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Speaker 1: It is NXT tonight, Dynamite is tomorrow at this past Monday.
Speaker 1: Last night is Raw and man, let me tell you
Speaker 1: at Saturday Night's main event was a four match wrestling show.
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Speaker 1: Was time to do a big reshuffling, and so we
Speaker 1: got nothing but angles on RAW and actually a bunch
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Speaker 1: They are heading towards a Survivor series as well as
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Speaker 1: talks about seth rawlins in his injury. Got a bunch
Speaker 1: of notes from Wrestle Kingdom. We got a new title
Speaker 1: match announced for the show. We'll tell you about the
Speaker 1: attendance and what's going on. There's still no match for Tanahashi,
Speaker 1: but we will get into that. We've also got a
Speaker 1: UFC we talked about this a little bit yesterday, the UH,
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Speaker 3: I owe you all beat up Lance that right?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 3: What a life?
Speaker 5: My hip, my lumbar, my shoulder, things messed up.
Speaker 3: My glute hurts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're a pain in the behind.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, yes, a pain in the ass,
Speaker 1: I can say that, right, Tom.
Speaker 3: Yes you can.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that you check after well, I figured
Speaker 1: that one was all right. Plus it's true I am
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass. The question is how many
Speaker 1: times can I say it before? Remember when when on
Speaker 1: AW they had like a.
Speaker 5: Once per hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could.
Speaker 1: Say you drop an S bomb once per hour, but
Speaker 1: anything more than that you would get in trouble. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: are you ready to feel like that at ninety six?
Speaker 3: Lance?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't fathom making ninety six. For those who
Speaker 5: don't know, Brian's grandmother, the famous Granny double G from
Speaker 5: the Brian and Vinie Show, is ninety six today. Happy birthday, Grannie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Granny's ninety six.
Speaker 1: My dad's birthday Saday too, and my sister's birthday was yesterday.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that it is all true? But yes,
Speaker 1: Granny's ninety six today, and we're gonna have the ninety
Speaker 1: sixth birthday bash on tonight's Brian and Vinnie Show. So
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Speaker 5: Probably not, probably best you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like to tease stuff like that. All right,
Speaker 1: I should mention tonight as NXT. This is the actual
Speaker 1: NXT lineup. I got the whole thing wrong on Observer
Speaker 1: Radio last night. Because they've already started building next week's show,
Speaker 1: which is a much bigger show than this week's show.
Speaker 1: So tonight we've got Javon Evan versus Saquon of the
Speaker 1: what are those geeks Dark State? Yeah, the good news
Speaker 1: is Saquan's the one guy that's great, so him and
Speaker 1: Javon actually should have probably an incredible match. Fatal Influence
Speaker 1: versus Tatum Pasley is he Dame and Lola Ice and
Speaker 1: a six person and then the start of the tournament
Speaker 1: for the vacant speed title. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: excited I.
Speaker 3: Am for that.
Speaker 1: That's coming up tonight, and then of course next next
Speaker 1: Tuesday is the Ricky Saints Trick Williams Last Man Standing match,
Speaker 1: as well as El Grande Americano against Jasper Troy for
Speaker 1: the speed title, who by the way, they beat El
Speaker 1: Grande last night, of course they did. And then tomorrow's
Speaker 1: aw Dynamite. We have got Mercedes Money and Athena versus
Speaker 1: the Babes of Wrath does ever know who they are?
Speaker 5: Willow and Harley.
Speaker 1: Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale. That is the first round
Speaker 1: of the women's tag title tournament. And also Hangman Hook
Speaker 1: and Eddie Kingston versus Simo Joe Shabbada and Powerhouse Hobbs
Speaker 1: and absolutely nothing else so far. So we're back in
Speaker 1: that boat again. Maybe we'll get some more matches announced today.
Speaker 5: When's that million dollar tag match.
Speaker 3: At Full Gear?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Okay, that's not on Dynamite.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: We've got a bunch in New Japan News. So Russell
Speaker 1: Kingdom is January fourth, so we're two months away. We've
Speaker 1: already got four matches, so clearly Tony is not booking
Speaker 1: this one. So we've got Takeshta and Yodasuji title for title,
Speaker 1: the IWGP title versus the IWGP Global Title winner takes
Speaker 1: all in that main event, we have the Hiroshi Tanahashi
Speaker 1: retirement match, and at this point no opponent yet for Tanahashi,
Speaker 1: but Ghetto is vowed he will get him an opponent.
Speaker 1: We have Evil versus the debuting Aaron Wolf, which is
Speaker 1: now for the never Open Weight title. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: his pro wrestling debut. Aaron Wolf is an Olympian Olympic
Speaker 1: gold medal in judo at the twenty twenty Games and
Speaker 1: a huge name in Japan, and he is debuting against Evil,
Speaker 1: who is in fact his trainer. So that's I'm sure
Speaker 1: why that's taking place now. The Never open Weight title
Speaker 1: is on the line, and so if you haven't figured
Speaker 1: it out yet, the story of this year's tokyodom is
Speaker 1: it's time to push some young guys and some new guys.
Speaker 1: And so I would be flabbergasted if Yodasuji did not
Speaker 1: end up win the IWGP title from Takeshta. And obviously
Speaker 1: Aaron Wolf is getting shot out of a cannon on
Speaker 1: day one beating Evil for the Never open Weight title,
Speaker 1: and that's the idea. We need to make new young stars,
Speaker 1: we need to get people going a new generation and uh,
Speaker 1: and that's the idea.
Speaker 5: So I guess yes, it'd make you happy. Yeah, you're
Speaker 5: in favor of new young guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, in theory, like the Hiroshi Tanashi's opponent should
Speaker 1: be Javon Evans and then Javon beats him. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what should happen. I don't think that's what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but it'll probably end up. I think the two names
Speaker 1: most likely to face Tanahashi in his final match are
Speaker 1: probably either maybe Okada or maybe Shinskey Nakamura if they
Speaker 1: can get that done, and that is not an impossibility,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. We've also got Saya Kamatani
Speaker 1: against Su in a winner take all match. New Japan
Speaker 1: Strong Women's title and IWGP Women's title. Both of those
Speaker 1: are on the line, and Tanahashi did do a press
Speaker 1: conference and he did not announce his opponent, but they
Speaker 1: did announce that after selling twenty thousand tickets when they
Speaker 1: went on sale on October first for the Tokyo Dome,
Speaker 1: they are now at thirty one thousand, five hundred and
Speaker 1: forty eight and Tanahashi said, I've heard it's the fastest
Speaker 1: selling event in history. I've never seen such an incredibly
Speaker 1: sold out venue in my career. There's a chance I
Speaker 1: might be able to see that again. I'm a little
Speaker 1: sad it's my retirement match. This will be the very
Speaker 1: last match of my career. I'll be reaching twenty six years.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I leave behind one thing
Speaker 1: that I have not yet accomplished. They have not sold
Speaker 1: thirty thousand tickets since before the pandemic. Night one of
Speaker 1: Russell Kingdom fourteen did forty thousand fans. Night two did
Speaker 1: thirty thousand, and then Russell Kingdom nineteen and January did
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand, down from twenty seven thousand to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty six twenty twenty three. So whatever
Speaker 1: they set it up for, I'm gonna sell out the
Speaker 1: Tokyo Dome and uh, you know, to sell out the
Speaker 1: Tokyo Doome for Tanahashi's last match and also presumably crown
Speaker 1: Yodasuji the NEWIWGP champion and get Aarin Wolf's career off
Speaker 1: to a hot start. I mean, this is all great
Speaker 1: news for New Japan. So they've been kind of in
Speaker 1: a lull of late, sort of a kind of overall
Speaker 1: lack of interest compared to the past. But maybe they
Speaker 1: can start to turn everything around here. We shall see.
Speaker 1: But that's the lineup for the show. When we come
Speaker 1: back from the break, I should will talk about it now.
Speaker 1: Cody did an interview. He's talking about injuries, and he
Speaker 1: made a good point that I had not thought about,
Speaker 1: which is the match was Seth rawlins at Helen a Cell.
Speaker 1: He had a completely torn pack and it was an
Speaker 1: incredible pain. And then they did the match about a
Speaker 1: month ago and Seth apparently tore his rotator cuff and
Speaker 1: basically Cody said, we don't need to wrestle ever again.
Speaker 1: He lost his shoulder. That was the first major injury
Speaker 1: I've ever had. I was glad to be in the
Speaker 1: ring with him that night. It was special, But we
Speaker 1: don't need to do this anymore. Eddie's probably right.
Speaker 5: It's like Matt Hardy and Samy Guevara.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I'll talk more about these injuries after the
Speaker 1: break Observer Life.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: So coding this interview talked about when he was heading
Speaker 1: into Hell in a cell. He said there was a
Speaker 1: drug free policy. Ine wwe very adamant. There's no substance
Speaker 1: abuse in this company anymore.
Speaker 3: None.
Speaker 1: The eighties are over. We got to be healthy, We
Speaker 1: got to be clean. So people ask all the time
Speaker 1: if I any pain medication or anything.
Speaker 3: Of that nature.
Speaker 1: I had four baby aspirn because they didn't even have
Speaker 1: a regular advil.
Speaker 3: I remember the.
Speaker 1: Time being told, Hey, if you're in pain, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stop it. There's nothing to prove here. I'm walking the
Speaker 1: tight rope the whole match. Not sure if they're just
Speaker 1: going to ring the bell, but Seth was a perfect
Speaker 1: person to be in there with. Crazy thing about this
Speaker 1: photo is Seth rolls. I recently wrestled a Crown jewel
Speaker 1: and Seth finally beat me. And so first time anyone's
Speaker 1: ever said this, He says, I want to say he
Speaker 1: tore his rotator cuff. We don't have an actual answer
Speaker 1: on what's with Seth. I know he's got under the knife,
Speaker 1: got surgery, so at this point real not real. Have
Speaker 1: you look at the industry? Him and I are not.
Speaker 3: Good for each other.
Speaker 1: So apparently a torn rotator cuff. You know, it was
Speaker 1: never made public what Set's exact injury was other than
Speaker 1: his shoulder.
Speaker 3: So he's out of action for quite a.
Speaker 1: While with that injury, one way or the other. And
Speaker 1: he said, we don't power through anymore.
Speaker 3: Helen.
Speaker 1: His sell might have been the very last example of hey,
Speaker 1: let's power through. You just have more athlete conscious people today.
Speaker 3: So that's the story. What do you have to say
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 5: Well, you also have guaranteed contracts now where back in
Speaker 5: the day, guys didn't get paid if they didn't work,
Speaker 5: so they hid injuries and use drugs, and it is
Speaker 5: certainly a far better system for all involved. Now.
Speaker 1: Cody also said that his last or his next WWE
Speaker 1: contract is probably going to be his last. He says
Speaker 1: he has a four year old and an eight week old,
Speaker 1: and you can only go so long. I think I
Speaker 1: know my number where I'd like to get with this.
Speaker 1: I was lucky that my dad, who I thought was
Speaker 1: the best dad ever, he was out of the game.
Speaker 1: He was in it as a producer, in it as
Speaker 1: a creator, popping here as an old man wrestler every
Speaker 1: now and then, but he was out of the game.
Speaker 1: So he was number one dad at every game. Coach
Speaker 1: our football team. He's known in Cobb County as coach
Speaker 1: more than the American dream. I'd like to make it
Speaker 1: by the time I hit that age, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gone that often, or I can't really walk around that much,
Speaker 1: so he'll be uh. I guess forty this year, forty
Speaker 1: five and twenty thirty, and.
Speaker 5: He can still sign another five year contract and yeah,
Speaker 5: wrap up a wealthy, happy and hopefully healthy man.
Speaker 1: So we talked to yesterday with Tom. We don't talk
Speaker 1: a lot of UFC here, but the alleged fixed fight
Speaker 1: with Isaac Dulgarian and Yadier del Valle on Saturday. The
Speaker 1: odds shifted dramatically enough in the hours prior to the matchup,
Speaker 1: the FBI and the promotions betting integrity partner both learned
Speaker 1: at UFC to betting irregularities as a rash of bets
Speaker 1: were placed on Dulgarian losing in the first round. They
Speaker 1: asked him and he said, nothing to it. Everything's finest
Speaker 1: on the level. He then proceeded to go in and
Speaker 1: lose in the first round after not fighting a choke
Speaker 1: at all. And I bring this up because this is
Speaker 1: like big news all over it. It's funny because on
Speaker 1: Saturday night Tom texted me and then some people were
Speaker 1: talking about it on Twitter like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: think we just saw a fixed fight, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: like nobody was really talking about it. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about on the show yesterday, and then Dave
Speaker 1: talked about an Observer Radio last night, and then today
Speaker 1: was the day where this is actually getting nash the
Speaker 1: headlines around the country that and I think part of
Speaker 1: it is also because this was also the day that
Speaker 1: some people started coming forward saying I've been offered money
Speaker 1: to fix a fight.
Speaker 3: I've been offered money to fix a fight, and so
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: There was only I forget was it was it, I
Speaker 1: forget who it was. In the nineties, there was there
Speaker 1: was one other fight that people believe one of the
Speaker 1: guys through the fight. But I mean, other than that,
Speaker 1: they've been you know, they've had a good run of
Speaker 1: non fixed fights and so well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now this one is.
Speaker 1: Nothing is more important to the integrity of our sport,
Speaker 1: said UFC, which is true, but it's just funny to
Speaker 1: read that line. The Survivor series theme song war Pigs.
Speaker 1: If you recall they promoted on television. I think it
Speaker 1: was on SmackDown. They were like, if you download this song,
Speaker 1: make sure you download the Judas Priest and Ozzy Osbourne version.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's kind of weird to specify that,
Speaker 1: But apparently the reason they're doing that is because all
Speaker 1: proceeds from the sale of the song will be going
Speaker 1: to charity. It's going to be donated to the Glenn
Speaker 1: Tipton Parkinson's Foundation, charity founded by the band's guitarist. Osborne
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with Parkinson's a twenty nineteen passed away in July.
Speaker 1: His Triple H said, Ozzy Osbourne's music has been a
Speaker 1: part of the soundtrack of my life. I was likely
Speaker 1: to be a fan eventually call him a friend. This year,
Speaker 1: all prophets from the sale of Ozzi Judas Priests version
Speaker 1: of Warpigs will be donated to the Glenn Tipton Parkinson's
Speaker 1: Foundation and Cure Parkinson support this iconic sound and.
Speaker 3: This great cause for Ozzy.
Speaker 1: The song was originally performed by Black Sabbath, has been
Speaker 1: the theme song for Survivor series since it was adopted
Speaker 1: the war games format in twenty twenty two. So this year,
Speaker 1: make sure you download the right one because it will
Speaker 1: help out a lot, you know, was it?
Speaker 3: Anyway? I'll talk about that later because I forgot House
Speaker 3: of Torture's Purge Night of Torture.
Speaker 1: You want to see a you ever wanted to see
Speaker 1: a show promoted by the House of Torture. It's like
Speaker 1: that old NWA pay per view or the NW pay perview.
Speaker 1: Remember the NW pay per view sold out? That was
Speaker 1: one of the freaking worst shows of all time, the
Speaker 1: NW pay per view. Yes, well, now the House of
Speaker 1: Torture is promoting Perge Night of Torture November nineteenth, Corkenhall
Speaker 1: and Tokyo lineup as Evil versus Shot Skywalker, Chase Owen's
Speaker 1: Bad Luck Falle and Kennamaru versus a Shi Masa Masato
Speaker 1: Tanaka a Kudo Hadaka and Dick Togo and Arina versus
Speaker 1: the Great sask at Hanzo House of Tortures.
Speaker 5: At least they'll have fans there. It wasn't sold out
Speaker 5: empty arena.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they had fans there.
Speaker 5: I thought the nWo one was an empty arena one.
Speaker 3: I'll have to think about this.
Speaker 5: Well, get the chat going, see who can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, firm, I don't seem to recall that being in.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there being no fans there For that.
Speaker 5: I thought there was a black and white nWo show
Speaker 5: and there was no fans and it was atrocious.
Speaker 3: Sleep Well, it might have done a TV like that.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe that's possible, all right.
Speaker 1: If you have questions, text it's four to five seven
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Speaker 1: We got a couple of minutes here before the break
Speaker 1: and we'll do raw when we come back. So let's
Speaker 1: see what's in the text message been here?
Speaker 3: Anybody got anything?
Speaker 1: I suppose it says you should poll the Tick to
Speaker 1: replace Paul Leveck.
Speaker 3: It's head of creative for we.
Speaker 5: Oh you were me. I don't want that job, man
Speaker 5: oh man. Hours in the day that job takes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it takes a lot. You know this this
Speaker 1: past it was funny this weekend. It's like, first you
Speaker 1: had the SmackDown that did like four thousand fans and
Speaker 1: everyone decided that the you know ship hit the iceberg,
Speaker 1: and then Saturday there was the Saturday night's main event.
Speaker 1: Hunter wasn't even there, and then it was just like
Speaker 1: four matches with no angles. I mean, listen, I like wrestling,
Speaker 1: I like finishes, but I watched that show live, which
Speaker 1: means I watch an hour of downtime and then an
Speaker 1: hour of four matches, and by the end I was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of bored, like can we have one angle
Speaker 1: or something? So, you know, there were people talking this
Speaker 1: weekend like, you know, should should we be replacing Olavek here?
Speaker 1: Cause man, this is not an exciting show and it's boring.
Speaker 1: He's not even there. Attendance is down. Then Monday comes
Speaker 1: ross completely sold out. Fans are going wild, bunch of
Speaker 1: great matches, nothing but angles up and down the show.
Speaker 1: They made some big changes and and it fell hot again,
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it continues on. They're still averaging
Speaker 1: eleven seven hundred fans this year, so but one bad
Speaker 1: night on Halloween by the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're also just getting ready to kick start and
Speaker 5: start the road to wrestle Mania, Like this is traditionally
Speaker 5: getting ready to start getting hot and interesting, not the
Speaker 5: peak season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this person says, Lance, have you read Cobra Clutch
Speaker 1: by Aj Devlin. It's about a former indie wrestler turned
Speaker 1: private investigator. The first book involves finding another worker's kidnapped snake.
Speaker 5: No, I have not.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a recommendation for you there.
Speaker 1: This person says, what was your best match that you
Speaker 1: worked in the HYEWF? Well, that's out of that blue here,
Speaker 1: you know. I I don't remember. That was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but I do remember. I do remember one thing.
Speaker 1: We had a guy who watched the show on public
Speaker 1: access and he was rich, and he thought that this
Speaker 1: thing had the potential to be huge and so he
Speaker 1: started sponsoring these shows. Like he gave us money to
Speaker 1: print flyers. He gave us money to do this or that.
Speaker 1: And I do remember that there was a y WF
Speaker 1: title match where I lost the belt to the Iron Man,
Speaker 1: and when it was over, this guy said, when you
Speaker 1: lost that belt, I shed a tear. Therefore, I think
Speaker 1: that must have been my best match.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 5: He wasn't rich at the time. But you know who
Speaker 5: watched Chris Jerich when I wrestle on cable access television once?
Speaker 3: Who's at the rock?
Speaker 5: Really he saw our ladder match that we did in
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Albarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Can the show Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, land
Speaker 1: Storm meaning us here today?
Speaker 3: Do you watched Raw last night?
Speaker 5: I watched most of it last night and the rest
Speaker 5: this morning.
Speaker 3: What'd you think? Uh?
Speaker 5: Like every week there was stuff I liked and stuff
Speaker 5: I didn't. I think, to me, the one thing I
Speaker 5: would have done differently, I would have put the Bronze
Speaker 5: versus sum Punk tag match earlier in the show and
Speaker 5: main evented with the World Tag Team Titles to try
Speaker 5: to make championships mean something. The World Tag Titles was
Speaker 5: booked last week and promoted for a week, so you
Speaker 5: could have used the announcement and excuse that. I know
Speaker 5: you guys want to go at it tonight, but we've
Speaker 5: already got a promoted main event, so we will fit
Speaker 5: you into the show and do that match in the
Speaker 5: middle of the show. It gets the crappy double count
Speaker 5: out finish done earlier in the show and allows you
Speaker 5: to go off the air with a clean babyface win
Speaker 5: and send everybody home happy. I would have preferred that
Speaker 5: tag title match because it was great to close the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree, but I know why they
Speaker 1: did it because they wanted that big. That's a big
Speaker 1: angle they did, and it's going to lead to the
Speaker 1: main eventa Survivor series, and so I think they wanted
Speaker 1: that to be the last thing you remember going off
Speaker 1: the air. But it opened up with see him Punk
Speaker 1: coming out as the new world champion. He cut a
Speaker 1: big promo, long promo and thanked everybody and talked about
Speaker 1: how seth if he came back from the injury and
Speaker 1: tried to mess with him, he put him back on
Speaker 1: the shelf and talked about all the people he wanted
Speaker 1: to wrestle for the title.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a.
Speaker 1: Fighting champion, said he'd face anybody from JD McDonald a
Speaker 1: Shamus to John Cena, and of all people, out came
Speaker 1: Logan Paul, at which point Punk said, no, anybody.
Speaker 3: But bang it, anybody but you.
Speaker 1: He goes go to SmackDown and face Heliot Dragonov and
Speaker 1: Logan said, you said anybody? He said, I've been in
Speaker 1: the ring with everybody, Sena Roman, I beat aj at
Speaker 1: Russell Mania and he's going on and on, and out
Speaker 1: come Paul and Braun and they go back and forth
Speaker 1: and they both want a shot at Punk, and Logan says,
Speaker 1: I was here first, So Broun says, too bad, I'm
Speaker 1: not waiting, and the Heels end up getting into the
Speaker 1: ring and Punk says Logan, you either fight or you
Speaker 1: get out of here. And Logan goes to get out
Speaker 1: of there, but the Heels won't let him leave, and
Speaker 1: so they throw him into the side of the ring.
Speaker 1: They get in the ring to kill Punk. Logan makes
Speaker 1: a baby face come back and uh and Trice helped
Speaker 1: clear the ring, but they double team him and Bronson
Speaker 1: hits him with the tsunami. Punk then returns with a
Speaker 1: chair to make the save and Uh, you know this
Speaker 1: old Helms.
Speaker 5: Like Shane Helms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy's on my list today.
Speaker 5: I'm quite sure he'll lose sleep over that.
Speaker 1: This This segment went ten minutes long, and I was
Speaker 1: told that they were scrambling to get the next segment
Speaker 1: out there. I tweeted this out and then you know,
Speaker 1: everyone did stories on it that this they were scrambling it.
Speaker 1: And he went online and he goes, yeah, we were scrambling.
Speaker 1: There were dogs barking and chandeliers swinging. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it, buddy, let me tell you that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is up with that Helms? Anyway, Stephanie and Nicky
Speaker 1: Bella versus Rock Sand and Raquel. This was a good match,
Speaker 1: very good match. And here's the good news about the match.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a match itself. So Rock Sand is
Speaker 1: apparently fine, worked fine in this match. Stefanie but cares knee,
Speaker 1: It's apparently fine. She also worked fine in this match.
Speaker 5: Although she did grab it and sell it once.
Speaker 1: She did once and h and Nicki Bella didn't kill anybody,
Speaker 1: and actually I thought she looked really good in this match.
Speaker 1: So in the end she got pinned. Uh, Raquel clabbered
Speaker 1: Nicki behind the ref's back because you can't hit the
Speaker 1: illegal person. Cannot hit the legal person in a tag
Speaker 1: match unless it's breaking up a pin or it's a DQ.
Speaker 3: That's the stupidest rule.
Speaker 5: It's one of the greatest things when NXT talent comes
Speaker 5: to TNA, because we'll do tag matches and they'll be like,
Speaker 5: we can't do that. I'm like, that's not a rule here,
Speaker 5: you can do that. They're like, well, we might get
Speaker 5: in try. I'm like, I don't care, these are our rules.
Speaker 5: We're doing it ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So Raquel Clauber Nicki Roxanne hit the pop Rocks for
Speaker 1: the pin and so as a result of Nicki getting pinned,
Speaker 1: Raquel gets a shot at Stephanie next week.
Speaker 3: Whatever. That was that good match.
Speaker 5: Though, they're right, why does Raquel and not Roxane get
Speaker 5: the title shot?
Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't know. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of questions I could ask about this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So they have a tumbler backstage, Adam Pierce's drawing names.
Speaker 3: So here's the deal.
Speaker 1: They're having a tournament to determine who gets to face
Speaker 1: John Cena. The tournament starts next week. We have the
Speaker 1: Bane of my existence, no brackets. What they want is
Speaker 1: to they want some surprises. So they don't want to
Speaker 1: just put a graphic up with like all the surprise
Speaker 1: names on there, and it's like, God, I get it.
Speaker 3: You want Okay, listen.
Speaker 1: If you want surprises, then I would accept pulling names
Speaker 1: out of a hat for qualifiers. And then once you've
Speaker 1: got all the qualifiers, when that's when your surprises show up,
Speaker 1: then you populate the bracket or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like, these are.
Speaker 1: The these are matches in the tournament, but we have
Speaker 1: no bracket.
Speaker 3: Whose side is who on? What's going on? So that
Speaker 3: was irritating.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna pull two more names on Friday or
Speaker 1: two more matches, so four names, but like, god, why
Speaker 1: is this so hard?
Speaker 3: What can you know?
Speaker 1: One the worst, actually, the one that irritated me actually
Speaker 1: the most, was when aw said that they were gonna
Speaker 1: have brackets and then they they like put empty brackets
Speaker 1: on the screen. I was like, that is specifically trolling me.
Speaker 1: You put brackets up, but there's no names in them.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they've officially not doing the only people
Speaker 5: that have never faced.
Speaker 1: Seen him, Yes, apparently it's anybody. Punk ranted at Jay
Speaker 1: Uso backstage. Jay offered to help him tonight. Punk didn't
Speaker 1: know if he could trust him. Jay said, you can
Speaker 1: trust me. One of these guys is turning El Grande
Speaker 1: Americano versus Penta. This is also a very good match.
Speaker 1: We had the two Loas Americanos outside. First, Bravo tries
Speaker 1: to interfere, he gets ejected. Ryo then gives a Grande
Speaker 1: the metal plate, loads his mask. He then interferes, The
Speaker 1: referee jects him. Penta dives onto him instead and wipes
Speaker 1: him out. Gets in the ring. Elgrande tries the head
Speaker 1: buttt but Penna boots him, hits the destroyer and wins.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a good match and a great finish,
Speaker 1: and the fans went wild.
Speaker 5: And we found out that Bravo was spelled with five rs.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 5: That's what they said on commentary.
Speaker 3: Well, so he's a Bravo m hm, So make sure.
Speaker 5: You all your reports that you write up put five rs.
Speaker 1: In, like rush KLOOKI Warriors promo.
Speaker 3: These two are great. You think I'm mad about brackets?
Speaker 5: Are you aware that these promo segments backstage or almost
Speaker 5: carbon copies of what TNA did well Impact back then
Speaker 5: did with the Lucha Bros. Great, Yeah, they're awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is Oscar speaks pretty much perfect English,
Speaker 1: but she does this gimmick that she doesn't and actually
Speaker 1: she's a better promo I think in Japanese and in English,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know what she's talking about. So anyway,
Speaker 1: they're the best great segments. Dom came out for a promo.
Speaker 1: He's both booed and cheered wildly depending on what happens.
Speaker 1: So he calls himself the greatest Lucidor of all time
Speaker 1: and outcomes Ray Masterio. The fans go nuts. They announce
Speaker 1: he is medically cleared. He cuts a promo and he says, Dom,
Speaker 1: you look surprised. I don't care if you call yourself
Speaker 1: the best champion of all time, but you cannot call
Speaker 1: yourself the greatest, the king of the Lucidors. He says,
Speaker 1: how can you be the best lucator of all time?
Speaker 1: What about Al Santo, Blue Demon, Eddie Guerrero. Eddie's the
Speaker 1: only guy that got a pop. The fans had no
Speaker 1: idea who El Santo.
Speaker 5: Was or Eddie got a huge pop.
Speaker 1: Actually, Blue Demon got a louder pop than El Santo
Speaker 1: by a little bit. I think, because there actually is
Speaker 1: a Blue Demon Junior. And uh, and there's actually been
Speaker 1: news about Blue Demon Junior because he gotten that car wreck.
Speaker 1: So I think, actually, right now more people know about
Speaker 1: Blue Demon than El Santo, which is astonishing. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Dom says, keep your keep my father's name out of
Speaker 1: your mouth, which is funny because if you knew how
Speaker 1: many times when I'm writing a report I write Dominic
Speaker 1: Guerrero instead of Dominic Mysterio, you'd be astonished. But like
Speaker 1: in storyline number one, he's doing the Eddie Guerrero gimmick,
Speaker 1: he's not doing the Ray Mysterio gimmick. And also in storyline,
Speaker 1: his father was Eddie, remember m hm.
Speaker 5: I also found it interesting that he said king of
Speaker 5: the Luchadors, considering that Ray Mysterio the Ray is actually king.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it was Ray Phoenix actually mm hmm yeah, king
Speaker 1: of and the Phoenix King. But anyway, they get into
Speaker 1: a big argument and Dom tries to attack him. Ray
Speaker 1: hits the six to one nine, goes for the drop
Speaker 1: the dime, but Dom Bale's great segment and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun match whenever they end up doing it,
Speaker 1: probably in Ray's hometown and Dom's of San Diego. We
Speaker 1: had Becky showing up to do a promo where she
Speaker 1: basically complained about everything and threatened Max Sine dupre great
Speaker 1: Delivery fans ate it up.
Speaker 3: It was a good little segment.
Speaker 5: Very angry woman, she really is.
Speaker 1: Then we had the Kabuki Warriors against Bailey and Lyra.
Speaker 1: This was a great television match, and I thought Oscar
Speaker 1: and Lyral were great together.
Speaker 3: I thought that they were the two.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think they were the two best in the
Speaker 1: entire match, but everybody looked good, and finally Oscar attracted Lyra.
Speaker 1: Kyrie hit the double foot stump, but Bailey broke it up.
Speaker 1: Lyra finally goes for a dive and Oscar hatches her
Speaker 1: in an Oscar locke out of mid air and submits her.
Speaker 3: So next week it is Charlotte.
Speaker 1: And Alexa defending the tag titles against the Kabuki Warriors.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you think I'm mad about brackets.
Speaker 1: If Oscar Kyrie do not win these titles, get it.
Speaker 5: The rants are coming.
Speaker 1: You hear that Hurricane Finn and JD were celebrating guys
Speaker 1: want to know an Easter Egg. So every time they
Speaker 1: have one of these segments backstage, every time that Roxanne
Speaker 1: and Dom end up alone together, there's always a picture
Speaker 1: of live in the background, And it was very obvious
Speaker 1: on this show and the crowd even pop for it
Speaker 1: when they saw it, so she told him to go
Speaker 1: out and help Judgment Day tonight even though they didn't
Speaker 1: want him to. So it's AJ and Dragon Lever's the
Speaker 1: Judgment Day tag team titles. This match was also great.
Speaker 1: Crowd's going nuts for this match.
Speaker 5: This was my favorite match of the night.
Speaker 1: It was great and Dom of course, Finn tells him
Speaker 1: to go get the belt so he can waffle somebody
Speaker 1: with it, but Dom of course gets caught by the referee.
Speaker 1: Seamus flies in kills Dom. The ref goes after Shamus,
Speaker 1: Finn hits Aj with a shell, le JD makes cover,
Speaker 1: Dragon breaks it up. Fans are buzzing at this point,
Speaker 1: and then AJ ends up catching Dom as he's coming
Speaker 1: off the ropes, hits him with the Clash.
Speaker 3: Or not Dom.
Speaker 1: Finn and hits the styles clash and gets the pin
Speaker 1: or no JD whoever he hit keep trying but one.
Speaker 1: I don't proof for you these things. Someone else does that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but AJ one is the point and it was a
Speaker 1: great match. Dom screwed up again and I liked it.
Speaker 1: Then we had a segment my god NICKI meeting with Stephanie.
Speaker 1: She's turning a heel on this lady, for sure. It
Speaker 1: was painfully obvious in this segment. Then we had Paul
Speaker 1: trying to recruit Jay Uso. They announced russeven, Damien and
Speaker 1: Shinske and Seamus for the tournament next week minus brackets,
Speaker 1: and then the main event was Braun and Braun versus
Speaker 1: Jay and Punk, and really it wasn't much of a match,
Speaker 1: and then everyone's brawling outside that I counted out.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, Although I will say this,
Speaker 5: if you're gonna give me that bad of a finish,
Speaker 5: I don't want a long, great match.
Speaker 1: That's true, but god, what an awful you know what?
Speaker 1: It was actually much worse because the rest of the
Speaker 1: show was so great. It which is like one grade match,
Speaker 1: grade match, grade match, cool finish, cool finish, and then
Speaker 1: slow match with a count out.
Speaker 5: God and then a Russo swerve.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, they do the big brawl and the
Speaker 1: brawl goes on for like hours on end, and then
Speaker 1: finally Logan flies in with the Brass Knuts to back
Speaker 1: up the baby Faces, but of course he turns on
Speaker 1: Punk and lays him out and then presents the brass
Speaker 1: Knuckles to Paul Hayman. He is now in the vision
Speaker 1: and everybody was asking if he's taken theory spot. I
Speaker 1: actually don't think so. I think he's in seth spot.
Speaker 1: So there is still a spot for theory if they
Speaker 1: end up doing that back in the moment.
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