Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, is June third, Tuesday, June third. Welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. We continue to
Speaker 1: be your one stop shot to catch you up on
Speaker 1: the Ditty trial which is now and it's fourth another
Speaker 1: day of testimonies in the books. We will go through
Speaker 1: that for you in a second. That full day was
Speaker 1: described as combative. But as we record this robes we
Speaker 1: sit here, today's court has begun and if we thought
Speaker 1: yesterday was combative, today has already jumped off with fireworks
Speaker 1: before the jury even comes into the room.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So a man who was in the courtroom on Monday
Speaker 3: apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to
Speaker 3: their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym. That
Speaker 3: was the former assistant to Ditty who says she was
Speaker 3: raped by Ditty, who says she was sexually abused by Ditty. Well,
Speaker 3: there was a man in the courtroom who used her
Speaker 3: real name, her actual name on his YouTube channel and
Speaker 3: violated that order. So he was also seen recording outside
Speaker 3: the courthouse on Monday. So the judge granted a request
Speaker 3: from prosecutors to ban this man from the courtroom if
Speaker 3: he ever tries to return, and no word if there'll
Speaker 3: be any further charges, because what he did is violated
Speaker 3: court order, which I would believe would be considered criminal.
Speaker 1: I have it right. This is court order and journalism right.
Speaker 1: It's an understanding, and it's a long held and sacred rule.
Speaker 1: You do not identify publicly a sexual assault accuser. You
Speaker 1: just do not do that. So this is different still
Speaker 1: from me, rotes, I am to your point. There was
Speaker 1: an order. This wasn't just a matter of an understanding
Speaker 1: from news outlets. He ordered people not to identify her,
Speaker 1: so there could be some penalties for him.
Speaker 2: Correct. I would have think there would be.
Speaker 3: In perhaps there should be, because this isn't just about
Speaker 3: this case. This is a larger There's a reason why
Speaker 3: judges put these orders in place, and why news outlets credited.
Speaker 3: News outlets honor this idea that we don't out alleged
Speaker 3: sexual assault victims, because you don't want to discourage any woman.
Speaker 3: It's already hard enough to get up there and talk
Speaker 3: about the worst, most humiliating moment of your life potentially.
Speaker 2: So you have to be able to be afforded that.
Speaker 3: Opportunity to not have your identity smeared everywhere people going
Speaker 3: into your history and making revictimizing you, so to speak.
Speaker 3: So that's just why that's in place, And so you'd
Speaker 3: never want to discourage any woman or any member of
Speaker 3: the community who's been sexually abused from coming forward.
Speaker 1: And if you take a lot of these witnesses at
Speaker 1: their word, they're scared to death of this man and
Speaker 1: what he can do. So there's also that element of
Speaker 1: putting this particular witness in some kind of danger by
Speaker 1: identifying her. This is wildly irresponsible. I know he is,
Speaker 1: and to a proven guilty, we understand, but she has
Speaker 1: a story to tell and this just feels like an awful,
Speaker 1: unnecessary and intentional violation, Like he's going forward, what is
Speaker 1: he trying to do?
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because you mentioned the fear there. There
Speaker 3: are hardcore Sean ditty Combe's supporters in that courtroom, around
Speaker 3: the courtroom and certainly around the world, and so that's concerning.
Speaker 3: And to your point, there was another disruption before the
Speaker 3: jurors came in from a Diddy supporter, so actually a woman.
Speaker 3: The judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning
Speaker 3: from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out ditty,
Speaker 3: these mother efforts laughing at you, and they had to
Speaker 3: remove from court. So there are people who feel passionately
Speaker 3: on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 1: All right, So that was again, folks, as we record this,
Speaker 1: we're going to give you what happened in the full
Speaker 1: day that's in the books, which was yesterday, as today's
Speaker 1: court is just getting going. So we did want to at
Speaker 1: least share some of the early tidbits coming out of
Speaker 1: the courtroom today. Yesterday, Robes, we had two witnesses. We
Speaker 1: had one person who was a representative of the Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Hotel, talked about receipts and whatnot, explained some things
Speaker 1: to the jury. The other, of course, was Mia and Robes.
Speaker 1: Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated.
Speaker 1: Mia is the former assistant who says she was raped
Speaker 1: and sexually assaulted repeatedly over the years working for him.
Speaker 1: They're a little behind schedule. They've had to rearrange some
Speaker 1: other witnesses who had flights and whatnot because this one
Speaker 1: got contentious. It went long, and you could tell Robes
Speaker 1: how important this witness is to both sides, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And cross examination meaning the questioning that happened from Diddy's
Speaker 3: lawyers was intense, to say the least, to the point
Speaker 3: where it got to be so much prosecutors pulled them
Speaker 3: aside and had a sidebar with the judge and was saying, Hey,
Speaker 3: they're badgering our witness. They are going too far and
Speaker 3: being too harsh milk, and they even use the word harassment.
Speaker 3: So that's how heated it got in the core room yesterday,
Speaker 3: prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the just agreed with I think most of it.
Speaker 1: They I think they're also called said the defense was
Speaker 1: being sarcastic the dress. I don't see the sarcasm, but
Speaker 1: the rest of what you said is accurate. So the
Speaker 1: judge agreed, and the back and forth was pretty intense,
Speaker 1: and it all kind of ropes had to do with
Speaker 1: the witness's own words. They made her read a lot
Speaker 1: of her messages of love and adoration and inspiration from Diddy,
Speaker 1: so they had to hear a long live They said,
Speaker 1: about fifty Instagram messages and whatnot. They went through of
Speaker 1: her seeming to enjoy what she was working.
Speaker 2: I have to say, so we heard some of this
Speaker 2: from the day before.
Speaker 3: But when you really start reading what she not only
Speaker 3: posted on Instagram, because maybe you could make the argument
Speaker 3: that a lot of folks put what they wish their
Speaker 3: life could be like her, the best version of whatever
Speaker 3: happened online.
Speaker 2: But these direct.
Speaker 3: Text messages to Diddy as late as twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: it is hard to get your head around some of
Speaker 3: these things that she was texting him from. I guess
Speaker 3: I believe they said from three years after she was
Speaker 3: let go, all the way up until two three years ago.
Speaker 3: I love you, I will always be here for you
Speaker 3: in any capacity. I love you with all of my heart,
Speaker 3: and I am here for you forever. These are all
Speaker 3: texts that she sent him years after she claims she
Speaker 3: was raped, sexually assaulted and continually verbally and physically abused
Speaker 3: by it.
Speaker 1: So that would last when you read I love you
Speaker 1: with all my heart and I'm here for you forever.
Speaker 1: She wrote that to Diddy in twenty twenty. She had
Speaker 1: been getting sexually assaulted and raped by him, according to her,
Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine, when she started working for him.
Speaker 1: She stopped in twenty seventeen, and then three years later
Speaker 1: she sends that message. Look, she said plenty of times,
Speaker 1: call my therapist. It's called psychological abuse. She's said plenty
Speaker 1: of things that she was brainwashed.
Speaker 2: Brainwashed was the thing she used yesterday.
Speaker 1: But the jury, it's hard to understand it.
Speaker 3: It's hard to the one exchange that gave me a
Speaker 3: little bit of light into where she was thinking and
Speaker 3: how she was explaining this. She was asked, why did
Speaker 3: you try to keep the person who abused you happy?
Speaker 3: And she said, because when he was happy, I was safe.
Speaker 3: And I get that perhaps while you're working with him,
Speaker 3: But once you've left, and you've been gone for years
Speaker 3: and you have no reason to physically fear him, why
Speaker 3: keep inserting yourself back into his life? Why keep telling
Speaker 3: him you love him? Why keep telling him you miss him?
Speaker 3: She saw their Netflix series on She's like, it makes
Speaker 3: me miss you.
Speaker 2: All of that's all hard to understand.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is a therapist out there or someone
Speaker 1: who deals with people who've been abused who can explain
Speaker 1: this very easily and say, yes, this is even common
Speaker 1: that you still do feel some kind and again it's not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all bad, So there was some point of
Speaker 1: a loving relationship she had with Sean Diddy combs. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, for the matter of a jury sitting there
Speaker 1: trying to get their head around that it's difficult. And
Speaker 1: this was a tough back and forth, and the defense
Speaker 1: by all the accounts made some headway in trying to
Speaker 1: go after her credibility. And you know, it was funny
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. This is how the cross examination
Speaker 1: started to ask her where she went to school? What
Speaker 1: was your GPA? And immediately the prosecution objected and the
Speaker 1: judge sustained the object It just has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with nothing.
Speaker 3: Well, he wanted to say, are you a smart girl?
Speaker 3: And if you're a smart girl, why are you acting like.
Speaker 1: So there you go, the humiliation and the things you
Speaker 1: talk about. They set a tone from the very beginning
Speaker 1: of how they were going to go.
Speaker 3: I mean they flat out said she was lying and
Speaker 3: was a money grabber, yes, and jumping in on the
Speaker 3: me too movement.
Speaker 2: They humiliated her. They harassed her for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, I thought one of the or bizarre
Speaker 3: exchanges and I know it caught your eye as well
Speaker 3: or your ear at least when there was a text
Speaker 3: message between Mia and Diddy where she relates a dreams
Speaker 3: she had to him that she had a dream she
Speaker 3: was stuck in an elevator with R Kelly and that
Speaker 3: he came and rescued her.
Speaker 2: We're talking about R Kelly now all things in the
Speaker 2: Diddy trial.
Speaker 1: He is literally in prison right now for sex trafficking
Speaker 1: and that comes up.
Speaker 2: Convicted in twenty twenty two, three years ago.
Speaker 1: And this is the guy. She says, Yeah, some weird
Speaker 1: she has a dream about R Kelly and she's stuck
Speaker 1: with him an elevator. But the message she sent to
Speaker 1: Diddy after that, I screamed for you and you came
Speaker 1: to rescue me. She sent that to him, and the judge,
Speaker 1: I mean the defense Atarney, excuse me, are asking like,
Speaker 1: this is the guy you scared of, This is the
Speaker 1: guy that's your tormentor. Why is it you are going
Speaker 1: and why would you send a message like that? And
Speaker 1: her response again, she said, yes, he was my tormentor
Speaker 1: and he was my protector. He served as both of
Speaker 1: those for her at times. This is fascinating to listen
Speaker 1: to one to someone, if you do take her at
Speaker 1: her word at all of this happened, It's fascinating to
Speaker 1: hear where her head is and how she views that relationship.
Speaker 1: And again, she's been in tons of therapy, she says,
Speaker 1: but man, this is some heavy stuff.
Speaker 3: And as she referenced therapy, the defense actually asked if
Speaker 3: she would be willing to lift her patient therapist confidentiality
Speaker 3: and actually let the defense, or at least let the
Speaker 3: court see what her therapist wrote, what the notes were.
Speaker 1: Objection because one of.
Speaker 3: The other huge issues that really stood out to both
Speaker 3: of us was the fact that she did not tell
Speaker 3: one person. She didn't document, she didn't write down, she
Speaker 3: didn't even tell the investigators and the prosecutors that she
Speaker 3: was sexually abused or raped by Ditty until June of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, as in a few months ago, exactly
Speaker 3: a year ago.
Speaker 2: I guess it would have been a year ago.
Speaker 1: And that was three or four months after Cassiaventoror filed
Speaker 1: her lawsuit. How do you the prosecutors are asking her
Speaker 1: for what was seven months twenty something.
Speaker 3: In her twenty eight interviews with investigators prosecutors, and she
Speaker 3: never once mentioned or brought up that she was a
Speaker 3: victim of rate.
Speaker 1: How does that say with the jury.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 1: I don't that's tough. How that sits? But why and
Speaker 1: that it comes into the money grab situation. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: what was your motivation then if it wasn't before. She
Speaker 1: has a good kind of a good response to that
Speaker 1: in that it's one thing she didn't tell the prosecutors
Speaker 1: about it in the last year. But when she left
Speaker 1: Diddy's company in twenty seventeen, she wanted a severance package,
Speaker 1: and there was attorneys on both sides going back and forth.
Speaker 1: She initially asked for.
Speaker 2: Ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: Why but she asked for that money? But in that
Speaker 1: back and forth, wouldn't that have been the proper time
Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, by the way, your boss has
Speaker 1: been sexually assaulting me for years, give me my money,
Speaker 1: and I will go quietly yes.
Speaker 3: When you're asking for the money, and obviously when most
Speaker 3: people leave businesses where you're making I mean, she started
Speaker 3: up making fifty thousand dollars a year. What would make
Speaker 3: you think you should or could ask for ten million
Speaker 3: dollars unless something happened along the way that you felt
Speaker 3: like he might want to pay you hush money for and.
Speaker 1: Why not bring it up?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's the jury is asking that. They
Speaker 1: are asking what we're asking she had two opportunities, long opportunities,
Speaker 1: and one that might have even benefited her at least
Speaker 1: on paper financially, let me say that. And she didn't
Speaker 1: bring it up then, so she asked her the ten million.
Speaker 1: We should say she ended up GETT four hundred hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: but her attorneys took half of that, so she didn't
Speaker 1: get much of anything when she left these company.
Speaker 3: This is a I think this is definitely a difficult
Speaker 3: a difficult witness for jurors to get their head around,
Speaker 3: because I would just say, just from anyone who's listening
Speaker 3: common sense, it's just hard to understand. It's not that
Speaker 3: it couldn't be true, and it's not that she's lying necessarily,
Speaker 3: but it certainly casts some doubt into her credibility. I
Speaker 3: think the defense did a decent job doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we all keep saying, just need one right,
Speaker 1: just need one juror to hold out this young lady Miya.
Speaker 1: She has said at several points that this is something
Speaker 1: she planned to take to her grave. Now, the matter
Speaker 1: of humiliation, the shame, how she felt through what she described.
Speaker 1: If it's all true, I cannot imagine what that felt like,
Speaker 1: and so when I hear her say I was going
Speaker 1: to take this to my grave, I kind of to
Speaker 1: take her out a word and believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that well, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I mean, if that is where she was mentally with
Speaker 3: all of this, then it would make sense why she
Speaker 3: never brought it out, why she didn't use it to
Speaker 3: get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors,
Speaker 3: because she just didn't want to have to be that woman,
Speaker 3: that girl, that victim. I think you know, you can
Speaker 3: say he yelled at me, he threw things at me,
Speaker 3: but to acknowledge that you couldn't even say no when
Speaker 3: he was raping you, and that's what she testified to.
Speaker 3: That's a very embarrassing thing to have to admit. It's shameful,
Speaker 3: even though it isn't shameful, but I can understand how
Speaker 3: a woman would feel that way.
Speaker 2: And you know what, this was pretty interesting because.
Speaker 3: When prosecutors asked the judge to stop the cross examination
Speaker 3: because they said the defense attorneys were being humiliating, we're
Speaker 3: being harassing. Part of their reasoning was that they said,
Speaker 3: the world is watching this trial right now, and this
Speaker 3: could deter other crime victims from coming forward in other cases.
Speaker 2: They said, eyes are on this trial.
Speaker 3: Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys,
Speaker 3: and if we don't protect these people who are willing
Speaker 3: to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward,
Speaker 3: not just in this case, but in other cases.
Speaker 1: This is one now with me in particular. We have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do this. Of course, the
Speaker 1: one all eyes were on, and Ember heard, and Johnny Depp,
Speaker 1: everybody was taking sides. But we have to get to
Speaker 1: a point where have we gotten to a point where
Speaker 1: women are believed? But now how do we treat them
Speaker 1: after we even believe them?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So, for so long it seemed like nobody's being believed,
Speaker 1: and then there was a movement right, and then people
Speaker 1: were being believed, and it turns out, oh yeah, she's
Speaker 1: been saying that for years and it turned out to
Speaker 1: be right, And so believe women when they speak up.
Speaker 1: But now that argument we always make, will they get
Speaker 1: to be anonymous? And then the one who's accused has
Speaker 1: maybe his whole.
Speaker 3: Life is so once you're accused of something heinous like that,
Speaker 3: your life rarely goes back to the way it was.
Speaker 1: If ever, yes, So now we have to have the
Speaker 1: conversation about what if somebody is innocent, so whose name
Speaker 1: needs to be public? And all this back and forth.
Speaker 1: But let's get away from that conversation. This is not
Speaker 1: that day. I'm saying. We are treating accusers or the
Speaker 1: world is watching accusers get treated pretty shitty. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: the stand, what's your GPA? Right, it just seems like
Speaker 1: not much of a question, But we're trying to embarrass
Speaker 1: and humiliate the defense. Attorneys are supposed, say, supposed to
Speaker 1: do this for their client. They're supposed to be fighting
Speaker 1: their butts off to keep his life is on the line.
Speaker 1: But man, we're having public debates and social media debates
Speaker 1: about should she be believed? And she only was going
Speaker 1: for this, and it just it sucks how we're treating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, courtrooms end up being theater, and it
Speaker 3: really the jury is the audience, and the lawyers are
Speaker 3: trying to make them think one thing or another, and
Speaker 3: that's just unfortunately part of what happens. It's tough to watch,
Speaker 3: especially when real lives and real pain is on display.
Speaker 3: It's not an act, it isn't a script. It's their lives,
Speaker 3: and so it's a much there's the stakes or couldn't
Speaker 3: be higher.
Speaker 1: So she was able to wrap up yesterday again, defense
Speaker 1: attorneys admitted, and then she did have a redirect by
Speaker 1: the prosecution, and again she just ended up up there
Speaker 1: longer than anticipated. But she did get off the stand yesterday,
Speaker 1: and they were able to squeeze in one more witness,
Speaker 1: this one Robes. They call him a custodian at the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hilton, Beverly Hilton, and this person was up there
Speaker 1: kind of explaining to the jury when they see receipts
Speaker 1: hotel receipts for Diddy, what they're kind of looking at.
Speaker 1: And this one it wasn't just about how much you
Speaker 1: paid for the room. It was some of the feed
Speaker 1: damages and damages were well, I'm probably to be expected.
Speaker 2: Actually I thought this was less.
Speaker 3: Than what I was anticipating, if I'm being fully honest here,
Speaker 3: I thought it might be more. But just this is
Speaker 3: one room, one time, a three hundred dollars charge for
Speaker 3: drapes that were soiled beyond what is normal.
Speaker 2: That was the annotation.
Speaker 3: Another receipt for a five hundred dollars charge for once
Speaker 3: again oil damage. There was a fee for going out
Speaker 3: to get candles for Ditty Why would they go out
Speaker 3: and buy candles when they know in all of the
Speaker 3: other messages they talked about excessive candle wax. You know
Speaker 3: how hard it is to get candle wax off things.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's had to clean a house with candle wax,
Speaker 3: it is very difficult.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of hotels. There are no candles
Speaker 1: in hotels.
Speaker 2: They're dangerous to have candles.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be lighting candles in hotels for
Speaker 3: fire concerns.
Speaker 1: That very good reason.
Speaker 3: I guess it's ditty, So I guess he gets to
Speaker 3: have candles and they get to clean up the wax afterwards.
Speaker 1: Well they talked about is pro they had a profile
Speaker 1: that had it would have the celebrities name and an
Speaker 1: alias next to it, so they knew who it was
Speaker 1: and knew what was happening, knew what to expect anytime
Speaker 1: he was showing up. I did want to mention the
Speaker 1: other thing robe you talked about at the top here
Speaker 1: the disruptions that were in the actual courtroom, but there
Speaker 1: have been disruptions in the overflow room. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've explained this enough that yes, you have certain
Speaker 1: number of people who are sitting in the courtroom watching.
Speaker 1: But we also have at the courthouse an overflow room
Speaker 1: where reporters and members of the public, many of them
Speaker 1: supporters of Diddy, have been watching on closed circuit television.
Speaker 1: The rule robes is that they're supposed to be just
Speaker 1: as quiet as they are in the actual courtroom that
Speaker 1: we're hearing. That ain't the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently it's not the case.
Speaker 3: I have been in one overflow room in my time
Speaker 3: as a reporter covering a case, and it was also
Speaker 3: fairly rowdy, to say the least, because what happens is
Speaker 3: you start getting comfortable, you start shouting at the television
Speaker 3: like you would watching a reality TV show about what
Speaker 3: you think they should say next, or reacting to what
Speaker 3: they did or said.
Speaker 2: And so that's what's happening.
Speaker 3: Apparently, Yes, you're actually having people almost like with popcorn
Speaker 3: in their hands, watching and reacting and being loud about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, they referred to it as a watch party. It
Speaker 1: feels like a watch party, like you're watching. It's kind
Speaker 1: of incredible. But no one has stopped them, No one
Speaker 1: has come in and said shush. So that is happening.
Speaker 1: But yes, they say a lot of Diddy supporters have
Speaker 1: been in those rooms and have been very vocal and
Speaker 1: what they want the defense attorneys to ask next in
Speaker 1: the line of questions, Oh.
Speaker 3: My goodness, Well I might read that report about what's
Speaker 3: going on in the watch party rooms, slash the overflow rooms.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, on the stand today this morning, up first,
Speaker 1: and this guy right is testifying under immunity. I believe
Speaker 1: this is the the was it the bribe for the video?
Speaker 1: The hotel security guy, Eddie Garcia, he's going to be
Speaker 1: up there, but he is testifying under immunity, so he's
Speaker 1: had to be compelled, yes, to testify.
Speaker 3: He took he actually took that oath, yes, before the
Speaker 3: jurors came in. And yes, he worked security at the
Speaker 3: Intercontinental Hotel. That is the hotel where again that video
Speaker 3: was taken where we all saw that terrible video of
Speaker 3: Ditty kicking and beating eventor a fine right as she
Speaker 3: was trying to leave a freak off, is what we've
Speaker 3: been told that was happening. So he is on the
Speaker 3: stand right now and he is doing he's being directly
Speaker 3: questioned by prosecutors and he'll get across examination as well,
Speaker 3: and will of course be following all of that and
Speaker 3: the rest of the day's events inside that Manhattan courtroom,
Speaker 3: but for now, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robot
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