WEBVTT - This Is How They are Coming For You | Robert Barnes 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.080 Attacking free speech, your freedoms, and your rights. Now, I'm 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.480 sure you see it. I'm sure you feel it. You 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.000 see it happening all over. We are going to jump 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:14.560 into a conversation with a constitutional attorney, a high profile 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.360 constitutional attorney who has worked on some of the biggest 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.520 cases in the United States, and we're going to talk 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.160 about the three ways that your freedom of speech or 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.200 constitutional rights are being chipped away. You may don't maybe 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.960 won't recognize it at first, but once you understand this, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.960 you're gonna see it. We're gonna talk about ways that 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.720 the do o J and the FBI are being weaponized 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.720 against you, how the judicial system has been compromised and 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.920 they're using this to rewrite the laws right now, right 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.720 before your very eyes, going around constitutional rights. We're gonna 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.800 talk about what's happening with high public of figures when 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:56.080 it comes to censorship, doing things you couldn't even imagine, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.320 things that I couldn't imagine. We're gonna talk about the 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.880 reasons why they're doing this. But it's not all doom 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.760 and gloom. We're gonna talk about how this has happened 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.520 before in the United States. As a matter of fact, 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.160 a couple of times before, how we've overcome and how 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.759 we've overturned these things, and even though it's looking dark, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.399 there's massive hope on the horizon. We're gonna talk about 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.560 how we can continue to build that and how we 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.880 continue to push that. So this is a conversation you 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.240 do not want to miss, super important, and I hope 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.120 you share it with as many people as possibles. AEAD 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.000 jump right into the conversation with Robert Barnes. Robert, thanks 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.360 for joining me today. Uh, I'm happy to have you back. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.080 I've been following along with all this stuff you've been 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.920 talking about. I am I'm shocked. I'm alarmed of what's 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.360 going on. There's attacks happening all over the place, and 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:44.520 so I've been wanting to talk to you for a 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.080 couple of weeks. I'm glad we finally got a chance 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.720 to do this. Absolutely so um Man, there's so many 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.680 things that, so many things to dive into, so many 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.200 topics to jump into. UM let's start with the one, um, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.920 a big one, and then we can dive down. So 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.320 um I've been talking about been seen. It looks like 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:07.080 we have a tax on free speech from like almost 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.960 every angle I've been saying that I believe we're in 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.400 a war. Um. It's just a war of information and 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.680 money and so um on the information front. Um, if 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.119 the powers that be are losing their grip on the narrative, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.760 then they have to up their game to win the 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.280 war on information, and so they need to find ways 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.320 to censor people, silence people, et cetera. So I've been 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.040 seeing this as this attack on free speech from multiple angles. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.240 So a couple of ones that I've seen are the 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.400 Alex Jones trial. Right. Um, they're trying to use something 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.240 that has this unanimous consensus that everybody thinks is bad 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.960 and use that to chip away. We have the Trump 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.600 January six um thing going on, and then we had 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.480 this Tornado cash which was like a public utility or protocol. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.600 But I think they all look like a tax on 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.360 free speech to me. What's your take on that? No doubt. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.320 And in fact, the case that a lot of people 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.600 have not paid enough attention to is the Alex Jones trials. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.320 So in those cases, they're using it as a test 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.840 case to whether you can basically run show trials in America, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.840 complete show trials. So they have gutted him of all 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.240 of his procedural rights. Not allowed to bring motions to 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.960 dismiss not allowed to bring motions for summary judgment, not 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.560 allowed to challenge the legal sufficiency of the case against him, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.720 not allowed even to testify on his own behalf as 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.560 to his innocence. He the only in fact that the 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.680 trial that's guilty until proven guiltier where he is not 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.920 allowed to defend himself, where evidence against him is introduced, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.240 but he is not allowed to impeach or cross examine 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.120 that evidence in a meaningful way. Now. In fact, for example, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.520 in the Connecticut trial going on right now, the judges said, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.800 there's one name that cannot even be talked about in 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.160 the entire trial, and that's Hillary Clinton. That's how insane 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.320 the cases, even though Hillary Clinton has a lot to 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.280 do with how that trial came about. So uh and 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.480 and the reason for that is their secondary objective. Uh, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.800 they're stripping of all of his proceed Drill writes his 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.080 day in court. He hasn't given any day in court, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.800 his right to trial by jerry on the merits. He's 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.640 being denied his right to trial by jury on the merits. Uh. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.120 They claim that he didn't participate in discovery but anybody 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.400 watching the trial realizes he must have because they have 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.240 more discovery the other side than anybody's ever had to 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.360 give in any case. It's it's about ultimately using him 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.279 as an example to take away other people's speech because 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.480 the legal president they're establishing. Because the other unique factor 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.799 here is Joe is being sued and for like unfair 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.680 competition and trade laws and consumer protection laws, but the 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.320 people suing him are not consumers. There are people who 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.120 disagree with what he said about topics over the years, 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.760 um and in instead it's basically a defamation case. Yet 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.800 they're being allowed to sue under these theories that no 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.040 one's ever heard of being applied in this context before. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.039 But the it's not only that, the constitutional requirement is 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.479 that you can't be sued for defamation unless you say 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.800 a specifically factual statement that's false that you know to 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.600 be false about someone specific. So that's how we protect 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.960 robust free speech. We uh, there's no such thing as 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.600 a wrong idea in America. Yet they're trying to gut 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.280 all of that because in the Jones case, he never 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.799 talked about the people that are suing him, never mentioned 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.400 him by name, never referenced him. So forth the people 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.640 that are suing him, there's only one or two people 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.839 that even got referenced directly or indirectly. Almost all the 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.640 people are suing him, including FBI agent. You have an 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.760 FBI agent suing him who didn't identify anything Alex Jones 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.560 every even said about him. He's an FBI lawyer, So 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.440 how is this FBI lawyer being allowed to sue? The 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.960 new theory is if you say something that upset somebody, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.920 and you know it might upset somebody, they can sue you, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.680 and if it's controversial enough, they can sue you into 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.040 bankruptcy and oblivion, as the plaintiffs lawyers have said, is 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.000 their exact plan here in the Connecticut case, they said 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.800 it out loud in the courtroom the place lawyer said, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.200 justice is preventing Alex Jones from ever having a microphone, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.520 ever having access to the media, ever being able to 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.400 have his opinion heard by you, the people, ever again. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.920 And that's why the Jones case is so dangerous. They're 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.159 trying to establish the precedent that they can use lawfare 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.800 in the legal system to completely financially obliterate any dissident 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.320 opinion and it's a precarious precedent, and because it's Alex Jones, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.200 and because the topic is Sandy Hook, most people are 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.320 too scared to look into it, to talk about it, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.400 to challenge the media narrative, to contest what's happening, to 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.600 expose what's happening. Too many people on the right who 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.080 have disagreements with Alex Jones are letting those disagreements with 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.440 Alex Jones blind the fact that just like he was 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.240 the Canarian the coal mine on big tech, when they 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.400 took out Alex Jones, they used it as the precedent 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.880 ultimately take out the President of the United States, they're 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.480 now using him in the law fair arena to say 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.280 we if we don't like your speech, we can now 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.240 use the state court civil justice system to bankrupt you 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.640 because we don't like your speech, and we can do 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.520 it without every giving you your day in court, without 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.360 every giving you trial by jury on the merits, without 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.960 ever giving you basic core rights that every American is 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.640 supposed to have. Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.640 so um little known fact people will find out here. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.000 But about two weeks ago I went and sat down 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.720 with Alex Jones, and I even hosted the info War 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.960 Show for a segment and then we went into a 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.320 long interview. Um, so I'm having that come out, but 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.720 I'm afraid to put that on YouTube. So it's probably 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.640 gonna be on my Rumble, It'll be on the Odyssey, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.400 It'll be on my podcast. It won't be on my YouTube, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.440 just because I'm afraid of the backlash that will have. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.200 But I was surprised at just the backlash I already 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.200 got people saw me on info Wars, even from my 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.000 own daughter, who's like, he's such a bad man, and 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.400 he said these bad things. And I told my daughter, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.240 I'm like, look, okay, so he said bad things. It 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.360 made people feel bad, Like that's wrong and I don't 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.400 approve that, and he shouldn't have said that. Okay whatever, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.040 but like it's not illegal, it's not illegal. It shouldn't be. Um, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.760 you know, in his in his defense to what he said, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.760 he's like, you know, he goes live whatever four hours 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.560 a day, so that's whatever, twenty hours a week, uh whatever, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.360 almost a hundred hours a month he's live. He said. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.800 The total amount of time he talked about that topic 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.360 was twenty four minutes, I think, is what he said. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.160 And he said the same thing as you. He never 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.480 mentioned anybody's name, he never directly said anything whatever. Um. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.679 And some of the comments I got from other people 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.079 were like, well, he used this to his advantage. He's 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.880 trying to gain from this. I'm like, he talked about 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.920 it twenty four minutes. The media has talked about hundreds 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.679 of hours. Who's using what to gain? But digging back 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.240 into some of the things that you said, because it's 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.839 way worse than I had even imagined. Um, it's a 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.880 way worse. Its not even imagined. So they're denying him 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.000 all these things to the point that you're making um. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.840 And I didn't write them all down, But um, how 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.200 are they able to do that? I mean, is it 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.720 because they have a judge that's just going along with 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.640 it and they're doing that? I mean, will he be 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.640 able to appeal this? I mean, I I understand laws 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.559 are being changed and it's becoming more and more unfair, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.400 But for the ones that are still there, I mean, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.839 doesn't isn't there some sort of recourse there? There should? 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.200 The problem is it's the failure of the judicial branch, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.120 and the judicial branch is not stepping up to meet 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.560 and protect Alex Jones's rights because he's Alex Jones. So 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.199 the other dynamic is that there's sort of an underlying 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.679 class conflict in all of this because most of Jones's 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.280 supporters are working people. So they may be business people, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.120 they may be successful people, but they are not the 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.320 professional class, the clerical class, the managerial class. They don't 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.520 have a bunch of little letters after their name like 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.160 we're reinstating old English royalty these days with j D 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.840 or m D or pH D and all that jazz. Uh. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.680 But the the the group that doesn't like Jones is 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.640 from that professional, managerial class. So Jones has an underrepresented 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.559 as part of his audience. And for people who don't know, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.000 I mean, this is a man who, according to government, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.960 its own polls, media's own polls, over thirty million Americans 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.320 are are huge fans. That's as many people who vote 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.080 in the Republican presidential primaries to give people an idea. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.360 So that's the scale of his influence, his influences. He 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.440 has been the biggest critic of the deep State of 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.560 anybody in recent American history. He's one of the most 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.800 important populist voices out there, and that's why he's being targeted, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.800 that's why. And there's this mythology, like most people who 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.400 bash Alex Jones remind me the people who bashed Rush 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.600 Limbaugh and I'd be, I'd be. They would describe a caricature, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.040 they would describe someone that's not the person. I'm like, Okay, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.280 you're bashing someone you've actually never watched, you've actually never 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.800 listened to, you've actually never read. If you're gonna bash them, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.640 at least you know, engage with them and then come 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.920 up with a determination. Um. But the it's this caricature 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.520 of him. But there's this underlying class conflict where the 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.439 professional class hates him. The status hate him. Uh, the 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.839 working class, the working person, the ordinary felt person, they 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.120 love him. But in the judicial branch, which is making 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.000 all the decisions here, it's it's by definition dominated by 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.960 the professional manager, a real class. So in their little group, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.800 in their little bubble, Alex Jones is almost universally despised, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.720 so they can just ignore the rules. The other scary 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.959 thing is, I mean, this is a trial. These trials 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.520 make Idiocracy's trial look like a beacon of justice. That's 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.000 how bad they are. Um in their parodies of parodies 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.800 and the problem is known none of the other judges, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.560 because that's the only people who can put a stop 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.200 to this higher courts. So it's all judges getting to 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.040 decide the ethical conduct of judges, which I've always had 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.400 a problem with. Uh, they're they're all in on it. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.520 I mean that they all want Jones hurt. So there 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.600 were For example, Jones was because he made criticisms of 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.480 a lawyer from his own TV network Early on in 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.480 the case, the judges said, if you become if you 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.880 are sued, you lose your free speech rights. As to 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.360 that case would never happen. That's directly contrary to U. S. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.840 Supreme Court law. But unless the U. S. Supreme Court 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.960 gets involved, and they almost never do, the other judges 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.240 get away with violating his rights. And if anybody thinks 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.240 they're not planning on using this as a press of it, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.280 that's the mistake. They're using Jones because they know he 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.360 has inadequate political protection amongst their colleagues in the professional 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.840 managerial class and the press and in the legal world. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.000 But then they're gonna take that precedent and apply it 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.080 to everyone else. It's what big Tech did. People may 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.240 not remember when they took down Alex Jones. They lied 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.480 about it. They said, oh, this is limited Alex Jones. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.600 We're not doing this because of his speech. We're limited. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.199 It's certain incidents that occurred. They could never find or 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.000 identify what those incidents were. Very similar. They had like 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.440 a fake trial of their own kind. And then of 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.439 course they said, well later on, well we took out 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.400 Alex Jones for wrong think, we can take out the 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.360 President United States for wrong things. So the they're gonna 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.440 do the same thing here and that there should be 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.800 remedies at the Court of Appeals. In reality, other than 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.439 the Texas Supreme Court and the U. S. Supreme Court 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.160 and those respective cases, those are the only courts that 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.439 might actually do justice. The problem is they don't have 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.680 to take the case. The judges that do have to 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.160 take the case are willing to violate the rules to 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.600 get at Alex Jones, and and doing so they want 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.600 to establish new rules so they can get it the 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.320 rest of us. So it's almost like these judges have 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.480 it out for him to the kind of past case 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.720 that you're making um and if he got another judge 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.079 that was more sympathetic or really want to uphold the 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.720 law regardless of who it's being examined against, maybe he 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.600 could catch a break, but that's not happening. But I 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.760 think what's even more dangerous as to the point you're making, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.520 is that even though they're ignoring the law, um, once 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.800 they rule this way, then it sets present. So they're 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 almost they're ignoring the law. But then if they rule 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.440 this way, they're actually changing the law. That's exactly right, okay, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.880 And it was what they're going at. They wanted to 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.280 show that they could do a modern day show trial 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.480 and get away with it. And they could do it 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.079 as to someone as well known as Alex stand well despised, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.520 exact and that, and because today he's well despised, tomorrow 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.120 they'll go to the person who's not as well as 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.360 who may who's just well despised by the wrong people. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.240 That they'll continue to escalate in the same way, big technic, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.959 and they'll say, hey, we did this in the Alex 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.920 Jones case, so we can do it to you. So 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.560 they try to find something that has general consensus in 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.760 the community that most people would agree that if this 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.760 guy said mean things about parents losing their kids, everybody 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.199 would agree that's probably not good. And so then they 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.040 take that. Everybody agrees that, well, let's let's prohibit that 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.480 from happening, and so um everyone Nope, nobody wants to 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.280 stand up for it. And they're just okay, seen it 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.160 happened to this bad guy, um, not realizing that their 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.360 next I guess that's exactly right there, that they're signing 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.600 their own death moran. So so there's there's one one 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.840 when when you're talking about it, and I want to 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.360 jump into this later, but just as you're talking about it, um, 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.880 this big takedown that just happened was this Andrew Tate. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.120 And I was watching part of this interview with Patrick 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.640 by David on Value Tayment, and he was just saying, how, um, look, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.040 I don't have viewers. I have fans. And the difference 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.640 is my fans will follow me to wherever I go. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.320 They don't just watch me because I'm there. So Alex Jones, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.440 he got wiped off the face of the earth, He's 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.320 still alive and well on his main channel, he still 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.760 has millions of people tuning in regularly. Those were fans, right, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.080 and so Andrew tay said, those are my fans, he said, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.760 and they don't want me standing up and saying these 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.200 things having fans, and he systematically broke down how all 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.440 these things are trying to accuse him of. We're all 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.400 taken out of context from little snippets or whatever. But anyway, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.280 I don't want to jump into that the next thing. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.360 So that's okay. So so Alex Jones, there's taking something 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.600 that's just general consensus and they're using it to chip 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.680 away at freedom of speech. Then we have this Tornado 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.160 Cash and I don't know how much you looked into that, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.400 but Tornado Cash is a protocol that allows people to 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:38.160 mix their cryptocurrencies to gain more privacy. Now they say that, well, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.960 criminals uses, terrorists uses and they could be laundering their 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.000 money and then they're gonna go blow up schools and 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.400 kill a little kids. And of course nobody wants that. Uh, 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.240 I don't I have little kids. I don't want my school, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.560 my kids school bombed, And so that has general consensus. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.360 We all agree that's bad. But then they try to 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.080 attack this, uh protocol, a public utility that's been as 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.480 I understand, three times the Supreme Court has upheld that 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.960 encryption as freedom of speech. So it seems to me 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.080 it's an attack on freedom of speech, oh no doubt. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.560 And and it's freedom of speech at multiple levels. So 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.320 they've often tried to use the monetary or regulatory angle 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.280 to circumus to limit speech. So that's what Citizens United 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.320 was all about. So, like you look at campaign finance reform, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.960 often campaign finance reform was about making a person get 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.400 the consent approval of an elite donor class. Right, if 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.120 if one person can be the sole donor of a campaign, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.800 then you can run for office if you don't have 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.960 your own money and you and un let's say you 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.280 don't have the means of crowdfunding back in the day, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.920 then uh, with just the support of one percent of 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.720 the economic elite. Right, but if you if everybody's limited 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.640 at what they can contribute, they can require you to 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.240 get the consent of twenty of the economic elite because 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.440 it's it becomes its own form of donor control of campaigns. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.960 And then one part of this was always how can 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.040 of this happened when money? When you cannot have speech 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.480 if you don't spend money on that speech, Right, I 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.320 got a mike here? If suddenly having a mic means 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.840 I don't get the right to speech because it cost 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.960 me money to have the mic, then all of a sudden, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:15.960 I lose my right to free speech. Without the freedom 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.600 of payments, there is no freedom, precisely. And so currency 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.359 is power, and the currency is the means by which 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.800 speech is expressed and the means by which speech has heard. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.359 Which is always important for people to remember that what 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.280 they're trying to do is prohibit our ability to hear 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.240 what we choose to hear. And that's part of free speech. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.600 It's not just the right to speak, it's the right 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.040 to hear what we want to hear. Freedom of thought, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.399 freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of belief, freedom 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.960 of religion, freedom of pressed. That's what they all come 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.479 back to, the right for me to hear what I 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.840 want to hear, not the government to gate keep it 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.399 for me. Uh. And so they were always going to 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.040 go after anybody in the crypto space that they thought 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.320 they could mean that's a lot of what the sec 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.640 actions are. They're trying to convert everything into a secure 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.800 transaction as if it's a publicly traded stock, when that's 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.080 a real reach in my view, they've they've always to 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.840 uh expanded the definition of security to reach things that 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.800 were not originally intended in the legislation. I mean, you 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.119 see it so many different places, the FDA trying to 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.480 regulate medicine, the U. S d A trying to regulate 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.840 little Amish family farmers. Uh. And so the same context 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.119 here is they want to be able to get in 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.800 and restrict your ability to express yourself and have meaningful 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.840 power to have your voice heard and to hear what 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.480 you want to hear by using the disguise that this 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:47.280 is about monetary control of a financial instrument. Yeah. So um. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.960 And it's also because of encryption. So I think it's 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.199 the encryption that's been upheld as free speech. It's like 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:53.800 it's code. They printed it out, they took it to 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.440 the Supreme Court and they said, yeah, that is code. Um. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.680 And then also the President that this sets too because 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.440 it's a public utility. So typically people are sanctioned or 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.160 nations are sanctioned. Maybe there's some due process there where 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.880 that person could defend themselves maybe, um, But we don't 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.040 have a public utility. So because a criminal drove on 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.280 a road, now we're gonna sanction the road. Because because 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.480 the criminal drove in a car, we're gonna sanction a car. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.399 Because the criminal used a protocol, then we're gonna sanction 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.120 a protocol. What kind of precedent does that set? All 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.159 of it kind of reflects a broader principle of what 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.240 they allow to have who they allowed to give privacy 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.159 and secrecy to. Right, It's it's always fails, Like I 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.160 always get a kick out of the government that says 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.560 any means of privacy or any means of secrecy will 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.400 be the key for criminals to do bad acts. Yet somehow, 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.399 when it comes to the government privacy and secrecy or 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.640 absolute must we they must have things classified, etcetera. But 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.760 I mean, isn't the same government that told us secrecy 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:57.200 equals criminality, privacy equals criminality. So the now we it's 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.679 a good transition. It goes into the Trump case. So 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.159 it's like, here you have Trump, but the government is 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.399 asserting that the deep state is asserting that administrative bureaucrats 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.720 you call it, the National Security apparatus, called whatever, the 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.280