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Speaker 3: The Knicks beat the Pacers tonight one thirty one twenty one.
Speaker 2: There's a situation where Jelen Brunson went down early, like
Speaker 2: midway through the first quarter, mister man of the first
Speaker 2: all the set first half, and then he came back
Speaker 2: and he seemed to have energized them. So they come
Speaker 2: back and get a hard fault win one one. Gil.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with you tonight. What did you like
Speaker 2: about what the Knicks did? And what didn't you like
Speaker 2: about what the Pacers did? I mean, what the what
Speaker 2: the even what Brunson did? It clearly shows he's the
Speaker 2: heart and beat of that that team. They were up
Speaker 2: eleven when he went down. As soon as he get hurt,
Speaker 2: they went down eleven. So it was a minus twenty
Speaker 2: two when he was out of again going time and
Speaker 2: as soon as he comes back, you can see the
Speaker 2: energy to soul, the patience, the leadership that they brings.
Speaker 2: So that was the glaring tale of the Knicks. That
Speaker 2: that is their heartbeat. Now, if Indy and that takes
Speaker 2: anything from this game, it should tell you take out
Speaker 2: the head of the snake. The head of the snake
Speaker 2: is out, the rest of the snake falls right, he
Speaker 2: goes out. They're basically a twenty two a twenty two
Speaker 2: point run around. Why are you playing one on one
Speaker 2: against him? He's a one on one assassin. He leads
Speaker 2: the NBA in fourth quarter points and what's the new thing?
Speaker 5: They have?
Speaker 3: Fourth quarter points?
Speaker 2: Clutch points points here they got the new thing clutch points.
Speaker 3: Don't know that, but they got He leads it, right.
Speaker 2: So the fact that he leads in clutch points and
Speaker 2: fourth quarter points let you know this is a dangerous
Speaker 2: man to be trying to guard one on one. If
Speaker 2: you have any basketball knowledge, Rick Carlisle does just double
Speaker 2: them at this point, just double them. He's improved one
Speaker 2: on one. You cannot stop this man, are we? Are
Speaker 2: we sure Rick Carlisle has basketball knowledge because for some
Speaker 2: reason he keeps putting them hard on Brunson. And every
Speaker 2: time and every time Brunson sees him, he thinks ox tails,
Speaker 2: he thinks mac and cheeve, he thinks candy yam, he
Speaker 2: thinks neck bone, he thinks corn bread, he thinks cola green.
Speaker 3: He's thinking it's Sunday dinner.
Speaker 2: Cause you cook it at TJ McConnell comes in. He
Speaker 2: only played. He gave you ten points in twelve sis
Speaker 2: in the limited minutes. And what he's doing more so
Speaker 2: than them hard, he's making Brunson work. Okay, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: not about being able to stop him because he's a
Speaker 2: tremendous one on one player, but you gotta make him work.
Speaker 2: He does minimal effort. When nim Hard is guardening, he's
Speaker 2: going to shooting over the top of him. You see
Speaker 2: what you call him, it's picking him up ninety four feet.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, you might get some basket,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna work for and that's what you have
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand.
Speaker 2: After the first game, you see Mim hard and you
Speaker 2: see him struggle, and I agree, at some point in time,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to get the ball out of his hand,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have to make Josh hart You're gonna
Speaker 2: have Hartenstein. You have to make other guys beat you,
Speaker 2: because he's proven through the course of the year he
Speaker 2: can beat anybody. I'm not gonna let him beat me.
Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam, Now that's two games you've been bull driving. Now, Tyreez.
Speaker 2: Halliburton redeemed himself. He had six points on six shots.
Speaker 2: He played well, and I get it he only had
Speaker 2: twelve points in the second half. But sometimes you gotta
Speaker 2: be selfish sometimes you like, you know what, y'all bull driving.
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and do this thing on my own.
Speaker 2: Eleven of nineteen seven of eleven from a three, Pascal Siakam,
Speaker 2: you bull drive the night. Miles Turner. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you was on tonight, but you gotta do better.
Speaker 2: You gotta do better than what you gave him. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 2: I mean, he ain't played well last four games, to
Speaker 2: be honest, and the last two against Menwaukee in East
Speaker 2: he ain't.
Speaker 3: Really you're talking about Miles Turner.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Pascal Pascal, but neither one of them
Speaker 2: played good in the first two games, and they need
Speaker 2: to play better because look at the bitch points pay
Speaker 2: for in two games ninety two the Knicks fifteen bitch points,
Speaker 2: but the Knicks are up to nothing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Hey, hey, I enjoyed the game. It was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good game. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: That goddamn Josh Hart. I know everybody we want to
Speaker 1: talk about Jalen Brunson, This Jalen Brunson that obviously went
Speaker 1: out in the first quarter, missed the whole first half,
Speaker 1: but that goddamn Josh Hart. I think he is responsible
Speaker 1: in more of the reason because of his rebounding prowess
Speaker 1: and getting those second chance points on why they are
Speaker 1: winning well, kind of running away with the game at
Speaker 1: a certain point because of those rebounds that he's getting.
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson broh unbelievable, unbelievable, the piggyback off of what
Speaker 1: Gil said talk about being the heart and soul of
Speaker 1: that team. Though it's crazy. Obviously, I didn't expect the
Speaker 1: Knicks to be this far into the playoffs for one,
Speaker 1: for starters mhmm, and to see them playing the way
Speaker 1: they're playing, to see them handling the pacers the way
Speaker 1: they're handling the pacers is a sight to see after
Speaker 1: it's been so long since the niggas have had what
Speaker 1: playoff appearances like this? When's the last thing.
Speaker 3: It was in the playoffs last year? I mean, I
Speaker 3: think what you call them, beat them? Beat them? I
Speaker 3: think the heat knocked them.
Speaker 1: Out, knocked him out in the first though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when's the last time they've been to the Hey, how
Speaker 1: you see it the right way?
Speaker 3: The Eastern Conference finals or the NBA finals like the nineties.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's that's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 1: I gotta get them terminology, right, I gotta give them
Speaker 1: terminal terminologies together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what becomes the bruntsing? I mean
Speaker 3: not bunting, but when it comes to heart his value.
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys, man that you don't really
Speaker 2: know what you just put him out there right right,
Speaker 2: like you do, do you right, and we'll figure this
Speaker 2: shit out later.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I can pay you right now,
Speaker 2: but we'll make it up in the back. We'll make
Speaker 2: it up for you. He's that type of player, right
Speaker 2: type of player where like he will take a pay
Speaker 2: cut for the team. Get you know, he's gonna have
Speaker 2: a coaching job, he's gonna be on the staff. That's
Speaker 2: that player. He's such a glue player. And when you
Speaker 2: need him to score nineteen and fifteen rebounds, he gonna
Speaker 2: beat that. Like they Lets you know now what Westbrook
Speaker 2: did then, is needed a guy who's gonna go out
Speaker 2: there and just get it done. You need fifteen rebounds
Speaker 2: for me, I got to coach, you need, you need nineteen.
Speaker 2: I got to coach, you need seven, seven assists, I
Speaker 2: got to coach.
Speaker 3: Just just let me know what you need me to do.
Speaker 3: I'm the handy man around here.
Speaker 2: The best compliment I can pay him, play pay him
Speaker 2: is he's a basketball player.
Speaker 3: That's what he is. Gil.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't really assign a title a one
Speaker 2: or two or three or four or five. He's a
Speaker 2: basketball player. He'll do whatever you need to get done. Hey,
Speaker 2: hey Son, we need you to play defense tonight. Okay, Son,
Speaker 2: we need you to give us fifteen to twenty points. Okay,
Speaker 2: coach Son, we need you to give us somewhere between
Speaker 2: ten and fifteen rebounds. Okay, coach, you know what, Son,
Speaker 2: we need you to you know what, We're gonna run
Speaker 2: the offen it through you tonight, Okay, coach, whatever you
Speaker 2: need And see this is why you have to watch
Speaker 2: to understand because if you look at the offensive rebounds,
Speaker 2: you say, well, Indy, our offenser, our offensive rebound them
Speaker 2: by two. But look at when the Knicks got the
Speaker 2: rebounds in the fourth quarter, when the game was won
Speaker 2: was one to put one possession game.
Speaker 3: They got possession after possession, and.
Speaker 2: When Indy couldn't get a rebound, or if they'd have
Speaker 2: got the rebound, could have maybe tied the game or
Speaker 2: win ahead. Guess what happens now the Kniggs get no
Speaker 2: excuse me, now, the Pacers get the rebound and get
Speaker 2: to put back either two and one or three. And
Speaker 2: so that was the difference in the ball game. Late
Speaker 2: in the ball game, they couldn't keep they couldn't keep
Speaker 2: Josh hart They keep couldn't keep Hartenstein off the glass.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at you, Miles another mile Turners. He
Speaker 2: looking around like, who did into what fun? I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: get on your ass on the glass, you seven foot tall?
Speaker 2: This was this was I mean, we know gil o Joe,
Speaker 2: when you start, when you like watch the Pacers. We
Speaker 2: know they don't play no defense. The next shot fifty
Speaker 2: seven percent from the floor. They shot forty seven from
Speaker 2: the three. You not gonna beat very many teams unless
Speaker 2: you shoot sixty percent from the floor and sixty percent
Speaker 2: from the three, because they're gonna get whatever they want.
Speaker 3: And you saw.
Speaker 2: Bruston, So just imagine Bruston finished the night with twenty
Speaker 2: with twenty nine for twenty nine points. How many points
Speaker 2: you think you would have got? Caddy played the entire
Speaker 2: ball game. It's another forty piece. I'm disappointed because I
Speaker 2: want to see him get five and say get a
Speaker 2: forty pieces because that's what he's gotta got, that's what
Speaker 2: he would have gotten. Now, Rick Carlile, now you well,
Speaker 2: this is the way we play, and this is what
Speaker 2: God is here. Now you can leave them hard on
Speaker 2: him if you want to. And you're going to try
Speaker 2: to show your philosophy. You know sometimes, well we played,
Speaker 2: oh Jo, you know in football, we play the way
Speaker 2: we play.
Speaker 3: We don't flock corners.
Speaker 2: Well, you better take your best corner and you better
Speaker 2: let him get frequent five miles because he damn your
Speaker 2: better travel because if you don't, that number one wide
Speaker 2: out is gonna.
Speaker 3: Eat your number two and three corners up.
Speaker 1: Well, I have I have a question, Yes if coach,
Speaker 1: If coach says that's the way they play and that's
Speaker 1: his philosophy, and then not changing because he's gonna stick
Speaker 1: to what he feels his work to get them to
Speaker 1: this point throughout the entirety of the year. So when
Speaker 1: they play in Indiana, which I'm assuming is what maybe Friday,
Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday, Yes, Friday, Saturday, and Nimrod is gonna
Speaker 1: be back on Jalen running again.
Speaker 2: So fortym hard, nim hard out, nim had them hard,
Speaker 2: nim hard.
Speaker 3: Yes, like them hard, nim hard.
Speaker 1: Them hard, them hard. So I mean, obviously the same
Speaker 1: thing is gonna happen. So it's safe to say since
Speaker 1: coach philosophy and he's basically saying he's not gonna change
Speaker 1: because this is the way we do things. So is
Speaker 1: this series basically over at.
Speaker 2: This point if they continue to play jayaler Brunson one
Speaker 2: on one, Yes, it's it's idiotic, Chad.
Speaker 3: This is why this is not a regular season.
Speaker 2: This is the playoffs, right, exactly, playoffs you're playing against
Speaker 2: specialty players.
Speaker 3: So you have a general offense now I mean a defense.
Speaker 2: Like when we play in the regular season, it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, if he can shoot, we're gonna go over,
Speaker 2: or if he can shoot, we can switch. If he
Speaker 2: can't shoot, let's go under. You have if he's on
Speaker 2: the left side pushing baseline. You know you have typical defense,
Speaker 2: right right. It gets you through the season. When the
Speaker 2: playoffs start, you have to really adjust to specialty players.
Speaker 2: You can't just say, oh, jay Len Brust'll were just
Speaker 2: gonna switch. If he sees that he's gonna pick out
Speaker 2: the week he gets person on the defense and he
Speaker 2: go call the screen from them.
Speaker 3: And go go at him.
Speaker 2: No, you come like I used to do a pick
Speaker 2: and roll with him. But bring him over here, let's
Speaker 2: get him. They we usually get the year rolls on.
Speaker 2: Let me get the year roll over here. Let me
Speaker 2: go ahead and bop him a couple of times and score.
Speaker 2: So you usually pick on the weakest person. So you
Speaker 2: have to change your defense for certain players. You might
Speaker 2: not be it you first round normal defense. This round
Speaker 2: they have a guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, you don't.
Speaker 2: Have a guy, so they don't really need to do
Speaker 2: anything defensively. Different than what they've been doing. They have
Speaker 2: a specialty guy, probably one of the most dangerous people
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Right now, you have to focus
Speaker 2: on him the whole game, especially in the fourth right
Speaker 2: if they get to the next round. There's two people
Speaker 2: that does this, right, so you have to be able
Speaker 2: to change it up for the personnal. You can't be standard.
Speaker 2: This is this is not a call because what you
Speaker 2: got a little bit different round. Yeah, because what happens,
Speaker 2: o Jo is that I'm playing Miami one night, then
Speaker 2: I got Orlando, then I got Atlanta, I got Charlotte.
Speaker 2: But seeing a seven game series, you're specialized. And normally
Speaker 2: once you get to the playoffs, everybody has a guy
Speaker 2: that can go get buckets.
Speaker 3: Some teams have two guys.
Speaker 2: You look at the Dallas Mavericks, they got two guys
Speaker 2: that you can put the ball in their hands and
Speaker 2: they can go get your bucket.
Speaker 1: Krrie and Luca you got two.
Speaker 2: You look at look at Denver Murray, Yo, put the
Speaker 2: ball in the hand, go get your budgets. Carl Anthony
Speaker 2: Towns and man can go get you buckets. And so
Speaker 2: when you got a guy that can go get you buckets,
Speaker 2: and most guys in the NBA are great because you
Speaker 2: can't be good if you can't play one on one.
Speaker 3: The great look at the great players. They can all
Speaker 3: go one on one.
Speaker 2: If you can go one on one and you give it,
Speaker 2: you give a guy a steady diet, he'll build up
Speaker 2: a resistance to it.
Speaker 3: And then now he don't see the ball go in.
Speaker 2: See the problem with the hand is they let Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson see the ball go in a couple of times.
Speaker 3: He hit his first couple of shots in the third, Kiss.
Speaker 2: The baby could go ahead, kiss the baby, put the
Speaker 2: baby to bed, because because you know your ass about
Speaker 2: to be up all night, you have some time.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm gonna get him that when the baby
Speaker 2: go down, because I already know he went down too early,
Speaker 2: and my ass about to be up all night, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to sleep when they get some sleep. Well,
Speaker 2: you let him, You let brothers start to cook. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what, You're gonna be up all night because
Speaker 2: he about to tell your ass up.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't know much about basketball, but I do
Speaker 1: know the same as it goes for us. Once we
Speaker 1: catch a football in the game, just the first catch
Speaker 1: and you get that feeling and that confidence and you
Speaker 1: get in that rhythm. I'm assuming Gilli is probably the
Speaker 1: same when it comes to basketball. Once you hit two
Speaker 1: or three shots and that confidence and you and you
Speaker 1: in the rhythm and you feeling yourself, it is hell
Speaker 1: after that. It's hell for everybody after that.
Speaker 3: All right, what dB you cooked? Who has lunched me
Speaker 3: for you?
Speaker 1: Everybody except read every everybody?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, imagine the person that that's that's defending
Speaker 2: you play one on one.
Speaker 3: You got seven games with this dude.
Speaker 2: Oh coaching the coaches like, nah, we're just gonna play
Speaker 2: them straight up. That's what we've been doing all year exactly,
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame jacket, where.
Speaker 3: Are you at?
Speaker 2: I'm about to be a start just off them. And
Speaker 2: that's that's what y'all will do. Y'all will let y'all
Speaker 2: will let the lineback and run with me up the scene.
Speaker 2: Take me to the seven, let me on the out
Speaker 2: the far cross. That's what you're okay, that's easy word,
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: But then basically, these losses, these losses in these forty
Speaker 1: point games, obviously he only had twenty nine a night.
Speaker 1: As far as Bronson goes, uh, it's on the head coach,
Speaker 1: the because he's not making the proper adjustments to be
Speaker 1: able to stop him. Maybe you can't stop it, but
Speaker 1: at least contain him and force everybody else to beat you. Hell,
Speaker 1: even even in supporting Kansas having good games and putting
Speaker 1: up points as well.
Speaker 2: But the playing is you got to make it difficult
Speaker 2: on him. You got to slow him down. You can't
Speaker 2: let him come down. And every every shot he put up,
Speaker 2: hold on what was he he was level of eighteen? Now,
Speaker 2: mind you, he missed almost fifteen minutes of the game, right,
Speaker 2: so at that praise, he only met pro like Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm guarding, if I'm guarding Brunson, you
Speaker 2: know I've played against these guys. I've watched these guys.
Speaker 2: I seen how they they When you're that small, you
Speaker 2: have a knack for putting the ball in the back.
Speaker 3: You've been small your whole life.
Speaker 2: You've been playing against taller guys since you was probably
Speaker 2: in middle school. Yes, right, so you've adjusted to this
Speaker 2: height since you was a kid. Nothing new for you. You
Speaker 2: do not play Nimrod. You did not play was it?
Speaker 2: Who was it? MCCONAGEU, it was, it was, it was
Speaker 2: Memo hard and Nieman McConnell comes in and picks him
Speaker 2: up something. But they try to, They try to.
Speaker 3: You don't want you don't want none of them, none
Speaker 3: of them on him.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, who are you gonna put yack him?
Speaker 1: You need you can't put him.
Speaker 3: Can't do he can't do not with what you call it.
Speaker 3: He can't do no with Og. So how to help
Speaker 3: he go?
Speaker 2: Guard Og is stronger than him. So what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is with Brunton himself, I want someone who's taller and
Speaker 2: has the arm Lynn, because all brunt is gonna do
Speaker 2: is just hit you with his body. Because he's stronger,
Speaker 2: He's gonna hit you with his body. Turn around, Jumper,
Speaker 2: if you're the same height, if you're anywhere from six
Speaker 2: to two to six seven yo, know you're not gonna
Speaker 2: bother his shot. He's used to that, he's used to
Speaker 2: that armand so you need someone who's a little bit
Speaker 2: longer to make him shot a little bit higher. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna stop him. All he's gonna do is try
Speaker 2: to get more into your body, hit you, and then
Speaker 2: he's gonna try to spend fade and your arm length
Speaker 2: should be able to to shot a little bit even
Speaker 2: if I can't guarding him.
Speaker 3: He's cooking me.
Speaker 2: Because once he hits me with the body, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: back up a little bit and he's gonna be able
Speaker 2: to shoot the jerky. So using his body to create
Speaker 2: that distance, it's just like a math equation, right, Or
Speaker 2: you have long arms, Okay, you jump a little bit,
Speaker 2: so I need about two feet boom. Okay, that's it right,
Speaker 2: And that's that's all he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's kid Now when they think about a gear, ain't
Speaker 1: that the same thing that that move Carmelo do. He
Speaker 1: always put that shoulder you just to create a little
Speaker 1: bit of space, a little bit of.
Speaker 2: Space you're trying to dis lodge you if you're trying
Speaker 2: to dislodge them off that spot. A lot of times
Speaker 2: what guys are doing they're trying to jaw off into files.
Speaker 2: So they're trying to plot and they're not gonna give
Speaker 2: you that. They're not gonna give you that come postseason.
Speaker 2: You have to earn files in the postseason, especially on
Speaker 2: a player like Jaylen Brunson, because that's his game. Dip
Speaker 2: the shoulder dislodge you off the spot, whether he's trying
Speaker 2: to shoot a jumper or he's trying to get to
Speaker 2: spot and get to the basket. But they're not gonna
Speaker 2: give you those calls. At some point in time, you
Speaker 2: can't keep letting guys. Og left and he didn't play
Speaker 2: it in tire fourth quarter, but he had twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Brunson missed fifteen minutes of the game. He missed the
Speaker 2: entire second quarter. He had twenty nine. Devincenzo, he had
Speaker 2: twenty eight. Josh Hart had nineteen. Hartenstein had fourteen. At
Speaker 2: some point in time, you can't keep letting their starters
Speaker 2: get double figures. You can't let three guys and their
Speaker 2: starters have twenty in the high twenties and shoot.
Speaker 3: Og was ten of nineteen.
Speaker 2: Brunson was eleven of the eighteen devincenzo with ten of twenty.
Speaker 2: If you go back and look at it, only McBride
Speaker 2: that played at least twenty minutes, only one guy shot
Speaker 2: less than fifty percent. Og was ten of nineteen, Hartenstein
Speaker 2: was five or seven. Jaylen Brunson was eleven of eighteen.
Speaker 2: Josh Hart was eight of twelve, Deevin Cenzo ten of twenty.
Speaker 2: Who the hell you beating let in the place in
Speaker 2: the postseason, You little thief shoot fifty do you understand?
Speaker 3: O Joe probably shoot around. You couldn't shoot fiftys then percent.
Speaker 3: This is a game.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is no different than with Miami, I mean
Speaker 2: not Miami but Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 3: Right, they was all focused on offense, no defense.
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the playoffs and you
Speaker 2: really need to lock down defense defensively.
Speaker 1: It wasn't there.
Speaker 2: The you don't have the the the muscle memory to
Speaker 2: do it, you know, doing it a certain way, you're
Speaker 2: gonna give up. You're gonna like it's one of those things.
Speaker 2: Is you can pick him up full court? Yes, because
Speaker 2: he's not a great ball handler in a sense of
Speaker 2: like him.
Speaker 3: Or h Halle is not great ball yet of us.
Speaker 2: They're not re irving, right, they're not John Wall right,
Speaker 2: so they're fumble trying to get past you. They're great
Speaker 2: in the half court, so yeah, you try to tire
Speaker 2: me out in the back court, I'm gonna just pass
Speaker 2: it to Josh hart Broom. So this is this is
Speaker 2: just it's some matchup tweet. This is just a matchup tweet.
Speaker 2: But it seems like New York got a counter for
Speaker 2: all of it.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: We've said this all year, Andyanna's looking to outscore you.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the magic number for the
Speaker 2: next they got to one thirty. The Pacers are trying
Speaker 2: to get to one thirty, one to thirty five. They
Speaker 2: don't play defense. They don't have outstanding wing defenders. Miles
Speaker 2: Turner is a great help defender, but because his offense
Speaker 2: is lacking, he's lacking on defense. Normally they tie together.
Speaker 2: You play good offensively, you get some steals, you get
Speaker 2: block shots, you play good defensively. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the basket starts to the ball starts to go in
Speaker 2: the basket. But give the knickt credit because when Brunson
Speaker 2: came back in. You see you could see it from
Speaker 2: the television, even though I don't have my sound on.
Speaker 2: You could see the people standing because they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: our saviors back. You see them now. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Deevin Chimzo is shooting the ball. Oh, they're about to
Speaker 2: go in. JB on the court. Josh Hart like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: if I get this rebound, kick this thing back to JB.
Speaker 2: Oh we good Hartenstein all of a sudden, he's crashing
Speaker 2: the boards even harder. And the thing is is, because
Speaker 2: they're crashing the boards, you're not making them pay. See
Speaker 2: now you crash the boards, Josh Hart doing on that
Speaker 2: board crashing. Y'all got to get that rebound and get
Speaker 2: the ball out, get it the head, get some even
Speaker 2: transition points.
Speaker 3: But the Knicks give them credit.
Speaker 2: I thought the minutes would catch up with him, Gil
Speaker 2: because you know Tims, he likes to play his guys heavy,
Speaker 2: heavy minutes. Deevin Cienzo played forty four minutes, Josh Hart
Speaker 2: again played all forty eight.
Speaker 3: Hartenstein played thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson played thirty two, but he missed fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: of the ball game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what he's doing is just old basketball. Right.
Speaker 3: You know when we played, we didn't come out of
Speaker 3: the game. Lebron didn't come out again.
Speaker 2: Not in the playoffs, George, you might have game not
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, right, do you know how to manage
Speaker 2: the time in the playoffs with timeouts longer T and
Speaker 2: T or ESPN and commercial breaks, so you're gonna get
Speaker 2: your rest. But what I love about this series is
Speaker 2: I don't think New York fans understand the rules of
Speaker 2: the NBA, all right, sit in the seats. I seen
Speaker 2: somebody behind the basket get up from his seat and
Speaker 2: yell at the REP like he almost came.
Speaker 3: But I don't know seeing this, But New York is
Speaker 3: wild right now? Yeah? Right? You got two dudes sitting
Speaker 3: there like this. Ain't this ain't a root to.
Speaker 2: Sit down right there in there, yelling at the rep,
Speaker 2: picking the ball up, wiping it off.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they crazy out there. They turned up.
Speaker 1: That's dope, man, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean the next look, there's a reason why they
Speaker 2: call Madison Square Garden the Mecca. Yeah, and when the
Speaker 2: Knicks are good, there's no better place to be there. Looks,
Speaker 2: you want the Knicks, you want the Celtics, you want
Speaker 2: the Lakers, obviously, not the Warriors.
Speaker 3: And if you know, if you get the bulls sprinking
Speaker 3: the bulls in there, you be straight.
Speaker 2: But if you got the Knicks, the Lakers, the Celtics
Speaker 2: and the Warriors, you gotta you got a good old
Speaker 2: NBA is popping. You got them teams goody.
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Uh So, Hypothetically speaking, I mean, I'm not not wishing
Speaker 1: any bad luck on the Knicks. But if the Knicks,
Speaker 1: if the Knicks Winny series, who do they?
Speaker 3: Who are they?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Who do you think they're facing next?
Speaker 3: Coon? Facing the Celtics next?
Speaker 1: He said, why, he said, can't coon.
Speaker 3: Because it's about to be full one. You know who?
Speaker 2: They facing the team that wiped y'all out. They're gonna
Speaker 2: play them.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, So you what you're saying, You
Speaker 1: saying the Knicks don't have a chance to beat beat
Speaker 1: the Celtics in the seven game series.
Speaker 3: Be coon.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be in being can Coon, drinking pinion coladas.
Speaker 2: They did great. Nobody's gonna be mad at them. Man,
Speaker 2: nobody listen. There's sometimes there's some forces you facing life
Speaker 2: that just got your number and it just better suited
Speaker 2: to do what they do. They play in Boston, right,
Speaker 2: they got stars over there, They got a team over there.
Speaker 3: They played defense over there. They got over there.
Speaker 1: It's a two headed munster in Boston, Jayson Brown and
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2: And then and then they gotta they got a Josh Harp.
Speaker 2: They gotta they got a white who plays defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they porzingis that when he comes back, they just resting him. Now,
Speaker 2: see nobody's paying attention to them because they've win in
Speaker 2: every game by twenty plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you so you're not even giving a Nicks a
Speaker 1: chance if they I mean, once they get to the
Speaker 1: next round.
Speaker 2: For one, and then then whatever those dudes want on
Speaker 2: their contract, give it to them, because they they.
Speaker 3: Earned every dollar.
Speaker 2: See, I've never seen New York like this, right, see
Speaker 2: the New York. I know they gonna boo as soon.
Speaker 3: As the scorers to five o.
Speaker 2: Five, they bow it. I've known the garden and beat.
Speaker 2: I seen a little turn up, a little turn up
Speaker 2: with Jeremy Lynn of course. And then oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember Land when Trey Young got in that building.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh and it was going at it back
Speaker 1: and forth. That was dope right here.
Speaker 2: Different, Oh this is different, and you know, you know
Speaker 2: it's gonna be sick. When they played Boston, oh because yeah,
Speaker 2: Nicks and Boston.
Speaker 1: Hey, when the Knicks was good, when Spree Whale and
Speaker 1: Allen Houston was that right? They was good back then? Huh?
Speaker 2: Ninety Well they went to they went they went to
Speaker 2: their finals in ninety what that was that ninety five?
Speaker 3: Ninety four?
Speaker 2: That was ninety four because they lost to Houston because
Speaker 2: Houston swept Orlando the next year and I think they
Speaker 2: went ninety nine and they ended up losing to the Spurs.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if Free, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was Free on that team. Then I don't think
Speaker 2: Spree was on that team. Then the Allen Houston team,
Speaker 2: I don't think he was on that team.
Speaker 1: Then, Oh he wasn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think he was was the early nineties.
Speaker 3: Don't think Spree.
Speaker 2: I don't think Spree was there yet to state damn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah they were. They were, like I said, when
Speaker 2: they're when they're good, when the Knicks are the Gardener's rocket,
Speaker 2: it's the Mecca.
Speaker 3: They call it the Mecca.
Speaker 2: Uh. No building has had more historical events from the
Speaker 2: Beatles to the Whole the Cab to Kevin Hart to
Speaker 2: boxing matches, lead I mean, you you name it. That
Speaker 2: building has hosted it, Elton John it doesn't matter. So
Speaker 2: when it yeah, I mean they just be honest, man.
Speaker 2: They probably got some he was, uh, he was there
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Spree was there ninety nine. He was on
Speaker 2: that uh with Alan Houston. But that was was that
Speaker 2: the year? Was that the year that what you gonna
Speaker 2: hit that shot? Was that the year that?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: You gonna hit that four point play? Uh? Grandmama, you never.
Speaker 2: Hit that four point play because they was down like two,
Speaker 2: and I think he ended up hitting a four point
Speaker 2: play or something. Maybe they were down three and he
Speaker 2: ended up hitting a four point play. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was so I don't know, Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2: It is a hold hold on, hold on, I got
Speaker 2: to call hi down. I gotta make the shot now.
Speaker 2: It don't mean nothing if I wan't make the shot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: But the next beat the Pacers one thirty one twenty one.
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson comes back in the second half, breathed life
Speaker 2: a team that.
Speaker 3: Was down eleven.
Speaker 2: They going to win by nine thanks to Jalen brunson heroics,
Speaker 2: Devincenzo with sensational again, Josh og Adanobe.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be an interesting situation there, gil if Ogg.
Speaker 2: It looked like he pulled his hamstring. It did look bad?
Speaker 2: Did it did look bad? Uh? Uh? You know what
Speaker 2: do I say about Josh Shard? I can't say enough
Speaker 2: good things about him. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: he might be leading the playoffs in rebounding and he's
Speaker 2: six four.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's why, that's why, that's why I compared
Speaker 1: it to the god damn Dennis Robin. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not calling Dennis Rodman undersize. But Rodney was all over
Speaker 1: the place. It's just like he had a knack and
Speaker 1: always knowing where the ball was gonna land. If it
Speaker 1: didn't land where he was at, he was going to
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: Yep. This lets you know. This lets you know one thing. Man,
Speaker 3: he's been. He was with it with the Lakers, with
Speaker 3: the Pelicans, right, he was like free man.
Speaker 2: Right, he's over at the Knicks. You have a coach
Speaker 2: that believes in you. Right, I'm not taking you out.
Speaker 2: This is your job, this is your team. Go out
Speaker 2: there and play that that I need you feeling that
Speaker 2: a coach can give a player.
Speaker 3: You're seeing it right now in real time.
Speaker 2: So when you think you need to yell at a
Speaker 2: player I needed to, you can see positive reinforcement.
Speaker 3: Get that this man will run through a wall for
Speaker 3: that team. Yep.
Speaker 2: This is not the same shots that was in Pelicans
Speaker 2: or in Los Angeles. You're looking at him like, man,
Speaker 2: why we have him here? Because you didn't have a
Speaker 2: coach that believed in them like that one does right here.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's the difference. And you know he
Speaker 2: believes in him if he takes a shot. You know,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of times you get with coach
Speaker 2: or something, we don't want you to shoot, you pass it.
Speaker 2: He pulls up from three till don't given. And he's
Speaker 2: hit some big threes. Hit one against Philly, hit won
Speaker 2: the first game against Indiana. So Tims gives him the
Speaker 2: confidence that he can go out there and play his game.
Speaker 2: And if he makes a bad play, give coach ain't
Speaker 2: looking at a get hard out. You know.
Speaker 3: That's one thing. Man. They can go out there and
Speaker 3: just play back.
Speaker 2: They don't got to look over their shree they here.
Speaker 2: They don't have to do that because nobody coming for that.
Speaker 2: Right forty eighth the night, every sub I'm just sitting
Speaker 2: there just looking straight, having good old time. You touch mine, hobby,
Speaker 2: Oh wait, oh you something?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Guys, we're going to move on. It's time for our
Speaker 2: first segment of the night, and it's called a news cap.
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray is ready to put game two incidents behind him.
Speaker 2: Murray earned one hundred thousand dollars fine from the league
Speaker 2: for throwing a heat pack and a towel on the
Speaker 2: court in the middle of the team's game two loss.
Speaker 2: Murray didn't technically apologize for his action, but he made
Speaker 2: it clear he's ready to move on. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is what it is, and I take everything. I take
Speaker 2: everything in full responsibility. So onto the next, Yeah, onto
Speaker 2: the next. I mean two days ago. There's not much
Speaker 2: for me to say about it right now. Are you
Speaker 2: surprised Gil that he only got one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: fine or did you expect some level of suspension to
Speaker 2: come along with that. I never want to play against suspended,
Speaker 2: you know, just for raw emotions, especially from a good
Speaker 2: dude like him.
Speaker 3: You know, he don't cause any problems. He don't get me.
Speaker 3: Uh But like you said, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I got a.
Speaker 2: Referee or on the court in a live setting. This
Speaker 2: is not like they're on the other side of the court.
Speaker 2: They're in live action right now. You could have injured somebody.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, we don't do ifs, but the
Speaker 2: fact that you did throw it, we don't know what
Speaker 2: your intentions is, and those intentions whatever it is, should
Speaker 2: have been at least a one game suspension, especially when
Speaker 2: you already be proving points to everyone in the NBA.
Speaker 2: You know, someone says something wrong about the referee, Oh,
Speaker 2: they cheated us fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Fine, you do that thousand dollars. Fine.
Speaker 2: So this right here gets the same marit as me
Speaker 2: throwing something at the referee.
Speaker 3: Well, god, I'm doing that. Then instead of saying.
Speaker 2: Something to the referee with the fifty thousand, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw something at the referee up.
Speaker 3: With the price. Yeah right, I think.
Speaker 2: I think the best part about that is that MPG
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior actually saw it and kind of kicked it,
Speaker 2: and I think KCP ended up talking it on off
Speaker 2: the court. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Good thing there
Speaker 2: was not a whole lot of action going on down
Speaker 2: there in the end the painted area, because you're right, Gil,
Speaker 2: somebody could have stepped on that. Now, somebody steps on
Speaker 2: that and they're out. See the way I look at
Speaker 2: a suspension if a player does something, this is the way,
Speaker 2: oh yo, And I recommend this to the NFL. If yeah,
Speaker 2: a player injages someone through a dirty head, you have
Speaker 2: to sit down until that player comes back. So if
Speaker 2: that player's out for a month, you sit your ass
Speaker 2: down for a month. He's out sad week, you sent
Speaker 2: your ass out for six week. So if he'd injured somebody,
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray injured somebody and he's out for four games,
Speaker 2: he's out four games. And if the series gets swept,
Speaker 2: you out for the number of games next year, and
Speaker 2: then you will stop, you will stop that foolishness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand, but obviously you know Jamal Murray is
Speaker 1: not a child. He's not one that causes causes issues
Speaker 1: or concerns on the court. I think because of his
Speaker 1: emotion with this incident, it got the best of him,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why he wasn't suspended, because
Speaker 1: he's not one that always causes problems, is not always
Speaker 1: in some type of controversy. And then I think suspending
Speaker 1: him for one game would probably give the opponents somewhat
Speaker 1: at advantage. And I think the commissioner just didn't want
Speaker 1: to see that happen. And I mean, one hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a whole lot, that's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 3: Dude making twenty five making twenty five million, but that's
Speaker 3: what it's not about. It's not about money. Gil.
Speaker 2: Before you go, I'm not saying, look, had they suspended him,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stand up on my soapbox and
Speaker 2: advocate for they shouldn't have suspended it. So I'm not
Speaker 2: advocating that they did that they should have suspended him.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, had they suspended him, I would have totally understood.
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, I get it. Go ahead, Gil.
Speaker 1: And when they and when they when they lost the game,
Speaker 1: how would you feel after he lost the game because
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray wasn't playing.
Speaker 3: I said, hell, you should have thought about that for
Speaker 3: you through the heating pad on the floor. Did that?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That's that's the accountability that we got to take as players, right,
Speaker 2: you want us to be accountable. I threw it out
Speaker 2: of emotion, right, and I penalize the real time. The
Speaker 2: penalty is I got suspended. My team lost. Oh down
Speaker 2: O three. That's my fault. I gotta live with that.
Speaker 2: In the summer, we made Mon Green feel he's still
Speaker 2: feeling it to his day of the resp that they
Speaker 2: led a good way for him being reckless. Right, We
Speaker 2: let he's been reckless and he has to take accountability
Speaker 2: for that when he's aging, like he thinks about the championships.
Speaker 3: He he, he knows.
Speaker 2: Man, I should have had one more, but my stupidity
Speaker 2: did that. Now this is my issue, and I don't
Speaker 2: like doing scenarios like this. But is it fair? Let's say,
Speaker 2: and man, someone slipped on that.
Speaker 1: Bull.
Speaker 2: They're growing there out of the series. How can you
Speaker 2: allow the Denver Nuggets to move on? Yeah, you got
Speaker 2: the best player with this reckless behavior. No matter how
Speaker 2: many games you suspend, I can suspenct you the most.
Speaker 2: This is the most important player for them. You still
Speaker 2: have your most important player. You guys end up coming
Speaker 2: back and winning a series or because of this move.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't feel.
Speaker 2: That just feels horrible that that is a possibility of
Speaker 2: something like that happening. And I can tell you this
Speaker 2: right now. Listen, I'm about thirty. You know I'm willing
Speaker 2: to win. So if I know this is only one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, Hey, you ain't playing right?
Speaker 3: Who is you? You want to see? What's your name?
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Throw a heat back under that thought thought he packed
Speaker 2: right there, and see if we can go ahead, get
Speaker 2: young Fello out of the game.
Speaker 3: Because here's my thing.
Speaker 2: If I'm an if I'm a uh, the fourth player
Speaker 2: or the fifth player or seventh player on the team, hell,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start an argument with something the number one
Speaker 2: and number two play, I'm gonna try to get you
Speaker 2: thrown out because if I get thrown out, it's not
Speaker 2: as big as a bigger losses as you getting your butt.
Speaker 3: If I get into it, I'm the seventh gallon, and
Speaker 3: I'm the seventh gallon of.
Speaker 2: Team, and I can get into it with Lebron or
Speaker 2: I can get into it with with Joel embiid mm hm,
Speaker 2: I get talk, I get we double text and they
Speaker 2: throw both of us out.
Speaker 3: Who won? Who won't that? M at San Antonio? San
Speaker 3: Antonio against the Sons?
Speaker 2: You remember that game w when Amark when I fin
Speaker 2: Omari came out the bench, Robert Or had checked Steve
Speaker 2: Nash in to the bench. Robert Orry and Omars Startamar
Speaker 2: came out the bench. Had that been David Stern, Oh
Speaker 2: he was gone for a game. No, No, look that's
Speaker 2: what ended up happening. Yeah, he can spended them. He
Speaker 2: got suspended. What Robert Horry did right well, roight Hory
Speaker 2: we did and end up being a brilliant play because
Speaker 2: he hits he he chucks Steve Nash and Mark gets
Speaker 2: off the bench.
Speaker 3: He got suspended.
Speaker 2: So Robin Roy versus Marris start of my out who
Speaker 2: was an All NBA player at that point in time.
Speaker 2: So what would you do? Which would you which was
Speaker 2: the more important loss? And this is what I tell people.
Speaker 2: They said, well, he's the first time. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people up in Pelican Bay. And if you're from Texas,
Speaker 2: you know where Huntsville is. There's a lot of people
Speaker 2: in prison for a first time offense.
Speaker 3: First time of fence.
Speaker 1: It only take one time.
Speaker 2: Exactly how many people have messed up their lives, Oh,
Speaker 2: Joe over a first time offense.
Speaker 5: A lot of there's a lot, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: there's a lot of fathers out there. All it took
Speaker 5: was one time time, Yeah, one time. But Jamal Murray,
Speaker 5: he will be able to go Game three. Uh, he's
Speaker 5: gonna have to play better. Uh.
Speaker 2: And and he hadn't been shooting the ball well. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of his heroids in the Lakers
Speaker 2: series have masked that he has been shooting the ball poorly.
Speaker 2: And so now it's come through fruition that he's not
Speaker 2: in the position to win the games on last second shots,
Speaker 2: and when you compound that, they're making it very difficult
Speaker 2: on this year's MVP.
Speaker 3: We're talking about that in a second.
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic iss, he's one of the most efficient players
Speaker 2: in the NBA. He was five or thirteen, and then
Speaker 2: he was like eleven of twenty five, and yeah, he
Speaker 2: had a triple double, but that trible double didnt matter
Speaker 2: because that game wasn't even closed. And then in the
Speaker 2: first game, he had thirty two points, but it took
Speaker 2: him twenty five shots to get it, and he didn't
Speaker 2: have double double digit rebounds or assists. So one of
Speaker 2: those two guys have to play great in order for
Speaker 2: them to have a chance to win. If both of
Speaker 2: those guys are playing bad, you're going to see the
Speaker 2: outcomes that you've seen over the first two games, big
Speaker 2: big losses.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and get to it.
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic has been named MVP for the third time
Speaker 2: in this fourth season. Yokis ranked tenth in points fourth
Speaker 2: and rebounds third and assists. He became the second player
Speaker 2: in the NBA history to have at least two thousand points,
Speaker 2: nine hundred rebounds, and seven hundred assists in a season,
Speaker 2: joining Oscar Robinson when he first had the triple double.
Speaker 2: Led that had a season on a triple double in
Speaker 2: sixty one sixty two. He's the ninth player to win
Speaker 2: three or more MVPs. Kareem has six, Michael Jordan and
Speaker 2: Bill Russell has five, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron James has four,
Speaker 2: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Nicola, Jokic and Moses Malone have three.
Speaker 3: Gil hold On check this out.
Speaker 2: Shaq hopefully told Jokic that someone else should have won
Speaker 2: the MVP moments after the MVP was named on TNT
Speaker 2: The Crew, Shack said, Joker and further than the Big
Speaker 2: Man Alliance, you are the vice frether of the Big
Speaker 2: Man Alliance. You know I love you, but the best
Speaker 2: player in the league. I want to congratulate you. I
Speaker 2: want to hear. I want you to hear from me. First,
Speaker 2: I thought SGA should have been the VP. That's no
Speaker 2: disrespect to you, but congratulations.
Speaker 3: Gayup. What's you think? Well, we already know what you think.
Speaker 3: You know think.
Speaker 2: I couldn't this ship. I could have left that part
Speaker 2: out of it congratulating him.
Speaker 3: But let me and you do. Let me and let
Speaker 3: you and I have that discussion.
Speaker 2: Not but to Shack's credit, he don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about Shaq going on a podcast, oh his own podcast
Speaker 2: or go saying something. I'm saying this to your face.
Speaker 2: I thank you the best player in the league. I
Speaker 2: think you the best big man in the league, and YadA,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. But this year I thought SG should have won,
Speaker 2: should have won the m v P. But go ahead,
Speaker 2: they said that ship on your podcast. I don't saying that,
Speaker 2: not not not not not on T n T while
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my guy there trophy. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: still I'm still gonna take the trophy home. I appreciate
Speaker 2: your artisty, but this trophy is still going.
Speaker 3: On the mantle.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, don't do that to me. Now, let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and celebrate me. Go on your podcast and
Speaker 2: say what you really feel and then we keep it
Speaker 2: like that. But it gives where's the hope, right, where's
Speaker 2: the hope for young players?
Speaker 3: Right to? This is who we were last year. We're
Speaker 3: the number one team.
Speaker 2: This year, we outplayed the champions who were supposed to
Speaker 2: be number one. We became number one. I'm averaging thirty.
Speaker 2: I'm doing Why am I not being rewarded? How are
Speaker 2: you rewarding someone who who did not live up to
Speaker 2: this year expectations. They were expected to dominate the season
Speaker 2: and they didn't. We didn't I perform. I'm not averaging
Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty five. I'm imaging thirty. I got
Speaker 2: my boys playing rocket basketball. We out here playing on
Speaker 2: both sides of the field. I ain't finished games now.
Speaker 2: The knock against Jokich is we can talk about the
Speaker 2: assists all we want. We can highlight the assists. Are
Speaker 2: we gonna just just ignore the fact that he is
Speaker 2: not the go to guy when it counts? Are we gonna?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna ignore the fact that what a SGA
Speaker 2: does at the end of the game, he's a clutch player.
Speaker 2: That ball goes to Murray at the game. He is
Speaker 2: the guy who Jokic relies on to hit those buckets.
Speaker 2: He becomes the number one option when the game.
Speaker 3: Is on the line.
Speaker 2: So giving the MVP to a guy who, when it counts,
Speaker 2: has to give it to another guy, and you're saying,
Speaker 2: a young fella, maybe next year, it kind of just
Speaker 2: takes away from what are we all doing this for?
Speaker 2: What is the point of being number one? Jason Tatum?
Speaker 2: What is the point of me being number one? What
Speaker 2: is the point of us doing any of this? If
Speaker 2: you're not rewarding anything, what are you rewarding? And that's
Speaker 2: the problem have we do not have any consistency on
Speaker 2: this award. You don't want to want the guys to
Speaker 2: be selfish, right, you say, all right, if you're selfish
Speaker 2: thinking about yourself and not the team, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: reward you. Now you got guys trying to build teams
Speaker 2: and and okay I'm winning. Hey, I'm still doing good.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, not this shit. Yeah, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you to some selfish like it just
Speaker 2: you can't get I would say this game before you go,
Speaker 2: oh Joe Jason Tatum may have have No, he should
Speaker 2: don't even talk about the MVP because the way he
Speaker 2: fell off. Man, he fell off like Milli Vanilly Jason Tatem,
Speaker 2: What I mean, tell you all, did you not see
Speaker 2: his his last game? His last games? He's about the bottom.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't list u K First of all, Okay, if
Speaker 2: you want to say s G a I ain't finna
Speaker 2: fight you. If you want to say Luca, I ain't
Speaker 2: finna fight you. But to say Jason Tatum over Yokic?
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, he should have been first of all,
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum shouldn't have been over Bronson.
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh.
Speaker 2: What we need to do here?
Speaker 3: Huh? If you got to think about telling me something,
Speaker 3: he ain't doing what he's doing? Did the score thirty zero?
Speaker 2: Walk?
Speaker 3: Hey? We you mis man?
Speaker 2: Hey, I can make I can make a case that
Speaker 2: that Jaylen Brown is just as important. You can say
Speaker 2: that I don't know this. Have you seen these playoffs?
Speaker 3: Have you seen? Have you seen these playoffs? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know what I do see in the playoffs that
Speaker 2: we winn by twenty every game And I don't need
Speaker 2: to really bub my injury.
Speaker 3: Hey, so hey, number two options, do your thinging, young fellow?
Speaker 3: Do your think I mean, we.
Speaker 2: Weired about were weird about twinty with not your sister
Speaker 2: that's been it's been Derek White and Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is they the number one.
Speaker 2: This guy at this point, he needs to be great
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the game to get the score up.
Speaker 2: Like what we're were penalizing. We're penalizing Tatum for for something.
Speaker 2: We gave Steph Curry, right, we gave Curry an MVP
Speaker 2: and he didn't play in damn near forty fourth quarters
Speaker 2: because it was blowing everybody out average about twenty four.
Speaker 2: But the way they calculations did it, it made sense.
Speaker 2: So you can't look at his numbers as saying because
Speaker 2: he's blowing everybody out and he's not in in crunch
Speaker 2: time anymore, Like when was the last time he played
Speaker 2: the last five minutes?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't like. I don't like Taydum for
Speaker 3: the MVP this year.
Speaker 2: Maybe the first half of the season, but the last
Speaker 2: half those guys that the Brunson's, the Jokic, the SGA's
Speaker 2: and the Lucas. I thought they would have been more deserving. Now,
Speaker 2: do I think Jason Tator's gonna be on the first
Speaker 2: team all NBA?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But it's like, because we're so good, why are you
Speaker 2: penalizing me for so good?
Speaker 3: We're so good?
Speaker 2: It makes me say, all right, I just want to
Speaker 2: be a mediocre team, so I have to play every
Speaker 2: game hard.
Speaker 3: It's That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, how do like when if you're Jason Tatum,
Speaker 2: you've been the four finals, you've been the four finals,
Speaker 2: You're gonna be at your fifth one most likely if
Speaker 2: Denver get put out, they are winning the championship because
Speaker 2: the first two rounds plus New York Jason Tatum and
Speaker 2: Brown is not gonna be challenged by anybody themselves right
Speaker 2: as a player. There's no three men on the other
Speaker 2: team that's gonna be challenging them to them for them
Speaker 2: to rub up their engine, so they're gonna have fresh,
Speaker 2: fresh legs versus somebody like at Man. At Man got
Speaker 2: to played all the way from this series to the
Speaker 2: next series on too. It so Boston's gonna have fresher
Speaker 2: legs from their stars. He wins a championship and we're saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: you just didn't have it this year because they won
Speaker 2: sixty something games. It just seems like he's playing well.
Speaker 2: I thought he played well. I fay, what do he
Speaker 2: averaged six twenty seven? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's joker and joker. He always He's
Speaker 1: been joking the past what three seasons.
Speaker 2: Obviously, had had Joel Embiid not had that historic season
Speaker 2: last year, right, he'd have been four before Gil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Dominique, I mean.
Speaker 1: But but Shi has been special.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You look at what Shi has done over in Okay, see,
Speaker 1: obviously like the piggyback off what Gil said, most thirty
Speaker 1: point games in twenty nineteen, when Harden did it. Listen,
Speaker 1: he led the NBA in steals too. Obviously, he's the
Speaker 1: best player on the Thunder, and if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: they were the number one seed as well. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: when it's time for a clutch shot at the end
Speaker 1: of the game and OKAYC is playing, who are they
Speaker 1: trying to get the ball to.
Speaker 3: Shame? Yeah, shame?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you take Shay off the Thunder. Are
Speaker 1: they in the playoffs?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, I mean there are so many different variables that
Speaker 1: go into it that says, you know what, based on
Speaker 1: what he did this year in such a short amount
Speaker 1: of time in his career, he should have won MVP.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically, if they come back next season and he
Speaker 1: repeats the same cycle again, which I'm assuming Joker will
Speaker 1: probably do the same thing, do they give it the
Speaker 1: Joker for a fourth time? To win his fourth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 2: It's gonna if it's about to start getting harder and harder,
Speaker 2: because you know when you get that third, Because think
Speaker 2: about it, Lebron had his had his fourth at what
Speaker 2: twenty eight, Gilt twenty nine, and had had you really
Speaker 2: come close? I think he came close. I think he
Speaker 2: fished second to hard one year. Uh and so in
Speaker 2: about about ten eleven years. So it's about to get
Speaker 2: harder and harder for guys to to win those MVP
Speaker 2: too to once you get to that number.
Speaker 3: Because right, go ahead, Yiel said, okay, so this is
Speaker 3: my this is my question here.
Speaker 2: Right, Jokers team was fifth one MVP, the best record,
Speaker 2: fifth best record this year. I don't even know, but
Speaker 2: they're third in the West. Right, the team aspect hasn't
Speaker 2: been dominant. What happens now he already has three and
Speaker 2: his team decides they get better. He does the same numbers,
Speaker 2: but his team is winning sixty sixty five games, seventy games.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna give him the MVPs that he deserves
Speaker 2: or then you're gonna go back and screw him and say, oh,
Speaker 2: we can't give you him.
Speaker 1: Now what do you do?
Speaker 2: Now, what do you do when his team they come
Speaker 2: back next year and they win sixty five games and
Speaker 2: he has the same numbers. You sit there like because
Speaker 2: you already rewarded him where his team was not the
Speaker 2: number one team in the NBA, So what do you
Speaker 2: do when he is the number one team? Gil?
Speaker 3: I think the thing is you look at the MVP.
Speaker 2: Because of the way Joker played in the playoffs last year,
Speaker 2: it kind of carried over there. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: maybe we made a mistake. You look at ant Man
Speaker 2: the way he's played in the playoffs. You look at
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson. If Luca can turn it around, I think, Shay,
Speaker 2: I think the m v P is gonna come from
Speaker 2: one of those guys, because I think the voters are
Speaker 2: gonna look and we understand, this is a regular season award,
Speaker 2: the m VY. You know, everybody like, well, you got
Speaker 2: to take you all to wait till after the playoffs. No, No,
Speaker 2: the m v P has always been a regular season
Speaker 2: a war. You have finals MVP for the player that
Speaker 2: plays the best in the playoffs and then in the final.
Speaker 2: That's what that should be. But I think the thing
Speaker 2: is is for like s g A. If he could
Speaker 2: go on and get his team to the Western Conference
Speaker 2: Finals or get them to the mv NBA Finals even
Speaker 2: if they don't win. Obviously, if they win, it would
Speaker 2: be a huge accomplishment. I think the voter's gonna, look,
Speaker 2: you know what we've got. We got to reward these
Speaker 2: young guys coming up.
Speaker 3: So so then, but that's the problem.
Speaker 2: You're you're, you're, you're you're gonna That means you're gonna
Speaker 2: screw somebody next year. To me, what you did, that's
Speaker 2: if you right wrong somebody that's Jordan Lebron, Toby so
Speaker 2: y'all been screwing people all the year.
Speaker 3: Keep on screwing them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like that's what I'm saying. Joker wins sixty three
Speaker 2: games next year and he's playing the same way. We're
Speaker 2: gonna be saying Jokers the ND me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well not a less not unlesson be coming
Speaker 1: back healthy.
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna be like, well he was third
Speaker 2: last year, now he's won this year. You gotta get
Speaker 2: into him like he he has a great upside. Like
Speaker 2: what what does Shade do next year to get an end?
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. That's why I say, Jason Tatom,
Speaker 2: I'm averaging thirty. My team is number one. I'm not
Speaker 2: averaging twenty two. I'm managing thirty points a game. What
Speaker 2: do I need to do next year to win an award? Right?
Speaker 3: Because if I average.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight and we're number one, you're gonna say it's
Speaker 2: a down year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Guy, Back back to Shack. I think the part of
Speaker 2: Shack he might not ever met this, but Shaq see
Speaker 2: these guys winning the v MVP's and a little envious
Speaker 2: because and I don't care. Look, I understand that Shaq
Speaker 2: got four titles and he has three finals MVPs, but Shack, no,
Speaker 2: deep down, we should be having a discussion for go Shaq.
Speaker 2: Shaq name has never brought up in a discussion. Now
Speaker 2: we bring his name up with Big Man's, with Will
Speaker 2: Russell and Kareem and rightfully so. But we're never gonna
Speaker 2: see another guy Shack sized with his athleticism that was
Speaker 2: as dominant as him. And he robbed himself because he
Speaker 2: didn't take it serious enough. Did he take it serious?
Speaker 2: Not nearly as serious as he should have. Shaq should
Speaker 2: have five MVP's, Shaq should have seven titles, and I
Speaker 2: think he sees he sees a guy like nicolea Jokic
Speaker 2: that's not as dominant as him and gets three and
Speaker 2: four years and people are talking about him, and they
Speaker 2: never talk about they talk about him dominant big man.
Speaker 2: But see when you his great, they talk about you
Speaker 2: as great basketball player, the goat, and Shaq is never
Speaker 2: brought up when they say Tom Brady, even though he
Speaker 2: plays quarterback. They say Tom Brady is the greatest football player. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 2: you and I debate. We say Jerry, we say Lawrence
Speaker 2: Taylor or whomever. But Tom Brady, although he played quarterback,
Speaker 2: Shack is never brought up in those discussions when it
Speaker 2: comes to goats. He's never in front of Magic, He's
Speaker 2: never in front of Lebron, He's never in front of Jordan,
Speaker 2: He's never in front of Kareem. He's never really in
Speaker 2: front of Russ when we talk about goats, those routes
Speaker 2: Mount rush or Mount Rushmore. And I think a part
Speaker 2: of him is envious of that. But he doesn't have
Speaker 2: anybody to blame but himself.
Speaker 1: But do you think it's because he's a senat though
Speaker 1: obviously when we talk about the.
Speaker 2: Kareem is a center. But okay, Kareem Chamberlain got four.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? Magic got three, Bird
Speaker 2: got three, Mosa Malone was a feeler, he has three?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 3: Old Joe?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, yok I see him as I'm
Speaker 1: trying to he can shoot. He got min ringing shoots
Speaker 1: a three. It's a different type of center for today's game,
Speaker 1: as opposed to Shaq being in the post.
Speaker 3: That hook. Will didn't do nothing but the finger roll.
Speaker 3: So you know what's now?
Speaker 1: Wait, so when when we talk about the greatest basketball
Speaker 1: players of all time, as far as the go conversation,
Speaker 1: Shaq's name is never brought.
Speaker 3: Up in there. Have you ever heard it?
Speaker 1: No, because it's normally just it's normally just Kobe, m
Speaker 1: J and Lebron.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Kareem Now, I never Actually, Kareem doesn't get in the
Speaker 3: credit he deserve.
Speaker 1: On most, it's always the same three names.
Speaker 2: Hey, the NBA players voted and they had Jordan one,
Speaker 2: they had Lebron two, they had Kobe three. But most,
Speaker 2: but when you see most, when they do the analytics
Speaker 2: and they ask all these execs, it's normally Jordan, Lebron kareem, I'm.
Speaker 1: About I'm about us. I ain't talking about how.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, talk, how do you put a guy
Speaker 2: which got the most regular season MVPs before Lebron broke
Speaker 2: his record. He had the most points, the third, most rebounds,
Speaker 2: five titles, two finals MVPs, and you say he's not
Speaker 2: in the goat conversation.
Speaker 3: The same reason we say Bill Russell not in it.
Speaker 3: We just we just do.
Speaker 2: But but here's the thing. Russell was the most important.
Speaker 2: But there are times, I mean, Russell didn't win Rookie
Speaker 2: of the year. Tommay Hayson win Rookie of the Year. Now,
Speaker 2: it had been interesting to see during those eleven titles,
Speaker 2: how many finals MVPs. So let's just say, for the
Speaker 2: sake of argument, he got eight finals MVP or we
Speaker 2: gonna leave him out of the gate go conversation. Now,
Speaker 2: GI you no, sir, because in reality, there's only two
Speaker 2: people arguing for the goat. Whoever you have his third
Speaker 2: you're you're non and you you're irrelevant because you can't
Speaker 2: put any more stats up on the board for you
Speaker 2: to get the number two or number one anyway, So
Speaker 2: when people say, yeah, this is the goat, debate, Shack,
Speaker 2: you're in the goat debate, Bill Rush. You guys don't
Speaker 2: have any more stats, right, there's only if Jordan is
Speaker 2: a goal and they're.
Speaker 3: Saying Lebron is number two.
Speaker 2: The only reason this is still a conversation is because
Speaker 2: Lebron is still trying to get in front.
Speaker 3: Once Lebron stops, there's no more to go debate.
Speaker 2: If he stops at two, right, If he stops at two,
Speaker 2: it's just Michael Jordan, and then whoever comes along and
Speaker 2: he jumps in front of Lebron, then that's the gold debate.
Speaker 2: Once your third, you're in third place. Bro, you got Lebron, right, right,
Speaker 2: there's no debating of that part of it. The only
Speaker 2: reason is a still conversation is because there's still right now.
Speaker 2: When it comes to shock, Shack hates every big man.
Speaker 3: If he have, he does.
Speaker 2: Shaking the fool, going at JaVale McGee and all of them.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like the big man rightfully, so, because that's.
Speaker 1: His position he is.
Speaker 2: In his mind, he is the apex predator. No matter
Speaker 2: what no one says, we don't care. He don't care
Speaker 2: what you say.
Speaker 3: He don't care. You can throw all the championships and
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 2: He if we lace him up and we had to
Speaker 2: in our prime, had to play against each other our prime,
Speaker 2: he thinks he's the Apex predator. Right, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna bust through all y'all. So you guys consider those awards.
Speaker 2: Those awards hurt because it's the m VP's Gil, it's
Speaker 2: the m v P, because you only have one IF
Speaker 2: and that's and that's my argument.
Speaker 3: You and I debated this.
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to put somebody into god conversation
Speaker 2: with one m VP regular season.
Speaker 3: It's hard, gil if hard.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna take somebody with one regular season MVP
Speaker 2: and put him in front of people.
Speaker 3: They got three, they got four, they got five. But hey,
Speaker 3: but this.
Speaker 1: Even without the MVP, right, even without the MVPs. Shacks Listen,
Speaker 1: Shack's dominance during his tenure in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Was like no other.
Speaker 1: It was like no other.
Speaker 2: Just the zone is in because of him. They put
Speaker 2: the zone in because we didn't have enough people to
Speaker 2: guard him. So they said, hey, hey, we can do
Speaker 2: it two three, So that means we can put somebody
Speaker 2: in front of them, somebody behind them, right, and we
Speaker 2: can try to contain them. That zone was not for
Speaker 2: let's make better shooters. It was because no one could guard.
Speaker 2: She Shack wasn't as long as Kareems. It just wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't if you, if you if your basketball. He
Speaker 2: is the one guy he had the most. You could
Speaker 2: talk about the one leg step back, you could talk
Speaker 2: about the step back three. But Kareem, I do a
Speaker 2: jabbar because guess what, I got ten guys that can
Speaker 2: shoot the James Harden step back three. I got fifteen
Speaker 2: guys can shoot the one leg step back. How many
Speaker 2: guys have ever been able to throw the sky hook? Nah? No,
Speaker 2: you're right about that. And I'm I'm saying how many?
Speaker 2: How many guys break back boards on peap But Daryl
Speaker 2: Dawkins was the first.
Speaker 3: Darryl.
Speaker 2: But see they was fighting Darryl. They took finally ten
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. He said, well, I'm done with this because
Speaker 2: they wasn't making the money. If you remember Chocolate Thunder
Speaker 2: was he was the reason why they put the collapsble
Speaker 2: rim in because he was literally taking the rim out
Speaker 2: of the glass. So they put the collapsal rim in
Speaker 2: for Daryl Dawkins. I know that's before y'all time. But
Speaker 2: I remember Darryl, Remember he was Chocolate Thunder. That's when
Speaker 2: they used to let the guys play with gold chains. O, Gil, but.
Speaker 3: You gotta let you.
Speaker 2: But you know, Shaq, that's this is one of those
Speaker 2: things that that's in him. He can't right when you
Speaker 2: think you like that. The same thing with Penny right,
Speaker 2: the envious and Penny the envious of with Kobe right
Speaker 2: the NDAs and when Dwayne Wade he said it out
Speaker 2: his mouth when he went to.
Speaker 3: Cash. You know he was Innvius lebron Right.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a guy who when he came into
Speaker 2: the NBA, you know he was His name was up
Speaker 2: there with make Jordan down there.
Speaker 3: I think you made the rookie?
Speaker 2: Did you make the All Star Game of the rookie?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 1: That power?
Speaker 2: When you young man, you got everything to your disposal.
Speaker 2: When you young man, it's hard than not to walk
Speaker 2: like Superman and act like Superman. And you said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the number one option and you see here, but
Speaker 2: here the fang, Gil, what did they see every stop
Speaker 2: that he went? Did he outwork Penny in Orlando? Did
Speaker 2: he outwork Kobe in La? Did he outwork d Wade
Speaker 2: in Miami did he outwork? You see, he wanted things. See,
Speaker 2: he wanted thing for the work that he didn't put in.
Speaker 2: You see what we talking about Jo When we had
Speaker 2: this conversation the other night. The management sees, see, he thought, well,
Speaker 2: I'm the best player. I ain't got a practice, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And they said, well,
Speaker 2: if that's the case with Penny Kobe, this one, that one,
Speaker 2: so so what are the teams supposed to do? And
Speaker 2: then the injuries. Injuries robbed him because he didn't control
Speaker 2: his weight, he didn't train like he was supposed to.
Speaker 2: And you see what happens. Shaq's supposed to be in
Speaker 2: the goat conversation, Shaq's supposed to have thirty thousand points.
Speaker 2: Shaq's supposed to be a top five rebounder. Hey, why
Speaker 2: y'all bull driving a guy that gets left out, it's
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan. People don't realize how good Dunky was.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 3: He was the bea he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yeah. He don't get the credit. Look,
Speaker 2: we don't there There have been a lot of great
Speaker 2: guys like Elijah Wan with a great big man people
Speaker 2: dream shape, and he was as good I got him.
Speaker 2: He's the best defensive You can make a case he's
Speaker 2: the best defensive player because he.
Speaker 3: Can slide on the pick and roll.
Speaker 2: He can slide, he can get out obviously, blocking shots,
Speaker 2: reap all that other stuff.
Speaker 3: He was fundamentally sound offensive.
Speaker 2: We know about the dream shape, but there are a
Speaker 2: lot of guys that don't get the credit, especially but
Speaker 2: you and Jordan. I mean, because for whatever reason, guys,
Speaker 2: we don't like bigs, because you know what, we gotta
Speaker 2: have a little guy, get you the ball.
Speaker 3: The little guys can have the ball and go get
Speaker 3: their own point.
Speaker 2: Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. They we don't need y'all big. We
Speaker 2: can gonna get out. We take the ball from one
Speaker 2: end to the other. You're not gonna do that, but
Speaker 2: on the case. So the bigs are never going to
Speaker 2: get the credit they deserve in the game of basketball,
Speaker 2: but they're very, very important. And I think Shaq I
Speaker 2: know for a fact, if Shaq would have had let's
Speaker 2: just say, if he'd had my work ethic, he'd had
Speaker 2: forty thousand points.
Speaker 3: But let's just say he had a little bit a
Speaker 3: better work ethic and his diet. What do you think
Speaker 3: what Gil?
Speaker 2: What do you think he could have done with a
Speaker 2: little better work ethic and cleaned up his diet.
Speaker 3: That's been the argument that Kobe had his whole career.
Speaker 2: Right, if you just have somewhat of themis ten Maybe
Speaker 2: not ten because San Antonio, but they had they had,
Speaker 2: I give at least five or six Gill.
Speaker 3: But we was dried like this.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying, Like, think about the skilled
Speaker 2: players today, right, they wouldn't be People don't realized this either.
Speaker 2: All of the power forwards back in ninety six to
Speaker 2: about two thousand and five, have you noticed the center
Speaker 2: when they said the center position is gone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, none. They went to the four man. Everybody was
Speaker 2: scared of Shaquille O'Neill and guarded him. You got seven
Speaker 2: to one dudes perternity sixty. You automatically got put to
Speaker 2: the center. And they didn't want to guard Shack for
Speaker 2: the two or four games, so they went to the
Speaker 2: power forward position and became power force. That's why our
Speaker 2: power forward position is dominant, because they was all scared
Speaker 2: of Shaquille O'Neill. Right, That's just how it was, Like,
Speaker 2: I like, I gotta guard Shack or I'm gonna guard
Speaker 2: a six five Charles Barkley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go to this position. So they all
Speaker 3: moved to the power force.
Speaker 2: So when you look at the power forward position, all
Speaker 2: these dominant biggs, they were supposed to be five men
Speaker 2: seven foot power forwards because they didn't want to guard him.
Speaker 2: So the fact that if he would have just stayed
Speaker 2: in the gym, kept his weight under control, right, there
Speaker 2: was no one, there was no one in the history
Speaker 2: of the game that could have dealt with him. Shack
Speaker 2: had a game. You remember that game Shaq had gil
Speaker 2: He had twenty four points, twenty eight rebound, and fifteen blocks.
Speaker 2: And the twenty four points is that's you got fifty
Speaker 2: two dudes sticking the man we called him for.
Speaker 3: I've never so that.
Speaker 2: There's not been a dude in the league since I played.
Speaker 2: As soon as he thought about like he started ducking in.
Speaker 3: He got the ball. Yet, come on down here, help.
Speaker 3: I been looking at it in the finals.
Speaker 2: Look at what Shaq did in the finals when he
Speaker 2: was in the Lakers, and look at what he did
Speaker 2: when they went head up with him, when Rick smitz
Speaker 2: or or the Kim bay or kid Pole Kenya Martin.
Speaker 2: Look at Shaq's numbers thirty eight and sixteen thirty five
Speaker 2: and fifteen thirty four and fourteen Oh what the only
Speaker 2: guy that can have a problem with it because he
Speaker 2: was gonna make it work on the other end with
Speaker 2: Kim Duncan. Because Tim Duncan was gonna make it work
Speaker 2: on the other eve, and that's what you have to do.
Speaker 2: Elijah Wan gave him problem because Elija want to use
Speaker 2: the quickness, you know, he feel lies you want. He
Speaker 2: thinks he feeled him on the right side. LaJuan is
Speaker 2: already to the left side and he's in front of him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw the ball, So Elija Wan gave him
Speaker 2: problems because La Juana can make it work on the
Speaker 2: other end.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, that's not fair though.
Speaker 2: That was That was a two years shock versus a
Speaker 2: damn NBA MVP, right, that's a that was like MB
Speaker 2: and Winby right now, that ain't under fair.
Speaker 3: We got to wait till they they find out together.
Speaker 2: Man, Look here, check Elija Wa was giving up one
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, Gil damn.
Speaker 3: It was ninety three. You gotta you gotta guy out
Speaker 3: there that was in the back. That was ninety five.
Speaker 3: We're ninety five NBA Finals yet if not okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not about Shack thirty year my bad.
Speaker 2: But he give up pounds, Guil, that'd be like you.
Speaker 2: That'd be like you a grade and they talk about
Speaker 2: a coub O Gill, Come, O Gill.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get it celebrated some minutes. But man, look here,
Speaker 3: and I told you, I said, bro.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit, because because what happens as you
Speaker 2: start to oh Joe, you know this, As you start
Speaker 2: to age, the injury will start to come with greater regularity,
Speaker 2: and they'll keep you down for longer.
Speaker 3: An injury when you're young, keep you down maybe a week.
Speaker 2: As you start to get two three years past, not
Speaker 2: an injury keeps you down for two weeks. Not an
Speaker 2: injury keep you down for a month. Not an injury
Speaker 2: keeps you down for half the season. And so you're like, damn,
Speaker 2: and that's it. If Shaq would have taken it like
Speaker 2: you know what, it was the end all, be all.
Speaker 3: Kobe Jordan.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you couldn't shoot your commercials and do things,
Speaker 2: but what did Jordan do when he shot Space Jail?
Speaker 2: He had a court built at Warner Brothers and they
Speaker 2: played basketball. He called guys in and they who Kobe
Speaker 2: in the gym, Lebron in the gym? Man and Shaq
Speaker 2: did that. So Shaq is looking at Yo Man, this
Speaker 2: joker he twenty nine. They got three MVP three yahn
Speaker 2: Is got to MVP. And and that's and that's why
Speaker 2: I and that's why I say when when people talk
Speaker 2: about the eighties and nineties and and they have this discussion,
Speaker 2: and I say, the difference really is is, yeah, we
Speaker 2: have technology and these guys have history. Right to look
Speaker 2: at where you were successful and where you failed, and
Speaker 2: then they can change it. So the Yokish you you
Speaker 2: can see if he was a lazy dude, hell yeah,
Speaker 2: what's your problem, he had one coming in too, He
Speaker 2: had a way pumpker, but he took care of his body.
Speaker 2: And this is the reward of it. We see Gianni's
Speaker 2: boke up right. We see these guys taking the extra measures.
Speaker 2: There's no Dennis Rodmans in this game. There's no guy
Speaker 2: going to the club Oho partying, drinking all night. Not
Speaker 2: the great one the game out there to score twenty, No, doll,
Speaker 2: that ain't happening. Broke, You're gonna get exposed in this game.
Speaker 2: So these guys, there's so much money and there's so
Speaker 2: many brands that's going on that these guys are all
Speaker 2: walking like a business. They're all thinking like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Right then it was Michael Jordan, and then everybody else
Speaker 2: was getting rewarded for what this man was doing. Now
Speaker 2: everybody wants to be Michael Jordan's brand. So they're all
Speaker 2: acting like a Michael Jordan, a Kobe Bryant, Lebron James.
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna get caught drinking. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do this. I'm not gonna go a lot of the
Speaker 2: play video games, you know. So they're all being under
Speaker 2: the versus everybody just being everybody. Now, when Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: got Tim Grover, not everybody has a personal trainer, everybody
Speaker 2: has a chef, everybody's in the gym, everybody's doing all that.
Speaker 2: All that because Charles Bark and I just had Charles
Speaker 2: Bark on my podcast. He said, man, he said, Shannon,
Speaker 2: when I was two eighty, I can only play like
Speaker 2: first like three to four minutes. And he asked Moses Malone.
Speaker 2: Moses Malone told him, Moses Malone at that point in
Speaker 2: time was a three time MVP.
Speaker 3: He said, Chuck, you fat and you lazy.
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a combination that you could be
Speaker 2: one of the other. You can be fat, but you
Speaker 2: can't be lazy. You could be lazy, but you damn
Speaker 2: you gotta be good. You can't be both. That's too
Speaker 2: bad happens to have. It's like it's like sports, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: you could be one of the others. You could be old,
Speaker 2: but you can't be old an slops. You get to
Speaker 2: be che one, choose one, but choose wisely. But you
Speaker 2: got both of them.
Speaker 3: On your side.
Speaker 2: You own and soap, you fat and lazy. Chuck said,
Speaker 2: I got down to two fifty, so now I can play.
Speaker 2: Chuck led the league in rebounding. Chuck can't be no
Speaker 2: more than what the six four sixty five. He led
Speaker 2: the league in rebounding with the Shacks, with the Elijah Wants,
Speaker 2: with the David Robinson's, with the Patrick Ewings, with all
Speaker 2: those tall guys.
Speaker 3: He led it.
Speaker 2: Because he in shake Zion all, y'all gotta do zi
Speaker 2: Yon get down to two fifty. Zion went to MVP.
Speaker 2: Did y'all see did y'all see him? Against the Lake
Speaker 2: of the last game. Y'all see how easy he got
Speaker 2: farted because he gonna get the way he want to
Speaker 2: and you can't stop it.
Speaker 3: I can't. I listened to that interview and I wanted
Speaker 3: to tag Kevin Durant because he said he said in there,
Speaker 3: uh he said, you know, I was in.
Speaker 2: Philly and I was like, man, I need some help
Speaker 2: ease me before screaming for some health dog yarles. But
Speaker 2: that's what I love about the old dudes. They got,
Speaker 2: they forget, they forget that they packed up. But see
Speaker 2: the way that gil the way they look at it,
Speaker 2: is that the team moved them. The general manager they
Speaker 2: don't like. You get the same results whether you Hey,
Speaker 2: it's either you steal it or somebody give it to you.
Speaker 2: It's theft by possession. You know it's stolen and you
Speaker 2: take it. They gonna take your ass to jail too.
Speaker 2: Even if you stole it, they gonna take your ass
Speaker 2: to jail. It's called receiving stolen goods theft by possession.
Speaker 2: So you in possession of it, you know. So even
Speaker 2: though the general manager moved you, or the tea or
Speaker 2: guys like you know what, man, I want to play
Speaker 2: with you a gil, Hey, Gil, me, you and Oho,
Speaker 2: we're gonna team up tonight. Well, people probably mad at
Speaker 2: us because we put this together and not some corporation.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: See, it'll be cool if a corporation that you know what,
Speaker 2: we want to start a podcast. We picked this guy,
Speaker 2: we picked that guy, We picked this guy. No, I
Speaker 2: say we're gonna start a podcast. I would pick the team. Hey,
Speaker 2: you could you want to do that?
Speaker 3: Hey, let's rocky.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm saying saying, yeah, I need more help or
Speaker 2: trade meg. It's the same day you won't out and
Speaker 2: you want to go to a better team because you
Speaker 2: don't have enough.
Speaker 3: You blame me your team. Right, it's the same thing. Man.
Speaker 2: That's why I say you can't go on your podcast today.
Speaker 3: Or your the TNT and ESPN and then.
Speaker 2: Kill players for who you were right. Say, hey, man, listen,
Speaker 2: I understand did it like this? I regret the internet,
Speaker 2: So don't be like yeah, don't be like me, but
Speaker 2: don't pretend like we do have internet.
Speaker 3: We can go we can go there. We can go
Speaker 3: to nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Four Philly articles, Charles Barkley quotes and then start reading.
Speaker 2: We can do that. We got the benefit today Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 3: What Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: Gobert becomes the third player in the NBA history to
Speaker 2: win the awards four time, joining the Kim Baiman Tumbo
Speaker 2: and Ben Wallace.
Speaker 3: What do we got steals per game?
Speaker 2: Go beart with was zero point seven blocks per game,
Speaker 2: two point one defensive rating, one oh four point four.
Speaker 2: Wimby one point two steals a game, three point nine
Speaker 2: blocks a game, one point or one hundred and five
Speaker 2: point eight defensive rating. But when people say, oh, team rating,
Speaker 2: look at the defensive rating when Wimby's on the court.
Speaker 2: I thought Wemby should have won the award because I thought,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 3: What do you think? Gil?
Speaker 2: It's called defensive player team, not defensive team. So if
Speaker 2: you're saying, you know, with this is an argument we
Speaker 2: had today. If Rudy doesn't have to be as great
Speaker 2: because his team is great and he just gets to
Speaker 2: do the cleanup.
Speaker 3: So basically he's running his engine at a back out
Speaker 3: a seventy.
Speaker 2: Five to fifty on his defensive because everybody's good, and
Speaker 2: you have a guy who's running out of one hundred
Speaker 2: to just keep his team like locked into game, he
Speaker 2: becomes the better defensive player right at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. Listen, I don't want to knock somebody for
Speaker 2: winning an award just for for I think it's better
Speaker 2: for us to really understand, how are you guys voting,
Speaker 2: what is the voting metrics? Give us everything that you're
Speaker 2: looking at, so we can see it as a whole,
Speaker 2: because all the stats we're looking at right now says otherwise.
Speaker 2: I think there needs to just be explanations on how
Speaker 2: are they voting, what are they're looking at, what they're seeing,
Speaker 2: so we can get a better understanding. Because I don't
Speaker 2: want to say he does deserve it, this guy deserves it,
Speaker 2: and then your metrics is this, and I think their
Speaker 2: metrics is there, Joe, So I mean that before you
Speaker 2: go out, want to say, Joe, the Timberwolves without Rudy
Speaker 2: Gobert Hell the Denver Nuggets, the reigning champs to eighty point.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's that's a good one. I knew,
Speaker 1: I knew were gonna say that. But listen, if Rudy's
Speaker 1: if he's if he's one of three times before or right,
Speaker 1: and obviously he's wanted because of his defense and then
Speaker 1: we have women when By Yama who comes, Yeah, whim
Speaker 1: By Yama, who's coming now, who is also good on
Speaker 1: the defensive end and the offensive end. I think they
Speaker 1: give it to Rudy Gobert again for a four time
Speaker 1: because he's so efficient defensively. Whatever those statistics are that
Speaker 1: they go off of, I think they give him the
Speaker 1: edge because that's all he is known for, is playing
Speaker 1: just defense. Now, I could be wrong. I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I think I think that's that's really what it
Speaker 1: is based off because he is strictly a defensive player
Speaker 1: because on offense, he damned their liability.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: If they were this vast discrepancy with the defensive rating
Speaker 2: per team, Rudy the timber Wolves was one oh four
Speaker 2: point four, Wimby is one oh five point eight. But
Speaker 2: Wimby beats him in deflections, beats him in block shots,
Speaker 2: beats him and steels.
Speaker 3: I'm confused. And we're talking about with less time too.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, when you say defensive player, we're looking at
Speaker 2: the metrics. We're like, clearly, this guy is doubling the
Speaker 2: production on defense as a individual, and this is an
Speaker 2: individual award, So what are we missing, like like the
Speaker 2: sixth man, Huh, my metrics are the sixth man had
Speaker 2: it Kobe White.
Speaker 3: So Kingan challenged me and go back all the way
Speaker 3: to when it first started.
Speaker 2: So I went all the way to eighty four, and
Speaker 2: then I went through everything and realized Maxi did deserve it,
Speaker 2: and then the reason he deserved it. Yes, Kobe was
Speaker 2: a plus ten or plus thirteen. Maxy was a plus six.
Speaker 2: But the difference is from last year to this year,
Speaker 2: he became an All Star, which is most improved.
Speaker 3: He improved All Star.
Speaker 2: All three people who production wasn't that high, they won
Speaker 2: an award, which that was the statedout. So I caught that.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, I want to see the metrics
Speaker 2: of what they're using so I can understand how they're voting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, just like I said, if
Speaker 2: there was such a discrepancy, let's just say the Spurs
Speaker 2: were when winby on the court with one ten, one twelve.
Speaker 2: That's a big disparity. But when you look at the
Speaker 2: only thing that and it's like you said, Gil is
Speaker 2: defensive player. He's better in steels, he's better in blocks,
Speaker 2: he's better in deflections. And you see, guys there are
Speaker 2: three on one and when By is back them, guys said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm good, let's go on out here by the three.
Speaker 2: I ain't messing with it. I don't want no parts
Speaker 2: of that because I know he gonna throw it up
Speaker 2: in the stands. Speaking of Gobert, a reporter had a
Speaker 2: question for aunt Man today. Let's take a listen to
Speaker 2: what ant had to say. You got a tattoo of
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert's face anywhere on your body for the Templewolves
Speaker 2: to guarantee win the championship this.
Speaker 3: Year, you would do it?
Speaker 1: What part of your body?
Speaker 3: Would you get it?
Speaker 5: On? Arm?
Speaker 2: You would do it. You can't get rid of it,
Speaker 2: you can't for guaranteed guaranteed tip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my that's my dog.
Speaker 3: Heal.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a chip, I'm gonna be a Chiplets
Speaker 2: more folk man, for a rint, for a rint, mm hmm,
Speaker 2: I'll put.
Speaker 3: Attached to a Rudie right now? For one more? Give
Speaker 3: me one? He knew me.
Speaker 2: Look, look, you don't even gotta let me play the NBA.
Speaker 2: Give me two new knees so I can just go
Speaker 2: out there and run again. I'll get get right here,
Speaker 2: I get him and in this baby right here on
Speaker 2: the other side. Oh man, a little gobot.
Speaker 3: You some of the things.
Speaker 1: I already got forty four? What's one more? It ain't
Speaker 1: gonna matter. It definitely aint gonna matter, for for for
Speaker 1: a championship.
Speaker 3: So you look, huh you got one of those brands
Speaker 3: on your no.
Speaker 1: Because I got a brand. Man got one of those brands.
Speaker 1: So I ain't got no brand. Yeah, I ain't got
Speaker 1: no brand.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay,