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Speaker 2: The World's a pigeon podcaes Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Evan's

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Speaker 2: not here, but he has issued a statement on DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: We'll read that later.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, though, I would love to hear the

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Speaker 3: official statement. We've all expressed a right, we've all expressed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's know this is important because a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are. They need to know what heaven feels.

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Speaker 2: So go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Good luck to Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien. Patriots fans

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Speaker 4: deserve better. Thank you for privacy at this difficult time.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, one of the chief Patriots. So they can

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Speaker 5: buy the stadium and that's all you hear.

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Speaker 2: It's separate and that's the that I know. That was

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Speaker 2: on one of your shows too, And now we know

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Speaker 2: where they're spending all their money on the stadium.

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Speaker 5: Him expect that's part of me for every day.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: You think the quarterback is going to be the reason

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Speaker 5: why they better not because players make any place for him.

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Speaker 2: This isn't breedy, okay, So you can find ponies.

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Speaker 5: They haven't been able to.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard. They found ponies. You called them, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm just that's what I worry about.

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Speaker 5: You just encapsulated.

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Speaker 2: But you called those wide receivers pony.

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Speaker 5: I think the tight ends are ponies too.

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Speaker 6: Every year it's like something else they're experimenting with, trying

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Speaker 6: to find the right formula to find success post breed.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL without a quarterback, I know, And

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Speaker 2: no disrespect to Mac you know what I mean, Robin

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Speaker 2: San Diego via Connecticut. This is Patriot's Unfiltered, all right,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Gillette Stadium,

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Speaker 2: and the stadium itself is getting ready for Luke Combs,

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Speaker 2: yes tomorrow and Saturday, so you might hear some baby.

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Speaker 2: I know people don't like that.

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Speaker 4: Well you definitely will.

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Speaker 2: Nothing we can do about it. But it's amazing how

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Speaker 2: quickly they put those stages up.

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Speaker 4: I just don't well, it's like you don't know where

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Speaker 4: the construction ends, and when the concerts set up, takedown begins,

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Speaker 4: like it's always something right outside our doing.

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Speaker 2: Anyway that's going on and where going on. We'll be

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Speaker 2: on for two hours talking Patriots and everything else. Eight

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Speaker 2: email is web radio at patriot dot com. It's Deuce,

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Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt Nabooth. Evan's on vacation.

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Speaker 2: Please respect his privacy during that's difficult time. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea where or Alex's but.

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Speaker 5: There were no statements about Lendon Fournette or Darryl Henderson.

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Speaker 4: I think there were some tweets, but yeah, no statements.

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Speaker 5: So there's no statements.

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Speaker 2: There's stuff going on that, you know, as we get

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Speaker 2: closer to training camp, guys are trickling in here. Rookies

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Speaker 2: arrive tomorrow, Veterans arrive on Tuesday, is you know, by Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: so we're getting close and then Wednesday will be out

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Speaker 2: we have him. We've spent time, you know, talking about

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I really think it's it's getting

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Speaker 5: Is he on the hot seat?

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Speaker 2: How hot is the seat?

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Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing I think is is Bill on

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Speaker 2: And do you really want the season to be a disaster?

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Speaker 2: You know, you have to question you know, sports of

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Speaker 5: Is that something that you look to avoid?

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Speaker 4: And you say, you know what, I'd rather have a

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Speaker 2: I mean, I gets the good teams, they they didn't

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Speaker 4: And it's like the switch that I feel like is,

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Speaker 5: I don't have my pitchfork out and saying this guy's

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Speaker 5: what he's done matters, Like he's done more than any

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Speaker 5: You're probably right. You hired the back nine, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know that the effects of that trickle down to everything.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm hopeful about O'Brien because he rose up

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get to some of the stories that are

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not really surprised they've shown interest in

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Speaker 5: a seventh rounder for a sixth rounder, that's how they

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Speaker 5: got them. I definitely would have been interested. Absolutely.

436
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Speaker 4: I mean, I just I mean, we've talked about this

437
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 4: is the dividing line between the four guys the receiver

438
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Speaker 4: that you know, I mean include I'm gonna clude Thornton

439
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 4: in that as a four NFL receiver, but after that

440
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 4: it's nobody's caught a pass. So I think you need

441
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Speaker 4: one more receiver, Like you're one injury away from being like, okay,

442
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Speaker 4: now you really need Booty or you know, the other

443
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Speaker 4: guys Davis to emerge and take a role. They didn't

444
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Speaker 4: really fill Nelson Agalore's kind of spot. I know that

445
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 4: you know, those things are kind of fluid, but I

446
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: think that a back and a receiver not going to

447
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 4: be DeAndre Hopkins. But I think those are two editions.

448
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Speaker 2: A little bit little personnel news out there. Another thing

449
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,959
Speaker 2: that one of your guys said yesterday, I believe it

450
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Speaker 2: was yesterday. I don't. I don't know if it's true,

451
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: but if it is, I was like, really, and I

452
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 2: guess we should know because we're with the team and

453
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 2: they're not. But they said that Jack Jones. The Patriots

454
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: have been sending Jack Jones out to community events.

455
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Speaker 4: I just saw him with a he was with mccordy

456
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: at something. I saw him with mccordy. There was a

457
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Speaker 4: video with that's not I don't know when that was

458
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: or what it was. I mean, I did see Jack

459
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: Jones was back on Twitter.

460
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Speaker 2: In a couple of tweets. Saw that.

461
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Speaker 5: Message there.

462
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what what's going to happen there,

463
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Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, Arnemy just thinks he's going

464
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Speaker 4: to be out there and he's not gonna be available

465
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Speaker 4: in the media, but he's just gonna be practicing.

466
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Speaker 5: I have not seen anything like on the site or anything.

467
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 5: I have all him, but that doesn't mean all due respect.

468
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Speaker 5: I'm not as up on all the community events. There

469
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Speaker 5: were a lot of them. I twise was down here yesterday. Yep,

470
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Speaker 5: Well we still promising me.

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Speaker 2: Was d Max thing related with im?

472
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure what it was.

473
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Speaker 4: He was there with with some kids, so I don't

474
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Speaker 4: think it was one of our things. I think it

475
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Speaker 4: might have been just a d Max solo thing he

476
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Speaker 4: brought along, brought him along for. But I don't know

477
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Speaker 4: what to expect with me.

478
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Speaker 5: It could have been as simple as Devin sort of

479
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Speaker 5: reaching out to him and saying, hey, kid, don't you

480
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Speaker 5: come with me.

481
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Speaker 4: I'll show you what's brilliant important, which would be great,

482
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Speaker 4: which is great.

483
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Speaker 5: I don't even know.

484
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Speaker 4: But I don't even know for sure that that it,

485
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Speaker 4: that it's happened in the last couple of weeks.

486
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Speaker 2: I was a little surprised that that was said definitively. Well,

487
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be surprised that it was definitively.

488
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Speaker 5: I didn't catch that. Was that was that my guy? Mike?

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sending him out to me. Over the

490
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Speaker 2: last few years, he's got like he starts to squeal

491
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Speaker 2: a little bit, like when he gets excited.

492
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Speaker 5: Maybe that's Tony running off on.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I don't.

494
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Speaker 4: See blood pressure rubbing off on That's great.

495
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Speaker 5: I had not I had not heard that.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what to expect with him though,

497
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Speaker 4: like Jack Jones like that. I mean, it's the biggest

498
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Speaker 4: question probably of of Wednesday. Is he out there and

499
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Speaker 4: they letting him practice? You know, that's going to be

500
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Speaker 4: the first arrival that will will hopefully.

501
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Speaker 5: I still have no idea what to expect in regards

502
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Speaker 5: to him on Wednesday.

503
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Speaker 4: My feeling right now is he's just gonna be out

504
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Speaker 4: there until he can't be out there, you know, and

505
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Speaker 4: then if he's got a court hearing while they're in

506
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: Green Bay, he's not there for that, but they just

507
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Speaker 4: keep practicing.

508
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Speaker 5: Think it's a really bad look if something bad happens

509
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 5: after and they keep playing he was out there, you know.

510
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 5: Like in other words, the eighteenth comes around and it's

511
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Speaker 5: definitive whatever. I don't even know exactly what the procedures are,

512
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't know. I have no idea what

513
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Speaker 5: to expect.

514
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Speaker 2: What other news has come out recently.

515
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Speaker 5: Well, one thing that is not really news to us,

516
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Speaker 5: because the coaching situation with the coaching titles has sort

517
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Speaker 5: of been something that we've been aware of for a while,

518
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Speaker 5: but evidently everybody found.

519
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Speaker 4: It yesterday, okay, digging on the website.

520
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, okay, so I was gonna I

521
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Speaker 5: meant to ask you off air because I didn't want

522
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Speaker 5: to be a lawyer who got was guilty of the

523
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Speaker 5: cardinal sin of asking a question that you don't know

524
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Speaker 5: the answer to, right, That was what I thought that

525
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Speaker 5: we had updated that. Yeah, weeks ago.

526
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Speaker 2: We made a decision We're not gonna, like trumpet a

527
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: press release out about it here, you know, we just

528
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: we put up the titles.

529
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Speaker 5: And someone found it yesterday and everybody opined on it

530
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Speaker 5: as if it was like, I don't know, but I

531
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Speaker 5: have no idea. You don't think I read any of

532
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Speaker 5: the opines like it says here, Bill O'Brien.

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, there was no there were no surprises.

534
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Speaker 5: There's one I think I think Joe Judges.

535
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Speaker 4: Joe Judge assistant head Coaches.

536
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Speaker 2: Well, we were told that at the time that's what it was.

537
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Speaker 5: Some people had no we we've known the title for

538
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 5: a while now. When I've learned that title, it surprised me.

539
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Speaker 5: That's what that's what it was billed as.

540
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Speaker 2: It's assistant head coach.

541
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Speaker 4: The George because.

542
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Speaker 5: The traveling right, like the assistant head coach is different

543
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Speaker 5: than that. So I don't know what it means.

544
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Speaker 4: I think it should have said special teams coordinator.

545
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Speaker 5: I could tell you in putting together some of the stuff.

546
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Speaker 5: And I'm not going to like quote every single thing

547
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 5: that was involved, but putting together those bios and whatnot

548
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 5: for the yearbook that we're publishing, it's a bigger role

549
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 5: than I thought based on the bio.

550
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Speaker 4: I wonder where he's gonna be on game day too, Like,

551
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Speaker 4: you know, is he I mean heavily involved on the

552
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Speaker 4: special teams And I mean I still go back to

553
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: the Ernie Adams Matt Patricia thing that that Bill didn't

554
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Speaker 4: have last year. And I mean I think that going

555
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Speaker 4: back to the first conversation talk about you know, things

556
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Speaker 4: that all added up. I think that that's one too.

557
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Speaker 4: Maybe Joe Judge, you know, isn't on the sidelines during

558
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Speaker 4: the game day, and maybe he's upstairs like the eye

559
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: in the sky kind of thing.

560
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Speaker 5: That's if I were Bill Belichick, I get him away

561
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Speaker 5: from the team. Well, no team, just get him away

562
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Speaker 5: from number ten. Yeah.

563
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Jara has that a very question. He says, does

564
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Speaker 2: Bill have anyone to take on the Ernie Adams role

565
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: in the booth. It has to be helpful having someone

566
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: he trusts watching the clock, et cetera. When Bill is

567
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: talking to the defense, there's something else on the sidelines.

568
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: Now that Patricia's gone, does he have that support guy?

569
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Speaker 5: Well, I wonder who do you think did that last year?

570
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good quick because Patricia.

571
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Speaker 5: If Patricia was on the sideline for the most part.

572
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Speaker 2: Maybe he did that too.

573
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well any offensive line.

574
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Speaker 5: Right, can we put anything else on this guy?

575
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: Right? Exactly?

576
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and I just part of me now though,

577
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: realizes too that, like there's no replacing Ernie Adams. Like,

578
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: as much as we can say you got to just

579
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Speaker 4: put somebody in the Ernie Adams role, that doesn't necessarily

580
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 4: mean you're getting all the random minutia number crunching that

581
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Speaker 4: Ernie Adams. So even if you do have Joe Judge

582
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Speaker 4: up there, or or you know, if it was Patricia,

583
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: you know how much it's probably never really going to

584
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Speaker 4: be what it was with Ernie.

585
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Speaker 2: Ye all right? Eight five five PATS five hundred is

586
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Speaker 2: the A Sticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot Com

587
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: is the email address I guess we should just open

588
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: it up.

589
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Speaker 4: Huh, we can, Hey, training can it's our second and

590
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Speaker 4: last show of the off season.

591
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 5: Gave us our half hour, like you want to do.

592
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Speaker 2: I was gonna though, mentioned with not signing Hopkins and

593
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Speaker 2: now we're playing Nashville and joint practices, that's going to

594
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Speaker 2: be interesting. Oh yeah, you know what will that dynamic be?

595
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Speaker 4: You know, I mean hopefully he's on the sideline with

596
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: a hamstring injury.

597
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: Well, see, we do we play the South? We played

598
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Speaker 5: the South this year. No, no, no, so we don't

599
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 5: play tennis.

600
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 4: Just a joint joint press.

601
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter then if we were playing, if we

602
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 5: were playing the Titans, you can guarantee that he would

603
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Speaker 5: be on the sideline.

604
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Speaker 4: With It'll matter for those couple of days if he

605
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: like goes off and he's like torching Christian Gazalees sol Over.

606
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: I agree, But that's the only way I think it

607
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 5: will matter. Like if he's just out there, fine, If

608
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: he's really bad, I think that would be fine. If

609
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Speaker 5: he's really good, like Devonte Adams the way you described

610
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 5: him last year, that will not be good. That would

611
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Speaker 5: that would not be good around here. That's hard to

612
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: imagine that would that would elictit a fred You know,

613
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Speaker 5: I'm listening to Paul shows and I'm a little sick

614
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 5: and tired of the the DeAndre Hopkins love.

615
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah that he was just all over the place at

616
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Speaker 4: Titans Camp. I mean it's a I mean it's a

617
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: few short weeks away.

618
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's go to the ace ticket hutline eight

619
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Speaker 2: five five pass five hundred Matthews in New Mexico. What's up, Matthews?

620
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 8: But real quick, I think people are upset that Dron

621
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 8: Mayo didn't get like a defensive coordinator title.

622
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Speaker 9: But my questions are.

623
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Speaker 8: We see the Seahawks uh throwbacks? And did you guys

624
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Speaker 8: like the Great Pands? And is there any chance that

625
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 8: will see those nineties throwbacks?

626
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Okay, thanks the nineties throwbacks?

627
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Speaker 5: The Seahawks look good, the Seahawks. Did you happen to

628
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: catch the video? Yeah?

629
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Speaker 2: It was pretty good.

630
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Speaker 5: I thought the video was really solid retro, really solid. Yeah.

631
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 5: But the the nineties throwbacks, which Mike and I are

632
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: sort of combs down on, evidently there's a more of

633
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: a ground swell in support of those than I had

634
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: ever imagined.

635
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: This is the whole thing. You know, at the time

636
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: people thought they were horrid.

637
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Speaker 5: Well, the ninety three ones were horrid. I don't think

638
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: anybody he really despised it once they changed the numbers

639
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: from red to white.

640
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: But even then they they had the stripes. It was

641
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: like striped. Yeah, it's like, what is a soccer shirt kit?

642
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: It's a kid I'm telling you people, people are sood.

643
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: I agree, Fred, I didn't like I say the same

644
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: thing about pat Patriot At that time, nobody liked that

645
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: damn logo. I'm sorry, but now I don't.

646
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 5: I don't remember a lot of criticism of the logo.

647
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: I remember a lot of criticism of the team. I

648
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: do to a team that sucked.

649
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, No, the way it works with throwbacks is

650
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: you have to like tell the league like two years

651
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: in advance. So I do know that this year's throwback

652
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: will be this the red like just it would be

653
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: last year's throwback. No, I mean, I don't know what

654
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Speaker 2: games they're going to wear them, but they are going

655
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Speaker 2: to wear But they haven't changed their throat three times.

656
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: They haven't changed their throwback.

657
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Speaker 5: Yes, I think you're right. Similar to what you've seen.

658
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Speaker 4: In the I love those Seahawks ones. So those were

659
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: they did it nice. I mean, I've always I was

660
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: a Seahawks fan. That was my b team growing up.

661
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Speaker 2: That's the other thing, though, I don't understand like grown men,

662
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: how like they're so infatuated by uniforms.

663
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: Oh that like completely concur me, like Mike, this is

664
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 5: a win, good job, Seahawks. It's like what I didn't care.

665
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hear some of that. I mean

666
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: because I'm by like, I just like the team. And

667
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: that's when I like the teams when they wore those

668
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: uniforms and they're like the perfect like they're threading the

669
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: needle right now, is like the they're so bad, they're

670
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: good right now. And I don't think that the Patriots

671
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: nineties uniforms would thread that same needle, you know. I

672
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: think they'd be fun to just like, hey, weren't they

673
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: terrible to wear for like one game?

674
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: But I don't need them, like working in there's a

675
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: nostalgic element that I certainly fall into. Like the late

676
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 5: seventies early eighties, I like those uniforms better. I thought

677
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: they had more color and whatnot than what they wear today.

678
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 5: But I agree with Fred's larger point, and there were

679
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: people there's that guy on ESPN, that Paul Lucas guy

680
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 5: like there as that like study.

681
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: They find all the movement and it's amazing.

682
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: I was leaving that out, but I just don't understand

683
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 5: how anybody can be that passionate about you.

684
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Right, have a photo more of this and then.

685
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: Come on, Well, I don't know were you when you

686
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: played sports? Were you into what you wore and like,

687
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: because I mean, hockey equipment is a big thing, so

688
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: well you didn't like have the right tennis racket, like

689
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: because I always felt I didn't the right racket that was.

690
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 5: I will say we have home. In high school, we

691
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 5: had home and away you know, baseball uniforms like everybody else, right,

692
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: and the whites were the home whites I always thought

693
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: were kind of sharp, like they had a big red

694
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: e on the side with a small number and then

695
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 5: a big number on the back. The away shirts were

696
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 5: red and they said effort on the front with a

697
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: small number on the front. And my junior year, the

698
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: coach decided we're just gonna wear the reds all the time.

699
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: And I hated it, like I was like, no, no, no,

700
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 5: why why are we not like to Mike's point like, no,

701
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: I did. I didn't like it.

702
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: Can't performing this?

703
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 5: I didn't say that, I No I did. I went

704
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 5: up to him, I was like, why we're not wearing

705
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: the home uniforms ever? And he goes, no, I like

706
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: these better, And I'm like, but but whatever.

707
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: I didn't.

708
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: Are you democracy pal? All right? If you want to

709
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 5: do that?

710
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 10: Good?

711
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I come from hockey, which I mean

712
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: all the hockey nerds to listen to this. It's like,

713
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: what kind of laces do you do? What's the transition

714
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: from your skate to your shin pad? How are you

715
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: taping your shim pad? What kind of gloves you have?

716
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: How long are your gloves?

717
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: Do you have?

718
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: The shirt?

719
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: A little little tuck.

720
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Stirrups high low?

721
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: Well, I went through transitions with this when I When I.

722
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Was you're just like me, No like transitions.

723
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: It was more it was more of a good luck

724
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: thing than than anything. But I was very I was

725
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: very conscious high school, like sort of growing into high

726
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: school and a little after that high then they transitioned

727
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: to low and you wore like I used to wear

728
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: my pants up around my knees, you know, and then

729
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: that kind of went away, and everybody wore the pants

730
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: low with the with the smallest stirrups, and then the

731
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 5: stirrups kind of went away. You just wore a sock

732
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: and then they kind of came back up again. So

733
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: I kind of went full circle on the stirrups. But

734
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: I had to have a specific shirt underneath that they

735
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: had to pitch. They never wore the same shirt the

736
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: day I pitched as I did the other days.

737
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Speaker 4: Step on the lines, that's that's just stupid.

738
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: That's more.

739
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: This is more.

740
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 5: We're getting always always ran out to the mound and

741
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: walked off that always, never ever buried from that.

742
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: You can never run off the mound. That would be

743
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: a good book.

744
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: No, it looks like you're pouting off the field and

745
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 5: run right into the dugouts. Believe me, there were times

746
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 5: I wanted to, but no, there was There was one

747
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: time that I threw my glove from the third baseline

748
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 5: into the dugound, which I regretted.

749
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Speaker 4: I feel like tennis reckets was a huge thing, like have.

750
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: But let's transition a little. I mean, but they're kind

751
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: of related. It's like the look, it's the you know,

752
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: how do you feel do.

753
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 5: You remember back in the day with football Fred you

754
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: had like the girdle pads. Sure, okay, so they were

755
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 5: like the foam at the top. Yeah, but I definitely

756
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 5: went through a phase where I tucked my shirt in

757
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: inside the Oh yeah, you have the pad had like

758
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 5: the top of the pads. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. See.

759
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 5: I was always jealous of the kids.

760
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: Who were like, would wear no shirt underneath them, would

761
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 4: just have their you know, six pack, because.

762
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 5: I didn't want Paul couldn't do that. I couldn't. I

763
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: couldn't do that either.

764
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: I was always jealous of those guys. How nice it

765
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Speaker 4: must be, just you know, the.

766
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: Pad on I was always I was always what you

767
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 5: would say, not tight.

768
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Speaker 2: All right, Uh, let's see who's up next. Jason's in Connecticut.

769
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: What's up Jason?

770
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 8: Hi, gentlemen.

771
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 11: Uh, first time, long time.

772
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

773
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 11: So I have a quick story and then a question.

774
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 11: But the first thing that I want.

775
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 8: To say is that, Paul, you.

776
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 11: Were my absolute favorite sports personality in the entire market. Wow,

777
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 11: I listen for you andhan when I.

778
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, that was very nice.

779
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: Thank you. Jason. I'm like taking aback.

780
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 11: Well, you've earned it. I mean, I can't be the

781
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 11: only person in the market that thinks.

782
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: So you know, I think you might be.

783
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the one.

784
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean certainly the only one not related to me.

785
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 11: So quick story. My son just finished first grade. Matt

786
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 11: you're going to want to have the cool story. Drop ready,

787
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 11: proply I just finished first grade. And you're all fathers,

788
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 11: so you know that when ah, when a boy is

789
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 11: that young, then you know what they're talking about maybe

790
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 11: fifty percent of the time and the other half of

791
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 11: the times like whatever. Kid, So he comes home and

792
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 11: he's like, Dad, like, there was somebody from the Patriots

793
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 11: at my school. And I'm like, well, that's that'd be

794
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 11: awfully strange, Like how do you know that? And he's like, oh,

795
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 11: he was wearing a Patriots shirt. And I'm like, well, buddy,

796
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 11: anybody could wear a Patriots shirt. You don't have to

797
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 11: be on the Patriots. And so I did a pretty

798
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 11: good job of convincing him that he was wrong. And

799
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 11: I opened up his backpack and in his backpack is

800
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 11: a book and it's by Malcolm Mitchell, and like moly,

801
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 11: like they had an author visit today and that author

802
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 11: was author was Malcolm Mitchell, and this kid sure told me,

803
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 11: and I was absolutely wrong, So I thought that was

804
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 11: pretty cool.

805
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Malcolm Mitchell, solid guy. Mike and I got a

806
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 5: chance to do a long viewing of Super Bowl whatever.

807
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 5: The one that we came back from twenty eight to

808
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 5: three is fifty one. Yeah, he's a really good guy,

809
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 5: Malcolm Mitchell.

810
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: Too bad about his injury. Yeah, what's your question?

811
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 11: Exacinitely what I was going to ask that relates directly

812
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 11: to my question, which is, if he didn't get injured,

813
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 11: do you think he would have really had a career

814
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 11: do you think.

815
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, would have been a solid I think a solid,

816
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 5: complimentary receiver.

817
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: Leonard Myers, Yeah, type of player do you think.

818
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 12: Might have the narrative Leonard Morris, Brandon LaFell like that

819
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 12: kind of you know, just another you know, like I

820
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 12: would never say you would never have been probably the

821
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 12: number one unless you didn't have a good offense.

822
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: But I think he always would have been a contribute

823
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: David Gibbons's just like a contributing kind of receiver.

824
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: How many times Brady went to him in that game,

825
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: you know, like end of his whole gaear was starting

826
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 4: to come on, like.

827
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Speaker 5: He was he was he was a good player. Yeah,

828
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: he was good, not great, but good.

829
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Speaker 2: Thanks Jason.

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00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 5: I think he would have been Julian Phoenix.

831
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: From Saugus right sin. I was listening to The Kirk

832
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Speaker 2: Minihan Show in the Wednesday seven, nineteen episode. At about

833
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: the hour and eight minute mark, they were talking about

834
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: the Belichick hot seat. Kurt said that Paul is one

835
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: of the top five media nice guys, and his guest said,

836
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: Paul is an excellent writer. Whatever anyone thinks of Kirk.

837
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: I had a super proud parent moment. As I've been

838
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: listening to you guys since I got my first iPod

839
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: in eight I found you searching Patriots on the podcast app.

840
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: As always, your content is appreciated, keeping the fantastic work.

841
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's exactly what the caller was saying.

842
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: And this was brought to my attention yesterday by a

843
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: buddy of mine. And like I do, like Kirk, and

844
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 5: you know, we did get along reasonably well. I don't

845
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 5: pretend to have known him exceptionally well, we did some

846
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 5: shows together and whatnot. But I took that as a

847
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 5: big compliment coming from him, because I know he tend

848
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: to everybody. Yeah, he tends to be critical of everyone

849
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: and everything, so I know they were, you know, Matt,

850
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 5: because Matt Morrell is a mini fan, so I knew

851
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: that he would be sort of up to speed on this,

852
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: and he played me the clip, and as I thought

853
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 5: when I heard my friend sent me this, you know,

854
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 5: Kirk Manahan just said that you were one of his

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00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: top five nice guys in the business. And I said

856
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 5: that had to have emanated from them making fun of

857
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: me for something, and it's true. They were. They were

858
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 5: kind of talking about the fact that I e. I

859
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: was so far scraping the bottom of the battle that

860
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: they had to get down to Perillo to get They

861
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: were quoting Perillo about something. I was like, that's a

862
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 5: bit of a shot. But then Kirk kind of rallied

863
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: to my defense, and then they were just talking about

864
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 5: how hard it is, like what Fred was talking about.

865
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 5: We need to do the best we can to be

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Speaker 5: as objective as we can to get that kind of legitimacy.

867
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Speaker 5: And you know, like Kirk said, you know, I'm sure

868
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 5: that if Paul finds out that they're firing Bill Belichick,

869
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 5: he can't report that, which is that's correct, Probably true,

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 5: that's correct, Probably true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great writer, though that would that's the one that

872
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: would have stuck with me. I'm like, anytime you get

873
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: a writing compliment and the.

874
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: Guy, the guy who was moving fun anymore, I mean,

875
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 5: the guy who was making fun of me said that, Yeah,

876
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: so he's a great writer.

877
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: Who was the other guy?

878
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

879
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: Matt doesn't even read, so take that as a ca him.

880
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 5: His name is Montante.

881
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: He's Jerry Callan's producer.

882
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 13: That's his name, Montante.

883
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: Like share just goes by Mikett.

884
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Let's go to haven't heard that's a big day for me, Paul.

885
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 5: You get a lot of flower Store, aren't you here? Deservedly?

886
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 5: So I know something's coming in the second half of

887
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 5: this show.

888
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: Melvin's in Tennessee. Haven't heard from you in a while, Melvin?

889
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: What's up, sweet kid?

890
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 10: I was going on, Hey, I was just going to

891
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 10: talk about, like, of course, the state of the team

892
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 10: real you all talked about a lot on Tuesday, but

893
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 10: like a team that constructed to be a really good defense,

894
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 10: even if we're going to make some projections there, but

895
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 10: let's say the Patriots aretist really great defense or whatever,

896
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 10: how far did those teams actually normally go? You know what,

897
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 10: I'm saying, like, so a team that's really good on defense,

898
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 10: is that a couple of things has been able to

899
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 10: do it absolutely Denver, I think Seattle maybe made a

900
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 10: super Bowl world without allowing the team to score really

901
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 10: over twenty. They have to go all the way back

902
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 10: to maybe possible. So the point is like, even if

903
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 10: they are really good on defense, if you it's gonna

904
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 10: they win ten something games, they go to the playoffs,

905
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 10: you might be able to scrape a win down, kind

906
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 10: of like San Francisco and Dallas had that kind of

907
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 10: rock fight kind of game and then it comes to

908
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 10: that shootout and normally that team that's defensively structured can't

909
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 10: keep up. So that's kind of like the safe super

910
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 10: Bowl for any team that's constructed like that. It's kind

911
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 10: of hard for me to do opt the type of

912
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 10: teams normally, if they can make the playoffs, they normally

913
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 10: win a game and then they make that exit. So

914
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 10: we all know our record when other teams score over

915
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 10: twenty something points or whatever.

916
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 14: It is like that.

917
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 10: So as great as a defense is, that's great. I'm

918
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 10: not saying it doesn't matter, but I mean what you

919
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 10: do here you can score, you have.

920
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: To have a competent offense, and certainly you're gonna be

921
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 5: able to be competitive and win some games because your

922
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: defense is that good. If it is that good, but

923
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 5: the tea if you have no offense, then what happened

924
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 5: to San Francisco when the NFC championship is going to

925
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: happen to you? They had no I mean no, I'm

926
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: not blaming them. They were down in the fourth quarterback

927
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: you know, a few teams could overcome at.

928
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 10: Yep, right, And I'm just using them for an example

929
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 10: that was even yeah, we're using we're using them, But

930
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 10: they got a hell of good peoples on offense too.

931
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 10: It would have been a different game had that been

932
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 10: a scored. But I mean that it's just it's just

933
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 10: really tough to do. It's nothing, nothing hard. The way

934
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 10: they're constructed in the NFL today is just really hard

935
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 10: to really make a serious push and championship with teams

936
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 10: that's heavily structured on defense. And not to speak that

937
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 10: you are third or fourth probably your own division. So

938
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 10: just fight fight offense with a good offense. I hate

939
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 10: fighting offense with a good defense. It'll it'll do a

940
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 10: little bit for some part, But like I said, it

941
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 10: just cuts up to you. So unless they brew me wrong,

942
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 10: we'll see what they can do. But I can't get

943
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 10: too very excited about a deep playoffs.

944
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think to say goes you know,

945
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: a good a good offense is a good defense. But

946
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: I don't think it goes the other way. A good

947
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: defense is a good offense.

948
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, Patriotstine. It used to be that way. Yeah,

949
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: like football forever was. You know, good defense will be

950
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 5: good offense, and good defense will help as sagging offense travels, right,

951
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 5: you know all those things. I just think it's gotten

952
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: so lopsided in terms of what wins in the game

953
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: over the last ten to fifteen years that it's hard

954
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 5: to imagine that happening very often. It can happen. There

955
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 5: will be a game this year that they're going to play,

956
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 5: could happen. Let's just say the opener Philadelphia, where the

957
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: defense is going to hold them to like, you know,

958
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: twenty points, nineteen point and everybody's like, see, you know what.

959
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: I don't think they'll be able to do that eleven

960
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: times when they because I think they play like eleven

961
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 5: reasonably productive quarterbacks. I don't think they'll be able to

962
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 5: do that you know, more than twice against those teams,

963
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 5: so they need to score.

964
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: Offense is a better predictor of your Super Bowl chances. Like,

965
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how I'm not putting a lot of

966
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: thought into these numbers, but I would say, you know,

967
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 4: generally speaking, it's like I would probably say there's ten

968
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: to twelve championship defenses, but maybe only five or six

969
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: championship offenses. You know, like there's definitely some really good

970
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: defenses out there, but they just don't have the firepower

971
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 4: to you know, when the Kansas City AFC Championship happens

972
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: to be able to keep up, they would never would

973
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: have gotten through that game much less. You know, then

974
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: you get to the Super Bowl against the Rams and

975
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: you had a chance to, you know, defensively shut them down.

976
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: But it's just so much of it is a situational

977
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: who are you playing, who's available that week? Here's one

978
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: play at the end of the game. Does your guy

979
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: make it or not? It's not really is your defense

980
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: great or not, It's just whether or not one guy

981
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: makes a play. And that's usually what it comes down to.

982
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: Well, EM's a fellam, what's up? Wellum, how you doing

983
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: all right?

984
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 10: Good.

985
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 8: All right, I'm sorry, I think the area is kind

986
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 8: of big. Yeah, okay, question is man, I just I

987
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 8: think I didn't talk about this. I mean, even though

988
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 8: y'all did talk about DeAndre Hopkins, doesn't y'all didn't say

989
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 8: just that just the second time that they passed out

990
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 8: opportunity of getting him. Yeah, I mean the first time

991
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 8: was when you could have got either him or Stefan Digg.

992
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: But then this time they didn't get him, you know,

993
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 8: this time and now he's what thirty four, he'll be

994
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 8: thirty one, but he can start. So so I mean

995
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 8: just going with what we got. It is what it is.

996
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 8: But my second part is like I was a little hardst.

997
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 10: Going last time.

998
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 8: I called it because I was just upset every time

999
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 8: the bill do free just eve in the draft or whatever.

1000
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 8: I just I just get frustrated, you know. It's just

1001
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 8: I mean, no harm chords it though, But I just want.

1002
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 14: To say that.

1003
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 8: If if he has a bad season of them, if

1004
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 8: we're eight, nine, three and fifteen or even or nine whatever,

1005
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 8: remove him a game, let's keep him as the coach.

1006
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not happening. He's either all in or

1007
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: he's out. I actually Okay, I mean, yeah, you're breaking

1008
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: up a little, William, Sorry about that.

1009
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 5: I actually think, you know, another element of this with

1010
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 5: the Belichick hot seat that you opened with Freddie has

1011
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 5: been you know, will it end badly? And I do

1012
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 5: think that more than likely behind the scenes, there won't

1013
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 5: be any you know, love lost, but I can see

1014
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: a scenario where that's how it ends. Like, I do

1015
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 5: think that Robert Kraft is cognizant of how great Belichick

1016
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: has been and what he's done for the organization, and

1017
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: I think he has tremendous respect for his accomplishments. So

1018
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: he's probably not just gonna want to say, well, you know,

1019
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 5: you didn't win, so you're fired. I think it'll be

1020
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 5: something like that, Well, what if we what if we

1021
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: took away your final say, what if we hired you know,

1022
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 5: what if we made Elliott Wolfe the full or Matt

1023
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 5: grow the full time general mano? What if we hired

1024
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: some personnel chief to come in and oversee everything and

1025
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 5: you just coach. I'm a fred I don't think it'll work,

1026
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: but I think that might be, yeah, Robert starting point.

1027
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: Robert might know that right right, it's not going to

1028
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: work with the end game is going to be. You

1029
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: start making working conditions a little bit more difficult, and

1030
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: that maybe greases the skids. I think that could happen

1031
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 5: something like that. I don't mean right now, I just

1032
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: mean that that could be how it ends.

1033
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, I think directly related

1034
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: to that. It's just, you know how I mean, I'd

1035
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 4: say it till I'm blue in the face of the

1036
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 4: you know, needing the young guys to develop this year,

1037
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: and if that doesn't continue to happen, you know, it's

1038
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 4: just it's more of an indictment of you know, look,

1039
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: Casario left, you brought in, you know, Mac grow, you

1040
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 4: have a whole new kind of personnel department. We're giving

1041
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: these guys a chance. We're giving their players that they

1042
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: selected a couple of years to develop, and you know,

1043
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: if it doesn't happen, then you know, where where do

1044
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: the changes go?

1045
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: So of all the things we've talked about so far,

1046
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: what do you think is elicited the most emails?

1047
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 5: Me and Kirk Minihan, Oh, uniforms?

1048
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: What else? I'll get to them later.

1049
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: I was joking.

1050
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: Darryln Virginia writes in I'd like to preface my email

1051
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: by saying I love Bill Belichick, but he has me

1052
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: on the ropes. My question is, are fans overlooking how

1053
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: difficult it is to be a head coach in the NFL.

1054
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: It has to be hard to build a stable system,

1055
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: develop the team, and flip the roster and coaching staff

1056
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: when things go wrong. Lastly, what's the threshold unquestionable decisions?

1057
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: The compilation of our personal decisions over the last five

1058
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: or six years outside of Duggar and Gonzo don't give

1059
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: me a warm and fuzzy when it comes to doing

1060
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: what's in the best interest of the team. So I

1061
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: guess he's saying, I don't know, audience undecided whether or

1062
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 2: not he wants to keep build.

1063
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 4: It seems like he's doing what everybody's doing and kind

1064
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: of weighing all the different.

1065
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 5: Yea and the whole thing, you know, ending badly. I

1066
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 5: just wanted to sort of put a bow on that, like,

1067
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 5: I think that when it does end, let's say that

1068
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 5: it ends before he breaks the record. I think once

1069
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 5: he breaks the record, I think we can all sit

1070
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: there and say, like, Okay, well what the time, you know,

1071
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: But if it ends before he breaks the record, my

1072
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: guess is it's gonna be Bill will resign. It's not

1073
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 5: going to be a firing.

1074
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: No.

1075
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 5: Now, it may be a quote unquote resignation that you

1076
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 5: read between the lines on you know, but I don't

1077
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 5: think it's going to be a public firing. I just

1078
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 5: don't see it again unless it just completely bottoms up.

1079
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see how the fans kind of

1080
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: evolve on it, because so much Eyre is kind of

1081
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: directed towards him right now, and you know, and there

1082
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: were certainly a segment of the fan base that was

1083
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: upset when Brady left too, But you know, now that

1084
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: Brady's retired, it seems like the love festus back on

1085
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: with New England, and I just I wonder what it

1086
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: will be like with Bill and that, you know, like

1087
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 4: after whenever he does leave, when he does come back

1088
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: and all the you know, awards and Hall of Fame

1089
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: inductions and all that stuff starts to happen.

1090
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: The fan you know, are the fans right back on.

1091
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: He ours he's the greatest coach of all time, and

1092
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: it just like they are with Brady or I don't know,

1093
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: I just always sense a level of resentment towards him

1094
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 4: that just never really existed with Tom Brady.

1095
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 5: There are still people. It's a smaller group, it's a

1096
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 5: much smaller group, but there are still people. I had

1097
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 5: some of my my timeline, by the way, who knew that,

1098
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 5: like you know, like things like not signing DeAndre Hopkins

1099
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 5: could elicit the amount of it was My Twitter feed

1100
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 5: was on Faia as they say, you know, over the

1101
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 5: last couple of days. And there's still that element of

1102
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: people like Bill created Tom, Bill carried Tom like it's

1103
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: not or Les. It's not as big as it was.

1104
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 5: And again Fred and I will tell you we were

1105
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 5: in that camp. Both of us were in that camp

1106
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 5: while it was going on. But I think we've kind

1107
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 5: of softened that stance, you know, over the last five years.

1108
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think Bill helped Tom. There's no doubt here.

1109
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Tom said.

1110
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: Helping him is not carrying creating him.

1111
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: Dennis and East Boston wants to talk about Bill. I

1112
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: understand choices don't always work out exactly his planned as

1113
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: they're done by humans and as much info as they

1114
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: have at the time. If Bill knew the outcome of

1115
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: fourth and two, do you think he would have had

1116
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: the offense run the same play go ahead with the

1117
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: snark jab Paul, it's very annoying.

1118
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: If it didn't work, why would you do the same thing.

1119
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: It's very annoying as a listener to sit here and

1120
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: constantly here second guessing of Belichick because the team is

1121
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: five hundred since Brady spoiled spoil listeners. We know Brady

1122
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: is unlike any other professional athlete, and it's not even

1123
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: close in my opinion. But to think Belichick doesn't know

1124
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: what he's doing anymore because decisions he makes don't always

1125
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: turn out the way we want, or that Paul and

1126
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: Evan think they actually know a better way to draft

1127
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: or play call is laughable.

1128
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 5: I told you the second half of the show would

1129
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 5: be back.

1130
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: Get ready for Paul to say I never said I

1131
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: know more than Bill, of course not, and get ready

1132
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: for him after that predicted line to double con Yeah,

1133
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: because I never said that Bill has so much more

1134
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: information and data on every decision he makes than the

1135
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: rest of us combined times a ten thousand. Just because

1136
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: in hindsight decisions don't work out doesn't mean you or

1137
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: I know better. Bill spends hours and hours per day

1138
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: working on his team. He knows what he's going what's

1139
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: going on, He knows the feel of the game. He

1140
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: knows what conversations actually happened between people him and Brady.

1141
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: Despite what Tom Curran and Ben Leer Vohlan report, I

1142
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: didn't say, liar, he did. I love Brady and without him,

1143
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: the unimaginable level of success wasn't possible. But people need

1144
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: to wake up and realize how lucky they are that

1145
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick has been the head coach and architect of

1146
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: their favorite team, and how different it would have been

1147
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: to be a fan of the of anyone else since

1148
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 2: oh one. I would be extremely disappointed as a die

1149
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: hard fan. And Bill doesn't get to leave when he chooses.

1150
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 5: I think that's the way it will end. I think

1151
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 5: Bill will get to college shot. I agree with Fred

1152
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 5: on that. I agree with the email what was the

1153
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 5: email's name.

1154
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: On that I missed Dennis from Boston?

1155
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would. I think Belichick's accomplishments are just absolutely unimaginable.

1156
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 5: To use Dennis's word, I just I'm not a big

1157
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: fan of the majority of that paragraph where it was

1158
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: like how much more information? All right? So you want

1159
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 5: us all out of jobs? I get it. No one

1160
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: likes the media, I get it, But like our job

1161
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 5: is to sort of talk about and analyze what's going on.

1162
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 5: No one pretends to have all the information. You know,

1163
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 5: who's a terrible NFL coach? Just give me a guy

1164
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 5: that you think was a really bad NFL coach off

1165
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 5: the top of your heads. Pick anybody. Okay, Do you

1166
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 5: think Eric Mangini didn't spend hours and hours and hours

1167
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 5: going over all these details got him?

1168
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: That's the job.

1169
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 5: Do you think he didn't have conversations where he had Yeah,

1170
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 5: they all do. They all put in countless hours. You know,

1171
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 5: it's a very abnormal job. It's a healthy.

1172
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes the worse they are, the more hours they put in.

1173
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 5: Like I would never sit there and say, well, Belichick

1174
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 5: doesn't know what he's doing because he doesn't put the

1175
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 5: work in. No one would say that. And it's not

1176
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: second guessing all the time. We're not second guessing putting

1177
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 5: Matt Patricia as your offensive coordinator. No one's second guessed that.

1178
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: People first guessed it when it happened. Everybody said what

1179
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 5: are we doing?

1180
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: Right?

1181
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 5: Except me except for Fred? But I think you would

1182
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 5: sort of yeah, playing the playing good cop I.

1183
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: Was wrong, No, playing good cops. I actually thought I

1184
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: don't want to go over it. I thought it could work.

1185
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 5: But anyway, I mean, obviously it could work. And I

1186
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 5: don't ever think for a second that Belichick did it

1187
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: because he knew it wasn't going to work. I think

1188
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 5: he thought about it, and he's he's a human being,

1189
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: Like I don't kill him for that. I think it

1190
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 5: was a bad choice, that's all.

1191
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: If he had stuck with it, it had been even worse,

1192
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, which I think he may have wanted to

1193
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: be from Brooklyn. He also says Bill getting too much hate.

1194
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: He says, despite everyone being frustrated and upset, I'm pretty

1195
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: satisfied with this offseason, especially if we land for net.

1196
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: If you told me three quarters of the way through

1197
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: last season that we were going to have an actual

1198
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: OC and Bill O'Brien signed Juju, Gasiki and Fornette and

1199
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: draft Gonzales, I'd be very happy. I mean, we're in

1200
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: a run first offense that improved their pass catchers a bit,

1201
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: will hopefully add another very solid veteran run back running back.

1202
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: I feel like people get too attached to the big names.

1203
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 5: I think people are putting too much into replacing guys

1204
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 5: who left as being a massive upgrade.

1205
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: I hope and I hope we're not a run first

1206
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: offense because unless you've got your guy from Tennessee, it's

1207
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: hard to be a run first offense in this league.

1208
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the only one that I'm

1209
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: convinced is a significant upgrade is Gasiki Ova Jonah Smith,

1210
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 5: Like I think Juju can be better than Jacoby Myers,

1211
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 5: and I think Fournette can be better than Damien Harrick.

1212
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

1213
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 5: Can be can be, but they're very similar. Like if

1214
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 5: I was more high, I don't understand why, Like I

1215
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 5: would look and say if you had told me I

1216
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: was going to add Kasiki, Juju and four net, but

1217
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 5: did you also tell me I was going to lose

1218
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 5: Myers and Smith and Harris, Like did you tell me

1219
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 5: both of those things? Are just one of those things.

1220
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 4: It's probably superficial but marginal improvement for me. With Juju,

1221
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 4: I was, I was pretty high on him when they

1222
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: signed him. But I mean, it's Jacoby Myers availability of

1223
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 4: always being there, just the fact that he wasn't here

1224
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: this spring. It's just it's kind of put a bad

1225
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: initial taste in my mouth about it.

1226
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 5: The guy tweeted me yesterday and said, Jacoby Myers will

1227
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: catch the ball, either fall down or go down as

1228
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 5: soon as he catches it, while Juju will run after

1229
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 5: the catch. Let that marinate.

1230
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: Aupit oh, I love to let that marinate.

1231
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 5: Let that sink in. So let the fact that they

1232
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 5: both average twelve yards to catch marinate a little bit. Yeah,

1233
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 5: well exactly twelve yards twelve point zero yards per catch.

1234
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: I don't know how it's all going to translate, but

1235
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: I just, I mean, you go off of your first

1236
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 4: impressions and we haven't even seen him yet, so I

1237
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 4: just I hope, I know he said he's ready to go,

1238
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 4: But I'm with you right now. It's a it's a

1239
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: show me for Juju. I got to get out there

1240
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: and see him thine and we'll just consistency, Like I'll.

1241
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 5: Bring up another thing from the podcast for you, Mike'll

1242
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 5: lecturings and things. Yeah, I'll let you. Let you weigh in,

1243
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 5: because who do you think will be the and I'm

1244
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 5: not talking about like maybe statistically, but who do you

1245
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 5: think will be the quote unquote number one receiver?

1246
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 4: He's Juju?

1247
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 5: I do too, I do too. I like I think

1248
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: it'll be Jujus misuss Andy thought it would be.

1249
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: Born born and that's that's I mean, that's an interesting

1250
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: picky as a kind of unexpected one. I mean, I

1251
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: I think it has to be Juju. I just don't

1252
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 4: know how it could be anyone else.

1253
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't think that what we've seen is that's what

1254
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 5: Mac likes the most.

1255
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

1256
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: Like he went to Jacoby Myers more than the other guys.

1257
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't just because of Jacoby Myers. I think he's

1258
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 5: more comfortable making those throws.

1259
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's Sicky get the volume, but

1260
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: I think he'll be he'll be an issue for defenses

1261
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 4: if I think Bill.

1262
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: O'Brien will use him right. And as we amended it to,

1263
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 5: like maybe a guy that ten weeks into the season,

1264
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: we're saying, Wow, you know Mac and Blank really developed

1265
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 5: a great rapport and playmaking ability that we're going to

1266
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 5: be talking about ten weeks into the season that we're

1267
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 5: not talking about now.

1268
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Gas.

1269
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 5: Sicky was my pick for that, and in many way

1270
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 5: it just has to be, you know, every difficulty better

1271
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 5: on paper than John hu Smith. That one. I mean,

1272
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: that's the one that.

1273
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: On the practice field too, And that's one like you know,

1274
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: in the first spring, like not the first spring when everybody,

1275
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: when everybody was gaga over John H. Smith still just

1276
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 4: always thought he looks never ever happened on the ever.

1277
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: He just always looked cunky, and they would they would

1278
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: feed him that little underneath crosser and he's running off

1279
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: the sidelines.

1280
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: And that looks in true.

1281
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: Remember the preseason game when he caught the shallow cross

1282
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 5: we got like thirty yards.

1283
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody was going crazy.

1284
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 5: It was crazy, but.

1285
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: It finally got an athletic but in.

1286
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 5: The game, but in the games it never materialized. Always

1287
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 5: looked clunky and just right from that, what was the

1288
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 5: same game, Like the third game of the year when

1289
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 5: he had the ball go off his hands and picked

1290
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 5: off the touchdown.

1291
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 4: There were so many of those two just bad plays,

1292
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 4: bad bad caddy ad caddy.

1293
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see go back to the ace ticket utline smoking.

1294
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: Sam is in Montana. What's up, Sam? Hey?

1295
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

1296
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, all the way from Montana, I can hear you.

1297
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 9: I had a question. So we were talking about hanging

1298
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 9: our head on defense maybe this year, and I heard

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Speaker 9: a lot of so much hype about Christianansalis, but I

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Speaker 9: haven't been clear on what we expect of him, so like,

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Speaker 9: in reality, he was the third cornerback taken in the

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Speaker 9: second half of the draft. Are we expecting like Sauce

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Speaker 9: Gardner from him or more of like Derek Stingely in

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Speaker 9: his first year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about camp I mean, I

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Speaker 4: just look. My thing is, I think he's athletic enough

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Speaker 4: to play right away. I think he's still twenty one,

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Speaker 4: He's you know, he just he looks young. He seems

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Speaker 4: a little young to me. I'm prepared that he's gonna

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Speaker 4: have some growing pains, like it's it's I think you

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Speaker 4: should play a lot right out of the gate. But

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Speaker 4: I don't think that he's.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's fast, He's he seems, you know, really

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Speaker 2: outside length.

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Speaker 5: He's a little bit more like Tarik Wooland I think,

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Speaker 5: but you know, in terms of you know, the size, speed,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that means he's gonna have that

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Speaker 5: kind of a year. Like I don't necessarily worry. Well,

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Speaker 5: he's the third corner in the second half of the draft.

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Speaker 5: Wooln was like a fourth round pick, so he I

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Speaker 5: mean a lot of people think that he was every

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Speaker 5: bit as good, if not better than Sauce. Yeah, but

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Speaker 5: I would just be happy. He doesn't need to get

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Speaker 5: to that level. Those Both of those guys had great

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Speaker 5: rookie years, but there have been a lot of good

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Speaker 5: rookie year like Patrick Chutan was good right away. Jac

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Speaker 5: Horn got hurt, then he played pretty well right away,

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Speaker 5: like there have been some good young corners coming into

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Speaker 5: I have a theory as to why what do we

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Speaker 5: keep saying about the wide receivers, How they're so much

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Speaker 5: better when they come right into the league. And it's

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Speaker 5: the sort of advent of those spread offenses in the

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Speaker 5: college game in the seven on sevenths Well, who plays

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Speaker 2: They're going better.

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Speaker 5: So they're getting better too, and maybe they're a little

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Speaker 5: bit more ready when they get to the league, you know.

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Speaker 5: And there's probably not enough of a sample size to

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Speaker 5: make that determination. But I think Gonzales will be starting

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Speaker 5: right away, and he should be competitive right away. I

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Speaker 5: don't need him to go out and shut everybody down.

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Speaker 5: That's unrealistic and that's not their defense.

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Speaker 2: I think. I think if he's going to be good,

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Speaker 2: like I don't say in year one, he's going to

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Speaker 2: reach his potential. But I think you'll see it. I'll

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Speaker 2: think you'll see signs of it right away, Like okay, yeah,

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Speaker 9: Would agree with that. I just there seems to be

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Speaker 5: Well he's he's gonna get I think he'll be in

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Speaker 5: that mix. He should play a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think too when people talk about gonzales Is,

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Speaker 4: that they play man defense on every single snap, and

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1358
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Speaker 4: mix with zone and man match and all that new

1359
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Speaker 4: stuff that they do that you know, it's it's not

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Speaker 4: going to be him following a guy around. And I

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Speaker 4: just I think even just inserted into zone defenses, his

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Speaker 4: athleticism and his size is an asset that they need

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Speaker 4: and that's why I think he'll be He'll be in position,

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Speaker 4: but I'm kind of expecting a quiet rookiear like he's

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Speaker 4: out there, he's probably gonna get burned a couple of times,

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Speaker 4: going to make a couple of plays, Like there'll be

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Speaker 4: a couple that go that way and I'm sure he'll,

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Speaker 4: you know, with his athleticism, he'll break off and make

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Speaker 4: a couple of interceptions. But you know, I'm just expecting.

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Speaker 4: Like he looks athletic, he fits a role.

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Speaker 5: Is he a shutdown court?

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Speaker 4: like I said before, they've done such a great job

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Speaker 4: That now you have a cornerback with some real pedigree.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I'm interested to see how it goes.

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Speaker 5: You never get into What is that hideous shirt you're wearing? It,

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Speaker 5: That's not green. It is green, and it's mustard all

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Speaker 24: Um.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're talking about a lot of things, a

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Speaker 4: Uniforms.

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Speaker 2: All right, uniforms. We'll get to that. The phone lines

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Speaker 2: are still stacked up. We'll go to Eldred in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: What's up Eldred?

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Speaker 23: All right, I'm doing pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Question.

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Speaker 23: How do you feel aboutland? So I didn't get a

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Speaker 23: chance to de fill up it with Evans because he's

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Speaker 23: just a number two or number three.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's always hurt that one here, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 5: he's always injured. I I like the talent, but you

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Speaker 5: never really uh, I can't seem to stay on the field.

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Speaker 23: See he dexport reception last year two or six yards

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Speaker 23: and three touchdown, but he was out with a couple

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Speaker 23: of games. But he's going out the whole season, and

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Speaker 23: that would erradic play with Wilson, you know, Like I say,

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Speaker 23: he's better to Parker to me because he's younger, you know.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I think I think he'd be a better option

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Speaker 5: than Parker too. But he's had a hard time staying

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Speaker 5: on the field, and that's that's been the knock on him.

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Speaker 5: I like him, I liked I like Colton's I like

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Speaker 5: the Broncos receivers. And again, I'm not sure why everybody

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Speaker 5: thinks Sean Payton doesn't and they just want to give

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Speaker 5: him all the way like that. Everybody thought Judy would

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Speaker 5: just be given away, and now it's Sudden.

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Speaker 23: No, not Jews, no, suff Sudden was just mad about

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Speaker 23: his contract and everything else.

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Speaker 14: He just grunt him, just like.

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Speaker 23: You get ready to cut me him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Mims and Sutton are not similar in any

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Speaker 5: way other than they both wide receivers. Like Mims never

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Speaker 5: did anything.

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Speaker 2: I will say, Yo, you bring in you bring in

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton, So obviously you've got that honeymoon period. If

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Speaker 2: you do have that disgruntled guy, he'd be less apt

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Speaker 2: to worry about, oh, this is going to hurt my

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Speaker 2: team by getting him out of here on the field

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Speaker 2: because he's more worried about getting everything right.

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Speaker 5: There have been a lot of talks lately about being available.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks.

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Speaker 5: I would take him, but I mean, what are you

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Speaker 5: going to give up for him?

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Speaker 4: Well, I just think like the position weren't if I

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Speaker 4: was in Sean Payton's position, I wouldn't be getting rid

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Speaker 4: of anybody at receiver like and I have all the

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Speaker 4: young guys.

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Speaker 2: Unless the guy is ruining my locker room.

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Speaker 5: Right, But I'm a new coach.

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Speaker 4: I can maybe sweet talk him a little bit and

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Speaker 4: say things are going to be different, like if I

1652
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Speaker 4: have you know, I mean, Patriots fans are craving any

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Speaker 4: of these, you know, Broncos receivers like but if I like,

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Speaker 4: what I've learned from watching the Patriots, what they've gone

1655
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Speaker 4: through is that if you have a young, talented wide

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Speaker 4: receiver who can produce in this league that like you,

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Speaker 4: you can't just ship them off for like a six

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Speaker 4: round pick because they don't they don't like their contract,

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Speaker 4: Like I just I think the ship has sailed for

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Speaker 4: giving up anything significant at this point.

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Speaker 5: Well and then okay, so even if you if you,

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Speaker 5: let's say you get them. So he's disgruntled with his

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Speaker 5: contract in Denver, so and Denver has to get rid

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Speaker 5: of him because he's disgruntled. He's going to get gruntled

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Speaker 5: in this contract.

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Speaker 2: He wants money if he's.

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Speaker 5: But but you're not going to give it to him, right,

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Speaker 5: if you were going to give it to him, you

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Speaker 5: would have just given it to the Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, Lars is in Camp Pendleton. What's up, Lars?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. What's going on? You wonder attack.

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Speaker 5: A Marine Corps phone?

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Speaker 4: Some one of those military phones is like a big bra.

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Speaker 5: Oh there you go. That was good.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, apologies to that. I just I just like stepped

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Speaker 14: into some wind. But anybody luxury sure. I just want

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Speaker 14: to say Fred, first, I was on that Christia and

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Speaker 14: Judge might work Islands with you, So I'll take my

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Speaker 14: lagellation on that as well. Yep, I thought, oh yeah,

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Speaker 14: you know, especially when Mayo was getting head coach. Looked

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Speaker 14: I said, I think you said something about like, you know,

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Speaker 14: a coach and the coach and adding head coaches to

1683
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Speaker 14: the roster seemed like a good idea proven wrong anyway. Okay,

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Speaker 14: So I have scenario for you guys to contract and

1685
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Speaker 14: eager to hit your opinions because I thought with Hopkins,

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Speaker 14: I thought maybe he would be the piece that would

1687
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Speaker 14: push the offense board. If if you guys were staying

1688
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Speaker 14: the other day, if Mac developed, then you know, there's

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Speaker 14: a kind of a ceiling on the weapons that we

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Speaker 14: have now. Even if Mac makes a step forward, and

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Speaker 14: I just felt like, you know, maybe you would be

1692
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Speaker 14: the difference we makes the playoffs and not having a

1693
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 14: real weapon. But then I started thinking about all of

1694
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 14: the kind of guys north of thirty who had been

1695
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 14: very prolific receivers and uh, you know Mary's Thomas, h

1696
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Speaker 14: You've guys brought up Poachers, Sinco, and then there's like

1697
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Speaker 14: a whole list of other ones that never worked and

1698
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Speaker 14: get out Campion, Reggie, Wayne's, Tory Holt and Paras Thomas. Anyway,

1699
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 14: so I'm just thinking like what is more likely? Uh

1700
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 14: would Bill Hopkins have a couple more really productive seasons?

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Speaker 14: So could he flame out?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 14: You know, not being able to U you need to

1704
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Speaker 14: see it towards the thirties, and uh do you think

1705
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Speaker 14: that's that's built mentality's rather tick up one of those guys.

1706
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Speaker 14: It's like no risk bargain bin and that's reflected in

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Speaker 14: the potential like incentive late contact up. So I guess

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Speaker 14: it's much more likely, Uh do we not get in

1709
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Speaker 14: the playoffs because you know, Max develops and we don't

1710
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Speaker 14: have a piece to push us over the top for

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right? Thanks what was the second one?

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Speaker 2: Do hop flaming out? I think the hop is going

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Speaker 2: to have a couple of good years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did too, And I think there was no

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01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 5: risk to that either. I don't think that was a

1717
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Speaker 5: risky signing.

1718
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: No, it really wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Like they didn't give him like fifty million guaranteed, where

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Speaker 5: if he flames out in year one, you're stuck with

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Speaker 5: this contract like it's like thirteen million for one year basically,

1722
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 5: and if he doesn't work out and you cut him, I.

1723
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 4: Just wonder what does it look like that that they're

1724
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 4: good on offense, but they're they were one piece away, Like.

1725
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how to identify.

1726
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 4: I don't know what that looks like exactly. Because I

1727
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 4: think if mac Is is as good as he needs

1728
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 4: to be, that that they could probably get to where

1729
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 4: they would have been with Hopkins if that they didn't

1730
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 4: have him. I just I just don't know if it's

1731
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: going to be good enough overall and that that you know,

1732
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 4: even even if you if you had him, that maybe

1733
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 4: you could talk yourself into having enough. But right now,

1734
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 4: I just I don't think they have enough. And it's

1735
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 4: hard to say.

1736
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 5: It's it's real, it's a great question by Lars, but

1737
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 5: it's it's really hard to answer because of that, Like, well,

1738
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 5: my instinct would be what you're just saying, if they're close,

1739
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 5: then Max should have enough yeah to do it. Yeah right,

1740
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 5: but then maybe Ma's not good enough and it wouldn't

1741
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 5: matter if it was hard.

1742
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't know that was going to be my question

1743
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 2: to do. It's like, with what they have right now,

1744
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: how good does Mac need to be to get them

1745
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 2: into the playoffs and win a playoff game?

1746
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 4: I mean really good, really good? You know, a top

1747
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 4: ten quarterback in the league.

1748
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 2: I was really that good.

1749
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know I would tend to agree with that.

1750
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 5: I think that they need the offense to lift to

1751
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 5: another level, and I don't think they have exceptional talent

1752
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 5: on offense, So the quarterback is going to need to

1753
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 5: really rise.

1754
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 4: I think he needs to be you know, mistake free

1755
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 4: mostly and when the game's on the line, he's locked

1756
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 4: in and.

1757
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 5: Like productive, you know, he needs to be productive. Like

1758
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 5: the red zone. Thinking of the red zone. Last year,

1759
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 5: they didn't have a ton of red zone turnovers, but

1760
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 5: they couldn't score in the red zone, you know what

1761
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 5: I mean.

1762
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's go to Aaron in Atlanta. What's up, Aaron?

1763
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 5: Aaron?

1764
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:01,879
Speaker 2: Aaron in Atlanta?

1765
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 5: Is upstairs? Is upstairs?

1766
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 25: Guys going? Oh there are what happened listening the first time?

1767
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 4: Call her?

1768
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: Are you in the underground?

1769
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 8: No, I'm not.

1770
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 25: I'll show it you on speaker.

1771
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 2: Is that still a thing in Atlanta? Do they still

1772
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 2: have the underground?

1773
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 23: Yeah?

1774
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 7: They do.

1775
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I once said I went to a restaurant in

1776
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: the underground. It was a fondue restaurant.

1777
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 5: What is the underground?

1778
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 4: What does that mean?

1779
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 2: It's like a whole wall under the ground.

1780
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I didn't go to that when I went there.

1781
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 25: Sorry, Aaron, that's okay. So I have two things, Mike.

1782
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 25: I love your signce held references. I get a big

1783
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 25: crack out of them every time.

1784
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

1785
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: And then two sorry, go ahead, no it is yours.

1786
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 25: Okay, Sorry, I have a quick thought. I'll like to

1787
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 25: hear your opinions on Okay. So the other day I

1788
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 25: was listening to Catch twenty two and they brought up

1789
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 25: something that I feel like doesn't get talked about it

1790
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 25: enough in conversations. I've heard people often comment about how

1791
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 25: our defense falls off or it can't finish games. Last season,

1792
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 25: especially but they don't mention that the defense is on

1793
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 25: the field a lot more than the opposing defenses. I

1794
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 25: just feel like if the offense was even middle of

1795
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 25: the road, which I feel like it is a consensus

1796
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 25: where we're going to be, like, can strength some drives together,

1797
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 25: it'll help the defense out tremendously.

1798
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, offense definitely helps defense, no question, Mike. Do you

1799
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 5: have numbers on that.

1800
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 4: I have some numbers out that we're interesting. Just you know,

1801
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 4: take what you will. But offense was was twenty eighth

1802
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,440
Speaker 4: in the league, and time for drive not time for possession,

1803
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 4: but average drive time was twenty eight The defense was sixteenth,

1804
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 4: so it wasn't you know they I mean, I guess

1805
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 4: that's not really answering what we want, though we really

1806
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 4: want time on is.

1807
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: Did the defense spend too much time on the field

1808
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 2: because the offense.

1809
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 4: Couldn't put put together drive?

1810
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 5: Do you have an answer to that?

1811
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 4: Not really not, not not in front of.

1812
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 5: Me, because I kind of think they were middle of

1813
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 5: the pack in that defensive wise, like time of possession.

1814
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 5: I think they had some games that it was really bad,

1815
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 5: but I think they had others that it wasn't. I

1816
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 5: think the defense had problems. It was weird because I

1817
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 5: thought the defense played really well at times. Obviously they

1818
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 5: scored a ton of touchdowns. They they caused some turnovers

1819
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 5: and had a lot of sacks. But I think they

1820
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 5: really struggled in on third down, you know, for large

1821
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 5: stretches of the year, certainly against the better teams, and

1822
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 5: then in the red zone at times. So it was

1823
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 5: kind of uneven defensively. And you know, you can go

1824
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 5: to like the age old thing, the cliche about the

1825
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 5: quarterbacks when they played the better teams, the numbers were

1826
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 5: probably skewed a little bit bad.

1827
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the numbers back the I mean twenty first on

1828
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 4: third down and twenty second in red zone. I mean,

1829
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 4: just you know those are the.

1830
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 5: See Fred you just watch just why don't need stets.

1831
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Let's go to Eddie in California. What's up Eddie?

1832
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,520
Speaker 4: So guys, I hope you guys are doing good.

1833
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 26: I kind of want to touch on what you guys

1834
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 26: mentioned earlier about how if Mac Jones can be the

1835
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 26: guy for us, how everything could be better. And I

1836
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 26: kind of want to say that if Bill O'Brien can

1837
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 26: be the elite offensive coordinator that we need and Mac

1838
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 26: Jones can be that guy, even if it's just like

1839
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 26: Kirk Cousins, serviceable and not not like something elite. I

1840
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 26: think what we have now can get it done. Like

1841
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,839
Speaker 26: I kind of want to compare it to the Giants

1842
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 26: last year. I mean, like they had no elite receivers.

1843
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 26: Daniel Jones is like not the best passing. I know

1844
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 26: he has that running factor, and I know they have Saquon,

1845
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 26: but I just I don't think they had anything elite

1846
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 26: in receiving. And I agree Andre Stevenson can kind of

1847
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 26: lead like Saquon, but I do think we need another

1848
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 26: running back, hopefully one that has more of a receiving upside.

1849
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 26: And I just wish they would call of Kurring just

1850
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 26: because of his receiving upside is so good. But I

1851
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 26: just wanted to know what you guys think about that.

1852
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I listen, I have hope, I have hope.

1853
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: I said I'm entering this season with hope, not expectation, hope.

1854
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 5: I mean I tie it to what I just said.

1855
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 4: And you know, I think the Kirk Cousins comp is

1856
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 4: one that gets put out there a lot. But I

1857
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 4: mean he has Justin Jefferson and he you know, had

1858
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 4: Adam feeling. So it's it's it's translating that to Mac.

1859
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 4: If Mac had those guys, could a performance as good

1860
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: as Kirk Cousins be enough? Like maybe that's why I

1861
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 4: think Mac needs to be better than that, because he

1862
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 4: doesn't have, you know, a Justin Jefferson on the field

1863
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 4: for him. So I mean, I I really still believe

1864
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 4: that if Mac takes a big leap forward, the offense

1865
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 4: is all clicking, that that they have enough to be

1866
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 4: competitive with every team they play. I just I I

1867
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 4: haven't really seen it in a while from Max, so

1868
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit skeptical that he's going to be

1869
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 4: able to play to a level to raise that whole shit.

1870
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 5: And I also think like people have thrown that, you know,

1871
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 5: the Cousins won around a lot, and this one is

1872
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 5: now starting to get more traction with the Daniel Jones,

1873
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 5: and I would argue, I don't think you want Daniel Jones.

1874
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 5: Like everybody that talks about it completely glosses over the

1875
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 5: running first of all, like that's like that's not a

1876
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 5: part of it. Huge, Like the whole Giants offense with

1877
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones running, like that's why they

1878
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 5: he's right, It's absolutely right. They don't have great receivers,

1879
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 5: they didn't have a high powered offense. They did just

1880
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 5: enough offensively, just enough defensively. They want a lot of

1881
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 5: close games. They were competitive, they played hard, and they

1882
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 5: were kind of, you know, an average team when the

1883
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 5: day was all over. I mean, they were competitive. But

1884
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 5: I don't think you want Daniel Jones. I don't think

1885
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 5: that's what you want Mac Jones to be. No, and

1886
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 5: I don't think he's as good as Daniel Jones right

1887
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 5: now because of the running, Like I think people just

1888
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 5: forget that part, like he can be Jalen Hurts like

1889
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 5: you just got to get him AJ brutt like, well,

1890
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is Jalen Hurts because he does two things,

1891
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 5: not just one.

1892
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Jjn LA. About uniforms, I'm team nineties. That's the era

1893
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 2: I became a Patriots fan. It's an option to use

1894
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: in Madden and they look amazing as well as all

1895
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: silver uniforms with red shoes. I hope to see.

1896
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 5: Them in their future silver also it's like the tin Man. Yeah,

1897
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 5: the uniform. I'm not surprised.

1898
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 2: Fred Gerald and Grimsby going to have to disagree with

1899
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Fred growing up in Montreal in the seventies and eighties,

1900
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: where the AFC broadcasts were the Patriots and the NFC

1901
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: was the Giants. I chose the team with the cooler

1902
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: logo and became a Patriots fan, Love Grogan to Morgan, Moses, Mooses, Claiborne,

1903
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: La pet and Tip Tippett and on and on. I

1904
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 2: remember buying my first football magazine and the only logo

1905
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: I like better than the Patriots was the Broncos pat

1906
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: Patriot was by far and is the best Patriot logo

1907
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: to me. Well, you don't know from logos.

1908
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 5: What other magazines did you buy? So that's funny. He

1909
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 5: mentioned the Broncos logo and we were talking earlier.

1910
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: By the way, I was a Broncos fan. That wasn't

1911
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: a good logo.

1912
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 5: Okay, I wasn't necessarily talking better, you know, logos compared

1913
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 5: to the other ones. But I'd take if I were

1914
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 5: a Denver fan, I'd take those uniforms over the ones

1915
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 5: that they changed to every day of the week. Yeah yeah,

1916
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 5: they were much better. Yeah yeah, but the but the

1917
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 5: blue sleeves on the the blue stripes on the sleeve.

1918
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 4: You know, you see the new Cleveland ones too. They

1919
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 4: went to like a white helmet I think was an

1920
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 4: alter alternate.

1921
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I think the Patriots.

1922
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 5: I saw the Colts are wearing a black alternate helmet,

1923
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 5: which I hadn't seen before. That looked all right.

1924
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: The Patriots, when they wear their red jerseys, should have well,

1925
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: they have the white helmet for the throwback, but they

1926
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: their alternate jersey should be red with the new logo

1927
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: and a white helmet with the new logo. Get rid

1928
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,839
Speaker 2: of silver. You know we don't like the from silver.

1929
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 5: You don't know from silver.

1930
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: No, it's red, white, and blue where patriots.

1931
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 5: You're right, you know we are all Patriots after all.

1932
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Rick and Louisville. I'm completely with you Fred on grown

1933
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: adult fascination with uniforms, But I do have one major

1934
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 2: pet peeve, and it happens more in college teams need

1935
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: to wear their colors. When I turn on a game

1936
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: and Oregon is in pink or Oklahoma's weren't gray, come on,

1937
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 2: if I can't recognize you and I can't be alone

1938
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: in this, there's a problem.

1939
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 5: I'm with Rick. I mean, it's hard to figure out

1940
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 5: when you put a college game on, who's playing.

1941
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: I mean shouldn't Oregon wear yellow, green and white instead

1942
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: of pink, black and whatever.

1943
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 5: Well, the only thing about pink is sometimes that's for

1944
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 5: a cause. Yeah, So I'm gonna rest. Can want to

1945
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 5: push back, but yeah, I mean it might be in

1946
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 5: the middle of October.

1947
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: Could wy Oklahoma where orange and black? Miami where aqua

1948
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: and orange. It's stupid and it drives me nuts.

1949
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 5: Okay, Oklahoma state orange and black.

1950
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

1951
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 2: Jack about the logo absence makes the Heart grow fonder.

1952
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. Is some truth to that apparently. So

1953
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 5: because I'm with Fred, I went through the nineties that

1954
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 5: was I was a season ticket holder from ninety three

1955
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 5: to when Fred hired me in ninety nine, and I

1956
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 5: don't remember the people say the best, and I don't

1957
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 5: remember a lot of praise for the uniform.

1958
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 4: And they don't spark anything in you that was like

1959
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 4: the highlight of when you were, you know, having fun.

1960
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 5: No, But I'm more on the Fred's side, like there's

1961
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 5: really nothing they were gonna wear that's gonna spark it. Now.

1962
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 5: I liked the seventies, the late seventies.

1963
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 4: Look.

1964
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 5: I liked the white shirts with the red pants that

1965
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 5: they went to in like seventy nine ish, But like,

1966
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,560
Speaker 5: do I have to have that? No, it's not really.

1967
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 2: I think this. I think Sutton is way more of

1968
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: a Patriots player than Hopkins. He's everything they look for,

1969
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 2: cheap and often injured.

1970
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 5: Oh you know, you know it's when where I did.

1971
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 5: I did want to because I looked up his stats

1972
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 5: after Eldred called in. Eldred's right, like he only he

1973
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 5: missed basically a whole year, but otherwise he's played in

1974
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,879
Speaker 5: most of the games. I think he missed two games

1975
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 5: one year, one game another year, and then there was

1976
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 5: the one year I think he tore his a cl

1977
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 5: and missed virtually the entire year. You had three catches

1978
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 5: all year. I like Courtland Sutton. I always have liked

1979
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 5: Courtland Sutton, but I just don't think he's the answer.

1980
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 4: I wouldn't kick any receiver off the team right now.

1981
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 5: I told you I would have taken Denzel.

1982
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 4: Mims, taking pretty much anybody at this.

1983
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 5: Like as a guy who was a second round pick,

1984
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 5: hasn't you know is busted out. That's that's right in

1985
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 5: Bill's weelhouse.

1986
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 4: He's caught an NFL pass. Sure to sign him up.

1987
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 5: I just don't want to give up, like you know,

1988
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 5: a day, And I don't think it would cost you

1989
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 5: a lot to get Sutton. I don't think it would

1990
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 5: cost you like a first, third or fourth. Yeah, maybe

1991
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 5: not even that much.

1992
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 2: Robin san Diego via Connecticut. I've had this opinion for

1993
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 2: some time and wanted to see what you thought. Bill

1994
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 2: runs things a certain way, and I don't think it's

1995
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,759
Speaker 2: changed much. When Brady was here, it worked perfectly because

1996
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 2: the goat elevated all around him. Bill kept the window

1997
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 2: Petroley opened by not going all in on many players,

1998
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 2: managing spending and the locker room. You can spend and win,

1999
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 2: but it doesn't last. I think Brady would have been

2000
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 2: great without Bill, and Belichick would have been recognized as

2001
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: a good coach in the league without Brady. However, Bill's

2002
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: team building inconsistency, elevated by Brady is what made a

2003
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 2: twenty something year long dynasty. I don't think Bill's approach

2004
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 2: the team building works as well without Brady. I don't

2005
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 2: think Brady is the goat without Bill's style of team

2006
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 2: building and management that allowed for twenty years of excellence.

2007
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know that's right.

2008
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 5: Sure, what do you think the result would have been

2009
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 5: if he went all in every year with Brady.

2010
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you don't know if like

2011
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,440
Speaker 2: you know when when you start, you know the entitlement,

2012
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 2: like guys bitching.

2013
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 5: My point is, whatever your style was was gonna work

2014
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 5: as long as Brady was part of it. Like I mean,

2015
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 5: I think I think.

2016
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 2: Time is but I think his point for twenty years, yeah,

2017
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 2: and I think worked for twenty Obviously you can't go

2018
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 2: all in every year for twenty years.

2019
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 5: But they could have gone all in. And we've talked

2020
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 5: about the different times. Oh six, you know, spend a

2021
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: couple of million more and keep Dion Branch and you

2022
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 5: win another Super Bowl? Yeah, right, like you could have

2023
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 5: got Like, don't please please tell me that that time

2024
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 5: hasn't at least caused you to think maybe it wasn't that,

2025
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 5: maybe it wasn't team building that won all those titles,

2026
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 5: Like at least have you at least thought about the

2027
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 5: fact that maybe it wasn't. I'm not I'm not even

2028
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 5: gonna tease you with my normal remark about you don't

2029
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 5: still believe in Santa Claus? Do you do?

2030
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 4: But I but I mean I'll bring up a point Paul,

2031
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 4: like but like, how did Brady get six? Like I mean,

2032
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 4: and like I don't think that he was that much six.

2033
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 5: Because they decided to be mediocre talent wise the whole time.

2034
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 5: But no, that is Peyton Manning.

2035
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 4: Like I think that they're probably close talent wise, Like

2036
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 4: what's the disconnect between six and two?

2037
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 2: You know?

2038
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 4: Like that, So you think Brady was three times the

2039
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 4: quarter Like I just don't think Brady was three times

2040
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 4: the quarterback. Peyton Manning was.

2041
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 5: I think he's it was. I think it was razor

2042
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 5: thin and he was just a little bit better when

2043
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 5: it counted. And that's why they got to.

2044
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Host defense was better than the cults.

2045
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 5: I think, unquestionably. But that's that's where you actually went

2046
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 5: in like first round picks up front, like you did

2047
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 5: invest in that that was going all in true?

2048
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 2: No they yeah, David writes in uh, I recently thought

2049
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 2: about this as it's happened a few times. When was

2050
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 2: the last time a sports game or moment made you cry,

2051
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 2: either tears of joy or sadness? And what was it?

2052
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 2: If it counts? I cried like a baby after watching

2053
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Brady's fake retirement video by the Patriots a couple of

2054
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 2: years ago. I don't think I've ever cried.

2055
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 4: And I'd admit it too, but like not only my

2056
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 4: own sporting events. I losing off games in high school,

2057
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: you know, tears, but really, I don't think a sport

2058
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 4: team like a professional.

2059
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: I cried after looking at a third strike in an

2060
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 2: All Star Babe Ruth game.

2061
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 5: That's a good one.

2062
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: How old were you I was, I don't know, I

2063
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 2: was twelve or whatever. We're coming back. We were playing Cooperstown,

2064
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: New York, and runners on second and third. I think

2065
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: we were behind by three, two outs in the last inning,

2066
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 2: and I looked at a third strike watched.

2067
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 4: It get the bat shoulder Fred.

2068
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever cried, certainly not as a fan.

2069
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 5: I know I never cried over a game.

2070
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 2: Now.

2071
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 5: I've bitched and moaned about plenty. I don't know. I

2072
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 5: don't really remember. I do remember misplaying a fly ball

2073
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 5: in the last inning of a game and senior Babe Ruth,

2074
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 5: I was like sixteen, sixteen or sad I was I

2075
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 5: was old. I was like sixteen or seventeen and being

2076
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 5: completely distraught. I don't remember crying about it, but I

2077
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 5: cost our team the game. Routine flyball I looked like

2078
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 5: it was coming right to me, was over my head.

2079
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 2: I cry.

2080
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 4: I think I told the story about Babson junior year

2081
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 4: when I like missed the puck and my stick broke

2082
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 4: and the stick half the stick one up in the

2083
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 4: air and hit my dift this in the middle of

2084
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 4: the game defensive partner in the head, and I kind

2085
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 4: of laughed and like got off the field and they

2086
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 4: went down and scored, and I'd like gotten benched, and

2087
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 4: like it was one of those things like that the team,

2088
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 4: the team won, but I felt like I was just

2089
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 4: extracted from the team and I that was that was

2090
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 4: one of the most miserable experiences of like my sporting

2091
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 4: just And it's weird that it was like sparked by

2092
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 4: like this random play where my stick broke and hit

2093
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 4: somebody in the head and I kind of laughed and

2094
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 4: was out of the game for a second.

2095
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 5: But that's when I was a good one. I mean,

2096
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 5: those are the most disappointed.

2097
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 4: I've worked for me, Like why won't this work? Why

2098
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 4: can't I get it right right now, like and be

2099
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 4: a part of the team, And yeah, that's similar.

2100
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 5: Things like that are the most disappointed I've ever been

2101
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 5: in sports. Is when things aren't going well for me,

2102
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden the team does well

2103
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:54,759
Speaker 5: and you have that conflicted feeling.

2104
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I did individual sports. Eventually, I

2105
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 2: just wanted to play. I don't care I'm not a

2106
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 2: good team player. I don't want to watch. I want

2107
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 2: to play every minute, and that you could do that

2108
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: in individual sports, you know, it was all you.

2109
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 4: Well, that was the hardest was my junior year when

2110
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 4: I had Mono, which Paul pointed out after my first bars.

2111
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 5: On the show.

2112
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 4: You know, you sit up in the stands and your

2113
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 4: job was to chart how the defensemen were doing, like

2114
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 4: how many giveaways they had and stuff. So you're in

2115
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 4: kind of a weird position where you know, at that point,

2116
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I'm trying to hope that the

2117
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 4: fifth or sixth defenseman has brutal turnovers or you know

2118
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 4: that has terrible plays, and so you know, you're a

2119
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 4: little bit motivated to be like, you know, checking out

2120
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 4: the turnovers and a hard place to be. I'll say too,

2121
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 4: I have such respect for and I'll always say this

2122
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 4: guy Brian Occasion, who was at the time a sophomore

2123
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 4: on our team, and we made it all the way

2124
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 4: to the MAC Finals, my last game senior year championship game,

2125
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 4: and one of our other seniors who had missed a

2126
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 4: bunch of time with knee injuries, one of our beloved

2127
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 4: guys was like, I think I can go tonight. And

2128
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 4: the sophomore, Brian Occasion, was the guy who was out

2129
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 4: for the championship game to let our senior play. And

2130
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 4: I just always thought so much of that move to

2131
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 4: like kind of sacrifice yourself to a kid who you

2132
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 4: know really probably was only on one leg at the time,

2133
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 4: could play like in his last game. It was just

2134
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 4: like something that the other side of it never forgot

2135
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 4: that kid stepping up being a team player.

2136
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, Fred wouldn't have done that. I remember,

2137
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 5: so I got a tennis match.

2138
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Freshman basketball were at practice and half of us were

2139
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,759
Speaker 2: hung over, the other half were sick, and Brad Kimball

2140
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 2: took a tip off and started dribbling the wrong way

2141
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 2: down the court and I started cracking up, and the

2142
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: coach kicked me out of practice. He's the one going

2143
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 2: the wrong way. To coach, I got laughing at him,

2144
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 2: and then I turn around and then the whole team's

2145
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,879
Speaker 2: behind me. Then he just everybody out, just take the showers.

2146
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 5: It's crazy.

2147
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 2: It was awful. We were just like out of it.

2148
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 2: It's the best.

2149
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 4: I mean, all this stuff is. I mean, it's it's

2150
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 4: so much about like when you play sports growing up,

2151
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 4: like did you win or lose?

2152
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 5: It's like it's not really ever about that.

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Speaker 4: It's all about these experiences with like you know, learning

2154
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 4: to other teammates and that comes.

2155
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we like we probably made the States once

2156
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: or twice in different sports, but like that's not what

2157
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, practice. Yeah, I remember kicking one

2158
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 2: of our soccer coaches in the cap and the shin

2159
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: as he went by, and you know, sent him flying,

2160
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 2: and he's.

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01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 5: Like, who did that?

2162
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Who did that? Was you? He's pointing at me. I

2163
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,639
Speaker 2: saw red because I was wearing a red shirt?

2164
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 4: Was that you?

2165
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 2: And you know, oh I sent them? But like things

2166
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 2: like that you remember.

2167
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 5: You know.

2168
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: Uh, all right, good good, good stuff. Let's go back

2169
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 2: to the phones. Dan's in Virginia and Michigan. What's up, Dan?

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Speaker 24: Hey Ford? First off, thank you for the clarification on

2171
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 24: the whole gentlemine.

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01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 12: Uh.

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01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 24: Conversation.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, welcome.

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01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 24: I apologize if I miss misrepresented anybody's position, although it

2176
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 24: doesn't have to me wondering what exactly it was you

2177
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 24: arguing about.

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01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 5: Absolutely, as was always the case, dan Fred has moved

2179
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 5: the one.

2180
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 24: But the question of today is in terms of expectations

2181
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 24: for the coming season.

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01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

2183
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 24: It's easy for us as fans to remember, you know,

2184
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 24: when our team made the shift back into contender status

2185
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 24: by you know, signing a top flight QB or changing

2186
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 24: their head coach who you know, changed the approach and

2187
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 24: the team went from bottom of the bottom to the top.

2188
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 24: But how often does it happen that a team kind

2189
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 24: of incrementally makes its way back to contender status. You know,

2190
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 24: they're they're not able to add a superstar, they're not

2191
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 24: going to they're not changing their head coach. But they

2192
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 24: had just those pieces here and there to become a contender,

2193
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 24: you know, kind of I guess, I guess to put

2194
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 24: it in a simple way, does it happen quickly or

2195
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 24: does it not happen at all?

2196
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

2197
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 23: How often does it to a contender?

2198
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 5: How often does that rebuild work with the same coach? Yeah,

2199
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 5: see that's to me, that's the ex coach. Not very

2200
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 5: many guys, I would say Baltimore is worked.

2201
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 2: Right, because owners don't have the patience for one.

2202
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 5: Thing, right, most most teams don't don't do it that way.

2203
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 2: How how long when Carol went to the Seahawks, how

2204
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 2: quickly did they win?

2205
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 5: They got good as soon as Russell Wilson was then

2206
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:09,799
Speaker 5: okay twelve.

2207
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 4: But I mean, I think you just have to catch lightning.

2208
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 5: But that's not what you're talking about. He's talking about

2209
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 5: a team that was good and then they go through

2210
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 5: a lull. They keep the same coach, so it's not

2211
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 5: like this dramatic change like Denver with John Fox got

2212
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning, Like, that's not what we're talking about. I

2213
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 5: assume Dan, right, So I don't think there's a lot

2214
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,919
Speaker 5: of I think Baltimore might be an example.

2215
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 4: But but again, like got Lamar, and you know, like.

2216
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 5: They've sort of gone through like some peaks and valleys.

2217
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 5: They've been better. Even with Flaco, they had some down

2218
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 5: years then they went back up, and even Pittsburgh, but

2219
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's never gone down well and relatively he's never had

2220
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:49,759
Speaker 5: a losing season.

2221
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 24: Yeah, you agree with Baltimore, even though it's like, you know,

2222
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 24: they dropped Lamar and that's.

2223
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what Mike said. It's it's it's hard to

2224
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 7: really come up with them because nobody once you stop

2225
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 7: having success, the coach generally goes right right now, you

2226
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 7: bring in someone else, I mean, bring.

2227
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 4: Up you know, Andy Reid with you know, Alex Smith

2228
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 4: and his competitive and then all of a sudden you

2229
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 4: get Patrick Mahomes and.

2230
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 5: Now it's like, oh my god.

2231
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 4: Now, but they also right, I just I tied to

2232
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 4: the quarterback. I think it's mostly you know, Montana to

2233
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 4: to young Far to Rogers. I mean, the times it's

2234
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 4: been able to happen, it's because you've lucked into or

2235
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 4: you've randomly hit on that next quarterback. And you know,

2236
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 4: that's what I think the Patriots were hoping. Mac Jones

2237
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 4: was is you know, especially a fifteenth overall that.

2238
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an impatient league. So you know, if there

2239
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 2: are any examples of the what you're exactly talking about,

2240
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Speaker 2: it's rare.

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01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 24: You know, I can't Gibbs Washington.

2242
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 5: But which which time, like would they media like, I

2243
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 5: don't know enough between I felt like they were always good. Okay,

2244
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 5: you can correct.

2245
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know, but.

2246
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 5: We look up.

2247
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but thanks Dan, thanks for the call. Uh Danny's

2248
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 2: in Florida. What's up, Danny?

2249
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 27: Hey, guys, how you guys do it?

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01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:18,520
Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 28: Hey, so I've been called it the other day. I've

2252
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 28: been wanting to say this all off season.

2253
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Uh the topic.

2254
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 27: Online, but uh, I feel like too many, like as

2255
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 27: the fans and uh as the beat writers, you know,

2256
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 27: you got your guys.

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01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 28: You guys, yourself, and uh all the guys out there,

2258
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 28: I feel like.

2259
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 27: Too many people are focusing on the offense, and too

2260
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 27: many people are focusing on the defense.

2261
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 28: Like I feel like we're all failing to uh forget

2262
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 28: the whole aspect of the three phases that Bill has

2263
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:56,759
Speaker 28: always talked about. The Patriots have failed together as playing

2264
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 28: complimentary football, like in the kicking game. I guess you

2265
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 28: saw last year. Kicking game was a disaster. They lost

2266
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 28: a lot of games in the kicking game. And people

2267
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 28: don't are honing in too much offense.

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 2: Listen, Danny, you you you're absolutely right. I mean, we

2269
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: talked about the beginning of the show. One of the

2270
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: one of them. One of the bullet points of this

2271
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: decline has been the undisciplined play on all sides of

2272
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 2: the ball, especially special teams.

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01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 23: You know, yeah.

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01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 27: Yeah, So I'm curious to see what Joe Judge does.

2275
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 27: I think a lot of people, you know, shamed him,

2276
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 27: and I mean he did deserve the shame of Bill

2277
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 27: put him in a bad spot being the quarterbacks go.

2278
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 27: So I want to see what Joe Judge does, uh,

2279
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 27: you know, kind of overseeing the special teams because I'm

2280
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,839
Speaker 27: actually very curious to see how the kicker they drafted

2281
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 27: the partner.

2282
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 28: I care about that phase of the game too, And.

2283
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 27: I'm kind of curious to see, you know, the team

2284
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,640
Speaker 27: collectively because as you see all the great teams in

2285
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 27: the NFL, they play good in all three phases.

2286
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 5: Kansas City and Philadelphia don't. Yeah, they have the two

2287
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 5: worst special teams units in football, according to Rick Goslin,

2288
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 5: who charged that.

2289
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta admit Danny it right now. It's

2290
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 2: all it's offense.

2291
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 5: I hope to never see either one of those rookie

2292
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 5: kickers as that. But I hope they have an offense

2293
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 5: that never punts, and I hope they have a red

2294
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 5: zone offense that always scores touchdowns. But the only time

2295
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 5: we see Ryland is our extra points.

2296
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: But you need to you need to be balanced, and

2297
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 2: you need you need all phases of the team to

2298
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 2: be smart.

2299
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, except for they're not all equal. Yeah no, just

2300
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 5: real quick, I looked up the Redskins in eighty two

2301
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 5: is when they won the first one. They were eight

2302
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 5: and one. It was a strike year, fourteen and two,

2303
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,719
Speaker 5: eleven and five, ten and six, twelve and four, eleven

2304
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 5: and four, seven and nine and eighty eight, ten and six,

2305
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 5: ten and six, fourteen and two, nine and seven, and

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01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 5: then they finally fell off.

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01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 4: That's pretty good. That's a good stretch.

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01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 5: So in that span they won three titles, but they

2309
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 5: never really dipped.

2310
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 4: They won one one down season. That's impressive.

2311
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Enrique in New Mexico. What's up Enrique?

2312
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 8: Hey guys all you continue right? Yep, okay, this first

2313
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 8: on Color here.

2314
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 14: I'm the guy that you sang you trigger for since

2315
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:14,599
Speaker 14: trivia questions.

2316
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 2: Oh you do the super Bowl trivia questions? Yeah, those

2317
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 2: are good.

2318
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:22,560
Speaker 8: I hope you have a super Bowl and regularly absolutely No.

2319
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 8: I just want to cult today, so I have a

2320
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,679
Speaker 8: question for you. I'm a fast fans in thirty six

2321
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 8: that's seen the lowest of below and high, so we

2322
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 8: can all agree that you, I mean, really the deal

2323
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 8: process is not working, you know. Next well, so, but

2324
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 8: I'm also listening to Michael Lombardi, I like sometimes to

2325
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 8: my merchs a little bit. Well, I like, so my

2326
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 8: question how much in relationships with you guys? With Michael when.

2327
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 2: He was by, Uh, I didn't really know him at all,

2328
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I might have said hello

2329
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 2: to him once or twice. Who Mike Mike Lombardi.

2330
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I talked to him. I pretend that I

2331
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 5: know him.

2332
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Enrique and to everyone else, there's a

2333
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 2: separation of church and state here. This is not like

2334
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 2: the ESPN commercial cafeteria com Yeah. I mean we see

2335
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 2: them on the road mostly, you know, like I sit

2336
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 2: next to matc grow and Elliott Wolf on the road

2337
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: and you know, talk to him a little bit mostly listen. Yeah,

2338
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 2: but like we're not encouraged to be friends with anyone.

2339
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 5: Who was the guy that you didn't realize? What was it?

2340
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,520
Speaker 5: John Robinson? Yeah, but you didn't realize.

2341
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I asked him, do you have a

2342
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 2: credential to be sitting here?

2343
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 5: I was going to leave that part out.

2344
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 2: Well, I had never seen him up in the press

2345
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 2: box before, and I never actually saw him in person

2346
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 2: before you know, so I get into the press box,

2347
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 2: you know, you have your routine and you get there

2348
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, you start unloading and this this guy sitting

2349
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: there and I'm like, hey, you're supposed to be here,

2350
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 2: so yeah, ahead of pro personnel scouting or whatever.

2351
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 4: I wish you kept it going because he was here

2352
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 4: with a couple of years ago for the for the

2353
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 4: playoff game. When he was sitting there like that would

2354
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 4: have been like, you know, hey, you got a credential,

2355
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 4: you you could give him a little ribbon.

2356
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what's he doing? Did he ever get a

2357
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 2: job after Tennessee?

2358
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I've heard I don't think so.

2359
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 12: Uh.

2360
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:25,639
Speaker 2: One more call Todd's in North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey, guys.

2361
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 29: When you're talking about coaches and teams that go through

2362
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 29: lulls and then nowag to come back, I think Pete

2363
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 29: Carroll's kind of doing that right now with the Sea.

2364
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 5: I think that's a good That's about as close as

2365
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 5: I could think of. That's a good one, Todd. Yeah,

2366
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 5: so what Dan is talking about, they were really good.

2367
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 5: A couple of trips to the Super Bowl one one

2368
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 5: kind of fell off and now they look like they're

2369
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 5: back on the rise, although I don't think they're all

2370
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 5: that good.

2371
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 4: Would you invest in Gino Smith?

2372
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 5: Like that's the question, right, That's what they did.

2373
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 29: Yeah, this is where I want to go. What does

2374
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:59,520
Speaker 29: it take to get do we have?

2375
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 17: Have we had?

2376
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 29: What it takes to really get those quarterbacks going? Because look,

2377
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,839
Speaker 29: Gino Smith was somewhere else and god, the poor bugger

2378
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 29: was in the Jets and he just like died because

2379
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 29: he was in this this division. Like what does it

2380
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 29: take to get a quarterback like that over the hump?

2381
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 29: Because suddenly he goes and everybody I'd written him off.

2382
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 29: I never thought that I think he was going to

2383
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 29: be anything, But he's actually I think personally, maybe I'm wrong,

2384
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 29: Maybe you guys have a better eyesight on this. I

2385
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 29: think he's performing at a much much higher level than

2386
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 29: he ever did at the Jet What do you think

2387
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 29: is absolutely.

2388
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,600
Speaker 4: I agree with you, But I think he's a unicorn.

2389
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 4: I just don't think he was ever.

2390
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 5: I think he's perfectly adequate. I don't think he was

2391
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 5: anything special last year. You guys think much more of

2392
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 5: him than I do. I don't think I think he

2393
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 5: had a couple of good games early in the year,

2394
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 5: and because he hadn't played in so long, it was

2395
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 5: a huge thing. I think that Kirk Cousins like thoroughly

2396
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 5: mediocre kind of guy. I think that's Gino Smith. I

2397
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 5: don't think he's.

2398
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 4: Well, I can still think he's thoroughly mediocre and think

2399
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 4: he was better.

2400
01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 5: Than I saw him play like that, but the Jets here,

2401
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 5: I never saw him throw deep balls like you through

2402
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 5: last year. And you know, but I just think.

2403
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 4: It's a it's a total unique situation.

2404
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 5: And Tatara guy plays to that level. And to Todd's point,

2405
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 5: he's right like he was in this division playing against Belichick.

2406
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 5: You know, well that's the more different.

2407
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's like the Mac thing. I mean, Max got,

2408
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 4: you know, a tough, tough schedule to go against. You know,

2409
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 4: could Mac go somewhere else and but but still Stanta

2410
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 4: Cy West, that's you know.

2411
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I'd be I'm going to be very curious.

2412
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 5: I might be dead wrong. I could be dead wrong

2413
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 5: on this one. If he comes out Gino and has

2414
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 5: another like really good year. Like I don't think he

2415
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 5: was that great last year. I think he had a

2416
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 5: couple of really good games early and became like the

2417
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 5: darling of a comebacks A great story. You know, it

2418
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 5: was a great it was a great story. Absolutely, maybe

2419
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 5: he was better than I'm giving him credit for. We'll see.

2420
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 5: Maybe you guys are right.

2421
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 2: Joe and Michigan. If the season is a disaster, I

2422
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 2: would say owners have to make a change. If a success,

2423
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 2: if it's if it's if it's a success, then onward

2424
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,799
Speaker 2: and up its success meeting playoffs. Also, I think Malik

2425
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Cunningham is going to be a big surprise for us.

2426
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,600
Speaker 4: I hope one of those guys is a surprise. I

2427
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 4: don't really have a favorite, but I think one of

2428
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 4: those young guys needs to do something. I hope because

2429
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 4: if they go into the season with just four receivers

2430
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,600
Speaker 4: and you know, two of them are Thornton and you

2431
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 4: know Parker that have been hurt all the time.

2432
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 5: It's like ice, what do you think it'd be a

2433
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 5: big surprise as.

2434
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 4: I mean, i'd have to probably say a slot receiver,

2435
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 4: I guess, So would that be good? I mean, if

2436
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 4: you know, because then he's going to be playing what

2437
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 4: over juju or he's taken snaps.

2438
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 5: From I'm just saying, like I'm going to operate under

2439
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 5: the premise that he's not Edelman, Like I mean, obviously

2440
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 5: if he turns out to be like this great weapon

2441
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:51,760
Speaker 5: for the next ten years in the slot, and that

2442
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 5: would be awesome. I'm not anticipating like a big surprise

2443
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 5: is like that's the best, Like to your point, like

2444
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 5: he's better than Booty, He's better than Douglas's, better than

2445
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 5: Trey Nixon's. That's not a great thing for the Patriots,

2446
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 5: Like these guys should be one of those guys should

2447
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 5: be expected to be a better player than a guy

2448
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 5: who played quarterback last year, Right, I would hope.

2449
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 4: I would hope.

2450
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 5: Now if you're going to tell me he's going to

2451
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 5: be a big surprise because they're going to use him

2452
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 5: as this dual threat guy who like Kordell Stewart at

2453
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 5: the beginning slash, Yeah, okay, that that could be a

2454
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 5: surprise and that could be valuable. You know, they're gonna

2455
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,759
Speaker 5: put him in for a couple of packages to play quarterback.

2456
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 5: They're going to throw him out there under center, and

2457
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 5: then they sprint him out. You know, you have him

2458
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 5: and Mac out there at the same time, and right,

2459
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 5: no light out, you're lighting out. I'm here for all

2460
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 5: of that. I think if that kind of stuff happens,

2461
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 5: that could be a very pleasant surprise.

2462
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but most likely I think he's got practice squad

2463
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 4: written all over him. For the reasons we've talked to him.

2464
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 5: I think I'm just going off of the way he

2465
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,719
Speaker 5: talked to us. He said he's strictly a wide receiver

2466
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 5: right now, and I just find it to believe that

2467
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 5: you're gonna catch lightning in a bottle again like that.

2468
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 2: Josh and Turner's fall rights in. Firstly, Paul is top

2469
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 2: three with Mike Reese and Phil Perry.

2470
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 5: Hey, that's the best compliment ever, because those are two

2471
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 5: incredibly nice people.

2472
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 2: Made my week when I saw that Six Rings had

2473
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 2: him as a guest. If he is walking around practice

2474
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 2: before it starts next Friday, I'll be the one yelling

2475
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 2: in him to try to again an autograph. Secondly, i'm

2476
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 2: allowed to do I don't know what we're doing it. Secondly,

2477
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,599
Speaker 2: I'm glad the Hopkins thing is over. Maybe we won't

2478
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, maybe we won't be overly competitive, but

2479
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: I think younger players are going to get a chance,

2480
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 2: and that's what I want to see from a rebuilding team.

2481
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 2: You guys are the number one podcast out there, keep

2482
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 2: it up.

2483
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 4: That's right.

2484
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 5: No, I that's not strong positive vibes.

2485
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 4: That's my sentiment. That's what's got me excited for next

2486
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 4: week is to you know, get these guys out there

2487
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 4: and see what the what the kids look like and

2488
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 4: you know it's I mean, you guys have experienced it.

2489
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 4: I've been here since twenty nineteen. I haven't experienced it.

2490
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a new star player suddenly show up

2491
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 4: on the roster and start performing it star level and

2492
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, we got a guy right

2493
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 4: now like that. I just haven't been here for that,

2494
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 4: And that, to me is the way out of this.

2495
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 4: And the most exciting thing about the team is if

2496
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 4: a couple of these young kids just really really really

2497
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 4: look like they know how they can play, and not

2498
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 4: just oh he'll make the team, Yeah he'll be the

2499
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 4: fifth receiver. No, Like, I mean, wow, this is a

2500
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 4: this is a special pair.

2501
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 5: And my boys on my show is always telling me,

2502
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 5: you know, don't cross sports, right, but like it's kind

2503
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 5: of like the Red Sox. Like I'm not really overly

2504
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 5: enthusiastic about the twenty three Red Sox, but what does

2505
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 5: have me encouraged is they have a handful of younger

2506
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 5: players that look like they might be here in two

2507
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 5: or three years, like Brian Bail, like I watch. You know,

2508
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 5: obviously yesterday was not a good example, but that's a

2509
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 5: guy that you could build on. Garrett Whitlock. I don't

2510
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 5: know about him yet.

2511
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 4: But Yoshida he seems like a wild card.

2512
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why.

2513
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's like he should be.

2514
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 5: But like Yoshida, you know, looks like you know, they

2515
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 5: went out and identified a guy they got mocked and

2516
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,280
Speaker 5: ridiculed for it. He's you know, he's been okay.

2517
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 2: It leads the American League in average.

2518
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but they told me, those same guys

2519
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 5: tell me that average doesn't matter. So I want, you know,

2520
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 5: I want to see more. I'm not, but but all

2521
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 5: of a sudden, there's what you think might be a

2522
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 5: nucleus of four or five players that will be you know,

2523
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 5: obviously Devers is part of that because you invested in

2524
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 5: him long term. You know, maybe Tristan Cassas, he's been

2525
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:25,640
Speaker 5: a little bit better the last month or so than

2526
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 5: he was earlier in the year. So they didn't have

2527
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 5: any of this last year. They didn't have any of this.

2528
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 2: Last year, Rob rights in, I wanted to get some

2529
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 2: quick offseason bantering before things pick up with training camp.

2530
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 2: Won a few shows ago, Fred said white pizza is

2531
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 2: not real pizza. I stand by that. While I agreed

2532
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 2: with the previous statement about Italian subs needing oil vinegar

2533
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 2: to be Italian subs, I think this pizza stance is wrong.

2534
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 2: One of the most revered pizza establishments in the country

2535
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 2: is Pepe's and New Haven. I used to live there,

2536
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 2: and the most famous pie is a white clam pizza.

2537
01:56:55,840 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's not pizza fly fishing. No, And when

2538
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 2: did Brady become the goat? At one point he must

2539
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 2: have been an approachable later round pick that you would

2540
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 2: see in the stadium and could say hello to. When

2541
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 2: did he transcend that in your interactions or did he's.

2542
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,839
Speaker 5: A great question? Huh yeah, you guys are three?

2543
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh you think it was that soon four after two

2544
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 4: titles or on the way to two?

2545
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 5: On the way like he was extremely approachable even in

2546
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 5: oh one while that was going on. Oh no, it

2547
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 5: was well before that.

2548
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's going to be it for this

2549
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. A brand new episode of Catch

2550
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 2: twenty two coming up with Evan and Alex, So stay

2551
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 2: tuned for that. Don't call though it's pre recorded, but

2552
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 2: it is a brand new episode. They had a lot

2553
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 2: to say, so you want to stay tuned for that

2554
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. As for us, we'll see you next Tuesday.

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01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,880
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