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Speaker 1: The Sunday Hang with Play podcast. It starts now our

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Speaker 1: friend Pete heccept Secretary Defense out there in a video ladies,

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Speaker 1: sadly he has a shirt on during it. But uh,

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Speaker 1: but does I think RFK Junior does not have his

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Speaker 1: shirt on during it? Right? Is that? Am I correct

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Speaker 1: in that?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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Speaker 1: No, no, he's got his shirt at least that I

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Speaker 1: got a shut Yeah, okay, all right, because because he

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Speaker 1: does like to work out without a shirt, we're aware

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Speaker 2: But that's what that's a choice.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. We all get that. Why does RFK Junior work

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Speaker 1: out in jeans?

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Speaker 2: It's diabolical.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. I'm not saying I'm some kind of expert,

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Speaker 1: clearly not. Okay, we've all we are. I'm not saying,

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Speaker 1: but jeans are not a comfortable thing to work out in.

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Speaker 1: And about is every every belt and a belt jeans

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Speaker 1: with a belt on like Incredible Hulk style, except the

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Speaker 1: jeans aren't all like broken from where I get it,

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Speaker 1: if you're campaigning and you're like, hey, let me just

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Speaker 1: wrap out twenty push ups to show what good shape

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Speaker 1: I'm in. It's not scheduled, but they had a scheduled

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Speaker 1: workout and RFK rolled in in jeans and a belt

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Speaker 1: to do a push up and pull up challenge, and

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Speaker 1: I just it's I think it's diabolical.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the thought process is.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the late the least comfortable outfit to work jeans

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Speaker 1: like starchy, uncomfortable wrangler Levi Ey's whatever it is, jeans

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Speaker 1: and a belt like I don't even like wearing belts

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Speaker 1: for normal life. It's weird. So why is he doing it?

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing this out there Sunday Hey with Buck,

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Speaker 1: But I'm watching this video of RFK Junior in his

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Speaker 1: his belt and he's on a ski park. You know,

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Speaker 1: why not just why not just.

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Speaker 2: Go all in?

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Speaker 1: It's wild the number of you that are arguing with me.

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Speaker 1: So I shared this video and it's Pete hag Set

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Speaker 1: Defense Secretary RFK Junior. They're trying to get people to

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Speaker 1: work out more and the challenge was fifty pull ups.

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Speaker 1: And one hundred push ups in five minutes. And I said,

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Speaker 1: that is insanely difficult, and a ton of you are

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Speaker 1: in the mentions like, that's not that hard unless you

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Speaker 1: are a freak athlete. One hundred real pushups and fifty

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Speaker 1: real pull ups in five minutes. I think one in

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Speaker 1: ten thousand men can complete that challenge right now. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're the one in ten thousands. I was with

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Speaker 1: you til the one in ten I think. I don't

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Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, some of you are very

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Speaker 1: are middle aged men. Clay's gonna be fifty soon, for

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Speaker 1: heaven's sakes, Like, we're not twenty five anymore, guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: back off. I'm not talking about people that are in

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Speaker 1: the average weight in America is right now? To twenty

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Speaker 1: Most guys can rocket Crockett. Most guys cannot bench press

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Speaker 1: their body weight. We had this discussion, like not even

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Speaker 1: that's a strength to This is where people like your

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Speaker 1: wife and my wife, who are strong for their size,

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Speaker 1: makes a difference. Right when I was forty pounds heavier,

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Speaker 1: According to the CDC, the average American man in his

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Speaker 1: middle age is about two hundred pounds, but Clay, to

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Speaker 1: good challenge. But I mean, I think these things are fun,

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Speaker 1: Like it's good to test yourself. It's good to challenge yourself.

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Speaker 1: You and I like to try to do these things.

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Speaker 1: But I don't like I feel comfortable. I can do

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Speaker 1: one hundred push ups in five minutes, no issue, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean the reality is you have to break it

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Speaker 1: do sets of ten or twenty push up and then

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Speaker 1: time yourself trying to do push ups. Most people can

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Speaker 1: even do ten push ups, right like the average man

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Speaker 2: In right around twelve minutes. It's easy, it is.

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Speaker 1: Any fancy attributes or you know, bench press machines or

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Speaker 1: Gauntlet Throne. I bet hardly anybody in the Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck audience can do it right now. Yeah, well, oh

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Speaker 1: hardly anyone. No, We've we got a lot of meat

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Speaker 2: Even even fifty pull ups, real pull up.

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Speaker 1: There's some former there's some retired Green Berets and seals

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Speaker 1: I got something to throw in the mix here. We're

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Speaker 1: fixing DC crime, I promise, because we may be rolling

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Speaker 1: with the secondary defense at some point. We've talked to

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Speaker 1: him and his team about this to join the press

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Speaker 1: Do you think you could be Pete in an arm

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I think Pete Pete is like

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Speaker 1: But another time I'll find another one. We're gonna get you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get you in some kind of a physical

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Speaker 1: challenge here with some Besson's got no chance. What nick

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Speaker 1: I still think we're gonna get you and Peep, We're

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Speaker 1: like a pull up child or something with YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck Mom.

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Speaker 1: Donnie over the weekend decided to hop on a bench

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Speaker 1: press at a public event and he was unable to

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