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Speaker 3: It starts like anything else. You know, you work for

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Speaker 3: So you set up your own office and now you're

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Speaker 5: Poposer Previously on Heidi World, Heidi Flice has gone from

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Speaker 5: beautiful women. Welcome to Heidi World. Chapter four. How Heidi

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Speaker 5: got Madame Alex's Little Black Book and what she did

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Speaker 5: Like the functionally useless black Book, Alex had received herself

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Speaker 1: When a guy tells you how much he loves you

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Speaker 5: While Heidi had never thought about going into the sex

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Speaker 5: Heidi understands that there are covert networks beautiful young women

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Speaker 5: Even though there are other Madams competing to take over

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Speaker 5: She pays the new Heidi Girls in cash as well

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Speaker 2: I change the rules.

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Speaker 1: I tell the guys you get what you pay for.

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Speaker 5: Madame Alex is understandably pissed. She feels betrayed by Heidi.

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Speaker 1: What took her years to build I built in one.

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Speaker 2: Although she undoubtedly could have gone.

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Speaker 1: To a successful white collar career, Lisa was terminally impatient.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't wait to be rich Beverly Hills rich. Lissa

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Speaker 2: Of Alex's stars.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, a child of Los Angeles, was as starstruck as

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Speaker 5: Then Lissa is off to her next gig, shitting on

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Speaker 1: Alex loved Lissa's sense of humor, her flair for gossip,

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Speaker 1: Also, Alex was very maternal towards the young Lissa, who

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Speaker 1: Yet, Lisa had nothing left, not after her three thousand

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Speaker 1: What was it going to be like at thirty when

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Speaker 5: this trend is Michael J. Fox's young conservative character Alex P.

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Speaker 5: Heidi was clearly drawn to money like a moth to

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Speaker 5: hustler whose addictive personality matched perfectly with gambling. She gambled high,

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Speaker 5: The difference between Heidi Flies and someone like Jordan Belfort

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Speaker 5: The sex work ring that Heidi Flies ran was entirely consensual,

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Speaker 5: Bernie Cornfeld, gave her.

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Speaker 4: She stolen my business, my books, my girls, my guys,

434
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: and now finally she's stolen my jewels. She's told people

435
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: she wants to be the Madame Alex of her generation. Ha,

436
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 4: She'll never be me. When I gave it up, it

437
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 4: took seven ladies to do what I did, all by myself.

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Speaker 4: Alex Fleming Madam.

439
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Speaker 5: There's an old saying in Los Angeles that you can

440
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 5: get into almost any party if you bring a few

441
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: beautiful young girls, especially if you are also a beautiful

442
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 5: young girl yourself. Heidi had a vision for what the

443
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 5: ideal Heidie girl looked like, just as Madame Alex had

444
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 5: a more outdated set of stiling rules for hers. Like Alex's,

445
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 5: Heidi's specifications were based on her own taste and ideals.

446
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: Heidi's dream employee was a girl who looked naturally expensive

447
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: the way rich girls do, groomed, styled chic, but not

448
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: try hard, and because Heidi was who she was, the

449
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 5: Heidi girl had a bit of gen X's grit, a

450
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: sharp stare maybe or a dead pan wit. Her ideal

451
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: look was described as clean cut, perfect like. She was

452
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: born and raised in Beverly Hills, So by nineteen ninety one,

453
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: Heidi Flies has somewhere around five hundred clean cut and

454
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: perfect but also cool and sexy girls working for her.

455
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: Word spreads among ce producers, actors, rock stars, and anyone

456
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 5: else who can afford it that Heidie's girls are the best.

457
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 5: Heidi charges clients about fifteen hundred dollars a night, which

458
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: is about two eight hundred dollars today, of which she

459
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: took forty percent. She was soon clearing three hundred thousand

460
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: dollars a week, which would be slightly over half a

461
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: million now.

462
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: The men gave huge gifts.

463
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: One girl got two apartment buildings completely paid off, no mortgage.

464
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Now their income for her. She owns apartment buildings.

465
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: At prices like those The sex had to be unreal.

466
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: As with all luxury branding, Heidie's pricing said to customers

467
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: that they were being offered something better than what the

468
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: pleabs buying pussy on the street could get. Meanwhile, Heidi

469
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: reported an income of thirty three thousand dollars a year

470
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 5: and listed her job as counselor on her nineteen ninety

471
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Speaker 5: two tax returns.

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Speaker 1: When you are a madam, you are always working. That

473
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: is the way it has to be if you want

474
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Speaker 1: to be successful in this business.

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00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: The more people pay, the more they tend to believe

476
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: it is worth. And when you are dealing in a

477
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: commodity that is in as high as a demand as sex,

478
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: sell to the highest bidder. Heidi was catering specifically to

479
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 5: a subset of rich Hollywood dickheads coming off the greed

480
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: as good eighties in film. These were the archetypal American

481
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 5: psycho yuppies. They had the most expensive sound systems, the

482
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: most expensive cocaine, the most expensive glass brick mansions in

483
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 5: the hills. Naturally, they also wanted to buy the most

484
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: expensive sex. It worked like a charm. Heidi and her

485
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 5: Heidi Girls, as she called them, were in demand all

486
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: over the wealthy enclaves of La. Instead of a black book,

487
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: she allegedly kept her client list in a twenty eight

488
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: pece red Gucci planner.

489
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. Of course, looking back,

490
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: you see how stupid you were. It's easier to look

491
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: at all your mistakes.

492
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: But I definitely say, if you're going to live in La,

493
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't see how anyone can do it better than

494
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: I did.

495
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: You want to go out to every night club, you

496
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: want to meet famous people, have sex.

497
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: With different people, eat at the best places, all that

498
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, And I don't see how it could

499
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: have been any more fun, that is for sure.

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00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: When Heidi World returns, Heidi decides to buy a house

501
00:31:38,560 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: in the hills. Welcome back to Heidie World. Heidiflice is

502
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: making so much money, she decides to buy a house,

503
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: and not just any house. Her dream house, an enormous

504
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: one point six million dollar mansion that was formerly owned

505
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 5: by Michael Douglas with a Beverly Hill zip code at

506
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: the very top of the Santa Monica Mountains on Tower

507
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 5: Grove Drive. This was another trick she learned from Madame Alex.

508
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 5: Clients need to be impressed by your zip code, even

509
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 5: if Madame Alex may have overestimated how the clients received

510
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: her army of cats and collections of porcelain kitch. The

511
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 5: Tower Grove Drives house's location is perfect for Heidi. It's

512
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: high enough above the city to see the glittering lights below,

513
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 5: but just half a mile from her stomping grounds on

514
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 5: the Sunset Boulevard. It's remote enough to throw raucous parties

515
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: without pissing off neighbors or attracting cops, but it's close

516
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 5: enough for clubbing. To buy such an expensive house herself

517
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: at such a young age, Heidi needs a co signer,

518
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: so her father, Paul Flice, agrees to help her out.

519
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: He puts his name down after being convinced by Heidi

520
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 5: the house is an investment property. Remember, Heidi has told

521
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: her parents she's working as a realtor like her friend's mother,

522
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 5: Elaine Young. It seems like her parents had no reason

523
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: not to believe her. She was making a lot of money, sure,

524
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 5: but high end realtors were known to She wanted to

525
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 5: buy an expensive house, but it seemed like she could

526
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: afford it with how well she was doing. The whole

527
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 5: family was very proud of her for finally following through

528
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: on something. Not long after, Heidi and her operation are

529
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: firmly ensconced at her new mansion, Madame Alex calls Heidi

530
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: and says she will have her revenge. She's on probation

531
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: after a plea bargain, but her legal bills have gobbled

532
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: all her madaming profits and the catering business she started

533
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: is not taking off. Rather than take this as a

534
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: warning shot from Madame Alex and laylow collecting her checks,

535
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 5: what does Heidie Flies do? Instead? She throws a gigantic

536
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 5: house party for Mick Jagger to chrisen her new place

537
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: in the hills.

538
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: There was one party for Mick Jagger and the house

539
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: just got thrashed. There were women climbing up the side

540
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: of the hill to get in.

541
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 7: She knows major, major people but I never asked what

542
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 7: was going on in that other part of her life.

543
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: I figured that was her private thing.

544
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: Victoria Sellers, Heidi's best.

545
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: Friend, Allegedly guests at the birthday party for Mick Jagger

546
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 5: included Jack Nicholson, Prince Johnny Depp, and the Red Hot

547
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: Chili Peppers. Because I am an incredible journalist, I decided

548
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 5: to message Flee the basis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers,

549
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 5: who follows me for some reason, and ask if he

550
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 5: remembered anything about party at Heidie Flie's house. Flee, who

551
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: was kind enough to respond, said he'd never been a

552
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: guest of Heidie's, which means either he wasn't at this party,

553
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: but maybe some other PEPs like Anthony Keatis were. He

554
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 5: doesn't remember it because it was the early nineties and

555
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 5: he was in the Red Hot Chili Peppers, or he

556
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 5: didn't know it was Heidie's house or her party. The

557
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 5: last one also seems plausible, because this just sounds like

558
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 5: the kind of legendary rager where nobody knew who was

559
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: throwing it, just that it was a Beverly Hills mansion

560
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 5: party and that Mick Jagger was there. Flee did also

561
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 5: say that while he had no recollection of being at

562
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: this party, Heidie's father, doctor Paul Flies, was his daughter's pediatrician,

563
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 5: proving my theory once again that La is a small town,

564
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 5: especially Los Pheelis Flee also wrote a great book called

565
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: Acid for the Children that you'll like if you like

566
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: this podcast that's also about California children of the counterculture.

567
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety one, someone at Columbia Pictures allegedly asks

568
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 5: Heidi to bring some girls to the Columbia Pictures Hall

569
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: party that year, which she allegedly does. She allegedly supplies

570
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 5: some girls for Charlie Sheen's birthday party, and through it all,

571
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: of course, she goes out clubbing. Heidi can be found

572
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: regularly at Monkey Bar, a windowless restaurant on Beverly Co

573
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 5: owned by Jack Nicholson where the stars hang out. Heidi

574
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 5: and her crew also frequent a West Hollywood dance club

575
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 5: called The Roxbury, which is the club that the SNL

576
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 5: Sketchen movie A Night at the Roxbury refer to. In

577
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: December of nineteen ninety two, Heidi's friend Benita Money, an

578
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 5: actress who appeared in Doctor Dres Let Me Ride video

579
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 5: and later executive produce the DMX and Jetly movie Cradle

580
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 5: to the Grave, gets in a public shoving match outside

581
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 5: the club with Beverly Hills nine oh two to one

582
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 5: O actress Shannon Doherty after her castmate Brian Austin Green

583
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 5: supposedly steps on Money's boyfriend's toes. One night on a

584
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 5: double date with Victoria Sellers, Heidi ends up hanging out

585
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: on the Rocks, a room on the second floor of

586
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 5: the Roxy used occasionally for parties. This gives Hidi another

587
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: idea a club that she can use as her office

588
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: to screen clients and host parties.

589
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: As I looked around the room, I noticed it resembled

590
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: a cozy living room. It had deep, thick comfortable couches,

591
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: unique shaped table, sexy candle lighting, and custom made area rugs.

592
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: It had a long bar on one side of the

593
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: room that faced huge windows overlooking.

594
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: The action on the sunset strip. I thought this would

595
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: be the perfect setting for a nightclub.

596
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 5: Luckily, Victoria's stepfather, Lou Adler, owns the Roxy, so together

597
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 5: Victoria and Heidi take over the upstairs part and start

598
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: a club at on the Rocks. Heidi's sojourn into the

599
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 5: nightclub industry lasts about six months, but it helps cement

600
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: her brand amidst LA's hard partying, rich client how.

601
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: On the Rocks made my business easier for a few reasons.

602
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: The word spread that if a girl wanted to meet Heidi,

603
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: she could go to On the Rocks on a certain night.

604
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: This cut down on all the traffic at my house.

605
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: On many nights, I'd walk in and look at the

606
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: area where I sat and there would be twenty to

607
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: thirty girls waiting to meet me. Sometimes it was uncomfortable

608
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: turning down a girl in my house, but the activity

609
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: in the nightclub that made it easier.

610
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: It was a party. We let in who we wanted,

611
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were upset.

612
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: A lot of people were jealous because we had the key.

613
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: Like Madame Alex before her, Heidi understood that she was

614
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: selling men a fantasy image as much as a material good.

615
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 5: They wanted to see the hedonistic Hollywood, Babylon and the

616
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: La party girls they'd heard so much about, and Heidi

617
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: knew just what to show them.

618
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: When men came in from out of town, they'd call

619
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: me and ask, where is the cool place to go?

620
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: They wanted to see the beautiful girls and the hit people,

621
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Speaker 1: and I tell them to go to on the rocks.

622
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: All the different people frequenting the club made it the

623
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: quintessential La fantasy. I'd make sure they were treated well,

624
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: and they'd make sure I was paid well.

625
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 5: Heidi maybe having the greatest success of her life with

626
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: her career, but it's not translating to better odds in

627
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 5: her love life. She is still entangled with the disgusting

628
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: Yvonne naj in a toxic on and off relationship where

629
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: he regularly abuses her verbally and physically. On a break

630
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 5: with Yvonne, Heidi reconnects with the high school sweetheart and

631
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: thinks real romance is finally nigh, until it turns out

632
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: he just wants her help pay off an eighty thousand

633
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 5: dollars gambling debt. Madame Alex meanwhile, is having her own

634
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 5: financial woes. She had to sell as many of her

635
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 5: assets as she could to pay her legal bills. After

636
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 5: Madame Alex vacated sixteen fifty four Doheny Drive, it was

637
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 5: bought by Shannon Doherty, who allegedly trashed the place and

638
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 5: moved out in the middle of the night with fourteen

639
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 5: thousand dollars in rent. Due In November of nineteen ninety two,

640
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Speaker 5: Madame Alex has a friend get robbed for the bag

641
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 5: of precious jewels she had stashed at his house. She

642
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: is fully convinced that Heidi is responsible, although it will

643
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: turn out to be completely unrelated. When Alex's nest egg

644
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: of jewels gets stolen, she calls up The La Times

645
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 5: from her bed and talks to a reporter named Sean Hubler.

646
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Speaker 5: Alex tells Hubler that she had half a million dollars

647
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Speaker 5: worth of diamonds, sapphires, pearls, and Cardier watches in a

648
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 5: tan Louis Vuitton bag. The bag of jewels was stashed

649
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 5: at the house of her friend, producer David Niviven Junior,

650
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: the son of British actor David Niven and allegedly one

651
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: of Alex's own paramours. David Niven Junior tells police that

652
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: two bag men showed up at his house pretending to

653
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: be ups delivery, held him at gunpoint and hogtied him,

654
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 5: asking for Alex's bag of jewels. He directed them to

655
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 5: the guest bathroom of his bel Air mansion, where Alex's

656
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: jewels were in the Louis Vuitton bag. They took the

657
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 5: bag and ran, leaving Niven to wiggle himself free and

658
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 5: call the police. The LAPD wouldn't confirm Alex's story and

659
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: told Hubler that Alex was an unreliable narrator. When Alex

660
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: talks to Sean Hubler, she directly names Heidi Flie as

661
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 5: the person she thinks contracted the gunmen to steal the

662
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: bag of jewels and then give Sean Hubler Heidi's number.

663
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: This is where I fucked my whole life up.

664
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 5: Heidi not only picks up the phone, she unwisely starts

665
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: talking to shit Hubler. She must have known talking to

666
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: the press was a bad idea, but she can't help herself.

667
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: She wants to defend herself to clear her own name,

668
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 5: and she and Alex are locked in a sort of

669
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 5: toxic duel of egos. So Heidi gets on the phone

670
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 5: with Sean Hubler to tell her about what Alex calls

671
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 5: the whore Wars. Furthermore, she invites Sean Hubler to come

672
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: talk to her at home on the condition that her

673
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: name not be used in the story. Heidi is also

674
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 5: very paranoid about wiretapping because she and Ivonnage are allegedly

675
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 5: wiretapping each other and their various enemies for future blackmail.

676
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 5: Without naming her, Hubler describes exactly the Heidi we have

677
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: come to know.

678
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 8: In the spare, elegant living room of her Benedict Canyon home.

679
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 8: Adam's rival denies any connection with the theft brash as

680
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 8: your kid's sister, dark haired and stick figure thin, the

681
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 8: new Beverly Hills Madam if Madame is what you can

682
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 8: call a twenty something party girl in boots and jeans,

683
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 8: sinks back into the cushions of a designer love seat

684
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 8: and puts on a feral smile. Sean Hubler, journalist.

685
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: Hubler clocks Heidi's Decorps two a copy of Penthouse magazine

686
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: on the coffee table with a member of the brat

687
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: pack on it, probably the January nineteen ninety three issue

688
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: with Charlie Sheen on the cover. There are young, tan

689
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: blonde women hanging out ambiently at the mansion. The phone

690
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: rings off the hook, but Heidi only picks up one

691
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: call from her father, Paul Flie, and says she'll call

692
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 5: him back in a little bit. Heidi tells Sean Hubler

693
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: she didn't steal Alex's nest egg. She doesn't need to.

694
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 5: Her Madaming business is going great. Alex just can't deal

695
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 5: with the fact that she's done. This isn't the first

696
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: time Heidi makes the mistake of talking to the press,

697
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: and it won't be the last. Despite her huge profit

698
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: intake from Madaming in the hundreds of thousands of dollars,

699
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 5: Heidi spends ever fast than she earns, which will come

700
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: to bite her in the ass. Later in October nineteen

701
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: ninety two, she almost blows her cover when an unknown

702
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 5: woman calls a fancy Beverly Hills clothing store and buys

703
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 5: a bunch of gift certificates with a credit card from

704
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 5: a third party. Then Heidi shows up with a friend

705
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 5: and spends the gift certificates, racking up twenty thousand dollars

706
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 5: worth of clothes. The person whose credit card it was

707
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: noticed the charges and called the cops, who took in

708
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 5: Heidi on possible grand theft charges.

709
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 2: It was just some girl and a salesperson. They set

710
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: me up for.

711
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Some credit card fraud thing. It was really ridiculous. I like,

712
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm not that type. I wear sweatpants if I'd wanted

713
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: to at one time, I could buy Porsches and line

714
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: them from my house all the way to Nieman Marcus.

715
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 5: All right, let's take a moment to talk about another

716
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: charismatic Jewish person deeply associated with the city of Los Angeles.

717
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: David Lee Roth, the original lead singer of the band

718
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 5: Van Halen. Roth was, like Heidi Flice, a charismatic, talkative,

719
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 5: and funny jew who spent his formative years in the

720
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: suburbs of Los Angeles. He also came from a bohemian family.

721
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 5: His uncle, Manny Roth, founded Greenwich Village's influential beatnik folk club,

722
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: Cafe Wa, where countless acts were launched, including Bob Dylan.

723
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 5: David Lee Roth was born in Indiana and shuffled off

724
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: to Pasadena in his teens. At Pasadena City College, he

725
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 5: met Edward Ludwick van Halen and his brother, the Dutch

726
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 5: Indonesian musical Prodigies, with whom he would form the band

727
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 5: Van Halen many years later in the early nineties. Van

728
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 5: Halen is one of the biggest musical acts in the world,

729
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: and their lead singer is Sammy Hagar. But David Lee

730
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 5: Roth is enjoying a pretty successful solo career, if not

731
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 5: the height of success he enjoyed with Van Halen. Roth,

732
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 5: one of the all time presences on the Sunset Strip,

733
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: has decamped from not just La but California entirely in

734
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 5: the early nineties to the city of New York. In

735
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 5: a YouTube video monologue from twenty twelve called Romance, David

736
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: Lee Roth tells a story about a girl that he

737
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: met in New York at what he calls a face

738
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 5: place called bar Toabac. According to David Lee Roth's story,

739
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 5: he and Charlie Sheen were hanging out one night, allegedly

740
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 5: chopping up coke with the butt of a gun as

741
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: you do, and talking about the women in their lives.

742
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 5: Roth says he's seeing a corn fed girl next door

743
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 5: type in New York who likes to wear schoolgirl outfits,

744
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: which is not his particular kink. Despite hot for teacher.

745
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 5: This woman is always flying out to work in Los Angeles,

746
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: where she sees a client who likes his girls and

747
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 5: schoolgirl outfits. Through this conversation, David Lee Roth and Charlie

748
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 5: Sheen realized they are both seeing the same girl, a

749
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 5: Heidi girl, most likely some anthe burdette based on the description.

750
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I would lie down to go to sleep

751
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: at night, I would think about the girls I had

752
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: out there, santro Pey, London, Las Vegas, the Peninsula, Hotel, Acapulco,

753
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: New York, and all the money they would make and

754
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: all the money I would make, and it would make

755
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: me feel so good.

756
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 5: Let's also talk about one alleged Heidi girls story. Before

757
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 5: she became a Heidi Girl. There's a woman named Brandy

758
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: McLain who worked for Heidi. She was busted in the

759
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: eventual raid more on that later and managed the hidiwear store.

760
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 5: Also more on that later. So there's also a Brandy

761
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: McLain who was involved with a famous early skateboarding star

762
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 5: with a crazy, fucked up story. It's seems likely that

763
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 5: they are the same Brandy McLain, but I couldn't confirm it.

764
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 5: Heidi's Brandy McLain was a San Diego Community college student

765
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 5: who worked for her on weekends. Her Brandy from San

766
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 5: Diego seems to match up with the story of this

767
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 5: Brandy from San Diego. Allegedly, Brandy McLain was a seventeen

768
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 5: year old blonde from a wealthy Arizona family in nineteen

769
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 5: eighty seven, when she and her best friend Jessica Bergston,

770
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 5: another beautiful, blonde, rich girl, met a pro skateboarder named

771
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 5: Mark gaitor Anthony who was passing through town on a

772
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 5: skate tour. Gaiteror and Brandy spent the weekend together partying,

773
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: and he started flying her out from Tucson, where they'd met,

774
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: to San Diego, where he lived. He invited her to

775
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: move in with him for good at his new Mountain

776
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 5: skate ranch, next to his friend Tony Hawk, who, along

777
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 5: with Gator, was one of skating's big breakthrough stars in

778
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: the eighties. Brandy didn't like being isolated at the ranch,

779
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 5: so they moved to a condo in the beach town

780
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 5: of Carlsbad, where they could spend days at the beach

781
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 5: and nights partying and bar hopping.

782
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 6: We would get high every night.

783
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 7: We wouldn't do cook every night, but we'd do bong

784
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 7: hit or we'd go to the sandbar at the end

785
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 7: of his street and get fucked up. Then we'd hang

786
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 7: out in his DACUZI get drunk off our asses and

787
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 7: go in and.

788
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 6: Have wild sex all night. Brandy McClain.

789
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 5: Gator flew Brandy out with him to skate competitions around

790
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 5: the world, he brought her two cars. Gator's friends, including

791
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 5: his brother, saw Brandy as a gold digger, but also

792
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: thought the couple were genuinely in love. Brandy appeared in

793
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 5: his skate videos and modeled with him in his Vision

794
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 5: skatewear print ads. The couple also appeared together in the

795
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: music video for Tom Petty's free Fallen during the skate

796
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 5: Ram sequence. But Gator's dominance as a skater quickly waned

797
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 5: as he was out shown by new skaters elaborating on

798
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 5: the tricks he and Tony Hawk made famous for skating

799
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: like he did was being overtaken by street skating, leaving

800
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 5: skaters like Gaiter behind in the dust. Then he fell

801
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: out of a window in Germany on tour and became

802
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: a born again Christian, which Brandy did not care for.

803
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 5: He tried bringing her to church, but he also didn't

804
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 5: want to have sex with her anymore until they were married.

805
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 6: We literally had sex five times a day. We were

806
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 6: so in love.

807
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 7: Then he started saying, we can't have sex unless we

808
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 7: get married, and I'm like, wait a minute.

809
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 6: We've been going out for.

810
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 7: Four years, having mad sex for four years.

811
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 6: We can't have sex anymore. I can't deal with this.

812
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: Later, Brandy broke up with Gator and moved in with

813
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 5: her mother, who also lived in San Diego. She started

814
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 5: dating other people, and Gateror responded in a way that

815
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 5: didn't really go with his new saintly demeanor, by calling

816
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 5: her mom's house and leaving messages saying Brandy was a

817
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: cunt who would fry in hell. Brandy came back to

818
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 5: her mom's house one evening to find a window broken

819
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 5: into and all of Gator's gifts to her now gone.

820
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 5: She even tried to patch it up, but Gator was

821
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: too far gone and picked a fight with her the

822
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: moment she got in his car.

823
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 6: He was still so mad about the guy I was seeing.

824
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 7: He's the one that told me to go out and

825
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 7: find one of my surfer friends to party with. So

826
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 7: I did, and I found this hot, little blondsurfer guy

827
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 7: six one, and Mark was furious. He was driving out

828
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 7: in the middle of this nowhere road out where my

829
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 7: parents live, and he turned to me with this really

830
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 7: scary serious look at his eye, and his voice got

831
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 7: all deep, you know, and he.

832
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 6: Sounded like the devil.

833
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 7: He says, you know what, I should take you out

834
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 7: of the desert, right now I should drive you out

835
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 7: right in the middle of the night and beat the

836
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 7: shit out of you and leave you there, and I

837
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 7: would get away with it because everybody would know that

838
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 7: you deserve it. I started crying, begging him to take

839
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 7: me home, like right now, I'm like, my mother knows

840
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 7: where I am, and he took me back.

841
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 5: To get back at Brandy for dumping him, Gator murdered

842
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: her best friend, Jessica Bergston, who he somehow believed bore

843
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 5: the responsibility for his breakup with mclan. He equivocated the

844
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 5: two best friends in his head, both tall, gorgeous, free

845
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 5: spirited Arizona blondes. He told the police that Brandy and

846
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 5: Jessica were of the same mold and that he hated

847
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 5: them both. Gaiter, increasingly fanatical about God as his career diminished,

848
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 5: had lost the plot heads up if you want to

849
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 5: skip ahead about thirty seconds through a very violent and

850
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 5: fucked up part of the story, Gater tied up and

851
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: raped Jessica Bergston, beating her with a steering wheel lock.

852
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: He got paranoid that neighbors would hear her screaming for help,

853
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 5: so he strangled her inside a surfboard bag. There's a

854
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 5: great documentary by Helen Stickler about this story called Stoked

855
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 5: The Rise and Fall of Gator. Patricia Arquette also tweeted

856
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 5: that she once went on a date with Gator where

857
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 5: she got a bad feeling and gave him a fake number.

858
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 5: A few years later, he murdered Jessica Bergston.

859
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Speaker 7: She was an incredibly intelligent, free spirited girl. She wanted

860
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 7: to have fun and nothing else mattered. We would go

861
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 7: to Mexico together and she would get so drunk that

862
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Speaker 7: she would leave me there if I couldn't get into

863
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 7: bars because we were under age and had big IDs,

864
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 7: she would leave me outside for three hours waiting while

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Speaker 7: she'd drank.

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Speaker 6: But we were best friends. We were very much alike.

867
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 7: It was like, we're going to have the very best lives,

868
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Speaker 7: and we're going to have them now.

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Speaker 5: So if it is the same Brandy MacLean, she would

870
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 5: have started working for Heidi a few years after all

871
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 5: of this horrible shit happened. There's a harmful stereotype that

872
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 5: only traumatized women get into sex work, which is obviously

873
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 5: not true. Something that has always stayed with me is

874
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 5: something the porn to director Jackie Saint James said to

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Speaker 5: me defending the porn industry, which is that there are

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Speaker 5: traumatized women and domestic abuse survivors in every industry on Earth.

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00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 5: But there's a tendency, particularly in mainstream media, to project

878
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 5: all of the world's badness and exploitation onto the sex industry,

879
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 5: as if workers can't be exploited in any industry. A

880
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 5: high paying sex work job and a safe environment like

881
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 5: Heidi provided is not exploitative. What is exploitative is, let's say,

882
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: forcing warehouse workers to have to piss in jars. By

883
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 5: the end of nineteen ninety two, Heidi seemingly has it all,

884
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 5: despite many looming dark clouds, a successful business, more money

885
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: than she knows what to do with, and a sorority

886
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 5: house full of Heidi girls to party with every night.

887
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 5: She is even allegedly dating her movie star crush, James Khan,

888
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: who is technically married. Titi tells friends she visits James

889
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 5: Kahn on the Texas set of nineteen ninety two Neo

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 5: Noir Flesh and Bone. James Kahn later will deny that

891
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 5: this ever happened. Tidi is making money almost faster than

892
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: she can spend it. She loves spending it because she

893
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: knows if she gets caught, it'll all go up and smoke.

894
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 5: She loves thinking about how the money stacks up around

895
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 5: the globe as she sleeps. She sends a girl for

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00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: a date on the East Coast who calls concerned about

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00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 5: how she's supposed to carry eighty thousand dollars in cash

898
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 5: that might seem suspicious to authorities. So Heidi tells her

899
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 5: to strap the money all over her body to get

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00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 5: through the airport, and she gets through fine. The eighty

901
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 5: thousand dollars was for a single blowjob.

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Speaker 2: Anytime is the right time. Everyone is the most beautiful

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Speaker 2: woman on Earth.

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Speaker 5: Next time on Heidi World, Heidi's high end escort service

905
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: hits its peak and encounters some steep precipices and gets

906
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 5: ever more careless about running her mouth.