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Speaker 1: Hey guys. Here we are back on normally this show

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Speaker 1: with normalish takes for when the news gets weird. Here

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Speaker 1: in the second week of the new Trump administration. I'm

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 2: Ham, I'm Carol Markowitz. Mary Catherine, I will tell you

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Speaker 2: that when you go to dinner and you don't look

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Speaker 2: at your phone for three hours and Donald Trump decides

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Speaker 2: that America is taking over Gaza, you will return to

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Speaker 2: eleven hundred texts and our friend Bethany Mandel calling me

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Speaker 2: like as I'm still like, I haven't looked at my

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Speaker 2: phone yet, and she's like can you believe this? And

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Speaker 2: I was like what And she's like, are you messing

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Speaker 2: with me? Like you really haven't.

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Speaker 1: Seen you really don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what she's about to tell me, And

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Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, Trump announced that the US is taking

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Speaker 2: over Gaza. I did not see that one coming. I

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Speaker 2: got to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I was on Special Report last night on Fox News

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Speaker 1: and I was asked to comment on the press conference

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Speaker 1: before the press conference began, and I just think I

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Speaker 1: prefer that position to being thrown on right after he

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Speaker 1: said that, because yeah, I needed a minute to process that,

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Speaker 1: as did as did many people so now we're in

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Speaker 1: the next day of the US taking over new processing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for sure, you know what's so interesting. So

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Speaker 2: we record the day before the show was released, and

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Speaker 2: on Monday, when we were recording Tuesday's episode, we made

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Speaker 2: a conscious decision not to talk about the tariffs because

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Speaker 2: we said, who knows if this will still be going

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Speaker 2: on tomorrow. We had that vibe and we were one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent right. By the next day, tariffs, the tariff

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Speaker 2: threat had ended, and you know, people were selling shirts

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Speaker 2: like I survived the trade war and it was the

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Speaker 2: one day trade war. So similarly, there is some chance

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Speaker 2: that by the time this episode comes out, this will

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Speaker 2: have completely moved. And the episode comes down tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 2: not like it's coming out next week. But anything could

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Speaker 2: happen in the next twenty four hours. Trump could you know,

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Speaker 2: say haha, I mean it. Trump could send troops, so

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Speaker 2: there's you know, Trump could release designs for like Trump

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Speaker 2: casino Gaza.

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Speaker 1: All things are possible, All things are possible. This is yes,

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Speaker 1: this is a good sort of rule of thumb for

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Speaker 1: following Trump. And then it's not to endorse the sort

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Speaker 1: of chaos element of this. We can be disruptive in

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Speaker 1: and of itself in ways that are bad, in ways

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Speaker 1: that are good. But you should try to metabolize the

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Speaker 1: news for twenty four hours before you assume the absolute

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Speaker 1: worst of the thing that came out of his men, right,

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Speaker 1: or that or that that thing is actually materially moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Just as a practical matter, that is one of the

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Speaker 1: ways to deal with this. It was Let's let's play

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Speaker 1: a little clip of him with the UH with the

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Speaker 1: big idea from the press conference with Prime Minister Nettina

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Speaker 3: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we

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Speaker 3: will do a job with it too. We'll own it

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Speaker 3: and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded

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Speaker 3: bombs and other weapons on the site. Level the site

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Speaker 3: and get rid of the destroyed buildings. Level it out,

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Speaker 3: create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of

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Speaker 3: jobs and housing for the people of the area. Do

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Speaker 3: a real job, do something different. Just can't go back.

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Speaker 3: If you go back, it's going to end up the

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Speaker 3: same way it has for one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, I believe Trump watched the videos of the October

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Speaker 2: seventh atrocities and in preparation of that. When they said

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Speaker 2: that Trump was going to watch it, some people were

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Speaker 2: commenting things like Trump is going to nuke Gaza after

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Speaker 2: he sees this because the atrocities were so hard and

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Speaker 2: so awful, and just I couldn't make it through five

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Speaker 2: minutes of this video. It's the worst things you've ever

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Speaker 2: seen ever. Even just reading the descriptions makes me want

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Speaker 2: to vomit. So it's very possible that he watched that

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Speaker 2: movie and was like, Nope, this could never happen again,

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Speaker 2: and this is how we're going to do it. He

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Speaker 2: has a very real estate minded background. He sees this

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Speaker 2: can easily see the leap that he made. I wonder

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Speaker 2: if Natanya, who knew before the press conference, what do

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Speaker 1: Well, I do know that Natanya, who had in the

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Speaker 1: previous days, extended his trip through this weekend. And that's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me because it seems that Trump has been

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Speaker 1: very He was very chatty on this subject yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much they were chatting about what was

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Speaker 1: going to come out of his mouth. Yes, we don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was a total surprise. It was a

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Speaker 1: the Biden approach was really stuck in the two state

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Speaker 1: solution model, as all left of center and good progressives are,

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Speaker 1: although a lot of state paleside.

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Speaker 2: So for a while, Yeah, I feel like the two

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Speaker 2: state solution was like the moderate position, maybe even right

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Speaker 2: of center. I think a lot of center people believed

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Speaker 2: in two state and I don't think they do anymore. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Rashida Slaibe tweeted out like where are my two state

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Speaker 2: solution people to speak up against this? And I was like,

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Speaker 2: now you're for the two state solutions. She was very

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Speaker 2: much one state solution.

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Speaker 1: One state solution for Palestine, right, Yeah, Yeah, So I

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Speaker 1: think he's sort of he's acknowledging something that is real,

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Speaker 1: which is that the two state solution of the past,

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Speaker 1: which my issue with liberals was always that the solution

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Speaker 1: and the peace process were more valued than at times

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Speaker 1: than the sovereign entity ally that was Israel. Like the

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Speaker 1: process actually isn't more important than Israel? Sure, and it's

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Speaker 1: right to live as as he's fit. So he's acknowledging

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Speaker 1: that the game has changed here. He's acknowledging that allowing

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Speaker 1: did before is not an option. It's not an acceptable option.

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Speaker 2: It's big, big and obvious, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's and it's something that n Yahoo has said

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Speaker 1: that Hamas must be out of power, according to Yahoo,

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Speaker 1: you have the same problem you had. Therefore, there is

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Speaker 1: a part of this where, you know, we always talk

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Speaker 1: about this is what Trump promised while he was running.

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Speaker 1: One of the upsides for Trump for many people, including

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Speaker 1: many normies, many non ideological people, was he is less

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Speaker 1: likely to put boots on the ground in the Middle

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, look, my biggest problem with this is

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Speaker 1: So we sustained one by the way, we should say,

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Speaker 1: in the Peer debacle, which was a terrible idea from

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Speaker 1: would drop off humanitarian aid in Gaza on the sea side,

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Speaker 1: even though Israel was bringing tons of aid to Gaza

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's exactly it. So I don't want any

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Speaker 2: American troops in the Middle East or in Gaza. This plan,

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Speaker 2: I think, to me, is a forcing a vibe shift,

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Speaker 2: and it already has. So you know, these lunatics have

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Speaker 2: been marching through our cities, globalized the into Fada.

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Speaker 1: They were outside the White House on the other side

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, right, and one of the things that they say is,

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Speaker 2: you know, Palestine will be free from the river to

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Speaker 2: and the river is the River Jordan. And what they're

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Speaker 2: saying is there'll be no Israel and they'll only be

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Speaker 2: When this is over, it's like you have lost your

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Speaker 2: tiny advantage that you had. But the vibe shift is

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Speaker 2: that you're no longer allowed to murder Israelis and then

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Speaker 2: be like, what do we get for this? What's our

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Speaker 2: prize for killing Israelis? Because that's what it's been. It's

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Speaker 2: been they launched some kind of war or an into fada,

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Speaker 2: and then they get their ass beat, and then America

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Speaker 2: makes Israel stop, and then you know, it's a repeat

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Speaker 2: doing is saying, we're going to end this cycle. Jordan, Egypt,

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Speaker 2: help here. These people are going to move to your countries,

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Speaker 2: which you know, Jordan and Egypt and Sadi Arabia obviously

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Speaker 2: much bigger problem for you. You're no longer allowed to

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Speaker 1: Well, and he kind of had h he'd been talking

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Speaker 1: what we imagined he would say in this press conference.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has a way, and I don't think it's strategic. Often,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a gut thing. There's a way of

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Speaker 1: taking a sledgehammer, slash, maybe bulldozer, wrecking ball to the

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Speaker 1: Overton window, which is the concept of like, what's acceptable

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this undermines the Abramahammacords or makes

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Speaker 1: it more possible for us to have more action from

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Speaker 1: Arab states in Gaza. But there has always been a

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Speaker 1: problem of what you do at the end of this war.

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Speaker 1: Even if you get Hamas out, what does it look

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Speaker 1: like to manage that piece of land? Because as we

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Speaker 1: should always note, Israel abandoned Gaza yep. In two thousand

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Speaker 1: some by force, dragged from their homes. And the idea

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Speaker 1: is what ended up.

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Speaker 2: Happening, yep. And what's so crazy about that is, you

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Speaker 2: know what was going on in Gaza what the Palestini

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Speaker 2: up been saying the whole time. They cannot have one

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Speaker 2: Jew living on their land. They cannot have one Israeli.

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Speaker 2: There cannot be anybody except them on their land. And

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Speaker 2: Israel is the ethno state, like Israel's pulled the Ethno state.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Israel has you know, twenty percent Arab in Israel.

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Speaker 2: So the idea that they couldn't have any Jewish population whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: they needed to be cleansed of the Jews in order

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Speaker 2: for them to have their own, you know state in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: and that was like their practice state, and they completely

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Speaker 2: failed at it. You know, this is where we are.

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Speaker 2: And now you're going to have a Donald Trump type

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Speaker 2: keep doing the things we've been doing let's do something else.

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Speaker 2: can't tell you what I did wrong.

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Speaker 1: First Amendment. First moment issues, So I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: making themselves more sympathetic with these lawsuits. And then the

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Speaker 1: last of all, have you seen the resistance in the

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Speaker 1: streets with the flags of foreign countries that people came from,

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Speaker 1: yeah and live here illegally, protesting that they will not

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Speaker 1: be sent back to those countries by ice. Right, It's

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Speaker 1: not win in hearts and minds.

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Speaker 2: Man, It's so bizarre that they think that that's what

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Speaker 2: Americans want to see, Like, we support these countries and

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Speaker 2: we don't want to go back to them either. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know who's who's in favor of that?

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Speaker 1: I not observing the vibe shift shift noticed.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to take a short break and come

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Speaker 2: right back with normally.

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Speaker 1: I believe you have one last major story that we're

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Speaker 1: going to have to metabolize today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, you know, it looks like Trump

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Speaker 2: is moving ahead with ending the Department of Education, and

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Speaker 2: lots of people are all worked up about it. Randy

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Speaker 2: Weingarten took to TV and talked about how he was

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Speaker 2: taking food out of the mouths of children. I don't

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Speaker 2: really know how, but teachers get paid on state and

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Speaker 2: local level anyway, So I don't know if it was

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Speaker 2: the children of the teachers. It was really unclear if

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Speaker 2: she was just frothing. I am super in favor of

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Speaker 2: ending the Department of Education. It's been just decades of

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Speaker 2: really poor policies coming out of there. It's a largely

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Speaker 2: a boondoggle in and of itself. Department of Education's budget

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Speaker 2: for fiscal year twenty twenty five is eighty two point

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Speaker 2: four billion, and the average salary of their workers is

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twelve thousand dollars, fifty six percent higher

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Speaker 2: than the average government employee. I just don't I don't

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Speaker 2: see the purpose of it. Again, and Randy Winegarden admitted

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Speaker 2: this that most education policy is done on a state level.

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Speaker 2: There's really no point to this oversight except another slush

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Speaker 2: fund for their friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Randy Whitegarden is one to talk because she

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Speaker 1: of course endorsed the idea of having schools closed for

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Speaker 1: two years. So what do you know about education and

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Speaker 1: what must be sustained at all costs. Yeah, Look, we

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Speaker 1: had education before the Department of Education existed. There will

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Speaker 1: be parts of the Department of Education that do have

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Speaker 1: to be sustained for continuity for people's services on loans

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But I would note a

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Speaker 1: on Randy's point, the Biden administration tried to take school

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Speaker 1: lunches and school lunch money away from people who didn't

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Speaker 1: back gender ideology and his new Title nine rules, So

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Speaker 1: maybe that's not the great argument for you. Second, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the things that you need continuity for,

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Speaker 1: what they forget about all these federal agencies is that

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Speaker 1: they've been on a COVID schedule for five years and

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Speaker 1: doing things, yes, even worse than the government standard normally is.

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Speaker 2: Which is already quite low.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about like FAFSA, for instance, which

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Speaker 1: was a program for applying for federal aid that went

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Speaker 1: totally haywire this past year. It was under the Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't covered very deeply, but parents were lost

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Speaker 1: for months and months trying to get federal aid through

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Speaker 1: this program. So when the baseline is that, it does

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Speaker 1: become much less scary to people when they say when

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Speaker 1: they see someone saying we're going to end this and

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Speaker 1: just pass it off to the states.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think the argument that the left is going

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Speaker 2: to try to make is exactly what you said, that

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Speaker 2: if we end the education Department, No schools will exist.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yes they will. They'll be fine, they'll be better.

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Speaker 2: There'll be more money to spend on things that actually

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Speaker 2: matter and not bureaucrats in Washington bushing an agenda. I

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Speaker 2: you know again, I'm optimistic on this whole administration working

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Speaker 2: towards cutting things. I think it's really important. And I

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Speaker 2: always wanted to reduce the size of government. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe it's actually happening. I actually am so like. I

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Speaker 2: thought that that side, the cutting government side, lost the battle.

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Speaker 2: I lost the war. Really, I didn't think that was

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Speaker 2: ever going to be a Republican value again, and it's

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Speaker 2: largely elon and I love it well.

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Speaker 1: And this is a part where I have to reassess

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Speaker 1: my take on Trump from years ago, which was like,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't he's not with me on these issues, right,

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Speaker 1: But he's changed. But here we are well, and here

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Speaker 1: we are most importantly getting action on it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: they do say that they are going to try to

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Speaker 1: go to Congress to bolster this effort, because obviously Department

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Speaker 1: education is statutorily created at one point, and I would

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Speaker 1: just like to note that the National Department Education is

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Speaker 1: much like your local school board and departments, and that

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Speaker 1: it has huge amounts of administrative nonsense involved my local

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Speaker 1: school board, which I have noted, or my local school system,

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Speaker 1: which I've noted, is like self emolating on the regular

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Speaker 1: fifty two salaries in the DEI alone for six point

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Speaker 1: four million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just waste that can be cut. And I

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Speaker 2: do think Trump has changed on this. Trump twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: kept saying at his rallies were going to take care

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Speaker 2: of everybody, and I was like, I don't want the

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Speaker 2: government to take care of everybody. I want them to,

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Speaker 2: you know, stand back and like, you know, take care

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Speaker 2: of who need's taken care of. But like relaxed, and

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Speaker 2: it's a different guy. Things have really changed. I like

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Speaker 2: him a lot better than I've ever liked him before.

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Speaker 1: So can I note one last thing. Yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: folks who are working with Elon, there's like this concern

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Speaker 1: about data and security.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you the number of times that the

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Speaker 1: US government has sent me a notice in the past

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Speaker 1: ten years telling me that they lost my stuff and

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Speaker 1: sent it to China. So again, baseline's very low, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible I don't want them to have

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Speaker 1: access to things they shouldn't have access to. Sure, I

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Speaker 1: think it's possible that the Scrolls guy could put in

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Speaker 1: a better security protocol on his lunch break than has

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Speaker 1: existed in the federal government until now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Frank Fleming, who tweets at I am AO on X,

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Speaker 2: he said, what is this obsession with social security numbers? Like,

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Speaker 2: every company in bank has our social security numbers? Do

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Speaker 2: you think Elon Musk wants to commit identity fraud against you?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Yes, what are they thinking? I was going to bring

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Speaker 2: credit cards in our name?

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Speaker 1: I saw a good one from drunk Republican that was,

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Speaker 1: if someone's going to violate my data privacy, I had

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Speaker 1: better be a deep state goon with a history of

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Speaker 1: perjuring himself and not some entrepreneurial autists trying to save

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Speaker 1: me money. That's basically where I am.

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Speaker 2: Love that, and I love those autists, so I do

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Speaker 2: more info on them will be very welcomed. Anybody wants

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Speaker 2: to write some stories. Some glossy magazine features pictures.

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Speaker 1: Give us GQ spread, GQ spread.

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Speaker 2: So I want to know everything about them. Well, thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us on normally Normally Airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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