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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's welcome in Yogi Roth from the Big ten

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Speaker 4: Network of course analysts and the host of the y

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Speaker 4: Option podcast and Yogi Happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: Say hello to Kerry Rhoads here on the Herd. What's happening?

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Speaker 5: A lot's happening. Happy to hear to YouTube as well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on, big fan of all the

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Speaker 5: work that y'all do. And it is a is a

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Speaker 5: beautiful morning. I'll be at a little rainy. We just

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Speaker 5: finished our pregame show as you refersent the Big ten

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Speaker 5: Network out here at the Roseolt and just kind of

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Speaker 5: getting going here with the organ game. So it's gonna

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Speaker 5: be a fun New Year's Day.

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Speaker 3: How many why options can you still run?

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Speaker 6: Right now?

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Speaker 3: You still can run a couple of those, you know.

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Speaker 5: I can get past the sticks and I'll get down

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Speaker 5: that's all I got.

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Speaker 3: But I'm in all right, yogi.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to last night's game, and you know, Miami dominated.

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Speaker 4: Should have been probably leading by three scores in the

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Speaker 3: They're up by two. They dominated that game.

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Speaker 4: And here's Ohio State hadn't played in twenty five days,

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Speaker 4: the number one seed. All that out the window, and

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Speaker 4: we look at it and now teams with the buys

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Speaker 4: are now zero to five in this new format. Is

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Speaker 4: this a problem in college football or not?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a cool question. I still don't think we

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Speaker 5: have all the data. I mean, talk to me at

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Speaker 5: the end of the night. You know, maybe it's a

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Speaker 5: different answer. I think that we do have in college football.

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Speaker 5: Number one. I think we got to give Miami a

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Speaker 5: ton of credit, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: No doubt, they dominated, They earned that win. I'm not

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Speaker 4: even trying to pooh pooh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know that, and you've always been that way.

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Speaker 5: I think what stood out to me in that game

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Speaker 5: for Ohio State earth was their last two games, they've

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Speaker 5: had moments. Their margin for error has just the surprising part,

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Speaker 5: it has been so small. Right Indiana, they had two

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Speaker 5: or three runs that almost broke They would have won

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Speaker 5: the second half. But I'm with you, that was surprising

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 5: To your point on the layoff, we just got done

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Speaker 5: talking about Indiana's now twenty six days. Texas Tech they're

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Speaker 5: down early twenty six days, and I think it speaks

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Speaker 5: more to the calendar of we should be playing that's

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Speaker 5: the title game right now. Like you know, I started

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Speaker 5: You know, they're not off for three almost a month,

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Speaker 5: So I think that they're going to look at this.

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Speaker 5: I think the calendar is getting just too much momentum

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Speaker 5: from coaches. I mean, look at the game you're watching

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Speaker 5: now in Oregon. Tash Lupoy, will Stein just get their

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Speaker 5: Ohio State, you could put your focus there, but you

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Speaker 5: to happen if we play this thing out of my

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Speaker 5: entertaining anymore outside of the games, and the NFL is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yo, Yeah, that's a great point. I mean we

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Speaker 5: I think it all contributes to it. I think Brian

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Speaker 5: fair thing to bring up when you add in the

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean them in.

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Speaker 5: Indiana in Oregon. I mean you kind of talk a

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Speaker 5: I mean that is their strength defensively. And two weeks

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Speaker 4: How about Miami where are they now? Can they really

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Speaker 3: Was this a one off?

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, My favorite graphic thus far in

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Speaker 5: the CFP that we saw on TV last night was

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Speaker 5: since that game in two thousand and two, two thousand

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Speaker 5: I think Miami's only had four to ten win seasons

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Speaker 5: I wrote it down somewhere that's clearly not in front

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Speaker 5: of me now, I apologize, but it was crazy to

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Speaker 5: think there is something that's cliche but accurating college football

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Speaker 5: when the U is back, when the Trojans are rolling like,

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Speaker 5: and Texas Tech have this crazy elevation that they've never

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Speaker 5: seen in their historic programs, respectively. But overall, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: we all remember. I have no idea what Miami was

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Speaker 3: The day, wild guys, wild Yogi.

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Speaker 5: Either I remember playing against Roll and Sean Taylor and

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Willmo like that what Ken Dor say? We played

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Speaker 5: those Jeremy Shockey It was awesome that back in the

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Speaker 5: can you imagine Oregon Miami, Like, how much song would

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Speaker 5: that be with Mario Christoball and Dan Lanning just for

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Speaker 5: the drama college football in the national title game?

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Speaker 3: It would be.

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Speaker 4: Our guest is Yogi Roth from the Big Ten Network,

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Speaker 4: of course, an analyst and host of the y Option podcast,

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Speaker 4: joining us here on the Herd. Rob Parker Kerry Rhoades

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Speaker 4: in for Colin on this New Year's Day.

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Speaker 7: Yogi with me, you cover the Big ten a lot,

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Speaker 7: and obviously when we look at the Big Ten in football,

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Speaker 7: I mean we think about Ohio State, Michigan. Obviously, Indiana's

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Speaker 7: kind of jumped in in that party in that mix up,

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Speaker 7: I'm runing against Indiana.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that coming up. They're not the

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, but any other jointed the party with those two.

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Speaker 7: But we always talked about the Big ten and the

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Speaker 7: I think we put too much credence in that, and

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Speaker 7: I think individually some of these teams deserve a little

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Speaker 5: Head and shoulders, I think is aggressive. And from the

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Speaker 3: Kind of fighting for a little exactly.

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Speaker 5: Try to talk about the strength. And when I look

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Speaker 5: here's the truth that I've learned in the last two

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Speaker 5: it's been the best in the history of the Big Ten.

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Speaker 5: And I'll finish with this. What is surprising most in

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Speaker 4: All right, And Yogi, I would be remiss when I'll

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Speaker 3: Well, thank your parents for me, yes, thank you. Well,

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Speaker 3: But Yogi roth Man, we appreciate you. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 5: Happy New Year, enjoy and keep Kellen's enjoy watching you guys.

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Speaker 9: Hi, guys, Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Carmen, what's shaking?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a good New Year's Eve? Anything special?

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the NFL, And so Lamar Jackson is

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Speaker 4: They heard I just and I just got admitted. All

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Speaker 3: People can't get crowned too.

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Speaker 7: There's a so right now, somebody has to win the

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Speaker 6: I don't know about this year, to be quite honest.

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Speaker 3: That's not oh, the narrative on him. No, it's not

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Speaker 4: This is a fact, Like in these big games he

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Speaker 4: a playoff game if you're Seattle and for people to

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Speaker 4: get off of the Sam Donald can't win a big

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Speaker 4: game talk.

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Speaker 6: I think there's something to be said for the legitimization

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Speaker 6: of Sam Donald by winning a playoff game. I really do,

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Speaker 6: just because if you look at, you know, other good

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks when they have bad games, nobody's saying, you know,

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Speaker 6: they're they're they're they're a terrible quarterback. I mean, Matthew

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Speaker 6: Stafford turned in a sinker last week and people are

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Speaker 6: just like, well, he's still in the MVP conversation, still

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Speaker 6: deserving it.

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Speaker 4: That'll be, that'll be seen. I mean, we got to

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Speaker 4: wait and see because you got to watch the mouth.

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Speaker 4: You can't talk about Matthew.

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Speaker 6: I'm so Matthew Stabbord. I'm just saying, Matthew Stafford has

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Speaker 6: put together a body of work that lets you, you know,

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Speaker 6: he gets you get the benefit of the doubt with that.

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Speaker 6: With Matthew Staffert, Sam Donald doesn't have that luxury because

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Speaker 6: he doesn't have that body of work yet. And so

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Speaker 6: I think going going into the playoffs with as strong

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Speaker 6: of a team as Seattle has, with as strong of

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Speaker 6: a defense as Seattle has, and winning a playoff game

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Speaker 6: can go a long way into giving Sam Donald the

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Speaker 6: benefit of the doubt and saying, no, he is a

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Speaker 6: good quarterback. Sure can he turn in you know, some

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Speaker 6: some stinkers every now and again. Of course every quarterback can.

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Speaker 6: But do we actually think that Sam Donald is a

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Speaker 6: good quarterback? And postseason sixcess is the quickest route to that?

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Speaker 7: All right, Carmen, I'm gonna put you on the spot

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Speaker 7: a little bit here, and I'm gonna tall, I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: I'm going to ask you to pick your represent representatives

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Speaker 7: of the NFC and AFC in the championship in the

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Speaker 7: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Do you who do you have?

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Speaker 6: Listen, I had this pick going into the season. This

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Speaker 6: this Super Bowl matchup is still on the table, so

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Speaker 6: I don't feel as confident about it. But I'm not

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Speaker 6: one to back down from something that's still possible. I had.

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Speaker 3: I had build Packers, Bill's Packers.

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Speaker 4: About that, I'm not saying that I don't you should

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Speaker 4: change your pick, right, I'm just saying, right.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel good about it, however, because it's still possible,

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Speaker 6: like I mean, and especially if it actually happens, then,

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Speaker 6: I mean, bragging rights would be infinite at that point.

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Speaker 6: I would never shut up about it.

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Speaker 4: So no, you always got to stick to your pick.

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Speaker 4: Because I had the Packers and the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: That was my original pick. But he's picking Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: The I'm picking Pittsburgh because of what the Ravens have

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Speaker 4: done all year.

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Speaker 6: You think you think pitt is going to get out

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Speaker 6: of the AFC.

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Speaker 4: No, But I'm no, No, I mean, I'm picking Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: to beat Baltimore, so that you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: eliminates my pick, right, and like like normally you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: do that, but I just I really don't feel like

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Speaker 4: Baltimore has been able to put it together. And then

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Speaker 4: you're telling me Lamar is not going to be totally healthy.

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Speaker 4: You know, if he's a healthy Lamar, then then yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm all in. I just don't know what I'm what

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get. What was your original pick? I'm Ravens

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Speaker 4: and Rams?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, and you still feel good about the Rams

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Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, Yes, they stink. They waiting

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Speaker 3: for they had the number one. Carmen had the number one,

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Speaker 3: see locked up ten days ago, and look at.

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Speaker 2: Where they are now.

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Speaker 6: If you want to someone else, y'all didn't even bring

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Speaker 6: up the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, we did not. But he's but Carmen, he's

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Speaker 7: he's a big believer in Caleb Williams. So am I,

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Speaker 7: But he's I.

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Speaker 4: Was on the Caleb Williams believing when everybody I was

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Speaker 4: talking about all he's going to be benched to half

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Speaker 4: the midway in the season and Ben Johnson doesn't like

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Speaker 4: him and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 3: He's put together an unbelievable season.

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Speaker 6: I mean, from what we've heard at the podium these

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Speaker 6: last couple of weeks, actually like it really seems like

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Speaker 6: something is clicked for Caleb where he's in command of

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Speaker 6: this offense, not just along for the ride anymore. And

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Speaker 6: everything we've heard from Caleb too is that they didn't

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Speaker 6: really like each other in the beginning, and that's consistent

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Speaker 6: with how Ben Johnson and Jared Goff's relationship developed as well.

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Speaker 11: Ben is the exact.

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Speaker 6: Same person every single day, from the first day you

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Speaker 6: meet him to you know, day one hundred into your relationship,

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Speaker 6: and that can rub people that's the wrong way sometimes

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Speaker 6: because he comes in very intensely and you know, he

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Speaker 6: has really high expectations and it takes a while to

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Speaker 6: kind of trust that. And Caleb kind of admitted to

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Speaker 6: that the last week, I believe when he was talking

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Speaker 6: about it, and so their relationship wasn't there, but it

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Speaker 6: is now and now that that relationship has gotten so

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Speaker 6: much better, and you can tell that Caleb is starting

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Speaker 6: to kind of see the field the way Ben wants

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Speaker 6: him to and the way Ben himself does. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is a really good It looks like it's going

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Speaker 6: to end up being a really good pairing. Now, if

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Speaker 6: only the Bears can figure out their path rush and

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Speaker 6: their run defense, then then we can start talking about

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Speaker 6: real postseasons Chicago Paper.

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Speaker 4: All right, hey, Carmen, we appreciate you joining us here

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Speaker 4: on the Herd. Carmen Vitality of course. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 4: Weekend host, thank you so much. Happy New Year, Carmen, Happy.

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Speaker 6: New Year, Happy New Year, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and newon Eastern AM Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio FS

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Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest games, of course is Sunday Night football,

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Speaker 4: right the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: That's in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: Correct, That game is in Pittsburgh against the Steelers, and

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Speaker 4: the winner wins the division and gets the playoff and a.

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Speaker 3: Home game and gets a host of game, I mean

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Speaker 3: host a game.

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Speaker 4: So somebody's coming to Pittsburgh or Baltimore, yes, for that

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Speaker 4: game and Rob g lay it out here because there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff talking.

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Speaker 10: There's some consternation in Baltimore. That word, that's a big word.

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Speaker 10: That is learned that from Southern Connecticut Tech State University whatever,

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Speaker 10: home of the fighting Rob Parkers in the best.

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Speaker 4: Box, Southern Connecticut State University.

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Speaker 3: In New Haven. That's right, Okay, so big game.

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Speaker 10: Of course, now the Ravens have had must win games

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Speaker 10: each of the last two weeks. That had win last

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Speaker 10: week to set up this week. Lamar hurts his back

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Speaker 10: in week sixteen, Snoop Huntley starts in Green Bay, must

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Speaker 10: win god to have a game, plays great sixteen of

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Speaker 10: twenty two oh seven and a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: He ran for a others sixty yards.

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Speaker 10: The big story, of course, Derrick Henry back runs thirty

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Speaker 10: six carries shout out nineteen nineties football rights.

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Speaker 3: Then thirty six.

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Speaker 4: Carries in the week before that. Would they didn't even

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Speaker 4: give him the ball in the second half.

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Speaker 10: They didn't give the ball the last drive yet, right,

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Speaker 10: and then he didn't touch the ball after they got

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Speaker 10: up by I think eleven points. Yep, thirty six carries

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Speaker 10: to sixteen four touchdowns. So flash forward to this week.

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Speaker 10: Lamar Jackson gets his first Wednesday practice in about two months,

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Speaker 10: comes back from his back injury. We don't know exactly

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Speaker 10: how much he did.

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Speaker 3: They haven't said that. Yeah, we do know.

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Speaker 10: He's wearing a big flat jacket to prevent protect his

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Speaker 10: back in his midsection.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a fashion statement. Okay.

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Speaker 10: So and even as of today Thursday at two pm Eastern.

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Speaker 10: John Harbass still has not said who is gonna start

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Speaker 10: on Sunday, Lamar Jackson or Snoop Huntley. But if you

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Speaker 10: ask mutual friend of ours, friend of the show, Shinning Sharp,

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Speaker 10: he has an answer what he thinks should happen.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen. I'm starting Huntley.

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Speaker 2: What what you're playing?

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Speaker 3: Maddenpe each about real life?

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Speaker 11: Yep?

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Speaker 6: Man, please trick.

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Speaker 2: Just run the same form me.

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Speaker 3: There's no need to start.

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Speaker 11: Huntley because I know he's back there, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 11: ask him to do more. Is Lamar gonna be able

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Speaker 11: to get out of arms weight like Huntley did last

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Speaker 11: night when Green Bay? Has he looked like Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 11: since he's gotten back.

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Speaker 3: No, not one not because he's coming off injury. So

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Speaker 3: therefore start Huntly.

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Speaker 11: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, all right and there you go. My

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Speaker 4: thing is is cutting dry? Is that another turnover?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: By Texas text stripsack, unbelievable? Where were they? Oregan is

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Speaker 9: gonna have the ball in the red zone?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 3: At the five, I think, yeah, it's gonna be ballgame here.

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Speaker 3: Probably yeah, let's go a touchdown here? Ball game?

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Speaker 4: But but here here I am if Lamar's hurt. Carry,

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Speaker 4: I don't want him to play if he's not. If

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Speaker 4: he's hurt, Yeah, what does hurt mean to you? I

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Speaker 4: mean he can't perform like like he's out there like

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Speaker 4: you're trying to like, is a touchdown?

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Speaker 3: Is a touchdown? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It looks like touchdown. Okay, so it's finally they broke through.

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Speaker 4: And what I mean is he really shouldn't be out

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Speaker 4: there playing. And I'll give you an example, Kevin Kevin

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Speaker 4: uh Durant in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, we all knew he shouldn't have been out there.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? I agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think like they claimed all all the doctors

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Speaker 4: cleared him and all that. I'm like, well, who are

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Speaker 4: the doctors take their degrees? Because everybody was like, what

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Speaker 4: is he doing out there? And of course it happens

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Speaker 4: he wound up getting hurt. If he's seventy percent sixty

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Speaker 4: five seventy percent, I'm going to play him over hunt

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Speaker 4: I am. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm going to play him

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Speaker 4: and I'll try to protect him. Try to make sure,

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Speaker 4: you know, get the running game in there as much

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Speaker 4: as we can establish it, and then you know, what

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Speaker 4: I mean where I'm not asking him to be Superman,

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Speaker 4: but I want my two time MVP quarterback to play

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Speaker 4: him at seventy percent, is still better than Huntley?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, and.

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Speaker 7: Specifically going into this game where if Baltimore doesn't know

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Speaker 7: the blueprint for them to win right now, this isn't

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Speaker 7: last year. This isn't the year before where they were

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Speaker 7: an unstoppable, unstoppable offense and they had an unstoppable player

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Speaker 7: in Lamar Jackson where he could do things that other

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Speaker 7: guys can do. He had a ridiculous, unreal last year.

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Speaker 7: This isn't that year. So you played last week and

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Speaker 7: the must I gotta have a game. You ran Derrick

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Speaker 7: Henry thirty six thirty seven times and you won the game.

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Speaker 7: You're telling me a seventy percent Lamar Jackson can turn

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Speaker 7: around and hand the ball off and and steal more

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Speaker 7: fear and give more fear to the defense with him

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Speaker 7: being back there, even if he's not like this stuff

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Speaker 7: coming out about playing Tyler Huntley over Lamar Jackson, even

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Speaker 7: if he's seventy percent doesn't make any sense coming from

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Speaker 7: players coming from Shannon sharp Man, Please be quiet, I

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Speaker 7: agree that's making any sense I can't get over because

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Speaker 7: if you don't win that game, you can't live with yourself, Rob,

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Speaker 7: if you don't. If they don't win this game, wholesale

658
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Speaker 7: changes are coming, and I think they're coming anyway.

659
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Speaker 4: But the Ravens that we know or have known the

660
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: last few years winning seventy seventy three percent of Lamar's game,

661
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: this is gonna all change. Yes, okay, this is this

662
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Speaker 4: is so I want to go down with my two

663
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: time MVP quarterback now, like again, if he he really

664
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Speaker 4: can't play and it's oh, of course injured, I'm not

665
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: putting the guy out if I really know. But he's

666
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: at practice, Like if he didn't practice all week and

667
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Speaker 4: you're trying to play him on Sunday's anah, yes you

668
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: know this. Yes, you're not practicing all week. You can't

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Speaker 4: play on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You gotta practice, you gotta practice. So he

671
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Speaker 3: practiced on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: Rob jeven said it, first time in a couple of

673
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: months he's had a Wednesday practice.

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Speaker 9: I gotta feel like he's going to play. He's gonna play, right.

675
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Speaker 9: The fact that Hardball hasn't said it yet, that's just

676
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Speaker 9: and if that's for them, and if.

677
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Speaker 4: They lose, it's okay. It's okay from the standpoint. You

678
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: put your best people in and it wasn't your night,

679
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: and you you lose. And now maybe this was the

680
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Speaker 4: ending of what we had here.

681
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Speaker 3: We failed.

682
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Speaker 4: We didn't get to the super Bowl. We didn't you know,

683
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: it didn't even give our chance. So it's a chance.

684
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: I told you I picked him the last three years.

685
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 4: I know you've been picking them because on paper, on paper,

686
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: they should win. When I remember Week one and they

687
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: go to Buffalo and put up forty points and lose

688
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: that game, do you remember, like of course, I remember

689
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: looking at the score going, oh my god, like you know,

690
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: like this this is the second year of Derrick, Henry

691
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: and Lamar together and they went up to Buffalo and

692
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: the opener and put up a forty piece and loss.

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Speaker 3: And then wind up losing that game. Yeah, no, this team,

694
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: we know it.

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00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 7: We both watched them very very intently, and we know

696
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 7: the makings and the inner workings of that team and

697
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 7: the organization those players, And this would be this would

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Speaker 7: be an abysmal loss and abysmal season if they don't

699
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 7: win this game, Robin make the playoffs. And so this

700
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Speaker 7: I'm going out with my with my top guns too.

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00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 7: If there's no way, if he's seventy percent, I'm not

702
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 7: playing them.

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00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: If they don't win the game, regardless to who's the quarterback,

704
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: John Harbard has to be fired.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's time. And and he won a

707
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. They've won a lot of games, but every

708
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: year has been disappointing. And Mike Tomlin too. Mike Tomlin

709
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: is another guy who enough with the finishing above five

710
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: hundred records whatever.

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00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: They haven't won a playoff game since twenty eighteen. Dude,

712
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: that's a long time.

713
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: You can't keep living off of the one Super Bowl,

714
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: which I'm not taking away from him or whatever. And

715
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean you can't go somewhere else and and

716
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: be a new voice. And when Tony Dungee got fired

717
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: in Tampa Bay and won in Indianapolis, and it doesn't

718
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: make you a bad coach, No, it doesn't. It just

719
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: means that the time here, everything has an expiration date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah.

721
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: I was drinking the milk and then I realized it

722
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 4: was a little lumpy, and then I looked on the

723
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Speaker 4: date and I realized it had expired.

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Speaker 3: If you if it took you that long.

725
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 7: To realize, then that's the real problem.

726
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't have I couldn't imagine drinking lumpy milk. I

727
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: like Sarah.

728
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 7: Am I right, no, And that's the thing, Rob, you

729
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 7: just need a breath of fresh as a new voice,

730
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 7: a new voice, and they're tired of hearing the same message.

731
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Speaker 3: And how many times can you change it with you

732
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: still being authentic to who you are? Right? Yeah, And

733
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: that's where it is.

734
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Speaker 4: And John Harborne said they've had way too many disappointments

735
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: for you to feel good about it.

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Speaker 3: Every way you can be disappointed, Rob,