WEBVTT - Elfshot, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>It was my fault for letting the cattle graze so

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<v Speaker 1>near the old wood, in the circular stones, where the

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<v Speaker 1>roots grow elf twisted and rain water filled elf cups,

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<v Speaker 1>in the rock where strange lights danced some nights, and

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<v Speaker 1>the moonlight shines brighter than elsewhere. I'd lost cows before,

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<v Speaker 1>but never like this. I found her bloated and dead

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<v Speaker 1>by the tree line. As I strolled up to the

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<v Speaker 1>poor heifer, I saw neither bite nor puncture on her hide.

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<v Speaker 1>I scanned the surrounding grass for signs of tracks or blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw neither. But that's when something caught my eye,

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<v Speaker 1>A small stone point like an arrow head, with neither

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<v Speaker 1>shaft nor fletchings, and carved by some art not practiced

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<v Speaker 1>by mortal men. I stooped to pick it up, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I felt a white hot pain in my

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<v Speaker 1>upper left side. I felt for blood underneath my shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>such was the pain, but found only unpierced flesh, even

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<v Speaker 1>as the agony of it brought me to my knees.

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<v Speaker 1>In the tall grass, a scan the tree line. They

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<v Speaker 1>were invisible to my eyes, but I felt them somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>The elves watching on from the shadows of the wood,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps snickering in their sublime odd tongue as the elf

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<v Speaker 1>bolt racked my body. But I clutched the stone in

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<v Speaker 1>my hand. I knew what I had to do. I

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<v Speaker 1>dragged myself back across the field, sweat pouring down my

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<v Speaker 1>face and my spleen swelling fit to burst with elf cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Even then, when I arrived back at the house, I

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<v Speaker 1>dropped the little of stone in a pan of water.

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<v Speaker 1>I clutched my bible for good measure. I strained remember

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<v Speaker 1>words and incantations by either priest or wise woman. But

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<v Speaker 1>the best I could manage was a vague prayer to

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<v Speaker 1>be interpreted by whatever heard me. In my moment of need,

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<v Speaker 1>I drank the stone, touched water down all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>though it chilled my teeth and stung my tongue. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I realized, too late that the charm was no good,

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<v Speaker 1>for it had touched the ground, sunlight had fallen upon it.

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<v Speaker 1>The power of the elves had all but drained from

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and I was afforded only passing relief. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I write this letter by candlelight, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>weigh it down on the table with the Queer stone

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<v Speaker 1>as proof, for I am now Elf marked and Elf taken.

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<v Speaker 1>I swell, I ache to the moon rises once more

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<v Speaker 1>in the sound of their music fills the night. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>just about to blow your mind the production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 1>that little cold open definitely takes some liberties with the

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<v Speaker 1>folklore we're going to be discussing here today. When just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a little seasonal Halloween flavor here going

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, which I guess is kind of kick

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<v Speaker 1>starting or how lloween season here on Stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. But but today we're going to be talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>as you might guess from the opening, elf shot or

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<v Speaker 1>elf stones, Pixie arrows, elf arrows, and many other names,

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<v Speaker 1>the missiles of the others. Yeah, yeah, So the basic

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<v Speaker 1>idea here, I think is basically embedded in the fiction

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<v Speaker 1>we just shared here. The idea that and this is

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<v Speaker 1>just roughly so. Like with with many folk traditions, as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll discuss, there a number of variations over time and space.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea here is that the elves, out of

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<v Speaker 1>trickery or pure malice, they might shoot cattle or humans

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases with their invisible arrows, and these invisible

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<v Speaker 1>arrows leave little or no physical trace in again in

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<v Speaker 1>many tellings, but cause otherwise unexplainable pain or disease or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps even death. The notion was supported via the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of discovered Neolithic arrowheads and other curios, and the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>especially tied to the British Isles, but one sees examples

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<v Speaker 1>of it from elsewhere in Europe as well as from

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<v Speaker 1>the America's after colonial arrival. Right. So, the belief in

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<v Speaker 1>elf shot, I think is best understood not as a

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<v Speaker 1>single belief but as a sort of uh complex of

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<v Speaker 1>related explanations for totally different types of natural phenomena that

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<v Speaker 1>are all sort of unified under under a common theory

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<v Speaker 1>of of fairy weapons and fairy malice. Yeah. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>without diving any deeper we can we can see the

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<v Speaker 1>appeal of these ideas. Right. It's a superstitious, supernatural script

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<v Speaker 1>that can help explain several different things, help explain and

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise unexplained illness, otherwise unexplained pain or another malady, otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>unexplained illness or death, and cattle and otherwise unexplained artifacts

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<v Speaker 1>found on or in the Earth. Now it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>I think at this point to discuss the elves of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know, for for many of us out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you you say the word elf, and there are probably

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<v Speaker 1>a few different key images and ideas that are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>immediately come come to life in your mind. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>especially now with the Rings of Power on TV and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, many of and also you know the resurgence

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<v Speaker 1>of Dungeons and Dragons, people are going to think about

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<v Speaker 1>the fantasy elves of Tolkien and Tolken derived works like

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<v Speaker 1>Dungeons and Dragons. Uh. For for others of you out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you might instantly think about Santa's elves or Keebler elves.

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<v Speaker 1>Little you know, curious people making novelties and imaginary idealistic workshops. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that the influence of Tolkien is so

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<v Speaker 1>strong that, uh, at least in America. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this would be as true in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the English speaking world even, but but at

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<v Speaker 1>least in America, when you say elf, I think what

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<v Speaker 1>people mostly think is a Tolkien style high elf an

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<v Speaker 1>l Rond or Galadriel to figure a kind of noble

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<v Speaker 1>and elegant fantasy aristocrat who has, you know, wisdom and

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<v Speaker 1>magic arts to offer. Yeah, and generally just super blonde hair,

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<v Speaker 1>like real, real, pristine blonde wig going on in many cases.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess el Ron Elron didn't have blond hair. Elrond

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<v Speaker 1>have red hair. I don't know, dark hair. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know he's I mean, there's an Elrond, young Elrond, the

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<v Speaker 1>younger version of Elrond is in the Rings of Power,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm suddenly at at a loss to remember

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<v Speaker 1>what color is hair is mainly remember the ears. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking around the year two thousand two or so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like live Tyler. That's an elf. I guess. The

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing is that, of course both of these ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Tolkien's ideas of elves have have their roots in

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<v Speaker 1>actual folklore and mythology, as one would expect. But but

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<v Speaker 1>even like Santa's ells and Keepler elves, I guess they're

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<v Speaker 1>not They're not completely removed from the mythologic called roots here,

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<v Speaker 1>but that but perhaps less connected. Yea, as you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Once you get outside of the very sort of narrowly

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<v Speaker 1>Tolkien influenced idea, the elf is actually an extremely broad

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<v Speaker 1>tradition right right, and you get into into many of

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<v Speaker 1>these traditions and beliefs of old and elves get more

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious and also more dangerous. They become less human and

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<v Speaker 1>harder to fathom. So I want Two of the sources

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<v Speaker 1>I often turn to when when thinking about these things

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<v Speaker 1>are Brewers Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, which is is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is a pretty pretty good book even

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<v Speaker 1>today for for for highlighting some of this stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>then of course I always look at the books of

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<v Speaker 1>Folklore's Carol Rose in particular for this one Spirits, Ferries,

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<v Speaker 1>Leprikaans and Goblins, which is still very much in print.

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<v Speaker 1>I always recommend that one to two fans of mythological

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<v Speaker 1>and folkloric beings. But in Brewers Dictionary Phrase and Fable,

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of elf is quote a dwarfish being of

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<v Speaker 1>Teutonic mythology possessed of magical powers which is used for

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<v Speaker 1>the good or ill of mankind. Carol Rose, in uh

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<v Speaker 1>in the Spirits Fairies, Lepricuns and Goblins, mentions that in

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<v Speaker 1>Teutonic mythology, the alpha are subdivided into dark elves and

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<v Speaker 1>light elves, and Rose refers to them as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a type of sprite found in British, Icelandic, Scandinavian and

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<v Speaker 1>Teutonic legend. They are the the alf the alf. There

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<v Speaker 1>are several different spellings that are kind of like elf

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<v Speaker 1>or alf or yielf for or in some cases you

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<v Speaker 1>have like the Ellen or el folk and Danish you

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<v Speaker 1>have the elvore in Swedish traditions, and then they're the

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<v Speaker 1>spay Wise and Icelandic traditions and many more. Now there

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<v Speaker 1>have been attempts to understand elves as both um sort

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<v Speaker 1>of folkloric and mythological reverberations of our understandings of indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>people's which certainly ties in with some of the themes

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<v Speaker 1>will be exploring here, as well as with people born

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<v Speaker 1>with certain birth defects or people that have certain illnesses. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are perhaps broader explorations, but but I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can see the validity of both avenues combined of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as always with the self sustaining power of myth, folklore

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<v Speaker 1>and belief. You know, we we often mentioned on the

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<v Speaker 1>show we can't we can't discount the power of human

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<v Speaker 1>imagination and creativity, be that uh, you know, imagination acting

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<v Speaker 1>out of pure whimsy, or imagination seeking to understand things

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<v Speaker 1>or just even make shape of various realities of life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And another way I would put that is that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>people often did probably see something that they didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>and then try to put together a mythical theory of it,

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of supernatural explanation that would make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then other times, clearly people just make things up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, people have imagination and they dream things up.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get you get both in our mythical traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Can it's limiting to assume that you're always

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<v Speaker 1>looking at one thing or the other right right, But

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<v Speaker 1>once the once the script is established, the script is

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<v Speaker 1>generally nourished and maintained. Um so so like other similar

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<v Speaker 1>beings in folklore, such as say that the Irish tradition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tata done and uh, fairies and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>there's kind of a ghost species are to the elves,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the sublime other that occupies places that we cannot occupy.

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<v Speaker 1>They hold powers that we scarcely comprehend, and they may

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<v Speaker 1>wish as well, they may wish us ill, or they

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<v Speaker 1>may just sort of be neutral in all matters. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are reasons are hard to fathom they might

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<v Speaker 1>do the things they do on a whim, or they

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<v Speaker 1>might have seemingly good reason to act against us or

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<v Speaker 1>or forests. They're also associated with a host of unexplained phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>including visual phenomena, making them a core supernatural script for

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<v Speaker 1>the unexplained that I think alone and many have pointed

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<v Speaker 1>this out aligne closely with twenty and twenty one century

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<v Speaker 1>uses of the UFO script of the the Alien Visitor

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<v Speaker 1>Script for the unexplained as a way of shaping and

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<v Speaker 1>processing things that we don't understand, for examples pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>by both in both Roses book and in Brewers. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a number of elf related phenomenon in folk traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>and they include the following. There's elf bore, which is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently This is the apparently a piece of wood from

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<v Speaker 1>which the knot has been dropped out. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how how much I really need a supernatural script to

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<v Speaker 1>explain that, but fair enough. There's elf cake. This is

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<v Speaker 1>an enlargement of the spleen elf child. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>change link getting into changeling traditions. This one was new

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<v Speaker 1>to me. An elf cup elf cup This would be

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<v Speaker 1>where you have stone that has a hollow form from

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<v Speaker 1>dripping water and water collects there. Well, that's the elf cup,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess the elves drink from it. Elf are

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<v Speaker 1>getting interditions of the willow the wisp, which we've covered

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before. Now here's one that people with

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<v Speaker 1>long longer hair, or with children with longer hair can

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<v Speaker 1>definitely comment on. Elf locks. These are tangles and knots

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<v Speaker 1>in the hair caused by elves in the night. If

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<v Speaker 1>one is elf marked, that may refer to birth defects

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<v Speaker 1>or birth marks caused by the elves. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>elf taken, that means you're a bewitched or an enchanted person.

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<v Speaker 1>Elf twisted may refer to someone who has suffered a stroke,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also can refer to deformed vegetation elf twisted vegetation.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this is an interesting one I ran across

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I don't think this was in neither of

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<v Speaker 1>these texts, but elf milling the sound of woodworms chewing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course we have our elf pharaohs are

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<v Speaker 1>elf shot um, which again is a perfect script to

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<v Speaker 1>turn to in an attempt to explain the unexplainable, and

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<v Speaker 1>also is alluded to in the cold Open the artifacts

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<v Speaker 1>associated with elf shot. The little found uh uh stones

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<v Speaker 1>and arrowheads are also associated with various folk medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>magical practices, generally thought to heal or alleviate illness in

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<v Speaker 1>animals or humans. Generally, uh illness is caused or perceived

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<v Speaker 1>to be caused by the elf shot. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>get shot by a fantasy arrow, by a magical arrow

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<v Speaker 1>from an uh from the elves, well, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>find that that artifact, well, then maybe we have a

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<v Speaker 1>chance of curing things. Or if we happen to have

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<v Speaker 1>any in the collection of the local healer, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little satchel of of elf stone somewhere, well, those can

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<v Speaker 1>be used uh in the curative arts, drawing on the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional logic of like cures like or sympathetic magic, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that if your if your ailment is caused by

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<v Speaker 1>a certain type of object or or action, then it

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<v Speaker 1>can also be maybe cured by a similar or related

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<v Speaker 1>type of object or action, right right, And sometimes these stones,

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<v Speaker 1>these elf arrows and so forth, they're thought to be

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<v Speaker 1>be essentially the ones that were fired. Other times they

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<v Speaker 1>may have been dropped by the elves. And some other

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<v Speaker 1>cases you have situations where these things are interpreted as

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<v Speaker 1>having like fallen from the sky and so forth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the older sources that I read quoted

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<v Speaker 1>said that they were dropped from the air. Now for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of related concepts. Here in Scotland, there are

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<v Speaker 1>also tales of fairy riding, by which a livestocks paralysis

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<v Speaker 1>has explained as being due to exhaustion caused by fairies

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<v Speaker 1>riding the animals around his mounts all through the night.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the use of thunder stones, of which I

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<v Speaker 1>guess elf shot is kind of a subset or at

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<v Speaker 1>least the very related concepts in which people have reinterpreted stone,

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<v Speaker 1>axe heads, tools, and also fossils as sacred objects that

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<v Speaker 1>may have fallen from the sky or experienced some other

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural entry into our world. And we see examples of

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<v Speaker 1>this in European, Native American and Asian traditions as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I found an interesting quote on this. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>eight in need Fire publishing The Illustrated Archaeologists by archaeologist

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<v Speaker 1>Jay romilly Allen. Quote. There is hardly a single prehistoric

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<v Speaker 1>remain in the country whose name does not show that

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<v Speaker 1>common people associated with fairies, which is hags or the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>So too, with the implements and objects found on ancient sites.

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<v Speaker 1>The stone celt is looked upon as a thunderbolt, the

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<v Speaker 1>flint arrow and elf arrow, the spindle wheel, a fairies millstone,

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<v Speaker 1>the colored glass bead, an adder bead adder beads by

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<v Speaker 1>the way where these were thought to have been created

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<v Speaker 1>by snakes, and they were used in folk medicine as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course in general, the idea of invisible missiles

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<v Speaker 1>sent by a supernatural enemy that causes illness. This is

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<v Speaker 1>also comparable to other concepts of magic, spells and curses

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<v Speaker 1>that can be found in cultures throughout the world from

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<v Speaker 1>you know their exam puls, like the traditions of the

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<v Speaker 1>skin walkers among the Navaho, the concept of google poison,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Han Chinese traditions um, and you know many

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<v Speaker 1>such traditions around the world that involve the work of

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<v Speaker 1>outsiders or secret outsiders that bring about sickness in a

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<v Speaker 1>given people. Thank yeah, now, I thought it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea for elf shots, specifically to uh look

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<v Speaker 1>at a paper that collected some direct accounts of folk

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs about elf shot, especially in Scotland, UM, where a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this folklore work was done. Uh. And this

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<v Speaker 1>paper is by Thomas Davidson. It's called elf Shot Cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>It was published in the journal Antiquity in nineteen fifty six. Uh. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to preface. In the next episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going to talk about a couple of papers

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<v Speaker 1>that um offers some criticism of the subject of elf shot,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe questioning some things about this alleged folk belief. But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be good to first look at

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<v Speaker 1>some of the more prevailing notions from from previous scholarship. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this paper by Davidson kicks off offering a number of accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one is one that was recorded in Scottish

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<v Speaker 1>Notes and Queries in the first series. And uh this uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is rendered with a wonderful bit of transliterated Scottish accent,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will not attempt to do in my own

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<v Speaker 1>voice as I read it. But it is quoting a

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<v Speaker 1>Buccan farmer. Uh. This is a this is a region

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<v Speaker 1>of Scotland, a Buccan farmer in the late autumn of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty four, and his complaint was as follows, quoted

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<v Speaker 1>in Scottish Notes and Queries. Oh, and there are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of terms in here. I'll have to come back

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<v Speaker 1>and define in a minute, probably, but uh. The quote

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<v Speaker 1>goes like this, I've gotten an ill job this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>in the death of a fine stirk by elf shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And the pity is he wasn't fastened to a hair tether,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a halter made of hair. Uh. Fan, the

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<v Speaker 1>weapon would have fallen short of him. And then Davidson writes,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked whether it might not have been due to

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<v Speaker 1>quarter ill, he replied that couldn't be. My neighbor and

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<v Speaker 1>me open up the beast, and there was a hole

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<v Speaker 1>through his heart, so a couple of things there. He

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<v Speaker 1>says that this happened to a stirk. A stirk is

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<v Speaker 1>a yearling bullock or heifer, so I think a calf

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<v Speaker 1>young cattle. Uh. And then there's this reference to quarter

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<v Speaker 1>ill as the the opposite explanation. Uh. Quarter Ill is

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<v Speaker 1>a common disease found in livestock, also known as black leg.

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<v Speaker 1>It's caused by an infection, often in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>limbs by Clostridium bacteria. And I've read in other sources

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<v Speaker 1>that death can be very rapid after symptoms first present,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes just a matter of hours. So you could have

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<v Speaker 1>a calf fall dead of quarter ill without really much

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<v Speaker 1>warning at all. I love the detail about the hole

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<v Speaker 1>through the heart. This lines up with some other accounts

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at where while you know which, elf

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<v Speaker 1>shot is not thought to present a traditional wound. In

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<v Speaker 1>some cases there's no wound at all, but other times

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<v Speaker 1>there is a wound if you know what to look for,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look closely enough. And of course this easily

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<v Speaker 1>falls in with the realities we see mirrored and other

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural scripts, like if you you know the mark of

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<v Speaker 1>the witch, well, if you look closely enough and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to find it enough, you will find the mark

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<v Speaker 1>of the witch. If you want to find the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the hidden sensor that the aliens put in a

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<v Speaker 1>person's flesh, well, just keep looking. You'll find something that

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<v Speaker 1>seems a little odd, and surely that is the mark. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are all kinds of methods to detect the mark.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about that a bit in a minute. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them I read about is like a the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>member of the family should wear a blue bonnet, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the blue bonnet will be rubbed all over the cow,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow the rubbing of the flower or the actually

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that refers to a flower or

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<v Speaker 1>an actual bonnet, it says blue bonnet in the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>But whichever one it is, you rub that on the

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<v Speaker 1>cow and that will reveal where the where the animal

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<v Speaker 1>was struck. But anyway, so to recap this story from

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen eighty four, this farmer is saying a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>young calf drops dead in its first year suddenly, no

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<v Speaker 1>apparent explanation. Uh. Though again, of course there are diseases

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<v Speaker 1>that caused sudden death in bovines. And the farmer and

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<v Speaker 1>his neighbor confirmed the cause of death was elf shot

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<v Speaker 1>because they did an autopsy and found that even though

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<v Speaker 1>the animal had no external wounds, there was a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in the animal's heart. Okay. Second account cited by Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>This was originally published in Proceedings of the Society of

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<v Speaker 1>Antiquaries in Scotland. Uh, And it goes like this, Davidson writes. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Some years before, in eighteen sixty seven, a Mr. Hugh

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison saw a cow which was said to have been

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<v Speaker 1>killed by the fairies. When he pointed out to the

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<v Speaker 1>farmer that her death had been caused by rolling over

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<v Speaker 1>and her long horns penetrating the ground had kept her

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<v Speaker 1>in a position from which she could not rise. He

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<v Speaker 1>was told that that was a common way in which

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<v Speaker 1>cow's fall when struck by the UH. And then this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that is spelled like like it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>sage head sith, but I believe this is sage she

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<v Speaker 1>or side she, which is Scott's galelic for ferry arrow.

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<v Speaker 1>So Davidson connects these beliefs to as we already mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of neolithic flints in the fields and the

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<v Speaker 1>countryside where uh. He claims that these were not generally

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<v Speaker 1>associated with prehistoric human technology. Now, there are some associations

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<v Speaker 1>of that kind going all the way back to the

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century, but they're not generally accepted by the people,

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<v Speaker 1>Davidson says, and he quotes the story of a reverend

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<v Speaker 1>John Frasier who was writing a letter dated to the

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<v Speaker 1>year seventeen o two was recorded in a work called

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<v Speaker 1>The Darker Superstitions of Scotland by J. G. Dal Yell,

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<v Speaker 1>and the letter is talking about how Frasier thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was strange quote that these lf stones, whether little or

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<v Speaker 1>Michel Michel meaning large little or Michel, has still the

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<v Speaker 1>same figure, though certainly known to fall from the air.

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<v Speaker 1>The commonality superstitiously imagines that the fairies hath made and

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<v Speaker 1>gives them that shape, and that they do hurt by them,

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<v Speaker 1>which we call elf shot. And then he goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to quote a wonderful work the seventeenth century minister and

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<v Speaker 1>proto folklorist Robert Kirk's treatise The Secret Commonwealth of Elves,

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<v Speaker 1>Fawns and Fairies, which is a fantastic historical read if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever get time to check that out. So Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>is describing the beliefs of the people of Scotland and

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the weapons made by elves and fairies, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to quote here from Davidson. Similarly, Kirk describes the

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<v Speaker 1>weapons as being quote most what solid earthly bodies, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>of iron, but much of stone, like to a soft flints,

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<v Speaker 1>shaped like a barbed arrowhead, but flung like a dart

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<v Speaker 1>with great force. These arms cut by airt and tools.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems beyond humane. And I think aert as a

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<v Speaker 1>noun often means like a compass point, but it could

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<v Speaker 1>mean like art or guidance. But again Kirk is saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they're beyond human. Said I think I said humane,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd probably just be human. Here have have something

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<v Speaker 1>of the nature of thunderbolt subtlety and mortally wounding the

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<v Speaker 1>vital parts without breaking the skin. So I love this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>They have something of the nature of thunderbolt subtlety. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This description from the seventeenth century reminds me of what

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<v Speaker 1>the farmer and the much later account in the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century said about opening up the calf and finding that

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<v Speaker 1>even though the skin had not been broken, the heart

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<v Speaker 1>had been pierced with the fairy arrow, and they could

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<v Speaker 1>tell by the whole And Uh. Here Kirk says that

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<v Speaker 1>these weapons have this this thunderbolt subtlety. If I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that right, I think he's suggesting almost kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>semi spectral quality that like lightning, they can kill you

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<v Speaker 1>without leaving a hole in the skin. Even though they

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<v Speaker 1>are actual physical missiles. They've got kind of a transparent

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<v Speaker 1>or or subtle quality that allows them to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>warp through solid matter. And later in the text, Davidson

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<v Speaker 1>writes that there was a belief in Ireland where you

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<v Speaker 1>could have an animal that had been hit by by

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<v Speaker 1>an elf arrow and you would not find a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in the skin. But if you feel with your fingers

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<v Speaker 1>you could find a hole in the flesh beneath even

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<v Speaker 1>though again the skin is intact. And I love thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that because even if you just you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel around on your own body, you can find all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of little like I don't know, textural differences in

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<v Speaker 1>the flesh underneath the skin you're pressing on, which you

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<v Speaker 1>could interpret to be like a hole. Yeah, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can go wild, you know, reinterpreting your

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<v Speaker 1>own uh physiology if you think there might be some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a hole there made by by elves

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you. Um, yeah, yeah, so that it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's fascinating well and it makes me think about like, um, hypochondria,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in this era. So now you might have

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<v Speaker 1>a more realistic catalog of diseases to draw upon when

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<v Speaker 1>you are a sort of like getting in your head

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<v Speaker 1>about that and assuming that you might have all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things affecting you. You can like look up real

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<v Speaker 1>medical conditions on the internet, but like, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>a time before that, instead of hypochondriac googling the Mayo

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<v Speaker 1>Clinic website and stuff people are thinking about like elf

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<v Speaker 1>arrows and all kinds of curses and things like that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>did I pull a muscle or do I have elf cake?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's both would seem equally possible in these cases.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think there's an interesting tension here that if

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<v Speaker 1>there was some belief that these weapons were how ghostly

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<v Speaker 1>or or subtle in a more archaic sense, like able

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<v Speaker 1>to pass through solid objects like a ghost. Um, that's

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<v Speaker 1>in an interesting tension with the evidence of them often

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<v Speaker 1>being literally an artifact made of stone. The stone the

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<v Speaker 1>most perfectly solid and earthly substance people can think of. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is interesting, the idea that this is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of at once it is somehow I a magical, invisible

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<v Speaker 1>weapon that cuts right through flesh and pierces organs and

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<v Speaker 1>brings about mysterious health illnesses, and at the same time, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the stone. You can hold it, you can pick

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Uh it it outlives us all. One final

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>account I wanted to mention from davidson Um. He quotes

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a testimony allegedly given during trials for witchcraft in Scotland.

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is in a book by Pitcairn. Uh. And

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>this is citing the alleged testimony of a woman convicted

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>for witchcraft in sixteen sixty two named Isabel Goudie, who

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 1>reports having seen the elf arrows being made. Quote the

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>devil sharps them with his own hand and delivers them

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to elf boys. What whittles and dates them? I think

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>dits means to like adorn, equip or ready something and

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>dates them with a sharp thing like a packing needle.

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>And a packing needle was a large, heavy needle used

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>for sewing rough materials like canvas. Now that's an interesting

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>account for a number of ways. Uh. One is that,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>of course, while we should always be skeptical readers of

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>any historical account, remember that they're like several extra layers

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of skepticism you should apply to alleged confessions of witches,

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>not just because they involve supernatural elements, but because you

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>have to often suspect coercion in the circumstances of the confession,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and also suspect alterations made by the persons allegedly recording

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the testimony. But interesting, nonetheless, that like somebody at least

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>put together this account of so Satan is making these

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 1>weapons and then handing them off to elf boys to

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>be refined to the elf boys will whittle them and

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>then adorn them with like a sharp prick on the end,

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 1>like a packing needle. Yeah, I was reading in one

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>of my sources that I was looking at that you

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 1>see a lot of uh of picking and choosing from

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>both Christian and pre Christian traditions and working out exactly

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>how elf shot works in this case, but also how

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>one alleviates self shot, Like are you are you calling

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>out to uh, to to the Holy Ghost, or are

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you sort of calling out maybe with a little more,

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, a little more vaguely to other powers in

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the world. I would say this is also evidence of

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a tradition that you see. I think we talked about

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>this a bit in some episodes we did last year

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>called the Holy Undead that involves some stories of stories

0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>from the frontiers of Christianity in the medieval period. But

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the idea would be that sometimes beings that were not

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>necessarily devils or could have multiple moral valences in the

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>original context of a religion, once the area is taken

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>over by a new religion, these beings undergo a kind

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of formal demonization where now they're just turned into well,

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>those were demons, actually those are devils now. I'm reminded

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>of an example, uh that this was something from one

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of our episodes last year that came out during Halloween,

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Ghosts of wind and Rain. I believe with the title,

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned her Nay the Hunter as being a kind

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of kind of wild Hunt related ghost that was said

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to ride through the woods surrounding Windsor Castle. And there

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>are various stories about him. But I remember one of

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the one of the details from that, and I won't

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>go through through all of it, but there was one account, uh,

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and this one was actually shared by by Carol Rose

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and one of her books. Uh. There's a story told

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.479
<v Speaker 1>or retold by folkloreist Ruth Tongue about three British youths

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>decked out in the teddy boys style of the nineties sixties,

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're out there in the woods near Windsor Castle.

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>They find they find a horn in the woods, they

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>blow it, and then an unseen spirit pursues them through

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the woods and shoots one of them with a ghost arrow,

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>slaying them dead without any physical wound. So so that

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of course is easily playing with the same power of

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 1>colors that we have in elf shot. I mean, it

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>is essentially elf shot, So there could be like a

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>hole in the brain without mustling of the pompadour. Right,

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the story is much funnier. By the way, if you

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>know what the Teddy Boys style looks like, so you

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>should look that up if you're not familiar. I had

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to look it up again to see what the style

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>consisted of. And uh, it's hard to nail down, like

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to really like, how do I explain this

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>weird suits, strange hair, kind of a youth a youth

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>style that did not quite become iconic, at least not

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>not not to to to modern minds. Maybe it has

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>more staying power in Britain. I see some elaborate upswept

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>hair styles. I guess you would call these pompadours or

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe something else. But then I see

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>very long coats, sometimes skinny ties. I don't know what

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>else to group this with. It's it's not exactly maud,

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not exactly greas Er. It's it's something else. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>British subculture of the mid fifties to the mid sixties.

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess the big thing would be, like, what are

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the teddy boy movies? I think there was there was

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>just a movie called Teddy Boys from what is this nine,

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>starring Cliff Richard. But again I have to hear from

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>from perhaps our listeners in the UK who have thoughts

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 1>on the teddy boy style teddy Boy or not. You

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go messing around in the woods, uh

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and picking up strange horns and blowing on him, because

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>it's one way to catch a costero. Right. And one

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>last thing I do want to say about this paper

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>before we move on for now is that even by

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Davidson's account, not everybody who found an arrowhead and in

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Great Britain and centuries past thought that they were made

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>by elves, fairies, which is or the devil. Davidson quotes

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>a Welsh naturalist named Louid I think is how you

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>say his name, I spelled l h w y d.

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>But who this guy is early is the seventeenth century,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>was arguing that these l pharaohs were in fact relics

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of a previous regime of human manufacture. In fact, he

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>was arguing against multiple theories, one that they had been

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>made by supernatural beings, the other that they had just

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>been made as charms. Uh. And he was like, I

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.239
<v Speaker 1>don't think they were made as charms. In fact, they

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>look a lot like the arrows that are still used

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>by some people today to hunt food. Uh So, yeah,

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>they were probably used for shooting by people who used

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to live here. Yeah, but but like we said, they

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>do end up getting used as amulets and charms and

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>uh and also have their their place in folk remedies

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of the day. One of the sources I was looking

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>at with a with a focus on Irish traditions is

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Flint and Lithic Lore by Marian Dowd from twenty nineteen

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>published in Archaeology Ireland, and Dowd points out that the

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>artifacts and question in in Ireland in this case and

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>collected by the Irish Folklore Committee in the late nineteen thirties,

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>we're primarily collected and originally interpreted in post medieval and

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>modern Irish rural communities. And the various elf stones or

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>elf shots they consisted of various things including post medieval

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>gun flints, fossils, unusual pebbles, but they also included Neolithic

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and Bronze age arrow heads. Uh So, I think that's

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>important to keep in mind, Like basically, anything could be

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>an elf stone or an elf arrow if it were

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>if it were found, if it were and if we're

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>found to be novel in some way and then gets uh,

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, reinterpreted with this supernatural script. Reminds me a

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>bit of the I'm all I've brought this up numerous

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>times with the idea of star jelly, the idea that

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>if you see see some sort of it looks like

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that something fell from the sky in the nearby woods.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>So you go out into the nearby woods and you

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>keep poking around, and do you find something slimy that

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I've never seen that before. This must be

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the thing that fell from the sky. There's plenty, There

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of slimy things in the woods. You just

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>are usually aren't looking for them. But if you look

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>for them with the script in mind, the mucus of

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the universe. Yeah. So doubt also points out some basically

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>goes over some of the general ideas caught up in

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the traditions of elf shot. Sometimes the effects were human

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>targeted in order to take the person away to the

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 1>fairy realm. But and it seems like most cases you're

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the targeting of cattle. And in some cases

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 1>this might be intentional. Other times it's described as being

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>due to an accident, Like basically, there are battles between

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>groups of elves and the night, and well, your cattle

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>just happened to a stray between these two groups, and

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 1>one of them caught an elf arrow by accident. And

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>then there are other things, of course, one can do

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to anger the elves and some of these traditions. One

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>of the examples that that she specifically mentioned is the

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>cutting down of a white thorn tree. Uh that especially

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that could earn you an elf shot right there. And

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>then she gets into a lot of She also expends

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time talking about the cures for elf shot,

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these do end up involving the

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>little elf stones and elf arrows that one might find

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>these various stone artifacts that are very often um uh

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Neolithic or Bronze age arrowheads. But she mentions other cures

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that don't involve this. For instance, one was to travel

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>silently and wordlessly to a bog and fetch water for

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the animal to drink, but you had to keep your

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>silence the whole time, where it wouldn't work. She discusses

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a collection of elf stones known as the Tawny Wady

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>duff Sades and the action She says consisted of fifteen

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.879
<v Speaker 1>flint and church lithics, including a neolithic hollow scraper, too

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>convext scrapers, several complete and broken blades and flakes, waist flakes,

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and a post medieval gun flint. And these are apparently

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.760
<v Speaker 1>also been used in various folk medicine treatments over the years.

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>As she points out later, you would often have in

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a community, you would have a collection of these like

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 1>these would be the the elf stones that were kept.

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>And if there's some sort of suspected case of of

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>of an animal having been elf shot or experiencing elf bolt,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>then you would turn to these artifacts and somebody you

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>know who knew how to use them. I included a

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>picture here of of these particular stones from from this paper, Joe,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and you can you can see them here there. Uh,

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>these have not been or at least to my eye,

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>they don't seem to have been changed in any way,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>shape or form. I know. I saw some other images

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>where it looks like in the sort of reinterpretation of

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the item, there might be something added to them, but

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>these seem very much as they would have been found. Yeah,

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen some mounted in um. I don't know what

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 1>the term is a little sort of like frame for

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>a for a stone charm. Yeah, so how would these

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 1>be used? Well, you mentions we we mentioned the water already,

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and indeed the use of water seems to to to

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 1>be a common theme and treatments where you'll have the

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 1>the elf shot will be placed in the water. Other

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 1>times they'll be wrapped in a rag, and then that

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>bundle of of rag and stones will be placed in

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the water, and then you give the water to the

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 1>animal to drink. Uh. Sometimes the water is heated up,

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>other times it's not. Sometimes iron is added to the mixture.

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes coins. In one case that she cites the mix,

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the mixer added quote a floorin a penny and a halfpenny,

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>so very very specific amount of money added to the mix.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Who keeps the money afterwards? Um, I don't know, Like,

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't guess the money is considered especial as the stone.

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>So I guess the money might go back in your pocket,

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>but it could be wrong on that. She also mentions

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a treatment method by which quote, a plow culture was

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>heated in the fire and passed around the cow several times,

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>repeating incantations until the elf dart quote melted into the

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 1>animal's body. And I really love that one, in part

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.479
<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't seem to involve water or the use

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>of one of these stones. It uses like another sort

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of magical modern artifact, like magical power is attributed to

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the plow culture. And then you're you're using incantations and

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>making this like the supernatural dart that is inside the

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>animal melt away and become part of the animal. And

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, this particularly reminded me of a bit

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>of of both, like psychic surgery and U follow the

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>ufology concept of alien implants, like you know, there's a

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>there's something inside it's not supposed to be be there.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Let's use a uh, you know, psychic surge to read

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to remove it. Uh. And of course you know that'll

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>be a situation where you know it is a it's

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a con act where one is is is pretending, putting

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>on a show of removing something from the body without

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:19.439
<v Speaker 1>actually making uh an indention in the body. Now, what's

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>interesting to think about there, though, is that on one hand,

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>dealing with like modern concepts of of psychic surgery and

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>uphology U phoology UM versus these older ideas when you're

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the human context, some sort of ritual like

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>this could have a placebo effect on the human individual,

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and you would, so you can never discount the placebo

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>effect completely. But with the cow, I mean, the cow

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what's going on. They don't know. The cow

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know why you're heating up a plow culture and

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>going in circles around it, etcetera. The wait, though, that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a fantastic question that I have never thought to

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<v Speaker 1>look into before. Would there be a placebo effect on animals,

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>It would probably need to work by a different mechanism, because,

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>like in humans, it does seem to make a difference

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>if the human thinks there's a mechanism of repair or something,

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 1>even if there's not. UH. In the case of an animal, though,

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I could still imagine there could be placebo like effects,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like that an animal UH feels better by receiving

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>attention from its human, like the same human that feeds

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it is paying attention to it now, or by I

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, other sort of calming effects of certain types

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of attention or intervention. I don't know, like that the

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>licking of a like a dog licking its wound, that

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. I guess that's a more complicated topic,

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>like to what extent is the licking actually helping? And

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>then what to what extent is it just a calming

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>action on the part of the dog. Oh I I

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>imagine that dogs looking wounds is to some extent adaptive.

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I again, I haven't checked this. I would. I would

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.240
<v Speaker 1>assume that it would be to remove contaminants from wounds,

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>now downshairs other healing measures here. Um, This one I

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>think was was from the modern period quote the fairy

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>shot cow was cured by feeding her gunpowder mixed with

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>an egg my favorite breakfast. Wait a minute, Hold, don't

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 1>know how gunpowder has has ingredients that that are used

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>in cooking sometimes, right, like like nitrates? Am I wrong

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 1>about that? Hold on, okay, I was right about That's

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a gunpowder is like the main constituent of it is

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>potassium nitrate also known as salt peter, and that is

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>also a major ingredient in like cured meats. So I

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe you're having like a cured egg. Gilk,

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm reaching here. I'm I'm gonna put on

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a strong warning against trying this at home, though, Please

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>do not try cooking do not cook with gunpowder. UH.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Do share somebout some other fascinating tidbits from these various

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 1>accounts of elf shot. One is that disrupting a ring

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>fort could earn you potential elf shot. These were these

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>are This also gets into the reinterpretation of of remains

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of of old civilizations and cultures, because ring forts, UH,

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>certainly in Ireland and outside of Ireland as well, we're

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about the remains of Bronze Age circular fortified settlements. UH.

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>In particulars. She mentions one account that was shared of

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.919
<v Speaker 1>a woman driving cattle past her ring fort and then

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>suddenly the herd is attacked by a by a ferry

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 1>shooting one of these arrows through the air, and a

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>cow was struck and collapses. But then she's able to

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>search around find various bits of flint fragments, boil these

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>quote in the cow's drink and thereby cured her. And

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>there's some other fun accounts that there's some sort of

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>like near misses that I also thought were very very fun.

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>There's one account in which a UH, you have a

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 1>woman returning home and she has a wooden pail of

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 1>milk with her, and when she gets home, she realizes

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that there are two elf stones bedded in the pail

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>uh and uh, and these were thrown by by the fairies,

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 1>by the elves. There's another story of a woman carrying

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a baby and when she gets home, she finds that

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the baby has one of the elf stones in its

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 1>hand and it's chewing on it. Which I like that

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>one as well, Like did the baby catch it out

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of the air or did the elves like give it

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>to the baby? Like I kind of like that later

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>interpretation because it's like, you know, the the elves sea like, oh,

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>this is a baby. This is really you know this,

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.919
<v Speaker 1>this this isn't like the other humans. Let's give let's

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>give the baby an el pharaoh. And also let's kind

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>of just mess with the mom by doing this catching

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it in the web. That's a nimble baby. That baby's

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>got a future in professional sports anyway. Conventional wisdom is

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that if if there is elf shot thrown at you

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and you having to find some an elf stone on

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the ground, you better take it as a protective amulet

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and or to use as it for its curative effects

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>if you were hit or or the you know more

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>particularly of a cow in your keeping was hit. And

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there are sort of common interchangeable features of the cure

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that doubt shares. So Uh. We've touched on on several

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>stories that mentioned this already. It's placing the stones in

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>water and perhaps adding something like a piece of metal

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>or particular coins to the water as well. Um. Then

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the water may be consumed by the sick or in

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>some cases rubbed on like the cow's body. Uh. There

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>may be prayers, they may be incantations, and I saw

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 1>some examples of these that some of them like blean

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>more into Christian traditions and mentioned the Holy ghost. Others

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>seem a little more pre Christian. Uh. Water it the

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>water itself that's used may come from a particular place,

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>such as a stream at a crossroads or a particular bog. Uh.

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>And then at least in one case, I saw a

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>situation where once you have the water prepared, instead of

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>giving it to the cow, you pour it on the

0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>ground near where the elf shot occurred, so so treat

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the place where the wounding occurred, to treat the wound. Also,

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.720
<v Speaker 1>silence during journeys factors into some of these already mentioned.

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>One account of that again a mixing of pagan and

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Christian traditions and uh. Yeah, so so these are just

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>some of the basic properties you see in the treatment,

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 1>though there there again a lot of variations here. There's

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of drift into exactly how one might cure

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 1>elf shot and exactly how or to what extent or

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>if you might incorporate elf stones in the cure. Now

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't look, but I can only imagine that various

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:39.720
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy thinkers have a lot of fun with us in uh,

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like ancient aliens and uh, and perhaps

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:47.399
<v Speaker 1>ancient time travelers. Like clearly they might argue this is

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>this is referring to a time when a time traveler

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.800
<v Speaker 1>went back in time and fired a revolver at somebody

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 1>fired a handgun and there's a shell casing left on

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the ground. Um or or you know, an alien used

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a phaser or something to that effect. Yeah, I was

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>thinking phasers, because there you could have some kind of

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of science fantasy explanation of how it's

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:11.399
<v Speaker 1>apps the inside, uh, the inside without burning skin. Yeah.

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>And of course I love the argument of well, the

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>elves were actually aliens, because yes, that is absolutely correct,

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 1>but not in the way that you're trying not not

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>in the way that you're you're saying it, like the

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 1>l the idea of the elf, the idea of the

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>alien visitor, like these, these are the highly related concepts.

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>These are linked concepts that do the same thing that

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>birth fulfill the same purpose in our attempt to understand, uh,

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the the unknown. Uh So, Yeah, that's that's always amusing. Yeah,

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's quite clear that at the very least

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in most cases what you're looking at is extremely similar

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 1>mental and social phenomena getting a new code of paint

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>or getting a real skin basically, And I certainly don't

0:46:55.680 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>want to speak ill of the elves. I will read

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>everybody a quote from the Wikipedia entry on elves. This

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.959
<v Speaker 1>is what I shared with you, uh, just the other day,

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Joe quote. This is from the Wikipedia entry. From a

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>scientific viewpoint, elves are not considered objectively real. Citation needed.

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Where have you? Where has anyone ever proven that elves

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 1>are not objectively real? Well? They There's a citation on

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.280
<v Speaker 1>this line, and it is from an article titled Elves

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and Anglo Saxon, England Matters of belief, Health, gender and

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>identity by um Alaric Hall from from two thousand and seven. Oh,

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple of papers by Alaric Hall that

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to talk about in the next episode. Okay, well,

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I I it sounds like you'll be a good source

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>because he does seem to the Wikipedia citing citation here's correct,

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>does seem to side with the argument that elves are

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:54.479
<v Speaker 1>not objectively real. Okay, we got to redo our whole

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>approach to this. Consult only journals that are dedicated to

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the premise that elves are objectively real. All right, well, yeah,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 1>well we'll be back in the next episode. We have

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>more to say about elf shot and uh elf disease

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. Um. In the meantime, Yeah, welcome to

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