WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Weather Balloons

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry sitting in for Dave. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a good old fashioned straight ahead stuff. You should

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<v Speaker 1>know short stuff about something kind of science, but also

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<v Speaker 1>just really interesting in a bunch of different ways. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you've walked outside of your house or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you're on a hike through the woods in the wilderness

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<v Speaker 2>nearby and you've come across this weird synthetic, uh, Burst

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<v Speaker 2>rubber balloon laying on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you talking to me? Yes, you. Well, no, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. That settles that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say you had. There's a very good chance

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<v Speaker 2>that could be a weather balloon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wish I had. I would love to have

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<v Speaker 1>an anecdote about that, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you talking to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Chuck. Get this. I've never actually seen a weather

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<v Speaker 1>balloon in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's what we're talking about. Weather balloons. And I,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised we haven't covered this. These are, these are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cool and kind of a perfect short stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So, um, let's talk about these things because they're

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<v Speaker 1>the workhorse of weather and they really are just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of, um, couple of components, like a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>components that gets launched, um, Well, I guess let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the components. The big one is the balloon, but

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<v Speaker 1>the balloon is really kind of the dumbest part of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing because the balloon is there to carry

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<v Speaker 1>a box called a radiosonde, or radiosonde in French. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about the size of a shoebox. It doesn't say what

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<v Speaker 1>size shoebox. I mean, like, you know, Gary Coleman's shoebox

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<v Speaker 1>and Shaquille O'Neal's shoeboxes were different sizes, so they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get specific enough for my tastes.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were going to say Shaquille O'Neal, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>He has big feet, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does.

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<v Speaker 1>And these shoeboxes, whichever size they are, they have got

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<v Speaker 1>three really rudimentary crude atmospheric instruments. But it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>all you really need for these things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. They have something called a thermistor. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a little ceramic metal rod, and it is a thermometer.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a hydrostor. Is that how you pronounce that?

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<v Speaker 1>Hygrister?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. All right. One of the two. Soft G or

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<v Speaker 2>hard G? We're not sure. That is a humidity sensor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got a slide with a film of lithium chloride

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And it reads humidity through electrical resistance. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What else you got?

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<v Speaker 1>The aneroid barometer. Aneroid barometer. So it measures air pressure

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<v Speaker 1>because there's like a trigger here. that changes as the

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<v Speaker 1>air pressure around it changes and it's allowed to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of expand. And that's a big part of weather balloons

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<v Speaker 1>as a concept. The fact that the air pressure way

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<v Speaker 1>up high where they go, and they go really high,

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<v Speaker 1>changes has kind of worked into the design of how

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<v Speaker 1>these things work. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a fourth thing, to me, the most important thing. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>they all work together because they're all super important. And

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<v Speaker 2>if one of these has gone Well, actually, if the

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<v Speaker 2>thermometer was gone, you just wouldn't know the temperature and

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<v Speaker 2>you could still know the humidity and the air pressure, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being silly. What I'm saying is there's a transmitter

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<v Speaker 2>up there, you guys. There's a radio transmitter and it

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<v Speaker 2>relays this information down to the ground. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why that's important is because these balloons go up, up, up, up, up,

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<v Speaker 2>and they get bigger and bigger and bigger until they're,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're about five feet in diameter when they start.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time they get up to their dying point,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be as big as a moving truck. And

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<v Speaker 2>those things burst and everything crashes down to the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a little parachute that engages to take that

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<v Speaker 2>radio sonda down to the ground gently, but they're not

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<v Speaker 2>counting on finding that thing because that data has been

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<v Speaker 2>transmitted back already.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. And that's what makes it so much more advantageous

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<v Speaker 1>than what they were using back in the 20s and 30s,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like kites or maybe a plane. You had

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until the kite got reeled back in or

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<v Speaker 1>the plane landed to get the data you needed to

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<v Speaker 1>start doing calculations. This is, you know, almost real time data.

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<v Speaker 1>I say we take a break and we come back

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about weather balloon launches and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other things about weather balloons.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. Stuffed with Joshua and Charles Stuff you should.

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<v Speaker 1>Know Okay, Chuck, so there's some pretty neat stuff about

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<v Speaker 1>weather balloons that we haven't even begun to touch on, right? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first things is how high up they go.

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<v Speaker 1>They go up to what's known as the stratosphere, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the second to last layer before you hit outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>Second to last atmospheric layer before you hit outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something like 18 miles, I think. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>say that when you talked about it swelling up to

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a truck?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's about the distance that it can

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<v Speaker 2>go before you're in danger of rupturing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I mean, like, it's close to the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of space. Tristan Hopper, the How Stuff Works writer who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this, pointed out that, like, if the weather balloon

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<v Speaker 1>had eyes and a brain and all that, I'm adding

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<v Speaker 1>that part, and it looked up, it'd be the blackness

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<v Speaker 1>of outer space. But if it looked down, it'd see

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<v Speaker 1>the blue sky below it. So it's up there and

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty amazing. And then it pops and dies and

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<v Speaker 1>the radio song comes back to the ground. And because

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<v Speaker 1>these things work so well, because they're so actually cheap

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<v Speaker 1>to do, I think it's like a few hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to release one, which compared to other techniques like a

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<v Speaker 1>rocket launch or even an airplane ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very cheap. And so much so that they release

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<v Speaker 1>these things a couple of times a day to the

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<v Speaker 1>tune of like 67, 68,000 a year just in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They have 92 weather stations that they do those

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days. And they've been doing this for many,

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<v Speaker 2>many decades. When they first figured this out, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it since then. And there are more than 900

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<v Speaker 2>weather stations, I think, all over the world, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>that are doing this kind of thing. And the balloon

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<v Speaker 2>itself is neoprene. It's a synthetic rubber. It's filled with

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<v Speaker 2>either helium or hydrogen, depending on, you know, which big

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<v Speaker 2>gas you're in bed with. Hydrogen is cheaper. It can

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<v Speaker 2>lift a little bit better, and it's more easily extracted

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<v Speaker 2>from water, but it's really flammable, as you can recall

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<v Speaker 2>from the Hindenburg episode. So a lot of those things

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<v Speaker 2>have exploded. So a lot of people will go with

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<v Speaker 2>helium instead. But like you said, they're cheap. So they've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing this with weather balloons for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And the advantage, obviously, is that you're high up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you said they use kites before to predict

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<v Speaker 2>the weather, but The other thing they did was use

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<v Speaker 2>their eyeballs and would lick their finger and hold it

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<v Speaker 2>up in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a big point about weather balloons. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason that they let them go up so high or

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<v Speaker 1>they want them to go up so high is that

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<v Speaker 1>you can really tell a lot more about weather at

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<v Speaker 1>higher altitudes than you can from the ground because it

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<v Speaker 1>might look like a nice sunny day here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>But then just, you know, a couple tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of feet up in the air, there's like some disturbance

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<v Speaker 1>in the foreground. growing that's going to turn into a

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<v Speaker 1>major thunderstorm that's going to produce a tornado that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to kill a bunch of people. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>data about those things that are starting to form, you

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<v Speaker 1>can predict what's going to happen and warn people with

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<v Speaker 1>way more time than you could just from making ground-based observations.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's another reason why they're so relied on is

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<v Speaker 1>that all you need are these cheap instruments that are

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<v Speaker 1>designed to basically just fall back to Earth and be

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten about. And you can save, you know, lives of

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<v Speaker 1>people from the information they're relaying back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. It's kind of one of those just

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<v Speaker 2>lo-fi solutions that helps. If you think like, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens here? These things just fall out in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods like you're talking about or maybe hit somebody in

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<v Speaker 2>the head. Thankfully, I don't think that's happened yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>they do become litter, which is kind of the downer

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<v Speaker 2>of all this. You know, they can travel hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>miles if they're in a good wind current and they

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<v Speaker 2>can land anywhere basically. I think, you know, the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to send people out or trucks out or

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<v Speaker 2>helicopters out to go retrieve these is that defeats the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of these being cheap. But, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very cool, to me, the fact of the show is

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<v Speaker 2>if you come across one of those radio signs, it

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<v Speaker 2>comes with a postage paid envelope and you can put

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<v Speaker 2>that thing inside an old weather balloon and And mail

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<v Speaker 2>it back to the National Weather Service, and they'll send

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<v Speaker 2>it back up again.

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<v Speaker 1>They do. They send it back up, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>send you a Junior Weather Service Operators T-shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they really?

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<v Speaker 1>No. Oh, God.

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<v Speaker 2>They should.

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<v Speaker 1>They should, because I'm sure they get so few back

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<v Speaker 1>that you could do that kind of thing, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I got a new life goal, man. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>find one of these one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Maybe it's like the Nielsen people, and they send

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<v Speaker 1>you like three $ 1 bills. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we close, I think we have to mention, just

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<v Speaker 2>to keep from getting emails, we've got to mention the

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<v Speaker 2>lawn chair guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for sure. Larry Walters?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we talked about him in maybe the Ig

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<v Speaker 2>Nobel Awards. We may have, but we've got to mention

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<v Speaker 2>him again here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he was a truck driver who, in 1982,

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<v Speaker 1>decided that he wanted to float from Los Angeles over

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<v Speaker 1>to the Rocky Mountains. He said, well, weather balloons work

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well. I'm going to attach 42 of them to

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<v Speaker 1>my lawn chair. And see what happens. And he, he

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<v Speaker 1>did this. He actually did. He lifted off and things

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<v Speaker 1>were going well for the first like minute or two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, he, you know, I guess he didn't do the

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<v Speaker 2>math or maybe that just wasn't a strong point, but

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<v Speaker 2>he did Josh, man, he ended up at 16,000 feet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know they made a movie about this, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure was portrayed as a, a lot of laughs, but, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe not, but I can't imagine anything more terrifying

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<v Speaker 2>than being 16,000 feet above the air. No. And, And

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<v Speaker 2>realizing like, wow, I've really gotten in over my head here.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was July of 1982. So he wasn't dressed

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<v Speaker 1>for 16,000 feet either, which is very chilly. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So this was not a great experience for him. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he hadn't done the math correctly or at all,

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<v Speaker 1>he did have the foresight to bring an air gun

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<v Speaker 1>with him so that he could shoot out some of

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<v Speaker 1>the balloons or all of them and land safely. So

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<v Speaker 1>he just shot out some of the weather balloons, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>a little earlier than he expected to. And he landed

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<v Speaker 1>gently back in somebody's backyard in Long Beach, probably Snoop Dogg's.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you have you seen pictures of this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Flying over Los Angeles?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send you a picture. It's incredible looking.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks exactly like you think it would. Yet it's

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<v Speaker 2>still mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he have like a seatbelt on the lawn chair

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<v Speaker 1>or is it just? Him sitting in a lawn chair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to tell, but it looks... I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you zoom in... Unless this is a fake picture. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if this is fake.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a guy sitting there watching the game

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<v Speaker 2>with a beer in his hand. But that might have

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<v Speaker 2>been the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send it to you either way. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>send it to you and Jerry right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had done this and I reached 16,000 feet,

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<v Speaker 1>you would... You would know that I was coming because

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<v Speaker 1>you would just hear my scream getting louder and louder.

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<v Speaker 1>And it would just be incessant and nonstop. And you

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<v Speaker 1>would never be able to get me to let go

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<v Speaker 1>of the lawn chair because I'd be out of my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>dissociated somewhere else. And it would just be a bad scene,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the movie scene, it would show someone

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<v Speaker 2>in an outdoor cafe. And they put their fork down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what am I hearing in the distance? And

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<v Speaker 2>then it just gets louder. And then everyone's looking up.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not Superman.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, speaking of dissociation, I actually dissociated earlier in this

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<v Speaker 1>episode when you were making your joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one?

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<v Speaker 1>The one about the most important component.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why you didn't get a very good laugh

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<v Speaker 1>out of me because I was out of my body

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<v Speaker 1>for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, man, you don't have to explain anything to me

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<v Speaker 2>after 18 years. All is forgiven on both of our accounts, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yes. Okay, good. I just made the symbol

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<v Speaker 1>of the cross with my two fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. I'm sure that means something.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, that's it for short stuff. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean, Chuck?

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