WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Harassing the Witness 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.000 Hey, the folks, is June third, Tuesday, June third. Welcome 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.160 to this episode of Amy and TJ. We continue to 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:09.760 be your one stop shot to catch you up on 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.200 the Ditty trial which is now and it's fourth another 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.079 day of testimonies in the books. We will go through 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.200 that for you in a second. That full day was 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.159 described as combative. But as we record this robes we 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:28.040 sit here, today's court has begun and if we thought 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:33.320 yesterday was combative, today has already jumped off with fireworks 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.680 before the jury even comes into the room. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:36.200 That's right. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.080 So a man who was in the courtroom on Monday 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:46.559 apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.199 their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym. That 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.879 was the former assistant to Ditty who says she was 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.440 raped by Ditty, who says she was sexually abused by Ditty. Well, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.279 there was a man in the courtroom who used her 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.520 real name, her actual name on his YouTube channel and 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.640 violated that order. So he was also seen recording outside 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.120 the courthouse on Monday. So the judge granted a request 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.960 from prosecutors to ban this man from the courtroom if 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.559 he ever tries to return, and no word if there'll 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.280 be any further charges, because what he did is violated 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.120 court order, which I would believe would be considered criminal. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.880 I have it right. This is court order and journalism right. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.119 It's an understanding, and it's a long held and sacred rule. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:37.640 You do not identify publicly a sexual assault accuser. You 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.560 just do not do that. So this is different still 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.280 from me, rotes, I am to your point. There was 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.199 an order. This wasn't just a matter of an understanding 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.440 from news outlets. He ordered people not to identify her, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.440 so there could be some penalties for him. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.200 Correct. I would have think there would be. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.960 In perhaps there should be, because this isn't just about 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.920 this case. This is a larger There's a reason why 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.320 judges put these orders in place, and why news outlets credited. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.600 News outlets honor this idea that we don't out alleged 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.440 sexual assault victims, because you don't want to discourage any woman. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.000 It's already hard enough to get up there and talk 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.639 about the worst, most humiliating moment of your life potentially. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.560 So you have to be able to be afforded that. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:29.040 Opportunity to not have your identity smeared everywhere people going 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.560 into your history and making revictimizing you, so to speak. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.919 So that's just why that's in place, And so you'd 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.160 never want to discourage any woman or any member of 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.680 the community who's been sexually abused from coming forward. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.560 And if you take a lot of these witnesses at 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.200 their word, they're scared to death of this man and 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.760 what he can do. So there's also that element of 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.840 putting this particular witness in some kind of danger by 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.520 identifying her. This is wildly irresponsible. I know he is, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.960 and to a proven guilty, we understand, but she has 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.240 a story to tell and this just feels like an awful, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.920 unnecessary and intentional violation, Like he's going forward, what is 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:10.639 he trying to do? 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.880 Well, it's interesting because you mentioned the fear there. There 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:19.880 are hardcore Sean ditty Combe's supporters in that courtroom, around 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.280 the courtroom and certainly around the world, and so that's concerning. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.560 And to your point, there was another disruption before the 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.040 jurors came in from a Diddy supporter, so actually a woman. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.239 The judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.480 from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out ditty, 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.520 these mother efforts laughing at you, and they had to 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.800 remove from court. So there are people who feel passionately 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.160 on both sides of the aisle. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.680 All right, So that was again, folks, as we record this, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.320 we're going to give you what happened in the full 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.080 day that's in the books, which was yesterday, as today's 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:00.920 court is just getting going. So we did want to at 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.520 least share some of the early tidbits coming out of 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.880 the courtroom today. Yesterday, Robes, we had two witnesses. We 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.160 had one person who was a representative of the Beverly 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.600 Hills Hotel, talked about receipts and whatnot, explained some things 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.320 to the jury. The other, of course, was Mia and Robes. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.440 Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.320 Mia is the former assistant who says she was raped 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.880 and sexually assaulted repeatedly over the years working for him. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.600 They're a little behind schedule. They've had to rearrange some 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.039 other witnesses who had flights and whatnot because this one 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.080 got contentious. It went long, and you could tell Robes 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.919 how important this witness is to both sides, yes, exactly. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.839 And cross examination meaning the questioning that happened from Diddy's 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.520 lawyers was intense, to say the least, to the point 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.280 where it got to be so much prosecutors pulled them 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.599 aside and had a sidebar with the judge and was saying, Hey, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:58.440 they're badgering our witness. They are going too far and 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.000 being too harsh milk, and they even use the word harassment. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.320 So that's how heated it got in the core room yesterday, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.600 prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.200 Yeah, and the just agreed with I think most of it. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.280 They I think they're also called said the defense was 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.919 being sarcastic the dress. I don't see the sarcasm, but 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.200 the rest of what you said is accurate. So the 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.159 judge agreed, and the back and forth was pretty intense, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.480 and it all kind of ropes had to do with 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.320 the witness's own words. They made her read a lot 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:36.679 of her messages of love and adoration and inspiration from Diddy, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.920 so they had to hear a long live They said, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.120 about fifty Instagram messages and whatnot. They went through of 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.200 her seeming to enjoy what she was working. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:46.720 I have to say, so we heard some of this 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:47.520 from the day before. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.320 But when you really start reading what she not only 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.960 posted on Instagram, because maybe you could make the argument 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.640 that a lot of folks put what they wish their 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.880 life could be like her, the best version of whatever 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:58.920 happened online. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.320 But these direct. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.479 Text messages to Diddy as late as twenty twenty two, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.880 it is hard to get your head around some of 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.880 these things that she was texting him from. I guess 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.480 I believe they said from three years after she was 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.400 let go, all the way up until two three years ago. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.919 I love you, I will always be here for you 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.800 in any capacity. I love you with all of my heart, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.400 and I am here for you forever. These are all 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.200 texts that she sent him years after she claims she 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.919 was raped, sexually assaulted and continually verbally and physically abused 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:34.120 by it. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.159 So that would last when you read I love you 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.200 with all my heart and I'm here for you forever. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:42.880 She wrote that to Diddy in twenty twenty. She had 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.200 been getting sexually assaulted and raped by him, according to her, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.080 since two thousand and nine, when she started working for him. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.119 She stopped in twenty seventeen, and then three years later 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.960 she sends that message. Look, she said plenty of times, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.560 call my therapist. It's called psychological abuse. She's said plenty 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.240 of things that she was brainwashed. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.120 Brainwashed was the thing she used yesterday. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.040 But the jury, it's hard to understand it. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.080 It's hard to the one exchange that gave me a 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.440 little bit of light into where she was thinking and 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.840 how she was explaining this. She was asked, why did 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.880 you try to keep the person who abused you happy? 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.960 And she said, because when he was happy, I was safe. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.240 And I get that perhaps while you're working with him, 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.440 But once you've left, and you've been gone for years 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.520 and you have no reason to physically fear him, why 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.440 keep inserting yourself back into his life? Why keep telling 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.360 him you love him? Why keep telling him you miss him? 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.480 She saw their Netflix series on She's like, it makes 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.880 me miss you. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.720 All of that's all hard to understand. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.520 I'm sure there is a therapist out there or someone 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.200 who deals with people who've been abused who can explain 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.960 this very easily and say, yes, this is even common 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.920 that you still do feel some kind and again it's not. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.240 It wasn't all bad, So there was some point of 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.680 a loving relationship she had with Sean Diddy combs. I'm 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.280 just saying, for the matter of a jury sitting there 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.800 trying to get their head around that it's difficult. And 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.120 this was a tough back and forth, and the defense 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.360 by all the accounts made some headway in trying to 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.559 go after her credibility. And you know, it was funny 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.960 at the very beginning. This is how the cross examination 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.880 started to ask her where she went to school? What 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.920 was your GPA? And immediately the prosecution objected and the 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.400 judge sustained the object It just has nothing to do 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:38.120 with nothing. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.040 Well, he wanted to say, are you a smart girl? 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.120 And if you're a smart girl, why are you acting like. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.000 So there you go, the humiliation and the things you 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.640 talk about. They set a tone from the very beginning 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:47.400 of how they were going to go. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.840 I mean they flat out said she was lying and 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.000 was a money grabber, yes, and jumping in on the 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:53.840 me too movement. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.000 They humiliated her. They harassed her for sure. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.959 I mean absolutely, I thought one of the or bizarre 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.040 exchanges and I know it caught your eye as well 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.840 or your ear at least when there was a text 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:13.560 message between Mia and Diddy where she relates a dreams 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.560 she had to him that she had a dream she 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.120 was stuck in an elevator with R Kelly and that 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.840 he came and rescued her. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.280 We're talking about R Kelly now all things in the 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.000 Diddy trial. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.720 He is literally in prison right now for sex trafficking 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:28.120 and that comes up. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.840 Convicted in twenty twenty two, three years ago. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.360 And this is the guy. She says, Yeah, some weird 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.040 she has a dream about R Kelly and she's stuck 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.040 with him an elevator. But the message she sent to 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.640 Diddy after that, I screamed for you and you came 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.640 to rescue me. She sent that to him, and the judge, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.000 I mean the defense Atarney, excuse me, are asking like, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.599 this is the guy you scared of, This is the 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.160 guy that's your tormentor. Why is it you are going 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.640 and why would you send a message like that? And 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.559 her response again, she said, yes, he was my tormentor 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.360 and he was my protector. He served as both of 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.200 those for her at times. This is fascinating to listen 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.319 to one to someone, if you do take her at 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.120 her word at all of this happened, It's fascinating to 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.719 hear where her head is and how she views that relationship. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.160 And again, she's been in tons of therapy, she says, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.440 but man, this is some heavy stuff. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.679 And as she referenced therapy, the defense actually asked if 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:27.120 she would be willing to lift her patient therapist confidentiality 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.320 and actually let the defense, or at least let the 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.600 court see what her therapist wrote, what the notes were. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.280 Objection because one of. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:42.559 The other huge issues that really stood out to both 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.360 of us was the fact that she did not tell 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.840 one person. She didn't document, she didn't write down, she 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.520 didn't even tell the investigators and the prosecutors that she 0:10:55.080 --> 0:11:01.160 was sexually abused or raped by Ditty until June of 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.400 twenty twenty four, as in a few months ago, exactly 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:04.880 a year ago. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.040 I guess it would have been a year ago. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.560 And that was three or four months after Cassiaventoror filed 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.600 her lawsuit. How do you the prosecutors are asking her 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.160 for what was seven months twenty something. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:21.280 In her twenty eight interviews with investigators prosecutors, and she 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.040 never once mentioned or brought up that she was a 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:25.880 victim of rate. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.320 How does that say with the jury. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:28.040 That's tough. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.520 I don't that's tough. How that sits? But why and 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.240 that it comes into the money grab situation. Now, okay, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.040 what was your motivation then if it wasn't before. She 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.320 has a good kind of a good response to that 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.000 in that it's one thing she didn't tell the prosecutors 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.400 about it in the last year. But when she left 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.280 Diddy's company in twenty seventeen, she wanted a severance package, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.520 and there was attorneys on both sides going back and forth. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:54.520 She initially asked for. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.040 Ten million dollars. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.240 Why but she asked for that money? But in that 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.680 back and forth, wouldn't that have been the proper time 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.280 to say, oh, yeah, by the way, your boss has 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.960 been sexually assaulting me for years, give me my money, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.960 and I will go quietly yes. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.679 When you're asking for the money, and obviously when most 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.520 people leave businesses where you're making I mean, she started 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.040 up making fifty thousand dollars a year. What would make 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.520 you think you should or could ask for ten million 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.240 dollars unless something happened along the way that you felt 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.480 like he might want to pay you hush money for and. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:31.440 Why not bring it up? 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.440 I don't know. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.280 That's the thing that's the jury is asking that. They 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.960 are asking what we're asking she had two opportunities, long opportunities, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.439 and one that might have even benefited her at least 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.439 on paper financially, let me say that. And she didn't 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.680 bring it up then, so she asked her the ten million. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.760 We should say she ended up GETT four hundred hundred thousand, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.680 but her attorneys took half of that, so she didn't 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.880 get much of anything when she left these company. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.920 This is a I think this is definitely a difficult 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.960 a difficult witness for jurors to get their head around, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.400 because I would just say, just from anyone who's listening 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.040 common sense, it's just hard to understand. It's not that 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.720 it couldn't be true, and it's not that she's lying necessarily, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.360 but it certainly casts some doubt into her credibility. I 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.360 think the defense did a decent job doing that. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.000 Yeah, and we all keep saying, just need one right, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:37.280 just need one juror to hold out this young lady Miya. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.720 She has said at several points that this is something 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.360 she planned to take to her grave. Now, the matter 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.280 of humiliation, the shame, how she felt through what she described. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.800 If it's all true, I cannot imagine what that felt like, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.320 and so when I hear her say I was going 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.120 to take this to my grave, I kind of to 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.720 take her out a word and believe. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.000 Yeah, that well, that makes sense. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.240 I mean, if that is where she was mentally with 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.160 all of this, then it would make sense why she 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:08.920 never brought it out, why she didn't use it to 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.120 get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.600 because she just didn't want to have to be that woman, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.840 that girl, that victim. I think you know, you can 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.600 say he yelled at me, he threw things at me, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.120 but to acknowledge that you couldn't even say no when 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.680 he was raping you, and that's what she testified to. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.600 That's a very embarrassing thing to have to admit. It's shameful, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.800 even though it isn't shameful, but I can understand how 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:35.840 a woman would feel that way. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.080 And you know what, this was pretty interesting because. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.400 When prosecutors asked the judge to stop the cross examination 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.360 because they said the defense attorneys were being humiliating, we're 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.400 being harassing. Part of their reasoning was that they said, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.000 the world is watching this trial right now, and this 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.480 could deter other crime victims from coming forward in other cases. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.240 They said, eyes are on this trial. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:03.160 Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys, 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.600 and if we don't protect these people who are willing 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.560 to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.560 not just in this case, but in other cases. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.080 This is one now with me in particular. We have 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.480 to figure out how to do this. Of course, the 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.320 one all eyes were on, and Ember heard, and Johnny Depp, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.280 everybody was taking sides. But we have to get to 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.640 a point where have we gotten to a point where 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.480 women are believed? But now how do we treat them 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.080 after we even believe them? 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:35.160 Right? 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.080 So, for so long it seemed like nobody's being believed, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.200 and then there was a movement right, and then people 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.040 were being believed, and it turns out, oh yeah, she's 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.400 been saying that for years and it turned out to 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.680 be right, And so believe women when they speak up. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.600 But now that argument we always make, will they get 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.200 to be anonymous? And then the one who's accused has 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:53.280 maybe his whole. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.040 Life is so once you're accused of something heinous like that, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.600 your life rarely goes back to the way it was. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.760 If ever, yes, So now we have to have the 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.320 conversation about what if somebody is innocent, so whose name 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.600 needs to be public? And all this back and forth. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.480 But let's get away from that conversation. This is not 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.280 that day. I'm saying. We are treating accusers or the 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.280 world is watching accusers get treated pretty shitty. Yeah, on 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.240 the stand, what's your GPA? Right, it just seems like 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.720 not much of a question, But we're trying to embarrass 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.160 and humiliate the defense. Attorneys are supposed, say, supposed to 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.200 do this for their client. They're supposed to be fighting 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.320 their butts off to keep his life is on the line. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.360 But man, we're having public debates and social media debates 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.960 about should she be believed? And she only was going 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.040 for this, and it just it sucks how we're treating. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.560 Yeah, I mean, courtrooms end up being theater, and it 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.440 really the jury is the audience, and the lawyers are 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.080 trying to make them think one thing or another, and 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.320 that's just unfortunately part of what happens. It's tough to watch, 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.440 especially when real lives and real pain is on display. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.679 It's not an act, it isn't a script. It's their lives, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.399 and so it's a much there's the stakes or couldn't 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:07.760 be higher. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.520 So she was able to wrap up yesterday again, defense 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.919 attorneys admitted, and then she did have a redirect by 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.280 the prosecution, and again she just ended up up there 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:21.040 longer than anticipated. But she did get off the stand yesterday, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.800 and they were able to squeeze in one more witness, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.080 this one Robes. They call him a custodian at the 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:32.960 Beverly Hilton, Beverly Hilton, and this person was up there 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.840 kind of explaining to the jury when they see receipts 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.239 hotel receipts for Diddy, what they're kind of looking at. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.080 And this one it wasn't just about how much you 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.120 paid for the room. It was some of the feed 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.320 damages and damages were well, I'm probably to be expected. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.520 Actually I thought this was less. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.119 Than what I was anticipating, if I'm being fully honest here, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.520 I thought it might be more. But just this is 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.960 one room, one time, a three hundred dollars charge for 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.320 drapes that were soiled beyond what is normal. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.919 That was the annotation. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.440 Another receipt for a five hundred dollars charge for once 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.200 again oil damage. There was a fee for going out 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.199 to get candles for Ditty Why would they go out 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.280 and buy candles when they know in all of the 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.800 other messages they talked about excessive candle wax. You know 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.880 how hard it is to get candle wax off things. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.800 Anybody who's had to clean a house with candle wax, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.520 it is very difficult. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.840 I'm trying to think of hotels. There are no candles 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:27.399 in hotels. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:28.919 They're dangerous to have candles. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.320 You're not supposed to be lighting candles in hotels for 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.359 fire concerns. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:33.280 That very good reason. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.960 I guess it's ditty, So I guess he gets to 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.560 have candles and they get to clean up the wax afterwards. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.800 Well they talked about is pro they had a profile 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.800 that had it would have the celebrities name and an 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.800 alias next to it, so they knew who it was 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.040 and knew what was happening, knew what to expect anytime 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.040 he was showing up. I did want to mention the 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.879 other thing robe you talked about at the top here 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.359 the disruptions that were in the actual courtroom, but there 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.840 have been disruptions in the overflow room. I don't know 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.680 if we've explained this enough that yes, you have certain 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.600 number of people who are sitting in the courtroom watching. 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.000 But we also have at the courthouse an overflow room 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.119 where reporters and members of the public, many of them 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.800 supporters of Diddy, have been watching on closed circuit television. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.240 The rule robes is that they're supposed to be just 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.040 as quiet as they are in the actual courtroom that 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.200 we're hearing. That ain't the case. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:25.680 Yeah, apparently it's not the case. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.400 I have been in one overflow room in my time 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.879 as a reporter covering a case, and it was also 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.000 fairly rowdy, to say the least, because what happens is 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.280 you start getting comfortable, you start shouting at the television 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.680 like you would watching a reality TV show about what 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.520 you think they should say next, or reacting to what 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:43.280 they did or said. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:44.280 And so that's what's happening. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.560 Apparently, Yes, you're actually having people almost like with popcorn 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.800 in their hands, watching and reacting and being loud about it. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.960 Yes, they referred to it as a watch party. It 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.560 feels like a watch party, like you're watching. It's kind 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.439 of incredible. But no one has stopped them, No one 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.679 has come in and said shush. So that is happening. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.639 But yes, they say a lot of Diddy supporters have 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.320 been in those rooms and have been very vocal and 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.200 what they want the defense attorneys to ask next in 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:13.480 the line of questions, Oh. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:18.480 My goodness, Well I might read that report about what's 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.960 going on in the watch party rooms, slash the overflow rooms. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.760