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Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on? Family. This is Mike Sober, owner

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Speaker 1: of Rockbox Fitness, and this is the NFL Player Second

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Speaker 1: Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player Second

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Speaker 2: Acts Podcast. With me is always my god room. I

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Speaker 2: like the pink socks, the gray top stripe. It matches

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Speaker 2: the shirt and the hair and the shoes like it's

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Speaker 2: a combo.

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Speaker 1: You got to coordinate. You are coordinated, my brother, than

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Speaker 1: you to coordinated? Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, after I worked out this morning, I put

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Speaker 3: this fit together and look look at you. Man, you

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Speaker 3: got the same kind of shoes on it. Why because

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Speaker 3: I already blessed you with them. So let's talk about

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Speaker 3: another blessing. Not only I guess, but also Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 3: were hosting us today in the Panthers' Vision studio.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to them in the NFL for always holding

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Speaker 1: it down. Go ahead, Penat introducer our guests.

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Speaker 2: This next guy played ten years. He was an all

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Speaker 2: pro fullback. His nickname was the toll Dozer. Run's a

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Speaker 2: fitness company called rock Box Fitness. Ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 2: show my toe.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you all for having me.

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Speaker 3: Man, man, my brother, my brother, my man b Hart

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Speaker 3: likes to call him. He doesn't call him told those.

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Speaker 3: He calls him baby D because that's the way he

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Speaker 3: used to play always, you know, like you always had

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Speaker 3: to updated snacks.

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Speaker 1: I definitely did the first. So I'm not gonna call

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Speaker 1: him that baby D. I'm not. No, I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Won't do it. That's you. So what is your uh

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that nickname? How'd you get it?

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Speaker 1: Baby D? No? Well, I like baby D because you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, he took she took charge. I'm taking charge.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I told those was fun.

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Speaker 1: You know. I got a lot of good T shirts

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Speaker 1: made out of it, you know, me riding the tank

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It was fitting. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: like to juke and jo dodge nobody play. So I

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Speaker 3: You know, I always look back and like my memories

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Speaker 3: are told. Number one, he was always in charge of

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Speaker 3: the radio in the locker room. Yes, so he always

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Speaker 3: went around and made his way to say.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what do you want to hear?

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Speaker 3: Like, what's your what's your play to trying to make

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Speaker 3: sure everybody had they moved before the game. And so

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Speaker 3: he always knew mine was awesome by I forget the

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Speaker 3: name of it, but but yeah, so that was always

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Speaker 3: my thing with you, and then your dance moves like

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Speaker 3: you always had some good hips dog. You know, with

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Speaker 3: all due respect, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's always a good dancing guy, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I mean it was you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the football speaks for itself,

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Speaker 1: but it's all about like what you do in the

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Speaker 1: some of the smelling salt, like you need to.

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Speaker 4: Need to relax smelling. I forgot about what we call

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Speaker 4: a books shoot a mom full of it, just telling

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Speaker 1: So it was my job to keep the move, like,

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Speaker 1: for Yeah, how did you even come up with your

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Speaker 1: dance celebrations? Just like you know, you got people that

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Speaker 2: I used to rehearse myself all the time, but I

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Speaker 1: What happened to me too.

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Speaker 3: I would always have something great in mind and then

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Speaker 3: I actually I went back and watched a lot of

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Speaker 3: your highlights, some of your touchdowns, tolding the stinky leg

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got a funny story behind that. So

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Speaker 1: I needed that stanky leg lot man. He called me

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Speaker 1: So it was playing right before we went out, and

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget. We were playing the Baltimore Ravens and

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Speaker 1: I made a play on kickoff and I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: It was good. We've all had double digit years. What

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Speaker 2: Do full box even have a welcome to the NFO woman,

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like you guys are on the on

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Speaker 2: running downhill lead week, You're just like.

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Speaker 1: Just bulldozing crass.

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Speaker 3: But then also early you were running back a little

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Speaker 1: Kind of explained that. Yeah, So coming out, I was undrafted.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Hester was drafted third round out of LSU, you know,

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Speaker 1: same year, same year, two thousand and eight. Yep. So

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Speaker 1: I really went into training camp free like because I

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Speaker 1: I knew that I wouldn't be now lt and Darren

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Speaker 1: moment is just that training camp my rookie year. You know,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, he called me Tubby. He like

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Speaker 1: Tubby staying there? All right? Cool? Right? So I gonna

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Speaker 1: here boom, Me and Tim Dobbins go at it. Three

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Speaker 1: It's Stephen Cooper. You know what I'm saying. Now the

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Speaker 1: two is going versus the ones. Now Stephen Cooper starting

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Speaker 1: I see is coming. Somebody come, big hands just come

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Speaker 1: the helmet. I look up, they say LT. He said, y'all, fella,

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Speaker 1: you keep doing that. You can block for me any day.

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Speaker 1: That's budding it back up, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So that was my I never had like an end game,

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Speaker 3: That leads me right to my question, was your belief

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Speaker 3: You're coming to San Diego, which I'm sure you got

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like you really had a chance?

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Speaker 3: And after that moment, that moment when LT told you that,

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Speaker 1: Down the road. I think I knew I've always believed

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Speaker 1: I've also been a little bit deceptive, you know, faster

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Speaker 1: believed in myself. So we picked me and my agent.

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Speaker 1: We picked San Diego for a reason. You know, they

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, called the pass in the flat score a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I know we need him. I was, okay, Now I

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Speaker 1: belong in this, so I can do this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So ten years a long time, A lot of hits.

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Speaker 2: It's the hardest issue you gave.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Were you just just like oh I own that, like

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Speaker 1: So there's there's two. One was I was still playing

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Speaker 1: It was me and Brady James. Yeah, l s. You

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Speaker 1: gave him the business, gave him all to forty five

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Speaker 1: I had, and he did not like it. It was in Dallas, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was playing here but we were up in Detroit

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Speaker 1: and Steven Talker. I gave him. I gave him, I

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Speaker 1: know that to give you the business. I gave to

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Speaker 1: He looked at me and he was like okay, like

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Speaker 1: I know I got to go now. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: told he's like, man, ten years, I'm rolling along.

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Speaker 1: When did you know it was that time to be

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Speaker 1: ready to hang it up or hang it up? I

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Speaker 1: would I had some let's say I wasn't ready to retire, right,

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Speaker 1: I had some family issues going on that were like

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Speaker 1: for my family. So I mean, I had opportunities, you know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of teams that presented contracts after I left Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: but didn't want to move my family to Seattle, you

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Speaker 1: that type of stuff. So I made a decision to

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Speaker 1: you know, ten years as or noo got enough money.

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Speaker 1: Life is good, you know, so I decided to support

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Speaker 1: my family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things I'm envious of is is

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Speaker 2: Room and how he handled his business when he retire

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Speaker 1: know the game. Then he really sat me down and

432
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: we started going over Okay, so this is an underwing defense,

433
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: this is an oversenk, this is cover two, this is

434
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: cover three, this is a star defense. You look here

435
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: to hear right, Like, he really taught me defenses right,

436
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: and that helped me take my game to the next level.

437
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: That way I can play even faster. So yeah, it

438
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: was it was really playing with him and Darren Sprolls

439
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: was probably the biggest treat that I could have got

440
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: as a rookie coming in because they poured into me,

441
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because the better I did,

442
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: better they did, right, you know what I'm saying. So

443
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: it definitely helped Spros.

444
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I want to know because I'm like, well,

445
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you to rank them, but

446
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: maybe you can tell the differences between LT to Darren

447
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: Sprolls to D'Angelo Williams to Jonathan Stewart, Like those are

448
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 3: four thousand.

449
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Yard guys, all totally different sides of running.

450
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: It's like, what, how would you say the difference was

451
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: even blocking form or just being in the room with him?

452
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so I'll just go like LT was

453
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: was he he was the golden child. You know what

454
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, yeah, we can be in in offensive

455
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: meetings and I do something in the office coordinator look

456
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: at me. I'm talking about custom me slap out and

457
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, coach, ain't me. You know what I'm saying,

458
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: That ain't me. He was like, who is that? Somebody

459
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: that's twenty one? Oh, good job and go to the

460
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: next place. You know what I'm saying. You know what

461
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Spros was kind of the same way. But

462
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: Spros was He's very understated, like he don't he don't

463
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 1: say a lot, He don't mess with a lot of people.

464
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: But if he messed with you, he messed with you know.

465
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: Long forty three. You know what I'm saying. He don't

466
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: say a lot, but I just talked to him another day,

467
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I did too. He don't.

468
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: He don't say a lot, but if you his guy

469
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: and you my guy, it's understood. You know what I'm saying.

470
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: And he works. He pounds for pounds. The strongest person

471
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: I ever met. Like it don't matter what it is.

472
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: It can be bench, squad, clean, head lift. He is

473
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: pound for pounds, the strongest person I've ever met, you

474
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

475
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: And he run hard in practice, like he don't take

476
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: no reps off, goes a million miles for hour, every

477
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 3: single rep. It's punk return takes every rep, kickoff running back.

478
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: He work in California. I worked on him a couple

479
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: of next quest Yeah girls, the Angelo, the Angelo was

480
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: the Angel is more my speed. Like he's a clown.

481
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: He he likes to have fun, you know what I'm saying,

482
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: always laughing, never taking everything anything too serious. But he's

483
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: kind of like Darren in the sense that like he

484
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: practices hard. The Angelo practiced really hard. You know what

485
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's uh, I forget it. What we called it.

486
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: I think it was take it Thursdays or something like that.

487
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: Every time you touched the ball, take it the distance,

488
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it doesn't matter if

489
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: we were inside run, if we were working backed up.

490
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: Every time the end of that drill came, whoever had

491
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: the ball got to take it the distance. Most of

492
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: the time, me and Stuart was like, hey, do you

493
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: get this last rip? You know what I'm saying, because

494
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: we know that he was going to take it the distance,

495
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But like he practiced really hard,

496
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Stu, that's like my brother.

497
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He is a gentle giant.

498
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, he's a gentle giant.

499
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: He plays the game the way I play the game. Fearless,

500
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, going straight downhill, and he

501
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: is faster than a lot of people give him credit for. Yeah,

502
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: he's a I mean he's two forty, but he's running

503
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: four fours, you know what I'm saying. So that's my boy.

504
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: My last question really is who's on your personal amount rushmore?

505
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: So we talked and just overall in life whatever it

506
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: could be. Overall in life, like you've got you had,

507
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: you were an extremely successful person, football business. Just four

508
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: people in your life, football or not that have just

509
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: helped you along the way. Okay hmm. So first off

510
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: is gonna obviously be my mom because single mother that

511
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: did everything, work, two and three jobs, you know, the

512
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: typical story out there that have a lot of people got,

513
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, so she's she's first and highest on that list.

514
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I would say one of my youth coaches, coach Rees,

515
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: that's the Rees he is. He's the reason why I

516
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: made it past middle school football because I was a

517
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: long long time ago. Now, that's what I'm saying. Like

518
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: I was a no go ahead man, and like I was,

519
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I was doing dumb stuff, you

520
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm stealing, I was fighting, I

521
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: was trying to run with the wrong crowd. And he

522
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: was a he was a sheriff you know in Atlanta area,

523
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and like he just took me on his wing. You

524
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He saw potential and not only

525
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: that I could play ball, but I was a good

526
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: kid and I was just doing dumb stuff that kids do.

527
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: So he took me on his wing, and like he

528
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: is like my biggest advocate, whether it's in life, whether

529
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: it's in marriage, whether it's having kids. If I got

530
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I just need to get something off my chest. I

531
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to my wife about it. I

532
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: can call him. We've been on the phone for hours before,

533
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: just talking, you know what I'm saying. So I would say,

534
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Coach Reese is up there, Coach Jim Skipper my running

535
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: bass coach here. Skip is on the own net amount

536
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: Russeimore for me because he is. He taught me the

537
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: business side of the NFL, you know what I'm saying.

538
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: But he honed my my skills, you know, to the

539
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: point where I could elevate to another level. That's when

540
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: the All Pros and Pro Bowls and stuff started coming.

541
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: So I attribute a lot of that to him. He

542
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: never said a word to anybody outside the running back room.

543
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't feel like he didn't really care what he went.

544
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: He wanted my old players. I ain't all that dooking

545
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: and job and y'all got going on. He just was

546
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: like real old. I remember he said his own thing,

547
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: yeah yeah thing, and then my last last one on

548
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: my mom Rushmore is hm hmm. I would say Jerome

549
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Betts better as a as a kid like that was

550
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the epitome of you know what I'm saying, the football

551
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to play. You know he everybody that knows me, No,

552
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: that's that was my favorite player to me. He's the

553
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: greatest running back of all time. I'm gonna get talked

554
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: about for that, you know what I'm saying. But I mean,

555
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the style of play that I know. Like

556
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: big guys with some good feet. Right, I love your

557
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: bus man, you know what I'm saying. I love the

558
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: bus man even you know what I'm saying. I tried

559
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: to wear six in high school, but the jersey was

560
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: too small for me, so they went they I got

561
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: to wear thirty six instead. You know what I'm saying.

562
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Make it a double dig in number, right, why right?

563
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Try to get it. Try to get six again. In

564
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: college at Coastal, somebody senior had it, so I couldn't

565
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: get it, And obviously I wasn't getting it in the league.

566
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: So I had an option between thirty five and forty five,

567
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: so I took the one that was closer to thirty six. Yeah. Now,

568
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: been an All Pro playing ten years. Have you ever

569
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: met him? Yes? I was, And how was that? So?

570
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I met him a few times the only time in

571
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: my life I've ever been starstruck. Yeah, because I'm like,

572
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: this is a guy that's, like you said, I looked

573
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: up to him for so long. I met him at

574
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl in twenty thirteen, right, and I'm walking

575
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: into the Look Caf where we're all eating at and

576
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: he's sitting right there. I'm just like, it's kind of

577
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: walking inside eye. My wife's go, hey, ain't that him?

578
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, up And then he gets up

579
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and he comes up and like beside us, He comes

580
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: up beside us. He's like, so, what's up? Man? I

581
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: lost it? What's going on? Man? I'm a big fan,

582
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Like because he knew who I was, you know what

583
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which which really made me appreciative. You know

584
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, He knew who I was. But also

585
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the fact that like he's my first, my idol, you

586
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: know what i'maying, person that I'm looking up to it

587
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: in football was so much in grain in the game,

588
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: like I am, he knows everybody that's around, you know

589
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that that was the only time

590
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: I've ever been starstruck. And then I've seen him a

591
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: couple of times that you know, the asps or uh

592
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl parties and stuff like that, and it's all

593
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: been it's been love ever since. So hey, man, appreciate

594
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: you stepping on the show, coming on the show. Absolutely, Man, Man,

595
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: it's good scene. You ain't seen it. It's been a minute.

596
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: I just saw him, just like once we forgot he

597
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: was on the show. I was like, man, I ain't

598
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: seen in a minute. He forgot about me. He used

599
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: to send me funny stuff on Instagram all the time.

600
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, you gotta be the same guy. Peanup. Yeah,

601
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the same guy. Get busy's hand,

602
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: idle hands. Man. I'm telling you no doubt I'll be that.

603
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I'll take that better.

604
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: It won't happen again. Y'all call me out, so I apologize.

605
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm a bad friend, but I will be a better friend.

606
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