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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey investies, and a huge Happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to you. Today on the show, we're revisiting our first

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Speaker 1: conversation with Clia Shearer and Joanna Teplin, the masterminds behind

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Speaker 1: the Home Edit and now co hosts of Extreme Makeover

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Speaker 1: Home Edition. It's Wednesday, January First. I'm Simone Boyce and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from

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Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to

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Speaker 2: share women's stories, to laugh, learn and brighten your day. Simone,

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Speaker 2: It's New Year's Day and I'm feeling motivated to get organized.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm not alone.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of two better people to be on

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Speaker 2: the show today than fellow Hello Sunshine besties, Clea Sharer

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Speaker 2: and Joanna Teplin. They're professional organizers and the founders of

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Speaker 2: The Home Edit. They're organizing company. Plus they're authors of

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Speaker 2: two New York Times bestselling books, The Home Edit State Organized,

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Speaker 2: The Ultimate Guide to Making Systems Stick, and The Home

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Speaker 2: Edit Life, The No Guilt Guide to owning what you

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Speaker 2: want and organizing Everything. They're also the hosts of the

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Speaker 2: Netflix series Get Organized with the Home Edit, which is

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Speaker 2: so fun to watch and I know it motivated all

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Speaker 2: of us to clean out our closets and our drunk drawers.

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Speaker 1: These two started The Home Edit in twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 1: by the spring of twenty twenty two, I mean, they

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Speaker 1: were off to the races. Hell of Sunshine, acquired their company,

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Speaker 1: and now they're the new co hosts of the Extreme

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Speaker 1: Home Makeover Home Edition Reboot, which is coming soon to ABC.

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Speaker 2: They're here now to tell us about their first meeting

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Speaker 2: in Nashville, the ground rules for their friendship and business partnership,

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Speaker 2: and if it's time to say goodbye to those shoe

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Speaker 2: boxes in your closet.

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Speaker 1: Clia and Joanna, Welcome to the bright Sidehi, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having us.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, two friends and two friends. This is gonna be

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Speaker 2: really fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Many of us know you both, and of course your

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Speaker 2: present day success, but I'm not sure everyone actually knows

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Speaker 2: how it all be.

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Speaker 3: Again, how did you two meet each other?

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Speaker 4: So a lot of people assume that Joanna and I

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Speaker 4: have been friends forever and started a business together, and

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Speaker 4: actually the opposite is true. We met through a friend

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Speaker 4: and we went on like a blind friend lunch date

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Speaker 4: and went into business together that same day. So the

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Speaker 4: day we met is the day we started the home edit,

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Speaker 4: and we did not do background checks or google each

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Speaker 4: other or do anything smart.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that we did do that.

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Speaker 4: Was smart was come up with our name, our logo,

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Speaker 4: our social handles. We got our website domain, we started

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Speaker 4: our legal paperwork, everything that same day. And you know,

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Speaker 4: again we always say, don't do what we did, but

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Speaker 4: it worked in this in particular instance. Literally, I think

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Speaker 4: within a day or two, we were setting up bank

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Speaker 3: So no, it was insane. It was insane, not smart.

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Speaker 3: Not smart. I knew we were both insane when we

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Speaker 3: were trying to set up this friendship date. I absolutely

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Speaker 3: did not want a business partner, and I was unsure

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Speaker 3: about having another friend. I'm just sort of a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a loner these last ten years, I guess.

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Speaker 3: And but the thing is is like when I met Cleia,

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Speaker 3: we had the same story. We both had kids, exact

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Speaker 3: same ages, and we both moved to Nashville sight unseen

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Speaker 3: for our husband's jobs. And so I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: she's impulsive, Like we are very similar, and so I'm like,

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Speaker 4: We also we brought the same intensity to the conversation

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Speaker 4: when we sat down to lunch. It was like we

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Speaker 4: weren't like so like what's your favorite vacation spot? We

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Speaker 4: were like, now, what are your strengths and weaknesses? Anything duplicative,

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Speaker 4: like tell me your talent, tell me where you're bad at.

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Speaker 3: I mean we just like we just got right into it.

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Speaker 3: We waste no time.

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Speaker 2: You were both asking the questions or was one person

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, we both gotta love it.

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Speaker 4: It was a destined, faded lunch. It lasted four hours

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Speaker 4: and that evening when we got home, we started setting

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Speaker 4: with you know, the name the home edit. We went

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Speaker 4: through a bunch of different scenarios and yeah, organizers are

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's the bottom line. Should have The biggest surprise

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Speaker 3: is that the friendship that came out of this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: And I don't believe that the business would have been

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Speaker 2: I hear this and I want to know how because

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at you two, and I'm like, Okay, the

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Speaker 2: power of female friendship, But how did your friendship help

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Speaker 3: It sustained it.

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Speaker 4: We know a lot of duos in multiple different industries

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Speaker 4: actual true friendship. And I think that you know, that

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Speaker 4: ends up showing after a certain amount of time, and

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Speaker 4: Joanna and I spend an inordinate amount of time together,

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Speaker 4: all of our lives together. Really, our homes that we

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Speaker 3: What, yes, we counted. We're insane. So your husbands get along?

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Speaker 3: If we didn't love spending every minute together.

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Speaker 4: And again, like we spend every minute together and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just lightning in a bottle, right,

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Speaker 1: You guys made it work because there's something special about YouTube,

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Speaker 1: straight a little bit. You launched your company in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: You start the company together after only knowing each other

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Speaker 3: Take us back to the early days that followed.

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Speaker 1: What did the home edit look like before it became

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Speaker 3: One of the.

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Speaker 4: Things that I think is so integral to our early

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Speaker 4: success is we both completely one hundred percent aligned on

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Speaker 4: that it continues to spur more work and more business

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Speaker 4: for us. So we started to reach out to friends, neighbors.

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Speaker 3: And we had one client.

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Speaker 3: It was our very first job together.

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Speaker 4: And you know, again, everything was gelling, everything was working.

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Speaker 4: Joanna had an organizing business in San Francisco, and I

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Speaker 4: had never done it professionally, but like, who knew what

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Speaker 4: it would be like to actually organize together, right, you could.

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Speaker 3: Talk about a business, right. I think from this second

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Speaker 3: we started, you know, things can fall apart quickly if

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Speaker 3: you're not matched with work ethic. And I think that

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Speaker 3: the reason I never wanted to have a business partner.

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Speaker 3: I had had multiple businesses in the past, and it

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Speaker 3: it was shocking because that's something you just can't prepare for.

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Speaker 3: Like someone can say, yeah, yea, yeah, I'm all in

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Speaker 3: You can't know. And the thing is, it's like every

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Speaker 3: day the two of us both showed up every single day,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, showing up paid off because in twenty twenty two, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Sunshine acquired your company. Can you give us the full

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Speaker 3: Yes, I will give you the full real story.

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Speaker 4: I think it needs to start though, just a couple

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Speaker 4: months after we formed our business in August, I really

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Speaker 4: and I said, let's do projects for them in exchange

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Speaker 4: They reimbursed us for product like at the container store,

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Speaker 4: then our first really big client was Gwyneth Paltrow. That

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Speaker 3: And I was like, are they going to open the gate?

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Speaker 4: It was a cold M and it was just like, Hi, Gwyneth,

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Speaker 4: it's such an honor that you decided to follow us.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to do a project for you. Anything you

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Speaker 4: Just we're just in your snow yeah, right by the way,

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Speaker 4: we're outside actually yeah, And she wrote back, how lucky

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Speaker 4: am I? That's literally her words, How lucky am I?

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Speaker 3: We also had Mollie Sims early on too, Now that

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of that, Molly was before Gwyneth. I believe, yes,

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Speaker 4: A very early project, and one thing that really changed

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Speaker 4: Hand to god, we've had under five fights in nine years.

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Speaker 3: That's right. The trust is so implicit that you remove

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Speaker 1: You two are a testament to the power of trust

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Speaker 1: Okay, clean, Joanna, We have some rapid fire questions for

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Speaker 1: what is your take on junk drawers. Are they actually

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Speaker 4: Like it would be a household drawer, multipurpose drawer, general drawer.

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Speaker 4: But if there's junk in it, well that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: I bet it's the top drawer and almost everyone's kitchen

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. What you can do is use found objects throughout

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Speaker 2: I like like old iPhone boxes make great general drawer bins,

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Speaker 3: Comes in at iPhone box. Okay, she's the expert. Don't

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Speaker 4: It's not if you use them great, but we run

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Speaker 3: And so that's where we can't wrap her head around.

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Speaker 3: the space. So at some point the space will tell

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Speaker 3: Do you want any space between each hangar? Like do

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't ever start in a closet too, because that

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Speaker 3: you run into a separate issue, which is emotional landmines,

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Speaker 3: of understanding how important and effective that organizing can be.

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Speaker 3: Do not start there, because you will run into like,

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Speaker 3: oh god, if I have another baby, did I gain weight?

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Speaker 3: What if I lose? It's going to distract you. You

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Speaker 3: got to start where you don't have the emotional ties.

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Speaker 3: Start in the kitchen, start pantry, start anywhere else. Do

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Speaker 1: Right, they're the queens of tough love. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love it, so I love that you don't you don't

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Speaker 1: mis around it. Yeah, no, because we need we need you,

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Speaker 1: We need someone to give us tough love.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you both, and I so so

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: This was fun. This was so fun. Thank you, guys,

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Speaker 3: This was so fun. Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 2: Clia Scher and Joanna Teplin are professional organizers, founders of

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Speaker 2: the Home Edit and hosts of the Netflix series Get

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Speaker 2: Organized with the Home Edit thanks to our partners at Airbnb.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, on the bright Side,

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Speaker 1: we're revisiting our conversation with journalist, author, and friendship expert

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Speaker 1: Anna Goldfarb.

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Speaker 3: See you tomorrow, folks. Keep looking on the bright side.