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<v Speaker 3>The Knicks beat the Pacers tonight one thirty one twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a situation where Jelen Brunson went down early, like

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<v Speaker 2>midway through the first quarter, mister man of the first

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<v Speaker 2>all the set first half, and then he came back

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<v Speaker 2>and he seemed to have energized them. So they come

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<v Speaker 2>back and get a hard fault win one one. Gil.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start with you tonight. What did you like

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<v Speaker 2>about what the Knicks did? And what didn't you like

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<v Speaker 2>about what the Pacers did? I mean, what the what

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<v Speaker 2>the even what Brunson did? It clearly shows he's the

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<v Speaker 2>heart and beat of that that team. They were up

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<v Speaker 2>eleven when he went down. As soon as he get hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>they went down eleven. So it was a minus twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two when he was out of again going time and

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as he comes back, you can see the

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<v Speaker 2>energy to soul, the patience, the leadership that they brings.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the glaring tale of the Knicks. That

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<v Speaker 2>that is their heartbeat. Now, if Indy and that takes

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<v Speaker 2>anything from this game, it should tell you take out

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the snake. The head of the snake

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<v Speaker 2>is out, the rest of the snake falls right, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes out. They're basically a twenty two a twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>point run around. Why are you playing one on one

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<v Speaker 2>against him? He's a one on one assassin. He leads

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA in fourth quarter points and what's the new thing?

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<v Speaker 5>They have?

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<v Speaker 3>Fourth quarter points?

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<v Speaker 2>Clutch points points here they got the new thing clutch points.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know that, but they got He leads it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that he leads in clutch points and

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<v Speaker 2>fourth quarter points let you know this is a dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>man to be trying to guard one on one. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have any basketball knowledge, Rick Carlisle does just double

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<v Speaker 2>them at this point, just double them. He's improved one

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<v Speaker 2>on one. You cannot stop this man, are we? Are

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<v Speaker 2>we sure Rick Carlisle has basketball knowledge because for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason he keeps putting them hard on Brunson. And every

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<v Speaker 2>time and every time Brunson sees him, he thinks ox tails,

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks mac and cheeve, he thinks candy yam, he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks neck bone, he thinks corn bread, he thinks cola green.

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<v Speaker 3>He's thinking it's Sunday dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause you cook it at TJ McConnell comes in. He

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<v Speaker 2>only played. He gave you ten points in twelve sis

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<v Speaker 2>in the limited minutes. And what he's doing more so

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<v Speaker 2>than them hard, he's making Brunson work. Okay, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>not about being able to stop him because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous one on one player, but you gotta make him work.

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<v Speaker 2>He does minimal effort. When nim Hard is guardening, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to shooting over the top of him. You see

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<v Speaker 2>what you call him, it's picking him up ninety four feet.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know what, you might get some basket,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're gonna work for and that's what you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>After the first game, you see Mim hard and you

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<v Speaker 2>see him struggle, and I agree, at some point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to get the ball out of his hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna have to make Josh hart You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have Hartenstein. You have to make other guys beat you,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's proven through the course of the year he

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<v Speaker 2>can beat anybody. I'm not gonna let him beat me.

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<v Speaker 2>Pascal Siakam, Now that's two games you've been bull driving. Now, Tyreez.

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<v Speaker 2>Halliburton redeemed himself. He had six points on six shots.

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<v Speaker 2>He played well, and I get it he only had

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<v Speaker 2>twelve points in the second half. But sometimes you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be selfish sometimes you like, you know what, y'all bull driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go ahead and do this thing on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven of nineteen seven of eleven from a three, Pascal Siakam,

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<v Speaker 2>you bull drive the night. Miles Turner. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you was on tonight, but you gotta do better.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta do better than what you gave him. Oh, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he ain't played well last four games, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, and the last two against Menwaukee in East

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<v Speaker 2>he ain't.

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<v Speaker 3>Really you're talking about Miles Turner.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about Pascal Pascal, but neither one of them

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<v Speaker 2>played good in the first two games, and they need

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<v Speaker 2>to play better because look at the bitch points pay

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<v Speaker 2>for in two games ninety two the Knicks fifteen bitch points,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Knicks are up to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, Hey, hey, I enjoyed the game. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a good game. I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>That goddamn Josh Hart. I know everybody we want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Jalen Brunson, This Jalen Brunson that obviously went

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<v Speaker 1>out in the first quarter, missed the whole first half,

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<v Speaker 1>but that goddamn Josh Hart. I think he is responsible

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<v Speaker 1>in more of the reason because of his rebounding prowess

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<v Speaker 1>and getting those second chance points on why they are

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<v Speaker 1>winning well, kind of running away with the game at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point because of those rebounds that he's getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Brunson broh unbelievable, unbelievable, the piggyback off of what

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<v Speaker 1>Gil said talk about being the heart and soul of

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<v Speaker 1>that team. Though it's crazy. Obviously, I didn't expect the

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<v Speaker 1>Knicks to be this far into the playoffs for one,

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<v Speaker 1>for starters mhmm, and to see them playing the way

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing, to see them handling the pacers the way

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<v Speaker 1>they're handling the pacers is a sight to see after

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<v Speaker 1>it's been so long since the niggas have had what

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<v Speaker 1>playoff appearances like this? When's the last thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in the playoffs last year? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think what you call them, beat them? Beat them? I

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<v Speaker 3>think the heat knocked them.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, knocked him out in the first though. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when's the last time they've been to the Hey, how

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<v Speaker 1>you see it the right way?

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<v Speaker 3>The Eastern Conference finals or the NBA finals like the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, that's that's what I was trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get them terminology, right, I gotta give them

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<v Speaker 1>terminal terminologies together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know what becomes the bruntsing? I mean

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<v Speaker 3>not bunting, but when it comes to heart his value.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of those guys, man that you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what you just put him out there right right,

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<v Speaker 2>like you do, do you right, and we'll figure this

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<v Speaker 2>shit out later.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much I can pay you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll make it up in the back. We'll make

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<v Speaker 2>it up for you. He's that type of player, right

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<v Speaker 2>type of player where like he will take a pay

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<v Speaker 2>cut for the team. Get you know, he's gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a coaching job, he's gonna be on the staff. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that player. He's such a glue player. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>need him to score nineteen and fifteen rebounds, he gonna

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<v Speaker 2>beat that. Like they Lets you know now what Westbrook

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<v Speaker 2>did then, is needed a guy who's gonna go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and just get it done. You need fifteen rebounds

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I got to coach, you need, you need nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to coach, you need seven, seven assists, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Just just let me know what you need me to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the handy man around here.

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<v Speaker 2>The best compliment I can pay him, play pay him

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<v Speaker 2>is he's a basketball player.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he is. Gil.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't really assign a title a one

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<v Speaker 2>or two or three or four or five. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>basketball player. He'll do whatever you need to get done. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>hey Son, we need you to play defense tonight. Okay, Son,

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<v Speaker 2>we need you to give us fifteen to twenty points. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>coach Son, we need you to give us somewhere between

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<v Speaker 2>ten and fifteen rebounds. Okay, coach, you know what, Son,

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<v Speaker 2>we need you to you know what, We're gonna run

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<v Speaker 2>the offen it through you tonight, Okay, coach, whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>need And see this is why you have to watch

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<v Speaker 2>to understand because if you look at the offensive rebounds,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, well, Indy, our offenser, our offensive rebound them

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<v Speaker 2>by two. But look at when the Knicks got the

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<v Speaker 2>rebounds in the fourth quarter, when the game was won

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<v Speaker 2>was one to put one possession game.

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<v Speaker 3>They got possession after possession, and.

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<v Speaker 2>When Indy couldn't get a rebound, or if they'd have

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<v Speaker 2>got the rebound, could have maybe tied the game or

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<v Speaker 2>win ahead. Guess what happens now the Kniggs get no

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, now, the Pacers get the rebound and get

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<v Speaker 2>to put back either two and one or three. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that was the difference in the ball game. Late

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<v Speaker 2>in the ball game, they couldn't keep they couldn't keep

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<v Speaker 2>Josh hart They keep couldn't keep Hartenstein off the glass.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at you, Miles another mile Turners. He

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<v Speaker 2>looking around like, who did into what fun? I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>get on your ass on the glass, you seven foot tall?

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<v Speaker 2>This was this was I mean, we know gil o Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>when you start, when you like watch the Pacers. We

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<v Speaker 2>know they don't play no defense. The next shot fifty

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent from the floor. They shot forty seven from

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<v Speaker 2>the three. You not gonna beat very many teams unless

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot sixty percent from the floor and sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>from the three, because they're gonna get whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 3>And you saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruston, So just imagine Bruston finished the night with twenty

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<v Speaker 2>with twenty nine for twenty nine points. How many points

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<v Speaker 2>you think you would have got? Caddy played the entire

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<v Speaker 2>ball game. It's another forty piece. I'm disappointed because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see him get five and say get a

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<v Speaker 2>forty pieces because that's what he's gotta got, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he would have gotten. Now, Rick Carlile, now you well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the way we play, and this is what

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<v Speaker 2>God is here. Now you can leave them hard on

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<v Speaker 2>him if you want to. And you're going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to show your philosophy. You know sometimes, well we played,

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<v Speaker 2>oh Jo, you know in football, we play the way

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<v Speaker 2>we play.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't flock corners.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you better take your best corner and you better

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<v Speaker 2>let him get frequent five miles because he damn your

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<v Speaker 2>better travel because if you don't, that number one wide

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<v Speaker 2>out is gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Eat your number two and three corners up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have I have a question, Yes if coach,

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<v Speaker 1>If coach says that's the way they play and that's

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<v Speaker 1>his philosophy, and then not changing because he's gonna stick

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<v Speaker 1>to what he feels his work to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>this point throughout the entirety of the year. So when

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<v Speaker 1>they play in Indiana, which I'm assuming is what maybe Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>Friday or Saturday, Yes, Friday, Saturday, and Nimrod is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be back on Jalen running again.

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<v Speaker 2>So fortym hard, nim hard out, nim had them hard,

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<v Speaker 2>nim hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, like them hard, nim hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Them hard, them hard. So I mean, obviously the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing is gonna happen. So it's safe to say since

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<v Speaker 1>coach philosophy and he's basically saying he's not gonna change

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<v Speaker 1>because this is the way we do things. So is

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<v Speaker 1>this series basically over at.

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<v Speaker 2>This point if they continue to play jayaler Brunson one

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<v Speaker 2>on one, Yes, it's it's idiotic, Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why this is not a regular season.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the playoffs, right, exactly, playoffs you're playing against

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<v Speaker 2>specialty players.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have a general offense now I mean a defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when we play in the regular season, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, if he can shoot, we're gonna go over,

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<v Speaker 2>or if he can shoot, we can switch. If he

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<v Speaker 2>can't shoot, let's go under. You have if he's on

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<v Speaker 2>the left side pushing baseline. You know you have typical defense,

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<v Speaker 2>right right. It gets you through the season. When the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs start, you have to really adjust to specialty players.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just say, oh, jay Len Brust'll were just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna switch. If he sees that he's gonna pick out

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<v Speaker 2>the week he gets person on the defense and he

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<v Speaker 2>go call the screen from them.

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<v Speaker 3>And go go at him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you come like I used to do a pick

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<v Speaker 2>and roll with him. But bring him over here, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get him. They we usually get the year rolls on.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get the year roll over here. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and bop him a couple of times and score.

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<v Speaker 2>So you usually pick on the weakest person. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have to change your defense for certain players. You might

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<v Speaker 2>not be it you first round normal defense. This round

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<v Speaker 2>they have a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a guy, so they don't really need to do

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<v Speaker 2>anything defensively. Different than what they've been doing. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a specialty guy, probably one of the most dangerous people

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter. Right now, you have to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on him the whole game, especially in the fourth right

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<v Speaker 2>if they get to the next round. There's two people

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<v Speaker 2>that does this, right, so you have to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to change it up for the personnal. You can't be standard.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is not a call because what you

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<v Speaker 2>got a little bit different round. Yeah, because what happens,

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<v Speaker 2>o Jo is that I'm playing Miami one night, then

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<v Speaker 2>I got Orlando, then I got Atlanta, I got Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 2>But seeing a seven game series, you're specialized. And normally

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<v Speaker 2>once you get to the playoffs, everybody has a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that can go get buckets.

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<v Speaker 3>Some teams have two guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the Dallas Mavericks, they got two guys

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<v Speaker 2>that you can put the ball in their hands and

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<v Speaker 2>they can go get your bucket.

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<v Speaker 1>Krrie and Luca you got two.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at look at Denver Murray, Yo, put the

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<v Speaker 2>ball in the hand, go get your budgets. Carl Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Towns and man can go get you buckets. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when you got a guy that can go get you buckets,

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<v Speaker 2>and most guys in the NBA are great because you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be good if you can't play one on one.

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<v Speaker 3>The great look at the great players. They can all

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<v Speaker 3>go one on one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can go one on one and you give it,

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<v Speaker 2>you give a guy a steady diet, he'll build up

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<v Speaker 2>a resistance to it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then now he don't see the ball go in.

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<v Speaker 2>See the problem with the hand is they let Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brunson see the ball go in a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>He hit his first couple of shots in the third, Kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>The baby could go ahead, kiss the baby, put the

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<v Speaker 2>baby to bed, because because you know your ass about

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<v Speaker 2>to be up all night, you have some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I'm gonna get him that when the baby

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<v Speaker 2>go down, because I already know he went down too early,

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<v Speaker 2>and my ass about to be up all night, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get to sleep when they get some sleep. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you let him, You let brothers start to cook. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, You're gonna be up all night because

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<v Speaker 2>he about to tell your ass up.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I don't know much about basketball, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>know the same as it goes for us. Once we

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<v Speaker 1>catch a football in the game, just the first catch

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<v Speaker 1>and you get that feeling and that confidence and you

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<v Speaker 1>get in that rhythm. I'm assuming Gilli is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>same when it comes to basketball. Once you hit two

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<v Speaker 1>or three shots and that confidence and you and you

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<v Speaker 1>in the rhythm and you feeling yourself, it is hell

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<v Speaker 1>after that. It's hell for everybody after that.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, what dB you cooked? Who has lunched me

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<v Speaker 3>for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody except read every everybody?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, imagine the person that that's that's defending

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<v Speaker 2>you play one on one.

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<v Speaker 3>You got seven games with this dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh coaching the coaches like, nah, we're just gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>them straight up. That's what we've been doing all year exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame jacket, where.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you at?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to be a start just off them. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what y'all will do. Y'all will let y'all

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<v Speaker 2>will let the lineback and run with me up the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Take me to the seven, let me on the out

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<v Speaker 2>the far cross. That's what you're okay, that's easy word,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But then basically, these losses, these losses in these forty

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<v Speaker 1>point games, obviously he only had twenty nine a night.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as Bronson goes, uh, it's on the head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>the because he's not making the proper adjustments to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to stop him. Maybe you can't stop it, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least contain him and force everybody else to beat you. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>even even in supporting Kansas having good games and putting

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<v Speaker 1>up points as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But the playing is you got to make it difficult

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<v Speaker 2>on him. You got to slow him down. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>let him come down. And every every shot he put up,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on what was he he was level of eighteen? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, he missed almost fifteen minutes of the game, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so at that praise, he only met pro like Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I'm guarding, if I'm guarding Brunson, you

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<v Speaker 2>know I've played against these guys. I've watched these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I seen how they they When you're that small, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a knack for putting the ball in the back.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been small your whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been playing against taller guys since you was probably

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<v Speaker 2>in middle school. Yes, right, so you've adjusted to this

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:52.720
<v Speaker 2>height since you was a kid. Nothing new for you. You

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<v Speaker 2>do not play Nimrod. You did not play was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who was it? MCCONAGEU, it was, it was, it was

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<v Speaker 2>Memo hard and Nieman McConnell comes in and picks him

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<v Speaker 2>up something. But they try to, They try to.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want you don't want none of them, none

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<v Speaker 3>of them on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, who are you gonna put yack him?

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<v Speaker 1>You need you can't put him.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't do he can't do not with what you call it.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't do no with Og. So how to help

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<v Speaker 3>he go?

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<v Speaker 2>Guard Og is stronger than him. So what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>is with Brunton himself, I want someone who's taller and

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<v Speaker 2>has the arm Lynn, because all brunt is gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>is just hit you with his body. Because he's stronger,

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna hit you with his body. Turn around, Jumper,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're the same height, if you're anywhere from six

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<v Speaker 2>to two to six seven yo, know you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>bother his shot. He's used to that, he's used to

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<v Speaker 2>that armand so you need someone who's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>longer to make him shot a little bit higher. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna stop him. All he's gonna do is try

0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.639
<v Speaker 2>to get more into your body, hit you, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna try to spend fade and your arm length

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to to shot a little bit even

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<v Speaker 2>if I can't guarding him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's cooking me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because once he hits me with the body, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>back up a little bit and he's gonna be able

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.639
<v Speaker 2>to shoot the jerky. So using his body to create

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<v Speaker 2>that distance, it's just like a math equation, right, Or

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 2>you have long arms, Okay, you jump a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>so I need about two feet boom. Okay, that's it right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's all he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kid Now when they think about a gear, ain't

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<v Speaker 1>that the same thing that that move Carmelo do. He

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>always put that shoulder you just to create a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of space, a little bit of.

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<v Speaker 2>Space you're trying to dis lodge you if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to dislodge them off that spot. A lot of times

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 2>what guys are doing they're trying to jaw off into files.

0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 2>So they're trying to plot and they're not gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>you that. They're not gonna give you that come postseason.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to earn files in the postseason, especially on

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a player like Jaylen Brunson, because that's his game. Dip

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the shoulder dislodge you off the spot, whether he's trying

0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.040
<v Speaker 2>to shoot a jumper or he's trying to get to

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.160
<v Speaker 2>spot and get to the basket. But they're not gonna

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 2>give you those calls. At some point in time, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep letting guys. Og left and he didn't play

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.320
<v Speaker 2>it in tire fourth quarter, but he had twenty eight.

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Brunson missed fifteen minutes of the game. He missed the

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<v Speaker 2>entire second quarter. He had twenty nine. Devincenzo, he had

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight. Josh Hart had nineteen. Hartenstein had fourteen. At

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 2>some point in time, you can't keep letting their starters

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.359
<v Speaker 2>get double figures. You can't let three guys and their

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.800
<v Speaker 2>starters have twenty in the high twenties and shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>Og was ten of nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Brunson was eleven of the eighteen devincenzo with ten of twenty.

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.760
<v Speaker 2>If you go back and look at it, only McBride

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 2>that played at least twenty minutes, only one guy shot

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.280
<v Speaker 2>less than fifty percent. Og was ten of nineteen, Hartenstein

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 2>was five or seven. Jaylen Brunson was eleven of eighteen.

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Josh Hart was eight of twelve, Deevin Cenzo ten of twenty.

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Who the hell you beating let in the place in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason, You little thief shoot fifty do you understand?

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 3>O Joe probably shoot around. You couldn't shoot fiftys then percent.

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 3>This is a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is no different than with Miami, I mean

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>not Miami but Phoenix Suns.

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, they was all focused on offense, no defense.

0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>And then when it comes to the playoffs and you

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.640
<v Speaker 2>really need to lock down defense defensively.

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't there.

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>The you don't have the the the muscle memory to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, you know, doing it a certain way, you're

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna give up. You're gonna like it's one of those things.

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>Is you can pick him up full court? Yes, because

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 2>he's not a great ball handler in a sense of

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:42.360
<v Speaker 2>like him.

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.679
<v Speaker 3>Or h Halle is not great ball yet of us.

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 2>They're not re irving, right, they're not John Wall right,

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 2>so they're fumble trying to get past you. They're great

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>in the half court, so yeah, you try to tire

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>me out in the back court, I'm gonna just pass

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>it to Josh hart Broom. So this is this is

0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>just it's some matchup tweet. This is just a matchup tweet.

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 2>But it seems like New York got a counter for

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 2>all of it.

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 3>They do.

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 2>We've said this all year, Andyanna's looking to outscore you.

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the magic number for the

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>next they got to one thirty. The Pacers are trying

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to get to one thirty, one to thirty five. They

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:22.479
<v Speaker 2>don't play defense. They don't have outstanding wing defenders. Miles

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 2>Turner is a great help defender, but because his offense

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 2>is lacking, he's lacking on defense. Normally they tie together.

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 2>You play good offensively, you get some steals, you get

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 2>block shots, you play good defensively. All of a sudden,

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the basket starts to the ball starts to go in

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the basket. But give the knickt credit because when Brunson

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>came back in. You see you could see it from

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the television, even though I don't have my sound on.

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>You could see the people standing because they're like, okay,

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>our saviors back. You see them now. All of a sudden,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Deevin Chimzo is shooting the ball. Oh, they're about to

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>go in. JB on the court. Josh Hart like, hey, man,

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>if I get this rebound, kick this thing back to JB.

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh we good Hartenstein all of a sudden, he's crashing

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>the boards even harder. And the thing is is, because

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they're crashing the boards, you're not making them pay. See

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 2>now you crash the boards, Josh Hart doing on that

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>board crashing. Y'all got to get that rebound and get

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the ball out, get it the head, get some even

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 2>transition points.

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 3>But the Knicks give them credit.

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I thought the minutes would catch up with him, Gil

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>because you know Tims, he likes to play his guys heavy,

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>heavy minutes. Deevin Cienzo played forty four minutes, Josh Hart

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>again played all forty eight.

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Hartenstein played thirty nine.

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson played thirty two, but he missed fifteen minutes

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>of the ball game.

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, that's what he's doing is just old basketball. Right.

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 3>You know when we played, we didn't come out of

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the game. Lebron didn't come out again.

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Not in the playoffs, George, you might have game not

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs, right, do you know how to manage

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the time in the playoffs with timeouts longer T and

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>T or ESPN and commercial breaks, so you're gonna get

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 2>your rest. But what I love about this series is

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think New York fans understand the rules of

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the NBA, all right, sit in the seats. I seen

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 2>somebody behind the basket get up from his seat and

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 2>yell at the REP like he almost came.

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know seeing this, But New York is

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 3>wild right now? Yeah? Right? You got two dudes sitting

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.199
<v Speaker 3>there like this. Ain't this ain't a root to.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Sit down right there in there, yelling at the rep,

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 2>picking the ball up, wiping it off.

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, they crazy out there. They turned up.

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>That's dope, man, it is.

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean the next look, there's a reason why they

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>call Madison Square Garden the Mecca. Yeah, and when the

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Knicks are good, there's no better place to be there. Looks,

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you want the Knicks, you want the Celtics, you want

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers, obviously, not the Warriors.

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 3>And if you know, if you get the bulls sprinking

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 3>the bulls in there, you be straight.

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.639
<v Speaker 2>But if you got the Knicks, the Lakers, the Celtics

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and the Warriors, you gotta you got a good old

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>NBA is popping. You got them teams goody.

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Hey?

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, Hypothetically speaking, I mean, I'm not not wishing

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>any bad luck on the Knicks. But if the Knicks,

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.199
<v Speaker 1>if the Knicks Winny series, who do they?

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 3>Who are they?

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Who?

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Who do you think they're facing next?

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Coon? Facing the Celtics next?

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>He said, why, he said, can't coon.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Because it's about to be full one. You know who?

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>They facing the team that wiped y'all out. They're gonna

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>play them.

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So wait a minute, So you what you're saying, You

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>saying the Knicks don't have a chance to beat beat

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 1>the Celtics in the seven game series.

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 3>Be coon.

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be in being can Coon, drinking pinion coladas.

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 2>They did great. Nobody's gonna be mad at them. Man,

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>nobody listen. There's sometimes there's some forces you facing life

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that just got your number and it just better suited

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>to do what they do. They play in Boston, right,

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>they got stars over there, They got a team over there.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 3>They played defense over there. They got over there.

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a two headed munster in Boston, Jayson Brown and

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Jason Tatum.

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And then and then they gotta they got a Josh Harp.

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>They gotta they got a white who plays defense. Yeah,

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>they porzingis that when he comes back, they just resting him. Now,

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>see nobody's paying attention to them because they've win in

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>every game by twenty plus.

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>So you so you're not even giving a Nicks a

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>chance if they I mean, once they get to the

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>next round.

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>For one, and then then whatever those dudes want on

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 2>their contract, give it to them, because they they.

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:45.479
<v Speaker 3>Earned every dollar.

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>See, I've never seen New York like this, right, see

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the New York. I know they gonna boo as soon.

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 3>As the scorers to five o.

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Five, they bow it. I've known the garden and beat.

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I seen a little turn up, a little turn up

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>with Jeremy Lynn of course. And then oh yeah, I

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>remember Land when Trey Young got in that building.

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh and it was going at it back

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and forth. That was dope right here.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Different, Oh this is different, and you know, you know

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be sick. When they played Boston, oh because yeah,

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Nicks and Boston.

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Hey, when the Knicks was good, when Spree Whale and

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Allen Houston was that right? They was good back then? Huh?

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Ninety Well they went to they went they went to

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>their finals in ninety what that was that ninety five?

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Ninety four?

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>That was ninety four because they lost to Houston because

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Houston swept Orlando the next year and I think they

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>went ninety nine and they ended up losing to the Spurs.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if Free, I don't know if

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>it was Free on that team. Then I don't think

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Spree was on that team. Then the Allen Houston team,

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was on that team.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Then, Oh he wasn't.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I think he was was the early nineties.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Don't think Spree.

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Spree was there yet to state damn, Yeah,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>but yeah they were. They were, like I said, when

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>they're when they're good, when the Knicks are the Gardener's rocket,

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 2>it's the Mecca.

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 3>They call it the Mecca.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh. No building has had more historical events from the

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Beatles to the Whole the Cab to Kevin Hart to

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>boxing matches, lead I mean, you you name it. That

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>building has hosted it, Elton John it doesn't matter. So

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>when it yeah, I mean they just be honest, man.

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>They probably got some he was, uh, he was there

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. Spree was there ninety nine. He was on

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that uh with Alan Houston. But that was was that

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the year? Was that the year that what you gonna

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>hit that shot? Was that the year that?

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 3>You gonna hit that four point play? Uh? Grandmama, you never.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Hit that four point play because they was down like two,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and I think he ended up hitting a four point

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>play or something. Maybe they were down three and he

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>ended up hitting a four point play. But uh, yeah,

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>it was so I don't know, Yeah, that was it.

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>It is a hold hold on, hold on, I got

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to call hi down. I gotta make the shot now.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 2>It don't mean nothing if I wan't make the shot. Yeah,

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you're right, you're right.

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 3>But the next beat the Pacers one thirty one twenty one.

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson comes back in the second half, breathed life

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>a team that.

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Was down eleven.

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>They going to win by nine thanks to Jalen brunson heroics,

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Devincenzo with sensational again, Josh og Adanobe.

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be an interesting situation there, gil if Ogg.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>It looked like he pulled his hamstring. It did look bad?

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Did it did look bad? Uh? Uh? You know what

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 2>do I say about Josh Shard? I can't say enough

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>good things about him. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>he might be leading the playoffs in rebounding and he's

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 2>six four.

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. That's why, that's why, that's why I compared

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>it to the god damn Dennis Robin. I'm not I'm

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>not calling Dennis Rodman undersize. But Rodney was all over

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the place. It's just like he had a knack and

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>always knowing where the ball was gonna land. If it

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't land where he was at, he was going to

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>get it.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Yep. This lets you know. This lets you know one thing. Man,

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>he's been. He was with it with the Lakers, with

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>the Pelicans, right, he was like free man.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, he's over at the Knicks. You have a coach

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that believes in you. Right, I'm not taking you out.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>This is your job, this is your team. Go out

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>there and play that that I need you feeling that

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>a coach can give a player.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 3>You're seeing it right now in real time.

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>So when you think you need to yell at a

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>player I needed to, you can see positive reinforcement.

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Get that this man will run through a wall for

0:32:58.080 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 3>that team. Yep.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>This is not the same shots that was in Pelicans

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>or in Los Angeles. You're looking at him like, man,

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>why we have him here? Because you didn't have a

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>coach that believed in them like that one does right here.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's that's the difference. And you know he

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>believes in him if he takes a shot. You know,

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of times you get with coach

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>or something, we don't want you to shoot, you pass it.

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>He pulls up from three till don't given. And he's

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>hit some big threes. Hit one against Philly, hit won

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the first game against Indiana. So Tims gives him the

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>confidence that he can go out there and play his game.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>And if he makes a bad play, give coach ain't

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>looking at a get hard out. You know.

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 3>That's one thing. Man. They can go out there and

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>just play back.

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>They don't got to look over their shree they here.

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to do that because nobody coming for that.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Right forty eighth the night, every sub I'm just sitting

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>there just looking straight, having good old time. You touch mine, hobby,

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, oh you something?

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 3>All right?

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Guys, we're going to move on. It's time for our

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>first segment of the night, and it's called a news cap.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Jamal Murray is ready to put game two incidents behind him.

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Murray earned one hundred thousand dollars fine from the league

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>for throwing a heat pack and a towel on the

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>court in the middle of the team's game two loss.

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Murray didn't technically apologize for his action, but he made

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>it clear he's ready to move on. I mean, it

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>is what it is, and I take everything. I take

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>everything in full responsibility. So onto the next, Yeah, onto

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the next. I mean two days ago. There's not much

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>for me to say about it right now. Are you

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.959
<v Speaker 2>surprised Gil that he only got one hundred thousand dollars

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>fine or did you expect some level of suspension to

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>come along with that. I never want to play against suspended,

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, just for raw emotions, especially from a good

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>dude like him.

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, he don't cause any problems. He don't get me.

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh But like you said, it is what it is.

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, I got a.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Referee or on the court in a live setting. This

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 2>is not like they're on the other side of the court.

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>They're in live action right now. You could have injured somebody.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, we don't do ifs, but the

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>fact that you did throw it, we don't know what

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 2>your intentions is, and those intentions whatever it is, should

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.439
<v Speaker 2>have been at least a one game suspension, especially when

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you already be proving points to everyone in the NBA.

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, someone says something wrong about the referee, Oh,

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>they cheated us fifty thousand dollars.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Fine, you do that thousand dollars. Fine.

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>So this right here gets the same marit as me

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 2>throwing something at the referee.

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, god, I'm doing that. Then instead of saying.

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Something to the referee with the fifty thousand, I'm gonna

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>throw something at the referee up.

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 3>With the price. Yeah right, I think.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I think the best part about that is that MPG

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Michael Porter Junior actually saw it and kind of kicked it,

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 2>and I think KCP ended up talking it on off

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the court. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Good thing there

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 2>was not a whole lot of action going on down

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>there in the end the painted area, because you're right, Gil,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody could have stepped on that. Now, somebody steps on

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>that and they're out. See the way I look at

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a suspension if a player does something, this is the way,

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 2>oh yo, And I recommend this to the NFL. If yeah,

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>a player injages someone through a dirty head, you have

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>to sit down until that player comes back. So if

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.720
<v Speaker 2>that player's out for a month, you sit your ass

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>down for a month. He's out sad week, you sent

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>your ass out for six week. So if he'd injured somebody,

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Jamal Murray injured somebody and he's out for four games,

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>he's out four games. And if the series gets swept,

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>you out for the number of games next year, and

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 2>then you will stop, you will stop that foolishness.

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand, but obviously you know Jamal Murray is

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>not a child. He's not one that causes causes issues

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 1>or concerns on the court. I think because of his

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>emotion with this incident, it got the best of him,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's probably why he wasn't suspended, because

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>he's not one that always causes problems, is not always

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>in some type of controversy. And then I think suspending

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>him for one game would probably give the opponents somewhat

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>at advantage. And I think the commissioner just didn't want

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to see that happen. And I mean, one hundred thousand,

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's a whole lot, that's a whole lot

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of money.

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Dude making twenty five making twenty five million, but that's

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 3>what it's not about. It's not about money. Gil.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Before you go, I'm not saying, look, had they suspended him,

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to stand up on my soapbox and

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 2>advocate for they shouldn't have suspended it. So I'm not

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>advocating that they did that they should have suspended him.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, had they suspended him, I would have totally understood.

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 3>And I said, okay, I get it. Go ahead, Gil.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:05.919
<v Speaker 1>And when they and when they when they lost the game,

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 1>how would you feel after he lost the game because

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Jamal Murray wasn't playing.

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 3>I said, hell, you should have thought about that for

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 3>you through the heating pad on the floor. Did that?

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the accountability that we got to take as players, right,

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you want us to be accountable. I threw it out

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 2>of emotion, right, and I penalize the real time. The

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>penalty is I got suspended. My team lost. Oh down

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>O three. That's my fault. I gotta live with that.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 2>In the summer, we made Mon Green feel he's still

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 2>feeling it to his day of the resp that they

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>led a good way for him being reckless. Right, We

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>let he's been reckless and he has to take accountability

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>for that when he's aging, like he thinks about the championships.

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 3>He he, he knows.

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Man, I should have had one more, but my stupidity

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 2>did that. Now this is my issue, and I don't

0:38:55.160 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>like doing scenarios like this. But is it fair? Let's say,

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and man, someone slipped on that.

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Bull.

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 2>They're growing there out of the series. How can you

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>allow the Denver Nuggets to move on? Yeah, you got

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 2>the best player with this reckless behavior. No matter how

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>many games you suspend, I can suspenct you the most.

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 2>This is the most important player for them. You still

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>have your most important player. You guys end up coming

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>back and winning a series or because of this move.

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I can't feel.

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 2>That just feels horrible that that is a possibility of

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>something like that happening. And I can tell you this

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>right now. Listen, I'm about thirty. You know I'm willing

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 2>to win. So if I know this is only one

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand, Hey, you ain't playing right?

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Who is you? You want to see? What's your name?

0:39:58.320 --> 0:39:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead?

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Throw a heat back under that thought thought he packed

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 2>right there, and see if we can go ahead, get

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:03.319
<v Speaker 2>young Fello out of the game.

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Because here's my thing.

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>If I'm an if I'm a uh, the fourth player

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 2>or the fifth player or seventh player on the team, hell,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start an argument with something the number one

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and number two play, I'm gonna try to get you

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>thrown out because if I get thrown out, it's not

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.439
<v Speaker 2>as big as a bigger losses as you getting your butt.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 3>If I get into it, I'm the seventh gallon, and

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm the seventh gallon of.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Team, and I can get into it with Lebron or

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I can get into it with with Joel embiid mm hm,

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I get talk, I get we double text and they

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 2>throw both of us out.

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Who won? Who won't that? M at San Antonio? San

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Antonio against the Sons?

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 2>You remember that game w when Amark when I fin

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Omari came out the bench, Robert Or had checked Steve

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Nash in to the bench. Robert Orry and Omars Startamar

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>came out the bench. Had that been David Stern, Oh

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>he was gone for a game. No, No, look that's

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening. Yeah, he can spended them. He

0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>got suspended. What Robert Horry did right well, roight Hory

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 2>we did and end up being a brilliant play because

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.720
<v Speaker 2>he hits he he chucks Steve Nash and Mark gets

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>off the bench.

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 3>He got suspended.

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 2>So Robin Roy versus Marris start of my out who

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.359
<v Speaker 2>was an All NBA player at that point in time.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>So what would you do? Which would you which was

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the more important loss? And this is what I tell people.

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 2>They said, well, he's the first time. There's a lot

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>of people up in Pelican Bay. And if you're from Texas,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>you know where Huntsville is. There's a lot of people

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>in prison for a first time offense.

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 3>First time of fence.

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It only take one time.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Exactly how many people have messed up their lives, Oh,

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Joe over a first time offense.

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 5>A lot of there's a lot, there's a lot of

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of fathers out there. All it took

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 5>was one time time, Yeah, one time. But Jamal Murray,

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 5>he will be able to go Game three. Uh, he's

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 5>gonna have to play better. Uh.

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>And and he hadn't been shooting the ball well. And

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of his heroids in the Lakers

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 2>series have masked that he has been shooting the ball poorly.

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>And so now it's come through fruition that he's not

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.280
<v Speaker 2>in the position to win the games on last second shots,

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>and when you compound that, they're making it very difficult

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>on this year's MVP.

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about that in a second.

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Nicola Jokic iss, he's one of the most efficient players

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.359
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA. He was five or thirteen, and then

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>he was like eleven of twenty five, and yeah, he

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>had a triple double, but that trible double didnt matter

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 2>because that game wasn't even closed. And then in the

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 2>first game, he had thirty two points, but it took

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>him twenty five shots to get it, and he didn't

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>have double double digit rebounds or assists. So one of

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>those two guys have to play great in order for

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>them to have a chance to win. If both of

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>those guys are playing bad, you're going to see the

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 2>outcomes that you've seen over the first two games, big

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>big losses.

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Let's go ahead and get to it.

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Nicola Jokic has been named MVP for the third time

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 2>in this fourth season. Yokis ranked tenth in points fourth

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and rebounds third and assists. He became the second player

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA history to have at least two thousand points,

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred rebounds, and seven hundred assists in a season,

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 2>joining Oscar Robinson when he first had the triple double.

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Led that had a season on a triple double in

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>sixty one sixty two. He's the ninth player to win

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>three or more MVPs. Kareem has six, Michael Jordan and

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Bill Russell has five, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron James has four,

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Nicola, Jokic and Moses Malone have three.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Gil hold On check this out.

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Shaq hopefully told Jokic that someone else should have won

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the MVP moments after the MVP was named on TNT

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 2>The Crew, Shack said, Joker and further than the Big

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Man Alliance, you are the vice frether of the Big

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Man Alliance. You know I love you, but the best

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>player in the league. I want to congratulate you. I

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 2>want to hear. I want you to hear from me. First,

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought SGA should have been the VP. That's no

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 2>disrespect to you, but congratulations.

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Gayup. What's you think? Well, we already know what you think.

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 3>You know think.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't this ship. I could have left that part

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 2>out of it congratulating him.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 3>But let me and you do. Let me and let

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 3>you and I have that discussion.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Not but to Shack's credit, he don't have to worry

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>about Shaq going on a podcast, oh his own podcast

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 2>or go saying something. I'm saying this to your face.

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I thank you the best player in the league. I

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.240
<v Speaker 2>think you the best big man in the league, and YadA,

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA. But this year I thought SG should have won,

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>should have won the m v P. But go ahead,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>they said that ship on your podcast. I don't saying that,

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>not not not not not on T n T while

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get my guy there trophy. Yeah, I'm

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 2>still I'm still gonna take the trophy home. I appreciate

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 2>your artisty, but this trophy is still going.

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:48.879
<v Speaker 3>On the mantle.

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:51.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, no, don't do that to me. Now, let's

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and celebrate me. Go on your podcast and

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>say what you really feel and then we keep it

0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:08.280
<v Speaker 2>like that. But it gives where's the hope, right, where's

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the hope for young players?

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Right to? This is who we were last year. We're

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 3>the number one team.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 2>This year, we outplayed the champions who were supposed to

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be number one. We became number one. I'm averaging thirty.

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing Why am I not being rewarded? How are

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 2>you rewarding someone who who did not live up to

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this year expectations. They were expected to dominate the season

0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't. We didn't I perform. I'm not averaging

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty two and twenty five. I'm imaging thirty. I got

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>my boys playing rocket basketball. We out here playing on

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>both sides of the field. I ain't finished games now.

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>The knock against Jokich is we can talk about the

0:45:56.480 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 2>assists all we want. We can highlight the assists. Are

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>we gonna just just ignore the fact that he is

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 2>not the go to guy when it counts? Are we gonna?

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Are we gonna ignore the fact that what a SGA

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>does at the end of the game, he's a clutch player.

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:21.800
<v Speaker 2>That ball goes to Murray at the game. He is

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the guy who Jokic relies on to hit those buckets.

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>He becomes the number one option when the game.

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Is on the line.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>So giving the MVP to a guy who, when it counts,

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.399
<v Speaker 2>has to give it to another guy, and you're saying,

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>a young fella, maybe next year, it kind of just

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 2>takes away from what are we all doing this for?

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>What is the point of being number one? Jason Tatum?

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>What is the point of me being number one? What

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is the point of us doing any of this? If

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you're not rewarding anything, what are you rewarding? And that's

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 2>the problem have we do not have any consistency on

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 2>this award. You don't want to want the guys to

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 2>be selfish, right, you say, all right, if you're selfish

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>thinking about yourself and not the team, we're not gonna

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>reward you. Now you got guys trying to build teams

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and and okay I'm winning. Hey, I'm still doing good.

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, not this shit. Yeah, we're gonna go.

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna give you to some selfish like it just

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>you can't get I would say this game before you go,

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>oh Joe Jason Tatum may have have No, he should

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>don't even talk about the MVP because the way he

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 2>fell off. Man, he fell off like Milli Vanilly Jason Tatem,

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>What I mean, tell you all, did you not see

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 2>his his last game? His last games? He's about the bottom.

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.839
<v Speaker 2>He shouldn't list u K First of all, Okay, if

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to say s G a I ain't finna

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 2>fight you. If you want to say Luca, I ain't

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 2>finna fight you. But to say Jason Tatum over Yokic?

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no, he should have been first of all,

0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Jason Tatum shouldn't have been over Bronson.

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Mm hm oh.

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>What we need to do here?

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Huh? If you got to think about telling me something,

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 3>he ain't doing what he's doing? Did the score thirty zero?

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Walk?

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Hey? We you mis man?

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I can make I can make a case that

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.399
<v Speaker 2>that Jaylen Brown is just as important. You can say

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know this. Have you seen these playoffs?

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Have you seen? Have you seen these playoffs? Yeah?

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I know what I do see in the playoffs that

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>we winn by twenty every game And I don't need

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 2>to really bub my injury.

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.919
<v Speaker 3>Hey, so hey, number two options, do your thinging, young fellow?

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 3>Do your think I mean, we.

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Weired about were weird about twinty with not your sister

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 2>that's been it's been Derek White and Jaylen Brown.

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 3>But but what I'm saying is they the number one.

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.959
<v Speaker 2>This guy at this point, he needs to be great

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the game to get the score up.

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Like what we're were penalizing. We're penalizing Tatum for for something.

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 2>We gave Steph Curry, right, we gave Curry an MVP

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't play in damn near forty fourth quarters

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 2>because it was blowing everybody out average about twenty four.

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.240
<v Speaker 2>But the way they calculations did it, it made sense.

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 2>So you can't look at his numbers as saying because

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 2>he's blowing everybody out and he's not in in crunch

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 2>time anymore, Like when was the last time he played

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the last five minutes?

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't like. I don't like Taydum for

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 3>the MVP this year.

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the first half of the season, but the last

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>half those guys that the Brunson's, the Jokic, the SGA's

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and the Lucas. I thought they would have been more deserving. Now,

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 2>do I think Jason Tator's gonna be on the first

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>team all NBA?

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do. But that's what I'm saying.

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, because we're so good, why are you

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 2>penalizing me for so good?

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>We're so good?

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 2>It makes me say, all right, I just want to

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 2>be a mediocre team, so I have to play every

0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:58.479
<v Speaker 2>game hard.

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 3>It's That's what I'm saying.

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, how do like when if you're Jason Tatum,

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you've been the four finals, you've been the four finals,

0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be at your fifth one most likely if

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Denver get put out, they are winning the championship because

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the first two rounds plus New York Jason Tatum and

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Brown is not gonna be challenged by anybody themselves right

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 2>as a player. There's no three men on the other

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>team that's gonna be challenging them to them for them

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 2>to rub up their engine, so they're gonna have fresh,

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 2>fresh legs versus somebody like at Man. At Man got

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>to played all the way from this series to the

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>next series on too. It so Boston's gonna have fresher

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>legs from their stars. He wins a championship and we're saying, yeah,

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 2>you just didn't have it this year because they won

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>sixty something games. It just seems like he's playing well.

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought he played well. I fay, what do he

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 2>averaged six twenty seven? Yeah?

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go ahead, what you're thinking.

0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, it's joker and joker. He always He's

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.720
<v Speaker 1>been joking the past what three seasons.

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, had had Joel Embiid not had that historic season

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>last year, right, he'd have been four before Gil.

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, Dominique, I mean.

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 1>But but Shi has been special.

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:23.879
<v Speaker 1>You look at what Shi has done over in Okay, see,

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 1>obviously like the piggyback off what Gil said, most thirty

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>point games in twenty nineteen, when Harden did it. Listen,

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>he led the NBA in steals too. Obviously, he's the

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.840
<v Speaker 1>best player on the Thunder, and if I'm not mistaken,

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 1>they were the number one seed as well. Right, Yes,

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>when it's time for a clutch shot at the end

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of the game and OKAYC is playing, who are they

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to get the ball to.

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Shame? Yeah, shame?

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, you take Shay off the Thunder. Are

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 1>they in the playoffs?

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean there are so many different variables that

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>go into it that says, you know what, based on

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.760
<v Speaker 1>what he did this year in such a short amount

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of time in his career, he should have won MVP.

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.320
<v Speaker 1>So basically, if they come back next season and he

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 1>repeats the same cycle again, which I'm assuming Joker will

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 1>probably do the same thing, do they give it the

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Joker for a fourth time? To win his fourth.

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard.

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna if it's about to start getting harder and harder,

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 2>because you know when you get that third, Because think

0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 2>about it, Lebron had his had his fourth at what

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:33.799
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, Gilt twenty nine, and had had you really

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 2>come close? I think he came close. I think he

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 2>fished second to hard one year. Uh and so in

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.839
<v Speaker 2>about about ten eleven years. So it's about to get

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 2>harder and harder for guys to to win those MVP

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>too to once you get to that number.

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Because right, go ahead, Yiel said, okay, so this is

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:54.879
<v Speaker 3>my this is my question here.

0:52:55.520 --> 0:53:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Jokers team was fifth one MVP, the best record,

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 2>fifth best record this year. I don't even know, but

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>they're third in the West. Right, the team aspect hasn't

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>been dominant. What happens now he already has three and

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:20.240
<v Speaker 2>his team decides they get better. He does the same numbers,

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 2>but his team is winning sixty sixty five games, seventy games.

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna give him the MVPs that he deserves

0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>or then you're gonna go back and screw him and say, oh,

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:31.359
<v Speaker 2>we can't give you him.

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Now what do you do?

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, what do you do when his team they come

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>back next year and they win sixty five games and

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.720
<v Speaker 2>he has the same numbers. You sit there like because

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you already rewarded him where his team was not the

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 2>number one team in the NBA, So what do you

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 2>do when he is the number one team? Gil?

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.280
<v Speaker 3>I think the thing is you look at the MVP.

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Because of the way Joker played in the playoffs last year,

0:53:58.120 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it kind of carried over there. It's like, oh my god,

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe we made a mistake. You look at ant Man

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the way he's played in the playoffs. You look at

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson. If Luca can turn it around, I think, Shay,

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I think the m v P is gonna come from

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 2>one of those guys, because I think the voters are

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna look and we understand, this is a regular season award,

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the m VY. You know, everybody like, well, you got

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>to take you all to wait till after the playoffs. No, No,

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.439
<v Speaker 2>the m v P has always been a regular season

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 2>a war. You have finals MVP for the player that

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.880
<v Speaker 2>plays the best in the playoffs and then in the final.

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 2>That's what that should be. But I think the thing

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.279
<v Speaker 2>is is for like s g A. If he could

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.240
<v Speaker 2>go on and get his team to the Western Conference

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Finals or get them to the mv NBA Finals even

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>if they don't win. Obviously, if they win, it would

0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 2>be a huge accomplishment. I think the voter's gonna, look,

0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what we've got. We got to reward these

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 2>young guys coming up.

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.240
<v Speaker 3>So so then, but that's the problem.

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 2>You're you're, you're, you're you're gonna That means you're gonna

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>screw somebody next year. To me, what you did, that's

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 2>if you right wrong somebody that's Jordan Lebron, Toby so

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.279
<v Speaker 2>y'all been screwing people all the year.

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 3>Keep on screwing them.

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like that's what I'm saying. Joker wins sixty three

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>games next year and he's playing the same way. We're

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna be saying Jokers the ND me.

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well not a less not unlesson be coming

0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:21.120
<v Speaker 1>back healthy.

0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:22.759
<v Speaker 2>And then they're gonna be like, well he was third

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 2>last year, now he's won this year. You gotta get

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 2>into him like he he has a great upside. Like

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 2>what what does Shade do next year to get an end?

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 2>This is what I'm saying. That's why I say, Jason Tatom,

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm averaging thirty. My team is number one. I'm not

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 2>averaging twenty two. I'm managing thirty points a game. What

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 2>do I need to do next year to win an award? Right?

0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Because if I average.

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Twenty eight and we're number one, you're gonna say it's

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a down year.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Guy, Back back to Shack. I think the part of

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 2>Shack he might not ever met this, but Shaq see

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.280
<v Speaker 2>these guys winning the v MVP's and a little envious

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>because and I don't care. Look, I understand that Shaq

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 2>got four titles and he has three finals MVPs, but Shack, no,

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:13.720
<v Speaker 2>deep down, we should be having a discussion for go Shaq.

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Shaq name has never brought up in a discussion. Now

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:18.919
<v Speaker 2>we bring his name up with Big Man's, with Will

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Russell and Kareem and rightfully so. But we're never gonna

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 2>see another guy Shack sized with his athleticism that was

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 2>as dominant as him. And he robbed himself because he

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't take it serious enough. Did he take it serious?

0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Not nearly as serious as he should have. Shaq should

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:45.160
<v Speaker 2>have five MVP's, Shaq should have seven titles, and I

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:48.240
<v Speaker 2>think he sees he sees a guy like nicolea Jokic

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that's not as dominant as him and gets three and

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 2>four years and people are talking about him, and they

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.319
<v Speaker 2>never talk about they talk about him dominant big man.

0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 2>But see when you his great, they talk about you

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 2>as great basketball player, the goat, and Shaq is never

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 2>brought up when they say Tom Brady, even though he

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:10.680
<v Speaker 2>plays quarterback. They say Tom Brady is the greatest football player. Oh, Joe,

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you and I debate. We say Jerry, we say Lawrence

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Taylor or whomever. But Tom Brady, although he played quarterback,

0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Shack is never brought up in those discussions when it

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 2>comes to goats. He's never in front of Magic, He's

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.600
<v Speaker 2>never in front of Lebron, He's never in front of Jordan,

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 2>He's never in front of Kareem. He's never really in

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 2>front of Russ when we talk about goats, those routes

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Mount rush or Mount Rushmore. And I think a part

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>of him is envious of that. But he doesn't have

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>anybody to blame but himself.

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But do you think it's because he's a senat though

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>obviously when we talk about the.

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Kareem is a center. But okay, Kareem Chamberlain got four.

0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 2>What are we talking about here? Magic got three, Bird

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>got three, Mosa Malone was a feeler, he has three?

0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 2>What are we talking about here?

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Old Joe?

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, yok I see him as I'm

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to he can shoot. He got min ringing shoots

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a three. It's a different type of center for today's game,

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to Shaq being in the post.

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 3>That hook. Will didn't do nothing but the finger roll.

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 3>So you know what's now?

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Wait, so when when we talk about the greatest basketball

0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>players of all time, as far as the go conversation,

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Shaq's name is never brought.

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Up in there. Have you ever heard it?

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>No, because it's normally just it's normally just Kobe, m

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 1>J and Lebron.

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Kareem Now, I never Actually, Kareem doesn't get in the

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 3>credit he deserve.

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.760
<v Speaker 1>On most, it's always the same three names.

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Hey, the NBA players voted and they had Jordan one,

0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:00.760
<v Speaker 2>they had Lebron two, they had Kobe three. But most,

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>but when you see most, when they do the analytics

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 2>and they ask all these execs, it's normally Jordan, Lebron kareem, I'm.

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 1>About I'm about us. I ain't talking about how.

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, talk, how do you put a guy

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 2>which got the most regular season MVPs before Lebron broke

0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 2>his record. He had the most points, the third, most rebounds,

0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>five titles, two finals MVPs, and you say he's not

0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 2>in the goat conversation.

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 3>The same reason we say Bill Russell not in it.

0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:38.040
<v Speaker 3>We just we just do.

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:42.240
<v Speaker 2>But but here's the thing. Russell was the most important.

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.200
<v Speaker 2>But there are times, I mean, Russell didn't win Rookie

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 2>of the year. Tommay Hayson win Rookie of the Year. Now,

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 2>it had been interesting to see during those eleven titles,

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 2>how many finals MVPs. So let's just say, for the

0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:58.600
<v Speaker 2>sake of argument, he got eight finals MVP or we

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna leave him out of the gate go conversation. Now,

1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:07.560
<v Speaker 2>GI you no, sir, because in reality, there's only two

1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.680
<v Speaker 2>people arguing for the goat. Whoever you have his third

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:15.200
<v Speaker 2>you're you're non and you you're irrelevant because you can't

1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:17.520
<v Speaker 2>put any more stats up on the board for you

1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to get the number two or number one anyway, So

1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:22.200
<v Speaker 2>when people say, yeah, this is the goat, debate, Shack,

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you're in the goat debate, Bill Rush. You guys don't

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:28.360
<v Speaker 2>have any more stats, right, there's only if Jordan is

1:00:28.440 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 2>a goal and they're.

1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Saying Lebron is number two.

1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:33.320
<v Speaker 2>The only reason this is still a conversation is because

1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Lebron is still trying to get in front.

1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Once Lebron stops, there's no more to go debate.

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 2>If he stops at two, right, If he stops at two,

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just Michael Jordan, and then whoever comes along and

1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:50.320
<v Speaker 2>he jumps in front of Lebron, then that's the gold debate.

1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Once your third, you're in third place. Bro, you got Lebron, right, right,

1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 2>there's no debating of that part of it. The only

1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:00.600
<v Speaker 2>reason is a still conversation is because there's still right now.

1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to shock, Shack hates every big man.

1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 3>If he have, he does.

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Shaking the fool, going at JaVale McGee and all of them.

1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't like the big man rightfully, so, because that's.

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:15.760
<v Speaker 1>His position he is.

1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.680
<v Speaker 2>In his mind, he is the apex predator. No matter

1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 2>what no one says, we don't care. He don't care

1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:22.840
<v Speaker 2>what you say.

1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 3>He don't care. You can throw all the championships and

1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:25.080
<v Speaker 3>all that.

1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.800
<v Speaker 2>He if we lace him up and we had to

1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in our prime, had to play against each other our prime,

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:36.600
<v Speaker 2>he thinks he's the Apex predator. Right, I'm gonna I'm

1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:40.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna bust through all y'all. So you guys consider those awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Those awards hurt because it's the m VP's Gil, it's

1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.960
<v Speaker 2>the m v P, because you only have one IF

1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's and that's my argument.

1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:51.600
<v Speaker 3>You and I debated this.

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:54.760
<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me to put somebody into god conversation

1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:57.320
<v Speaker 2>with one m VP regular season.

1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.320
<v Speaker 3>It's hard, gil if hard.

1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna take somebody with one regular season MVP

1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and put him in front of people.

1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:10.880
<v Speaker 3>They got three, they got four, they got five. But hey,

1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:11.760
<v Speaker 3>but this.

1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Even without the MVP, right, even without the MVPs. Shacks Listen,

1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Shack's dominance during his tenure in the NBA.

1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Was like no other.

1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 1>It was like no other.

1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Just the zone is in because of him. They put

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the zone in because we didn't have enough people to

1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:38.600
<v Speaker 2>guard him. So they said, hey, hey, we can do

1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it two three, So that means we can put somebody

1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.880
<v Speaker 2>in front of them, somebody behind them, right, and we

1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.920
<v Speaker 2>can try to contain them. That zone was not for

1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:50.560
<v Speaker 2>let's make better shooters. It was because no one could guard.

1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 2>She Shack wasn't as long as Kareems. It just wasn't.

1:02:55.760 --> 1:03:00.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't if you, if you if your basketball. He

1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:03.040
<v Speaker 2>is the one guy he had the most. You could

1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:05.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about the one leg step back, you could talk

1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:07.760
<v Speaker 2>about the step back three. But Kareem, I do a

1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>jabbar because guess what, I got ten guys that can

1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:14.960
<v Speaker 2>shoot the James Harden step back three. I got fifteen

1:03:15.040 --> 1:03:17.880
<v Speaker 2>guys can shoot the one leg step back. How many

1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:22.400
<v Speaker 2>guys have ever been able to throw the sky hook? Nah? No,

1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:26.120
<v Speaker 2>you're right about that. And I'm I'm saying how many?

1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.680
<v Speaker 2>How many guys break back boards on peap But Daryl

1:03:28.720 --> 1:03:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Dawkins was the first.

1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Darryl.

1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.320
<v Speaker 2>But see they was fighting Darryl. They took finally ten

1:03:32.400 --> 1:03:34.280
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. He said, well, I'm done with this because

1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:37.000
<v Speaker 2>they wasn't making the money. If you remember Chocolate Thunder

1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:40.080
<v Speaker 2>was he was the reason why they put the collapsble

1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:44.360
<v Speaker 2>rim in because he was literally taking the rim out

1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:47.280
<v Speaker 2>of the glass. So they put the collapsal rim in

1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:50.520
<v Speaker 2>for Daryl Dawkins. I know that's before y'all time. But

1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I remember Darryl, Remember he was Chocolate Thunder. That's when

1:03:55.640 --> 1:04:06.680
<v Speaker 2>they used to let the guys play with gold chains. O, Gil, but.

1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:07.360
<v Speaker 3>You gotta let you.

1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:09.240
<v Speaker 2>But you know, Shaq, that's this is one of those

1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.000
<v Speaker 2>things that that's in him. He can't right when you

1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.400
<v Speaker 2>think you like that. The same thing with Penny right,

1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the envious and Penny the envious of with Kobe right

1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the NDAs and when Dwayne Wade he said it out

1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:20.680
<v Speaker 2>his mouth when he went to.

1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Cash. You know he was Innvius lebron Right.

1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:29.080
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about a guy who when he came into

1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the NBA, you know he was His name was up

1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:34.560
<v Speaker 2>there with make Jordan down there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you made the rookie?

1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you make the All Star Game of the rookie?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>That power?

1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:43.480
<v Speaker 2>When you young man, you got everything to your disposal.

1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:46.200
<v Speaker 2>When you young man, it's hard than not to walk

1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like Superman and act like Superman. And you said, yeah,

1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:51.440
<v Speaker 2>he's the number one option and you see here, but

1:04:51.600 --> 1:04:54.919
<v Speaker 2>here the fang, Gil, what did they see every stop

1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that he went? Did he outwork Penny in Orlando? Did

1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>he outwork Kobe in La? Did he outwork d Wade

1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:05.800
<v Speaker 2>in Miami did he outwork? You see, he wanted things. See,

1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:08.720
<v Speaker 2>he wanted thing for the work that he didn't put in.

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<v Speaker 2>You see what we talking about Jo When we had

1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:16.360
<v Speaker 2>this conversation the other night. The management sees, see, he thought, well,

1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm the best player. I ain't got a practice, so

1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And they said, well,

1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:27.280
<v Speaker 2>if that's the case with Penny Kobe, this one, that one,

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<v Speaker 2>so so what are the teams supposed to do? And

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<v Speaker 2>then the injuries. Injuries robbed him because he didn't control

1:05:36.000 --> 1:05:38.480
<v Speaker 2>his weight, he didn't train like he was supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see what happens. Shaq's supposed to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the goat conversation, Shaq's supposed to have thirty thousand points.

1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Shaq's supposed to be a top five rebounder. Hey, why

1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:53.480
<v Speaker 2>y'all bull driving a guy that gets left out, it's

1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Tim Duncan. People don't realize how good Dunky was.

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<v Speaker 5>He was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the bea he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yes, yeah. He don't get the credit. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't there There have been a lot of great

1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:18.720
<v Speaker 2>guys like Elijah Wan with a great big man people

1:06:19.320 --> 1:06:23.000
<v Speaker 2>dream shape, and he was as good I got him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best defensive You can make a case he's

1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the best defensive player because he.

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<v Speaker 3>Can slide on the pick and roll.

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<v Speaker 2>He can slide, he can get out obviously, blocking shots,

1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:33.120
<v Speaker 2>reap all that other stuff.

1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:35.080
<v Speaker 3>He was fundamentally sound offensive.

1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:37.600
<v Speaker 2>We know about the dream shape, but there are a

1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:41.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys that don't get the credit, especially but

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<v Speaker 2>you and Jordan. I mean, because for whatever reason, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't like bigs, because you know what, we gotta

1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:48.480
<v Speaker 2>have a little guy, get you the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>The little guys can have the ball and go get

1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:51.320
<v Speaker 3>their own point.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. They we don't need y'all big. We

1:06:55.720 --> 1:06:57.520
<v Speaker 2>can gonna get out. We take the ball from one

1:06:57.640 --> 1:06:59.280
<v Speaker 2>end to the other. You're not gonna do that, but

1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:02.840
<v Speaker 2>on the case. So the bigs are never going to

1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:05.880
<v Speaker 2>get the credit they deserve in the game of basketball,

1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:12.160
<v Speaker 2>but they're very, very important. And I think Shaq I

1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:15.720
<v Speaker 2>know for a fact, if Shaq would have had let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say, if he'd had my work ethic, he'd had

1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:19.800
<v Speaker 2>forty thousand points.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's just say he had a little bit a

1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:26.280
<v Speaker 3>better work ethic and his diet. What do you think

1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:26.960
<v Speaker 3>what Gil?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think he could have done with a

1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:31.320
<v Speaker 2>little better work ethic and cleaned up his diet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's been the argument that Kobe had his whole career.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, if you just have somewhat of themis ten Maybe

1:07:45.760 --> 1:07:48.520
<v Speaker 2>not ten because San Antonio, but they had they had,

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<v Speaker 2>I give at least five or six Gill.

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<v Speaker 3>But we was dried like this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I'm saying, Like, think about the skilled

1:07:56.000 --> 1:08:00.960
<v Speaker 2>players today, right, they wouldn't be People don't realized this either.

1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:07.840
<v Speaker 2>All of the power forwards back in ninety six to

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<v Speaker 2>about two thousand and five, have you noticed the center

1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>when they said the center position is gone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, none. They went to the four man. Everybody was

1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:22.040
<v Speaker 2>scared of Shaquille O'Neill and guarded him. You got seven

1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:27.439
<v Speaker 2>to one dudes perternity sixty. You automatically got put to

1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the center. And they didn't want to guard Shack for

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<v Speaker 2>the two or four games, so they went to the

1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.960
<v Speaker 2>power forward position and became power force. That's why our

1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:37.720
<v Speaker 2>power forward position is dominant, because they was all scared

1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of Shaquille O'Neill. Right, That's just how it was, Like,

1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I like, I gotta guard Shack or I'm gonna guard

1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:46.280
<v Speaker 2>a six five Charles Barkley.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna go to this position. So they all

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<v Speaker 3>moved to the power force.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look at the power forward position, all

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<v Speaker 2>these dominant biggs, they were supposed to be five men

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<v Speaker 2>seven foot power forwards because they didn't want to guard him.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that if he would have just stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in the gym, kept his weight under control, right, there

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<v Speaker 2>was no one, there was no one in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the game that could have dealt with him. Shack

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<v Speaker 2>had a game. You remember that game Shaq had gil

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<v Speaker 2>He had twenty four points, twenty eight rebound, and fifteen blocks.

1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And the twenty four points is that's you got fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two dudes sticking the man we called him for.

1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I've never so that.

1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:30.799
<v Speaker 2>There's not been a dude in the league since I played.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as he thought about like he started ducking in.

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<v Speaker 3>He got the ball. Yet, come on down here, help.

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<v Speaker 3>I been looking at it in the finals.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at what Shaq did in the finals when he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the Lakers, and look at what he did

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<v Speaker 2>when they went head up with him, when Rick smitz

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<v Speaker 2>or or the Kim bay or kid Pole Kenya Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at Shaq's numbers thirty eight and sixteen thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen thirty four and fourteen Oh what the only

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<v Speaker 2>guy that can have a problem with it because he

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna make it work on the other end with

1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Kim Duncan. Because Tim Duncan was gonna make it work

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<v Speaker 2>on the other eve, and that's what you have to do.

1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Elijah Wan gave him problem because Elija want to use

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<v Speaker 2>the quickness, you know, he feel lies you want. He

1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:21.600
<v Speaker 2>thinks he feeled him on the right side. LaJuan is

1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.680
<v Speaker 2>already to the left side and he's in front of him.

1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:25.760
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't throw the ball, So Elija Wan gave him

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<v Speaker 2>problems because La Juana can make it work on the

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<v Speaker 2>other end.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, yeah, that's not fair though.

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<v Speaker 2>That was That was a two years shock versus a

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<v Speaker 2>damn NBA MVP, right, that's a that was like MB

1:10:38.960 --> 1:10:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and Winby right now, that ain't under fair.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to wait till they they find out together.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Look here, check Elija Wa was giving up one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds, Gil damn.

1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:51.519
<v Speaker 3>It was ninety three. You gotta you gotta guy out

1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.800
<v Speaker 3>there that was in the back. That was ninety five.

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<v Speaker 3>We're ninety five NBA Finals yet if not okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not about Shack thirty year my bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But he give up pounds, Guil, that'd be like you.

1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:08.040
<v Speaker 2>That'd be like you a grade and they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a coub O Gill, Come, O Gill.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna get it celebrated some minutes. But man, look here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I told you, I said, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a little bit, because because what happens as you

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<v Speaker 2>start to oh Joe, you know this, As you start

1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:30.840
<v Speaker 2>to age, the injury will start to come with greater regularity,

1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:32.759
<v Speaker 2>and they'll keep you down for longer.

1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:35.920
<v Speaker 3>An injury when you're young, keep you down maybe a week.

1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:39.120
<v Speaker 2>As you start to get two three years past, not

1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:41.280
<v Speaker 2>an injury keeps you down for two weeks. Not an

1:11:41.320 --> 1:11:43.679
<v Speaker 2>injury keep you down for a month. Not an injury

1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:47.799
<v Speaker 2>keeps you down for half the season. And so you're like, damn,

1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and that's it. If Shaq would have taken it like

1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what, it was the end all, be all.

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<v Speaker 3>Kobe Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying you couldn't shoot your commercials and do things,

1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:02.960
<v Speaker 2>but what did Jordan do when he shot Space Jail?

1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:06.519
<v Speaker 2>He had a court built at Warner Brothers and they

1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:10.519
<v Speaker 2>played basketball. He called guys in and they who Kobe

1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:14.040
<v Speaker 2>in the gym, Lebron in the gym? Man and Shaq

1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:17.680
<v Speaker 2>did that. So Shaq is looking at Yo Man, this

1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:23.880
<v Speaker 2>joker he twenty nine. They got three MVP three yahn

1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Is got to MVP. And and that's and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I and that's why I say when when people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the eighties and nineties and and they have this discussion,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say, the difference really is is, yeah, we

1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:46.599
<v Speaker 2>have technology and these guys have history. Right to look

1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:51.519
<v Speaker 2>at where you were successful and where you failed, and

1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:54.080
<v Speaker 2>then they can change it. So the Yokish you you

1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:57.760
<v Speaker 2>can see if he was a lazy dude, hell yeah,

1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:01.560
<v Speaker 2>what's your problem, he had one coming in too, He

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<v Speaker 2>had a way pumpker, but he took care of his body.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the reward of it. We see Gianni's

1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:12.200
<v Speaker 2>boke up right. We see these guys taking the extra measures.

1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:16.479
<v Speaker 2>There's no Dennis Rodmans in this game. There's no guy

1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:19.680
<v Speaker 2>going to the club Oho partying, drinking all night. Not

1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the great one the game out there to score twenty, No, doll,

1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:26.599
<v Speaker 2>that ain't happening. Broke, You're gonna get exposed in this game.

1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:30.200
<v Speaker 2>So these guys, there's so much money and there's so

1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:33.720
<v Speaker 2>many brands that's going on that these guys are all

1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:37.360
<v Speaker 2>walking like a business. They're all thinking like Michael Jordan.

1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Right then it was Michael Jordan, and then everybody else

1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:44.479
<v Speaker 2>was getting rewarded for what this man was doing. Now

1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:48.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody wants to be Michael Jordan's brand. So they're all

1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:53.040
<v Speaker 2>acting like a Michael Jordan, a Kobe Bryant, Lebron James.

1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:55.439
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna get caught drinking. I'm not gonna

1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:56.479
<v Speaker 2>do this. I'm not gonna go a lot of the

1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:59.360
<v Speaker 2>play video games, you know. So they're all being under

1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:05.439
<v Speaker 2>the versus everybody just being everybody. Now, when Michael Jordan

1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:09.360
<v Speaker 2>got Tim Grover, not everybody has a personal trainer, everybody

1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:13.280
<v Speaker 2>has a chef, everybody's in the gym, everybody's doing all that.

1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.800
<v Speaker 2>All that because Charles Bark and I just had Charles

1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Bark on my podcast. He said, man, he said, Shannon,

1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:21.840
<v Speaker 2>when I was two eighty, I can only play like

1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:26.040
<v Speaker 2>first like three to four minutes. And he asked Moses Malone.

1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Moses Malone told him, Moses Malone at that point in

1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:29.800
<v Speaker 2>time was a three time MVP.

1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.519
<v Speaker 3>He said, Chuck, you fat and you lazy.

1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:35.439
<v Speaker 2>That's a hell of a combination that you could be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other. You can be fat, but you

1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:39.800
<v Speaker 2>can't be lazy. You could be lazy, but you damn

1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.080
<v Speaker 2>you gotta be good. You can't be both. That's too

1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:45.639
<v Speaker 2>bad happens to have. It's like it's like sports, Oh Joe,

1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you could be one of the others. You could be old,

1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:49.560
<v Speaker 2>but you can't be old an slops. You get to

1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:52.720
<v Speaker 2>be che one, choose one, but choose wisely. But you

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<v Speaker 2>got both of them.

1:14:53.640 --> 1:14:54.200
<v Speaker 3>On your side.

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<v Speaker 2>You own and soap, you fat and lazy. Chuck said,

1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I got down to two fifty, so now I can play.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck led the league in rebounding. Chuck can't be no

1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:08.000
<v Speaker 2>more than what the six four sixty five. He led

1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the league in rebounding with the Shacks, with the Elijah Wants,

1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.800
<v Speaker 2>with the David Robinson's, with the Patrick Ewings, with all

1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:16.759
<v Speaker 2>those tall guys.

1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:17.720
<v Speaker 3>He led it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he in shake Zion all, y'all gotta do zi

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<v Speaker 2>Yon get down to two fifty. Zion went to MVP.

1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Did y'all see did y'all see him? Against the Lake

1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:31.840
<v Speaker 2>of the last game. Y'all see how easy he got

1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:34.040
<v Speaker 2>farted because he gonna get the way he want to

1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:35.040
<v Speaker 2>and you can't stop it.

1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:41.080
<v Speaker 3>I can't. I listened to that interview and I wanted

1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:44.040
<v Speaker 3>to tag Kevin Durant because he said he said in there,

1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:46.840
<v Speaker 3>uh he said, you know, I was in.

1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Philly and I was like, man, I need some help

1:15:55.680 --> 1:16:00.080
<v Speaker 2>ease me before screaming for some health dog yarles. But

1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:02.080
<v Speaker 2>that's what I love about the old dudes. They got,

1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:05.800
<v Speaker 2>they forget, they forget that they packed up. But see

1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the way that gil the way they look at it,

1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:12.120
<v Speaker 2>is that the team moved them. The general manager they

1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:16.240
<v Speaker 2>don't like. You get the same results whether you Hey,

1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:19.080
<v Speaker 2>it's either you steal it or somebody give it to you.

1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.439
<v Speaker 2>It's theft by possession. You know it's stolen and you

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:24.559
<v Speaker 2>take it. They gonna take your ass to jail too.

1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Even if you stole it, they gonna take your ass

1:16:27.640 --> 1:16:31.760
<v Speaker 2>to jail. It's called receiving stolen goods theft by possession.

1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:35.719
<v Speaker 2>So you in possession of it, you know. So even

1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:38.840
<v Speaker 2>though the general manager moved you, or the tea or

1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:40.400
<v Speaker 2>guys like you know what, man, I want to play

1:16:40.439 --> 1:16:42.840
<v Speaker 2>with you a gil, Hey, Gil, me, you and Oho,

1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:46.360
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna team up tonight. Well, people probably mad at

1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:49.520
<v Speaker 2>us because we put this together and not some corporation.

1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Guys.

1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.280
<v Speaker 2>See, it'll be cool if a corporation that you know what,

1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:54.479
<v Speaker 2>we want to start a podcast. We picked this guy,

1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:57.560
<v Speaker 2>we picked that guy, We picked this guy. No, I

1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.559
<v Speaker 2>say we're gonna start a podcast. I would pick the team. Hey,

1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:01.560
<v Speaker 2>you could you want to do that?

1:17:01.640 --> 1:17:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Hey, let's rocky.

1:17:05.640 --> 1:17:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm saying saying, yeah, I need more help or

1:17:08.960 --> 1:17:13.960
<v Speaker 2>trade meg. It's the same day you won't out and

1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you want to go to a better team because you

1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:16.240
<v Speaker 2>don't have enough.

1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:19.040
<v Speaker 3>You blame me your team. Right, it's the same thing. Man.

1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:23.560
<v Speaker 2>That's why I say you can't go on your podcast today.

1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:29.320
<v Speaker 3>Or your the TNT and ESPN and then.

1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Kill players for who you were right. Say, hey, man, listen,

1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:37.599
<v Speaker 2>I understand did it like this? I regret the internet,

1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:40.600
<v Speaker 2>So don't be like yeah, don't be like me, but

1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:42.360
<v Speaker 2>don't pretend like we do have internet.

1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.400
<v Speaker 3>We can go we can go there. We can go

1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:46.840
<v Speaker 3>to nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Four Philly articles, Charles Barkley quotes and then start reading.

1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:53.880
<v Speaker 2>We can do that. We got the benefit today Rudy Gobert.

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<v Speaker 3>What Defensive Player of the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Gobert becomes the third player in the NBA history to

1:17:57.960 --> 1:18:00.320
<v Speaker 2>win the awards four time, joining the Kim Baiman Tumbo

1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and Ben Wallace.

1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:05.240
<v Speaker 3>What do we got steals per game?

1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Go beart with was zero point seven blocks per game,

1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:11.960
<v Speaker 2>two point one defensive rating, one oh four point four.

1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Wimby one point two steals a game, three point nine

1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:19.439
<v Speaker 2>blocks a game, one point or one hundred and five

1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:23.760
<v Speaker 2>point eight defensive rating. But when people say, oh, team rating,

1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.880
<v Speaker 2>look at the defensive rating when Wimby's on the court.

1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought Wemby should have won the award because I thought,

1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:36.000
<v Speaker 2>what do you think?

1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:36.840
<v Speaker 3>What do you think? Gil?

1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:46.280
<v Speaker 2>It's called defensive player team, not defensive team. So if

1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.600
<v Speaker 2>you're saying, you know, with this is an argument we

1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:54.599
<v Speaker 2>had today. If Rudy doesn't have to be as great

1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.720
<v Speaker 2>because his team is great and he just gets to

1:18:56.760 --> 1:18:57.360
<v Speaker 2>do the cleanup.

1:18:57.439 --> 1:19:00.240
<v Speaker 3>So basically he's running his engine at a back out

1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:01.120
<v Speaker 3>a seventy.

1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Five to fifty on his defensive because everybody's good, and

1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you have a guy who's running out of one hundred

1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:11.519
<v Speaker 2>to just keep his team like locked into game, he

1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:16.000
<v Speaker 2>becomes the better defensive player right at the end of

1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the day. Listen, I don't want to knock somebody for

1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>winning an award just for for I think it's better

1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:26.200
<v Speaker 2>for us to really understand, how are you guys voting,

1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>what is the voting metrics? Give us everything that you're

1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.400
<v Speaker 2>looking at, so we can see it as a whole,

1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:38.160
<v Speaker 2>because all the stats we're looking at right now says otherwise.

1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I think there needs to just be explanations on how

1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:45.000
<v Speaker 2>are they voting, what are they're looking at, what they're seeing,

1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:47.599
<v Speaker 2>so we can get a better understanding. Because I don't

1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:50.600
<v Speaker 2>want to say he does deserve it, this guy deserves it,

1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.280
<v Speaker 2>and then your metrics is this, and I think their

1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:59.320
<v Speaker 2>metrics is there, Joe, So I mean that before you

1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:02.800
<v Speaker 2>go out, want to say, Joe, the Timberwolves without Rudy

1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Gobert Hell the Denver Nuggets, the reigning champs to eighty point.

1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.760
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one. That's that's a good one. I knew,

1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I knew were gonna say that. But listen, if Rudy's

1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:14.160
<v Speaker 1>if he's if he's one of three times before or right,

1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and obviously he's wanted because of his defense and then

1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:20.920
<v Speaker 1>we have women when By Yama who comes, Yeah, whim

1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:24.560
<v Speaker 1>By Yama, who's coming now, who is also good on

1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the defensive end and the offensive end. I think they

1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:31.200
<v Speaker 1>give it to Rudy Gobert again for a four time

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<v Speaker 1>because he's so efficient defensively. Whatever those statistics are that

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<v Speaker 1>they go off of, I think they give him the

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<v Speaker 1>edge because that's all he is known for, is playing

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<v Speaker 1>just defense. Now, I could be wrong. I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I think that's that's really what it

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<v Speaker 1>is based off because he is strictly a defensive player

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<v Speaker 1>because on offense, he damned their liability.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were this vast discrepancy with the defensive rating

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<v Speaker 2>per team, Rudy the timber Wolves was one oh four

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<v Speaker 2>point four, Wimby is one oh five point eight. But

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<v Speaker 2>Wimby beats him in deflections, beats him in block shots,

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<v Speaker 2>beats him and steels.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confused. And we're talking about with less time too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, when you say defensive player, we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the metrics. We're like, clearly, this guy is doubling the

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<v Speaker 2>production on defense as a individual, and this is an

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<v Speaker 2>individual award, So what are we missing, like like the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth man, Huh, my metrics are the sixth man had

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<v Speaker 2>it Kobe White.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kingan challenged me and go back all the way

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<v Speaker 3>to when it first started.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went all the way to eighty four, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went through everything and realized Maxi did deserve it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the reason he deserved it. Yes, Kobe was

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<v Speaker 2>a plus ten or plus thirteen. Maxy was a plus six.

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<v Speaker 2>But the difference is from last year to this year,

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<v Speaker 2>he became an All Star, which is most improved.

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<v Speaker 3>He improved All Star.

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<v Speaker 2>All three people who production wasn't that high, they won

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<v Speaker 2>an award, which that was the statedout. So I caught that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I said, I want to see the metrics

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<v Speaker 2>of what they're using so I can understand how they're voting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I mean, just like I said, if

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<v Speaker 2>there was such a discrepancy, let's just say the Spurs

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<v Speaker 2>were when winby on the court with one ten, one twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big disparity. But when you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that and it's like you said, Gil is

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<v Speaker 2>defensive player. He's better in steels, he's better in blocks,

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<v Speaker 2>he's better in deflections. And you see, guys there are

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<v Speaker 2>three on one and when By is back them, guys said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, let's go on out here by the three.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't messing with it. I don't want no parts

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<v Speaker 2>of that because I know he gonna throw it up

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<v Speaker 2>in the stands. Speaking of Gobert, a reporter had a

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<v Speaker 2>question for aunt Man today. Let's take a listen to

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<v Speaker 2>what ant had to say. You got a tattoo of

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy Gobert's face anywhere on your body for the Templewolves

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<v Speaker 2>to guarantee win the championship this.

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<v Speaker 3>Year, you would do it?

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<v Speaker 1>What part of your body?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you get it?

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<v Speaker 5>On? Arm?

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<v Speaker 2>You would do it. You can't get rid of it,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't for guaranteed guaranteed tip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's my that's my dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Heal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be a chip, I'm gonna be a Chiplets

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<v Speaker 2>more folk man, for a rint, for a rint, mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put.

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<v Speaker 3>Attached to a Rudie right now? For one more? Give

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<v Speaker 3>me one? He knew me.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, look, you don't even gotta let me play the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me two new knees so I can just go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and run again. I'll get get right here,

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<v Speaker 2>I get him and in this baby right here on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side. Oh man, a little gobot.

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<v Speaker 3>You some of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>I already got forty four? What's one more? It ain't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna matter. It definitely aint gonna matter, for for for

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<v Speaker 1>a championship.

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<v Speaker 3>So you look, huh you got one of those brands

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<v Speaker 3>on your no.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I got a brand. Man got one of those brands.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ain't got no brand. Yeah, I ain't got

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<v Speaker 1>no brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay,