WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: Jesus Christ in Texas, by W.E.B. DuBois

0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media. Hello and welcome to Cool Zone Media

0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:10.960
<v Speaker 1>book Club. The only book club where you don't have

0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to do the reading is I do it for you.

0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy and today this week we

0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.279
<v Speaker 1>are continuing our loose Black August theme. We like to

0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.479
<v Speaker 1>be loose with themes because it gives us a little

0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.280
<v Speaker 1>bit more freedom Black August as if you want to

0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.920
<v Speaker 1>hear me and Prince Shakur talk about it more at length,

0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.760
<v Speaker 1>go back a couple episodes to the beginning of August

0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six and you can hear us talk about it.

0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>But in general black liberation. Prisoners should be liberated as

0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.320
<v Speaker 1>part of black liberation. And our theme is loose this

0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.720
<v Speaker 1>week because, to be honest, we had a bunch of

0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.879
<v Speaker 1>leads out for stories that we still have out. But

0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it actually it takes a while to track down authors

0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and get all the permissions and do everything right, and

0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.640
<v Speaker 1>so sometimes we end up doing old stories. And if

0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you the truth, when we started off doing

0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.320
<v Speaker 1>old stories, it was because I didn't have anything else.

0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh crap, what can I do without

0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.440
<v Speaker 1>getting permission in time? And the answer is old stories.

0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.560
<v Speaker 1>The answer is the public domain. But the thing is,

0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I read history all the time. I do it for

0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:27.360
<v Speaker 1>a living, and I actually really enjoy getting the chance

0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to read old fiction because it helps me understand the

0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.480
<v Speaker 1>history that I read. I think that fiction and literature

0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.039
<v Speaker 1>are just such an important thing to understand about periods

0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that we want to understand better, not just because fiction

0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't just tell you how people acted in the time

0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.320
<v Speaker 1>period that it's being written, but it also tells you

0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.160
<v Speaker 1>about the author and what an author, like an actual

0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>real person, was thinking about and wanted to express in

0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a given time. And actually it tells us so much.

0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So I'm actually really excited about this story. I'm excited

0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to read you another story from W. E. B. Du Bois,

0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And we did a story of his called The Comet

0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.720
<v Speaker 1>earlier this year. You might remember it. It was about

0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.000
<v Speaker 1>two people who have survived what seemed like the end

0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of the world in New York City, a black man

0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and a white woman, and they're trying to figure that out.

0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And I was really excited to read du bois stories

0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.920
<v Speaker 1>because I run across to boys in my history work

0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:32.799
<v Speaker 1>all of the time. He is one of the most

0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.560
<v Speaker 1>important black theorists from the turn of the century a

0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.200
<v Speaker 1>foundational thinker that so many people's work is based on,

0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and also kind of most specifically to me, the thing

0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.959
<v Speaker 1>that he really changed my understanding about the world with

0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:55.120
<v Speaker 1>is his conception of the general strike that happened during

0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the American Civil War and how what won the American

0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Civil War war was black enslaved people withholding their labor

0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:10.120
<v Speaker 1>from the South and turning their entire agricultural economy to dust.

0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's how you win wars. Is Battlefield victories are

0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:21.280
<v Speaker 1>great and they're important, but removing your opponent's ability to

0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.919
<v Speaker 1>feed itself and create weapons is the actual way that

0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:31.720
<v Speaker 1>most wars get won. And so instead of this version

0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of the American Civil War where like good white people

0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.840
<v Speaker 1>came and saved the people the enslaved people of the South,

0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:46.000
<v Speaker 1>an actual narrative is that the enslaved people freed themselves

0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.560
<v Speaker 1>with incredible help from northerners, white and black. But it's

0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.680
<v Speaker 1>just a really important way of thinking about things, and

0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what du Bois has done for us. So I'm

0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.200
<v Speaker 1>excited to read his fiction. Dubois was one of the

0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>founders of the NAACP was the longtime editor of its newspaper,

0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.960
<v Speaker 1>The Crisis which is a fantastic name for a paper.

0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And the story we're going to read today is more

0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.040
<v Speaker 1>on the intent side. Like its name suggests, this story

0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.320
<v Speaker 1>is about Jesus Christ in Texas, but it's also about

0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the chain gangs and the prison system and the post

0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.840
<v Speaker 1>bellum South and the turn of the century South. It's

0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.640
<v Speaker 1>also about lynching, and it's about some of the more

0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.720
<v Speaker 1>mundane racism and exclusion that black folk can racialize folks

0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.320
<v Speaker 1>deal with in contemporary du Bois's time. So you know, again,

0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.360
<v Speaker 1>content warning for that kind of stuff. And of course

0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.640
<v Speaker 1>when the editor bleeps out the N word, I'm not

0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.080
<v Speaker 1>actually saying the word. Just want to clear that up

0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.159
<v Speaker 1>for everybody. Like the story of the comment, this story

0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.680
<v Speaker 1>is full of religious imagery, and it's worth noting that

0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Dubois himself was not particularly religious, but instead as pulling

0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.080
<v Speaker 1>from the broader tropes around salvation, goodness, sacrifice, and transcendence

0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that would have been available to him at this time.

0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.480
<v Speaker 1>And of course the long and complicated history of the

0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Black church and black liberation, which looks very different than

0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.520
<v Speaker 1>white leftism. It just looks different. It's not entirely different,

0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.640
<v Speaker 1>but it just looks very different, right, and so when

0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you're listening, just note that this is less evangelicizing and

0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.440
<v Speaker 1>listen more for the meaning behind how Dubois is describing

0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Jesus and using him for a literary shorthand. And this

0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.840
<v Speaker 1>story does u's language that would have been familiar to

0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.400
<v Speaker 1>du Bois in his community, but feel stated today. The

0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.320
<v Speaker 1>original text also contains racial slurs for effect, and these

0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:38.200
<v Speaker 1>have been bleeped out. Here we go Jesus Christ in

0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Texas by W. E. B. Du Bois. It was in Waco, Texas.

0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.640
<v Speaker 1>The convict guard laughed. I don't know, he said, I

0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.640
<v Speaker 1>hadn't thought of that. He hesitated and looked at the

0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:57.080
<v Speaker 1>stranger curiously in the solemn twilight. He got an impression

0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.440
<v Speaker 1>of unusual height and soft, dark eye. Curious sort of

0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.039
<v Speaker 1>acquaintance for the colonel, he thought. And then he continued aloud,

0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.000
<v Speaker 1>but that there is bad, a born thief, and ought

0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to be sent up for life. Got ten years. Last time. Here,

0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the voice of the promoter talking within broke in. He

0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.160
<v Speaker 1>was bending over his figures, sitting by the colonel. He

0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.719
<v Speaker 1>was slight, with a sharp nose. The convicts, he said,

0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.080
<v Speaker 1>would cost us ninety six dollars a year, and bored. Well,

0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we can squeeze this so that it won't be over

0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.839
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty five dollars apiece. Now, if these

0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.160
<v Speaker 1>fellows are driven, they can build this line within twelve months.

0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.800
<v Speaker 1>It will be running by next April. Freights will fall

0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent. Why, man, you'll be a millionaire in less

0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.720
<v Speaker 1>than ten years, the colonel started. He was a thick,

0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.400
<v Speaker 1>short man, with a clean shaven face and a certain

0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.640
<v Speaker 1>air of breeding about the lines of his countenance. The

0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:00.240
<v Speaker 1>word millionaire sounded well to his ears, he thought a

0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.360
<v Speaker 1>great deal. He almost heard the puff of the fearfully

0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.760
<v Speaker 1>costly automobile that was coming up the road, and he said,

0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I suppose we might as well hire them. Of course,

0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.120
<v Speaker 1>answered the promoter. The voice of the tall stranger in

0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the corner broke in here. It will be a good

0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.920
<v Speaker 1>thing for them, he said, half in question. The colonel moved.

0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.360
<v Speaker 1>The guard makes strange friends. He thought to himself, what's

0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.840
<v Speaker 1>this man doing here? Anyway? He looked at him, or

0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.640
<v Speaker 1>rather looked at his eyes, and then somehow he felt

0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.240
<v Speaker 1>a warming toward him. He said, well, at least it

0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:42.240
<v Speaker 1>can't harm them, they're beyond that. It will do them good. Then,

0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.680
<v Speaker 1>said the stranger. Again. The promoter shrugged his shoulders. It

0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.720
<v Speaker 1>will do us good, he said, But the colonel shook

0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.160
<v Speaker 1>his head impatiently. He felt a desire to justify himself

0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.320
<v Speaker 1>before those eyes, and he answered, yes, it will do

0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.680
<v Speaker 1>them good, or at any rate, it won't make them

0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.600
<v Speaker 1>anyway worse than they are. Then he started to say

0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.560
<v Speaker 1>something else, but here, sure enough, the sound of the

0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.320
<v Speaker 1>automobile breathing at the gate stopped him, and they all arose.

0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.800
<v Speaker 1>It's settled, then, said the promoter. Yes, said the colonel,

0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.880
<v Speaker 1>turning toward the stranger again. Are you going into town,

0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.600
<v Speaker 1>he asked, with the southern courtesy of white men to

0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.320
<v Speaker 1>white men in a country town. The stranger said he was. Then,

0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.480
<v Speaker 1>come along in my machine. I want to talk with

0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you about this. They went out to the car. The

0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.800
<v Speaker 1>stranger as he went turned around to look back at

0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the convict. He was a tall, powerfully built black fellow.

0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.240
<v Speaker 1>His face was sullen, with a low forehead, thick hanging lips,

0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and bitter eyes. There was revolt written about his mouth

0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.480
<v Speaker 1>despite the hang dog expression. He stood bending over his

0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:57.000
<v Speaker 1>pile of stones, pounding listlessly. Beside him stood a boy

0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:02.360
<v Speaker 1>of twelve yellow with a hunted look. The convict raised

0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.439
<v Speaker 1>his eyes and they met the eyes of the stranger.

0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.040
<v Speaker 1>The hammer fell from his hands. The stranger turned slowly

0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.439
<v Speaker 1>toward the automobile, and the colonel introduced him. He had

0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.600
<v Speaker 1>not exactly caught his name, but he mumbled something as

0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.840
<v Speaker 1>he presented him to his wife and the little girl,

0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.959
<v Speaker 1>who were waiting. As they whirled away, the colonel started

0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to talk, but the stranger had taken the little girl

0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.520
<v Speaker 1>into his lap, and together they conversed in low tones

0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.760
<v Speaker 1>all the way home. In some way they did not

0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.560
<v Speaker 1>know exactly how, they got the impression that the man

0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.680
<v Speaker 1>was a teacher, and of course he must be a foreigner.

0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.240
<v Speaker 1>The long cloaklike coat told this. They rode in the

0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.240
<v Speaker 1>twilight through the lighted town, and at last drew up

0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.800
<v Speaker 1>before the colonel's mansion with its ghost like pillars. The

0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.319
<v Speaker 1>lady in the back seat was thinking of the guests

0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.960
<v Speaker 1>she had invited to dinner, and was wondering if she

0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.439
<v Speaker 1>ought not ask this man to stay. He seemed cultured,

0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and she supposed he was some acquaintance of the colonel.

0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It would be rather interesting to have him there with

0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the judge's wife and daughter, and the rector. She spoke

0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.160
<v Speaker 1>almost before she thought, you will enter and rest Awhile

0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the colonel and the little girl insisted for a moment,

0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the stranger seemed about to refuse. He said he had

0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.959
<v Speaker 1>some business for his father about town. Then, for the

0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.560
<v Speaker 1>child's sake, he consented. Up the steps they went and

0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.320
<v Speaker 1>into the dark parlor, where they sat and talked a

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.080
<v Speaker 1>long time. It was a curious conversation. Afterwards they did

0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not remember exactly what was said, and yet they all

0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:42.960
<v Speaker 1>remembered a certain strange satisfaction in that long, low talk. Finally,

0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the nurse came for the reluctant child, and the hostess

0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.600
<v Speaker 1>bethought herself, we will have a cup of tea. You

0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.719
<v Speaker 1>will be dry and tired. She rang and switched on

0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.280
<v Speaker 1>a blaze of light with one accord. They all looked

0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.679
<v Speaker 1>at the stranger, for they had hardly seen him well

0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in the looming twilight. The woman started in amazement, and

0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the colonel half rose in anger. Why the man was

0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.160
<v Speaker 1>a mulatto. Surely, even if he did not own the

0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Negro blood, their practiced eyes knew it. He was tall

0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and straight, and the coat looked like a Jewish garbadine.

0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.680
<v Speaker 1>His hair hung in close curls far down the sides

0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of his face, and his face was olive, even yellow.

0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.280
<v Speaker 1>A peremptory order rose to the colonel's lips and froze

0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.880
<v Speaker 1>there as he caught the stranger's eyes. Those eyes, Where

0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.440
<v Speaker 1>had he seen those eyes before? He remembered them long

0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.559
<v Speaker 1>years ago, the soft, tear filled eyes of a brown girl.

0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.079
<v Speaker 1>He remembered many things, and his face grew drawn and white.

0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Those eyes kept burning into him, even when they were

0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.600
<v Speaker 1>turned half away toward the staircase, where the white figure

0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.360
<v Speaker 1>of the child hovered with her nurse and waved good night.

0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.679
<v Speaker 1>The lady sank into her chair and thought, what will

0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the judge's wife say? How did the colonel come to

0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.680
<v Speaker 1>invite this man here? How shall we be rid of him?

0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.920
<v Speaker 1>She looked at the Colonel in reproachful consternation. Just then

0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the door opened and the old butler came in. He

0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.120
<v Speaker 1>was an ancient black man with tufted white hair, and

0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.880
<v Speaker 1>he held before him a large silver tray filled with

0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a china tea service. The stranger rose slowly and stretched

0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.280
<v Speaker 1>forth his hands as if to bless the viands. The

0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.920
<v Speaker 1>old man paused in bewilderment. Tottered, and then, with a

0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.160
<v Speaker 1>sudden gladness in his eyes, dropped to his knees, and

0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the tray crashed to the floor. My Lord and my God,

0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:46.880
<v Speaker 1>he whispered. And unrelated to things like that, dear listener,

0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.840
<v Speaker 1>unrelated to things that rule over us in the heavens

0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.200
<v Speaker 1>are the advertisers, the advertisers that support the show. Here

0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:15.199
<v Speaker 1>they are hand We're back, my Lord and my God,

0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:22.520
<v Speaker 1>he whispered. But the woman screamed, mother's china. The doorbell rang. Heavens,

0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.640
<v Speaker 1>here's the dinner party, exclaimed the lady. She turned toward

0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the door, but there in the hall, clad in her

0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.280
<v Speaker 1>night clothes, was the little girl. She had stolen down

0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the stairs to see the stranger again, and the nurse

0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.040
<v Speaker 1>above was calling in vain. The woman felt hysterical and

0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.199
<v Speaker 1>scolded at the nurse. But the stranger had stretched out

0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.880
<v Speaker 1>his arms, and with a glad cry, the child nestled

0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.480
<v Speaker 1>in them. They had caught some words about the Kingdom

0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of heaven as he slowly mounted the stairs with his

0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.959
<v Speaker 1>little white burden. The mother was glad of anything to

0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.120
<v Speaker 1>get rid of the interloper, even for a moment. The

0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.400
<v Speaker 1>bell rang again, she hastened toward the door, which the

0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.040
<v Speaker 1>loitering black maid was just opening. She did not notice

0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the shadow of the stranger as he came slowly down

0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the stairs and paused by the nwel post. Dark and silent,

0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the judge's wife came in. She was an old woman,

0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.920
<v Speaker 1>frilled and powdered into a semblance of youth, and gorgeously gowned.

0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.320
<v Speaker 1>She came forward, smiling with extended hands. But when she

0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.160
<v Speaker 1>was opposite the stranger, somewhere a chill seemed to strike her,

0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and she shuddered and cried, what a draft. As she

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.600
<v Speaker 1>drew a silken shawl about her and shook hands cordially,

0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.360
<v Speaker 1>she forgot to ask who the stranger was. The judge

0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.640
<v Speaker 1>strode in unsea, thinking of a puzzling case of theft.

0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Huh what? Oh? Or yes, good evening, he said, good evening.

0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Behind them came a young woman in the glory of

0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.040
<v Speaker 1>youth and daintily silked, beautiful and face and form, with

0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.640
<v Speaker 1>diamonds around her fair neck. She came in lightly, but

0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.640
<v Speaker 1>stopped with a little gasp. Then she laughed gaily and said,

0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.640
<v Speaker 1>why I beg your pardon? Was it not curious? I

0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.000
<v Speaker 1>thought I saw there behind your man she hesitated. But

0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.400
<v Speaker 1>he must be a servant, she argued, the shadow of

0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.960
<v Speaker 1>great white wings it was, but the light on the drapery.

0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.800
<v Speaker 1>What a turn it gave me, she smiled again. With

0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.000
<v Speaker 1>her came a tall, handsome young naval officer here and

0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.280
<v Speaker 1>his lady referred to the servant. He hardly looked at him,

0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>but held his gilded cap carelessly toward him, and the

0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.840
<v Speaker 1>stranger placed it carefully on the rock. Last came the rector,

0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a man of forty and well clothed. He started to pass.

0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:45.400
<v Speaker 1>The stranger stopped and looked at him inquiringly. I beg

0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.080
<v Speaker 1>your pardon, he said, I beg your pardon. I think

0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I have met you. The stranger made no answer, and

0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the hostess nervously hurried the guest's song. But the rector

0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.800
<v Speaker 1>lingered and looked perplexed. Surely I know you. I have

0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.000
<v Speaker 1>met you somewhere, he said, putting his hand vaguely to

0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.720
<v Speaker 1>his head. You you remember me, do you not. The

0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.520
<v Speaker 1>stranger quietly swept his cloak aside, and, to the hostess's

0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:17.200
<v Speaker 1>unspeakable relief, passed out of the door. I never knew you,

0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.920
<v Speaker 1>he said, in low tones as he went. The lady

0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.720
<v Speaker 1>murmured some vain excuse about intruders, but the rector stood

0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 1>with annoyance written on his face. I beg a thousand pardons,

0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.120
<v Speaker 1>he said to the hostess absently. It is a great

0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.240
<v Speaker 1>pleasure to be here. Somehow I thought I knew that man.

0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I am sure I knew him. Once the stranger had

0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.440
<v Speaker 1>passed down the steps, and as he passed, the nurse,

0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.960
<v Speaker 1>lingering at the top of the staircase flew down after him,

0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.600
<v Speaker 1>caught his cloak, trembled, hesitated, and then kneeled in the dust.

0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.320
<v Speaker 1>He touched her lightly with his hand and said, go

0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and sin no more. With a glad cry. The maid

0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.200
<v Speaker 1>left the house with its open door and turned north running.

0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The stranger turned eastward into the night. As they parted,

0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a long, low howl rose tremulously and reverberated through the night.

0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.760
<v Speaker 1>The colonel's wife within shuddered the blood hounds, she said.

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.480
<v Speaker 1>The rector answered carelessly, another one of those convicts escaped.

0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I suppose really they need severer measures. Then he stopped.

0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.720
<v Speaker 1>He was trying to remember the stranger's name. The judge's

0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.600
<v Speaker 1>wife looked about for the draft and arranged her shawl.

0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.600
<v Speaker 1>The girl glanced at the white drapery in the hall,

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.399
<v Speaker 1>but the young officer was bending over her, and the

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 1>fires of life burned in her veins. Howel after howell rose,

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and the night swelled and died away. The stranger strode

0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.160
<v Speaker 1>rapidly along the highway and out into the deep forest.

0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.639
<v Speaker 1>There he paused and stood waiting, tall and still. A

0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.600
<v Speaker 1>mile up the road behind a man was running, tall

0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and powerful and black, with crime stained face and convicts

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.880
<v Speaker 1>stripes upon him and shackles on his legs. He ran

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and jumped in little short steps, and his chains rang.

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.959
<v Speaker 1>He fell and rose again, while the howl of the

0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 1>hounds rang louder behind him. Into the forest, he leapt

0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and crept and jumped and ran, streaming with sweat. Seeing

0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the tall form rise before him, he stopped, suddenly, dropped

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.000
<v Speaker 1>his hands in sullen impotence, and sank, panting to the earth.

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.200
<v Speaker 1>A greyhound shot out of the woods behind him, howled, whined,

0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and fawned before the stranger's feet. Hound after hound bayed,

0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.760
<v Speaker 1>leapt and lay there. Then silently, one by one, with

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:49.040
<v Speaker 1>bowed heads, they crept backward toward the town. The stranger

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.200
<v Speaker 1>made a cup of his hands and gave the man

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.960
<v Speaker 1>water to drink, bathed his hot head, and gently took

0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the chains and irons from his feet. By and by,

0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the convict stood up. Day was dawning above the tree tops.

0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.679
<v Speaker 1>He looked into the stranger's face, and for a moment

0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a gladness swept over the stains of his face. Why

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you are a negro too, he said. Then, the convict

0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 1>seemed anxious to justify himself. I never had no chance,

0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>he said furtively. Thou shalt not steal, said the stranger.

0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.959
<v Speaker 1>The man bridled, But how about them? Can they steal?

0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Didn't they steal a whole year's work? And then when

0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I stole to keep from starving? He glanced at the stranger. No,

0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't steal just to keep from starving. I stole

0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to be stealing. I can't seem to keep from stealing.

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Seems like when I see things I just might. But yes,

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll try. The convict looked down at his striped clothes,

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.199
<v Speaker 1>but the stranger had taken off his long coat. He

0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:56.639
<v Speaker 1>had put it around him, and the stripes disappeared. Much

0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>like dear listeners, I am about to disappear or the

0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I'd break ah products and services and we're back. In

0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the opening morning, the black man started toward the low

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:27.520
<v Speaker 1>log farmhouse in the distance, while the stranger stood watching him.

0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.560
<v Speaker 1>There was a new glory in the day. The black

0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>man's face cleared up, and the farmer was glad to

0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 1>get him. All day, the black man worked as hard

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.959
<v Speaker 1>as he had never worked before. The farmer gave him

0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:44.119
<v Speaker 1>some cold food. You could sleep in the barn, he said,

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and turned away. How much do I get a day,

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.560
<v Speaker 1>asked the black man. The farmer scowled. Now see here,

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.560
<v Speaker 1>said he. If you'll sign a contract for the season,

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you ten dollars a month. I won't sign

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.359
<v Speaker 1>no contract, said the black man, doggedly. Yes you will,

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>said the farmer threateningly, or I'll call the convict guard.

0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 1>He grinned. The convict shrank and slouched to the barn.

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>As night fell, he looked out and saw the farmer

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>leave the place slowly. He crept out and sneaked toward

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the house. He looked through the kitchen door. No one

0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>was there, but the supper was spread as if the

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.240
<v Speaker 1>mistress had laid it and gone out. He ate ravenously.

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Then he looked into the front room and listened. He

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:32.000
<v Speaker 1>could hear low voices on the porch. On the table

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.199
<v Speaker 1>lay a gold watch. He gazed at it, and in

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a moment he was beside it, his hands were on it.

0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Quickly he slipped out of the house and slouched toward

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the field. He saw his employer coming along the highway.

0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:47.600
<v Speaker 1>He fled back in terror and around the front of

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the house, when suddenly he stopped. He felt the great

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.639
<v Speaker 1>dark eyes of the stranger and saw the same dark

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 1>cloak like coat where the stranger sat on the doorstep,

0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.639
<v Speaker 1>talking with the mistress of the house. Slowly, guiltily, he

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 1>turned back, entered the kitchen and laid the watch stealthily

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 1>where he had found it. Then he rushed wildly back

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 1>toward the stranger with arms outstretched. The woman had laid

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.639
<v Speaker 1>supper for her husband, and going down from the house,

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 1>had walked out toward a neighbor's. She was gone but

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a little while, and when she came back she started

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.879
<v Speaker 1>to see a dark figure on the doorsteps under the

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.280
<v Speaker 1>tall red oak. She thought it was the new Negro

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 1>until he said, in a soft voice, will you give

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.840
<v Speaker 1>me some bread? Reassured at the voice of a white man,

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 1>she answered quickly in her soft southern tones. Why, certainly

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.479
<v Speaker 1>she was a little woman, and once had been pretty,

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.280
<v Speaker 1>but now her face was drawn with work and care.

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.960
<v Speaker 1>She was nervous and always thinking, wishing, wanting for something.

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 1>She went in and got him some cornbread and a

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 1>glass of cool, rich buttermilk. Then she came out and

0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 1>sat down beside him. She began, quite unconscious, to tell

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>him about herself, the things she had done and had

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>not done, and the things she had wished for. She

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>told him of her husband and this new farm they

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>were trying to buy. She said it was hard to

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>get to work. She said, they ought to all be

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in the chain gang, and made to work. Even then

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>some ran away. Only yesterday one had escaped, and another

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the day before. At last, she gossiped of her neighbors,

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.760
<v Speaker 1>how good they were and how bad? And do you

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:33.400
<v Speaker 1>like them? All? Asked the stranger. She hesitated most of them,

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>she said, and then, looking up into his face, and

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>putting her hand into his as though he were her father,

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.120
<v Speaker 1>she said, there are none a hate, no none at all.

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 1>He looked away, holding her hand in his, and said, dreamily,

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>you love your neighbor as yourself. She hesitated a try

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>she began, then looked the way. He was looking down

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 1>under the hill where lay a little half ruined cabin.

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>They are, she said briefly. He looked at her. Suddenly

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a confusion came over her, and she insisted she knew

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>not why, but they are. With a sudden impulse, she

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>arose and hurriedly lighted the lamp that stood just within

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the door, and held it above her head. She saw

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Speaker 1>his dark face and curly hair. She shrieked in angry

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 1>terror and rushed down the path. And just as she

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>rushed down, the black convict came running up with hands outstretched.

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 1>They met in mid path, and before he could stop,

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 1>he had run against her, and she fell heavily to

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the earth and lay white and still. Her husband came

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>rushing around the house with a cry and an oath.

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Ah knew it, he said, it's that runaway. He held

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.399
<v Speaker 1>the black man struggling to the earth, and raised his

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>voice to a yell. Down the highway came the convict

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>guard with hound and mob and gun. They paused across

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the fields. Armor motioned them. He attacked my wife, he gasped.

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>The mob snarled and worked silently right to the limb

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>of the red oak. They hoisted the struggling, writhing black man,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>while others lifted the dazed woman right and left. As

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 1>she tottered to the house, she searched for the stranger

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>with a yearning. But the stranger was gone, and she

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>told none of her guests, no, I want nothing, she insisted,

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 1>until they left her as they thought asleep. For a time,

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>she lay still, listening to the departure of the mob.

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Then she rose. She shuddered as she heard the creaking

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.919
<v Speaker 1>of the limb where the body hung, but resolutely she

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>crawled to the window and peered out into the moonlight.

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>She saw the dead man wrive. He stretched his arms

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>out like a cross, looking upward. She gasped and clung

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to the window sill. Behind the swaying body, and down

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>were the little half cabin lay A single flame flashed

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>up amid the far off shout and cry of the mob.

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 1>A fierce joy sobbed up through the terror in her soul,

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and then sank abashed as she watched the flame rise,

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>suddenly whirling into one great crimson column. It shot to

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the top of the sky and threw great arms athwart

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>the gloom, until above the world and behind the roped

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and swaying form below, hung quivering and burning a great

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>crimson cross. She hid her dizzying, aching head in an

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>agony of tears, and dared not look for she knew.

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Her dry lips moved, despised and rejected of men she knew,

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and the very horror of it lifted her dull and

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>shrinking eyelids. There heaven, tall, earth wide, hung the stranger

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>on the crimson cross, riven and blood stained, with thorn

0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>crowned head and pierced hands. She stretched her arms and shrieked.

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>He did not hear, he did not see. His calm,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>dark eyes, all sorrowful were fastened on the writing twisting

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>body of the thief, and a voice came out of

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the winds of the night, saying, this day, thou shalt

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>be with me in Paradise. The end. I honestly love

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>this story. I like it even more than the comment,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and I really like the comment. The comment seems like

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>it'd be more at my alley. Right. It's like a

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>genre story for those who haven't listened. It's, you know,

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>like the post apocalyptic story that talks about race, and

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>this one is a religious parable comparison thing metaphor whatever

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that's very direct and even kind of almost melodramatic. And

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's amazing just the like bluntness of this story,

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>especially when it came out as this political message, like

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the rector being like don't I know you? I think

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I used to know you and Jesus and like I

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>do not know you is just so direct. And also

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>this idea of like, you know, when I first read

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>this story, I was like, ah, here it comes telling

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the guy shouldn't steal despite all the shit that gets

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 1>stolen from him, and like I don't care if that

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>guy steals a watch from a rich, fucking white asshole

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like whatever, right, but like the guy who's like trying

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to entrap him in some horrible you know, like oh

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>you gotta sign this contract thing like that doesn't bother

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>my morals at all, right, but my morals don't exactly

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>line up with most interpretations of Christianity. But this idea

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>of like, well, what you do with a person who's

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>like a thief, isn't you put him on a chain

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>gang and ruin his life? You forgive him and maybe

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>chastise him and are like all right, and then take

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>away his fucking you know chains, right. I think all

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the time about that that clip from Little Bird, the

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>John Brown story, where it's like, you know, you worship

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the God of chains and I worship the God the Liberator.

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>There's just different religions. You know, they have the same name,

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>but they are fundamentally different religions. And that's what the

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>story is calling out in like a language that's incredibly

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>familiar to all of its readers. And like all of

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>these people who are like you know, the white people

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>in it, who are like, oh, I think I'm supposed

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to be doing not this. You know, it's like even

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>offering them a sort of forgiveness or like a chance

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>at salvation directly themselves, and like just also like mixed race,

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Jesus is like such a good direct also probably true

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>in that particular whatever, anyway, I just really like this story.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think that I tend to resonate with older

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>stories more than modern stories, which makes me feel very weird.

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>But maybe it's because I read history for a living

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like kind of living in the past a

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But I think that there's anne there, and

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that watching how people have dealt with problems

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>over and over again in the past gives us a

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of lessons for the present. You know, when you

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>study strategy, you study old battles, and whether you're talking

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>about activism or war, you know which are often real

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>blurry like in the case of the end of childele

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>slavery in the United States. You know it suretok both

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of those things. And so I think that going back

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to study strategies and ways of thinking is really useful.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I like it. Hazel, who helps behind

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the scenes, says about it quote. One thing that sticks

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>out to me about the story is the use of

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>tropes and how they develop. The stranger who is a

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>god in disguise itself feels like such a biblical trope

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to me, as in, I feel like there's a bunch

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of Bible passages about this. Allah, I was a stranger

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and you welcomed me Matthew twenty five, thirty five. But

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if this is part of how it winds

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>its way into the literary world. Part of what's cool

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to me about reading and running older stories is tracing

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>back these patterns that we know so well to how

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>they were originally used before the tropes get run through

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the washing Machine sixty thousand times. I think this story

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>also points to a similar pattern within anti racism and

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>advocacy too. Obviously, the way that we talk about race

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and racism has changed a lot over time, and there's

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff in the story that have written today would turn

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>some heads. But I think that's also why it's important

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>to know where our conversations have come from, specifically because

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>folks were still figuring stuff out. We need to know

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>our stories, We need to remember our conversations because yeah,

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.239
<v Speaker 1>one hundred years, people are going to look back on

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>us and say, yeah, look how far we've come. End quote.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's it for this week. We'll be back next

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>week with another special audience participation episode like the one

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>we did for Mayday. This is the one where you're

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>going to have to do homework. You're gonna have to

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 1>do homework, dear, dear listeners, but this time it's going

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to be watching Star Trek, so it'll be even easier.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>We will be discussing an episode of Star Trek Deep

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Space nine called Far Beyond the Distant Stars, where the

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>space station captain Cisco dreams that he and everyone else

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>on the station are all working for a nineteen fifties

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>sci fi pulp magazine, and if you want to give

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>us your thoughts about it, you can head over to reddit.

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to post right after I finish recording this,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>so it'll be there by the time you look. I

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna be on the it could Happen Here subreddit,

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, because this runs and they could

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Happen Here feed, as well as his own feed, as

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>well as the Cool People Did Cool Stuff feed, but

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>that's the most active subreddit of the three. So I'm

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>going to head over there. I'm going to post and

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you all can give me us your thoughts about the

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek Deep Space nine episode called Far Beyond the

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Distant Stars, and we'll read some of them and we

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>can participate in the conversation altogether, and maybe we'll read

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>your comments on air. It'll be fun, I promise, and

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.719
<v Speaker 1>we'll see you next week. I'm Margaret Kiljoy. You can

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>find me on the socials at Margaret Kiljoy until I

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>get mad at all of them and delete them, which

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I get closer to every single day. In the meantime.

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Fuck ice Free Palestine, All power to the people. Don't

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>cross picket lines. We will grind this empire into dust

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>with the names of the slain fresh on our tongues. Bye.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 2>It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>now find sources for it could Happen Here, listed directly

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.