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Speaker 1: This is all wine, this is all passion. I'm look Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I'm this this Morning Combat. Oh it's a Friday. You

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Speaker 1: down on it. Either way, let us help you. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of Morning Combat. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. I am one half of your hosting duo.

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Speaker 1: I join you from the capital of Statasninas, right here

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, joined by my Canadian brethren. Who is

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Speaker 1: What is the weather like where you're at in the

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible and this weekend's going to be particularly

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is sports Nets. Aaron bronzet or Aeron,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here today. Aaron, what

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Speaker 2: We just live our lives in misery. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: But I have tried riding my e bike as much

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Speaker 3: Like Jeff Daniels from Dumb and Dumber, Yes, face it's right.

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Speaker 3: Don't think I don't, but anyway, nice to see you Erin.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here. Let's let's set

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Speaker 1: We do have MMA this weekend. We don't have a

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Speaker 1: We got something going down today or tomorrow, I should say,

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Speaker 1: talk about UFC Fight Night. We'll talk about the weekend's

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Speaker 1: Now very quickly, hold on, come back one more time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I agree with this. I also

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Speaker 1: The reality is Aaron and I'm sure you probably know

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Speaker 6: You know, if everything goes good, I want to get

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Speaker 2: little bit less to gain than Olivera does in this spot,

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00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 2: but I still think it's important for him to establish

434
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 2: himself as one of these top bantamweight guys.

435
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: If he were to get a stoppage over Olavera, would

436
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 1: that turn the fans in his favor?

437
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 2: I think it depends how I think. If he wears

438
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Olivera down and gets a fourth to fifth round finish

439
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,360
Speaker 2: just because Olivera runs out of gas. I still think

440
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 2: that'll go somewhat far with the fans, but I also

441
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 2: think that they're looking for a level of dynamism that

442
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: Bautista doesn't really bring like Olivera does. Those are the

443
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 2: kind of fighters that become fan favorites, and Olivera's got

444
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 2: this look to him. He's looked great since they doing

445
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: in the UFC. I've been very high on him personally. Personally,

446
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried that this fight's gonna be

447
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: a bridge too far for him because of the circumstances

448
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 2: it being five rounds at being a main event against

449
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 2: the guy that it's just so hard to look good against.

450
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think that if either

451
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 2: of them gets a finish, it's certainly gonna help, you know,

452
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: amplify them in terms of the bantamweight standings, in terms

453
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: of the minds of the minds of the fans.

454
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Speaker 1: One of the things that's been brought up to me

455
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: by fans is if you notice that Vanissio so Lavera's

456
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: takedown percentage in terms of takedown defense is sitting at

457
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 1: a pretty good eighty percent. Even in cases where he

458
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: has been taken down, people can barely hold him down

459
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 1: for any amount of time. This is a common feature

460
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: more recently, take down accuracy for Mario Bautista thirty two percent.

461
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: To what extent do you think that that will do?

462
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: Does he have what it takes to break through?

463
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to be the game

464
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: plan for Bautista. I think Bautista is probably gonna try

465
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: to strike with Olivera, and if he does go for takedowns,

466
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: it'll probably be just to mix it up. I don't

467
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: think that he's going to have a grapple heavy approach

468
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: like he did against Aldo. I think with Aldo a

469
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: lot of it the grappling that Bautista did was to

470
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: slow him down, stifle him, and slow him. He might

471
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: implement that sort of a game plan if he wants

472
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: to slow Olivera down. But Olivera isn't quite like as

473
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: fast twitch and dynamic as Aldo is. He's more of

474
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 2: a builder, So I think that that's why my concern

475
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: with Olivera trying to get an early finish is that

476
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: he doesn't take into consideration this being a five round fight.

477
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 2: Having the gas tan to go all five rounds, especially

478
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: with the amount of weight that he's cut in the

479
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. So that's why I think a

480
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: lot of the signs for me point to Bautista as

481
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: being the rightful favorite in this fight, and what makes

482
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 2: this a tough fight for Olivera, who again I've been

483
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: really high on and I would love to see him

484
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: break through. I think that would be great for the division.

485
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm just not seeing it, at least on paper Long Island.

486
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: Do you have the odds for this one?

487
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? So, lest I looked, which I have it up

488
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 4: right here. It's minus one forty two.

489
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 5: Oh, so they've come down minus one forty two for

490
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 5: Bautista plus one twenty for ol of Era. Earlier in

491
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 5: the week, Batista was like minus one eighty.

492
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: So why do you think they've narrowed?

493
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 5: Uh, because I think there's value on low dog as

494
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 5: a dog, no pun intended. I kind of liked him,

495
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 5: and I was considering taking it five rounds is like

496
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 5: the biggest worry for me here.

497
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: Also, like Aaron said, Batista is kind of good everywhere.

498
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 5: He's not really great anywhere, but he's good everywhere, and

499
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: he's a tough guy to like look good against a

500
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 5: tough guy to beat. So I didn't personally take it,

501
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 5: but I could see why people are betting locdo.

502
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: He's just tough to have sustained offense. He can move,

503
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: he can he's got takedown defence, he can scramble, he

504
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: can touch and go, and again, is he gonna overwhelm

505
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you with any of it? Probably not at least in

506
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: this at least not early in this fight anyway. But

507
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: he's just hard to You can land on him right,

508
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: or you can do what Umar did, which was like

509
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: literally tightly control him. But beyond that, it's just hard

510
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: to have sustained offense on this guy. And I'm looking

511
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: at the odds now, Yeah, the money line Mario Bautista

512
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: minus one forty two Vinicius plus one twenty on her

513
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: friends over the DraftKings sportsbook. So something to keep in mind.

514
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this co main event if we can. Aaron,

515
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: here's a fun one. Ami al Bossi's taken on Kilgi Horagucci.

516
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: But Ami al Bosi has been gone for quite some time.

517
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: So the question I have for you is this after

518
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: being gone for longer than this, But it's certainly all

519
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, had a series of injuries and

520
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: some health complications. Is now like the worst time for

521
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: him to be fighting Kilgi Horagucci, right, because he's not

522
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: just fighting a tough guy in Horr Gucci who might

523
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: be up or down. This is a Hora Gucci who

524
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: seems to be rejuvenated as he's returned to the UFC.

525
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also just kind of an awful stylistic matchup

526
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: for Albozi, who's typically the low output, relies on his

527
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: grappling to make things happen, and looks to control his opponents.

528
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: I think that you know, and you look at the

529
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: fight that al Bosi had, Like there have been fights

530
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: where he's been outlanded by a good margin and still

531
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: ends up getting a decision because of optics. But I

532
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: think if you're going to be taking a grapple heavy

533
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: approach against Horgucci, I don't think that's a good move

534
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: because he's so creative in terms of his submissions and

535
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 2: with his scrambles. And then I think in the striking,

536
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: I think horror Gucci's got a good advantage there too

537
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: because of just the lack of output that Albozi has had.

538
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: Now this is a three round fight, so that could

539
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: benefit Albozzi, especially if it takes Horror Gucci a little

540
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: bit to get to get going, or even if it

541
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: takes Albosi a little bit to get going, he can

542
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: he can also bounce back in the later rounds if

543
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 2: it gets there. But to me, again, all signs kind

544
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: of point to Horror Gucci here, the odds are very long,

545
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: but it's just again, it's one of these styles makes

546
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: fight situations, and I don't see al Bosi with a

547
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: great path of victory here.

548
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: I like al Bosi. I thought he had some and

549
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he still doesn't have some potential. I

550
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: do think he's got some potential. But losing a year

551
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: cannot be easy, and you're coming back against the Horror Gucci,

552
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: who's thirty five but so fleet a foot, so able

553
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: to move, very good takedown to fan, it's very good scrambling.

554
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: And I know what folks might say, Aaron, They might say, well,

555
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: PATCHI mix was able to control him for long periods

556
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: of a five round bout, which is true, but a

557
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: that was a patchy mix that had you know, it

558
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: was the middle of his quite literally the middle of

559
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: his military Grand Prix push, which was the best I've

560
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: ever seen him. And also Patchi mixes as you can

561
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: see going to forty five like he's a gigantic bantam weight.

562
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying al Bosi is small eron, but he

563
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same kinds of He's got some backtaking

564
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: skills and he's got some grappling skills in that department,

565
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: but not like Pachi, at least that version of Pachi,

566
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: and certainly not with the same body type.

567
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Patchi is really a kind of an anomaly

568
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: when it comes to the band of weight division. He's

569
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: so tall and long. In fact, the funny thing is,

570
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: you know somebody who's similar to Pachi is the guy

571
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: that hor Gucci just beat in ulin Bekov in terms

572
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: of building, in terms of similar kind of abilities, And

573
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: that's why I think Kaiochi, I think, has actually gotten

574
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 2: better over the last couple of years. And that's kind

575
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: of a scary thing at thirty five for him to

576
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: really he possibly in his prime years because at bantamway

577
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: usually late at thirty five. But I think that again, stylistically,

578
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: I just don't see a great path ral Basi here

579
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: because I think if he prioritizes the grappling. That's when

580
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: hor Gugi can take advantage of scrambles. I thought that

581
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: against Uhlan Bekhov in particular, he looked good in that department.

582
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: And then with the striking, I think that Horror Gucci

583
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: is just a better striker all around, a more powerful striker,

584
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: more dynamic striker. So just in terms of diversity of attack,

585
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: I think that Horr Gucci just has al Basi beating

586
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: almost every department.

587
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: They must want or they must be eyeing Horr Gucci

588
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: either for a big fight in Japan, maybe a title shot.

589
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: He's got to be thinking about that as well, and

590
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: in fact he has. We know, he called out Pantoja

591
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: after his last win. Surely he'll do the same if

592
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: he gets one here. He doubled down on it during

593
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: fight week.

594
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: He can do it.

595
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I want to chat into him, you know,

596
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 8: or I get the beta fast. Then he challenged me,

597
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 8: you know that's a good story. Yeah, I want to

598
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 8: do that, you know.

599
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's kind of a rare thing to

600
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: see two teammates wanting to fight each other. I guess

601
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: where does that come from?

602
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 9: And it's just it's just kind of like a friendly

603
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 9: competition type of thing.

604
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 8: Fri No, that's like a not like just friendly. You

605
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 8: know which one is a strong gest you know which

606
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 8: one is the best in the water in fry way.

607
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 8: You know, so in the training it's like a little

608
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 8: bit fake, you know. That's why I want to show

609
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 8: everybody who's the best.

610
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: What is he?

611
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 10: What?

612
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: What is hor Gucci's path to a title shot?

613
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: By the way he says, you know, by the way

614
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: that it shows me that he's hang out with a

615
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: lot of Brazilian guys, because a lot of the Brazilian

616
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: guys like that, you know. At the end of the eds.

617
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Barbosa particularly ends out to me. But I don't understand

618
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: why he would want to fight Pantosa now, Like I

619
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: think that you wait for Pantoja to get the belt back.

620
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: I think that might be what he's kind of alluding to,

621
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: is like, if Pantoja's the champion again, I really want

622
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: to challenge him and test myself. You know. The thing

623
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: that kind of disappointed me was Alex Bhunan reported this

624
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: week that Horror Gucci was offered the fight with Moreno

625
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: in Mexico City and said he wanted to fight Albozi

626
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: first and then turned it around against Moreno, and then

627
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: they just ended up booking Reino against Lonnie Kavanaugh. But

628
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: horror Gucci versus Moreno, that would have been an amazing

629
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: fight like that was what I was hoping would happen

630
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: when Almabaya pulled out. Was I was hoping they would

631
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: pull Hora Gucci from this fight and have him fight Moreno.

632
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: But I guess corrag Gucci, you know it's fight week

633
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: for him already. Do you want to pull out, starting

634
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: another camp and then fight Moreno in a month and

635
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: a half. So you know, I'm a little bit disappointed

636
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: that we're not going to see that. But I think

637
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: that it is kind of interesting that he's still talking

638
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: about Pantojo when Pentojo is recovering. It isn't the champion

639
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: right now.

640
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: He seems an eager beaver for that particular matchup. From

641
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: guessing things have happened in training where he feels like

642
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: he's confident about his edge or you know, whatever this

643
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: might mean. I don't know very quickly on that. Were

644
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: you surprised, I'm not, I want to be clear, I'm not.

645
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Were you surprised Charles Johnson didn't get the call up

646
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Speaker 1: instead of Loaner or Lonnie Cavanaugh versus Brandon Marino at

647
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: the Mexico main event later this month.

648
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: Well, so apparently he did get the call and doctors

649
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't clear him, right if I'm not mistaken. So, but

650
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: then he also was booked for a fight like two

651
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: weeks later or something like March fourteen.

652
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Mid March, the fourteenth of March double.

653
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: And the Marino February twenty eighth. I think I said

654
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: a month and a half. Its actually in like three weeks,

655
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: but I keep getting confused with March twenty eighth, which

656
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: I think is Seattle. But yeah, I think that it's

657
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: not that much of a surprise. I think Lonnie Kavanaugh

658
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: is just as surprising as Charles Johnson not getting it

659
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: because I know Charles Johnson just beat Lonnie Cavanaugh. But

660
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: at the same time, Charles Johnson like just got knocked

661
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: out in like two weeks ago, so I understand them

662
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: not putting him against Moreno that quickly. At the same time,

663
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: Lonnie Kavan was coming off a loss, and while he

664
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: is I think a big prospect, you know, I don't

665
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: really understand why him coming off for the loss against

666
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 2: Mareno and there's a lot of other flyweights out there

667
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: right now was the one that makes sense. Maybe they

668
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: just went down the list and that's what they came

669
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: up with. But I was a bit surprised that he

670
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: ended up getting the call for that one.

671
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, I mean, I'm sure that they did ask

672
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: around again they im my understanding if they did ask

673
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Corragucci as indicated and it just wasn't possible or it

674
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, and Charles Johnson was just medically ineligible.

675
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Speaker 1: And so from there you're kind of playing with a

676
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Speaker 1: different a different set of cards. Long Island. Luke the

677
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Speaker 1: odds here Horr Gucci minus won thirty five Albosi plus

678
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: two seventy five, any realistic path or any good betting

679
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: around Elbozi?

680
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, just real quick, you said the wrong odds for

681
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: Horr Gucci's minus three forty five.

682
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: I think I say, oh, sorry, minus three forty five.

683
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: I apologies.

684
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 5: I kind of like, like an Albasi spread, bet you

685
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 5: could get it with US three and a half right

686
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 5: now at minus won ten, Like there's a world you know,

687
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 5: Horrgucci wins twenty nine to twenty eight unanimous.

688
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: You cover that spread, or.

689
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Maybe you know you don't like him straight up.

690
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 5: No, I don't like him straight up every reason, Aaron said,

691
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: I feel like Horragucci does have the path everywhere. I

692
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: took the over two and a half in a parlay.

693
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: I think, regardless, this goes the distance. But yeah, my

694
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: best bet for al Basi would be a spread bet

695
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: in the end.

696
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: It's a pretty simple equation, Aaron like, I just think,

697
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: if you're all Basi, it's got to be the takedown

698
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: or the grappling, which he might get some off I

699
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't deny him that it's that it's possible, but you

700
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: got to get enough of it over the course of

701
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to have that be the only dominant offense

702
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: that was available. And I just think possible. Sure, it

703
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: seems unlikely.

704
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Winning with control these days has not been a great

705
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: path to victory, given that the criteria has been modified

706
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: to really pin down exactly what judges are looking for.

707
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: And I think the judges, I think have done a

708
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 2: really good job in the like since since that modification

709
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: has been made to the criteria, I think the judges

710
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: have come under a lot less fire than the referees

711
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: in recent months. So I think that they've done a

712
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: lot of good by adding that clarification to the scoring criteria.

713
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: Do you.

714
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Where are you on the argument that they're getting rid

715
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: of grappling in MMA.

716
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't think they're getting rid of grappling. I just

717
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: think that they're scoring it better. I think that they're

718
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: understanding what effective grappling is and what effective grappling is not.

719
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's much of a case of

720
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: them getting saying they're getting rid of it. I just

721
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: think that they're making it a less viable path of

722
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: victory for people to stall their way to wins, and

723
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: I think that's a good thing for them made moving.

724
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: Down this card, Aaron I would not call Jyleton al

725
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: Meda versus risvon Kuniev a crossroads fight. I don't think

726
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: that's right. However, on the other hand, they are both

727
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: coming off of losses, and so someone's trying to get

728
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: right here. What does a win or a loss mean

729
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: in either direction? Do they really believe in Kuniev? Are

730
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: trying to rehabilitate al made it into some kind of

731
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: title contender's what's really on the line here?

732
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: On the line is a fight with another top fifteen

733
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: heavyweight regardless of who wins or loses. That's it. That's

734
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: the whole show on the line, right I mean Almeida

735
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: lost the Volkov. I mean, he can work his way

736
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 2: back up towards the top. But you know, Kunyev has

737
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: a ranking on the line for himself. But what's a

738
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: ranking gonna do. It's gonna what score him a fight

739
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: with Wildow Corteza Costa. And if Jelton Almato wins, what's

740
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: it gonna do score a fight against Wildough Cortes Acosta.

741
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of where we're at right now.

742
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: It's there are just not a whole lot of heavyweights

743
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: to choose from, So if you win, you're just gonna

744
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: end up fighting another tough heavyweight. And right now, a

745
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: tough heavyweight isn't that tough of a heavyweight if you

746
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: look at how this division looks compared to how it's

747
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: looked historically. So I don't know. I think that for Almeida,

748
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: he needs to take this opportunity to not do what

749
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: he did against Volkov. What we just talked about prior

750
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: to this conversation about grappling and strictly using grappling as

751
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: a way of controlling Kuoniev. He's gonna have to look

752
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: for submissions and be more aggressive like he was when

753
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: he first started at heavyweight. I think that that's why

754
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: he was such an exciting heavyweight for a time, and

755
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: I think that he is, for whatever reason, become a

756
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: little bit more risk averse. Maybe it's because you are

757
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: fighting at heavyweight and you know these guys are heavy hitters,

758
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: but and he doesn't want to give up positions. But

759
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: I think that his best case scenario is to find

760
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: a submission early on Kooneev and show that you're still

761
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: able to wrestle against anybody in the division. He took

762
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: down Blades numerous times but was unable to find the finish.

763
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: It took down Derek Lewis and stayed on top of

764
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: him for five rounds of just total like a totally

765
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: boring heavyweight fight with Derek Lewis, which we haven't seen

766
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: that many of over the years. There's the Francis fight

767
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: and maybe that one. So I just think that Almeida

768
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: needs to seize this opportunity to make himself a viable

769
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: challenger again. And I think that's really what's that stake

770
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: for him, is if he can find to finish. The

771
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: fight with Bolkov was so close. He can s else

772
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: hang around at the top of this division. And for

773
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Kuniev a win over I thought that he potentially beat

774
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: Curtis Blades in that last fight. I thought that was

775
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: a really close fight. So Blades has a win over Volkov.

776
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: If Kunev gets a win, I think that he starts

777
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: to find his way into the conversation of the heavyweight

778
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: challengers down the line.

779
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: Blades took down Kuniev twice and defeated him. Blades got

780
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: taken down nine times by Jelton Almeida and still defeated him.

781
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: In like one round. He got taken down, I think

782
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: by Almeida.

783
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: What what can we infer from these data points?

784
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: Not a whole lot really. I think that, you know,

785
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: people always expect Curtis Blades is going to come out

786
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: and wrestle, wrestle wrestle, but he's never been a volume wrestler.

787
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess at some points he was.

788
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: He has in desperation at a tall yeah yeah, like

789
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: the Volkov fight, yeah yeah.

790
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: But he's worked a lot more on his striking. I

791
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: think he's used his striking a lot more in recent fights.

792
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: Whereas Almida is like strictly takedown dependent, like he doesn't

793
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: want to stand with Kuniev or anybody in the heavyweight division.

794
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: He wan to take them down as quickly as possible

795
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: and make their life miserable. But he's also making the

796
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: fans lives miserable if he's not getting finishes and just

797
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: using control. So I think he needs to start working

798
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: on prioritizing the submission like he did early on in

799
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: his Headywaight tenure.

800
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: All right, give me another fight on this card that

801
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: is worth paying attention to, what has caught your eye

802
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: and tell me why you know.

803
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: Whenever you have these fights the APEX with a small cage,

804
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm always intrigued by the smaller weight classes because I

805
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: think it makes for better fights. So I love the

806
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Jian Matsumoto against Farred Basharat fight. I think that's a

807
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: solid fight that's gonna be really exciting, and really early

808
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: on in the night, you've got Yaka Wicklow, who's coming

809
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: off of a win over Patchy Mix and is now

810
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: the second fight on the card against Mouion Gaffrov. For

811
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: whatever reason, I think that's a great fight, and David

812
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: Basharat got a new opponent in Gianni Vasquez, who I've

813
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: heard is a great prospect. So I'm excited for those

814
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: three fights in particular, just because I think that bantamweight

815
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: fights at the Apex give me WEC vibes, So I

816
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: always love watching those kind of fights.

817
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: I would also say, I mean, you took the kind

818
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: of words out of my mouth. Both Bascherot brothers are competing.

819
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: That's always going to be worth a moment to watch.

820
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is the nikolaive Era

821
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Tennekov and Nico Price fight. Seems like the donk factor

822
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: might be high in the one. I don't know, you

823
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

824
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: Definitely two of the biggest donks in the USC right now,

825
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: absolutely in terms of how they fight and how they act.

826
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, the dunk quot is high in that one.

827
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: Long island are is the is the bloom off the

828
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: Rose for Wang Tong against Eduardo Mora?

829
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: What was that analogy? Is the bloom off the Rose?

830
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, like, are people over her because she lost?

831
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 4: No? No, because she's bounced back with what two straight?

832
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: Three straight? After that?

833
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: I think too straight? But I think but I think

834
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: it was all decisions too.

835
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say the hype has died down

836
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 5: ever since she knocked out Victoria Leonardo or whatever. But

837
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: I think we bought into that too much, thinking she's

838
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 5: some big power punch. I think she's still a prospect

839
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: that I think she's in her thirties, but you know,

840
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 5: prospect loosely title contender. We'll say at flyweight if she

841
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 5: can just bounce into the rankings. Edwater Moore I don't

842
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 5: think is ranked though, right or no?

843
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

844
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: So I mean whatever it's or whatever fight. I want

845
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: to talk about this Dustin Jacoby Julius Walker fight.

846
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: All Right.

847
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 5: I was saying last week, why the hell is Dustin

848
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: Jacoby in Australia. He's got a fight next week. He

849
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: actually explained it earlier. Let's watch this quick.

850
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, So you know, I was in Sydney, Australia. I

851
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 9: was traveling on my way en route to fight Jimmy

852
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 9: Crue UFC three twenty five. Got the call shortly before

853
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 9: boarding a plane that crew had got injured. I had

854
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 9: a teammate on the card, Cody Brundage, that I was

855
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 9: still going to go out in corner and I was

856
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 9: still hoping to have an opponent for the card. Unfortunately,

857
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 9: they couldn't find anybody a couple of days into being there.

858
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 9: So a couple of weeks ago, they're like, well, how

859
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 9: about Julius Walker February seventh. I'm like, you know, that's

860
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 9: perfect for me. Julius and I had trained together for

861
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 9: a little bit, came out to Factory x SO, and

862
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 9: we had the same management team. So I actually and

863
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 9: I've been a big fan of his. I've been I've

864
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 9: in communication with him since training with him, and I

865
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 9: actually reached out to him on Instagram. I was like,

866
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 9: hey man, I saw your opponent fell off. Jason just

867
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 9: reached out to me about a matchup with you. You know,

868
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 9: I'm ready to go. I just don't want to be disrespectful,

869
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 9: you know. And he'd come back and say, hey man,

870
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 9: we're both professional, we're both competitors and being honored to

871
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 9: share the octagon with you. I'm like, all right, cool man,

872
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 9: we'll see where this goes. So right then and there,

873
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 9: I was like, without hesitation, I accepted so little.

874
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: You know, he explained why he was in Australia, but

875
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: at the same time, I still think, like, why a

876
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: week before your fight, why are you traveling across the country,

877
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: jet lagged and all acclimating to the time over there.

878
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: They were there for days. You know, it wasn't just

879
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: like a quick trip here. I don't like a man.

880
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: I like Julius Walker as a dog. Here's plus one

881
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 5: fifty right now on DraftKings. I also like this one

882
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: to go along. They both said they trained together before.

883
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 5: I think there could be some familiarity. Maybe we just

884
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: you know, stretched this one out. Close decision, Julius Walker.

885
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: It's a fifteen hour or fourteen hour flight from LA

886
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: to Sydney.

887
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean at thirty seven years old, which

888
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: is how old Jacoby is, like the jetlight cannot be

889
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: easy to bounce back from with. It's like what I guys,

890
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: a twelve or fourteen hour time difference between there in Vegas,

891
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: something along those lines. But I mean more, I mean,

892
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's a tall order. That being said,

893
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, like Luke just said, you have two guys

894
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: that have a lot of familiarity with each other. I

895
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: think that this could end up being kind of a

896
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: technical kickboxing fight, which would I think play a little

897
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: bit more into the hands of Dustin Jacoby. So I'm

898
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: curious to see how how it goes. I think that

899
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: Walker's got a lot of athleticism, a very creative fighter,

900
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: but dust Jacoby is just such a tough puzzle to

901
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: solve for a lot of these guys that don't have

902
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: a lot of experience in terms of fight experience in

903
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: this division. So I think it's going to be really

904
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: interesting to see how he fights against the guy that's

905
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: just as technically sound as Jacoby. But the jet like

906
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: they should certainly should be taking into consideration, and I

907
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: think that if this fight was booked with more lead time,

908
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: Jacoby would probably be more of a minus two to

909
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: fifty favorite. But because it's kind of a short note

910
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: assignment for him with the jet lag, I think money's

911
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: starting to come in the other way.

912
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: These guys love risk, I mean, that's why they do

913
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: what they do. I just don't know if it's inadvisable.

914
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out tomorrow night. That texs us

915
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Now to topic two, which is the other event. Well,

916
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: there's actually several events this weekend. In fact, I think

917
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: one has an event either today or tomorrow, so there's

918
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: actually a few events happening. But the other event of note,

919
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: perhaps will put it that way, is the worst going

920
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: to be PFL. PFL returns with their Dubai card. This

921
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: is going to be headlined by Uspin Nurmaka Madov taking

922
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: on Alfi Davis. It should be noted though, this is

923
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: part of kind of like a new fangled PFL. Namely,

924
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: it's a five fight main card. It starts at noon,

925
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the main card, and it should be on it. Look

926
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: at the card here. You obviously have Nimerka Madov defending

927
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: his PFL lightweight title, but you have kurrent Mega Madoff

928
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: against Musayav we'll talk about this. That's going to be

929
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: for the vacant welterweight title. So they're trying to like,

930
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, build in and build out I should say,

931
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: the standard kind of fight promotion architecture, and then they've

932
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: got some really interesting fights all the way down the

933
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: Lazy King taking on Kinley, Saint Louis obviously, Hayesu's Pinedo,

934
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: and all the way down the line. We'll talk about

935
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: those fights here in just a minute. Let's open up

936
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: the conversation though with something a little bit different. This

937
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: is basically the first standout event that they have this year.

938
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: First event I think that they have this year that

939
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: folks are paying attention to. They've got arguably their biggest

940
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: name on it with Uspin Nurmaga madeoff to what extent

941
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: do you think, Aaron, does this event need to be

942
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: a home run or proof of concept? Look, what would

943
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: you say defines whether or not, Like they'll look back

944
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: on this event and say this was a good event

945
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: for us.

946
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what constitutes as a home run

947
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: for the PFL at this stage. And I think that

948
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be a success regardless because I think

949
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: they're getting a probably a nice sight fee from Dubai

950
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: to hold this event. That being said, when you watch

951
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: a PFL event in Dubai versus a PFL event in France,

952
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: it feels like two completely different events. Like the vibe

953
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: is so much crazier when they do events in like

954
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: Ireland and France and these these markets they've really done

955
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: a good job of galvanizing and servicing where the UFC

956
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: haven't quite as much or you know markets that are

957
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: really hungry for MMA, and I don't think Dubai is

958
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: one of those markets. I think Dubai is just a

959
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: market where they're like, we'll give you some money to

960
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: do an event here, and you know, Bob's your uncle.

961
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what they're doing right here.

962
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: So I'm not exactly sure what would constitute this event

963
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: being a home run right now. I think the PFL

964
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: this is the first event of their post Don Davis, Uh,

965
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Peter Peter Murphy? Was it Peter Bowhouse? This is Peter

966
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: Peter Murray. Peter Murphy's the v lad Secret Bowhouse. You know,

967
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: shout out to all the goths out there. But I

968
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: think that in this situation that they're in a bit

969
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: of an identity crisis because they're getting rid of the

970
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: tournament format at least for their American or main brand,

971
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: and they're basically becoming Bellatore Light, which I just don't

972
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: understand what the end game is for them here when

973
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: they're doing that, because that's what this looks like to me,

974
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: is like, this looks kind of like a Bellator card

975
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's it's got a lot of

976
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: great name value, and you remember how much talent the

977
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: PFL actually has in the roster when you look at

978
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: a card like this, Because I think the Denise Kielholt

979
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: was also supposed to by Ditschva on this card, and

980
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: she's in the undercard. But you know, you've got a

981
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: guy like Taylor Lapolis, who is big in France and

982
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: is somebody that you know, former UFC fight who I

983
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: think is extremely talented. You know, Carl Williams, a former

984
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: UFC fighter, Rob Wilkinson who's a tournament winner, if I'm

985
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: not mistaken of theirs. Still got like a lot of

986
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: good talent up and down this card, but really it's

987
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: starting to feel to me like, you know, if a

988
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear,

989
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't make a sound that you know. I listened

990
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: to the Severe and May podcast with Sean she And and

991
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: Sean said that last year he felt that PFL actually

992
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: had the more exciting fights between them and the UFC's

993
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: how many people were watching them, you know, and you

994
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: have to give them credit for good matchmaking and for

995
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: having a solid roster. But I just feel like not

996
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: enough people are paying attention to the PFL, or have

997
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: continue to pay attention to the PFL. And I also

998
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: mentioned off the top, I don't even know where to

999
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: watch this event, and you know, in the US, it's

1000
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: like pretty heavily paywalled on ESPN Unlimited as well, So

1001
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: they're really making it difficult for you to follow the PFL,

1002
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: which I think is the opposite of what they should

1003
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: be doing.

1004
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that is they've cleaned up the format,

1005
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: they've cleaned up the kind of concept, and they've streamlined

1006
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: it and narrowed it in the right way, and I

1007
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: think that's definitely a big plus. But they've still got

1008
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: these lingering issues, which is, where is PFL Europe? How

1009
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: do I watch it? Where is this PFL Dubai card

1010
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's in DUBIB, but I'm saying, how

1011
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: do we watch it? Is this a consistent way to

1012
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: watch it? Is it just a way to watch it

1013
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: this time? Ironing out some of these things streamlining in

1014
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: that particular sense, I think it's still a challenge. From

1015
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: my vantage point, very quickly on this like would constitute success.

1016
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I think you can't expect this event, and that's not

1017
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: even being held in the US, to be some kind

1018
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: of giant impact maker in the US. It's just not

1019
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 1: going to be that way. However, if they can get

1020
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: exciting fights, and if they can get there, whoever ends

1021
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: up being champion on Saturday, to have a kind of

1022
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: like an elevated performance, something to build off of, build momentum,

1023
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: began to build a reputation for like, Wow, this is

1024
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: a much more improved product. I think that's probably best

1025
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: case scenario, to be perfectly honest with you. So let's

1026
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: actually talk about the main event. So Usmin Nimbergamydov last

1027
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I checked along on Luke and I don't know if

1028
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: you have the updated odds, but like I looked yesterday

1029
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: and he was something like a minus eighteen hundred favorite,

1030
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: like a gigantic favorite over Alfie Davis in the main event.

1031
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 5: He's even bigger now, Luke, he's minus eighteen fifty Alfie

1032
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: Davis plus nine hundred.

1033
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean erin it's a tall order for Alfie Davis.

1034
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: What realistically can he do to win? And let me

1035
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: ask this, would it be really bad for PFL if

1036
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: he won, because you'd have a Nimberga made all lose

1037
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: Or would it be really good because this would be

1038
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: something of a star making performance for a guy.

1039
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think it would be bad at lose this

1040
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: for them. I mean, he's got the nermaga might have name.

1041
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: He's a star, he's undefeated, like he's gone. He checks

1042
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: all the boxes of what you would want to have

1043
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: on your roster. That being said, Alfie Davis is a

1044
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: tricky stylistic matchup for just about everybody because of his stance,

1045
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: because of his unique striking, his diverse striking. That's always

1046
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: going to be something you have to keep your eye

1047
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: on because when you look at like the Wonder Boys

1048
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: of the World and fighters like that, they've been able

1049
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: to get victories just because their opponents can't figure them out.

1050
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: Now Uzman will have five rounds to figure Alfie Davis out.

1051
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: But I thought that when you watched the last year's

1052
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: tournament that Alfhi, you know, it was really kind of

1053
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: a breakthrough fighter for the UFC, sorry for the PFL,

1054
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: I should say, because he was able to really confuse

1055
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: his opponents and do a lot of dynamic things that

1056
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: they were not accustomed to. So if Usman is not

1057
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: taking him seriously, which you know, I'd be surprised if

1058
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: that's the case, because Kuveeb seems to work everybody just

1059
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: as hard for every single fight, regardless of who they

1060
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: are and who they're fighting. I think that Alfi can

1061
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: can actually pose problems for Uzman and Naga Madeov because

1062
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: he's such a tricky puzzle to solve.

1063
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: He had a bit of a backstep when he lost

1064
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: to Men's or barnow He who is still of the

1065
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: guy who's patented the giggler sweep in mma, the knee lever.

1066
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: But then he had an amazing twenty twenty five. He

1067
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: stopped Clay Collared in round one, he beat Brent Premis,

1068
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: and then he this was the one I was very

1069
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: surprised by. He he beat by decision Gadzi Rabotanov. I

1070
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: did not see that coming. That was actually pretty impressive.

1071
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: That being said, as I indicated Aaron, He's lost to

1072
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Mensor Barnowi and then Alexander Shabli, and it's like those

1073
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: are not bad fighters by any stretch of the imagination,

1074
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: but they are a step down from Usman. Usman's ability

1075
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: to just play the levels here. He can strike on

1076
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: the feet if he needs to. He's a better athlete

1077
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: than I think Alfie is. And of course if he

1078
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: needs to go to the control, he can do it.

1079
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I will say one thing that I'm hoping to see

1080
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: from number Gamdov here is you know he to meet

1081
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: him and Umar are very very talented and can beat,

1082
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: if not every guide, just about every guy in their

1083
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: respective divisions. But they are a clear step down from

1084
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: Habib and Islam. To me, they don't have a great

1085
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: capacity to do damage. They have a great capacity to score,

1086
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: and they have a great capacity to control, and they

1087
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: have a great capacity to kind of maintain that, but

1088
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: they don't have a great capacity to really advance an

1089
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: attack towards the fight ending scenarios very regularly. I'm not

1090
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: sure that's gonna give Alfie Davis a lot of life,

1091
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: but it would be good for Number Gamaidov if you've

1092
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: got an opponent, at least in theory, is this overmatched

1093
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: that someone as capable as Number Gamadov can finally kind

1094
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: of I'm not gonna say get over the hump exactly,

1095
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: but you know, show some advancement in this finishing ability.

1096
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: This would be a good candidate. Would it not to

1097
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: have that kind of a thing showcased. I'd like to

1098
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: see some evidence of it.

1099
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's gonna be a situation where

1100
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna get annoyed with Alfie Davis eventually just go

1101
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: to his wrestling take him down and submit him. I

1102
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: think that's probably the most likely way this fight goes.

1103
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: But you know, when you ask me about how Alfie

1104
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Davis can win this fight, I still think that you

1105
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: look at how confusing his game can be for people

1106
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: to figure out. I think that's really his best path

1107
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: is to try to confuse and flummox Uzman and make

1108
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: it kind of a you know, touch and go fight.

1109
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: Get in, get out, you know, hit him with some strikes,

1110
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: you know, make sure that he doesn't allow who's about

1111
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: to close the distance. But at the same time, I

1112
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: think that if human can get just one takedown, that

1113
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: his prowess on the ground could be enough for him

1114
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: to beat Alfie Davis in just about any round.

1115
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: One thing that is tilting to me about Usman is

1116
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: how overconfident he is constantly. I mean, he's very very good,

1117
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: but to me, he takes it a little bit too far.

1118
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Here he is saying, Alfie Davis has zero chance.

1119
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 7: Everybody who can go with you, like who come to

1120
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 7: the cage and stand against you.

1121
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: You think everybody has.

1122
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 7: Chanced to win. But how I see this fight, zero

1123
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 7: zero chance.

1124
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: To bit.

1125
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: Everyone has the chance, accept you Alfie Davis.

1126
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, mathematically, every other person would have a chance

1127
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: or not.

1128
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 2: You Yeah, just Alfie's out.

1129
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I will be I will say this, there's two fights left,

1130
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: this being one of them left. On the Deal of

1131
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: Nika Madeof. Dan Hardy described the need for PFL to

1132
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: re sign Uspa Nimerga Madov as basically I'm paraphrasing, but

1133
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: basically existential.

1134
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: Do you agree, No, not really. I think that, you know,

1135
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: I think that you still need to have your big

1136
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: stars and you need to give people a reason to

1137
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: tune in. But I think that for them it's going

1138
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: to be a really strategic year because I think what

1139
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: John Martin's done so far. You know, if you look

1140
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: at recent news, they got to deal with MEGU in Japan,

1141
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: which is the same rights holder as the UFC. They

1142
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: got to deal with of Mceespora in France, which is

1143
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: the UFC's rights holder as well. They're getting good, big

1144
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: broadcast deals and that's where their money's gonna come from

1145
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: to sign guys like us madev And I think John

1146
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: Martin's the right guy for that job in terms of

1147
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: getting in the in the right boardrooms and trying to

1148
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: sell the PFL. And if the PFL can have big

1149
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: events and can have big moments this year. I think

1150
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: it's going to give him more capacity to sell the

1151
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: rights to the to the PFL because there aren't a

1152
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: lot of rights coming up in coming years. But it

1153
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: does seem like the rights market has shrunk a little

1154
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: bit from what it was about five years ago. Uh

1155
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: you know that being said, I think that you look

1156
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: at where the pfl's at right now. If they lose

1157
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: Mago Madov, is it existential. I don't know if it's existential.

1158
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: I think they can continue to do what they're doing well,

1159
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: which is cornering under service markets. You look at France

1160
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: I think is a big example for them. Those those

1161
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: fight cards they do that are always amazing and electric.

1162
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 2: H I think I'm going to Pittsburgh as a that's

1163
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: a perfect city to look at in the US. It's

1164
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: an underservice market. Look for cities that the UFC have

1165
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: not been to in a long time, and try to

1166
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: capitalize on people who just want to see good MMA

1167
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: in person. I think that's a smart move for them.

1168
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: I think smaller venues would be a good mood for

1169
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: them because they always seem louder if they're more full

1170
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: four or five thousand person venues, and I think that

1171
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: in Ireland they've really done a great job of cornering

1172
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: that market, because their arena is not big enough to

1173
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: host the UFC event anymore. I think it only holds

1174
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: eleven to twelve thousand people, and I think that if

1175
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: they continue to do events there, the crowd's only going

1176
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: to get better and better because they're so hungry for

1177
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: live mixed martial arts. So I think that if they

1178
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: can continue to find these untapped markets, I think that's

1179
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: really their best path because then you can capitalize not

1180
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: just with TV deals but also at the box office.

1181
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: And also it makes your shows feel bigger if the

1182
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: fans are really into it.

1183
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I hope that they can. I hope

1184
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: that this skier could be one of the better years

1185
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: and more memorable years in that organization's history. Let's move

1186
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: to the Comin event, which I've said this whole time

1187
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: is arguably the best fight all weekend. I'm not declaring

1188
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: that it is, but if I would put the top

1189
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: three fights, at least on paper, of the best fights

1190
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: this weekend, this would absolutely be on it. It's for

1191
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: the vacant welterweight championship between Ramazan Kora Meghamaidov, who is

1192
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: undefeated at thirteen and zero versus the basically undefeated Shamil

1193
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: Mussaiev who is twenty and oh this one absolutely bangs.

1194
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: Kora Megamadoff enters this fight having won in his last

1195
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: three Djalil Willis, Buddy Wallace and then he beat Jason

1196
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Jackson in a five rounder. That one got a little

1197
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: bit hairy, but it was pretty good. Shamil Mussaiev looks

1198
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: like an absolute destroyer of men. He enters this contest

1199
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: with two back to back wins over mored Ramazanov, and

1200
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: then finally he got a stoppage win in the third

1201
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: round in a great fight where he just looked amazing

1202
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: against Megamed uma Latov. I love this contest. I will

1203
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: tell you what erin. I know there's a lot of

1204
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: promotions who are like, well, how many Russians do we

1205
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: really want to sign? How many names? Blah blah blah

1206
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: and listen, every organization is going to have a different

1207
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: answer for themselves. But for PFL, who's going to be

1208
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: putting a premium on how many really great fighters we

1209
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: can get? I don't know what kind of a How

1210
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: do I say this, I don't know what kind of

1211
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: a you know, impact having these kinds of names that

1212
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: are a little bit harder to pronounce with the average

1213
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: American will do for them by having them on their card.

1214
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: What I can say is there's no denying the quality

1215
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: of this What is your sense of this matchup? And

1216
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you favor Mussaiev, but size them both up.

1217
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, two undefeated fighters. Musaiah is such a

1218
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: dynamic fighter, but they bent them last year, like he

1219
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: didn't fight at all last year. Why you have this

1220
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: guy on your roster that I don't understand unless he

1221
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: was injured or something along those lines. But to me,

1222
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: I think that this is a really exciting fight if

1223
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: you look at it from like an ex's a no

1224
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: standpoint becauseo Madov is a guy that doesn't make a

1225
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: lot of mistakes. He's a solid, diverse fighter. He's also

1226
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: a very patient fighter, whereas Musiah likes to bring the

1227
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: fight to his opponents. I do favor Musaiah here. I

1228
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: do think that the line is a little bit long

1229
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: on this one because I think Uraga Madov is a solid,

1230
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: well rounded fighter who doesn't have a whole lot of deficiencies.

1231
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: He's not the most exciting fighter, and I think that's

1232
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: something that could slow Musia down, is Musaiah because he

1233
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: prioritizes making the fight exciting. If Kuramaga Madov can slow

1234
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: the tempo of this fight down and make it more

1235
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: of a one for one fight, I think that that's

1236
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll play into his into his hand for

1237
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: this one. But yeah, this is a really solid fight

1238
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: on paper between two really high level guys, and I'm

1239
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, I'm excited to see how it plays out

1240
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: because I think both guys have a really right future.

1241
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Musaia, I agree with you. In general, being sidelined

1242
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: for the year not great. But what I would say

1243
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: is as good as I think Kuramega Madov is, and

1244
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: he is good. He faded a little bit, not not completely,

1245
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: but he faded a little bit down the stretch in

1246
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: that Jason Jackson fight, and of course Jason Jackson being

1247
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's still lost, but being a savvy veteran

1248
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of shows you what a what a more experienced

1249
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: fighter might be able to do. Musia technically is more experienced,

1250
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: certainly than Kuramega Madoff and the other part too, was

1251
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: as good as Kurta Megamadev is. I'm not sure what

1252
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: part of the game he's better than Musaiev. He's got

1253
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: some different strengths, maybe some of the grappling. You could

1254
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: argue certain positions anyway, But even then, I just feel

1255
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: like Mussaiev is like for as good as Kurta Megamadev is,

1256
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: Musaiah is like just a notch higher on a bunch

1257
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: of different considerations you could consider in that matchup. Nevertheless,

1258
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: one's been more active than the other one. Again, two

1259
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: undefeated fighters that that one absolutely bangs, which brings us

1260
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: now to any other fight on this card, Aaron, that

1261
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: I'd like you to point out for me. The Hazus

1262
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Panato and salamati Is Bulaya fight is absolutely fantastic, and

1263
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Number one. Salomat Is BULAIV making

1264
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: his PFL debut but undefeated at nine to zero and

1265
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: has looked like an absolute hammer on the regional scene.

1266
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Whereas Hayesus Panato twenty nine years of age. I'm sure

1267
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: he's coming off of a lost to Mobilt Hablayev. However,

1268
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: he had a hell of a run, beating Brendan Lockdin,

1269
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: Bubba Jenkins, Gabriel Braga twice and then Adam Borich again,

1270
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: losing to Hobblia in twenty twenty five. But otherwise he

1271
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: has proven to be an all action fighter in your face,

1272
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: is not afraid of anyone. Love it and we got

1273
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: this one as a pick em minus one zh eight

1274
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: four Pinato minus one twelve for Isbeulaif do you share

1275
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: my enthusiasm for this beut or do you have your

1276
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: eye on another one?

1277
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: No?

1278
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: I love this fight. I think that anytime you put

1279
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: Pinato in there against an exciting fighter, you're gonna get

1280
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: an awesome fight. And I think that you look at

1281
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: his bliava when he's done in the Regonal scene, you know,

1282
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is gonna be a bridge

1283
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: too far for him. You know, he doesn't have quite

1284
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: as much experience as Panato, but Pinato has just been

1285
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: such a joy to watch, and I think his fight

1286
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: it's it says it's a loss on on topology, but

1287
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: I thought that was a no contest with Kiblieve if

1288
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I don't know what what?

1289
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: Oh, because you got a drug positive if.

1290
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I might be wrong on that, but

1291
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 2: either way, I think that that's a really exciting fight.

1292
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: I think the Pinato has always been a real pleasure

1293
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: to watch. The one that I want to see is

1294
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: the Lazy King. Whenever he fights, I'm watching unless my

1295
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: son has his belt test, as I mentioned, and I

1296
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: can't find it on any sort of badcast partner. But

1297
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: I would love to see the Lazy King fight Kenley

1298
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: Saint Louis. I think that's a really good fight. I'm

1299
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: surprised that the line isn't longer. Lazy King's about a

1300
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: minus two ninety eight I think it is. On DraftKings,

1301
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: it's like minus three hundred range. I thought he'd be

1302
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: a bigger favorite against ken Ley. But I'm excited to

1303
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: watch the Lazy King, and I think he's one of

1304
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 2: the better fighters on the PFL roster.

1305
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we missed him for all of twenty twenty five.

1306
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: That organization out of France aries. They produce a ton

1307
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: of good guys, and he was one of the top

1308
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: guys over there, pulling out wins in ways that you

1309
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: were very, very surprising at the time. He did take

1310
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: all of last year off it's good to see him

1311
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: back early this year. I hope we can get more

1312
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 1: out of him. That's definitely a fun one. I'd also

1313
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: add for folks, the guy who's opening the main card

1314
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: at heavyweight, Moni might be a decent prospect at heavyweight.

1315
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still too early to tell. He's only

1316
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: got five fights, you know, what can you really say?

1317
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: But he looks like he might be the goods. And

1318
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: as you indicated up and down this card, Taylor Lapalis

1319
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: is on this that needs kill hoses on this one,

1320
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: and beyond that, Rob Wilkinson is on this card as well.

1321
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: So there's a ton of fun stuff on this one,

1322
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: up and down. And of course, now I look at

1323
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen, you can see we're gonna

1324
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: start getting the UFC way in results as those start

1325
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: to pour in.

1326
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: On the topic of HERMANI, he had a really tough camp.

1327
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: Apparently his coach was killed in Iran, So yes, he's

1328
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: gonna be coming into this one with a heavy heart

1329
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: for sure.

1330
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, very very difficult circumstances, so something to pay

1331
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: attention to. He looks like he might be something interesting,

1332
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: but again, he's got a very difficult uphill battle tomorrow.

1333
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to topic number three, and this one I

1334
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: take no pleasure in having a conversation about, but I

1335
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: do think it's actually important to do, namely, the future

1336
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: of Shovkot Rockmanov. Here is a guy that I have

1337
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: pegged for a long long time, a long time as

1338
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: being somebody who you could say, at a bare minimum,

1339
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: will fight for a title if doesn't. If not, you

1340
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: could maybe just outright declaire and you know, obviously we'll

1341
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: have to see, but just just look like a championship

1342
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of fighter from a very very early stage. I mean,

1343
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: he has finished undefeated and has finished all of his

1344
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: opponents except for one, and he fought that one kind

1345
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: of injured and still managed to get the W against

1346
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: Ian Gary. But we have not seen him since. He

1347
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: missed all of twenty twenty five, and this week erin

1348
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: he was removed from the UFC rankings because he apparently

1349
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: Rea aggravated that injury and is now going to be

1350
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: out another nine or ten months. To date, he's been

1351
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: out about fourteen or fifteen, so at about another nine

1352
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: on top of it, Let's put up this quote from

1353
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: this I should say the statement rather from Shofcott and

1354
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll read it out here very quickly. A fighter's path

1355
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: has never been easy. Life doesn't give us challenges we

1356
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: can't overcome. Every dream comes at a price, and sometimes

1357
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: that price is your health. Today, I have to be honest.

1358
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: Due to ongoing injuries, I've had another surgery and will

1359
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: need time to fully recover. As a result, my return

1360
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: to the octagon will be postponed. It's not easy to accept,

1361
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: but I truly believe every setback is part of a

1362
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: bigger plan. I will come back stronger, smarter, and hungrier

1363
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: than ever. My goal is still alive. The UFC belt

1364
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: still has to come to Kazakhstan. Thank you to everyone

1365
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: who stands by me. No matter what. This is not

1366
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: the end of the journey. It's an important chapter of it. Aaron,

1367
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: how devastating is this for Shavkat Rochmanov's future?

1368
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: For his future? I mean that's a good question, because

1369
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: ultimately it's going to be about two years off, and

1370
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: we've seen fighters have two years off and be able

1371
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: to come back and return to form. But you know,

1372
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: he was peaking. He was still undefeated, right at the

1373
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: top of the food chain for the welterweight division. He

1374
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: was right there, and I mean, that's got to be

1375
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: devastating for him, knowing that he was in the driver's

1376
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: seat in terms of championship contention and now needs to

1377
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: take another, possibly another year off. It's just got to

1378
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: be heartbreaking for him, heartbreaking for his camp, and really

1379
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: not myself to say about that. I just is it

1380
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: going to hinder him when he comes back? That's the thing.

1381
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. But he does have so many intangibles,

1382
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: with how well rounded he is, how big he is

1383
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: for the division. I still think that he has the

1384
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: capacity to bounce back and return to form. I don't

1385
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: think that he's old enough that you could write him

1386
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: off at this point.

1387
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: I mostly agree, but I have I'm I think a

1388
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: little bit different, which is do I think?

1389
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 4: So?

1390
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: For example, folks have asked me, can you think of

1391
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: scenarios where in combat sports a guy took multiple years

1392
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: off and came back to be champion. Dominic Cruz would

1393
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: be the obvious one in UFC, right, So that's one,

1394
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: and you could also point to other fighters. So for example,

1395
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: fatallic Clitchko between four and eight comes back and fight

1396
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: Samuel Peters. When's the world title? Sugar Ray Leonard took

1397
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: time off from eighty two to eighty four and then

1398
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: eighty four to eighty seven for a detached retina in

1399
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: his left eye, and so he had three years off

1400
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: between eighty four and eighty seven, but then fights Hagler

1401
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: in eighty seven and defeats him, and so he was

1402
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: able to reacclaim a title. But like, here's the problem

1403
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: I think for Rochmanoff, which is that he is losing

1404
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: the years of his career from age thirty to thirty two.

1405
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: So the first problem I have Aaron is that it's

1406
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: smack in the middle of his prime, like like the

1407
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: heart of his prime. He's losing two years. Second of all,

1408
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: this is not a guy who fully matured into a

1409
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: championship level fighter, Like he got really really close to it,

1410
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: but it maybe could have won. But you know, I

1411
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: didn't achieve those kinds of heights early and is trying

1412
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: to bounce back to a level or standard he's developed

1413
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: before he just never hit it at all. So I

1414
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: still think he can be a champion. I wouldn't. I

1415
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: think ruling that out to me seems foolish. But I

1416
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: don't see how you can lose two years of your

1417
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: prime over a knee injury and then think that your

1418
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: career won't be noticeably different after the fact. I think

1419
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: that's where I come down.

1420
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's all fair. It's I guess

1421
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a wait and see approach, right,

1422
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: because we have to see what he's like when he returns,

1423
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: and if he's able, if his body even holds up

1424
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: after this too, Right, if you're that injury prone or

1425
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: you know, prone to having that injury recur like it has.

1426
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: If that is the case, we haven't be given too

1427
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: many details as to exactly what the injury is. I

1428
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: know it wasn't knee injury the first time around, and

1429
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the same knee or what

1430
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: the problem is, but it seems like a bevy of

1431
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: health problems. And when you are big, you know, for

1432
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: a division, and you cut a lot of weight, you

1433
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: could be more injury prone as well, because you're I

1434
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: guess your musculator is a little bit on the nimble

1435
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: side because of how little you weigh for somebody of

1436
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: that stature. So I don't know if that plays a

1437
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: factor or anything along those lines, But let's see how

1438
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: he looks when he comes back. It's hard to really

1439
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: say now, but your point about him being in his

1440
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: prime is certainly valid, especially not being able to train

1441
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: and improve during those years, because it seems like those

1442
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: are the peak welterweight years or between, like thirty one

1443
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: and thirty six to have your most success. Uh.

1444
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: Someone asked me this question, so I'm gonna ask it

1445
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: to you. If he comes back and he's ready to

1446
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: go January of twenty twenty seven, and let's just say,

1447
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm just positing a scenario, UFC says, you know what,

1448
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna give him a title shot. We're gonna go

1449
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: right to it.

1450
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: Who would it be against, well, I mean probably against Islam.

1451
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't see anybody right now beating Islam. I thought

1452
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: that Shavkat was the guy who was going to give

1453
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: Islam the toughest run. But if I had to guess,

1454
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: I would say Islam. If if he is still fighting

1455
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: at this time next year at welterweight, do.

1456
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: You think how how much how many more fights do

1457
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: you think Islam has left?

1458
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. He doesn't really talk much about retirement.

1459
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: He seems pretty happy to continue fighting. How old is

1460
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: he now? Thirty four something along those lines. Thirty four

1461
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: thirty four, Yeah, so probably I would guess at least

1462
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: four or five more fights.

1463
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: Let me double check that. How old is Islam Islam mock,

1464
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah he is thirty four. He'll be thirty five in October,

1465
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, thirty four. He's got a little bit of

1466
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: time left. I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see.

1467
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure in terms of the rest of the

1468
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: welterweight division, who does was in your mind? Is Rockmanov

1469
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: a bad matchup for everyone? Or like Ian Gary for example,

1470
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: has tried to say like, oh, I'm the one who

1471
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: sent him along this way, when in fact he was

1472
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: injured like heading into the bout. Is there a way

1473
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: to say which welterweight this benefits the most.

1474
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: Benefits all of them, they don't have to fight him.

1475
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: I think that you look at the top of the

1476
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: and I think probably Kamara Usman probably benefits from it

1477
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: because it's one less person for the UFC to consider

1478
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: for a title fight against Islam. That being said, like

1479
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: I really hope that you know, we after coming off

1480
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: last weekend when we saw Volkanovsky versus Diego Lopez and

1481
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: basically an immediate rematch for Volkanovski, And we've seen some

1482
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: of these older fighters get cracks of the titles that

1483
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: they really should not be getting and they end up

1484
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: looking like a total wasted title fight. I really hope

1485
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: that we get to see Mahachev against Gary or Michael Morales, Like,

1486
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: I really hope that's the next step. I just want

1487
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: to learn something from the title fight. And while Uzman

1488
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: is a good like marketable name, he's a legend of

1489
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: the division. I get it. I just want to see

1490
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: a competitive fight.

1491
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: Got into your head though, you think they do the

1492
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: Usbin fight? Yeah? Probably, Yeah that was the White House.

1493
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: Like, if you're giving the odds, I would say that

1494
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: he's probably the front runner and yeah maybe at the

1495
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: White House that I mean, if they want to stack

1496
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: that card up for sure. But that being said, like

1497
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 2: if we're looking at it from a paramoun plus standpoint,

1498
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's all about viewership and not about buys.

1499
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: So I think that you need to take that into

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: consideration when you're looking at you know, do they need

1501
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: to have something that's more marketable white Kamar Rouseman if

1502
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: that's what their perception is, or can you just have

1503
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: a great fight and people are gonna watch because if

1504
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: the numbers from the first event that came out are

1505
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: any indication, I feel like it's the brand that people

1506
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: are tuning in for rather than specific fighters.

1507
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see.

1508
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: I certainly can't hurt to have your number one pound

1509
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: for pound fighter in the world against a big name,

1510
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I think Gary or Morales

1511
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: are much more the Morales, which one of those is

1512
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: more interesting to you?

1513
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: Morales?

1514
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, I think is very good defensively, but I

1515
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing how he's gonna put sustained

1516
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: offense on Islam, whereas Morales is such a tank.

1517
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a hammer, and I mean he's also

1518
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: huge for the division. He's got a diverse arsenal, and

1519
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: I think his length could give Islam some problems. I

1520
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 2: don't think Islam's fought anybody like that that would be

1521
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: that big in his career. In fact, I'm fairly certain

1522
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: that he hasn't because if you look at one hundred

1523
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: and fifty five, there aren't really people with that kind

1524
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: of body archetype. So that's the mass that intrigues me

1525
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: the most. By far all right.

1526
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: With that in mind, let's start talking about the MMA

1527
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: hits and misses, some news and notes from around the sport.

1528
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: Here for topic number four, we start with Ilia Tuporia.

1529
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: His messy divorce has split. I don't really care about

1530
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: the details of it. It's not really interesting to me

1531
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: one way or the other. However, it is in this

1532
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: particular sense, narrowly, namely, that it has come to a close,

1533
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: at least it seems like it's come to a close.

1534
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: He and his I guess ex wife have come to

1535
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: some kind of an agreement, and he put out sort

1536
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: of a bunch of stuff on social media indicating you

1537
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: can see here he's going to go back to training.

1538
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: You can see he's already well, I mean, I guess

1539
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: he never really stopped, but he kind of indicated that

1540
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: he's unbridled now at this point to return. Should this

1541
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: bout Aaron Bronstand or should this vout against Justin Gaegee

1542
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: right the unification so to speak, of the UFC lightweight title.

1543
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: Should this headline the White House card, which, by the way,

1544
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 1: show this quote card we have here from Justin Gaegee

1545
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: on the Pat McAfee show. Put this one up. If

1546
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: we can this is what he said Eliot Tuporia on

1547
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: the white House card, it has to be no other option.

1548
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: I think will be the main event. But if Islam

1549
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: Makatschev is there, he'll be in the higher weight class,

1550
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: so they might do that one instead. Where does this

1551
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: one end up and why?

1552
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: Oh? It's a good question because I think you have

1553
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: to look at it from two lenses. One lens is

1554
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: do you want to build the biggest fight card possible

1555
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: with the biggest names, Like do you want a John

1556
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: Jones or a Connor McGregor on that fight card? Like

1557
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: is that a must that you want to have that

1558
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: sort of name value? Or do they want to just

1559
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: build the best possible card with the champions that they

1560
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: currently have and what they have to work with that

1561
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: are not kind of those hail mary's where you're looking

1562
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: at like a bringing back a kind of generational star

1563
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 2: to compete. And I think that if you were going

1564
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: to take a title fight right now and say one

1565
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: title fight is going to headline the white House card,

1566
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: this would probably be it. I think that you've got

1567
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: your American fighter and Justin Gasey, who has never had

1568
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: a boring fight, You've got Iliotoporia, who is the biggest

1569
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: rising star in the sport. I don't think there's a

1570
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: better showcase you could have right now at the top

1571
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: of the White House card than that. If you're choosing

1572
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: against strictly from the Championship fights.

1573
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: Long Island, they gonna put this one on the main

1574
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: event at the White House.

1575
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: I think.

1576
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 5: So there's no other like clear front runner besides like

1577
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 5: a John Jones fight, and we saw the news with

1578
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 5: him this week.

1579
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: That why not Islam versus Kumoru.

1580
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 4: That ain't White House? Ye, I don't know, but you're

1581
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 4: just saying that.

1582
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: Tell me what.

1583
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man. It's Kamaru born in Nigeria,

1584
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 4: right or was he born in America?

1585
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: He might have been born in Nigeria, all right, he.

1586
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 5: Grew up in America. But either way, he's kind of,

1587
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 5: you know, adopt Nigerian. And then you have Islam, who's

1588
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 5: you know, Russian, and they said no Russians on the

1589
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 5: White House car.

1590
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's true, but I just feel like, eh,

1591
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: I feel like the Ilia Justin fight is way more

1592
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 4: like the American can prevail, where like I don't know,

1593
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 4: Islam Uslan.

1594
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: The American is gonna get fucking stretched here.

1595
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he can, you know, like the usman one

1596
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 5: is like, oh, the Nigerian born guy raised in I

1597
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 5: don't know, it's.

1598
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: Like no, I mean, I get the angle because it's like, okay,

1599
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: you've got an American in the fight. It's for you

1600
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: title unification. And Justin Gage is arguably the most exciting

1601
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: fighter in MMA history, right, he's got a claim to that.

1602
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: And then if he wins, wow, tremendous, incredible story, the

1603
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. But if he loses, and he loses

1604
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: in the way that Taporio typically dispatches his victims, you're

1605
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: now blowing up a guy who's either number one pound

1606
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: for pound or number two pound for pound in the

1607
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: world and making him look even better. And by the way,

1608
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: also speaks English as well. You know, kind of just.

1609
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 5: Feel like the German Spaniard Georgian winning isn't as bad

1610
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 5: as the Russian winning, And like, I don't they said specifically,

1611
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 5: we don't want Russians on the card, Like I don't

1612
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 5: know if they care that the Georgian, Spaniard German wins.

1613
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, he.

1614
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: Said we don't want Russians on the card.

1615
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 5: Have you heard that Morob said it. You know, I

1616
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 5: take that man's word verbatim. I mean, you know, take

1617
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 5: that man's word to heart, you know.

1618
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, Long Island's finest, uh Toli's finest, but also

1619
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: Long Island's finest.

1620
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 4: Did you say Love Island at first or Long?

1621
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: I said, I thought Island. I don't know if he

1622
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: was on Love Island. I figured he would be a

1623
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: bad kill.

1624
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 5: I thought you were just a little foot slip there,

1625
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 5: maybe watching some Love Island.

1626
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't watch that bullshit? Are you kidding me?

1627
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: But you know my watch you guys ever heard of

1628
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: this show? You probably have never heard of this show.

1629
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: Have you heard of La Casa delos Fumosos The House

1630
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: of the Famous? Have you heard of the show?

1631
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 4: All the time?

1632
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: Bro, this show, I'm not kidding. Ready for this. It's

1633
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: two hours every single night. Hold on every single night,

1634
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 1: eight every single night, play in the crickets. They have cameras.

1635
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: You can watch the people in the house before and

1636
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: after that two hours. The show goes. Ready for this

1637
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 1: for four months, four months, two hours a night, every

1638
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: single night, seven days a week. And my wife watches

1639
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: this show and it drives I hate to.

1640
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 5: Tell you because my girlfriend watches Love Island. It's the

1641
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 5: same fucking thing.

1642
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 2: It's like two hours a night for four months.

1643
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 5: It's with all the commercials and shit, it's at least

1644
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 5: ninety minutes, and it's if not seven days a week,

1645
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 5: like six days a week.

1646
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 4: Like it's literally a new episode every night. It drives

1647
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 4: me crazy.

1648
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: It's insane. I hate this, like this expanded content format

1649
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: and it's dude, it's like the most It's like, do

1650
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: they they got they got the least interesting people in

1651
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: Colombia to have conversations with each other, And it's like,

1652
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't get the fucking appeal. But it's two hours

1653
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: every night and it's killing me. I just got to

1654
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: be honest about it.

1655
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm my We don't watch a lot of reality

1656
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: TV here. My wife and I have been watching The

1657
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: Traders recently, and I'm all traded to watch that too.

1658
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm all Traders now.

1659
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm wasted trainers or oh like Benedict Arnold

1660
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: or yeah.

1661
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically a show. It's it's almost like murder Wink,

1662
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: but like two people are assigned as Traders at the

1663
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the show and they're like twenty people in

1664
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: the show, and they're like murdering people on the show,

1665
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: and you gotta figure out who the Trader is. I'm

1666
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: not a big reality TV show but a guy. But

1667
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed this show. But my wife's like on season

1668
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: two of the New Zealand series of the Traders, and

1669
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: there's like a Hungarian series and it's just it's it's

1670
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: it's a lot.

1671
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 4: I've heard that the Bronze set or household loves prop quiz.

1672
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 4: This is true.

1673
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only thing my kids have ever watched me

1674
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: do is like they stumbled upon me. They saw my

1675
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: picture on the thumbnail when they opened the YouTube app,

1676
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 2: and they watched me on prop Quiz.

1677
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 4: Let's go new episode air.

1678
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: Quiz again. You must think that you're like Pat Sajak

1679
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: or something who you Long Island. They must think it's

1680
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: like a big show because I'm on they get to

1681
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: see their dall on TV.

1682
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah uh Elsewhere in MMA news, UFC President

1683
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: Dana White was obviously in court for a very specific purpose.

1684
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: They're trying to find what the plaintiffs this case would

1685
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: be the fighters believe are missing pieces of information related

1686
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: to what was held on phones or other kinds of

1687
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: record keeping. That's a little bit in the weeds. However,

1688
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: there were some interesting revelations that came out. Well I

1689
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: say interesting, Aaron, but I'm not sure how interesting they are,

1690
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: which is to say, it's noteworthy that basically Dana White

1691
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: said basically since Endeavor took over UFC, so since twenty seventeen,

1692
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: but at some point in twenty sixteen. And of course

1693
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: I gotta say MMA draw did some great coverage of this,

1694
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: but some other outlets did as well, but certainly Zach

1695
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: Arnold and Nate Willcox did some great coverage. But the

1696
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: basic gist from at least the first day in Dana

1697
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: White's testimony there was that he doesn't do any part

1698
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: of the matchmaking, and he doesn't do any of the

1699
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: fight contract negotiations. Really all of that is done for

1700
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: the large part by Hunter Campbell. My response to that is,

1701
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: is that really new information? I mean, I guess it

1702
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: feels to me like it's new to some people. But

1703
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't Fight inc That TV show they did briefly kind

1704
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: of show that at a bare minimum. It just seems like,

1705
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: how can a guy be as involved as he is

1706
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: in as many projects? And then also be involved in

1707
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: the weeds on those kinds of things. It's Hunter show

1708
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: with the point.

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: That's kind of what it is I think you put

1710
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: in a good way, is like Dana doesn't get into

1711
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 2: the weeds that much except for with production, where it

1712
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: seems like he really looks through it with a fine

1713
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: tooth comb and looks for little ways to improve it

1714
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: all the time. That's what he kind of obsesses over

1715
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 2: and is he's most hands on with in terms of

1716
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: the actual UFC product. But when you look at the matchmaking,

1717
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 2: it feels to me like he kind of lets people

1718
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: do their thing and then he gives it the green light.

1719
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: And I think in a lot of the facets of

1720
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 2: the business that's kind of how Dana is. You know,

1721
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: one thing about data is he really implicitly trusts everybody

1722
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: that has a job at the UFC to do the

1723
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: best at what they do. Like he's very good at

1724
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: finding people that are very good at certain things, giving

1725
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 2: them the keys and saying, okay, you do this, let

1726
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: me know if you have any issues that come up,

1727
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: and you know, if you want to run something by me,

1728
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 2: running by me and then ultimately let me know what

1729
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: it is and I'll give you the A or and

1730
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: A and it's almost always going to be a beau

1731
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: because that's just from what from being around him for years.

1732
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 2: That's the one thing that I've seen about him that

1733
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 2: I think has been, you know, pretty standard, is that

1734
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: he puts a lot of faith in the people around

1735
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: him to do what they're best at and tries to

1736
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: give them, you know, latitude in that regard.

1737
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: He's even talked about it, like what he wants is

1738
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: in the UFC that can run without him. He's even said,

1739
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: I want to set up a system where it can

1740
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: just go on its own. And I think this is

1741
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: part of it. I think some people didn't realize that

1742
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: because it didn't used to be this way, right ten

1743
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: foot well, well, I guess more than ten years at

1744
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: this point, but you know, fifteen years ago he was

1745
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: very hands on with some of the stuff. Lorenzo was

1746
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: at that time too, but I think a lot of

1747
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: that has changed. I do think there was one other

1748
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: interesting note from this testimony that Hunter Campbell gave, and

1749
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: again we'll see what the upshot is for the court

1750
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: case itself, but on the one of the things that

1751
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: came out also, Aaron was at Rico Verhuven. They tried

1752
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: to sign him to the UFC, but he decided to

1753
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: go box, And I guess I'm not sure what to

1754
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: say about that. I don't know what they offered him.

1755
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: Who's to say. What I will say is this, if

1756
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: you can't get Rico and you're looking at the stay

1757
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: of the heavyweight division, I know what you're gonna say

1758
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: is data would never allow it. But just let me

1759
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: say this, shouldn't they re sign Francis and Ghanu? Shouldn't

1760
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: they do that?

1761
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: They should resign Francis and Ganu, They should sign Rigo Verhoven.

1762
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 2: They should do whatever it taste to get this heavyweight

1763
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: division some sort of infusion of life. That's that's all

1764
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: I've got to say about the heavyweight division.

1765
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 4: Really.

1766
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 2: It's like because if you look at like the PFL,

1767
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: for example, can you name any I mean, I guess

1768
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: they have Memcov. But outside of like Nemcov, who are

1769
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: the heavyweights that they have there that you would even

1770
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: want on the UFC roster, right, Like heavyweight as a whole,

1771
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: even in regional MMA. Yeah, Like you know, our matchmaker

1772
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: at Unified is like, do you know of any heavyweights

1773
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: that are available because there just aren't that many. It's

1774
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: it's a totally watered down division in terms of depth

1775
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: across the board.

1776
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: So I've said that it's a global problem. It's not

1777
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: a UFC problem.

1778
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mean, if the UFC could get hen

1779
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 2: and for head off from the PFL, they should do that.

1780
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: Like they should just get as many you know, heavyweights

1781
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: that can fight as possible. Ultimately that should be your

1782
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, it has historically been the glamour division in

1783
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: combat sports, and now it just really isn't you know,

1784
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: whether you're looking at boxing or MMA, just because there

1785
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: aren't that many fighters. It's like a carousel. Even in boxing.

1786
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna touch on Chisora versus Wilder later on, Like

1787
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: it's just basically like who hasn't fought who yet or

1788
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: if they did fight was a close fight. Like it's

1789
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: just a merry go round to the same people fighting

1790
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 2: each other. And like when we talked about Almeida and

1791
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: Kuneye earlier and I said, the winner's gonna fight, like Walder,

1792
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 2: Court doesn't cost to probably or somebody else in like

1793
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 2: the top ten, just because the top ten barely moves.

1794
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: It's almost static Taitu I Vasa just lost his sixth straight.

1795
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: Is he still ranked like he was ranked last week?

1796
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: Like did they he's still ranked fifteens, he's still ranked fifteen.

1797
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: He's lost six in a row, and he's the fifteenth

1798
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: best heavyweight in the UFC right now. It's absurdity to

1799
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: think about that, right, Like he's put like Stephen asplind

1800
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: at fifteen or somebody else. Like if you're doing the

1801
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: rankings and you still have Ti three boss at fifteen,

1802
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 2: you're just not looking at the roster.

1803
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: He is zero to six.

1804
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 5: Last four years, Volter Walker and Josh Hokit are both

1805
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: unranked and are now Vaulter is fourteen.

1806
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 4: Oh all right, sorry, but josh Hoki is unranked.

1807
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 2: You could put him put put somebody fifteen. Although overs

1808
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 2: I would think think about this if it was possible,

1809
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: they could potentially have a heavyweight division that added Francis

1810
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: and Ganu, Regovererhuben and Gable Steveson in like two months

1811
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: that they really wanted to. So it's like, but what's

1812
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: gonna happen?

1813
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 6: Uh?

1814
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: And last but not least, I'm only bringing this up

1815
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: because I just want the folks to be aware of it.

1816
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz, who's forty two years of age, recently sat

1817
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: down for an interview. He is out of this rehab

1818
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: situation he was in in Mexico, which is certainly great

1819
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: to see. However, he says he wants to keep fighting.

1820
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: Let's play this clip and I want you to react

1821
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: to it, to come back or you done?

1822
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to fight a long yeah,

1823
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 4: or or the other guy.

1824
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: How do you do those matchups?

1825
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 4: Go? I think I could see both of them.

1826
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: I could lose too, Yeah, I mean I could see

1827
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 1: myself when it's a smatchup of fighters, you know what

1828
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean.

1829
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: It's coming in with the right formula and fighting.

1830
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: The right fight come back. Yeah, I mean, I gotta

1831
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: tell you, I am glad to see that. Nick looks

1832
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I think that apparently some of

1833
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: the relationship that he had with Nate is at least

1834
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: being to a degree repaired. But the idea of him

1835
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: fighting Aaron, to me, seems like a catastrophically bad idea.

1836
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 4: You know.

1837
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: I said that when he thought Robbie Lawler, I said,

1838
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: how like, we've seen what this guy's been through all

1839
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: these years, and you're you're bringing him back for a

1840
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: fight with Lawler, and I thought he actually looked good

1841
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: against Lawler SI. Based on what my expectations were, I

1842
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: thought it was get into Lawer. But we don't need

1843
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: to run that back. We don't need to do this again.

1844
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 2: You know, there are always other promotions out there, like

1845
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: maybe a bare knuckle or something that's more striking based

1846
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: that I think he would probably do better at than

1847
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: fighting the best fighters in the world right now in

1848
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: the UFC. I mean, if you wanted to put him

1849
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 2: against like Nico Price or something, or somebody that's like

1850
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: on the lower end of the division, just to see

1851
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 2: what he's got, even that, I don't think it is

1852
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 2: a great idea. But to put him in there against

1853
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: Humzad or who else Islam, I mean, that's a non starter.

1854
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: How many more fights do you think either Diaz brother

1855
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: has left, because you know, you would imagine Nate still

1856
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: probably has an itch for one more, and there might

1857
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: be an appetite for one more depending on the matchup.

1858
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: Are you talking about UFC fights, Like, yeah, I would

1859
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: say I would set the under at half. I don't

1860
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: think either of them are going to fight in UFC.

1861
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Wow, not even Nate for like one kind of unless

1862
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: the Connor trilogy.

1863
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: I don't see them bringing Nate back either.

1864
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's Connor trilogy or bust for you for Nate.

1865
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: In terms of the UFC, I.

1866
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 2: Would say so. And then for Nick, I don't think

1867
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna should be done. I don't think. I don't

1868
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: think it's I think that's a bad idea.

1869
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: It's obviously very easy for folks to be like, oh, well,

1870
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: we're not paying your bills, you shouldn't fight anymore. But

1871
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: the forty two, he's taken a lifetime of damage. I

1872
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: would really hope that it could be some other kind

1873
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: of opportunity for him out there.

1874
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 2: I think more of the damage has been outside of

1875
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 2: the cage for Nick. Honestly, like I that's a combination

1876
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: of the two. I mean, yeah, That's the thing that

1877
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: worries me is just I know he's gone to rehab

1878
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: and hopefully he's clean and everything's good. But yeah, we've

1879
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 2: seen some scary clips him over the years, and I

1880
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: just don't see the upside of him coming back and

1881
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 2: fighting again.

1882
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, let's do boxings, hits and misses.

1883
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: There was a lot of strange but let's say somewhat

1884
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: smaller stories circulating outside of the sport. Floyd Mayweather is

1885
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: suing Showtime and Steven Espinosa for three hundred and forty

1886
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: million dollars. Let me read to you, guys very quickly

1887
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of what he is claiming. The basic gist of

1888
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: it is as follows. He mentions al Haman, his longtime

1889
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: manager and advisor in the lawsuit. But he's actually not

1890
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:02,560
Speaker 1: suing al Haman, He's just suinging Espinoza and Showtime. What

1891
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: he says is Hayman allegedly. This is from The New

1892
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: York Times or Athletic Hayman. According to Mayweather, Hayman allegedly

1893
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: set up a series of bank accounts under his name

1894
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: and those of people working with him, without disclosing the

1895
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: details to Mayweather. Mayweather alleges Hayman then began working with

1896
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Espinoza at to serve as a sort of financial mintleman

1897
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,799
Speaker 1: of the boxer's behalf. Instead of going to Mayweather directly,

1898
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,839
Speaker 1: his earnings were deposited into Hayman's network of bank accounts,

1899
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: which he maintained with an associate named Jeff Morris. Those

1900
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: accounts would then transfer the money to Mayweather after deducting

1901
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: Hayman's cut, Those transfers were often short tens of millions

1902
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: of dollars by the time they reached Mayweather. According to

1903
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: the suit, that's because Hayman allegedly deducted large cuts marked

1904
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: this quote reimbursements end quote, creating the image on paper

1905
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: that he was recouping money he previously fronted Mayweather. Mayweather's

1906
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: lawsuit states that that was not the case, and that

1907
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: those moves were solely to enrich Hayman. It should also

1908
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: be noted, Aaron that a recent reporting by Business Insider

1909
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: that Floyd appears to be flat broke. He's doing all

1910
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: kinds of advertisements and is trying to get some kind

1911
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: of exhibition fight against sort of like you know, two

1912
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: thousand's late nineties kind of kickboxer Mike Sambidis out of

1913
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,759
Speaker 1: for Athens Grease. What do you make of this lawsuit?

1914
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't really know what to make of it because

1915
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it. Like, I think that he

1916
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: obviously feels like he's been wronged, and if that's the

1917
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Speaker 2: case and the evidence shows that, then maybe he'll win

1918
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: the lawsuit, don't I don't really see the what the

1919
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 2: news value is of it, to be honest, until it

1920
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: goes to court. It seems like an interesting you know,

1921
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: it's Floyd always has interesting stuff going on around him.

1922
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: But Floyd being flat broke, given the amount of money

1923
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: that he's made over time, I think is fairly alarming.

1924
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Speaker 1: Dude, he made without endorsements. Remember this guy never hawked

1925
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: shoes or energy drinks or anything. He made over a

1926
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: billion dollars in fight perses. And then for him to

1927
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: be in this predicament where you know, business insider is

1928
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: talking about how he's in debt to jewelers. You know,

1929
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: he's taken jewels of off consignment and not returning them,

1930
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, and just all kinds of other problems. Plus

1931
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: the guy who is his current advisor has been charged

1932
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: and previously in various courts in New York and other

1933
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: places for forms of fraud. It's like maybe Al Hayman

1934
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: did steal from him. I do not know. I genuinely

1935
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 1: have no clue, but I would say my spidy senses

1936
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: are tingling that I don't know how. I don't know

1937
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: if this is frivolous, but it's just happening at a

1938
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: weird time in Floyd's life. Does that make sense? Like

1939
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: he's doing it at a time where he appears to

1940
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: be uniquely financially vulnerable.

1941
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: But here, Yeah, I mean, why now? Why today? This

1942
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: is an event that happened how many years ago? What

1943
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking about eight years ago? Along those lines.

1944
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: More than that, he's signed, he fought from show for

1945
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: his showtime. I mean, I guess you could count the

1946
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: logan Paul one, but really from twenty thirteen to what

1947
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen or so twenty twenty.

1948
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: Something, I thought this was specifically zeroing in on the

1949
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: Maymac fight and the money.

1950
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: So the Pakia fight, which was what twenty seventeen?

1951
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: Was it the Pachio fight that I thought this was about?

1952
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: The main the Maymac fight in specific.

1953
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: Was Maymax and Pakyo and Pakyo. Okay, Yeah, so you

1954
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: had twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen something like that. Yeah,

1955
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I get I

1956
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: get a bit of a weird feeling with this one.

1957
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like Floyd does not make very

1958
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 2: good decisions outside of the ring, makes great ones in

1959
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 2: the ring.

1960
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, ring has incredible decision maker inside. Yeah, uh shaquer

1961
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 1: Stevenson obviously had a big win over Tao Femal Lopez,

1962
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: but has lashed out at the WBC for wanting one

1963
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: hundred k in fees for about they weren't even sanctioning.

1964
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: If you don't understand this, you can see some of

1965
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: the tweets here from Shakur or one hundred k to

1966
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: some crooks who don't even deserve it, and then he

1967
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: just said, I just paid these dudes after my last fight.

1968
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: What the hell I'm giving you all one hundred k

1969
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: for right now because y'all got beep with Bud, so

1970
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,799
Speaker 1: come at me. The issue is as follows. The WBC

1971
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: cited that its rules prohibit champions, and he was one

1972
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: of them from simultaneously holding world titles from other governing

1973
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: bodies in weight classes separate from divisions in which they

1974
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: hold the WBC belt. So of course what happened here

1975
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: is he had the thirty five belt, moved up to

1976
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: forty to get the WBO belt and then they got

1977
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: mad at him.

1978
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: Is this an.

1979
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Example of fighters being stingy or I just have to

1980
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: say here, Aaron, at a time when I think sanctioning

1981
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: bodies should be doing everything possible to save their skin.

1982
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: They keep walking into pr nightmares, only adding to the

1983
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: ammunition that is already being used against them.

1984
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 2: I was about to say the same thing, like they're

1985
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: facing potentially an exidental crisis and they're taxing s to

1986
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,839
Speaker 2: Kurs Stevenson and looking, you know, putting themselves aut their negatively.

1987
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: Plus this is on a story about Suleyman being angry

1988
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 2: that he didn't get a seat ringside at Canelo versus Crawford,

1989
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 2: and he's like been curious about this, Like this is

1990
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: this is the way you want to be representing sanctioning

1991
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: bodies today. It just seems to me like, uh, perhaps

1992
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 2: the wrong move. That's just on the outside looking in here, Luke.

1993
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm not a big boxing guy, but just from an

1994
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 2: outsider standpoint, it certainly seems like you have bigger fish

1995
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 2: to fry right now than not getting a seat to

1996
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 2: an event.

1997
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I will tell you those of us at MMA, we

1998
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of know, you know, the emo of how the

1999
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: industry works. I think that these some of these guys

2000
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: in boxing, particularly Mauricio Suleiman or WBC, they does it

2001
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: seem to you, like this is my read, does it

2002
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: seem to you like they are grossly underestimating what TKO

2003
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: wants to do and what they can do.

2004
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. They seemingly have thrown no

2005
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: weight behind themselves in that regard and then just continuously

2006
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: do things that make them look even worse at this time,

2007
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 2: which to me is just baffling. But again, I'm on

2008
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: the outside looking in. But again, maybe that gives me

2009
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: better perspective. Well, maybe it gives me worse perspective. But

2010
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 2: that's what I'm seeing from an outsider's standpoint, is that

2011
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: they're just making all the wrong moves here.

2012
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: And then, last but not least, there is a plan

2013
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: for Deontay Wilder versus Derek Cheezora here in this year.

2014
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it's in a few months. I'm not just

2015
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: sure the day I'll pull it up here in just

2016
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: the second you can see the face off there. What

2017
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: is your level of interest? They were initially saying Deontay

2018
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: Wilder was going to fight Usick, which I thought was

2019
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I don't think Wilder should be fighting

2020
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 1: at all. It's April fourth, by the way, I don't

2021
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 1: think Wilder should be fighting at all. I think he

2022
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: has looked terrible of late. I guess if you're going

2023
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: to fight and the choices are Chizorra or Usik, it's

2024
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: better for him that he's fighting Chizora. And at a

2025
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: different time, I'd say, wow, this is kind of a

2026
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: fun fight between two guys who are a little bit

2027
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,560
Speaker 1: rough around the edges, but certainly wild They are a

2028
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: power puncher and Derek Chizora a bit of a bite

2029
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: down on the mouthpiece and throw guy. What's your level

2030
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: of interest in this fight? In twenty twenty six, April.

2031
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Fourth, I'm gonna look like the MMA guy again here.

2032
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: But why didn't they do Wilder and Francis and Ganu,

2033
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 2: Like it seems like if Andgana's gonna turn down the

2034
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: pall fight, that to me would be the move as

2035
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: you have Deontay Wilder take on Francis and Gano and

2036
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 2: they get into some big exhibition. But maybe the ship

2037
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: is sailed on those sort of fights. In terms of

2038
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Wilder and Shasura, like they're just those ten heavyweights that

2039
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: I mentioned that you can just kind of interchange and

2040
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 2: move to face one another. Those are just two of

2041
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 2: those guys and it seems like they're have they fought

2042
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 2: each other before? Probably not, And that's why they're making

2043
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: this fight. That seems like that's the way they book

2044
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 2: heavyweight boxing now, is like, oh, that guy hasn't fought

2045
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: that guy, and he's one of these ten guys that

2046
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: we have in the stable of heavyweights. So I think

2047
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 2: that's probably why this fight is happening kind of out

2048
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: of necessity, and that's I think why Wilder was being

2049
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 2: touted for a fight with Ustik is they haven't fought

2050
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: each other.

2051
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, but that's the fight that would

2052
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: have made sense. I don't know, six seven years.

2053
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 2: Would absolutely style on this version of Deontae.

2054
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Be terrible for him. By the way, we have an

2055
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: interesting clip of Cheezora being all buddy buddy about the ante.

2056
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: One of the fight's over, let's roll it.

2057
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 10: One of my favorite things for this whole weekend, and

2058
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 10: you used them to fish and chips Barron Market. So

2059
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 10: I'm buzzing about that.

2060
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 4: I enjoyed that this is real, Derek.

2061
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: This isn't sort of playing games fish.

2062
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 4: And no, no, no, listen, it's real because he's my boy.

2063
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 10: You understand, After this fight, I might go and stay

2064
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 10: in Alabama and it's for for like a weekend, a

2065
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 10: week with my family and just hanging out there. Listen,

2066
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 10: I don't want to sell this fight with violence because

2067
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 10: there's too much violence in the world right now. Right now,

2068
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 10: we're just happy to be in the same room and

2069
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 10: hanging out with each other. But I believe April when

2070
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 10: he arrives in April. I think he rives one day

2071
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 10: and it comes back and the first press conference is done.

2072
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 10: You know, friendship is out the window. We actually put

2073
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 10: the friendship in the bag for the time being, and

2074
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 10: then we eddie.

2075
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 1: It'll be at the London's O two Arena April fourth.

2076
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be gross.

2077
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 2: Could we get people to follow Chazora in his family

2078
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 2: around Alabama during their family trip there?

2079
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a good time in Alabama. It's probably

2080
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 1: not gonna be great, but you know, those charming parts

2081
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: as supposed to many places in the earth in any event.

2082
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: That is our hits and misses here and our top

2083
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: five on the show. All right, Long Island, What do

2084
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: you have for us here for the rest of the

2085
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Today's program.

2086
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 4: First up, we're gonna play a segment we've played it before,

2087
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 4: higher or lower, So I'll give you each and over

2088
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 4: under you just let me know the answer, I'll cute

2089
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 4: each of you up, but you can both chime in.

2090
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: Lt U first, first three.

2091
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 5: UFC title fights to twenty twenty six, we're an interim

2092
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 5: title fight with the clear number one guy not involved,

2093
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 5: an unnecessary rematch in which the clear number one number

2094
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 5: two contenders were not involved, and next up we have.

2095
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 4: A BMF title fight. We all know I feel that

2096
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 4: is a meaningless title. So my question to you is

2097
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 4: higher or lower than four and a half the amount

2098
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 4: of actual number one contenders fight for a title in

2099
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six?

2100
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: Ooh wow, Okay, let me think about that.

2101
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 4: UM, I want to pull up the rankings myself because.

2102
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 5: M yeah, like, for example, at light heavyweight, Carlos Olberg

2103
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,839
Speaker 5: is ranked number three, but to me, he's the clearest

2104
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 5: number one. Yeah, I'll let that count, like just who

2105
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 5: clearly should be up next regardless.

2106
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: I think if you combine men's and women's over the

2107
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 1: course of a year, I can take the over. But

2108
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I do think that you set the line at a

2109
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: pretty good spot because it's going to be right around

2110
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: this number.

2111
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're already going three paper reviews down, we

2112
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 4: have what ten left and yes, ten left? Minimum one

2113
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:06,799
Speaker 4: title fight on each.

2114
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: Usually, but they they could put on a card.

2115
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 4: You remember, so minimum ten left will say like, yeah, Aaron.

2116
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: What do you think?

2117
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 2: I think the overall so I'm looking at the rankings

2118
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: right now. So Monelk sorry, Pantosha, I think is once

2119
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 2: he's healthy, he's going to get a title fight. He's

2120
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 2: ranked number one right now. You've got uh most are

2121
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 2: If Mozar beats Loran Murphy, he probably gets the next

2122
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 2: title shot in that division. You got Mirob with the

2123
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 2: Marabery match, so you got three there, and then the

2124
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: women's divisions. I think Jean v leaves she's gonna fight

2125
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 2: at strawwaight again we'll get a title shot, and Italia

2126
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Silva Women's Flyway I think gets it, and then Cyrilgonery match.

2127
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 2: That's six. So I think if we're looking at six

2128
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 2: and maybe one of those doesn't happen and you're still hitting, you're.

2129
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 4: Over all right. Very true, Aaron. This next one's for you.

2130
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 4: We all know you love collecting and listening to vinyl.

2131
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 4: You have a few behind you right there. I'm curious

2132
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 4: how deep that collection actually goes so higher, lower than

2133
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty nine and a half the amount

2134
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 4: of records in your collection.

2135
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 2: Way way over all?

2136
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I didn't know where to set the line.

2137
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 4: Wait a lot, Yeah that is over and a half.

2138
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,440
Speaker 4: What do we think in thousands?

2139
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over a thousand for sure. How do you

2140
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: organize it alphabetically? But I also have certain sections of

2141
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: my like I've got several holders organizers I guess you

2142
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 2: would call them, and I have them alphabetized. But there's

2143
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: also like certain sections where like maybe I have it

2144
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,799
Speaker 2: by genre or I have it by like a certain label.

2145
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 2: It's kind of I know where to find stuff. It's

2146
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 2: my own system, all right.

2147
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 4: How much space does this take up? It takes like

2148
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 4: an entire room.

2149
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm a good deal of space. So in this room

2150
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 2: that I'm in right now, there's one, two, three, and

2151
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 2: then the room next to me there's another three, So

2152
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 2: it thinks a good amount of space.

2153
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 4: Damn LT Do you own any vinyls?

2154
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: Not fucking one?

2155
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 4: Not one? Wow?

2156
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Not one?

2157
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 4: I have about thirty, but I.

2158
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Think my wife has maybe a handful, but not me.

2159
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 5: All right, Elsie Alexander Volkanowski said he's willing to take

2160
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 5: on all challengers, including Avloyev Murphy Silva and even Orman Serukian,

2161
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 5: but he is thirty seven years old.

2162
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 4: Father time catches up with everyone. So my question to

2163
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 4: you is higher lower than one and a half the

2164
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 4: amount of contenders Volk will beat before retiring or leaving

2165
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 4: the division.

2166
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 1: I'll put it at one. I'll take the under. He

2167
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: might face more, but I think eventually this is going

2168
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: to come to a close. But I think he'll probably

2169
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: get one, so i'll say one under under.

2170
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the over. I think that he

2171
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: beats a boyev if that's who it ends up being,

2172
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 2: or Murphy, and then I think he can beat whoever,

2173
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 2: like if it's John Silva or whoever else ends up

2174
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 2: fighting him, I think he can win two more and

2175
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 2: then then he'll probably either call it a day, or

2176
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 2: if he's really rolling, maybe he'll keep going. But I

2177
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 2: mean to do what he's doing at thirty seven at

2178
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 2: bantamay as wild.

2179
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to take the under better way unless

2180
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 5: there's favorable matchmaking. I don't see him beaten two of them,

2181
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 5: you know, Like if he gets John Silva is one

2182
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 5: of them, then I think he could be two of them,

2183
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 5: but I don't really know who that was, Aaron, This

2184
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 5: one's for you. Quillin seal Kild secured his fourth straight

2185
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 5: UFC win on Saturday and seems ready for a crack

2186
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 5: at the top fifteen. So you could pull up the

2187
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 5: rankings if you don't already have.

2188
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 4: Him higher or lower than seven and a half the

2189
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 4: amount of top fifteen lightweights you would favor Quillin sal

2190
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 4: Kild to beat over.

2191
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 2: Under seven and a half in the lightweight division, I'll

2192
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 2: put that at the under.

2193
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 4: Okay, is there anyone you would favor him over? I'm

2194
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 4: assuming at.

2195
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:47,879
Speaker 2: Least in the top fifteen, Ye, Michael Chandler, Benil Dariush

2196
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: and maybe Moikano, three, Dan Hooker, two, maybe Dan Hooker,

2197
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 2: but I would say three.

2198
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 4: Lt you adding anyone to that list, maybe a feroc

2199
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 4: Z m, a Manuel Torres.

2200
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: Umm not enough to get the over, I'd still take

2201
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: the under. I think he could maybe beat five or

2202
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 1: six of them right now, but I'm not sure about

2203
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: taking the over.

2204
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: Over we don't favor to beat, like based on what

2205
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 2: would he be a favorite in those fights? Or who

2206
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 2: do I think he would be?

2207
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 4: No, just like who do you think he would be? No,

2208
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 4: we're not talking to odds wise, Just like Yah yeah,

2209
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 4: I still take the under.

2210
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess they do kind of coincide

2211
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 5: what the odds would be and what we kind of think.

2212
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 5: But you know, either way, LT you always say you

2213
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 5: prefer fights to be earlier and wish they could all

2214
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 5: be finished by sundown.

2215
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 4: That is a direct quote from you on Monday. So

2216
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 4: my question to you PFL this Saturday seems right up

2217
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 4: your alley higher or lower than four and a half

2218
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 4: the amount of PFL fights you will watch live, specifically

2219
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 4: live on Saturday.

2220
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: Zero none live. But it's not It's not some kind

2221
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: of formal protest. I'm actually going on a family trip

2222
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: this afternoon for the weekend. I'll be back Sunday afternoon

2223
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl, So I'm gonna watch them all then.

2224
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: All right, now, Now the question is if I didn't

2225
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 1: have that, how many would I watch live? Yeah, I

2226
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: would take the over. I would take the over, but

2227
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 1: just five.

2228
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 4: You're just watching the main card.

2229
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Or most of the main card, and I might catch

2230
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 1: a couple of prelims, you know what I mean, that

2231
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

2232
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 4: But yes, Aaron planning on watching any of these on Saturday, Well.

2233
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 2: I watch it in Canada. I mean, if you tell

2234
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 2: me the channel it's on.

2235
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch it while Isn't that so fucked up

2236
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that it's like the Canadians don't even know how to

2237
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: watch this fucking shit.

2238
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 4: I mean, we could sail the seas. You could probably

2239
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 4: find it, you know, advise that. I mean I did.

2240
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 4: All I said was going, I have a boat. You know,

2241
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 4: you could sail the seas.

2242
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 1: That's it, that's right, you have a boat.

2243
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 2: Sail to Buffalo, New York and watch it on ESPN unlimited. Yeah,

2244
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 2: sail to Rochester from I've got Lake Ontario as a

2245
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 2: ten minute one, hopping my my gurney and just head

2246
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 2: across to Rochester and watch it at a bar there.

2247
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 4: There you go, Aaron, this one's for you. You once

2248
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 4: told Luke and BC you were a varsity athlete in

2249
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 4: high school, which got never.

2250
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 2: I never said I was a varsity athlete in high school.

2251
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 2: That's as a misnomer.

2252
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 5: It got me thinking about high school sports in general.

2253
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 5: So higher, lower than two and a half the amount

2254
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 5: of sports you played for your high school.

2255
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an under The question that was asked was

2256
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 2: was I more of an athlete or an athlete? And

2257
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 2: I failed Grade ten and eleven math and like played

2258
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 2: basketball after school. So I failed in math and I

2259
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 2: was still successfully able to play sports, So I was

2260
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 2: more of an I like went out of my way

2261
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 2: to play sports. I was just really bad at math.

2262
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 4: I got you, lt, Did you play any sports in

2263
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 4: high school? I'm assuming no, you went to like really

2264
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 4: really good athletic high schools.

2265
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Right, No, go to very good athletic high schools. But

2266
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: I didn't play. I moved around in high school. I

2267
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: went to one high school for freshman sophomore and then

2268
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 1: a different high school for junior senior, which is very

2269
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: just disruptive to your life. But no, at that point,

2270
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:01,639
Speaker 1: I wasn't really interested in that kind of stuff.

2271
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 2: But I wasn't mathle My kame Browns team qualm ground

2272
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 2: was on the Wizards, though he wasn't in a high

2273
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 2: school he went to.

2274
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 1: He was from Brunswick, Georgia. But like, like you can

2275
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 1: just look this up. I went to Valdosta High School

2276
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: for my freshman sophomore year and they've produced like a

2277
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: million people who've gone to the league.

2278
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 4: So mostly NFL players, right, mostly NFL, right, or.

2279
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: In terms like versus basketball, Yeah, it's a football factory.

2280
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Down there.

2281
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2282
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 2: I went to Bond Secondary School for the aforementioned summer

2283
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 2: school and I failed math, which is where Andrew Wiggins went.

2284
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 2: So shout out to and.

2285
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 4: Oh, there you go, lt. This one's for you.

2286
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,560
Speaker 5: Last week, the DOJ released over three million pages to

2287
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 5: the Epstein files. So, yeah, my question to you, higher

2288
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 5: or lower than four hundred and ninety nine and a

2289
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 5: half the amount of documents you've gone through since the

2290
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 5: latest Epstein release.

2291
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 1: It's a great question, man.

2292
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know where to set the over under.

2293
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: I hope it's a good Yeah, that might be a

2294
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: little high, right, But there was an Onion article that

2295
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: had a great joke. It was like the release of

2296
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,759
Speaker 1: the Epstein Files has rekindled America's love affair with reading.

2297
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, that's so true.

2298
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: I'll set the under but it's probably been a lot.

2299
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 5: Some of them are like a couple of words. You know,

2300
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 5: they're not that long. You could you could fly through

2301
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 5: four hundred and ninety nine real quick.

2302
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you who's who you could take

2303
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the over on, which is Brian Campbe. Yeah, we know

2304
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: that you won't stop texting me the dumbest conspiracy theories

2305
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 1: he can come up with.

2306
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 4: But you know, Aaron over under on this, that's an under.

2307
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll take the end.

2308
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 2: I'll take the under.

2309
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 4: Alex all right, Uh, Aaron, this one's for you.

2310
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 5: Hob's at Chamaiev one of the most dominant middleweights currently,

2311
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 5: but he's inactivity the last five years has kind of

2312
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 5: put a hindrance on his career. So my question to you,

2313
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,600
Speaker 5: is higher or lower than two and a half the

2314
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 5: amount of title defenses Tremaiev will have during his current

2315
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 5: title run.

2316
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 2: I mean it gets stripped, he fights more than two

2317
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 2: and a half times, he'll have that about the title.

2318
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 2: The Venza's.

2319
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 1: Let me take the over all, right, I think that's

2320
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: the move. I agree with that. I don't think they're

2321
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: going to let him go to two five right away.

2322
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 4: See, I'm not worried about two o five. I'm worried

2323
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 4: about this man walk. Yeah, like I'm.

2324
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 2: Taking the unders, like the government status.

2325
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 5: My bold prediction beginning of the year was that he

2326
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 5: doesn't fight till the October Abu Dhabi card, and let's

2327
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 5: just say he pulls out of that with an injury

2328
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 5: or something.

2329
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 4: Now we're going a full year without like, I don't know.

2330
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he's fall on American soil already, so I

2331
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:31,679
Speaker 2: know I'm.

2332
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 4: Not saying you can just kind of now, yeah, I

2333
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 4: don't know. ELTI, you take an over under, I'll take

2334
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 4: the over two. Yeah, all right, fair enough, ELTI.

2335
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 5: You do go through vaping phases, but you've come a

2336
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 5: long way from being the douche fluke guzzler we all remember.

2337
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 5: So my question to you, higher or lower than two

2338
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 5: and a half the amount of vapes you've gone through

2339
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 5: in the last six months.

2340
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:57,640
Speaker 1: We're not counting you know, the Mary Jane kind right, No, no, no,

2341
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: just no, just like the standard one?

2342
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, zero zero real zero. Didn't you have one pretty recently?

2343
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 2: Thought?

2344
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: I tried to buy one and I pulled on it

2345
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: and it just tasted so gross I threw it away.

2346
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you said gone through, No I didn't.

2347
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean that one had was ninety eight percent full

2348
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: or whatever.

2349
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 2: You go to a hypnotist or something, and how did

2350
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 2: you just start suddenly start finding that disgusting.

2351
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't that I found them all disgusting. It's that

2352
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 1: I I I just had to make a choice about

2353
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: your health, Like if you're going to do other kinds

2354
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: of pollutants. You should dial back on some of them.

2355
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, I just can't do this, so

2356
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 1: I stopped. Also, like, I don't know, I guess everyone's different,

2357
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: but if I use vabes for a while, it actually

2358
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: becomes hard, like literally hard to breathe. And I'm too

2359
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be playing games like that.

2360
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 4: So no, Yeah, there's some weird shit in them that

2361
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 4: I feel like we haven't figured out yet.

2362
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: You're just barbecuing your lungs with stuff like that.

2363
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 4: I just feel like they're you know, when you look

2364
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 4: back at like cigarette commercials in like the fifties and

2365
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 4: you're like, what they're like eat cigarettes with your dinner,

2366
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, and like shit like that, that's what vapes are. Now,

2367
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:02,560
Speaker 4: We're going to look back and be like, dude, we

2368
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 4: were all like inhaling that shit.

2369
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: I was in college and this stuff. Like New York

2370
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: City was the first place under Mayor Bloomberg to start

2371
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: changing where you couldn't smoke in bars, and that was

2372
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 1: a big deal on like Circle two thousand and two

2373
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: or two thousand and three, I think. But like, for like,

2374
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, up until that time, if you went out

2375
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 1: to a place. You would come home wreaking a cigarette, smoke,

2376
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: your clothes, your hair, everything, and people realize, don't realize

2377
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: now how much that's changed, Like that just doesn't exist.

2378
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 2: I used to go to concerts and I would just

2379
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: find like an ass trade. I remember, I just take

2380
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 2: off all my clothes, throwed in the laundry machine as

2381
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 2: soon as I got home because it it was so gross.

2382
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 1: And now, I mean, you know, you still have to

2383
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: shower and all that other stuff, but like it's just

2384
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: not nearly as bad anymore.

2385
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 4: Every time I walk into my living room, I reek

2386
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 4: like weed. It's crazy.

2387
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 5: But uh, anyways, Aaron, next one for you. Uh, with

2388
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 5: the exception of COVID, which was a blur, it seems

2389
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 5: like you're at every big event. Maybe you were even

2390
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 5: at the COVID events too, I'm not really sure, just

2391
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 5: saying higher or lower than though two are sorry, three

2392
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 5: and a half the amount of UFC numbered events that

2393
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 5: you have missed since twenty.

2394
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 2: Over for sure, because I don't go to the international ones.

2395
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 2: I don't go outside in North America, so that's after.

2396
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 4: So then let's just make it north American. How many

2397
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 4: North American events have you missed since twenty.

2398
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty twenty two, it's probably still an over all.

2399
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Right, so you don't go to any of the ones

2400
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: in Australia or Yeah, no.

2401
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't go to any of those. But if we're

2402
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 2: looking at just North American ones, I still think it

2403
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: would be over three and a half that I know

2404
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 2: I missed Yearie versus Alex. I think that was the

2405
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 2: one at MSG, If that was the MSG one, I

2406
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 2: missed that one, and I think there were a couple

2407
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: of other ones that year that I.

2408
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 4: Missed Yei Alex. Wasn't that International Fight Week whatever?

2409
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 2: The one with Yeeri in U two was maybe maybe

2410
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 2: one of the I think was the first one, So

2411
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 2: I think I missed that one.

2412
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 5: LTE, Have you gone to more than three and a

2413
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 5: half numbered events since twenty twenty two?

2414
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 1: No, I've not gone to any all Right, there you go.

2415
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 4: You've gone to PFL though, right.

2416
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't go to a PFL. Yes, in DC

2417
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: event there it was a finale.

2418
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like PFL seven, But then next year

2419
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 5: they'll do PFL seven again and it'll be.

2420
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you have to go by the year. Anyways, Guys,

2421
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 4: now we're gonna play everyone's favorite game. It is ranked

2422
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 4: that card, that card. It sucks all right.

2423
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 2: First well, Jay Sherman. At the end, there the.

2424
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,879
Speaker 4: Polish fighter with the best chance of winning on Saturday,

2425
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 4: Claudia Sgulia, Mikhail Olexachuk or Yakub Wicklax.

2426
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: I've not seen the odds, it's enough to know exactly,

2427
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go Olik Shahik, wick Lats and then Sla.

2428
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 4: I feel like those are that's a fair order a

2429
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 4: b you're doing anything same as Luke. Yeah, I'm looking

2430
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 4: quickly now.

2431
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 2: I me Wicklash is the only underdog of the bunch

2432
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 2: and Sula is favored. But I still think Wicklash has

2433
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:00,440
Speaker 2: a better chance of winning Thela.

2434
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 4: Yeahgula minus one fifty five Wicklas plus one o two.

2435
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 4: Money's come in on him because there's a little wider Yeah, dude,

2436
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 4: missed Waite his opponent.

2437
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 5: Ab fighters undefeated in the UFC with the biggest chance

2438
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 5: of losing on Saturday for read Basharat, Vensius, Olivera or

2439
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 5: Daniel don Chenko.

2440
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:24,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go Venicius for red and uh then don Chenko.

2441
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 4: Last okay lt. I feel like people are sleeping on

2442
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 4: Alex Morono I know he's like, you know, Chinny.

2443
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, mm don Chenko Vnicius, then basharatt.

2444
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 4: Okay, I'd probably go Vinicius don Chenko, all right, uh

2445
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 4: elt most entertaining fighter on the card, Kyogi Horgucci, Mikhael

2446
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 4: Lexachek or Oliver.

2447
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, olivera Hora Gucci, Olak.

2448
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 4: Aaron, Yeah, Dido Luke geez, guys have some variety, No,

2449
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 4: just kidding Aaron. Fighter who's stock will drop the most

2450
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 4: with a loss on Saturday, Mario Bautista, Jalton Almeida or

2451
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 4: Kyogi Horigucci.

2452
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 2: I'll go Almeida, Bautista, Hora Gucci.

2453
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll differentiate. I think it would be terrible for

2454
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: Hora Gucci. I think he'd be terrible for Bautista, but

2455
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: not quite as bad. And I think Almeida is already

2456
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 1: a lost cause. So I don't think. I'm not saying

2457
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: a loss wouldn't hurt, but I just feel like he's

2458
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: already kind of damaged goods.

2459
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 2: See.

2460
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 5: I feel like Bautista is the most to lose because

2461
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 5: he's already kind of not everyone's favorite fighter.

2462
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 4: He's coming off a loss to Umar. You now lose

2463
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:42,680
Speaker 4: to Venetius who made these.

2464
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 1: But Hora Gucci's right up against the title shot. You

2465
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 1: lose that, that's much worse.

2466
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Omeda's fighting a guy who's ranklowder than Tai

2467
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:49,600
Speaker 2: Tui Vasa, so eat that.

2468
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. But Almeida, Yeah, but it's heavyweight, so he's one

2469
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 4: win away from a title shot. Yeah, that's true, or

2470
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 4: a court as a Costa fight. Uh and Kyogi.

2471
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 5: I feel like because there's so so many, like I

2472
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 5: don't want to say contenders because some of them are

2473
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:04,839
Speaker 5: coming off losses, but they're.

2474
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 4: Still like moreno royval cop Tyra, Like, there's other matchups.

2475
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 4: You could still kind of put together with him and

2476
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 4: get him right back in the picture. So I don't

2477
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 4: know if he has that much to lose. But next

2478
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 4: up lt most intimidating animal nickname. These are all fighters

2479
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,680
Speaker 4: on the card, the snow Leopard, loake Dog, or the

2480
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 4: Great White. Which one would you be most intimidated by?

2481
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I like snow Leopard the most. I'd go Great White. Next,

2482
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: I'd go loake Dog last, even though I think in

2483
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 1: person lokedog might be actually more intimidating in some of

2484
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,719
Speaker 1: these guys, but just pure nickname, lok dog does nothing

2485
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: for me.

2486
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:42,679
Speaker 4: Real quick before, just to interrupt this game, Wang Toong

2487
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 4: just missed weight one twenty seven and a half and

2488
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 4: add her to Muen Gaffarov who also came in at

2489
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 4: one forty one earlier. So that's two fighters who missed

2490
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 4: weight and we're waiting on like a good there's still

2491
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 4: like four or five fighters who have not waited four

2492
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 4: minutes left away in Yeah, so be prepared for some

2493
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 4: weight misses. Here, Aaron, which animal nickname is most intimidated?

2494
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm gonna take a different methodology than

2495
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Luke here. So like, if I was a fighter and

2496
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 2: somebody gave me a contracts with just the nicknames in

2497
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 2: front of me, I would say loak Dog would be

2498
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 2: the most intimidating, because you don't want to fight a

2499
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 2: guy named the loak Dog. Yeah, then go with the

2500
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 2: Great White and then the snow Leopard.

2501
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 4: I think I agree one hundred percent. And the way

2502
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 4: you worded it is perfect. You get the fight contract

2503
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 4: and all you read is low Dog. I'd be like, fuck, dude,

2504
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 4: this guy will think through some ship.

2505
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 2: I'll go through the Great White and st.

2506
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 4: Probably been incarcerated, Like yeah.

2507
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not yet, it's not intimidating at all.

2508
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 4: Snow Leopard to me is like, what am I going

2509
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 4: to play in the snow with him?

2510
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: All the person's face in China they have it on video.

2511
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: You've seen that ship. I mean, you know, yeah, exactly.

2512
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,879
Speaker 2: A weird nickname to nickname yourself after, like you wouldn't exactly.

2513
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 1: That's why it's the best, some exotic, visious animal.

2514
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 4: Maybe I guess mouling of all makes sense. Aaron former

2515
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 4: Patchy Mixed opponent most likely to win a UFC title,

2516
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 4: Kyogi Horrgucci or Mario Bautista, Oh.

2517
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 2: God, most likely to win a UFC title? Can I take?

2518
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 2: Can I take that? None of the above? If I

2519
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 2: have to rank it, I'm gonna go Bautista, vic Lash, Horror, Gucci,

2520
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 2: no direspect. I think Horgucci today has the best chance,

2521
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 2: but like I think ultimately he's not going to get there.

2522
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 2: He's thirty five. I think Bautista still has a little

2523
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 2: time to grow, and we still haven't seen what Wicklash

2524
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 2: brings the table. Overall was a champion in KSW, so

2525
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2526
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 5: Real quick question was the Javid Basharad Janni Vasquez fight

2527
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 5: at catchweight or was it at thirty five, all right,

2528
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 5: because what's his face?

2529
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, no, no, I think it's one hundred and

2530
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 2: thirty five pounds. I don't know if it's a catchweight.

2531
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 5: I was gonna say because Bashrat weighed in at the

2532
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 5: Bandam weight limit, but uh, his opponent Vasquez just came

2533
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 5: in at one forty one. Wasn't sure if he missed

2534
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 5: weight or if it was They settled on one forty

2535
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 5: or something. And now we just have Edward Eduarda Mora

2536
01:55:56,920 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 5: coming at one twenty seven. So her and went both

2537
01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 5: opponents missweight. There Wang Tong and Eduardo Mora.

2538
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 2: UFC website has baslaat Vasquez is a bantam waite fight.

2539
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 4: All right. So that is four fighters total who have

2540
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 4: missed weight so far, and I believe we're still waiting

2541
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 4: on one or two. But yeah, this card is a

2542
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 4: shit show. ELTI most patchy mixed opponent. Most likely to

2543
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 4: win a title.

2544
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little different. I'm gonna go Hora,

2545
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Gucci Bautista and then wick Latch last.

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01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 4: All right, that's fair. Elt. Most likely to avoid a

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01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 4: third straight loss Javid Basharat, Nico Price or Kitlyn Sosa.

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01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Javid Basharot is the most talented of

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01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: the group, and then Kitln Sosa is a little bit

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01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: better than a little bit less error prone than Nico Price,

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01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 1: who just donks it up. So I'll go Bascharat so's

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01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 1: a Price.

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01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 4: I might be delusional, but between Alex Morono and Nico Price,

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01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 4: who I think are like two of the bigger dogs

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01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,320
Speaker 4: on the car like, I feel like I kind of

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01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 4: like them this week, man, I don't know. For Rettnikov,

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01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 4: I haven't been too high. Ab you got any different

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01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 4: same as Luke, same as Luke? All right? Well, Ab,

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01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 4: how about this most likely to win by finish alexey Chuk,

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01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 4: danil don Chenko or Jelton almebe Oh.

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01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 2: Danil don Chenko number one, Ah, Jelton all made a

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01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 2: number two, Olexaychik number three. I think all three are

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01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 2: gonna get finish as though okay Lt I.

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01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Might go slightly different, only because Olashishik, with fighting nerves,

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01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 1: been a little bit better about it. So I'll go

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01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 1: don Chenko, alexey Chik, and then Almeida.

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01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 5: I'm going the order that it's in. I think olezey

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01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 5: Chuk gets Barrio out of there real quick. Don Chenko,

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01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 5: I just mentioned I kind of like Morono to last

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01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 5: a little longer there, and Almeida I did pick him,

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01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 5: but I'm worried he's gonna gas out and.

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01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. LT Who will have more UFC

2573
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 4: fights after Saturday? Mark Andre Barrio, Alex Morono or Nico Price.

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01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 4: All of them on not necessarily long losing streaks.

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01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 5: I think they've all lost two in a row, but

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01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 5: they're on like lost for their last five, five of

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01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 5: their last six.

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01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I might go in this order,

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01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 1: or I might just flip the first two and go

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01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: more no Barrio and then Price last. I'll keep Price last,

2581
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 1: and then maybe just move the first two in one

2582
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: direction of the other.

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01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go Barrio, Nico Price, Alex Marono.

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01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 5: See, I feel like Barrio is most likely to lose

2585
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 5: on Saturday, and then he like I think they cut

2586
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 5: him after that because that's.

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01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 2: Just doesn't say no to fight. Then is always available,

2588
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 2: and and he's Canadian and they do needs Canadian.

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01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Morono I think is one knockout away from being gone.

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01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 4: Nico again needs.

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01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 1: To win on Saturday.

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01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Otherwise he got seven kids, dude, he's got He's got

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01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 2: a fight yeah, but.

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01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 5: He could also go to like BKFC or something you know,

2595
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 5: uh aybe last one most likely to challenge for UFC

2596
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 5: belt one day, Amir Albasi, Wang Toong or Venicius Olivera.

2597
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 2: I'll go Venicius Olivera, Wong Tong. I mean you're all Bosi.

2598
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:13,000
Speaker 1: Elt definitely Vnisius one. Yeah, yeah, I agree with him.

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01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 1: Probably Wang Tong second, and then I'll buy I mean,

2600
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 1: I do. I think all Bozzi's talented, but he's got

2601
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 1: to prove something here on Saturday for him to move

2602
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: up in these power rankings.

2603
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 4: But isn't that all it could possibly take is.

2604
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 5: A win win, which you're asking me before the fight,

2605
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 5: not after, you know, right, But I don't know, I'm

2606
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 5: taking that into consideration. What if they all win on Saturday?

2607
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 5: How closer are they? I kind of feel like a

2608
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 5: mirror is closer than we are.

2609
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh in that sense, Yes, he's higher, he's higher ranked, right,

2610
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: so I mean.

2611
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 4: Wang Tong I feel like could fight for a title.

2612
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 4: I just don't know if she's too old to get there,

2613
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like I think she's like

2614
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 4: mid thirty. So but uh guys, that was it that

2615
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 4: was ranked that car. We enjoyed it.

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01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 1: It was fun, all right, before you go, Long Island

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Speaker 1: plug again, what you're doing this weekend so the folks

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Speaker 1: can know.

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Speaker 5: So we got a new episode of prop Quiz dropping

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Speaker 5: in twenty eight minutes, Danny Segura taking on Chuck Mindenhall.

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Speaker 4: Really fun. One comes down to the last question.

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Speaker 5: Make sure you tune in doing a full card watch

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Speaker 5: along tomorrow five pm Eastern UFC Vegas one thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Baby, you already know main card minute tune in catch

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Speaker 4: you guys.

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Speaker 1: There you have it, Aaron, for your coverage plan for

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Speaker 1: the weekend, what do you got going on?

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Speaker 2: I'm not a whole lot basically, just gonna be tracking

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Speaker 2: the event as it happens. I'm not sure if I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be doing anything on Sports Net on Saturday because

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Speaker 2: the Olympics are starting, so I think things are set

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Speaker 2: to rev up in that sense. Yeah, so either way,

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