 this pod. Uh, but we do it in jest. We 1:56:04.120 --> 1:56:06.960 we're just joking. The Pats would go on to win 1:56:06.960 --> 1:56:10.400 there for Super Bowl, beating the Seahawks twenty eight twenty 1:56:10.480 --> 1:56:14.080 four with Malcolm Butler's huge interception there at the end 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:17.960 his rookie year, undrafted free agent, and H Brady would 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:20.840 set the record for most. 1:56:20.360 --> 1:56:22.560 He went right to Malcolm Butler, he skipped you My bad, 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:23.920 My bad, that's all good. 1:56:24.320 --> 1:56:26.720 That was a fucking historic play. I know, it was 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:31.720 unbelievable play. It changed, Uh, it changed lives change, I 1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:34.320 mean speaking of it. That was the start of like 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:36.879 the second part of the dynasty. 1:56:36.960 --> 1:56:39.160 Took the words right out of my mouth. Jewels yep, 1:56:39.720 --> 1:56:41.400 kicked off dynasty two point zero. 1:56:41.880 --> 1:56:43.720 Now what you what were your thoughts going in after 1:56:43.840 --> 1:56:46.200 after we won that first one? Do you think we 1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:50.040 had the legs to keep doing it? I mean, you 1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:52.280 never know, You never know. That's hard to say. 1:56:52.400 --> 1:56:55.360 I mean I knew that certainly, haven't Tommy. You always 1:56:55.360 --> 1:56:57.880 had a chance, Yeah, you know, and I knew that 1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:00.640 our you know, a decent chunk of our core guys 1:57:00.680 --> 1:57:03.440 were back, so we were excited to have a shot. 1:57:03.520 --> 1:57:05.920 But you never know. I mean I always tell everyone, 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:07.840 I think the best team that I was on was 1:57:07.840 --> 1:57:11.240 that fifteen team. That was a good team. You know 1:57:11.560 --> 1:57:14.120 we were, but it wasn't how we were blowing teams 1:57:14.160 --> 1:57:18.680 out there right aft the beginning of the year. Then 1:57:18.720 --> 1:57:22.240 he tore his knee, Soldier tears his arm, I'd break 1:57:22.280 --> 1:57:24.560 the foot. But like we were, if we would have 1:57:24.560 --> 1:57:26.879 stated that's what That's what the lead people don't realize 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:28.920 is you have to have that. You have to have 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:31.920 your health, the health, the health bug on your side, 1:57:32.040 --> 1:57:33.480 you do, you know, going. 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:35.360 Into two years of the same. 1:57:35.360 --> 1:57:38.280 It's so hard. That's why this is really impressive. What 1:57:38.960 --> 1:57:41.320 you know the Chiefs are doing. Yeah, you watch this 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:44.000 and you know it's hard to bet against him this year. 1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:48.120 Like I honestly believe, and I know they've had relatively 1:57:48.160 --> 1:57:50.880 a healthy They've had a healthy two years if you 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:54.480 think of like their cornerstone players. Yeah, and anytime that 1:57:54.520 --> 1:57:57.080 we we didn't do it is because we had a 1:57:57.120 --> 1:58:01.640 cornerstone player go down or something along those lines. And 1:58:02.400 --> 1:58:04.840 they're in that function way of like where we were, 1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:09.840 where if we're playing our best game, you know, it 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:12.520 doesn't matter what it looks like in September. We're just 1:58:12.560 --> 1:58:14.640 at the point where we're still learning our team because 1:58:14.680 --> 1:58:17.480 we've lost a bunch of guys or a bunch of coaches. 1:58:18.080 --> 1:58:21.360 Kind of use that and then you develop your team 1:58:21.400 --> 1:58:23.560 in the middle chunk of the season. Then you start 1:58:23.880 --> 1:58:26.280 sharpening the knives when you get into that, you know, 1:58:26.400 --> 1:58:30.560 fifteen sixteen, seventeenth week, and then by then it's hard 1:58:30.560 --> 1:58:33.360 to bet against us or them. You know, that's where 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:35.880 they're at in their career because of you know, the 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:39.040 quarterback they have and their program. Their program. 1:58:39.120 --> 1:58:42.280 They have a good program. It's been you know, ten 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:44.880 plus years in the making, and they know. 1:58:44.800 --> 1:58:46.480 What they're doing. They know what they're doing. 1:58:46.760 --> 1:58:51.160 The stability of the organizations you know that that can 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:54.120 get to that point is really a huge advantage for them. 1:58:54.240 --> 1:58:57.840 It is now what's more impressive this double comeback or 1:58:58.120 --> 1:58:59.120 Super Bowl comeback. 1:58:59.840 --> 1:59:05.320 I think Baltimore's defense, in my opinion, was like I 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:08.839 thought Matt Ryan was playing an exceptional level. The Falcons 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:11.040 were a really good team. I don't think their defense 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:14.000 if you put those two defenses on paper, you would 1:59:14.040 --> 1:59:16.400 say that that defense was better than the Baltimore one. 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:20.960 It was not so doing it against the Ravens in. 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:29.680 That group, with that group of players that they had. 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:28.360 That was probably the tougher group. 1:59:28.880 --> 1:59:31.520 We had to have so many things go right for us, 1:59:32.440 --> 1:59:37.120 or so many things we had to do without having 1:59:37.200 --> 1:59:38.360 anything go wrong. 1:59:38.440 --> 1:59:42.200 In the Falcons game, we just couldn't. We were up 1:59:42.240 --> 1:59:42.720 against it. 1:59:42.600 --> 1:59:44.520 It was like, if we make any mistakes here, we're 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:46.760 dead done, you know what I mean. And so the 1:59:46.840 --> 1:59:49.240 fact that we were able to do that, you know, 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:53.280 I think it was probably more unrealistic. You know, I 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:55.200 don't know if it was a better one against a 1:59:55.200 --> 1:59:57.280 better defense, if you know what I'm saying. 1:59:57.720 --> 2:00:01.880 I mean, it's still some great, great problems to talk about. 2:00:02.040 --> 2:00:04.640 Which which you come back was better? Those are great things. 2:00:04.680 --> 2:00:07.280 Which one? Did you think it was? Falcons? For sure? 2:00:07.760 --> 2:00:08.360 I mean it was it. 2:00:08.520 --> 2:00:12.120 It was more because you know, it was certainly more improbable, 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:16.400 so improbable. I never felt like we were out of 2:00:16.440 --> 2:00:17.960 the Buffalo the Baltimore one. 2:00:17.840 --> 2:00:20.840 Really no, but we were up again. Definitely felt like 2:00:20.880 --> 2:00:24.640 we were out at one point after I dropped that 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:27.160 third down come out halftime, Like, fuck me, I'm the 2:00:27.240 --> 2:00:31.080 raw rock guy getting everyone rowdy. I can't make a 2:00:31.080 --> 2:00:33.400 goddamn third down catch over the you know what I mean, 2:00:33.440 --> 2:00:34.920 It's gonna be a hell of a store. It's gonna 2:00:34.920 --> 2:00:37.360 be a hell of a story. I mean, that's your trademark. 2:00:37.480 --> 2:00:40.000 It was a hell of a Now you're saying there's 2:00:40.040 --> 2:00:41.120 a caveat to that. 2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:45.160 Nah, it's gonna be a hell of a story. 2:00:43.960 --> 2:00:46.640 And if I believe. 2:00:46.320 --> 2:00:49.160 That, you can't believe. Gotta believe. 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:51.280 Maybe you can't say that. 2:00:51.320 --> 2:00:53.920 You gotta believe. But I'm doubting if we can do 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:56.680 it or not. Hey, we all have See that's that's 2:00:56.720 --> 2:00:59.240 for everyone listening. Even when you believe, you have a 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:02.400 little doubt. So when you're doubt, you have that little doubt, 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:06.840 it's okay, you can still believe. Speak right there. You 2:01:06.880 --> 2:01:10.920 see that right frame. I mean it's it's already that's 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:13.920 a T shirt. Oh my god, it's gonna be a caveat. 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:17.800 I mean, who dropping caveat on this podcast? I like 2:01:17.840 --> 2:01:23.160 it such a caviare word. Let's grade the game. We'll 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:30.400 be right back after this quick break. Name of the game, 2:01:30.480 --> 2:01:33.920 the double pass, The pass game, The double comeback. Which 2:01:33.960 --> 2:01:35.720 one do you want to call it double pass? The 2:01:35.800 --> 2:01:39.600 double pass game? Is this the greatest game of all time? 2:01:40.080 --> 2:01:44.040 Let's score it stakes zero to ten of this game 2:01:44.080 --> 2:01:47.400 decimal is okay, you have to grade it of the game. Yeah. 2:01:47.440 --> 2:01:50.960 We've done super Bowls, We've done World Cup events, We've 2:01:50.960 --> 2:01:55.880 done World Series events, done surfing the biggest waves of 2:01:55.880 --> 2:01:56.280 all time. 2:01:56.320 --> 2:01:59.440 I mean okay, So I'm gonna say it's a divisional 2:01:59.440 --> 2:02:01.720 game against nine nine solid. 2:02:02.360 --> 2:02:04.520 So we had done this game before with with Gronk. 2:02:04.960 --> 2:02:09.400 So Jewels sorry, Jewels scored a seven point one. I 2:02:09.560 --> 2:02:11.720 Jack did an eight point zero, I did an eight 2:02:11.760 --> 2:02:15.960 point two, and did a ten seven point one. 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:25.320 You know, Jos, when you first Super Bowl, you forget them, 2:02:25.680 --> 2:02:30.000 you forget them. This is seven right here, star power, Josh, 2:02:30.040 --> 2:02:37.240 star power. That was okay, okay, so reads out, raise out. 2:02:37.000 --> 2:02:40.000 McPhee, don't forget about you know, you're the legend of 2:02:40.640 --> 2:02:43.839 you know, we're just coming up. Yeah, you're your legend 2:02:43.880 --> 2:02:47.040 hasn't really started to grow yet. Just you know, you're 2:02:47.080 --> 2:02:49.960 kind of you're hoping to get a podcast someday, hope. 2:02:50.000 --> 2:02:53.840 You know, Gronk's pretty much Gronk by now. Tommy's got 2:02:53.840 --> 2:02:58.280 a lot of star power. I'll go uh eight. 2:02:58.720 --> 2:03:00.800 Jewels did a seven point nine and jacket an eight 2:03:00.840 --> 2:03:02.440 point five. I did an eight point three. 2:03:02.640 --> 2:03:03.600 Dole did a six? 2:03:03.800 --> 2:03:04.480 Whoa Dole? 2:03:05.760 --> 2:03:09.400 Hard greater man? Not after a ten on the stakes? Yeah? 2:03:09.480 --> 2:03:12.400 That what are we doing? Game played? Zero to ten? Josh? 2:03:12.480 --> 2:03:15.200 What does this mean? How the game went? I mean, 2:03:15.440 --> 2:03:18.720 I mean excitement for the viewer? This is a ten. 2:03:19.400 --> 2:03:22.040 This is hard to top this one? Amen? What I say? 2:03:22.120 --> 2:03:22.840 Hard to top this one? 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:24.920 Jewels with an eight point one, Jack with a ten, 2:03:25.120 --> 2:03:25.800 Me with a nine. 2:03:27.400 --> 2:03:30.840 You are the name of the game. Zero to ten, 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:33.880 one decimals, Okay, you mean the double pass, the double 2:03:33.960 --> 2:03:37.040 pass rating the name that you ranked, the name eight 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:37.680 point five? 2:03:38.240 --> 2:03:39.200 Very solid. 2:03:39.640 --> 2:03:42.720 Jules had a seven point nine, jacket an eight point six. 2:03:42.960 --> 2:03:45.040 I had a nine point two, and Dola had an 2:03:45.080 --> 2:03:47.360 eight point zero. What is a total up to Let's 2:03:47.360 --> 2:03:51.960 see the news score is an eight point four four? 2:03:52.000 --> 2:03:53.800 Where does it go on the charts of games? 2:03:53.960 --> 2:03:59.160 That ties us with with Becky? 2:03:59.320 --> 2:04:04.040 Two belts? You big wrestling fan? My kids, we grew 2:04:04.120 --> 2:04:07.480 up that way, Yeah I do. There was a big 2:04:07.520 --> 2:04:08.560 There was a big. 2:04:08.400 --> 2:04:11.560 There's a big window where I was completely out of 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:15.040 the loop, you know, like after college, just making it 2:04:15.120 --> 2:04:17.920 till I had and then like I have some friends 2:04:17.920 --> 2:04:18.320 that do it. 2:04:18.440 --> 2:04:20.720 I enjoy it. It's fun, fun to go to. It's 2:04:20.760 --> 2:04:21.240 a good show. 2:04:21.320 --> 2:04:23.560 It's fun. Overall. 2:04:24.120 --> 2:04:26.640 Tied for thirteenth overall. Hold on, go back to that. 2:04:27.080 --> 2:04:30.160 So the number one was super Blood wolf Moon. 2:04:31.160 --> 2:04:33.120 That was a twenty eighteen AFC Championship game. 2:04:33.720 --> 2:04:37.600 Remember the moon thing that happened? Yeah? I do. Uh, 2:04:37.800 --> 2:04:39.600 where's the Seahawks? 2:04:40.000 --> 2:04:40.960 That's number three? 2:04:41.160 --> 2:04:41.440 Three? 2:04:41.560 --> 2:04:45.200 I was gonna say that definitely statue Lefty game. Remember 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:47.600 that I had those three as my top three. 2:04:47.800 --> 2:04:51.560 Yes, someone in COVID asked me that, and I said, 2:04:51.560 --> 2:04:52.600 those were my top. 2:04:52.360 --> 2:04:53.600 Three, but not in that order. 2:04:53.800 --> 2:04:54.520 What's your order? 2:04:55.480 --> 2:04:56.400 Three? One? Two? 2:04:56.840 --> 2:05:01.000 So Butler game twenty eight to three or game Superbud 2:05:01.040 --> 2:05:02.320 Wolfman game than twenty three? 2:05:02.440 --> 2:05:04.880 That was my top. That was my top and then 2:05:04.880 --> 2:05:05.960 I think this game was four. 2:05:06.840 --> 2:05:09.040 Hey, yeah, do you remember that statue of Liberty game? 2:05:09.240 --> 2:05:09.840 What is he state? 2:05:09.840 --> 2:05:10.320 Oklahoma? 2:05:10.440 --> 2:05:10.640 I do? 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:12.200 Oh yeah, oh that's my favorite. 2:05:12.360 --> 2:05:14.760 Speaking of great, great great play calls. 2:05:15.040 --> 2:05:15.640 That was awesome. 2:05:15.640 --> 2:05:18.480 How many gadges can you have, Josh, we visiting thing? 2:05:18.800 --> 2:05:22.280 No, this is awesome. You want to plug anything. You're 2:05:22.280 --> 2:05:25.840 gonna plug plug anything, you know. This is just this 2:05:25.960 --> 2:05:28.360 is awesome. Well, we appreciate you coming on man, it's 2:05:28.400 --> 2:05:28.880 been awesome. 2:05:28.920 --> 2:05:29.520 It was so fun. 2:05:29.680 --> 2:05:33.280 This was funny memory Lane. Yep, and thank you again, Bro, 2:05:33.480 --> 2:05:36.640 appreciate you be guy man. That was That was a 2:05:36.640 --> 2:05:38.800 fun episode. Brought me down memory Lane. Would you guys 2:05:38.800 --> 2:05:41.640 think about old Josh love Josh our first we were 2:05:41.640 --> 2:05:44.240 just talking our first head coach, first head coach. We 2:05:44.240 --> 2:05:47.960 didn't really talk about it though, No, because it's a 2:05:48.000 --> 2:05:50.800 little raw, it's still a little fresh. I think a 2:05:50.800 --> 2:05:51.480 fresh wound. 2:05:52.240 --> 2:05:53.800 I'll have a bit of a hand up moment on 2:05:53.840 --> 2:05:54.520 this episode. 2:05:54.640 --> 2:05:58.840 I'm pretty anti redoing games that we've already done, because 2:05:58.840 --> 2:06:01.600 you're so there's literally thousands of thousands of games out 2:06:01.600 --> 2:06:04.240 there that we haven't done yet. So when he came 2:06:04.280 --> 2:06:07.400 back organically with doing this game, I was skeptical. I 2:06:07.440 --> 2:06:10.480 was like, Okay, well we've already done it with Dola whatever, whatever, whatever. 2:06:10.520 --> 2:06:13.120 But I think his perspective on it was awesome. It 2:06:13.160 --> 2:06:16.080 was cool getting the coaches perspective on it. So hand up, 2:06:16.160 --> 2:06:16.680 I was wrong. 2:06:18.040 --> 2:06:20.360 Josh was so cool man and so gracious. Was this 2:06:20.400 --> 2:06:24.040 guy so smart? Remember it and he did the Peyton manning. 2:06:24.360 --> 2:06:27.120 He went back to the notes, he watched the tape, 2:06:27.520 --> 2:06:30.640 he came ready has still had his game plans. Oh 2:06:30.640 --> 2:06:31.240 that was awesome. 2:06:31.280 --> 2:06:33.320 I wish oh when we started getting into the craft 2:06:33.360 --> 2:06:35.280 of play calling and he was like, oh, I wanted 2:06:35.280 --> 2:06:36.480 to do it out the first down and I want 2:06:36.520 --> 2:06:38.040 to do it here and after hear oh, man, we 2:06:38.080 --> 2:06:39.360 could have had an hour conversation. 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:41.320 I'm just that because that was just I wanted to 2:06:41.400 --> 2:06:42.520 know more and more and more about that. 2:06:42.600 --> 2:06:44.560 But I don't even to help me with my college 2:06:44.560 --> 2:06:47.760 football twenty five play on. I know, I wonder what 2:06:47.760 --> 2:06:48.720 playbook he uses. 2:06:49.240 --> 2:06:51.480 I wonder because I used to use. 2:06:51.360 --> 2:06:53.880 And like when I go and played Madden, I would 2:06:53.960 --> 2:06:55.720 use like our playbook even if he was using a 2:06:55.720 --> 2:06:58.480 different team, because I knew our offense. And sometimes there's 2:06:58.480 --> 2:06:59.800 a couple of years I was like, oh, this kind 2:06:59.840 --> 2:07:01.360 of yeah, it's kind of kind of what we do. 2:07:02.480 --> 2:07:05.880 And then there's someone like, what the fuck I played recently? 2:07:05.920 --> 2:07:07.560 I was like, I didn't know the offense. 2:07:08.120 --> 2:07:10.920 I gotta say, nothing good has ever come from me 2:07:11.000 --> 2:07:13.280 being in the pistol formation in college football twenty five. 2:07:13.640 --> 2:07:16.000 I hate the pistol not a pistol. Guy supposed to 2:07:16.000 --> 2:07:16.800 be better for the run. 2:07:17.080 --> 2:07:18.120 I know, but I just can't. 2:07:18.160 --> 2:07:20.640 Every time I can makes it more even. I could 2:07:20.680 --> 2:07:23.000 see that makes it more even for the offensive line, 2:07:23.080 --> 2:07:26.000 for like shades, because the guy behind him all the 2:07:26.080 --> 2:07:28.400 offset on one side, you can eliminate certain things. 2:07:28.720 --> 2:07:29.960 That's a good way to look at I didn't even 2:07:30.000 --> 2:07:30.320 know anything. 2:07:30.400 --> 2:07:32.360 Well, that's why people try the pistol. That's why people 2:07:32.360 --> 2:07:34.839 like the pistol, because they you know, it's a deception 2:07:34.920 --> 2:07:37.680 of a side that is true. So then you could 2:07:37.720 --> 2:07:40.000 cheat over those gaps over not cheat, but you can 2:07:40.320 --> 2:07:42.240 you can gap them differently and just have this guy 2:07:42.280 --> 2:07:43.600 catch you edge on for the pitch. 2:07:43.960 --> 2:07:47.560 Isn't it just the old eye formation that that's why shot? 2:07:47.840 --> 2:07:51.000 But that's what No, the pistols shotgun with the guy 2:07:51.080 --> 2:07:54.800 behind you. But it is like eye formation for like 2:07:54.840 --> 2:07:58.160 where you're getting, you get the even box for both sides. 2:07:58.800 --> 2:08:01.240 God forbid a college quarter be under centered these days. 2:08:01.480 --> 2:08:06.280 God forbid what they're never under center in college dangered species, 2:08:06.920 --> 2:08:08.480 That's what I'm saying, Army. 2:08:08.800 --> 2:08:10.160 And that's that's dude. 2:08:10.160 --> 2:08:12.720 This is a two hour episode already's. 2:08:12.760 --> 2:08:17.520 In honor of Josh and his patented, patent patented. 2:08:18.320 --> 2:08:20.160 He's known for wearing advisors for. 2:08:20.200 --> 2:08:22.840 Known for wearing visors. We're gonna go and we're gonna 2:08:22.840 --> 2:08:29.400 build the ideal football coach look from head to tippity toe. 2:08:29.840 --> 2:08:32.160 Just a little context of this new post guest segment. 2:08:32.440 --> 2:08:37.480 We're basically gonna assemble the We're gonna We're gonna use 2:08:37.520 --> 2:08:42.520 inspiration from some of the most notable coaching attire pieces, 2:08:42.760 --> 2:08:46.600 pieces of their wardrobe to kind of compile one super fit. 2:08:47.000 --> 2:08:51.600 So think Pete Carroll's Monarchs. Think Kyle Shanahan with the 2:08:51.600 --> 2:08:54.160 the flat brim custom Giants hat. 2:08:54.040 --> 2:08:57.120 That no one else wears, but he has Niners with 2:08:57.200 --> 2:08:59.640 a small small letters with the small letters. Sorry, I'm 2:08:59.680 --> 2:09:02.960 thinking so just go Bill Belichick with the cutoff hoodie. 2:09:03.400 --> 2:09:09.000 Maybe Kanye low key made a collection after this. Oh 2:09:09.120 --> 2:09:12.320 damn back, I'm telling you no, he cut like he 2:09:12.400 --> 2:09:14.600 cut it. A lot of that ship looked like Bill's ship. 2:09:14.920 --> 2:09:17.000 I've been in there after Kanye dropped. It was like 2:09:17.040 --> 2:09:19.160 sixteen or something. It's tight. 2:09:19.320 --> 2:09:21.360 Yeah, I mean Billy. 2:09:21.480 --> 2:09:24.360 Kanye and Bill kind of addressed like on the on 2:09:24.360 --> 2:09:24.839 the sideline. 2:09:24.840 --> 2:09:28.120 If you I heard recently that maybe some of Kanye's 2:09:28.160 --> 2:09:30.320 fashion sense was coming from Adam Sandler. 2:09:31.240 --> 2:09:32.440 I think I saw a clip of that. 2:09:33.360 --> 2:09:37.640 I just love seeing Adam Sandler on social media, playing 2:09:37.720 --> 2:09:41.919 randomly in parks in the in the Adam Sandler outfits, 2:09:42.240 --> 2:09:45.880 specials out probably when this comes out. Yeah, yeah, new 2:09:45.880 --> 2:09:47.840 special everyone go go check it out. But let's get 2:09:47.880 --> 2:09:49.680 back to our bill coach. All right, let's build a. 2:09:49.600 --> 2:09:50.160 Coach, baby. 2:09:50.160 --> 2:09:52.360 I like the that that naming of it perfect. 2:09:52.440 --> 2:09:54.800 Well's I mean, we all know creative player in Madden. 2:09:55.080 --> 2:09:57.080 This is creative coach created looks. 2:09:57.840 --> 2:10:01.120 So we're starting at the dome, baby, head where what 2:10:01.160 --> 2:10:02.600 are we rocking on the head? Are we going? 2:10:03.000 --> 2:10:03.680 We going hat? 2:10:03.720 --> 2:10:07.200 We go on Advisor, We're going nothing, We're going Beanie headset. 2:10:07.240 --> 2:10:09.600 I mean you gotta have the headset. This Dora Fedora 2:10:10.360 --> 2:10:14.480 full on old school yeah. 2:10:13.160 --> 2:10:18.720 Eddie Munster, Widow's peak, just beautiful hair like uh situation. 2:10:18.440 --> 2:10:19.520 Yeah full Ben, I can do? 2:10:20.320 --> 2:10:25.000 Or what ebra flues right now, bro, coach? Ebra flues? 2:10:25.040 --> 2:10:28.160 Get got a city cut, moved to Chicago, White made 2:10:28.240 --> 2:10:29.960 him cut his hair. You got a city cut and 2:10:30.000 --> 2:10:31.040 a little beard. 2:10:30.760 --> 2:10:32.600 Action Chicago looks good? 2:10:32.640 --> 2:10:36.640 Oh my, yes, I mean I got a whole paper. 2:10:36.680 --> 2:10:39.040 They look good. Yeah, but everyone looks good on paper. 2:10:39.360 --> 2:10:40.680 That's why you play the games. 2:10:41.240 --> 2:10:43.280 Are we going full ebra flues and getting a city 2:10:43.280 --> 2:10:44.680 cutting with the you. 2:10:44.640 --> 2:10:46.040 Gotta go, you gotta go A hat? 2:10:46.640 --> 2:10:49.920 Yeah, I like, I like, I like freaking Shanahan's hats 2:10:50.320 --> 2:10:54.080 because it's our new age cool coach, A new age 2:10:54.320 --> 2:10:57.560 cool coach. Dora is like thirty two. That's cool for 2:10:57.640 --> 2:10:59.160 like on the going to the plane. 2:10:59.640 --> 2:11:02.440 On the or so baby, the meat the meat of 2:11:02.480 --> 2:11:02.800 your fit. 2:11:02.920 --> 2:11:08.080 Here we go, in, we go in old school wind breaker, 2:11:08.120 --> 2:11:12.400 we going verbel cut off windbreaker with the long sleeve 2:11:12.440 --> 2:11:13.880 t underneath the show off the guns. 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:15.400 I like the bill dog. 2:11:15.640 --> 2:11:17.720 I like the bill. I like the bill cut hood, 2:11:17.760 --> 2:11:18.880 I love it. I love it. 2:11:18.840 --> 2:11:20.560 About a Jim Tressel sweater. 2:11:21.080 --> 2:11:23.200 Hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it. 2:11:23.600 --> 2:11:27.600 It's too clean cut, absolutely Nottenheimer starter jacket. 2:11:27.720 --> 2:11:31.240 I like that. I like the starter coach by everyone, 2:11:31.440 --> 2:11:33.720 Yes or cool. But that's for a cold game. We're 2:11:33.760 --> 2:11:35.600 talking about a spring game. Okay, very much game. 2:11:36.600 --> 2:11:39.120 What about a nice, like fashionable, like up to date 2:11:39.800 --> 2:11:42.240 wind breaker. I'll up Pete Carroll. It's almost like a 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:43.200 golfing situation. 2:11:43.960 --> 2:11:48.200 Ah like accus like a quarter zip like it's a 2:11:48.240 --> 2:11:52.360 little too ubiquitous. I'm I like, look at the Belichick 2:11:53.040 --> 2:11:55.680 like as much as we can all make fun of it, 2:11:55.840 --> 2:11:59.360 like that's that's like timeless. That's like from the because 2:11:59.360 --> 2:12:02.880 he used to do that. Ship at the Giants oversize 2:12:02.880 --> 2:12:09.680 because those old sweat suits, the old baggy ones, when 2:12:09.720 --> 2:12:11.400 you used to cut them off, like that was like 2:12:11.440 --> 2:12:15.360 your only that was your way of differentiating yourself because 2:12:15.360 --> 2:12:18.320 we all wore the same one. Amen, So like that 2:12:18.480 --> 2:12:20.040 was like your he kind of did. 2:12:19.880 --> 2:12:23.280 That early drip. Plus plus your your hands are free, 2:12:23.320 --> 2:12:24.640 you're not messing with your lease. 2:12:24.760 --> 2:12:27.200 And then pocket and you also go to hood just 2:12:27.240 --> 2:12:30.160 in case you want to go hood over hat because look, 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:34.839 even Shanahan does hood. See Shanahan does hoodie with jacket 2:12:34.880 --> 2:12:37.600 over open open jacket, which is cool. 2:12:37.720 --> 2:12:39.720 I like having a hood little versatility there. 2:12:39.920 --> 2:12:41.600 Bill looks like you should be in the weight room. 2:12:41.600 --> 2:12:43.320 Bro Okay, we're going. Well, my coach looked like you 2:12:43.320 --> 2:12:45.480 should be in the weight room. We're going Bill, We're 2:12:45.480 --> 2:12:46.000 going Bill. 2:12:45.920 --> 2:12:46.400 I'm going Bill. 2:12:46.600 --> 2:12:48.840 We also missed the bum Phillips cowboy hat in the 2:12:48.840 --> 2:12:51.800 Headworth section. We should pick we were right with the 2:12:51.840 --> 2:12:55.520 Phillips or the Shanahan flat Bill, but cowboy. 2:12:55.160 --> 2:12:56.040 Hat is a vibe. 2:12:56.200 --> 2:12:59.280 You gotta you gotta be coaching in the state of Texas. Okay, pants, 2:12:59.320 --> 2:13:04.080 this is only one answer, only Texas pants. See, I 2:13:04.120 --> 2:13:06.040 would say I don't like khakis. 2:13:06.200 --> 2:13:08.440 I would say, if they're going to be khakis, I 2:13:08.520 --> 2:13:11.680 want some big old pleats there. I need those boys pleated. 2:13:11.840 --> 2:13:15.800 I'm talking Charlie Weis's Pete Carroll circa Notre Dame usc 2:13:16.400 --> 2:13:20.280 Bush push game pleats. But with the bill Hoodie, I 2:13:20.280 --> 2:13:22.560 don't like it. No, I don't like it. I want 2:13:22.640 --> 2:13:24.040 some some wind pants. 2:13:23.880 --> 2:13:27.280 Or we do we have to be like a nice 2:13:27.320 --> 2:13:31.680 look top the bottom, or we picked the best thing forehead. 2:13:31.240 --> 2:13:34.320 For we're building a look we're building. Yeah, so it 2:13:34.360 --> 2:13:35.200 all has to go together. 2:13:35.240 --> 2:13:37.320 I think it needs to. It needs to. 2:13:37.440 --> 2:13:44.560 Going with like a baggie windbreaker rain gear machine. Yeah, 2:13:44.720 --> 2:13:49.480 all day, all day they have that. I want some bottom, 2:13:49.920 --> 2:13:51.720 so a bust of sag. I got, I got, I 2:13:51.720 --> 2:13:54.240 got area where I can keep my my flag. I 2:13:54.240 --> 2:13:56.640 don't have a small ass little because if I'm gonna 2:13:56.680 --> 2:13:59.240 keep it myself, I don't. I don't need a tapered 2:13:59.240 --> 2:14:01.880 assing where I can't get my hand under my ship 2:14:01.920 --> 2:14:03.920 because my calf is so big. I want some baggy 2:14:04.040 --> 2:14:06.600 you gotta hide your flag, I got packed pockets. 2:14:06.840 --> 2:14:09.400 What about this take just I'd love to hear your opinion. 2:14:09.600 --> 2:14:10.880 Here's a team that we was our a bit of 2:14:10.920 --> 2:14:14.960 a rival in high school ConA, but all their coaches 2:14:14.960 --> 2:14:20.440 would have matching short cargo shorts with calf high black 2:14:20.520 --> 2:14:24.200 socks the whole season, even if it was snowing. The 2:14:24.200 --> 2:14:27.840 whole coaching staff, I'm not sure black socks. 2:14:27.960 --> 2:14:30.720 They deserve to be fired as an entire staff, the 2:14:30.760 --> 2:14:34.480 whole staff, the whole it's a bro staff. What that 2:14:34.600 --> 2:14:35.320 is insane? 2:14:35.840 --> 2:14:37.240 The whole, the whole coaching staff. 2:14:37.920 --> 2:14:40.040 Something I want to add to my to my hoodie, 2:14:40.560 --> 2:14:42.960 the baggy hoodie. I want to add. I want to 2:14:42.960 --> 2:14:46.720 put my belt on over my hoodie so it looks 2:14:46.760 --> 2:14:48.800 like I got a tool belt. But it's my, it's my, 2:14:49.200 --> 2:14:51.440 it's my pack. Trying to talk my radio. 2:14:52.160 --> 2:14:54.840 We didn't talk about color gray. I mean, there's red, 2:14:54.840 --> 2:14:55.360 there's blue. 2:14:56.360 --> 2:15:00.000 The whole hoodie. I'm not opposed to mixing it up, 2:15:00.080 --> 2:15:03.640 but we will say as mendment that keep track of 2:15:03.640 --> 2:15:07.480 Bill's fits from his coaching staff. Gray or blue is 2:15:07.520 --> 2:15:09.240 the best red bad thing I like. 2:15:09.360 --> 2:15:15.160 I personally like the the like three year old faded blue. Yes, 2:15:15.920 --> 2:15:20.360 like dog shit blue that has been maybe dried six 2:15:20.440 --> 2:15:24.200 hundred times. That something and where you get like that. 2:15:24.280 --> 2:15:26.520 You know sometimes you pull out of your pocket, You'll 2:15:26.560 --> 2:15:32.240 pull out the lint thing or the refreshing sheet. You 2:15:32.280 --> 2:15:34.000 know you put in your damn thing? Oh should I 2:15:34.160 --> 2:15:35.680 that's that means it's gonna be a good day. 2:15:35.680 --> 2:15:37.560 You find an extra twenty in the pocket. You're good, bro, 2:15:37.640 --> 2:15:38.080 You're good. 2:15:38.520 --> 2:15:40.440 I want I want a thousand. That thing needs to 2:15:40.440 --> 2:15:42.320 be dried a thousand times, and it's got to be 2:15:42.320 --> 2:15:44.400 two sizes too big. Blue. 2:15:44.840 --> 2:15:47.560 Would you ever cut a hole in your hoodie pocket 2:15:47.880 --> 2:15:49.480 for headphones like in high school? 2:15:50.160 --> 2:15:53.160 No, I in the pocket a whole headphones. 2:15:53.520 --> 2:15:56.080 I like to listen to my brain. Think when I 2:15:56.160 --> 2:15:56.960 was lifting. 2:15:57.280 --> 2:16:00.280 Facts, you guys never listened to headphones. I never, even 2:16:00.320 --> 2:16:01.440 though I liked to. 2:16:01.560 --> 2:16:04.160 I didn't run with headphones on when I was younger. 2:16:04.200 --> 2:16:06.680 And then in the weight room you got fucking weight room. 2:16:06.640 --> 2:16:11.440 Radio tunes blasting I'm self motivated and any and when 2:16:11.440 --> 2:16:13.320 I used to do my drills motivated. 2:16:13.560 --> 2:16:17.320 I've seen you watch highlight reels of yourself working out. Yeah, 2:16:17.400 --> 2:16:19.640 I guess that. 2:16:18.680 --> 2:16:21.160 That is self motivated, self, self motivate. 2:16:21.200 --> 2:16:24.920 Yeah, alright, full inception, Bro, full inception. 2:16:25.080 --> 2:16:27.760 He incepted me. I'm gonna do it now tonight. I 2:16:27.800 --> 2:16:28.919 need to motivate myself. 2:16:31.400 --> 2:16:32.680 Some clips of the podcast. 2:16:33.120 --> 2:16:35.560 Oh my goodness, all right, we get we're building. This 2:16:35.600 --> 2:16:38.240 fit is coming together very nicely. I hate it, Bro, 2:16:38.440 --> 2:16:43.039 I'm going monarchs, man. I kind of think Carol Carol 2:16:45.120 --> 2:16:47.560 with the with the vaults there fire. 2:16:47.400 --> 2:16:51.120 You could go Ernie taped up nikes, taped up nikes 2:16:51.320 --> 2:16:53.440 because he likes the rebucks where he's a man. 2:16:54.280 --> 2:16:56.400 We're going with the Ernie specials. Let's go with the 2:16:56.440 --> 2:17:01.800 Ernie Nikes because we like box more. Yeah, there you go, 2:17:02.520 --> 2:17:05.119 taped up rebox Rebok men on this podcast. Baby. 2:17:05.240 --> 2:17:08.440 And then just to throw a little flair in here, 2:17:08.959 --> 2:17:11.280 you know, a little bit of personality to it. We've 2:17:11.320 --> 2:17:13.600 already done that with our hoodie, shown that with uh, 2:17:14.080 --> 2:17:15.840 you know, some other elements of our fit. But any 2:17:15.879 --> 2:17:19.920 accessories we talk in pencil behind the ear Allah, Matty p. 2:17:20.440 --> 2:17:23.400 We chewing on anything. We got gum going beat Carrol Carroll, 2:17:23.440 --> 2:17:25.560 Gum do we have I got a full tin? 2:17:26.280 --> 2:17:28.280 I got I gotta I got a fanny pack with 2:17:28.440 --> 2:17:31.400 ten tens in the back of it, and that's where 2:17:31.440 --> 2:17:34.160 I might keep my challenge flag. And I'm just gonna 2:17:34.200 --> 2:17:36.200 have a I'm gonna have like you know, you have 2:17:36.280 --> 2:17:38.400 a guy that keeps you, the holy back guy, the 2:17:38.400 --> 2:17:40.600 holy back guy. Yep, he's I'm gonna have a homey 2:17:40.680 --> 2:17:42.120 back guy. And then I'm gonna have a dip guy. 2:17:42.800 --> 2:17:44.440 Can I Can I pitch for him to the team 2:17:44.959 --> 2:17:46.840 about a Mike McDaniel vape? 2:17:47.040 --> 2:17:49.800 What do you mean gripping vapes on the sideline? 2:17:51.160 --> 2:17:51.920 Get that out of here. 2:17:51.920 --> 2:17:54.280 No place for that in the NFL, Baby, No place, bro, 2:17:54.879 --> 2:17:59.000 no place for that, none between lines three other accessories. 2:18:00.280 --> 2:18:01.000 A big play sheet? 2:18:01.400 --> 2:18:03.440 Yeah you want to? You want to waffle house menu 2:18:03.520 --> 2:18:06.280 play sheet? Or are we talking Bill Belichick folded up 2:18:06.320 --> 2:18:07.480 you know a little piece of paper? 2:18:08.080 --> 2:18:09.760 Or do we just fucking note time? 2:18:09.959 --> 2:18:14.640 Yeah? Straight towar Agami status. 2:18:14.160 --> 2:18:18.280 Coach is dipping on the sideline. Oh yeah, there's signs 2:18:18.320 --> 2:18:21.640 it's illegal to do that. I got so by the way. 2:18:21.720 --> 2:18:24.080 I go to a Dodgers game and you gotta go 2:18:24.120 --> 2:18:28.520 through metal detectors. Cool, awesome, love it, like safeties over everything, 2:18:28.680 --> 2:18:34.600 pull out my tin, my wallet and uh walk through. 2:18:34.720 --> 2:18:37.920 They're like you can't have the tin. Oh that was right. 2:18:37.959 --> 2:18:39.680 That was the other week. Yeah, yeah, I was there 2:18:39.720 --> 2:18:41.760 with you can't have a tin at the I'm like, 2:18:42.200 --> 2:18:43.920 I'm at a baseball game. What do you mean I 2:18:43.959 --> 2:18:47.800 can't have a tin? They're like, it's banned in the stadium, 2:18:47.800 --> 2:18:49.680 you can't have any tobacco products. I go, we're at 2:18:49.680 --> 2:18:55.959 a We're at a baseball game. I mean, it's isn't this America? Like? No, 2:18:56.640 --> 2:18:58.040 I go, are you what? 2:18:58.160 --> 2:18:58.280 So? 2:18:58.760 --> 2:19:01.240 They made me throw my hip away. So as he 2:19:01.320 --> 2:19:03.160 was going to throw it, I took one dip, I 2:19:03.200 --> 2:19:07.640 put it in, and I walked through, seeing guy, I 2:19:07.680 --> 2:19:09.080 thought this used to be America's past. 2:19:09.920 --> 2:19:11.600 Just walk up to the dugout and be like, yo, 2:19:11.640 --> 2:19:12.640 anyone got intense. 2:19:12.959 --> 2:19:14.199 I think it's illegal in there too. 2:19:14.720 --> 2:19:15.600 I think it's illegal. 2:19:15.800 --> 2:19:17.600 You're telling me these guys are playing one hundred and 2:19:17.600 --> 2:19:19.800 sixty two games and it's not a single guy with 2:19:19.879 --> 2:19:20.680 a fat lip in. 2:19:20.840 --> 2:19:21.600 I don't know, man. 2:19:21.720 --> 2:19:24.640 I think it's it's big sunflower seed and big in 2:19:24.720 --> 2:19:27.080 big bubble gum industry is has pushed him out. 2:19:27.120 --> 2:19:30.080 I think, no, So what's our accessory? 2:19:30.240 --> 2:19:35.160 It's all I get a dip hey and put a 2:19:35.200 --> 2:19:39.840 parlay in for me. But bro, that game was great. 2:19:40.040 --> 2:19:41.600 That was a great games. 2:19:42.080 --> 2:19:48.039 Accessories here challenge flag and so we'll have we'll have 2:19:48.680 --> 2:19:52.600 intercom belt around the hoodie. Ye can see around the builder. 2:19:52.640 --> 2:19:56.600 I can see my my side pack, tool belt, tool belt. 2:19:57.040 --> 2:19:58.959 They have a couple of things on there. We got 2:19:58.959 --> 2:20:00.879 a dip guy. We got a whole back guy. Only 2:20:00.959 --> 2:20:01.800 back guy, dip guy. 2:20:02.000 --> 2:20:04.280 We're not going full waffle House play sheet, are we? 2:20:04.440 --> 2:20:08.560 Oh? Definitely we are, okaya because if I'm head, how. 2:20:08.520 --> 2:20:09.680 Is it fixed? 2:20:09.879 --> 2:20:12.800 Is one of those? It's definitely connected to me. It's belt, 2:20:12.840 --> 2:20:15.000 oh man, connected the tool belt just in case I 2:20:15.360 --> 2:20:17.680 want to use my hands as the motherfucker ref Yes, 2:20:18.000 --> 2:20:20.760 you drop it. It's connected to your tool belt. So 2:20:20.800 --> 2:20:22.959 then I can just what the fuck are you doing? 2:20:23.640 --> 2:20:27.360 Can you see? Can you see? What'd you get your 2:20:27.360 --> 2:20:28.360 eyes checked? Blood? 2:20:29.280 --> 2:20:31.320 What about how you feel about the Microsoft surface? 2:20:32.160 --> 2:20:35.080 Oh shit? Yeah? All right, Jane, I'll look at play 2:20:35.160 --> 2:20:39.800 thirty nine. She got it right there? Yeah, right there, 2:20:40.680 --> 2:20:43.879 open that thing up, Play thirty nine. All right, wall, that's. 2:20:43.760 --> 2:20:46.840 Off looking like you're reading the app side of the menu. 2:20:46.920 --> 2:20:48.760 Oh my god, full cheesecake factory. 2:20:49.040 --> 2:20:50.280 Cheesecake factory menu. 2:20:51.600 --> 2:20:52.520 Oh my gosh. 2:20:53.400 --> 2:20:55.800 Yeah, surfaces, we're breaking about three of those a game. 2:20:55.920 --> 2:21:01.160 Oh guy, Microsoft Stock, we got ashing those bad boys. 2:21:01.720 --> 2:21:03.720 I'm gonna I'm gonna staying on the table here real quick. 2:21:03.800 --> 2:21:04.000 Yeah. 2:21:04.480 --> 2:21:07.879 As we're as we're wrapping up this fire fit and say, 2:21:08.160 --> 2:21:13.200 I absolutely hate anyone post Lombardi era that wears a 2:21:13.240 --> 2:21:15.800 suit or a tie or any version of that on 2:21:15.840 --> 2:21:17.240 the sidelines. I hate it. 2:21:17.360 --> 2:21:20.160 Who's done that? Like Al Golden at Miami was doing 2:21:20.200 --> 2:21:23.080 it like literally not that long ago. 2:21:23.240 --> 2:21:27.320 Mike Nolan for the forty nine ers, Jack, I love 2:21:27.400 --> 2:21:29.640 it because that's fucking football when you wear the coat 2:21:29.680 --> 2:21:31.240 and the breath and you got the fedora. 2:21:31.600 --> 2:21:34.520 These guys wearing like windbreakers and ship. 2:21:34.720 --> 2:21:40.720 I want my coaching bands. 2:21:41.120 --> 2:21:43.400 Yeah, I mean, I just I can't do it anymore. 2:21:43.520 --> 2:21:45.120 It was a time and place. Let's leave it there. 2:21:45.480 --> 2:21:46.640 Hard disagree, all right. 2:21:46.800 --> 2:21:49.640 You gotta be Mike Dicka to be able to wear 2:21:49.640 --> 2:21:53.600 a sweater vest high and he was a badass football player. 2:21:54.000 --> 2:21:57.440 He could be some dude that just you know, like 2:21:58.360 --> 2:22:02.560 you know, to Josh's point, D three, dude loves the 2:22:02.600 --> 2:22:04.520 game of foot. You can't be going in there trying 2:22:04.560 --> 2:22:06.480 to set a trend on how to fucking dress. 2:22:06.760 --> 2:22:09.560 No, no, come on, But if. 2:22:09.440 --> 2:22:11.320 You're Mike Dicka and you want to wear a tie, 2:22:12.280 --> 2:22:14.040 I mean when you got it like that, I think 2:22:14.080 --> 2:22:18.320 he's eating glass before facts he can do it. I 2:22:18.320 --> 2:22:19.879 think I saw it on on YouTube video. 2:22:19.959 --> 2:22:23.760 If you got your own steak at glass look it up. 2:22:24.879 --> 2:22:28.959 One more thing where we're landing on sunglasses. Glasses, no glasses. 2:22:29.000 --> 2:22:32.200 I'm not a sunglass guy. Dude, Like he'll never war shades, 2:22:32.400 --> 2:22:35.080 not on the You gotta be able to see now 2:22:35.120 --> 2:22:38.800 if I had crazy, like if I'm in Miami and 2:22:38.840 --> 2:22:40.840 it's I don't know, maybe that like if you get 2:22:40.879 --> 2:22:43.160 sun in your eyes when they're putting you on that 2:22:43.280 --> 2:22:46.080 visitors sideline. Actually, I think I'm gonna go with Google Glass. 2:22:49.320 --> 2:22:51.560 I'm gonna go Google glass so I could maybe get 2:22:51.560 --> 2:22:54.080 like yardage stuff in my thing. So when I'm looking 2:22:54.120 --> 2:22:55.760 at the sideline, I can see where the first down 2:22:55.760 --> 2:22:58.480 where the drive started. It's like marked in my fucking 2:22:58.520 --> 2:23:02.119 goggles Google glass down in distance. I want a VR 2:23:02.240 --> 2:23:04.800 thing I want so then I can get a better 2:23:04.840 --> 2:23:06.879 look I wanted. I want to I want a camera 2:23:06.959 --> 2:23:09.400 on the ball, so then if I'm the coach, I 2:23:09.400 --> 2:23:11.160 can see where the quarterback is s thirling with with 2:23:11.440 --> 2:23:15.200 like in the pile. I want that first hitd coach 2:23:15.280 --> 2:23:16.120 right vr hdset. 2:23:16.360 --> 2:23:19.480 All right, let's wrap this up, give us the give 2:23:19.560 --> 2:23:20.400 us the rundown. 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:25.599 This full fit coming to a sideline near you. Shanahan, 2:23:25.720 --> 2:23:29.120 flat bill, Bill Belichick, cut off hoodie. We got our 2:23:29.160 --> 2:23:32.800 rain gear, windbreaker pants not tapered, loose at the bottom, 2:23:32.879 --> 2:23:35.840 a little bit bag to him. Ernie taped up rebox 2:23:35.920 --> 2:23:39.920 on the feet. We got tins around our belt. We 2:23:40.000 --> 2:23:42.760 got a dip guy. We got to hold me back guy. 2:23:43.320 --> 2:23:47.560 We have our play sheet that is cheesecake factory, large 2:23:47.600 --> 2:23:51.720 fully laminated. It's got multiple foldouts attached to the belt, 2:23:51.800 --> 2:23:54.280 affixed so that when we are letting the refs have it, 2:23:54.280 --> 2:23:58.560 it is not falling to the ground. And no shades. 2:23:59.760 --> 2:24:00.280 That's it. 2:24:00.280 --> 2:24:00.760 I think. 2:24:02.360 --> 2:24:03.000 Air monarch. 2:24:03.120 --> 2:24:05.360 And we got the Ernie taped up rebox. 2:24:05.400 --> 2:24:08.879 Oh yeah, yeah, good, good good good. No, no taped 2:24:08.879 --> 2:24:09.240 every box. 2:24:09.320 --> 2:24:12.200 Yeah, I mean, just an all time fit. 2:24:12.959 --> 2:24:15.480 Dude, I'm dialing up some crazy players. 2:24:15.959 --> 2:24:17.160 And we're weird to be our headset. 2:24:17.360 --> 2:24:22.240 Sorry, that's an implant, and we gotta what is it 2:24:22.280 --> 2:24:26.920 the thing that elon cyber chip? What is it cyber chip. No, 2:24:27.920 --> 2:24:33.160 what's it called neural link? I put the neural link in. Remember, 2:24:33.320 --> 2:24:37.439 I basically put brain. I put Ernie's brain in a neurallink, 2:24:37.480 --> 2:24:38.960 and I just put it. I'm gonna put it in 2:24:39.000 --> 2:24:39.600 the back of my. 2:24:39.600 --> 2:24:41.040 Neck, right in the cerebellum. 2:24:41.280 --> 2:24:43.920 Right. Serotonin. 2:24:44.520 --> 2:24:46.560 We'll be having tons of that after we after we 2:24:46.640 --> 2:24:49.240 score touchdowns, and after we do this live show. 2:24:49.240 --> 2:24:49.600 This week. 2:24:49.720 --> 2:24:52.320 Let's live show was finished by the time, I hope 2:24:52.320 --> 2:24:55.280 you got an awesome time and everything levels are I'll 2:24:55.320 --> 2:24:55.879 be wearing. 2:24:55.680 --> 2:24:59.240 That merge hell e merge. Well, that was a hell 2:24:59.280 --> 2:25:01.240 of a game. That was a hell of an episode. 2:25:01.280 --> 2:25:05.400 Thanks again to Josh. That's been another episode of Games 2:25:05.400 --> 2:25:09.200 with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen 2:25:09.200 --> 2:25:11.680 to your podcasts. Come in a game you want us 2:25:11.720 --> 2:25:17.440 to do and remember, rate and review. 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