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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number seventy

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Speaker 1: seven to in the show, we're joined by Jeff Sturgis,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about cold fronts, properly timing hunts, and

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Speaker 1: killing pre rut and running bucks. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear. Now today we've got a great episode and

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Speaker 1: the goal today is to prime and prepare you for

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Speaker 1: the upcoming pre rut and rutting action that's just days away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, folks, things are about to get crazy. And

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped and dance pumped. And if you've got any

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Speaker 1: blood running through your through your I can't talk how anywait,

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Speaker 1: how crazy is it gonna get? First of all, that's

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Speaker 1: what I want to know. I mean, it's gonna get crazy.

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Speaker 1: I can't even talk, man, I can't even talk. But

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Speaker 1: what I was trying to say, Dan, is that if

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Speaker 1: anyone out there listening, if they've got blood in their veins,

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Speaker 1: they've got some oxygen in their lungs. I'm thinking they're

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Speaker 1: pretty pumped up right now too. So if that is

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Speaker 1: the case, and I think it's the case for you

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Speaker 1: and me, that's for sure. Our guest is going to

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Speaker 1: be someone that we want to listen to because we've

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Speaker 1: got Jeff Sturgis on the show and he's going to

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Speaker 1: fill us in on some great ideas for taking advantage

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Speaker 1: of the weather at this time of the year. And

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Speaker 1: he's going to talk to us about how he approaches

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Speaker 1: the pre rut and running time frames, which is a

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Speaker 1: topic that he actually wrote about in the upcoming November

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Speaker 1: issue of Outdoor Life, and he's really an expert on this.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not familiar with the Jeff, he is

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Speaker 1: an outdoor writer, author, and white Tail habitat consultant, and

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Speaker 1: you know, over the past five years or so, he's

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Speaker 1: been one of the greatest influences on me as a

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Speaker 1: deer hunter. So all that being said, if you haven't

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Speaker 1: heard from Jeff before, you should go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to episode number eleven at some point, because we did

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Speaker 1: have him on already. But in that conversation we talked

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Speaker 1: about habitat and food plots, but today we're talking hunting.

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Speaker 1: But of course before we get Jeff on the line, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you and me do have some catching up to do, right,

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Speaker 1: And UM, I don't know. I know this is off

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Speaker 1: topic what I'm going to tell you right now, and

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Speaker 1: I probably should have told you this before we got

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Speaker 1: on the air, But can I can I tell you something?

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Speaker 1: I just got an email from someone last week who

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Speaker 1: said that, who said that our pre guest BS sessions

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Speaker 1: are lame and unrelated to the topics that we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be talking about. So you made that guy's address

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Speaker 1: and I'll go have a personal conversation with him. A

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Speaker 1: proceed with what you're about to say, because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be redd up that guy's alley. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: you know when you make a peanut butter and jelly

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Speaker 1: sandwich and you know you dropped, just like you're taking

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Speaker 1: a bite out of it, and you know, you drop

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Speaker 1: a little piece of jelly somewhere and you can't find it.

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Speaker 1: Is this related to another dream? No, this just happened

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Speaker 1: because I just finished that. The reason why I was

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Speaker 1: late to log in was because I I made a

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Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwich, so I dropped this little

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Speaker 1: it's probably in the carpet somewhere, which will just be

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Speaker 1: another reason for my wife to get mad at me.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's deer hunting season. Tell me more about

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Speaker 1: this sandwich? Is a crunchy or creamy peanut butter? It was?

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Speaker 1: It was creamy, um, and it was towards the end

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Speaker 1: of the loaf, so I had to use one regular

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Speaker 1: piece and one heel, which, to be honestly, it's like

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Speaker 1: my favorite. I love using the heels on a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on the creamy peanut butter thing. I

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Speaker 1: have a hard time dealing with creamy peanut butter people, really,

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Speaker 1: So you're I see, I'm I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm far enough into my relationship where I just let

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Speaker 1: my wife make all the difficult decisions. So she likes creamy.

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Speaker 1: That means I like creamy. This is this is you

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Speaker 1: not having any spine anymore and dealing with crappy peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: You're damn right because it avoids conflict, and the more

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Speaker 1: more conflict I can avoid means the more pulling power

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Speaker 1: I have towards hunting season. It all comes back to that,

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Speaker 1: going off right, flat build hats. You know me so

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Speaker 1: and unrelatable to the topic exactly. But but really, we

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Speaker 1: are related to deer running, because at least I know

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Speaker 1: you were busy doing your wedding crap that you always

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Speaker 1: like to do. But I was hunting in Iowa this

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Speaker 1: past weekend. Let me just get mine out of the

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Speaker 1: all day at work, super pumped to get out, left

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Speaker 1: two hours early, drove down to my main hunting spot right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I haven't hunted this this piece all

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Speaker 1: my truck, I start getting ready, and what do I hear? Chainsaws?

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Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking and I was going to

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Speaker 1: and that is where they were chainsawing. So the farmer

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Speaker 1: has let I think three or four different guys come

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Speaker 1: not ideal for me. So I go to my backup

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Speaker 1: plan right Friday night, backup plan. You know, the corn

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Speaker 1: in early fall, in early October is a great betting

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Speaker 1: area for these deer. Sure enough, there were no deer there.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't see one deer from the week the

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Speaker 1: back in time to have the kids trick or treat

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Speaker 1: my brother's wedding. So I am going to hunt the

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Speaker 1: entire second week of November. That's good in two days

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Speaker 1: the first week. So it's not ideal, but it's more

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Speaker 1: than I believe other women would give their husbands. Fair enough, yep.

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Speaker 1: I was pumped up because that cold front hit in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: So I was heading to Iowa and I'll try to

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Speaker 1: trying to decide, Okay, where am I going to hunt

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Speaker 1: checking out more. Well, first the camera had out there malfunctions,

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Speaker 1: Rut trips. So I wanted to be observe areas, hopefully

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Speaker 1: be a lot of dear movement. So I found what

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Speaker 1: what I thought was probably one of the best betting

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Speaker 1: a prime food source. And in between was this transitionary

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Speaker 1: that I could get too easily and safely with that

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Speaker 1: I thought, hey, I got in between food and bedding,

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Speaker 1: I got a pond, I got a great wind, I

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Speaker 1: got great view. This could be pretty good. And it

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Speaker 1: was that first night I saw tons of deer, and

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Speaker 1: it ended up being a lot better than I even thought.

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Speaker 1: Like the tree I picked ended up being like I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't having known what I know now, I would not

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Speaker 1: move the tree I picked initially. It is exactly where

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Speaker 1: every deer coming out of these betting ears all funnel past.

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Speaker 1: It's way better of a job picking a tree than

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Speaker 1: I usually do, so tons of dos piling out, They

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Speaker 1: all funnel past this tree. Check out this pond, some

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Speaker 1: little bucks, more doughs, little bucks. And then right a

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Speaker 1: like just before last night, I looked to my left

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Speaker 1: and there's just this man, massive white frame and it

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Speaker 1: was one of those just instant shooter, like instant, holy

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Speaker 1: crap type of buck. And the issue though was that

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Speaker 1: it was getting really close to dark and I looked

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Speaker 1: so I'm just sitting there like praying, please hurry up

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Speaker 1: But I used to make the annual track, uh sometimes

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Speaker 1: even every two weeks, I would drive seven hours down

429
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Speaker 1: here to southwest Wisconsin and and hunt, sometimes just for

430
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: a two or three day hunt. And what I found

431
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: was that, you know, we'd be gone for two weeks,

432
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: we'd come back and the woods were just full of

433
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: scrapes and rubs and they weren't there before. And here

434
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: we're coming down on the eighty degree weekend and the

435
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: hunting was really poor, and we could tell we are

436
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: missing things and so over the years it became apparent

437
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: to me that, um, you know, I had a I

438
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: had a business at the time, I was a real

439
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: estate appraiser and a young family, and so it was

440
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Speaker 1: really important for me to prioritize my time. And I

441
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: found that I was better off looking towards certain days

442
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: that returned to high value for the city, even if

443
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: that meant only hunting one or two days instead of

444
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: three or four days. So it was really more about

445
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: not only uh, prior prioritizing my time, but also maximizing

446
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity so that when I did go into the woods,

447
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: I had a much higher likelihood of actually running into

448
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: a mature Now I am not a poker player or

449
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: card player, but it's no different. Um, I've watched it

450
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: on TV. That's about it. But I, uh, yeah, a

451
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: little bit here and there deer camp. But for the

452
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: most part, when you're playing poker, you're playing the odds.

453
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: And still the guys that know the odds inside and

454
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: out can calculate that when they play their next move

455
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: or when they when they need a card, they know

456
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: exactly what they're looking for. They know what all the

457
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: cards that they're on the table. They might even be

458
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: able to read the other people playing so that when

459
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: they make a decision, it's based on odds. And that's

460
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Speaker 1: the same that I want to do when I enter

461
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: the woods. It's not that you know that any time

462
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: isn't a good time to be in the woods. Um,

463
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: it's just that when I go out to actually hunt

464
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: and go after mature buck, I really want to tell

465
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Speaker 1: those odds in my favor. So, you know, maximizing time

466
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Speaker 1: prioritizing At the same time, there's a lot of times

467
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: or even my friends around here, they'll look at a

468
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: long weekend they have and they'll say, you know, it's

469
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Speaker 1: it better if I hunt on Saturday, Sunday and mon day.

470
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Shud take a Friday off for Monday. And really what

471
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: they're trying to balance is not only work, but family too.

472
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: And so it might be that whether better off spending

473
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Speaker 1: a Saturday morning with their family and maybe hunting Saturday night,

474
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Speaker 1: Sunday and the Monday, instead of taking Friday on a

475
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Speaker 1: poor day, forcing on Saturday and Sunday. And uh, you know,

476
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: so it's really gives you that opportunity to balance your

477
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: time a little bit better too. Yeah, this this this

478
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: concept here that you're talking about and me and Dave

479
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: I've talked about a lot, and we've talked about it

480
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Speaker 1: on other podcasts too, But I want to keep on

481
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: I keep on bringing this up because I think, at

482
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: least for me personally, and I think for a lot

483
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: of guys, it's probably one of the if not the

484
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: most important kind of revelation that's come to me as

485
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: a deer hunter that has changed how my success has looked.

486
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: Is is focusing on identifying the high quality sits and

487
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: having fewer of those be being more high quality and

488
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: reducing the number of low quality sits, like just like

489
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Speaker 1: you said, playing the odds. Hunt when odds are highest,

490
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: stay out and keep the pressure off from the odds

491
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: are low. And I think that has changed everything for me.

492
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that's that's true, so true. So would

493
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Speaker 1: that being the case, And you're talking about, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: timing these hunts, and I know that you spend a

495
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: lot of time, maybe more than anyone. I've listened to

496
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: UM kind of micro analyzing some of these things. UM,

497
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed that and I found it really fascinating.

498
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Speaker 1: We've talked to a couple of guys like Mark Dreury.

499
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Speaker 1: We talked to us about a lot. He seemed to

500
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Speaker 1: do a lot of this type of analysis, which we've

501
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: all really enjoyed hearing from him. Um, But for you,

502
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: when you're looking at timing these hunts, can you share

503
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: this the criteria that you're looking for and then from

504
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: there I want to dive into some of those criteria

505
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: the specifics of each. But at the high level, what

506
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: criteria do you pay attention to when trying to determine

507
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: what are my high quality sets? And I'll jump into

508
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Speaker 1: that just second. I just want to back up for

509
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Speaker 1: just a real brief, brief second here. One of the

510
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: reasons or determining that high value sit is what I

511
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: found the less. Uh, you know, it's less and more

512
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: and all that. But one of the reasons is because

513
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: you're placing a lot less pressure on your property. And

514
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: so if you're only hunting the high value sits, you're

515
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: not going out in and spending sits on high quality

516
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: stands or high quality potential sits um that just aren't

517
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: there yet, and so you're not educating the dose that

518
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: might be in the area, even a mature buck or two. Uh,

519
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: they're just not used to you sitting in those stands,

520
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: leaving your scent coming and by your scent by your

521
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: tree three hours after dark. And so in that way

522
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: you're keeping your stands fresh, and a fresh stand is

523
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: the best stand. And so I found the stands at

524
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Speaker 1: our average can turning your best down of the property

525
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: pretty just simply because you haven't been over to that

526
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: little corner yet. And so going forward, when I see

527
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Speaker 1: these opportunities, uh, you know, coming up for those high

528
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: value sits, and I'm looking for number one and major

529
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Speaker 1: temperature drop um number two, I'm looking for a difference

530
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Speaker 1: in and wind speeds. And so it's not that you

531
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: can't have a moderate wind and go out and shoot

532
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: shoot a box the teenager. It's all about the difference

533
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: in wind. Say, for example, dropped from fifty it's just

534
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: as about as important as a drop from thirty miles tour.

535
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: So it's really about that change in same with the temperature.

536
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Looking for extreme weather conditions to help set up that

537
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: that potential great high quality day, and you're looking for

538
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: a string of really boring or poor days ahead of

539
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: time to also set up that high quality day. So

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00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: it's almost like up to about four or five days

541
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: as long as you have some poor days um in

542
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: a row, then when a when a good day presents itself,

543
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: then it's time to hit the woods and those day

544
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: will be ready to experience that good day too. So

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Speaker 1: are you saying then, like, for example, the this past weekend,

546
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: a huge cold front came through, and the four previous

547
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: days had an average temperature that was maybe fifteen degrees

548
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: warmer than that high on the day that the cold

549
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: front came through. So you're looking at a large period

550
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: of time before the actual cold front. Yes, yeah, and

551
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: it could be even just a day or two. That

552
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: helps us serve to set up that. Especially, I think

553
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: the deer in the mature box are a lot You know,

554
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: that roller coaster is going up and down a lot

555
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: more here in the run. But especially when you're looking

556
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: at October eleven and you have those poor days in

557
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: a row, hand in the fifteen drops and there's some

558
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: heavy winds on the front side of it, and maybe

559
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: even some pounding rain and thunderstorms when it calms. When

560
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: it calms, the high pressure is rising, and uh, it's

561
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: those blue skies and cool temperatures than man that those

562
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: four or five days of poor weather really served to

563
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: set up that day. So, Jeff, you mentioned temperature drops

564
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: and a change in wind. But a couple other criteria

565
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: we hear when it comes to looking at you know,

566
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: what are I value sits. A couple of criteria we

567
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: hear about a lot are the moon and barometric pressure.

568
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: Do you pay attention to either of those at all? Yeah?

569
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I do, um, I do the moon. And there's there's

570
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: a lot of scientific evidence out there as far as

571
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: the timing of the rod and when does that are

572
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: enterestrus and a lot of it goes against the moon

573
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: face theories as far as you know, the moon inducing

574
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: some timing of the rod or the start of the

575
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: PREI rod. But I do firmly whether you believe in

576
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: that or not, I do firmly believe that the moon

577
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with feeding timings. And so

578
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: for example, deer feed five times in the twenty four

579
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: hour period, and if there's a full, bright rising moon,

580
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: it sure seems like they feed a lot later in

581
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: the evening, and so on a full moon evening uncommon

582
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: those deer to be you know, a little bit lower

583
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: value set, for example, because the deer just are going

584
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: to come out um as early as the one on

585
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: a dark moon night or a moon at night where

586
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: that moon doesn't rise, and at least that's what I've

587
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: experienced now, the only morning and all. That's when it

588
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: really gets interesting for me, because it seems like, you know,

589
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: can imagine those deer feeding five times in the twenty

590
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: flour period. They're big feeding is in the dinner time,

591
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: in the evening, in the afternoon, and so when those

592
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: deer are feeding heavy at that time, the next time

593
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: is a light time. The next time is a little

594
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: bit heavier, and so there's a little bit of a

595
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: roller coaster cycle that I think that moon induces. And

596
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: so what that sets out to me is a late

597
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: morning time, sometimes noontime feeding and so I believe that

598
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I've I've experienced some really high quality mature buck movement

599
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: during that late morning time when there's a full moon rising.

600
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: And so I pay attention to the moon for those factors.

601
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: And then when you get into the barometric pressure, um,

602
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, really I don't pay attention to it as much, UM,

603
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: but I do. And the reason for that is I'm

604
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: looking for that big cold front to come through, clearing skies,

605
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: cool conditions, and when you have those conditions, you have

606
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: a high barometric pressure. So it's not they're looking at,

607
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, looking for that barometric pressure as much as

608
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the conditions and if those conditions are there,

609
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: than high barometric pressures there, if that, If that makes sense, Yeah,

610
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: So so the things you're looking for those days after

611
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: the cold front, naturally those tend to be those high

612
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: pressure days, so definitely. So So then here's the next

613
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: thing I'm curious about, because right I think we hear

614
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: about this type of thing, pay attention to cold fronts,

615
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: looking for those changes in wind speed, like something seems

616
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: like you like when it calms down a little bit,

617
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: and the high pressure days. We hear about a lot

618
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: of these things, but sometimes it's hard to understand how

619
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: to actually take that and put it into play. So

620
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: something I've seen you do the last couple of weeks

621
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: is you're putting out this weekly forecast where you talk

622
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: about what the weather is going to look like in

623
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: the coming week or two weeks, and then which of

624
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: those days coming up are high value sits and what

625
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: that means for you as a hunter. Could you possibly

626
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: walk us through as best as you can remember right now,

627
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: what that looks like for the coming days here UM

628
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: is kind of an example UM in this and for

629
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: for context. This podcast will be going live on this Thursday.

630
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: So maybe if you, if you remember what the forecast looks,

631
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: can you talk to us about what you're looking at

632
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: this upcoming weather and how you implement some of the

633
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: things that we've just talked about. Yes, yeah, and I

634
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: have that that weather forecast burned in my head pretty well.

635
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: But and I this time when I pulled up for Lacrosse, Wisconsin.

636
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Last time I pulled up Chicago, I was actually thinking

637
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: about flipping over to the Detroit area Lands and Ranna

638
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Arbor next week regardless. So it'll be coming your way anyway.

639
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: But the big thing with UM this week is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

640
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: We had three days in the low seventies to mid

641
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: seventies at least around here in this area. It really

642
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: across the same general line moving east and west. There's

643
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: not that much difference. It's gonna be a lag time

644
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: a lot of day, I would say, from here in

645
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: lower Michigan and then another day over to northern Pennsylvania,

646
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: neal or. But really, you know, things happening for the

647
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: most part the weathers moving west east or west northeast.

648
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: So that being said, this week we had those three

649
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: warmer days and then here we have about a ten

650
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: degree drop on Thursday. And so those three warm days

651
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: to me, really helped set up on that Thursday drop.

652
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: And you could say, now if it was four or

653
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: five days of poor weather or warm weather, UM, if

654
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: it was a you know, if you had a monster

655
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: storm moving through on Wednesday, that might make a really

656
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: big difference. But it's still a pretty quality, high quality day.

657
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: And especially that's gonna be uh the of October, and

658
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: that happens to be the days have shot a couple

659
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: of really nice box five and sec year old. Box

660
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: had a really nice opportunity on another, a nice book,

661
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: another five six year old. So we're starting to get

662
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: into that time where I'm really getting pumped. I talked

663
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: to you about that this week. To market you have

664
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: to get bucks on cam and uh on the cameras

665
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's getting exciting. Um. Then on Friday it's

666
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: really cool, is um. So Thursday showing a let's say

667
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: a low of thirty nine and a high of sixty.

668
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Let's say on Wednesday it was the highest seventy one,

669
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: So there's a leven degree temperature drop. Um, I believe

670
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: the morning temperature. Now when you look at the weather forecast,

671
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe sort of listeners don't realize this,

672
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: but when you see the low for Thursday, that's actually

673
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Friday mornings a temperature, and so it's a little deceiving

674
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: because if you look at Wednesday the low is forty nine,

675
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: that's actually Thursday morning. So Friday morning has a forecasted

676
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: low of actually thirty nine, and so tend to gree

677
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: temperature drop from morning to morning. I'm looking for that

678
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: from the daytime high todaytime high and in some areas

679
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: they're actually calling for a little bit of rain or precipitation,

680
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: maybe some higher winds on Wednesdy day to Thursday. Um.

681
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Even looking at the Chicago I think the high quality

682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: days of Friday there whether that will help to actually

683
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: enhance the value that day and going f forward, I

684
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: think the there's a little bit of moisture on that

685
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday time, and another little bit of drop on

686
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: on Sunday. And so I'm looking at like if I

687
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: was planning out this week, you know, I really want

688
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: to make a priority of hunting this Thursday Friday. Because

689
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: of the first couple of days after the front, there's

690
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: good quality temperature drop, a little bit of weather to

691
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: serve to set that up, and then there's a little

692
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: bit of a bump where you have some a little

693
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: bit of warmer day, um, some inclement weather, rain, and

694
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: then clearing and high pressure on Sunday. So if I'm

695
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: planning my sets, I might spend Saturday with family. Um,

696
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: it looks like Friday night is going to be pretty wet.

697
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: Not to say that you couldn't shoot a mature buck

698
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: in the rain, certainly, but if I'm planning my sets

699
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: and I have four or five, then I really want

700
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: to get out. I'm gonna I'm actually planning Friday or

701
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, Thursday night, Friday morning, and then I'll sit

702
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday as well. So and then looking ahead and

703
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: this is you you know, looking at how the week

704
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: and a half. Um, there's a really nice drop and

705
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: I think it's next Saturday or Sunday. We have pretty

706
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: steady weather. It looks like next week, and then a

707
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: major dropp around Halloween. So it's still a little ways

708
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: out the window of very probably you know, really high

709
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: probably uh, you know, accuracy rating. But at the same time,

710
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that next drop right around Halloween,

711
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: which is prime time in the northern part of the Midwest. Absolutely,

712
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: that's going to be a great time to be in

713
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: the tree now looking though at this most for this

714
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: most kind of upcoming weekend. So you talked about that

715
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: cold front hitting today that the air the day that

716
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: this podcast is going live is Thursday, so that cold

717
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: fronts hitting Thursday said, Thursday Friday could be good sits

718
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and then maybe against Sunday. Um, this time of year,

719
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: the twenty six give or take, around this part of

720
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: the year in October, how are you approaching those hunts

721
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: at this time to take advantage of this good condition?

722
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: That's good conditions. Where are you hunting? What are you

723
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: thinking about when choosing those stand sites? Yeah, that's a

724
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: great question. Um, I'm looking at total pre rot hunting.

725
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean by that is really the

726
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: box to me, are not moving in that far. And

727
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: I have to excuse me if this is a poor

728
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: example or a crash example. But um, you know, a

729
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: big guy, there's thirty girls in a nightclub, borrow whatever,

730
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and there's ten guys going in and and that's the

731
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: time where it's uh, you know, pretty easy to meet

732
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: a girl. Um. And that's to me, unless unless you're

733
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Danause I use the same analogy a while ago. That's funny. Yeah,

734
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: I use that with a client. He said, I don't

735
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: see anything wrong with that example. But any anyway, um

736
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: that it's it's kind of like that for the pre rot.

737
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, these big boys already have their fall ring

738
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: range established. They have where they want to eat, where

739
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: they want to stay during the day, their betting areas,

740
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: and they have some doose nearby. And it's not that

741
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: they have to have those doughs. Just the way it works,

742
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: they the doughs are right next to the high quality food,

743
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: good covering. Then those bucks are aren't far behind them,

744
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: and so they're already established. And when one of those

745
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: dose starts to get a little a little ruddy, then uh,

746
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: it's those bucks they you know, you can pick up

747
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: on that. There's a lot of dolls will start coming

748
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: into heat, and those first few doughs are pretty easy

749
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: for them to find and they don't really need to

750
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: move around too much. And so um. At the same time,

751
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: right before that happens, they're going to become more active.

752
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: And I know just in the last three days, I've

753
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of scrapes pop up and then around

754
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: the properties right hunt. And that's not even going in

755
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: the woods much. That's just just on the exterior edges.

756
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: So what I'm looking at is for one of those

757
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: bucks are going to move along ways. So I'm not

758
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: really I'm not gonna sit all day, Um, I just

759
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of value and sitting here

760
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day unless you have to

761
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: get into an area that you can't get out until

762
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: after dark. Um, So I'm placing a high priority in

763
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: the morning near bedding areas, so I'm trying to get

764
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: within fifty yards of them. Sure box betting area, knowing

765
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: that his range might expand from an acre to ten

766
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: to fifteen acres during the morning, especially when there's cooler

767
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: temperatures at the same time in the evening, if I

768
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: sit in that betting area, then it's going to be

769
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: a pretty poor hunt the closer it gets too dark,

770
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: because that box is then turning his attention towards the

771
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: evening food sources of social areas where all the dos

772
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: and the dope Fani. The groups are moving in the

773
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: other box, and he wants to leave that bedding area

774
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: and go to that food source. So if I'm still

775
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: in that betting area, then the closer it gets start

776
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: the last chance I haven't seen a box. So I

777
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: find the best to prioritize my sits and increase that

778
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: value by sitting in a morning area that relates to

779
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: a betting area, and then the evening area that relates

780
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to a food source. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm sitting in

781
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: the bedding area or in the food source, but I'm

782
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: pretty close. So that's that's more of the pre rod.

783
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: So how are you choosing? You know? Okay, again we're

784
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: talking about how we're prioritizing, you know, different days. We've

785
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: prioritized days, But then how do you prioritize a certain

786
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: betting area or a certain food source, because I'm sure

787
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at your farm and you have

788
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: done something to know. Okay, I think there's betting here,

789
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I think there's food here. But then the next question

790
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: that naturally people are thinking through is Okay, I know

791
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: I want to be by betting area in the morning,

792
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: or I know I want to be by good food source.

793
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Then they start saying, okay, which one? And so I

794
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: think we've talked about trail cameras, we talked about scouting,

795
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: we talked about sightings. What of all those, if any

796
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: or anything else, are you using to then choose the

797
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: specific food source you're hunting in the evening? Well, I

798
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I do love my trail cameras. And for one that

799
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: shows me if there's mature box in the property or not.

800
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: It shows me when they come on the property when

801
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: they don't, shows me if they're coming to do in

802
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the day or at night. Um. But at the same time,

803
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: the direction they're coming from should give me some clue

804
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: as to what betting area they're choosing to stay at

805
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: during the day. And so if I knew that a

806
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: monster back was hanging back out in this corner in

807
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: a betting area, then that would be my priority stand

808
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: location and where I want to go back into the

809
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: edge of that betting area, walk in the opposite direction

810
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: from the food So in the morning, when I'm walking

811
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: in the dark, I'm not going through the food starts.

812
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm coming in from the exact opposite way, thinking that

813
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: that box is somewhere between that food and his betting.

814
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: He might already be in his betting, but this time

815
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: of years, there's a lot of social activity taking place

816
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: in the morning. They're making rob scrapes from chasing does,

817
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: and so I have a lot more of a likelihood

818
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: of sneaking into the backside of a betting area waiting

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: for a buck to come back to me at this

820
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: time of the year than I do October tenth, for example,

821
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: or maybe even October. And so what I'm also doing

822
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: is there's some pretty good value sit in the evening too,

823
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at if I'm gonna if I'm

824
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna set three times, and I'm gonna say, hunt two

825
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: mornings and one evening, where can I sit in the

826
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: morning that I'm not potentially ruining that evening set if

827
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: I happen to bump a deer and vice versa. So

828
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm really thinking about my next two to three sets

829
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: out and making sure that you're moving from point A

830
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: to point B, and then they're also moving from point

831
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: seed and point B and I'm not getting into both

832
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: those lines. Are one of those lines and destroying for

833
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: that evening hunt. I'm saving another line and movement for

834
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, the next morning in the next evening, and

835
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying to prior to prioritize my sets that way

836
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: so that I can maintain a high value and a

837
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: fresh stand with each set. I also in each area

838
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: most of my really high quality areas that I love

839
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: to really focus on, I'll usually have two to three

840
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: complementary stands, and so one area can think of particularized

841
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hunt this weekend. It will be

842
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: the first set. It's a triangle of stands um. The

843
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: one I can hunt with sutherly winds in the evening,

844
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: the other one I can hit with hunt with northerly

845
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: winds all day even morning or evening, and the other

846
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: one has to be southwesterly winds to westerly winds in

847
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the morning. And so it gives me a great compliment

848
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: of stands. I can hunt just about any wind condition morning, evening, midday,

849
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. If I know there's a big buck

850
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: up there, which there always is, that I can go

851
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: into one of those stands and and get a high

852
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: quality set. But after I sit in there that one time,

853
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: I'll probably skip over and hunt another set um, you know,

854
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: for for the next set or you know, the following morning.

855
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: So are you ever looking at an area in particular

856
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: stand and in setting a morning, in an evening or

857
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: an evening in a morning to try to catch movement

858
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: coming back and forth if in fact the wind is

859
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, And there's a lot of times where,

860
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, when when we're out in the hill country,

861
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: you can cheat the wind a lot, which is different

862
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: than the flat land. I mean, I live in Michigan

863
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: forty two years, so it's pretty flat they're compared to

864
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, out here. But that being said, if you

865
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: can get away with hunting both those mornings, there's times where, um,

866
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: let's say the total movement from where I think a

867
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: buck betting is to where I think he's really generally

868
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: spending his evening and nighttime hours. Um, let's say it's

869
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: four hundred yards along that movement or three hundred yards.

870
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Why might come in the opposite direction, get a good

871
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: morning hunt, and then leave that same way, and then

872
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: I'll flip around in the afternoon for a nice three

873
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: or four hour sit actually walk intough the food source

874
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: and get into my stand location and let my wind

875
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: blow into a safe way. And so in that way

876
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm hunting both ends of the movement. And if I

877
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: feel that I got in non invasively in the morning,

878
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hear any spooks, I didn't hear

879
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: anything blown at me while I was on the stand,

880
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: and I thought I got away with a good clean sit. Um.

881
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: I will certainly try that at times too. Are all

882
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: your stands pre hung then, or do you do? Do

883
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: you set up a lot of stands throughout the year. Yeah,

884
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: most of my stands are pre hung. Um. Now when

885
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: we go down to Ohio and hunt on public land,

886
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: we have a few that we set a couple of

887
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: weeks ago. But at the same time we have a

888
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: lot of trees that we've marked for climbers and so,

889
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: and I do use climbers occasionally around here. Um. I

890
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: like actually the comfort of a climber. I like the portability.

891
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I do not like the noise walking in with it. Um.

892
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, I period already takes me fifty minutes to

893
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: get to some of my stands walking up four hundred

894
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: feet in elevation, So to put a climber on my back,

895
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: along with the extra way to have on my front

896
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: and then not it gets you pretty tired out. By

897
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the time I'm up there, So, um, I try to

898
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: have those pre hung stands um cleaned out and ready

899
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: to go, and then I'll use a climber when I

900
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: need that flexibility. You mentioned that when you're setting up

901
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: for those mornings, since at this time of year you

902
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: like to be I think you'd said like a hundred

903
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards from where you think that betting

904
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: area is trying to be kind of close into there.

905
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: On the flip side, in the evening, are you relating

906
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: more to I know you mentioned that you're relating more

907
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: to the food source, but I'm just curious about the

908
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: relativity of being near that food. So are you hunting

909
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: right on the food or do you like to still

910
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: usually try to stay pretty far off. I know from

911
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: some of the stuff I've read it from you, you've

912
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the lines of movement and placing

913
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: yourself on that. But I'd love to hear a little

914
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: more about that, and um, you know, and if that

915
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: factors into your distance from food or distance from the

916
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: prime food things like that. Well, one of the things

917
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking at absolutes two, and one of

918
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: those things is that absolute is where's the staging area.

919
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: So staging area to me is a is a really

920
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: thick area, brushy area, high stem count, density of regeneration, connifers, grasses, briers,

921
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of that mix where that last step of safety

922
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: that a deer we'll go through from a secure betting,

923
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: secure travel corridor gets to that edge in that staging

924
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: area and when it pops out of there, it's really

925
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: heading towards food. And so a lot of times because

926
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: of the stem density and the proximity of food, those

927
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: areas also become dull family group betting areas. And so

928
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do is um really protect that.

929
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of a spot that I hunted in

930
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: the evening. It was in two thousand and eleven, shot

931
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: a real nice five six year old buck um beautiful

932
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: black on October two, and I was able to position myself.

933
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: There was betting areas on benches down below the flat

934
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: that I was on, and then there was a staging

935
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: area that was probably about seventy to eight yards from

936
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: where my stand location was. And so if you can

937
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: kind of imagine, I'm coming into this stand location to

938
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: my left and approximately within fifty yards there's high quality betting.

939
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: To my right, about seventy eight yards there's a staging

940
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: area with highly high likelihood that there was some doll

941
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: family group's betting, and then about thirty yards out in

942
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: the grass from there was a start of one hour

943
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: of food plots. That was that food plight. The deer

944
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: could go in either direction for five and fifty yards

945
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: one way or four hundred yards in the other. And

946
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: what I like about not having a big circular food

947
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: plot at that point is once a deer entered that

948
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: food source in the evening, it really stretched him out,

949
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: so more deer would move. More deer those deer pulled

950
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the fields away from the

951
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: field edge. And uh in that to me helps more

952
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: to your cycle through too. So in that case, UM,

953
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: I actually shot that box with maybe forty five minutes

954
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: to go before dark as he was cruising between that

955
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: staging area and the bedding area. And uh it was

956
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of a dead area, almost secure travel but more

957
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: of a travel corridor on benches and funnels than than

958
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: actually coming into its basically coming in between doll bedding

959
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: and luck betting on more of an open flat. UM

960
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: and the doll betting be in the staging area. Now,

961
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: I know you're enjoying this conversation with Jeff, but before

962
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: we get to my next question, and we need to

963
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,400
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966
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967
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: white tail hunters should be thinking about when choosing a

968
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: new pair of boots. Yeah, so you know, the first

969
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: thing you want to want to think about obviously this

970
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: season if you're you're having the early season or you're

971
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: hating in in the November or peason time frame. You know,

972
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: insulation is a huge factor the type of boot you're

973
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: looking for as far as a warmth warm factor, So

974
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, early season, Um, it's it's great to to

975
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: look at to look at boots that don't have a

976
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: lot going on from an insulation perspective, just so you

977
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: don't get too sweaty um, you know, and and and

978
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: keep yourself as comfortable as you can. So installations is

979
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: a is a big deal as you look to to

980
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: try to gear up on the footwear end of things. Um.

981
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: The other thing you know that I like to really

982
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: point people in the direction with this is how much

983
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: sense control is important to you as a hunter. Obviously

984
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: all of us really want to hunt the wind to

985
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: start first and foremost. But outside of that, if you're

986
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: really looking for something that has kind of maximum sent control,

987
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: you want to look for a boot that has a

988
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of rubber all the way from you know, from

989
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: the bottom of the outsole all the way up to

990
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: through the upper because rubber in itself is just actually

991
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: sent the pressing, so it doesn't picks up sent and

992
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: carry it with you as you move from your vehicle

993
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: to the to the standard or to the blind or whatever.

994
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: So um, you know, as you're thinking about boots, it's

995
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: it's set control is important. You know, more rubber is

996
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: better than that aspect of it. If it's not. If

997
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: you want something that's a little little more breathable or

998
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: a little lighter, easier to roll down, there's there are

999
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: options out there for many different brands that that you

1000
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: can just get some some neoprene in the upper or

1001
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: from that aspect of things. So UM, send control obviously

1002
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: is important, So there you go. Proper installation and scent

1003
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: control are definitely two things to keep in mind when

1004
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: choosing the right boot for you. And if you are

1005
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: looking for new boots, you might want to consider a

1006
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: couple of options from Lacrosse, such as the Alpha Burly

1007
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: Pro or the four by Alpha, which have that full rubber,

1008
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: very scent free construction, or the Arrowheads which are part

1009
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: rubber and part nea praint, which I'm a big fan

1010
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: of because of the ridiculous level of comfort. So if

1011
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,200
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1012
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: these boots, visit Lacrosse Footwear dot com. And now let's

1013
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: get back to the show. So something you said there

1014
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: when you're talking about, you know, the the benches, I

1015
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: think beneath you where that betting was, and you were

1016
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: up a little bit higher on a flat. It just

1017
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: made me think of something that I'm personally, you know,

1018
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: trying to get better at, especially I'm hunting this year

1019
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: in northeastern Iowa, where it's it's much more hilly, a

1020
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: lot more topography than I've ever hunted him before. Um

1021
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: And something I'm still trying to get better at is

1022
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: understanding how to handle the wind in those situations because

1023
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm sure you both you and Dan

1024
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: have experienced in Iowa and other places in Wisconsin. Um.

1025
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, things like the thermals and the way that

1026
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: topography adjusts or manipulates wind can make it really tricky

1027
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: to know exactly how to play the wind given those conditions.

1028
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about how you factor

1029
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: those types of things into making a decision about how

1030
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: to handle the wind. How do you see the wind

1031
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: and that topography kind of influencing each other. Well, the

1032
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the great thing about the wind in the hill country

1033
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: in the morning is that as the temperatures are increasing,

1034
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: the thermals are rising, and so typically if you're above

1035
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: the deer, you're fine. Um. So that's kind of a

1036
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: general rule. I've been able to sit into some pretty

1037
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: good betting areas to where there's no way I could

1038
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: go in there in the afternoon because the deer would

1039
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: see me, Um, but the deer below me, and then

1040
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: I can get in above them, and with those thermal

1041
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: thermals rising, even if that wind. We We've had some

1042
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: great stands where, um, literally the wind you're you're staring

1043
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: at a rock face to the west. The wind is

1044
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: coming out of the west. So if you're up high

1045
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: on that rock face on her feet above um, the

1046
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: wind will be right in your face, but down below

1047
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: in the morning, that wind is actually circling, and so

1048
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: we're facing the rock face, the wind is actually hitting

1049
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: us on our back coming from the east down below

1050
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: because it's rising back up against that rock face. We

1051
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: learned that the hard way coming out and starting in

1052
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: two thousand two, where you know, we think we're watching

1053
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: this great bench in front of us for almost at

1054
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: eye level, and then a deer come through and we

1055
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: can feel that wind on our back. Even though the

1056
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: winds forecasted west, it's just just blown right back up

1057
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: at that bench. So we learned pretty quickly and you know,

1058
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: to move our stand on the bench and consequent consequently,

1059
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: I think in that Stanley ended up shooting thirteen fourteen

1060
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: bucks averaging four years old over a twelve year period.

1061
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: And it was and we were counting on that west wind.

1062
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: And the problem with that is this the point we

1063
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: went down basically pointing northeast to our right when we're

1064
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: facing that bluff, and if the wind was too much

1065
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: out of the north or northwest, the wind would actually

1066
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: whip around that point. And then again with the same

1067
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: thought that it's tailing upward, it would actually tail up

1068
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: to the southwest. So um, you know, it's kind of

1069
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: like if you know, as far as respect to the

1070
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: wind and how it moves for the hills, it moves

1071
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: a lot like water. UM. If you can kind of

1072
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: imagine a wind slam meaning into the side of a

1073
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: point and then there're being a real ripple effect and

1074
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: circular effect behind that point. That's basically what happens. On

1075
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: the other hand when you flip over to the other

1076
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: side of that point and you're getting clean air from

1077
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: across the hollow, and that's a very very predictable wind. UM.

1078
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: So on that back side. UM. In the lee side

1079
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: can be pretty complicated, um with the angles that are

1080
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: wind the winds coming in at But as long as

1081
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: you're staying above them in the morning, then you're fine.

1082
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: At the same time, if you can try to go

1083
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: in there in the evening, the temperatures really a lot

1084
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: of times they're not settling and not reducing until that

1085
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: last hour of light, and so unfortunately you might have

1086
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: to get in there three hours four hours before to

1087
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, capitalize on some dear movement.

1088
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: So if that winds not settling till that last hour. Um,

1089
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: it can make make for a really miserable sit if

1090
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: you plan on it settling down in the in the

1091
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: quote right location, but it didn't do so till the

1092
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: last hour of your step, so that evening time. UM,

1093
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: what I try to do is, you know, coming on

1094
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: a safe wind and then knowing that with those thermal

1095
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: settling um, you can pretty much come in on exactly

1096
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: for example, which side of the ridge that wind is

1097
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: going to tail down to in the evening, and so

1098
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: you might have the wind falling down to the west

1099
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: behind or the ridge falling down to the west behind you,

1100
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: and in that wind is out of the self blowing

1101
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: from right to left. But as it gets closer to dark,

1102
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: you're going to find that wind tailing down behind you.

1103
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: So you need to consider that too in case you're

1104
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: coming coming in from behind you. It's almost like that

1105
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: ridge acts as a giant berm um the wind blowing

1106
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: against a parallel and then it will drop down into

1107
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: the valley right at dark. So if you're expecting dear

1108
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: to come up from that valley, you might have a

1109
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 1: great sit for the first two hours, but that last

1110
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: hour of light it might be blown right at them.

1111
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different uh. I mean, you really

1112
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: can study a topo and you can kind of planet

1113
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: and and make some sense of where it's going to go.

1114
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: But then you get out there. That's that's a true test.

1115
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: And when you find cuts and draws and steve ravines,

1116
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: they have a just like be with funnel water and

1117
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: suck water into them and move water the same way

1118
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: with the wind too. Yeah, this is one of most topics.

1119
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: I can get my head spinning pretty quick. Uh. Very so,

1120
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of jumping ahead here, But something you just

1121
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: said they're um related to these ridgelines. I just want

1122
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: to confirm something with you that I've been sitting thinking

1123
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: about a lot this past weekend. There's everybody kind of

1124
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: has their own take on how dear use the wind?

1125
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: You know, specifically a mature buck. How's the mature buck

1126
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: using the wind in his favor at certain times of

1127
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: the year. And I'm curious because I was sitting there

1128
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: this past weekend in Iowa trying to predict, Okay, on

1129
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: November two, how's about going to be using this ridgeline?

1130
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: How's about gonna be using this point? And I'm sitting

1131
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: there trying to think through all these things, and I'm

1132
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: mentally filtering through like what twenty eight different people have

1133
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: told me and what I've seen, and trying to figure

1134
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: out what's the right way to go about this. So

1135
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: can you share us your opinion, Jeff on how mature

1136
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: buck would use a feature like a ridgeline with a

1137
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: crop field on top and a valley down below. How

1138
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: is he using that at this time of year? And

1139
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: how is he using that during the rut and then

1140
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: the wind? I guess how is he using the wind

1141
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: with that topography at those two times a year. Well

1142
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: that that gets my head spinning too on that topic,

1143
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: and and it really opens up the can of worms too,

1144
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: because here's the thing too. If the main food sources

1145
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: in the valley versus the top, you know a lot

1146
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of people say, well that that bok. I've heard these

1147
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: things where the buckle bed three quarters of the way

1148
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: up the hill or two thirds of the way or

1149
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is. That really depends on where the foods at.

1150
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: So if the foods down below, then he's gonna bed

1151
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: up high if because the doors are going to bed

1152
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: down below, and then if the food's up high, those

1153
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: doors are gonna bed around that high quality food source,

1154
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna bed halfway down or maybe even

1155
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: all the way down in the bottom. And so what's

1156
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: interesting is the property we used for twelve years out here,

1157
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: we had really specific mature buck bedding areas and in

1158
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: the box because we had enough of them, and there's

1159
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: an old age actual we had one buck that we

1160
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: feel good at be eight years old. We shot a

1161
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: few that were in that five to seven year old range.

1162
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: They had very specific defined betting areas, and it was

1163
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: interesting because when they were really hopping and they were

1164
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: in those areas and they were moving a lot um,

1165
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter which way the wind was blowing, they

1166
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: always stayed in that betting area. They always traveled from

1167
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: that betting area to another food source. She could always

1168
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: count on that movement. The trick was having stand locations

1169
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: in place and set to take advantage of that movement,

1170
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: regardless of what wind that you were presented with. And

1171
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: so it wasn't more about how is this block going

1172
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: to move the windows, you know, use it to his advantages?

1173
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: How can I actually even hunt in that area and

1174
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: not get busted? And so by by looking at it

1175
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. If you know that box on that point,

1176
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: you always traveling um to the top of that point

1177
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: going to a food source. Then which side of the

1178
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: point do I need to be on for the wind?

1179
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: And it really is a question. Let's say he chose

1180
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: to be on the other side. There's not a lot

1181
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: you can do about it if the wind is not

1182
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: in your favor. And so what I found and and

1183
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: this is typical a way tells anywhere they usually do

1184
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: if they can, if they can curl around and approach

1185
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: food source from the down wind, they will same with

1186
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: a bedding area. And so if you're on that downwind edge,

1187
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: I think it tooks odds in your favor a lot

1188
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: too to where if he does want to, Because when

1189
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: he's back in his secure caroverty he can. I think

1190
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: he feels pretty comfortable to move around with whatever wind.

1191
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 1: You know, this presented whether he's moving with the wind

1192
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: against the wind. But as he's getting closer to a

1193
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: risk area, risk area meaning an open food source, maybe

1194
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: even a transition ay where he's picked up some hunters

1195
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: scent in the past, I think that's where he starts

1196
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 1: to curl around a little bit and use the wind

1197
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: to his advantage. And if you're on that downwind edge, um,

1198
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: and you're in that thick line or slightly um downwind

1199
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: of it, then you have a great, um, you real

1200
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: high likelihood that you've gotta run into the mature buccane

1201
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: is going to be on the safe side of the

1202
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: wind as far as you being able to get a

1203
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: good shot at him. You know, that probably an answer

1204
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: the question directly. I know, but um, it really there's

1205
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of variables that come into play. Um, yeah,

1206
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: I And it really depends on where the food's at.

1207
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: If it's you know, you might have We had a

1208
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: big flat on our last property with a lot of

1209
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: points and hollows. It was interesting because the food was

1210
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: high on one side and the box bedded low, and

1211
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: because it was you know, low on the other side,

1212
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: then they bedded high. And it really depended. It was

1213
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: determined by how much cover there was and where the

1214
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: doors are betting adjacent to that food, and how much

1215
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: room the box had to bed behind them. But they

1216
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: would bed in the same spot. It seemed like every day,

1217
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, are you ever seeing instances? Me and Mark

1218
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about this last week, but

1219
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: are you ever seeing instances where the deer are coming

1220
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: with the wind, Yes, I am, and it's it's really

1221
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: when there's there's uh that when they really don't have

1222
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: any other choice. Um. But at the same time, that's

1223
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: where they might be coming with the wind out of

1224
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: their betting area. But then if they can curl around

1225
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 1: and travel into the wind to get into the food

1226
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: source in the evening or vice versa, fromto the betting area,

1227
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: then then you find them doing that into that. It's

1228
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: almost like they have their stopping point or either the

1229
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: betting area or the food and when they get to

1230
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: those stopping points, it seems like that's when they want

1231
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: to curl into the wind and and make sure what

1232
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: they're moving into its safe. But we've seen them move

1233
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: with the wind. Um. Now, I do like if if

1234
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: the wind is a little bit at a slight angle

1235
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: so they can have the illusion of having the wind

1236
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: in their face and I'm just off to the side

1237
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: in an area that I could blow my wind into safely,

1238
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: then um, I think that's a that's a really good tactic.

1239
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see more bucks in that

1240
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: case than than not. This. Uh. This stuff is just

1241
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: endlessly both fascinating and frustrating. For me, is it's like

1242
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: just always trying to figure it out, and it's like

1243
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: you come to believe one thing and then the next

1244
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: day you see a deer do something the opposite way,

1245
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: and it squirrels everything up again. Um, but man, it

1246
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: makes it fun to try to figure it out, that's

1247
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: for sure. They're very fun. And that's where you know,

1248
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: like we were sharing some you know, I was talking

1249
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: about some buck pictures that I had, and we're sharing

1250
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: the excitement earlier in the week for what's coming ahead.

1251
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: And and that's I mean, I've I've been doing this

1252
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: thirty years and I it's like Christmas, you know, I

1253
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: can't wait. I'm I'm sure my wife is sick of

1254
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: me talking in and unfortunately you gotta feel for too.

1255
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, she she sends out all my books, she

1256
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: has to proofread everything and edit everything. Um. She worked

1257
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: for the printer. She she's she's not a hunter. She's

1258
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: when turkey hunting. This year, she loves going out. She's

1259
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: spent on a couple of the Dull retrievals, even some

1260
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: tracking jobs. This year. Um, I mean she had to

1261
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: throw away part of her one of her pairs of

1262
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: sweats because she got it so ripped up and phoned up.

1263
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: Her arms are cut up looking for my sons pot

1264
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. So she she's forced into this,

1265
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: and in this time of year, it's uh, you know,

1266
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: it's it's an exciting time and not being able to

1267
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: figure it out one is certainly a lot of the fun. Yeah,

1268
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: So let's fast forward a little bit. We've talked a

1269
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: little bit. We've talked about some things that apply to

1270
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: any time of year, but most have been focused on,

1271
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, the next ten days from now, this prep period.

1272
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: But let's get into November. Now, we're talking more into

1273
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: the prime of what most of us think about when

1274
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: we consider running action. For me, it's those those first

1275
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: two weeks of November are kind of like my Super Bowl.

1276
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: It's how I think a lot of us look at it.

1277
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: Um to start, can you share with us your opinion

1278
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Speaker 1: on the timing of the right I know you alluded

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Speaker 1: to it a little bit when you mentioned there are

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Speaker 1: some theories about the moon. We've talked about a lot

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Speaker 1: of different theories, but I just want to hear from

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Speaker 1: your take, Jeff, what's your take on what actually causes

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Speaker 1: the trigger what triggers the actual breeding and the rut.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's the reduction of light in the sky,

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Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, whatever you want to call it, just

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Speaker 1: the same as the leaves changing and um. Just like

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Speaker 1: the leaves changing, um, they can I think they can

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Speaker 1: be spurned on the change in the leaves of color.

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Speaker 1: At least I'm dropping off the trees a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier later because of the frost, because of the temperature,

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Speaker 1: is because of the wind. But basically those colors change

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Speaker 1: at the same time every year, and I believe that

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Speaker 1: yard too. I was real fortunate to spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time with John Zoga back in the last late

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Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand period, and he's a uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: nationally known research gear biologist. He's probably has the most

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Speaker 1: pure viewed articles out of anybody, you know, studying anything

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Speaker 1: and everything. But he told me a little long ago

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Speaker 1: he talked about the breeding period in the up and Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and I believe they're not going to quote him because

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact that. I believe there was

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Speaker 1: November eleven that they found that of the dolls were

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Speaker 1: bred out within a week to ten days on either

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Speaker 1: side of that might even one in a week on

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Speaker 1: either side of it. And they could go back and

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Speaker 1: and they had ultrasounded uh car killed dough is um,

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: they had checked fetuses, and they were able to go

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Speaker 1: back and unborn fonds and basically go back to the

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Speaker 1: the breeding day and the data conception and they could

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Speaker 1: actually figure out the exact day that that that faun

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Speaker 1: was conceived. They charted those and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they had two thousand dollars fall on combinations, and they

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Speaker 1: were able to see over a twenty year period that

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Speaker 1: there was this no correlation between the moon. Now that

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Speaker 1: being said, you know what I find here in southwest

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin is that the pre rut is in the last

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Speaker 1: seven to ten days. The main portion of the rud

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Speaker 1: is in the first seven to ten days in November,

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Speaker 1: the last seven to ten days for pre rut in October,

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Speaker 1: and then the first those first seven to ten days

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Speaker 1: in November. Now, when I go down to southern Ohio,

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Speaker 1: and if you stretch that line to southern Indiana, southern Illinois,

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Speaker 1: over in the portion of the Pennsylvania, maybe even over

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Speaker 1: in the Maryland, Delaware, and then over into Kansas, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: Um that line is is about a ten days later.

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Speaker 1: It could be a weekly year, could be two weeks later.

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Speaker 1: But that pre rut um instead of starting the October

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, UM, it's going to start more like the fifth,

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Speaker 1: the second, the first, UM, they're just a little bit

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Speaker 1: behind the further self tea go. But what I find

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Speaker 1: is consistently the same. Now that you know, Mark, you

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Speaker 1: might be on one property five miles away and I'm

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Speaker 1: over here and I'm seeing tons of running activity. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing rub scrapes and mature box flying around. You're

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Speaker 1: not over there. And I think that it just boils

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Speaker 1: down to if you don't have any mature box that

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Speaker 1: are residing and have chosen to call that fall cover

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: that you have their home during that season, then you're

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Speaker 1: not going to see the activity until that peak ruck.

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Speaker 1: And and so that's why there could be a huge

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Speaker 1: variance just from even a mile apart where someone has

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Speaker 1: you know, it's more of that have and have not

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Speaker 1: to situation. But once we get into the pre rut

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: that's that's where the fund begins. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: that to me is a time of where it's more undefined. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the box are going to be moving, but

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Speaker 1: are they moving on my land yours or you know

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: they around home or you know, are there are there

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: girls running out at the bar and they have to

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Speaker 1: go to the next one. So that's that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of a look at that. And so it's that's you know,

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Speaker 1: in that respect, that's kind of what it feels like

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Speaker 1: to where you know, who knows what's going to happen.

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: And of course when you get in the post, right,

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Speaker 1: that's when there's no girls anyways, you know anywhere in

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: those old box really still have that taste and they

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Speaker 1: really want to go find one um and there, and

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Speaker 1: they might even get into some aggressive, really bad fights too,

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Speaker 1: because there are those other old dudes are looking around too,

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Speaker 1: and and uh, and they tend to run into each

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Speaker 1: other and they're willing to move a long distances to

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Speaker 1: at that time. So so here's my here's it's all

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Speaker 1: of our scene. It is. So what I'm curious about. Then,

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Speaker 1: as we get into that time period where you mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: it becomes a little more undefined. When that pre rot

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Speaker 1: to rout period starts, can often deer start moving a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, chasing the doughs or looking for the

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Speaker 1: doughs and stuff like that. At that time frame, your

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Speaker 1: philosophy related to, you know, finding the high value sits

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Speaker 1: and pay attention to the cold fronts and the wind

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Does that go out the window

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Speaker 1: for you or are you still paying attention to that

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Speaker 1: and applying it in early November. How I'm definitely still

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Speaker 1: applying it because I look at it like every day

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Speaker 1: during the week is not a good day, you know,

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: it's or not a great day. My my least partner,

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Speaker 1: Carlo Hill, drive up Georgia No Hunt eight days in

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Speaker 1: a row, and we figured there's probably two or three

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Speaker 1: really good days, there's two or three middle value days,

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Speaker 1: and then there's two or three days that he might

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Speaker 1: even just spend one or two days outside of the words,

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Speaker 1: letting the stands improve and not over using stands on

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Speaker 1: a smaller property. And so I'm still riding that roller

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Speaker 1: coaster of the of the cold fronts. And you'll find

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Speaker 1: the cold fronts are usually coming through every five to

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Speaker 1: ten days, so they're pretty uh, pretty reliable. And of

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Speaker 1: course if it's just a decent old day and during

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Speaker 1: the ruck, that's certainly better than that same condition in

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Speaker 1: the middle of October. You know, there's there's definitely a

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Speaker 1: higher value for placing a priority on getting in the

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01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: woods during the ruck. But at the same time, if

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Speaker 1: you can afford to be flexible, then then I still

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Speaker 1: do At the same time. UM, it might be that

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: you can choose three weekends in early hunt. And so

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Speaker 1: let's say you could choose two days on either side

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Speaker 1: of that weekend hunt will might be cooler on Monday Tuesday, Well,

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Speaker 1: then I'd stay out of the woods on Thursday Friday.

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01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: Switch those vacation days and um. And so even just

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Speaker 1: looking at I can only hunt long weekends, even just

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: one day off, you might be better off taking a

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01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: Monday versus a Friday. Um, just depending on the weather.

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: So even then you can let your weather, you know,

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: let the weather guide you a little bit and um

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01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: and and really prioritize your the value of your sense

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: from a from a pressure standpoint, Um, you go into uh,

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: I guess on evening hunt and then a morning hut

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Speaker 1: in the same stand location. Let's say, do you feel

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: that after after those two sets that the tree stand

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01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: is then bad because the deer have maybe worked their

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01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: way back. How I guess how many times in the

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: stand do you think you can get away with it

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01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: before it starts going downhill. Well, you know, a lot

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: of that depends on a lot of these questions to

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01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: depend on a lot of other factors. But let's give

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Speaker 1: a couple of examples. I would say I know guys,

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01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the Michigan area. For example,

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: they might have a forty acre parcel. They're really going

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Speaker 1: to narrowing it down to they want to go into

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the rut. You know, let's say their

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Speaker 1: favorite time that goes on November five, November three, November

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: stub of the Emaif they're choosing a high weather, know,

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01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: high value weather day, but they're going to go into

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: their favorite stand in the middle of a forty They're

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: going to go in an hour before light, maybe two hours.

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna sit and they're not going to move all day. Well,

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: even then, there's still their downlind sense going to spook

1427
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: some deer because their tree stand is in the middle

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: of the woods. There's a great chance they're gonna leave

1429
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: sent in out even if they just happened to brush it,

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: you know, insta a twig or some grass on the

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: way in and out. UM. So to me, that's a

1432
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: lot more invasive. So the quality and the value of

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: that stand location does not have the staying power as

1434
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 1: opposed to let's say someone's hunting just a narrow funnel

1435
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: in between a couple of high quality betting areas and

1436
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: you can come in from one way or the other.

1437
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: You're coming through deerless open area to get there. Your

1438
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: scent is always secure on the down wind because maybe

1439
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: it's blown into a pond or a cliff or an

1440
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: open hardwood forest, you know, somewhere even a pile of

1441
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: spruce or something, whether it's not holding dear, So it's

1442
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: a pretty safe set. And in that case, now I

1443
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 1: would rather skip around and try out different stand locases.

1444
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: But that being said, if you had to, you know,

1445
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: sit in the stands and set up like that multiple

1446
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: days in a row, you're a lot better off in

1447
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: that situation than going in the middle of your forty

1448
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: and taking that all day sit on a more invasive

1449
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: um set. So you know, typically I look at like

1450
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: if a stand will sit for a week or two

1451
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: um in between sets, and you had a pretty nine

1452
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: evasive set, and it's still a good quality stand. But

1453
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: that being said, I think probably my mature box. And

1454
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm even thinking back. You know, up to the top

1455
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: twenty bucks have been shot um the first time, and

1456
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: a few on the second time going into the stand.

1457
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: Very few on that third four set. Do you think

1458
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: that if you spook a buck, let's say, going in

1459
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: to an initial set, or he'd bust you while you're

1460
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: in the stand, Do you think that buck is long

1461
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: gone or what's your opinion on if they're coming back

1462
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: or until they're back into the swing of things again.

1463
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference whether you're you're walking

1464
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: into an afternoon set, it's two o'clock, it's getting dark

1465
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: at six, and that big monster you're after you you

1466
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: go over a little bit of a knull and he's

1467
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: there thirty yards away staring right at you. Um, he's

1468
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: probably not going to be back there for a long time.

1469
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I had this happen the other

1470
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: morning where I walked in fairly early and when I

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: went across a slight opening in the woods, um where

1472
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: a certain four year old buck hangs. Now, it's a

1473
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: really beautiful eight point that I've passed up. A couple

1474
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: of times. He was I just had this giant boxer,

1475
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: giant deer runaway. When he's running through the brush, he

1476
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: blew and blue and blue, and then he went down

1477
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: lower and then he blew again, and it said deep,

1478
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: just deep blow of an older deer, and my heart

1479
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of saying. I thought, man, which which mature buck was?

1480
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: That there was no little deer with it. So it

1481
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: wasn't a pile of dolls and falls, It wasn't a

1482
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: dough and phone all by itself sounded big. I even

1483
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: tried to listen for antler's crashing against brush. I couldn't

1484
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: hear it. I have a trail camera there, so I

1485
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: went and Um. Two days later, I snuck up in

1486
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: that area. It's by logging road. It's pretty easy to

1487
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: get in and out, non invasive. My son and I

1488
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: went up there check that card. Sure enough. Um, when

1489
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: I walked in at ten after six or five whatever

1490
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: it was, he was there at like five in the

1491
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: morning getting his picture taken. So I know that was him.

1492
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: That being said that evening he came into that that

1493
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: same little area gut his picture taken about a half

1494
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: hour before dark as he was cruising back onto the property.

1495
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: And I think and I went in the dark. I

1496
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: don't think he smelled me. He certainly couldn't see me.

1497
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: He heard me just stepping as quietly as possibly. And

1498
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: then in the sandy trail, and so you know, in

1499
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: that case, a lot different than going out to in

1500
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: the afternoon and him just looking at me when I

1501
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: walked again. So he came right back, and I've I've

1502
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: had one mature comeback after him. Messed up shooting at

1503
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: him and UH didn't get him. He came back about

1504
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: ten days later and UM ended up shooting him in

1505
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: that in that same spot. But even then he stopped

1506
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: at about thirty yards and started walking around me. UM,

1507
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: so he remembered that after about ten days. Pretty interesting

1508
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: stuff to see that how they can start well, whether

1509
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: you call it remember or associate an area with danger

1510
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, it is, how they can they can learn

1511
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: It's that's definitely clear, I think, is that they can

1512
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: learn where danger is and they learn how to avoid it,

1513
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: or in some cases that in some cases they can

1514
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: determine what level of danger there is. So yes, yeah,

1515
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: and you know they have sight, sound, and sense, So

1516
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one they placed her priority on,

1517
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: but when they smell you, see you, and hear you.

1518
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: That's a really bad thing, as opposed to as opposed

1519
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: to just hearing some light steps that they think there's danger.

1520
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: You know, when when that bucket, you know that buck

1521
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: the other morning, when he ran and then he stopped,

1522
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: He ran and then he stopped, he ran, stopped, and

1523
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: blue and blue to me, he really didn't know what

1524
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: was going on, or he would have just been gone.

1525
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I might not even hurt him. He would have just

1526
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: been gone. He would have just slipped away. Um, So

1527
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: that's that's something to think about too. Usually they take

1528
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: off if they're if they really if they really feel

1529
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: they're in danger. Yeah, that's a great point. So in

1530
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: the rut, then let's actually talk about how we're hunting. Um,

1531
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: let's start mornings, and then let's talk about mornings and

1532
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: evening separately. And then I'm curious about that midday point

1533
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: to But I do know you've talked a lot about

1534
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: how much you love morning sits during the rut. Can

1535
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: you tell us about that? Why do you love morning

1536
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: sits during the rut so much? And then we're specifically

1537
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: do you like to hunt at that time of the year. Well,

1538
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: you know again, I think it all boils down to

1539
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: uh um temperature. And and again if there's that full

1540
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: moon rising, I think they'll be they'll move a little

1541
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: bit later in the morning too, but we're shooting the

1542
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: bulk of our box between two and four hours after

1543
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: first light. We're back in those betting areas. And if

1544
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: you think about it, you could have a morning where

1545
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 1: it's twenty seven degrees at daybreak, it's still it's still

1546
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: in the thirties at noon. It might even rise up

1547
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: to fifty seven degrees in the afternoon, but it's still

1548
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: relatively cold all morning long. And so when we look

1549
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: back at the trail carying photos, we're finding a lot

1550
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: of our buck pitchers are from fifty seven degrees on down,

1551
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: and so we're not getting a lot of mature box

1552
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: during the middle of the day at seventy degrees and

1553
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: sixty degrees and eighty degrees and um. And so you

1554
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: really see that they do seem to want to move

1555
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot more when it's cool out, whether it's windy

1556
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: or not. And uh so that's I like placing that

1557
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: high priority in the in the morning time and then

1558
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: in the evening those temperatures aren't changing until that last hour.

1559
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: I think they're for the most part in the middle

1560
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: of day, a lot of time sitting there and uh

1561
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: and so you know that's my time to move to

1562
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: an evening stand or if I am at all they said,

1563
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: I'll set it out. But but yeah, that I placed

1564
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: a high priority on the morning just to me the

1565
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: hours of opportunity that you have compared to the evening,

1566
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: especially back in those betting areas where they're cruising all

1567
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: morning long. So those morning sits you mentioned betting areas

1568
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: are you Are you hunting the down and the down

1569
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: wind side of a betting area? Are you right in

1570
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: the betting area? Are you hunting funnels between? Can I

1571
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: more detail on that? And curious? Sure, there's a there's

1572
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: one standard particularly I can think of. We're coming into

1573
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: the bottom area and we're coming into a point, and

1574
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: there's a large betting area around the corner um around

1575
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: the point, and then there's another one off to the left,

1576
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: so basically we're in between that be think you're a

1577
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: terrible spot in the evening. Um. I think we shot

1578
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: one mature buck there over all the years. But in

1579
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: the morning, those bucks are down low with the big

1580
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: food sources of high and they're cruising in between those

1581
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: betting areas. They don't cruise in the in October, law,

1582
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: they're not out there in September. They're not there in

1583
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 1: the evening because all the deer focused towards the tops.

1584
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: But in the morning, we're writing between those betting areas

1585
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: were probably you know, say seventy yards on one side

1586
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: is a great betting area that expands for five acres,

1587
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: and then over to the other side, we have a

1588
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: series of betting areas and benches that that you know,

1589
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: might be a half acre acre in size, and we're

1590
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: just getting in between those now. Sometimes um with the

1591
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: ridge tops that we have around here, I'm going in

1592
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: and sitting right in the middle of the betting area,

1593
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: might be on a point, and once I get there

1594
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: in my wind is safe. I'm trying to come in

1595
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: on the side where i don't expect as much deer,

1596
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not laying a centrail form to find. But

1597
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right in the middle of betting area with

1598
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: the thermals rising on my side and blowing out towards

1599
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: an open hollow. Not something you can do as much

1600
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: in Michigan or an area that's flat, for example. UM.

1601
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: But but a lot of times I'm right on the edge.

1602
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty close. R. I'm in between two really high

1603
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: quality betting areas. UM. But you know, really it depends

1604
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: on the situation. But you know, focusing on those betting areas. Uh,

1605
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, really this way, if you have three betting

1606
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: areas in a row, Um, instead of sitting on the

1607
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: last one, right on the edge, hoping that you know,

1608
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of laying playing all your cards for that

1609
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: one betting area. UM, I'd rather be in the middle one,

1610
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,919
Speaker 1: for example. So I'm in between, I'm getting the movement

1611
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: from possibly three different betting areas and through that middle one,

1612
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: as opposed to staying all around the end. So it's

1613
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: all about creating opportunity. It really depends on the situation.

1614
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: You know, how how the betting areas to lay out

1615
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: makes sense? Do you do you? I know you mentioned

1616
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: lots of times hunt a different place in the morning

1617
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: verse of the evening. How often do you actually hunt

1618
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: though the entire day? Um? I hunt the entire day.

1619
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think last year, Um, you know I

1620
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: might have hunted uh seven to ten? All they sits

1621
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: but um, all but two of those were in different stands,

1622
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: So I'll actually just get down and move about, you know,

1623
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: five ten minute walk to a different stand that I

1624
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: might think is better towards evening, or even might even

1625
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: take a half hour walk to get there. Um. But

1626
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: i might be in the woods all day, but as

1627
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: far as sitting in the same same stand rarely, just

1628
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: because of the fact that if I'm sitting near food,

1629
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: then that morning time might not be that great because

1630
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: they're back in the betting areas. If I'm staying in

1631
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: the betting areas all day, then the closer gets to dark,

1632
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: the value of my set um goes drastically. Donald's, those

1633
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: deer going towards the food are focusing on the food.

1634
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: So when you get in the peak rot and there's

1635
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: more midday movement, and I'm trying to focus on air

1636
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: essay downland of food. Um, possibly between betting areas, so

1637
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get an act of gear movement. I'm

1638
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: trying to get movement that might go side to side.

1639
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: I might get movement going back and forth between food

1640
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: and bedding. So I'm kind of in the middle of

1641
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: it all with my sent blowing into a steep ridge

1642
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: or hollow or maybe off the to the one side

1643
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: or the other where where I can expect to sit

1644
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: all day, throw my son into safe areas, maybe even

1645
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: with a changing wind, and then still take advantage of

1646
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: both cruising um activity and betting to food activity or

1647
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: vice versa, because that's the one time where you know,

1648
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: during that peak rod and a little bit sometimes in

1649
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: the post rout where I'll take a I'll take a

1650
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: seat all day, maybe even in the same stand where

1651
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm just in that really fantastic cruising area

1652
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: that also relates to food and bedding movement at the

1653
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: same time. So here's something I've I've been I've wondered

1654
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: a lot about and had different thoughts on when you

1655
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 1: are going to do that switch from the morning to

1656
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: the evening stand. What time of daity thinks the safest

1657
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: to switch stands. I know that's a that's a good

1658
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: fuel question too, because there's times where I'll even say

1659
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch about eleven, I'm gonna switch about noon. UM.

1660
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: I can remember one time we were we were hunting

1661
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: during the rout and it was a four day hunt.

1662
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: It was the first four days in November. I think

1663
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: it's going back to about two thousand three, and the

1664
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: temperatures were in the teams in the morning. Um, they

1665
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: got up to the low thirties during the day and

1666
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: sometimes the twenties. We sat dark to dark every day.

1667
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: I think we saw twenty nine bucks between the two

1668
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: of us, and we didn't see a box between noon

1669
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: and one thirty. And it just happened to be that way.

1670
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: But we see a pretty light period during that we

1671
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of pressure. There's not guys moving

1672
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: and bumping deer um, So those deer were getting out

1673
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: at that time. But there's a lot of times where

1674
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm planning and sitting tall, especially during the rut, like

1675
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: when I go out this this weekend price it's eleven

1676
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 1: maybe noon, um. But at the same time, it might

1677
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: be that it's eleven o'clock and I haven't seen a

1678
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: deer in two and a half hours, and I'm a

1679
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: lot more likely to get out then and go switch

1680
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: to another stand um just out of share boredom at

1681
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: that point, or I just want to change the scenery

1682
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: or something, um, then actually sticking it out till my

1683
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: designated noontime that I that I had originally set. On

1684
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: the other hand, I might say I'm gonna get out

1685
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: at noon, and then I'm I just had a pretty

1686
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: decent buck go through at twelve. Well, then I probably

1687
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: sit at another hour and just see if there's any

1688
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: other action going on at that time in that area.

1689
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, I would say around eleven or twelve, especially

1690
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: during the rout this time of the year, when it

1691
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: was October lawl I was sitting for about three hours.

1692
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: I kind of have a three hour I loved to

1693
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: sit at least three hours in the daylight, whether it's

1694
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm getting in there forty five minutes early,

1695
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: and then I'm I'm sitting one stay breaks for three hours,

1696
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: saying in the afternoon, um, and then as it gets

1697
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: more towards the pre rot and peak rud, I'm sitting

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01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot longer hours to the point of just the

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01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: only time I might not be sitting as moving from

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: one stand to the next. Okay, okay, well we don't

1701
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: know real quick. Part two. You know I probably run

1702
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: a time here about is just going to mention some

1703
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: of those stands you're sitting in the the betting area

1704
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: stands in the morning, they can be pretty darn good

1705
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: up till two in the afternoon one or something like that.

1706
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,799
Speaker 1: And so if I'm moving to more pure evening food stand,

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01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: i might actually sit in the until mid afternoon, just

1708
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: because value is going to remain pretty high and there's

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01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: a big difference from the stand that I'm going to

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01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: in value too at that time. Yeah, that makes a

1711
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: lot of sense. So like, like you guess, Jeff, we

1712
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: are coming up on time. UM, So Dan, do you

1713
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: have a final question for Jeff before wrap things up?

1714
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Anything else in your mind? We need to know, well,

1715
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: any advice on how to handle the wife. I think

1716
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: that's funny. I think we already touched on that a

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01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: little bit. It's kind of about um, you know, balancing

1718
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: that and it goes back into prioritizing your sets, UM,

1719
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: placing a high value on your sets, and knowing that

1720
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: sometimes less is more. UM. If you know, one high

1721
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: quality day could be worth a lot more than you

1722
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: know several old qualities or medium quality days. And so

1723
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: it might be that you know you have that three

1724
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: day weekend, UM, Saturday is going to top out of

1725
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: eighty two degrees or's thirty five wins. It's just a

1726
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: really poor day. You already took Friday off, so you know,

1727
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: just say I'm going to hunt on Friday and then

1728
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: tell your wife, Fay, let's do something together on Saturdays

1729
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: or anything you want me to do. Um. You know, really,

1730
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: she's gonna look at it like while you're you're taking

1731
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: this time in the middle of the rock, in the

1732
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: middle of the season. And and but you know that

1733
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: Sunday is a really high valued day, so you're kind

1734
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: of balancing that where you know you need to be

1735
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: in the stand and Sunday there's no no getting around that. Um.

1736
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the way and that and

1737
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: that also that approach works with your boss, maybe your workplace,

1738
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: depending on your work situation. Yeah, great advice, very very

1739
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: sound advice. I think me well, all all of us

1740
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: can can apply that into some degree, that's for sure.

1741
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: Now here's my final question, Jeff, we've only like scratched

1742
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: the very tippy top of the surface when it comes

1743
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: to some of these ideas and these topics. And I

1744
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: know you've written a lot about these things in more

1745
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: detail in your two books and your website and a

1746
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: third upcoming project. Can you tell us where can we

1747
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: go right now to learn more and what should we

1748
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,719
Speaker 1: be looking forward to here in a couple of weeks, um,

1749
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: while you can visit my website, uh www that White

1750
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: Till Habitat solutions dot com. If you can remember my name,

1751
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: just r judicial you run into me that way online too.

1752
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: At the same time, I have Facebook page with the

1753
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: same same name that's reactive. I try to get all

1754
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: my blogs on there. In the upcoming two weeks, UM,

1755
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: I have a release of my third book, UM and

1756
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: that should be released early to mid November. The details

1757
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: of that are on my site, but the name of

1758
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: it is Mature or buck Success by Design. The first

1759
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: book was more the habitat and structure of the hunting plan,

1760
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: even public land hunting and kind of setting up the

1761
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,879
Speaker 1: whole hunt. The second book was relating to food plots

1762
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: and the design and strategy of food plotting. And then

1763
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: this third box is purely about scouting, preparing and harvesting

1764
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: the sure box and and going over a lot of

1765
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: details that we talked today and talk today about and

1766
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: greatly expanding on them. Awesome. Well, I can't wait for

1767
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: that book. I will definitely be checking out and to

1768
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: the other things you mentioned the website in your previous

1769
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: two books for everyone listening. If you haven't already, you've

1770
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: got to check these out. There some of the best

1771
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: resources I found when it comes to hunting mature bucks,

1772
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: to managing a property and improving it. And you can

1773
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: even apply a lot of things, especially in the first

1774
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: book that Jeff talks about. You can apply that even

1775
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: to hunting you know, someone else's land that you just

1776
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: have permission on, or public land, all the above. They

1777
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 1: are concepts that, as you saw today in hearing from Jeff,

1778
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that really can help a lot. So Jeff, thank you

1779
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: so much for spending this time with us. I know

1780
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: that I'm even more excited now than I was an

1781
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,799
Speaker 1: hour ago because this is stuff that I can apply

1782
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: and I think might help me kill big deer. And

1783
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I well this year, Well that sounds great. Markets. I've

1784
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: been great with you and Dan. I always have a

1785
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: great time with you guys, So I I appreciate you

1786
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,799
Speaker 1: having me back. And uh, hey, this is an exciting

1787
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: time of the year. So um look forward to what's

1788
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: going on with all of us in the next week

1789
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: and look forward to hearing about him. Mark absolutely well, well,

1790
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: Dan had to drop off, but I know that he

1791
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: feels the same way, So good luck, Jeff, keep us

1792
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: posted and h we'll hopefully be talking to again soon.

1793
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 1: That sounds great, Thanks flat Mark. All right, have a

1794
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: good one, Jeff. So there you go. Another episode of

1795
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast is in the books. And before

1796
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: we sign off though a couple of quick things first,

1797
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: a big thank you to our partners who helped make

1798
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Speaker 1: this show possible. So big thank you Sick of Gear, Trophy,

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Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntara Maps, Ozana, Carbon Express,

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1801
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Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl of the deer hunting season coming

1802
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Speaker 1: up soon, as we've been talking about, it's a great

1803
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Speaker 1: time now to get geared up with some Wired to

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Speaker 1: leave us a rating review on iTunes, we'd of course

1815
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Speaker 1: really appreciate that as well. So with all of that said,

1816
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: good luck this coming weekend. Things are going to be exciting,

1817
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: so get out there shoot straight. Until next time, stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt the word up