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Speaker 1: it's the second part of our episode on the Church

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Speaker 1: Billy Drinking Bleach with Billy Wayne Davis. We're gonna pass.

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Speaker 1: We're a hard pass. Have you like HBO, like after

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Speaker 1: point where he would he had He broke numerous people's

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00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: bones and hospitalized several people. Um, and he was very large,

424
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: and his parents weren't into any woo bullshit or anything

425
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: like that. They were insistent on keeping the kid in

426
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: the home though, because a lot of people had advised

427
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: them to, like, you put the kid in a full

428
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: time sort of residential facility because he's dangerous. And this

429
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: kid's dad his mom got uh I think her like

430
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: jaw broken and then a month later his dad had

431
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: his arm broken. And they were still intent on keeping

432
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: this kid in the home because that's what you do

433
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: to your kid. You take care of them if they

434
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: if they need your help like this, And at the

435
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: time I thought they were crazy, and now I've come

436
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: around to believing, like, no, that's just somebody with a

437
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: really intense understanding of the responsibility that a parent should

438
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: have to their kid. The people who put bleach up

439
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: their child's asshole and refused to accept the reality of

440
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: their situation. That's crazy. Yes, you know, without a doubt, No,

441
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: it is. It's because it's like that old Chris rock

442
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: By about like you're just bragging about the things you're

443
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing a good dad, blah blah blah.

444
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: He's like, no, you're just you're supposed to do those things.

445
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Yeah, it is like a it's uh.

446
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: The non verbal thing is very fascinating. We have some

447
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: family friends who have a adult non verbal but they

448
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: learned that he can They give him a keyboard and

449
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: he can say things, and like, yeah, that's almost eighteen

450
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: or nine team I think before that happened, and I

451
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: just think about that moment when they learned that he

452
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: could communicate and he was listening, like I get chills

453
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: talking about because it is that thing of like, yeah,

454
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: if you're shoving bleach up his asses whole life, you

455
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: don't never have that fucking moment where it's like that

456
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: there's just something with his wires. He can't verbally communicate,

457
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: but he's very smart and very together, And that's what's

458
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: so evil about it to me. Instead of devoting the

459
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: time that a real loving parent would devote to trying

460
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make your kid's life as

461
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: good as it can be and how to communicate with

462
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: them and work with them, you're just so obsessed with

463
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: quote unquote fixing them or recovering them, as is Carrie's language,

464
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: that you never for a second listen to them. It's

465
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: the same mental thing where it's like you think something's

466
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: wrong with your kid because they're gay. It's that exactly too.

467
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: I think religion has a little bit to do with

468
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: both of what we're talking about, and it's this there's

469
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: nothing inherently wrong about the idea of like, I'm sure

470
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great mothers out there who feel

471
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: that their mother's intuition is very important and have been

472
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: right about a lot of things, but it's this idea

473
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: there's there I think I think where it gets dangerous

474
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: is when mother's intuition crosses the line into I don't

475
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: need to listen to anyone, including my kid, because I

476
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: know what's best for them. Yeah, that's what's gross to me.

477
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Um Anyway. I found an NBC seven Chicago article about

478
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Carrie Rivera from two fifteen. It interviews Dr Karen Radwan

479
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: of the University of Chicago. He expressed utter despair at

480
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: the number of parents who had reached out to him

481
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: to express a willingness to try any kind of treatment,

482
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: even insane, dangerous, and bleached based ones, to cure their child.

483
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: They will tell me, I know there is not much

484
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: evidence in this, but I still want to try it.

485
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: I know that sometimes people will close their eyes because

486
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: of their desperate, hopeless situations. Yeah. They also talked to

487
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Carrie Rivera. She claimed that her own son, diagnosed with

488
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: autism at age three, was proof that her treatments work. Quote.

489
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: My son was immediately looking me in the eyes. He

490
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: was smiling at me. He was back almost as if

491
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: he had come back to his body. Autism is treatable,

492
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: it's avoidable, and I believe that it's curable as the

493
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: symptoms go away. That diagnosis fades as well. Carrie Rivera Yeah. Now,

494
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: The Guardian caught up with Carrie next. By that point,

495
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: she'd started to claim that her protocol had cured a

496
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy children of autism. She said, the people

497
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: who criticized here for poisoning children with bleach were haters

498
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: and trolls. Quote. If in fact chlorine dioxide where this toxic,

499
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: poisonous bleach, there would be a sea of dead children.

500
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: How can this be bad if people are healing and

501
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: nobody's dying? Solid logic there, Yeah, as a colostomy bag.

502
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: I actually found a response carry pinned to her critics

503
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: after her book on bleaching Autism Away was removed from Amazon.

504
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: It included her directly addressing the criticism that her miracle

505
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: cure is just bleach. Quote. This is is like done

506
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: as a Q and a sort of thing. So here's

507
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: the queue. Chlorine dioxide is nothing more than an industrial bleach.

508
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: You might as well go to the store and buy

509
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: chlorox and drink. That carry responds, Yes, you are right

510
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: that chlorine dioxide is used in industry. In fact, so

511
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: with salt, water, vinegar, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, and countless other

512
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: important chemicals. This is not mean it has no value

513
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: as a medicine or food. In fact, kumadin, where faring

514
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: is a common blood thinner, it is also a useful

515
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: as a rat poison. You don't just take warfare and

516
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: any old time you want that. It has a lot

517
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: of side effects. It's prescribed in specific situations and also

518
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: in a different formulation that you use as a rat poison. Oh,

519
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just if you're you need some blood dinner,

520
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just eat some rat poison. No, no, no,

521
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: In fact, do not do that. Okay, okay uh. Anyone

522
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: who thinks carry again. Anyone who thinks the c D

523
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: autism protocol it advocates pouring bleaching strength c D and

524
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: a child or adult isn't even closed having their facts straight.

525
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: That chlorine is a chemical constituent of c D is

526
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: a media spin master's dream come true for those who

527
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: have no knowledge of chemistry. I should point out that

528
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: plain table salt has chlorine as a key constituent. The

529
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: bleach you used to whiten your clothes is a very

530
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: different chemical sodium hypochlorite, and I actually suggest you never

531
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: drink it or you will have a problem. Any journalist

532
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: suggesting the household bleach is the same as chlorine dioxide

533
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 1: should be fired. I should note that one point of

534
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: the ABC report and MMS was to use it to

535
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: bleach clothing because it's bleach. Also, no one is saying

536
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: that chlorine dioxide is the same as household bleach. Everyone

537
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I've seen reporting on it points out that it's industrial bleach. Jeez, Now,

538
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: what is her game? Is it just to get money?

539
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I suspect she really believes that it works.

540
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, maybe some of it's that there's

541
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of moms out there whose kids are kind

542
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: of on the I guess you'd say, lighter end of

543
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: the autism spectrum and are able to communicate well enough

544
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: to realize that if they keep doing certain engaging in

545
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: certain behaviors that are like behaviors associated with autism, their

546
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: mom will keep force feeding them bleach. So they stopped

547
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: doing those things because they don't want bleaching them. And

548
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: then mom says, I cured my son, and it's like, no,

549
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: you tortured him into not acting a certain way, the

550
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: same way kids with Asperger syndrome used to get hit

551
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: by teachers until they acted quote unquote normal, like that's

552
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Um, that would be my guess. Uh.

553
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Or she's just lying about it all because it makes

554
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: her a lot of money. Totally possible to but the

555
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: insistence makes it seem more than just money, because there

556
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: is like an like like there is like I'm a

557
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: right right about this. Yeah, there's this this this righteousness

558
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: cloaking it That makes me think she believes some extent

559
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: of it, although with grifters it's always hard to tell,

560
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: because the key to being a successful grifter is to

561
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever give up

562
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: on the grift or admit that you've ever been wrong.

563
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: And also if you're someone who believes that you're a

564
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: righteous healer, you'll of course never ever ever admit that

565
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: you've ever been wrong. Um So, because it was just

566
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: about the money, I think she would move on from

567
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these people instead of just being like, no,

568
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: poured up in their asshole, you should do that. Like

569
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff like that makes me believe like

570
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: on some level she's like this is I am right

571
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: about this? I'm i am right on this. Yeah. Now

572
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: an two fifteen, the Attorney General of Illinois went after

573
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Carry for violating Section two of the Consumer Fraud Act.

574
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: She had to sign a certificate of voluntary compliance promising

575
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: to stop advocating for bleach based cures of autism. So

576
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: for a while, it looked like she was out of

577
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: the bleach prescribing game. Unfortunately, plenty of other people are

578
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: still in it. Uh into that's a nineteen NBC News

579
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: published an article about a group of moms who had

580
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: gone undercover in several Facebook groups that were still spreading

581
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: the gospel of bleaching autism away. The moms were motivated

582
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: by horrific posts from other dumber moms, like this one

583
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: posted about a two year old who was not taking

584
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: both to his bleach treatments. Quote, my son is constantly

585
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: making a gasping sound. He won't open his mouth, he screams, spits,

586
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: flips over again. This complete refusal to listen to your

587
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: child's signals. Like whether or not that two year old

588
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: is verbal in any way, shape or form. I would

589
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: say he's communicating. He's saying stop bleaching me said, I

590
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: think he's trying to tell you something right now, and

591
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: stop doing that. Don't do that to me. I don't

592
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: like and this is. This is why there's a charity

593
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: called Autism Speaks, and there's a number I'm not going

594
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: to get into the entirety of the reasons that a

595
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: lot of autistic people have issues with it um, but

596
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: one big issue they have, I think with Autism Speaks

597
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: and with a lot of different sort of autism based

598
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: charity organizations that aren't centered around actual autistic people, is

599
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: this focus on like ending autism um. Whereas a lot

600
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: of these people be like, that's kind of offensive. This

601
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: is just like a part of who I am, and

602
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: it's a thing that like makes my life different. But

603
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't, like, it's kind of fucked up that you're

604
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: just focused on eradicating this thing rather than listening to

605
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: me and understanding me and people like me and helping

606
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: us exist in society like everyone else. Uh, Like disability

607
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: advocates people who are like advocate, Not that it's the

608
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: same thing, but like, you don't go to people with

609
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: like if you're if you're trying to help wheel people

610
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: with wheelchairs access more stores by putting in ramps, like

611
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: that's a good thing because you're listening to a problem

612
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: people have. You don't just go like, let's eradicate people

613
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: who don't know like that have who can't walk or whatever,

614
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: like you know, we can't walk in direct Yeah, that'd

615
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: be great, but it's not gonna happen. They did. They

616
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: gave us to me a chair that moves. Yeah, and

617
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: if you, if you put in this one thing, if

618
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: you listen to what we're saying, you can make our

619
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: lives easier. Like yeah, it's it's it's all part of

620
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: the same, like fucked up behavior. Um, it's just this

621
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: is the most toxic variant of that. And sort of

622
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: the people who are focused on eradicating autism are still

623
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: doing a toxic thing, but on a totally different sort

624
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: of end of the scale. Um. Yeah, anyway, I shouldn't

625
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: wait into that too much because I have not done

626
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: all my research on autism speaks or any of that,

627
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: but listeners should know there's like a very big debate

628
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: within sort of the community of of of autistic people

629
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: and advocates and whatnot over a lot of this stuff.

630
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: So like the toxic stuff that career of Era represents

631
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: is like again part of a spectrum of toxic behavior. Now, Billy,

632
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's not part of a spectrum of toxic behavior.

633
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: I do have the products and services that support our show,

634
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: uh through their advertising dollars. I hope it's like for bleach. Yeah,

635
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: I hope it's just bleach. Bleach. You drink it, it's

636
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: it's for curing. It's for curing depressed by the state

637
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: of the world. In the Year of Our Lord twenty nineteen, bleach,

638
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: you won't be here as long. We would become billionaires

639
00:36:49,360 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: in a year. All right, uh, products, we're back. I

640
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed those ads for bleach code brand drinking bleach,

641
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: the only drinking bleach that also has a little hint

642
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: of lemon it a cree Yeah, what if we could

643
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: what if we could mix lacroix with with bleach. I

644
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: think we would print money. I think we mint this

645
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: bleach tastes like pomegranate and there's no calories. M hmm,

646
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: zero cal bleach is really like, that's the next level

647
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: of this grift. So uh yeah. I was talking about

648
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: an NBC News article from just like a couple of

649
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: weeks ago about a group of moms who went undercover

650
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: in several Facebook groups to try and like talk about

651
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: the fact that Facebook has essentially allowed the spread of

652
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: this very toxic set of behaviors that's poisoning children, and

653
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: these mothers were abusing their children. UM. NBC talked to

654
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: several of the moms doing this activism. They also reached

655
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: out to Carrie Rivera quote. Rivera declined to be interviewed

656
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: by NBC News, but an email she defended chlorine dioxide

657
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: and her credentials. This is a medical issue. I have

658
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: a degree and homeopathy and work with m d s

659
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: and PhD scientists, she wrote. Rivera did not respond to

660
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: request for more information about these doctors in the institution

661
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: that granted her degree, so that seems above board. UM. Now,

662
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: the article that I found also included solid data on

663
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the human toll taken by this incredibly stupid treatment. It

664
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: noted that in the last five years, poison control centers

665
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: nationwide have dealt with sixteen thousand, five hundred and twenty

666
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: one cases of chlorine dioxide poisoning. Of those cases involved

667
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: children under twelve. Fifty of those cases were life threatening,

668
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: and eight people died. Now, we don't know how many

669
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: of those people were autistic, or how many of those

670
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: poisonings involved purposeful MMS ingestion rather than terrible accidents, but

671
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: they did review a separate FDA database that found the

672
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: case of a six year old autistic girl hospitalized with

673
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: liver failure from chlorine dioxide exposure in two thousand seventeen.

674
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: So it does seem to be opening. Um, so that's cool,

675
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean I would act like I'm shocked.

676
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: But there was a tide pod epidemic of people eating

677
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: that for a while, so it's like, yeah, I don't

678
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: even know how much of that was real and how

679
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: much of it was people Like nobody was taking tide

680
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: pods to cure their illnesses. No, that's true, but yeah,

681
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: that was to get sucked up, which is I understand

682
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: that as dumb as when my friends and I would

683
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: drink an entire pint glass of tequila to see how

684
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: much we could vomit. Um, Like, it was like, that's

685
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: dumb and it couldn't land you in the hospital, but

686
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: you know it's dumb when you do it. It's like

687
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: drinking a gallon of milk because you know you'll puke

688
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: at some point to see how far you can get.

689
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: You know you're poisoning yourself. That's the hope you're going

690
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: to vomit. Yeah, nobody's like, no, drinking a gallon of

691
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: milk will get rid of that fucking uh that tumor

692
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: on your arm or whatever. Well, that is just that's

693
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: totally different. Yeah, I guess you're right. But it's also

694
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: like the bleach thing is it's just so wrong, Like

695
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: it's so clearly like this is not like that's a

696
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: desperate It's just a weird to me. It's fascinating that

697
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: the human brain can do those mental gymnastics to be like, well,

698
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: this is probably work. Yeah, we are incredible animals. By incredible,

699
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean incredibly dumb animals. Um and I hate us.

700
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Uh now that too. That's a nine. NBC article also

701
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: included the horrible story of Jose Serrano, who was an

702
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Indianapolis father who in two That's an eighteen called the

703
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: police several times to complain that his wife was forcing

704
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: their two year old to drink bleach as an autism cure.

705
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: The police called CPS, who removed the child from the

706
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: mother's home. Jose and his wife were separated for reasons

707
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: that I think are explained by the fact that his

708
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: mom was or his ex wife was forcing their child

709
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: to drink bleach um. Yeah, yeah, communication issues. Serrano twenty nine,

710
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: he was separated from his wife at the time, told

711
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: NBC News that she had been secretly dosing their daughter

712
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: in the bathroom to hide it from him and the

713
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: rest of her family, who all disapproved. She was just

714
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: frustrated with the autism, Serrano said. She learned about the

715
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: concoction and a Facebook group. According to the police report,

716
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: she wasn't listening to anybody, Serrano said. When we found out,

717
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: we told her, her brothers told her. I don't know

718
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: if she's still in her delusional world, but she's always

719
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: looking for the solution, which it seems like Jose's actually

720
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: got a pretty good line on what's going on in

721
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: these moms heads. Yeah yeah. Now, during this episode, I

722
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: have expressed a lot of frustration at busybody mothers who

723
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: poisoned their kids because they think they know better than doctors.

724
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: But it's worth noting that this whole problem has only

725
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: started to get better thanks to the equally dogged work

726
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: of a group of activist moms who were horrified about

727
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: all of the bleach poisonings. Uh Emma Dalmain is probably

728
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: the first of these activists. She's a London based mom

729
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: with allis um herself and with autistic children, so you

730
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: can see why the cause of stopping Charlatan's from selling

731
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: autism cures is rather personal for her. She started her

732
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: crusade by infiltrating Carrie Rivera's Facebook groups and making videos

733
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: about the parents she found poisoning kids in those places.

734
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: Her work led to a series of articles in The

735
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Daily Mirror, which prompted Facebook to close several of Carrie

736
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: Rivera's pages quote, but administrators for the band groups, including Rivera,

737
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: simply created new private groups and more carefully vetted would

738
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: be members. The problem is you managed to get one

739
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: knocked down and it reopens the next day, but it

740
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: goes secret. Dalmaine said, So unless you've got a good

741
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: fake profile, which I have, and your friends with people

742
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: in these groups who will tell you where the next

743
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: secret group is opened, you can't report them. A lot

744
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: of them I'm not in and we'll never know about.

745
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: So this is the problem. It's this, it's it's an

746
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: adjacent problem to the issues of like Nazis on the

747
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: Internet and stuff like there's problem. Yeah, yeah, it's the

748
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: people who invented these things only cared about spreading them

749
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: as much as possible and never cared about, well, how

750
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: will they be used? Um, it's the gun industry in

751
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: a nutshell. Um, look at all these are fifteen we're selling.

752
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Who's buying them? Look at how many we're selling. Who's

753
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: buying them? We're selling so many, so many many, A

754
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: lot of guys posting swastika flags and all their A

755
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: R fifties, so many sales. Yeah, it is that. I

756
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: just it's such a weird industry. I mean, I understand

757
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: it's predatory, but to be like the grift is going

758
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: after people that are in a desperate mode. Yes, that

759
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: this one, I don't think. I don't think Humble started

760
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: it like his was more like it was purely snake

761
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: oil because he was Yeah, because goddamn anything, fucking everything. Yeah,

762
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: and then this one she's like no. But that's why

763
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: I think there is some weird personal thing where she

764
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: thinks she's figured something out too. Yeah. I think she's

765
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: more likely to be a true believer than the Jim

766
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: Humble is. I think Jim Humble I just wanted head

767
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: as a man with a dream of making money by

768
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: selling bleach water. Um. Now you may have noted at

769
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: this point that it sure seems like Carrie Rivera is

770
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: not abiding by the promises she made to the Attorney

771
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: General of Illinois to stop selling bleach water as a treatment.

772
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: Somebody should really do something about that, maybe the Attorney

773
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: General of Illinois. I don't want to tell the guy

774
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: how to do his job, but it does seem like

775
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: an issue. Although since Kerry is apparently based in Mexico,

776
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: like all of these grifters eventually are, I don't know

777
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: how much the Attorney General of Mexico or of Illinois

778
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: could actually do. Now. Dalmains were inspired other activists, and

779
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: these activist moms gradually raised enough awareness that the big

780
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: companies whose platforms enabled all this horror were forced to

781
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: take more action. Amazon band Carrie Rivera's book from their platform. Finally,

782
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: in March of two, two thousand and nineteen, Rivera complained

783
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: that this d platform ing would quote decreased public awareness

784
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: of her message, and that Amazon was responding to media

785
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: generated hysteria. Shortly after that, YouTube begetting purge of some

786
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: of Rivera's videos, removing several that directly encouraged the chlorine treatment.

787
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: YouTube told NBC that the videos had been removed for

788
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: violating their standards against encouraging activities that quote have an

789
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: inherent risk of physical harm. That's most YouTube videos. Yeah,

790
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: that is most YouTube videos. It's kind of the whole

791
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: service at this point. Yeah, because you watch this is

792
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna get something hurt or something's gonna get hurt. Yeah,

793
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of YouTube's charm. I love watching

794
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: ski fails and based jumping fails. Um. Yeah, but yeah

795
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: that that seems less harmful than this. Well that's that's

796
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: a choice. It's like UFC, I don't mind that. Yeah. Yeah,

797
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: he chose that, yeah, to be in that situation, friend. Um. Now.

798
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: Yahoo came next, canceling Carrie Rivera's mail account after an

799
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: activist named Eaton email the company to let them know

800
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Carry was using the account to push poison on desperate mothers.

801
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: True to form, Facebook was the very last big company

802
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: to do the right thing that deleted Carry Rivera's public profile.

803
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: Rivera responded, Facebook wants to destroy our autism self help community.

804
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: Now thirty one families that came to this page for advice,

805
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: questions and solas have an essence been kicked off Facebook.

806
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: That's not entirely true. See Carry evera still has a

807
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: personal Facebook page, as well as professional pages for her

808
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: line of diet supplements. She's into the keyto thing. Uh so,

809
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess those are only marginally less toxic than

810
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: her bleached drinks. So Facebook didn't d platform her. They

811
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: just said we're not going to platform your bleach drinking business.

812
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: She also still has a YouTube account and regularly shows

813
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: up in videos on other people's channels advocating chlorine treatment.

814
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I found her in one video that was published this March,

815
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: titled Healing from the Spectrum. It currently has more than views.

816
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: The video is a window into a very particular chunk

817
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: of the internet crazy people ecosystem. I wanted you to

818
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: take a look, Billy, at what is actually displayed on

819
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: the screen while Carrie talks in this video, because it's

820
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: something else. Why don't you, why don't you try to

821
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: describe what you're seeing to our readers there listeners, not readers.

822
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: People don't read podcasts. I mean it is on the left.

823
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: It looks like four books from that you would see

824
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: from like it looks like an Alex Jones documentary cover.

825
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: But they're like Sacred Word Publishing bookstore for truth seekers. Yes, yes, so,

826
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I was very right about that. It just

827
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the there's always there's an all seeing

828
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: eye on every book cover with the triangle, and then

829
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: their skulls and secrets, and it's just a lot of

830
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: a lot of that's that conspiracy symbolism is all over

831
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: the books. And then right it's mercury poisoning and autism.

832
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: It isn't a coincidence. And there's just a cute little

833
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: blondhead boy that looked like it could be my son.

834
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: And then it says, Okay, I'm gonna read. Can you

835
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: let me read these out loud? We could just sum

836
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: it up. There's like, on the left its symptoms of

837
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: autism and children, on the right symptoms of mercury poisoning

838
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: and children. And they're the same. Yeah, oh my god,

839
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Well that proves it. Yeah, I I believe that the

840
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: same people who are trying to sell me a copy

841
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: of the fantastic book Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, uh

842
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: know about mercury poisoning. Uh. Now during this interview, carry

843
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: plugs both her Keto diet plan and her website about

844
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: curing autism. I visited the website. The first thing you

845
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: see is a rip off of the Google logo, but

846
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: in the name of her site, which is c D

847
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: autism followed by the subheading autism Avoidable, treatable, curable. If

848
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: you're wondering what se autism stands for and stands for

849
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: chlorine dioxide. Um. So, while YouTube has kind of removed

850
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: some of her videos, she's still allowed to talk to

851
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: audiences of thousands of people about chlorine dioxide as long

852
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: as she does it on other videos and doesn't put

853
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: chlorine dioxide in the title because algorithms are super good

854
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: at stopping the spread of toxic behavior. Now on her website,

855
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Carrie now claims to have recovered five hundred and fifty

856
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: seven children from autism. Her website includes a link to

857
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: her speech at the two thousand nineteen Autism One conference.

858
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: So that's fantastic, uh. In the speech, she brags about

859
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: a video interview she gave recently that was viewed more

860
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: than two hundred thousand times on YouTube. Much of her

861
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: speech seems to be her complaining Laura lumer like about

862
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: the fact that she has been heavily d platform from

863
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: social media. She includes a quote from Vlock of hovel

864
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: a Czechoslovakian politician and dissident. You do not become a

865
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: dissident just because you decide one day to take up

866
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: this most unusual career. You were thrown into it by

867
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: your personal sense of response ability combined with a complex

868
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: set of external circumstances. You were cast out of the

869
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them.

870
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: It begins as an attempt to do your work well

871
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and ends with being branded an enemy of society. No. No,

872
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: you have to be in those institutions to be thrown

873
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: out of to begin with that. Yeah, you have to

874
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: be doing the work the correct way for them to

875
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: be like. No, that's you're creating your own martyrdom when

876
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: you weren't even in the fucking thing. It's that bullshit. Yeah.

877
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: And for a little bit of reference about who luck

878
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Love Hovel was, who she's quoting, because he's he was

879
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: an actual dissident. He was a direct democracy advocate, a humanitarian,

880
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: an early environmentalist, and a fierce opponent of the USSR

881
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: who invaded his country in the nineteen sixties. He was

882
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: arrested multiple times. He spent four brutal years in a

883
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: Soviet prison for his work, which was mostly like writing

884
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: plays and speaking on the radio. Carrie Rivera, on the

885
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: other hand, got partly kicked off of several social media

886
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: sites because they're bleaching them as boys and children. One

887
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: of these people gets to call themselves a dissident, the

888
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: other does not. I think they do. You know what

889
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: they do understand the power of language and certain buzzwords,

890
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: because that's a powerful word. Dissident. Yes, yeah, it's It's

891
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of like how guys like um, Christopher Cantwell, the

892
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: crying Nazi from the Vice Charlottesville documentary, has tried to

893
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: rebrand neo Nazism as the dissident right, um, because it

894
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: makes it sound like there's some something righteous about it,

895
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: rather than like, no, nobody, it's you're not dissidents. Nobody

896
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: wants you around because you're fucking Nazis. Yes, yeah, you're

897
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: not a dissident, Carey Rivera. Nobody wants you around because

898
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: you're bleaching children to death. Like, yeah, you're not calling

899
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: out some wrong and we're cause of being squatted away.

900
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: You're just being like high stuff. Nate should be more wrong,

901
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: and people are like no, no, when you're like you

902
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: guys are preventing yeah, you're holding me back from doing

903
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: my wrong. It's one of my real fucking pet peeves

904
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: is when shitty people use quotes by like her actual

905
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: heroes to like try and draw a connection between the two.

906
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: Like from everything I could tell if luck love Hovel

907
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: was like pretty righteous dude, really put his ass on

908
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: the line for the things he believed in and standing

909
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: up against a tyrannical regime that was like driving tanks

910
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: over people. Uh, like fucking Carrie Rivera, like I hate

911
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: you so much, Like just like, it's just proof you

912
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: can't pick your fans. Yeah, you can't pick your fans

913
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: as true and stand up as it is. Oh yeah,

914
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ is medicine. Yeah, proof you can't pick your

915
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: fans either. You think he'd be like, whoa, whoa, you

916
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: guys are taking a lot of what I did out

917
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: of context. It would be funny if he came back

918
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: and was like, know, the only people who got it

919
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: right are the ones selling bleach water. Every everyone else

920
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: is wrong. I would just start smoking cigarettes and be like, huh, well,

921
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: I kind of like him now, kind of as a

922
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: man with a plan. Kind of funny. It's kind of

923
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: funny now I was turning water into bleach water, not wine.

924
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: That's a translation error. The guy that wrote that was

925
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: a drunk, you guys. So I think that's most of

926
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: what I have to say about Carrie Rivera. We are

927
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: not done talking about miracle mineral solution quite yet, because,

928
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: for some reason known only to the dark gods of chaos,

929
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: no good grift ever truly dies. In the wake of

930
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: that NBC article, a number of major mm S adherents

931
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: were spurred to action in order to protect their right

932
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: to drink bleach and also shoot bleach up the butts

933
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: of their children. I think many of Now I will

934
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: say this you, I think every human should have the

935
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: right to drink as much bleach as they want. Where

936
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: you lose right, you can't put it in children's butts,

937
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: or make that exactly exactly. You yourself can drink as

938
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: much bleach as you want. I will. I will fight

939
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: for your right to drink bleach on your own time. Um,

940
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: but not you're not your kid ye. Now. Uh. Many

941
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: of these people who got angry at NBC for attacking

942
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: the bleach drinking, the bleach drinking community, it's the thing

943
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: we have in many of these people just so happened

944
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: to be prominent and active members of the q and

945
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: On community. Yeah that's there, we go, Yes, yeah, of

946
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: course we were going to get there. Oh yeah, it's

947
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: fucking beautiful. Jordan's Sator, who brands himself on Twitter as

948
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: a truth warrior and spiritual gangster with more than ninety

949
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: thousand followers, posted this on May One. YouTube removed my

950
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: video on MMS three weeks ago, which was the most

951
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: popular truthful video on YouTube about it. Now, the media

952
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: is ramping out up their dis info propaganda against MMS

953
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: since their truth and certain lies. That's how they've always

954
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: done it now in their spots. To this tweet, another

955
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: q and On fan named Keck Jackson replied, I'm actually

956
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: drinking MMS right now for stupp and guess what it's working.

957
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Fuck you Big Pharma and your fake news BS. That's

958
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: fuck you. You didn't stop me. And you know what,

959
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm actually fine with all of this, Like like these

960
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: people like it, Well, i'd be fine with it if

961
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: I didn't suspect most of them had kids that they

962
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: were also feeding bleached to. But like this Keck Jackson

963
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: sitting alone in his laptop and drinking bleach, fine, with it. Yeah,

964
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: I am that makes me happy on some laft where

965
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: you're just like, well this is good. Yeah, Now Jordan's

966
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: say they're shot back to that tweet with the response quote,

967
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: I've drank m M S A k A chlorine dioxide,

968
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: brushed my teeth with it, breathed it, cleaned with it,

969
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: used it topically. If MMS was a toxic bleach, I

970
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: should be dead. Sorry f d A in fake news media,

971
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: you lose this one. So it looks like the bleach

972
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: drinking subculture still has quite a bit of gas left

973
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: in the tank. It's hard to believe that if you,

974
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: if you will, if you're susceptible to drinking bleach, that

975
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: it's also hard to convince you that it's not good

976
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean. Yeah, you'd be

977
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: probably shot stubborn if you're like, no bleach is good,

978
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: No bleach is gonna heal me. Yeah, you're just like

979
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: puk and blood and you're like, that's the it's the process.

980
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: Fucking worms coming out of me. No one your eyes

981
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: passed out, It's part of it. It's part of the process.

982
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh boy, fuck you, I'm gonna keep drinking bleach. Fucking

983
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: amazing people are such remarkable creatures. Well, it's like the

984
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: lady that died drinking water on the radio. But at

985
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: least she was trying to win a game cube, Like,

986
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: at least that makes sense to a degree, Like she

987
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: wanted a free game cube and didn't think water would

988
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: kill her. That is I mean, that is a good

989
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: point where you're like, it's water, right, Well, it does

990
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: kill people a lot, and she would have won a

991
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: free game cube there, there was more. She had more

992
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: to gain than anyone drinking bleach, and she actually died.

993
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: The rest of them Like I drink bleach all the time.

994
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm fine, mm hmm, well drink more of it. It

995
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: does lead me to believe that if we started offering

996
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: a free Xbox for the people who could drink the

997
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: most bleach, we might get rid of a lot of

998
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: our worst voters. Like, oh my god, like that that

999
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: that could work, or like a free show on Fox News,

1000
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: Like you get your own show if you drink the

1001
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: most bleach, You get your own Fox News show if

1002
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: you can drink the most bleach, And like we took

1003
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: care of a lot of nonsense today. If we wanted

1004
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: to like provide our own equally evil response to like

1005
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: far right voter suppression efforts and a lot of the

1006
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: South like that's how we could do it. Free haircuts

1007
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: and bleach, free haircuts and bleach. Oh Jesus, all right, well, Billy,

1008
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: that's that's my whole script about the bleach drinking church

1009
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: and bleach drinking subculture. I will say this about both

1010
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: the episodes. I've been oder all four, I guess, but

1011
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: the two stories is it's like pop music where I'll

1012
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: never be I'll never write a good pop song because

1013
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I have too much faith in humanity to write a

1014
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm always like this,

1015
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: no one would ever like this nonsense, And then you

1016
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: hear a pop song and people like this is good

1017
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: and it always says just nonsense. But like this is

1018
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: the same thing where it was like I would never

1019
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: think that human beings would this would be something I

1020
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: could sell them. Yeah, And that's there's an element of

1021
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: respect that you have to have for Jim Humble for

1022
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: just being the guy who was like, what can I

1023
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: claim as medicine so that I can make money selling

1024
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: people fucking bleach? Like like essential oils is an easy

1025
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: con Like just like everyone likes the way they smell,

1026
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: like people like nice sense. That's why incense has been

1027
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: a popular industry for fucking twenty years. Like this we

1028
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: know of about it is it's bad. Yeah, it's bleach

1029
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: is bad for human that's the one thing we know

1030
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: about it. And he's like, I think I can sell

1031
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: this to I think I could get people drink at

1032
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: this ship. And he was fucking right, And you know

1033
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: what it is that Yes, the jiming is what bothers me.

1034
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Is the woman that came on, let's get it to kids.

1035
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: I know it was a fun thing until then. I

1036
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: was really enjoying this subculture. Until you brought defenseless children

1037
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: into it. They can't come on. Of course they'll drink it.

1038
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: They have to come on, Yeah, they have to. You

1039
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: ruined the fun thing that Jim was. Ruined the fun thing.

1040
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: You ruined bleach drinking for all of us, Carrie RIVERA

1041
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: god damn you. Jim Humble was just a decent, billion

1042
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: year old god navy man who wanted to teach people

1043
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: the wonders of bleach drinking because he got zapped with knowledge,

1044
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: because he it's the apped with electric knowledge by aliens.

1045
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: Although he says in the video that he thinks they

1046
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: were actually trying to hinder him from his discovery of

1047
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: a miracle mineral solution. I mean, he's got a lot

1048
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: of stuff going on. It's just there's a big old

1049
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: war going on at Jim Humble's mind. Yes, there's something

1050
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: going on in there in both sides are in on it. Yeah. Uh,

1051
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne want to yes, Uh. You can buy my

1052
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: album at Third Records dot com, the store dot com

1053
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: and then BWD tour for all my dates upcoming. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to Providence, Rhode Island, Zany's in Nashville, a couple

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Speaker 1: other places just looking up. And then Billy Wayne Davis

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Speaker 1: on All the Specials, Billy Wayne Davis on all the

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Speaker 1: Socials by his album, It will Cure your crones disease.

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Speaker 1: Know what it will do is if you've been drinking bleach,

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Speaker 1: it will heal you from from the bleach drinking. That's

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01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: a good idea, but it won't if you put in

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Speaker 1: your body, it won't do anything for that just a

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Speaker 1: world No, yeah, yeah it will. It will. It will

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Speaker 1: cause you horrible intestinal distress, much like drinking bleach. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you eat it, don't eat albums. Don't eat bleach,

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Speaker 1: but you know what you can eat? Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: go to behind the Bastards dot com, find the sources

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Speaker 1: for this episode, print them out and eat that. Cellulose

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Speaker 1: contains valuable digestifibers. Carbon. Everyone needs carbon, Everyone needs carbon.

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Speaker 1: So you can also go to Twitter and find me

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Speaker 1: at I right, okay, and print out my tweets and

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Speaker 1: eat them. Same benefits. Uh. You can print out tweets

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01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: and Instagram pages from at bastards pod. Uh. You can

1073
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: also buy shirts from te Public as well as you know,

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Speaker 1: cups and stuff, all of which you can eat and

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Speaker 1: gay unspecified medical benefits from. So and you can find

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Speaker 1: the go fund me where you can send Robert and

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Speaker 1: I to Haiti so we will become reverend doctors. You're

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Speaker 1: you're right. You can find the go fund Me Reverend

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Speaker 1: doctor account, so that so that we could become Reverend

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Speaker 1: doctor Billy Wayne Davis and Reverend doctor Robert Evans. Got

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Speaker 1: a ring. It's got a fucking ring to it. Yeah, yeah, alright, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: have I forgotten anything? No? She says, no, Have I

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Speaker 1: remembered anything? He said, yes, fantastic. That's the end of

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Speaker 1: the episode. Fucking turn off your headphones and go huggy Cat.