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Speaker 1: channel as well. I want to get to this story

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Speaker 1: because I think this is super important debunking the statistics

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Speaker 1: that are being thrown around by big blue state governors

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Speaker 1: and big blue city leaders. Well, okay, the statistics show

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Speaker 1: that blue cities and states are safer when it comes

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Speaker 1: to crime and homicide, so says the libs running those areas. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is all coming on the back of President Trump saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna send the National Guard into these areas in

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Speaker 1: order to protect the federal facilities. Like in places like Portland,

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Speaker 1: whre Agon is so peaceful. You can just enjoy a

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Speaker 1: But in response to that, there have been memes being made.

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Speaker 1: Governor Abbott of Texas posted a meme that basically said,

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Speaker 1: the blue leaders are very very upset President Trump. Do

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Speaker 1: not touch our crime. We love our crime in this city. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's been interesting is a bunch of the blue governors

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Speaker 1: have been responding to that tweet, specifically New York and

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Speaker 1: California with some statistics. Now, the question is whether or

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Speaker 1: not those statistics are accurate and representing the whole picture.

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Speaker 1: First of which is Governor Kathy Hokeel. She responded with

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Speaker 1: to that meme that Governor Abbot posted with this, Texas

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Speaker 1: total crime rate is twenty point five percent higher than

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Speaker 1: New York's. In case you're confused, that means it's worse.

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Speaker 1: Of course, lives are trying to do those Mike Drop,

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Speaker 1: I gotcha. With these sorts of statistics, Well, then you

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Speaker 1: have to ask the question, is that really what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Is crime in New York actually less bad than it

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Speaker 1: I know this is going to come as a shock

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Speaker 1: to most people, but in the great State of Texas,

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Speaker 2: Enforce the law. They actually prosecute.

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Speaker 1: Crime, and therefore they have more convictions of criminals, unlike

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Speaker 1: crime percentage of your overall population against other places that

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Speaker 1: do prosecute crimes. Let me give you an example. This

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Speaker 1: is our friend Savannah Craven. You may remember this clip

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Speaker 3: I'm not the one who admitted they would be okay

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Speaker 2: That's the point what secks.

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Speaker 1: That is horrible and I apologize for having to show

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Speaker 1: of the example here, Glenn, can you pull up graphic

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Speaker 1: like after this brutal attack by a person who wants

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Speaker 1: months later, Alvin Bragg, the famous Manhattan District Attorney, dropped

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Speaker 1: a big case to prosecute the former president of the

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't charge this on video, clear assault of a

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Speaker 1: conservative activists who's just asking questions on the street. Now,

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Speaker 1: it as a crime. All of that's to be said, sure,

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Speaker 1: Kathy Hokel. I guess in theory, statistically, you can say that, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are twenty percent more crimes in the state of Texas. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if the state prosecutes crimes and therefore has criminals being

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Speaker 1: quote unquote crime that is convicted. If you don't prosecute,

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Speaker 1: guess what, You're gonna have more crime, and your statistic

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Speaker 1: is also going to be lower. That's not exactly how

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Speaker 1: actually like to prosecute crime and enforce the law. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't, you don't get to brag about how

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Speaker 1: your crime rate is quote unquote lower. Ask anybody on

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Speaker 1: brings us to another big blue governor. Governor Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: of California also quote tweeted or quote posted next this

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Speaker 1: meme from this very accurate meme from Governor Greg Abbot.

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Speaker 1: He says, hey, at Greg Abbott, Texas homicide rate is

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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent higher than California's. Call home your national

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Speaker 1: guard and deal with your crime epidemic. Ooh, burn from

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Speaker 1: the governor of California. I wonder where he's getting those statistics. Well,

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Speaker 1: they actually came from the CDC, And yeah, those are

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Speaker 1: FBI came out with a new system of reporting crime

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Speaker 1: does California entirely adhere to those new reporting practices, the

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Speaker 1: answer is no. In twenty twenty two, ninety eight point

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Speaker 1: eight percent of Texas law enforcement agencies. We're we're adherent

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Speaker 1: to the new FBI system, the National Incident based Reporting System. Basically,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of Texas policing agencies submitted all of

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Speaker 1: their data to the FBI in twenty twenty two. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is part of a rollout of the FBI's again

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Speaker 1: national incident based reporting system. California, fifty percent half of

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Speaker 1: And here, I guess I don't know if the math

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Speaker 1: to half of the crimes committed in your state, I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that the crimes in.

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Speaker 2: Your state would look lower.

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Speaker 1: Is not difficult math. Now, the numbers that Gavin was

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Speaker 1: and not much improved. It only jumped to seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent in California of policing agencies were reporting to the

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Speaker 1: national Incident based reporting system that the FBI has, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't including one of the biggest crime centers, San

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Speaker 1: Bernardino County, California. And if you're familiar with California, you're

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Speaker 1: familiar with San Bernardino and if you omit the crime

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Speaker 1: You have less crime. Now, the numbers from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four and obviously twenty twenty five are not available. But

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Speaker 1: the bottom line here is Governor Newsom is quoting statistics

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Speaker 1: I will say this, it's not homicide rates aren't good

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Speaker 1: Homicide is bad. I feel like that's a thing that

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Speaker 1: be reiterated. But at the same time, you can't fudge

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Speaker 1: but they only have them because you guys didn't report

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Speaker 1: all of the crime statistics that came in through this

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Speaker 1: new system. I realized it's a little bit convoluted, it's

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Speaker 1: the crime statistics are going to look lower. Thanksgavin for

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Speaker 1: helping point that out through the state that is not

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Speaker 1: that is not submitting all of the data. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting too several of the articles about this,

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Speaker 1: no problem at all. One hundred percent of them are

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Speaker 1: reporting to the entirety of all of their quote unquote

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Speaker 1: crime statistics. But again, Governor Newsom and Governor Hogel are

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Speaker 2: What's the quotes?

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Speaker 1: There lies damn lies and statistics, and that is what

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Speaker 1: we are seeing here. But there was one other governor

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Speaker 1: that was in that meme shared by Greg Abbott. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised he didn't take up the entire scene because well,

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Speaker 1: This I thought was interesting too. This is coming out

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Speaker 1: of bright Burton News. They actually compiled all of the

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Speaker 1: crime data and the shooting victims in the in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: specifically throughout the last ten years, and the number is

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Speaker 1: staggering and shocking. War Zone Chicago sees over thirty two

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Speaker 1: thousand shooting victims in the last decade alone. This comes

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Speaker 1: of them fatally. And this is another interesting statistic too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Chicago's shooting deaths have gone down. One of the freakonomics

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Speaker 1: stayed the same. Deaths have gone down, which is good.

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Speaker 1: Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Knowles Show and not

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Speaker 3: the fact that my voice is kind of like fast

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Speaker 3: and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, a little higher pishing goes.

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Speaker 3: It keeps you on the edge of your seat, whereas

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Speaker 3: you like your voice all boring and they're like, a.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe he's right.

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Speaker 1: Have you met anybody who listens to your show to

438
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Speaker 1: go to bed to go to That's that's the true test,

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Speaker 1: because you know some people. I listen to stand up

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Speaker 1: comedy every time I go to bed, like just really,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I have it in your pot. Probably a

442
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Speaker 1: bad habit of mine, yea. But it started when I

443
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Speaker 1: had an accounting professor in college who I could not

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Speaker 1: stay awake in his class, so I listened to his

445
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Speaker 1: lectures in my head. And then it's transitioning to stand

446
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Speaker 1: up comedy. But have you met anybody who's who's listened

447
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Speaker 1: to the Michael Moles Show as they fall asleep?

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Speaker 3: I think I actually have. And then I was saying, well,

449
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Speaker 3: what if what about the flip side like Ben the show?

450
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Speaker 3: And I thought, well, maybe it's like I know people

451
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Speaker 3: who they'll put in his zin before they go to bed,

452
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Speaker 3: and that's kind of the Ben version me. I'm the

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Speaker 3: opium pipe before you go to bed. But Ben's the

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Speaker 3: he's like the fifteen MILLI Lippilly you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh bad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Interesting?

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Speaker 1: What is your what is your You're at a be

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Speaker 1: conservative movement conference right, which I've realized is like the

460
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Speaker 1: Olympics of hot takes. Everybody's trying to out hot take

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Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, and uh, do you have one of

462
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Speaker 1: those prepared for for your speech tonight?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna walk out. I'm gonna walk out and

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Speaker 2: say who you know? I say, hey, yeah, you know?

466
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Speaker 3: And I say hey, So I think we can all

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Speaker 3: agree that the Epstein story is completely above board and

468
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Speaker 3: there are no additional questions.

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Speaker 2: That is the joke you're gonna make, should I?

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Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I wonder I think you should.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that one because that's kind of the newsiest

472
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Speaker 3: part of the day and there. When when Trump was elected,

473
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Speaker 3: I had this thought, which is, should I try to

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Speaker 3: get a position in the administration?

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Speaker 2: That could be really fun?

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Speaker 3: I support Trump and I'm really excited by what they're doing.

477
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Speaker 3: I'd like to maybe help if I could. I thought

478
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Speaker 3: maybe that could be fun. Ultimately, you know, so, no,

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Speaker 3: maybe I won't do that because because there are downsides

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Speaker 3: to government. Looking at the past week, I am reminded

481
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Speaker 3: of of one reason people don't want to take these jobs. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a thankless week, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're you're saying you don't consider yourself running

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Speaker 1: or see yourself running for anything.

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Speaker 3: Or running or I was even when he got in,

486
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe I could help out the administration, but

487
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Speaker 3: or yeah, I mean maybe running down the line or

488
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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, if my country called on me.

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Speaker 3: But there are downsides to running for office. There are

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Speaker 3: a million downsides. But even in this case, you got

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Speaker 3: people in the Trump administration who are are terrific, and

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Speaker 3: they're they've given up a lot in a private sector

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Speaker 3: to come help out.

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Speaker 2: The country and the admin.

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Speaker 3: And they're working tirelessly and often thanklessly.

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Speaker 2: And then every so often.

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Speaker 3: Any issue comes up, like the Epstein thing, which it

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Speaker 3: could be one of two things. Either the official government

499
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Speaker 3: story is true and he was a really rich pervert

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Speaker 3: and he was friends with all the most powerful people

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Speaker 3: on earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Elie Maxwell's in prison for

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Speaker 3: trafficking girls to know one.

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Speaker 2: So either that's true or so like, if that's true,

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Speaker 2: you have the whole story, yeah, or.

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Speaker 3: That's not true or it's not the story, and guess what,

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Speaker 3: You're still not going to get the whole story.

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Speaker 2: But either way, if this thing is.

508
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Speaker 3: An intelligence operation, you ain't never gonna get those files.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then if it's not, you already.

510
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Speaker 3: Have all the information, so there's no way out of it.

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Speaker 3: This is this is how I felt when the JFK

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Speaker 3: files were going to be released. I remember the ADMIN

513
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Speaker 3: released whatever, sixty thousand files or something, and I remember

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Speaker 3: that day, I said, whatever, they released JFK files, let

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Speaker 3: me know if you find anything.

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Speaker 2: I moved on. The audience yelled at me.

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Speaker 3: I said, you're ignoring this bombshell newstand said, bombshell news story.

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Speaker 3: One thing I promise you is there is nothing in

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Speaker 3: those files. Because if Kennedy were not killed by a

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Speaker 3: lone gunman and on Grassy Knoll, if Kennedy were killed

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Speaker 3: by the CIA, the Mob, the Masad, the Soviets, the Cubans,

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Speaker 3: George Bush, Lyndon Johnson, or some combination, they're off. If

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Speaker 3: you were killed by them.

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Speaker 2: You ain't never gonna find out there. I just thought,

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Speaker 2: And so I guess.

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Speaker 3: My defense of the administration is in state craft, there

527
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Speaker 3: is espionage, there are cover ups, there are grand strategic

528
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Speaker 3: objectives that involve global.

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Speaker 2: Alliances that could upset the entire world order.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes you don't get full transparency, and governments can't

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Speaker 3: be fully transparent, and they shouldn't be fully transparent. And

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Speaker 3: I get all of that. But if you this week

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Speaker 3: are some of these really good guys, from Dan, Bongino

534
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Speaker 3: and Sattel all the way up to Trump himself, and

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Speaker 3: you have I love Trump's reaction where he goes, you're

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Speaker 3: asking me about this again, I want to talk about

537
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Speaker 3: all the good stuff I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: If you're one of these guys, this has got to

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Speaker 2: be one of those ones where you think this is

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Speaker 2: the most thankless job in the world.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, life objectively got way worse. Yeah, since yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would be happy being a billionaire in South Beach

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Speaker 1: and uh, not having any sort of responsibilities. Uh you

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Speaker 1: mentioned running for running for office and if your country

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Speaker 1: called on you. Okay, Now that's the excuse that just

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Speaker 1: about every politician. Yeah, it makes obviously you can't judge

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Speaker 1: the hearts of the average politician, but it always seems disingenuous.

548
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Speaker 1: Just it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It is that Okay that in a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of ways politicians running for office. It's fully self. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. No, I mean that's why, I mean, you

552
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Speaker 1: have public service.

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Speaker 3: I'm using the line jokingly obviously, but I know that.

554
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Speaker 3: But but it makes a good point that you're talking about,

555
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Speaker 3: which is people run. People do sometimes run for office

556
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Speaker 3: to get rich or famous or.

557
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Speaker 2: Have some influence.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm happy to say, not not bragging or nothing,

559
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Speaker 3: but by the grace of God and blank book sales

560
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Speaker 3: and everything that's fallowed since then, I haven't. I have

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Speaker 3: enough notoriety. I don't have to run for Congress to

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Speaker 3: get notoriety. I have enough money. I have more money

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Speaker 3: than I could make in Congress, and I think I've

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Speaker 3: got some political influence, so a little bit at a

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Speaker 3: little bit, but I mean sincerely.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're probably of people with a lot more

567
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Speaker 2: political NaNs than I have.

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Speaker 3: But meaning, if I were to run, all three of

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Speaker 3: those things would diminish. Yes, So you'd say, well, and

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Speaker 3: like for Trump at an extreme scale, all three of

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Speaker 3: those things diminished, and they tried to in prison and

572
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Speaker 3: murder him. So why would you do it? There there

573
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Speaker 3: is an answer, and it is a little bit self serving,

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Speaker 3: but it's a public serving too, which is you want

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Speaker 3: to do something you want to be in it. You

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Speaker 3: want to be the man in the arena and not

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Speaker 3: just the guy talking about the guy in the arena.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's very much Trump, and I think

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Speaker 3: that that can be good. Where you align kind of

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Speaker 3: personal ambition with the common good, that that is great.

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Speaker 3: And you get these politicians every once in a while.

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Speaker 3: For the rest of them though, as you say, these

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Speaker 3: guys who are self serving, you just want to get

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Speaker 3: famous or rich or corrupt, I don't whatever. You know.

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Speaker 3: I would say there are easier ways to make a buck.

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Speaker 2: But in a way, I think we need those people.

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Speaker 1: I have no interest, so you no need the We

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Speaker 1: need the people who are self serving to run for

589
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Speaker 1: Congress because I don't want to run for Congress.

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Speaker 2: That sounds horrible.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the worst job on the planet is

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Speaker 3: the worst job in the planet being in Congress.

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Speaker 2: It's even the Senate would be cool.

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Speaker 1: Being the president would suck.

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Speaker 2: Being in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: The you're still away from your family five days a week.

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Speaker 3: You're still not allowed to make You can make quite

598
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Speaker 3: a good salary, but you can't make zillions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. Can't really do anything. You can do

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Speaker 2: a little bit more than if you're in Congress.

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Speaker 3: But you still don't have executive authority. So at least

602
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Speaker 3: president you can really do stuff.

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Speaker 2: You can actually do something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But as a judge in Maryland says, otherwise, that's true.

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Speaker 3: You can do stuff unless one out of seven hundred

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Speaker 3: district great judges like woke up on the wrong side

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Speaker 3: of the bed that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that's true. So it's like you could

609
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Speaker 2: do it. But there is this.

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Speaker 3: Problem right now, I think on the right, which is

611
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Speaker 3: there's not much incentive to run for office.

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Speaker 2: Right, you can.

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Speaker 3: We've built out our think tanks. We got these great

614
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Speaker 3: thing tanks. We built out great media organizations, great activist

615
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Speaker 3: organizations where you're in the private sector. But the Libs,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. There are gluttons for punishment. They want

617
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Speaker 3: to be in the government. They want to staff the bureaucraus.

618
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Speaker 3: They want to they want to trudge along in the

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Speaker 3: corridors of Congress.

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Speaker 2: They they they want it more I think than we

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Speaker 2: do a lot of the time.

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Speaker 1: In a did you throw that radio away?

623
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Speaker 2: Sorry I lost my train of thought there.

624
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Speaker 1: Talking about Congress talking about.

625
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Speaker 2: Democrats trudge away like animals.

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Speaker 1: So okay. So so here at turning point events, there's

627
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Speaker 1: a a big butting of heads of the conservatives versus

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Speaker 1: the libertarians, and there's a lot of libertarians who you know,

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Speaker 1: make compelling cases are here. You yeah know they're here.

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Speaker 2: You let libertarians and they're undercover.

631
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Speaker 1: They were let in because we have this pesky free

632
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Speaker 1: speech thing, but not.

633
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Speaker 2: Necessarily send them copies of my book.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, okay, So, so in that debate

635
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Speaker 1: between kind of the more lase fair and then the

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Speaker 1: more conservative government, do you think that there is a

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Speaker 1: with an increase in self morality or religion or Christianity

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Speaker 1: in the country, does that allow for more libertarianism?

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Speaker 2: This, yeah, that makes sense, it does. It does. If

640
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Speaker 2: we were to return to a.

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Speaker 3: Place where we had true freedom, which is the ability

642
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Speaker 3: to regulate ourselves and the inclination to do so, where

643
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Speaker 3: you don't so much need the heavy end of government

644
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: or cultural institutions, then yeah, we could tolerate more like

645
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: ridiculous dope smoking reddit using libertarianism. The problem is, though

646
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: the acid of that ideology would just.

647
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Instantly once again begin.

648
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Speaker 3: To erode and corrode the edifice, the conservative edifice on

649
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Speaker 3: which it's all built and you'd wind up in the

650
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Speaker 3: same place.

651
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Speaker 2: You know. I love my libertarian friends.

652
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: The best thing I can say about libertarianism is.

653
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I like the people.

654
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the ideology is ridiculous.

655
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: It's based on a false conception of human nature that

656
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: says that is fundamentally an individual, not a member of.

657
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: A political community.

658
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it says that freedom is the ability to

659
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: do whatever we wish, not the right to do what

660
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: we ought to do. And it's just live and wrong,

661
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: and it is politically ineffectual, it's electorally unpopular, and not

662
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: to put too finn a point on it, but it's bad.

663
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: But does how you really feel?

664
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

665
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we the people are great.

666
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: And the reason that there remains a conservative libertarian alliance

667
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: is because of mutual affection that comes out.

668
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Of like the Muslims and the trans It's like they

669
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: have no business cohabitating at all.

670
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, for some reason, you're a common enemy

671
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: the Jews.

672
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they like.

673
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: After the Second World War, you had the hard left

674
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: really the communists, Yes, and the libertarians hated communists because

675
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: of the collectivism. The traditional conservatives hated communists because of

676
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: the atheism and the materials, and the warhawks hated Communis

677
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union rather because of expansionism and imperialism. So

678
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: we all got together and that worked until it didn't,

679
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, but in the nineties it stopped working.

680
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: So it's an incoherent marriage.

681
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the libertarian moments such as it

682
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: is passed and that's yes, it's okay that it passed,

683
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: as good that it passed. So all those libertaries. I

684
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: like the people, but just just come on over to

685
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: the consider It's okay. The water is warm, I said.

686
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: I said, probably something too spicy in too short of

687
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: a time to give full context to what I was saying.

688
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna say it here because it's probably

689
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: you got to say it. Hold on, come on, we

690
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: were talking. I was going to pose the question, if

691
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: you could change or alter one historical moment in US history,

692
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: what would it be. That question was posed to me.

693
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I said, decided to get the Civil Rights Act and

694
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: didn't and didn't get the full.

695
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: The full chance to which is that you hate black people. Obvious,

696
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: that's it.

697
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: They did come to that conclusion because then I said,

698
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: signed the Civil Rights Act, and then they said and

699
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: that'll do it for us here and no context whatsoever.

700
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: That didn't actually happen.

701
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: I explained it a little bit, but Brown v.

702
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: Board of Education. That was the.

703
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: It helps because I.

704
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: Think I'm dark enough, and I think if you tan enough,

705
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: you will be as well.

706
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the Sicilians are a racially liminal people.

707
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: No, fine, but everyone.

708
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: Sees your point, which is the point Chris Caldwell made

709
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: in Age of Entitlements.

710
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: So I was, yeah, that's I think the book that

711
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: everybody's referenced recently of well, that's probably a couple of

712
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: years old now, but yeah, the idea that the government.

713
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: Shouldn't dictate well, and it ended created the Civil Rights Act.

714
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: I mean, there have been many civil rights acts in

715
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: the American is, of course, but the Civil Rights Act

716
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: in the sixties created effectively a parallel and rival constitution.

717
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: This is why every government office has a civil rights division,

718
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: because it eliminates free association, which is intrinsic to the

719
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: first version of constitutional principles. And so it you just

720
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: have this rivalry, and and sometimes the Civil Rights Constitution

721
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: wins out, and sometimes the old Constitution wins out. But

722
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 3: that's Coldwell's thesis and that's I suspect what you're talking about.

723
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and exactly, And I wish we had a video

724
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: monitors showed there's a there was a video that I saw.

725
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: It was one of those New York Subway card like

726
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: interview things, and he was interviewing this older black woman

727
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: and she's like, what's your hottest taken? She said, bring

728
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: back segregation, Like if it's a wide owned restaurant, I

729
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: want to know that your food isn't good. And I

730
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: thought to myself, you know, I think race has been

731
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: horrible and nobody should ever do it.

732
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: But but but did you hear them?

733
00:39:41,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: But the idea you include or disinclude, somebody should be

734
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 1: by the on the prerogatives And I'm.

735
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: Really opposed to genocide. But maybe I phrased that incorrectly. No,

736
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: of course though, but I would go back further than that.

737
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: You know, there there are there were errors that led

738
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: to that kind of stuff. Even get I'll get in

739
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: more trouble than you did for the Civil Rights Act,

740
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: which is that the fourteenth Amendment creates a lot of problems. Yeah,

741
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: again not because of the nineteenth Amendment. Well, just created

742
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: more protests derivatives.

743
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right. And we'll get to that one eventually.

744
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: But the Fourteenth Amendment creates a lot of problems.

745
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Not even people always focus on that as basically just

746
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: a way to welcome black people into the fabric. But

747
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: the problem is it's so overly broad that that the

748
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: basis of so much terrible jurisprudence that allows the Libs

749
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: to just rewrite the Constitution is grounded in the Fourteenth Amendment,

750
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: whether an invisible ink or or in the plain text

751
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: a bit also incorporating the Bill of Rights to the States,

752
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 3: and it creates it creates this kind of casque aiding

753
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: effect of jurisprudence that really upends the whole political order.

754
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: And so if you really wanted to start fixing stuff

755
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: in American history, and maybe maybe that or for you,

756
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll hold dread Scott or something outrage Well.

757
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: What is what is the same question posed to you?

758
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: What what kind of pinnacle turning point event, Hey, turning.

759
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: Point there we go.

760
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: H what event might you not necessarily completely flip, but

761
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: alter in just a little bit of way that you

762
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: think would set the country on a better trajectory historically.

763
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Well, now this is a little Monday morning quarterback. And

764
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't think this.

765
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: That's the whole premise of this question or asking you

766
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: if this is a history.

767
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: This is not realistic, but it's one.

768
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: It's one thing to say I would I would not

769
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: have ratified the seventeenth Amendment. That is more plausible than

770
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: what I'm about to say, Okay, which is I think

771
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: there might be a chance that the Civil War could

772
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: have been avoided. Every other country managed to get rid

773
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: of slavery without a civil war. Yeah, now we were

774
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: a little bit different. We were quite reliant on it.

775
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: The cotton gin, you know, accelerated the primacy of slavery

776
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: or the significance of slavery to the economy. We had

777
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: this kind of interesting historical development. They really give you

778
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: a north in the South. And so I don't know

779
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: that it would have been avoidable, but there were a

780
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: series of unfortunate events that led up to the Civil War.

781
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: Had we been able to eradicate slavery.

782
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: In a more orderly and conservative way without spilling the

783
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: blood of six hundred thousand Americans, I think a lot

784
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: of the historical wounds and negative self perception that we have.

785
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: Would would would have evaporated. This is so not where

786
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: I was planning on going here.

787
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: But do you think do you think Wilberforce was successful

788
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: in that because of proximity, things being closer together and

789
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: you're able to talk to people more as opposed to

790
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: kind of the North and the South be so geographically distance.

791
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Sure, the geographical distance is symbolic of an ideological difference,

792
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: which is that the South was the nearest thing. Russell

793
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: Kirk talks about this, the South was the nearest thing

794
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: we've ever had in America to the Old World, to

795
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: feudalism in an odd kind of nineteenth century form. But

796
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: this is the opening of Gone with the Wind, you know,

797
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: the land of gentlemen and knights and cavaliers. So you

798
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: have this old world kind of feudalism in the South,

799
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: and then you have this wiggish Yankee.

800
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 2: Puritanical ideology in the North.

801
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: Probably the true heirs of Northern Puritanism, Northeastern Puritanism.

802
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: Is the left, Yeah, I think pretty clearly.

803
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: And so you had these incompatible really religious ideas and

804
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: anthropological ideas, and that that was going to come to

805
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: a head. Probably it ended up coming to a head

806
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: in this moment where just as slavery was waning, it

807
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: became economically viable again, got it got a second life,

808
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: and because America was expanding west, Yeah, it was gonna

809
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, you had a major battle for for power

810
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: in the country. And so maybe I'm under I'm undermining

811
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: my own answer, But maybe you just could not have

812
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: avoided it in a way that other countries that were

813
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: locked on their borders basically and were a little more

814
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: homogeneous in their ideology, maybe maybe they they had an

815
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: advantage that we did not.

816
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: So to paraphrase what you just said, you would change

817
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: the fact that maybe we didn't have to go.

818
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: To the Civil War, but we had to. Also you

819
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: know what you would want.

820
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, your answer, of course would be you you wish

821
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: we still had slavery. Obviously, No, that would be that

822
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: would be a big one. I mean, the but there's

823
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: so many others like the the the mass migration of

824
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: the nineteenth century.

825
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: If we had seen down the.

826
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: Pike with that would do uh, that would be we

827
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: should we probably think a little different.

828
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: You would have been labeled as mean. That would have

829
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: been very.

830
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: Mean of you to too mean, I know, and I

831
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: would every culture is the same, would be a little

832
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: less swarthy because my Sicilian ancestors would not have made

833
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: it here, which should be a tragedy for America.

834
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: But you know, the when I think of.

835
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: These historical what ifs, what ifs though I don't know,

836
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: they don't do a lot for me because of something

837
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: that we've lost a sense of, which is the providence

838
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: of history. So you think, let's go all the way

839
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: back to Constantine. Let's go back to the Battle of

840
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: the Milvian Bridge.

841
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: Okay, is this the one where he sees the sign

842
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: from God and decides effectively in his mind's going.

843
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 3: To be attributes the victory to Christianity and then the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exact.

844
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean then, truly it's one of the most significant

845
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: events in the world because of a battle, but it's not.

846
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: That's not the only one.

847
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: The Battle of Poitier, called the Battle of Tourist seven

848
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: thirty two, Charles Martel, the grandfather of Charlemagne, repels a

849
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: large Muslim arm one hundred and fifty miles outside of Paris.

850
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: Had he lost that battle, which by all rights he

851
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: could have, there would not be a Christian Europe. There

852
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: would not have been a High Middle Ages or a Renaissance.

853
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: It would be part of the caliphate. Fifteen to seventy

854
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: one Battle of Laponto, same thing. That battle was won

855
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: because Christians prayed the Rosary in Europe.

856
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: We were out numbered in the sea the wind. I mean,

857
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: it is unbelievable.

858
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: Battle of Vienna, largest cavalry charge in history, all these moments.

859
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: Where my take on it is we all like to

860
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: play this parlor game.

861
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: What event would you change in history?

862
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're all activists in modernity.

863
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think I don't think of myself as

864
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: an activist.

865
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually prefer to not want to change

866
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: the world at all. I want to understand the world.

867
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: I want to read meaning into history. Because for the

868
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: Christian you know, we're we claim to know history. We

869
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Speaker 3: claim to know how it begins, how it turns, the incarnation,

870
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Speaker 3: and how it ends.

871
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Speaker 2: We claim to know the ending history.

872
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: In this way, the progressives are kind of just like

873
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Speaker 3: a perverse version of us, which liberalism is kind of

874
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: just a perversion of Christianity.

875
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Speaker 2: So we claim to know that. Yeah, but we're still here.

876
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Speaker 2: History is still unfolding. So what do we do.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a wonderful scholar, Giuseppe mats Auto who makes

878
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: the point in a book about Dante, says, the task

879
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: incumbent on the Christian wayfarer is in this time of

880
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Speaker 3: history where we're waiting for the end, to scrutinize the

881
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: signs of the times, to make sense of the signs

882
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: that God imprints on the world.

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Speaker 2: That's my view of it.

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Speaker 3: So rather than say, what would happen if we hadn't

885
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: passed the nineteenth or whatever, it's like everything would be better. No,

886
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: rather than just think about that, you'd say, Okay, what

887
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: does it mean?

888
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: What does it mean that we did that?

889
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: Then, in a weird way, I feel vindicated in an idea.

890
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Never Mind, I was gonna say, there's no more pretentious

891
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: thing to say an idea for a book, but the

892
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: good guys always win, and kind of and kind of outline, Hey,

893
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: there's a reason that the Athenians won the Battle of Marathon,

894
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: and to all that forward because this is.

895
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Speaker 3: Was better that was Actually that's a Norm MacDonald joke

896
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Speaker 3: where really he goes, he goes, yeah, I'm writing this

897
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: history book right here, and you know what, turns out

898
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: that the good guys won every single war that's ever

899
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: been fought, because the victors write ditory, but I actually

900
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: am writing a book on a similar topic.

901
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: Though you can keep that title.

902
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: That's it.

903
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: That's not my title. But I like, regardless of all

904
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: your books gonna be about and you stole it from me.

905
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, cameras are the litigation, this is it,

906
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: but but I am.

907
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: I am writing a book on providence and history.

908
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: But because I think that point is very well said,

909
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: you know, actually you're.

910
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Taking it to an.

911
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: Even further logical conclusion, which is the good guys always win,

912
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: at least in the sense of God's passive will.

913
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: So it doesn't mean that we don't do anything.

914
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: We have to act, we have to participate, you know,

915
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: but we really our participation is cooperating with God's will.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're after.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna refrain myself from making a Calvinist joke, but

918
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Speaker 1: this was This was great. We didn't do any of

919
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: the gimmicky things. Can we do one gimmicky thing? Because

920
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: I thought this would be fun. I am a voracious

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00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: reader of the New York Times, which is one of

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Speaker 1: one in the conservative movie.

923
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: Are you into sado Masochism?

924
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it to punish myself for my sins.

925
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: But I thought this was these these My favorite parts

926
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Speaker 1: of the New York Times is the ethicist piece right

927
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Speaker 1: to the ethicist, and then the ethicist gives you their

928
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: opinion the least ethical advice. Well, I would like to

929
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: read an ethical question to you, get your answer, and

930
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Speaker 1: then judge it against the ethicist in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times