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Speaker 3: The Knicks beat the Pacers tonight one thirty one twenty one.

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Speaker 2: There's a situation where Jelen Brunson went down early, like

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with you tonight. What did you like

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Speaker 2: about what the Knicks did? And what didn't you like

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Speaker 2: about what the Pacers did? I mean, what the what

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Speaker 2: energy to soul, the patience, the leadership that they brings.

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Speaker 2: So that was the glaring tale of the Knicks. That

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Speaker 2: that is their heartbeat. Now, if Indy and that takes

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Speaker 2: the head of the snake. The head of the snake

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Speaker 2: goes out. They're basically a twenty two a twenty two

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Speaker 2: against him? He's a one on one assassin. He leads

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Speaker 2: the NBA in fourth quarter points and what's the new thing?

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Speaker 5: They have?

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Speaker 3: Fourth quarter points?

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Speaker 2: Clutch points points here they got the new thing clutch points.

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Speaker 3: Don't know that, but they got He leads it, right.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that he leads in clutch points and

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Speaker 2: man to be trying to guard one on one. If

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Speaker 2: you have any basketball knowledge, Rick Carlisle does just double

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Speaker 2: we sure Rick Carlisle has basketball knowledge because for some

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Speaker 2: reason he keeps putting them hard on Brunson. And every

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Speaker 3: He's thinking it's Sunday dinner.

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Speaker 2: Cause you cook it at TJ McConnell comes in. He

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Speaker 2: in the limited minutes. And what he's doing more so

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Speaker 2: than them hard, he's making Brunson work. Okay, sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: not about being able to stop him because he's a

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Speaker 2: He does minimal effort. When nim Hard is guardening, he's

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Speaker 2: going to shooting over the top of him. You see

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Speaker 2: what you call him, it's picking him up ninety four feet.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, you might get some basket,

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Speaker 2: but you're gonna work for and that's what you have

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Speaker 3: And I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: After the first game, you see Mim hard and you

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Speaker 2: see him struggle, and I agree, at some point in time,

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna have to make Josh hart You're gonna

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Speaker 2: because he's proven through the course of the year he

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Speaker 2: can beat anybody. I'm not gonna let him beat me.

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Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam, Now that's two games you've been bull driving. Now, Tyreez.

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Speaker 2: Halliburton redeemed himself. He had six points on six shots.

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Speaker 2: He played well, and I get it he only had

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Speaker 2: twelve points in the second half. But sometimes you gotta

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Speaker 2: be selfish sometimes you like, you know what, y'all bull driving.

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Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and do this thing on my own.

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Speaker 2: Eleven of nineteen seven of eleven from a three, Pascal Siakam,

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Speaker 2: you bull drive the night. Miles Turner. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what you was on tonight, but you gotta do better.

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Speaker 2: You gotta do better than what you gave him. Oh, Joe,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he ain't played well last four games, to

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Speaker 2: be honest, and the last two against Menwaukee in East

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Speaker 2: he ain't.

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Speaker 3: Really you're talking about Miles Turner.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Pascal Pascal, but neither one of them

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Speaker 2: played good in the first two games, and they need

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Speaker 2: to play better because look at the bitch points pay

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Speaker 2: for in two games ninety two the Knicks fifteen bitch points,

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Speaker 2: but the Knicks are up to nothing.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Hey, hey, I enjoyed the game. It was,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a good game. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: That goddamn Josh Hart. I know everybody we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Jalen Brunson, This Jalen Brunson that obviously went

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Speaker 1: out in the first quarter, missed the whole first half,

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Speaker 1: but that goddamn Josh Hart. I think he is responsible

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Speaker 1: in more of the reason because of his rebounding prowess

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Speaker 1: for starters mhmm, and to see them playing the way

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Speaker 1: it's been so long since the niggas have had what

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Speaker 3: It was in the playoffs last year? I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think what you call them, beat them? Beat them? I

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Speaker 3: think the heat knocked them.

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Speaker 2: there and just get it done. You need fifteen rebounds

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Speaker 2: for me, I got to coach, you need, you need nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I got to coach, you need seven, seven assists, I

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Speaker 3: I'm the handy man around here.

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Speaker 3: That's what he is. Gil.

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Speaker 2: This was this was I mean, we know gil o Joe,

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Speaker 2: ball game. It's another forty piece. I'm disappointed because I

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Speaker 2: he would have gotten. Now, Rick Carlile, now you well,

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Speaker 2: to show your philosophy. You know sometimes, well we played,

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Speaker 3: We don't flock corners.

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Speaker 2: Well, you better take your best corner and you better

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Speaker 2: let him get frequent five miles because he damn your

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Speaker 1: Well, I have I have a question, Yes if coach,

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Speaker 2: So fortym hard, nim hard out, nim had them hard,

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Speaker 3: Yes, like them hard, nim hard.

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Speaker 2: This point if they continue to play jayaler Brunson one

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Speaker 3: This is why this is not a regular season.

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Speaker 2: This is the playoffs, right, exactly, playoffs you're playing against

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Speaker 3: So you have a general offense now I mean a defense.

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Speaker 3: And go go at him.

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Speaker 2: No, you come like I used to do a pick

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Speaker 3: Yes, you don't.

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Speaker 2: o Jo is that I'm playing Miami one night, then

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Speaker 3: Some teams have two guys.

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Speaker 2: You look at the Dallas Mavericks, they got two guys

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Speaker 1: Krrie and Luca you got two.

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Speaker 3: The great look at the great players. They can all

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Speaker 2: If you can go one on one and you give it,

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Speaker 2: you give a guy a steady diet, he'll build up

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Speaker 3: And then now he don't see the ball go in.

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Speaker 2: See the problem with the hand is they let Jalen

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Speaker 3: He hit his first couple of shots in the third, Kiss.

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Speaker 2: The baby could go ahead, kiss the baby, put the

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Speaker 1: Joe.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I'm gonna get him that when the baby

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to sleep when they get some sleep. Well,

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Speaker 2: you let him, You let brothers start to cook. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what, You're gonna be up all night because

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Speaker 1: Listen, I don't know much about basketball, but I do

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Speaker 3: All right, what dB you cooked? Who has lunched me

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Speaker 3: for you?

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Speaker 1: Everybody except read every everybody?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, imagine the person that that's that's defending

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Speaker 3: You got seven games with this dude.

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Speaker 2: Oh coaching the coaches like, nah, we're just gonna play

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Speaker 2: them straight up. That's what we've been doing all year exactly,

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame jacket, where.

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Speaker 3: Are you at?

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Speaker 2: I'm about to be a start just off them. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's what y'all will do. Y'all will let y'all

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Speaker 2: Take me to the seven, let me on the out

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Speaker 2: the far cross. That's what you're okay, that's easy word,

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: But then basically, these losses, these losses in these forty

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Speaker 1: at least contain him and force everybody else to beat you. Hell,

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Speaker 2: But the playing is you got to make it difficult

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Speaker 2: let him come down. And every every shot he put up,

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Speaker 2: hold on what was he he was level of eighteen? Now,

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Speaker 2: mind you, he missed almost fifteen minutes of the game, right,

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Speaker 2: so at that praise, he only met pro like Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm guarding, if I'm guarding Brunson, you

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Speaker 2: I seen how they they When you're that small, you

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Speaker 3: You've been small your whole life.

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Speaker 2: You've been playing against taller guys since you was probably

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Speaker 2: in middle school. Yes, right, so you've adjusted to this

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Speaker 2: do not play Nimrod. You did not play was it?

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Speaker 2: Who was it? MCCONAGEU, it was, it was, it was

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Speaker 2: Memo hard and Nieman McConnell comes in and picks him

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Speaker 3: You don't want you don't want none of them, none

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, who are you gonna put yack him?

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Speaker 1: You need you can't put him.

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Speaker 3: Can't do he can't do not with what you call it.

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Speaker 3: He can't do no with Og. So how to help

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Speaker 2: Guard Og is stronger than him. So what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: He's gonna hit you with his body. Turn around, Jumper,

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Speaker 2: if you're the same height, if you're anywhere from six

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Speaker 2: not gonna stop him. All he's gonna do is try

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Speaker 2: he's gonna try to spend fade and your arm length

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Speaker 2: should be able to to shot a little bit even

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Speaker 2: if I can't guarding him.

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Speaker 3: He's cooking me.

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Speaker 2: Because once he hits me with the body, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: that distance, it's just like a math equation, right, Or

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Speaker 2: so I need about two feet boom. Okay, that's it right,

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Speaker 2: And that's that's all he's doing.

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Speaker 1: that the same thing that that move Carmelo do. He

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Speaker 1: always put that shoulder you just to create a little

437
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Speaker 1: bit of space, a little bit of.

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Speaker 2: Space you're trying to dis lodge you if you're trying

439
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: to dislodge them off that spot. A lot of times

440
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: what guys are doing they're trying to jaw off into files.

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: So they're trying to plot and they're not gonna give

442
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: you that. They're not gonna give you that come postseason.

443
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: You have to earn files in the postseason, especially on

444
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Speaker 2: a player like Jaylen Brunson, because that's his game. Dip

445
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Speaker 2: the shoulder dislodge you off the spot, whether he's trying

446
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Speaker 2: to shoot a jumper or he's trying to get to

447
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 2: spot and get to the basket. But they're not gonna

448
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: give you those calls. At some point in time, you

449
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: can't keep letting guys. Og left and he didn't play

450
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: it in tire fourth quarter, but he had twenty eight.

451
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: Brunson missed fifteen minutes of the game. He missed the

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Speaker 2: entire second quarter. He had twenty nine. Devincenzo, he had

453
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. Josh Hart had nineteen. Hartenstein had fourteen. At

454
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: some point in time, you can't keep letting their starters

455
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: get double figures. You can't let three guys and their

456
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Speaker 2: starters have twenty in the high twenties and shoot.

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Speaker 3: Og was ten of nineteen.

458
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Speaker 2: Brunson was eleven of the eighteen devincenzo with ten of twenty.

459
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Speaker 2: If you go back and look at it, only McBride

460
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Speaker 2: that played at least twenty minutes, only one guy shot

461
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Speaker 2: less than fifty percent. Og was ten of nineteen, Hartenstein

462
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 2: was five or seven. Jaylen Brunson was eleven of eighteen.

463
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: Josh Hart was eight of twelve, Deevin Cenzo ten of twenty.

464
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Speaker 2: Who the hell you beating let in the place in

465
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Speaker 2: the postseason, You little thief shoot fifty do you understand?

466
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Speaker 3: O Joe probably shoot around. You couldn't shoot fiftys then percent.

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Speaker 3: This is a game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is no different than with Miami, I mean

469
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Speaker 2: not Miami but Phoenix Suns.

470
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Speaker 3: Right, they was all focused on offense, no defense.

471
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the playoffs and you

472
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: really need to lock down defense defensively.

473
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Speaker 1: It wasn't there.

474
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Speaker 2: The you don't have the the the muscle memory to

475
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Speaker 2: do it, you know, doing it a certain way, you're

476
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Speaker 2: gonna give up. You're gonna like it's one of those things.

477
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: Is you can pick him up full court? Yes, because

478
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: he's not a great ball handler in a sense of

479
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: like him.

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Speaker 3: Or h Halle is not great ball yet of us.

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Speaker 2: They're not re irving, right, they're not John Wall right,

482
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Speaker 2: so they're fumble trying to get past you. They're great

483
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: in the half court, so yeah, you try to tire

484
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Speaker 2: me out in the back court, I'm gonna just pass

485
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Speaker 2: it to Josh hart Broom. So this is this is

486
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Speaker 2: just it's some matchup tweet. This is just a matchup tweet.

487
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: But it seems like New York got a counter for

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Speaker 2: all of it.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: We've said this all year, Andyanna's looking to outscore you.

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Speaker 2: And if you look at the magic number for the

492
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Speaker 2: next they got to one thirty. The Pacers are trying

493
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: to get to one thirty, one to thirty five. They

494
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Speaker 2: don't play defense. They don't have outstanding wing defenders. Miles

495
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Speaker 2: Turner is a great help defender, but because his offense

496
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: is lacking, he's lacking on defense. Normally they tie together.

497
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Speaker 2: You play good offensively, you get some steals, you get

498
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: block shots, you play good defensively. All of a sudden,

499
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: the basket starts to the ball starts to go in

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Speaker 2: the basket. But give the knickt credit because when Brunson

501
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: came back in. You see you could see it from

502
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Speaker 2: the television, even though I don't have my sound on.

503
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: You could see the people standing because they're like, okay,

504
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: our saviors back. You see them now. All of a sudden,

505
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: Deevin Chimzo is shooting the ball. Oh, they're about to

506
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: go in. JB on the court. Josh Hart like, hey, man,

507
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: if I get this rebound, kick this thing back to JB.

508
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: Oh we good Hartenstein all of a sudden, he's crashing

509
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Speaker 2: the boards even harder. And the thing is is, because

510
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Speaker 2: they're crashing the boards, you're not making them pay. See

511
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: now you crash the boards, Josh Hart doing on that

512
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: board crashing. Y'all got to get that rebound and get

513
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Speaker 2: the ball out, get it the head, get some even

514
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Speaker 2: transition points.

515
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Speaker 3: But the Knicks give them credit.

516
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: I thought the minutes would catch up with him, Gil

517
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: because you know Tims, he likes to play his guys heavy,

518
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: heavy minutes. Deevin Cienzo played forty four minutes, Josh Hart

519
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: again played all forty eight.

520
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: Hartenstein played thirty nine.

521
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson played thirty two, but he missed fifteen minutes

522
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Speaker 2: of the ball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what he's doing is just old basketball. Right.

524
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Speaker 3: You know when we played, we didn't come out of

525
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: the game. Lebron didn't come out again.

526
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Speaker 2: Not in the playoffs, George, you might have game not

527
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, right, do you know how to manage

528
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: the time in the playoffs with timeouts longer T and

529
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Speaker 2: T or ESPN and commercial breaks, so you're gonna get

530
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Speaker 2: your rest. But what I love about this series is

531
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Speaker 2: I don't think New York fans understand the rules of

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: the NBA, all right, sit in the seats. I seen

533
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: somebody behind the basket get up from his seat and

534
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: yell at the REP like he almost came.

535
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: But I don't know seeing this, But New York is

536
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: wild right now? Yeah? Right? You got two dudes sitting

537
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 3: there like this. Ain't this ain't a root to.

538
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Sit down right there in there, yelling at the rep,

539
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: picking the ball up, wiping it off.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they crazy out there. They turned up.

541
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Speaker 1: That's dope, man, it is.

542
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean the next look, there's a reason why they

543
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: call Madison Square Garden the Mecca. Yeah, and when the

544
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Knicks are good, there's no better place to be there. Looks,

545
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: you want the Knicks, you want the Celtics, you want

546
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: the Lakers, obviously, not the Warriors.

547
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Speaker 3: And if you know, if you get the bulls sprinking

548
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: the bulls in there, you be straight.

549
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: But if you got the Knicks, the Lakers, the Celtics

550
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: and the Warriors, you gotta you got a good old

551
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: NBA is popping. You got them teams goody.

552
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: Hey?

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Uh So, Hypothetically speaking, I mean, I'm not not wishing

554
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: any bad luck on the Knicks. But if the Knicks,

555
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: if the Knicks Winny series, who do they?

556
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: Who are they?

557
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Who?

558
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Who do you think they're facing next?

559
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: Coon? Facing the Celtics next?

560
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: He said, why, he said, can't coon.

561
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: Because it's about to be full one. You know who?

562
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: They facing the team that wiped y'all out. They're gonna

563
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: play them.

564
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, So you what you're saying, You

565
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: saying the Knicks don't have a chance to beat beat

566
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: the Celtics in the seven game series.

567
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: Be coon.

568
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: They're gonna be in being can Coon, drinking pinion coladas.

569
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: They did great. Nobody's gonna be mad at them. Man,

570
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: nobody listen. There's sometimes there's some forces you facing life

571
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: that just got your number and it just better suited

572
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: to do what they do. They play in Boston, right,

573
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: they got stars over there, They got a team over there.

574
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: They played defense over there. They got over there.

575
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: It's a two headed munster in Boston, Jayson Brown and

576
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum.

577
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: And then and then they gotta they got a Josh Harp.

578
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: They gotta they got a white who plays defense. Yeah,

579
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: they porzingis that when he comes back, they just resting him. Now,

580
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: see nobody's paying attention to them because they've win in

581
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: every game by twenty plus.

582
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

583
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: So you so you're not even giving a Nicks a

584
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: chance if they I mean, once they get to the

585
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: next round.

586
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: For one, and then then whatever those dudes want on

587
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: their contract, give it to them, because they they.

588
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 3: Earned every dollar.

589
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: See, I've never seen New York like this, right, see

590
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: the New York. I know they gonna boo as soon.

591
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: As the scorers to five o.

592
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Five, they bow it. I've known the garden and beat.

593
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: I seen a little turn up, a little turn up

594
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: with Jeremy Lynn of course. And then oh yeah, I

595
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: remember Land when Trey Young got in that building.

596
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh and it was going at it back

597
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: and forth. That was dope right here.

598
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Different, Oh this is different, and you know, you know

599
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: it's gonna be sick. When they played Boston, oh because yeah,

600
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Nicks and Boston.

601
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: Hey, when the Knicks was good, when Spree Whale and

602
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Allen Houston was that right? They was good back then? Huh?

603
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Ninety Well they went to they went they went to

604
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: their finals in ninety what that was that ninety five?

605
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: Ninety four?

606
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: That was ninety four because they lost to Houston because

607
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: Houston swept Orlando the next year and I think they

608
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: went ninety nine and they ended up losing to the Spurs.

609
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know if Free, I don't know if

610
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: it was Free on that team. Then I don't think

611
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: Spree was on that team. Then the Allen Houston team,

612
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he was on that team.

613
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: Then, Oh he wasn't.

614
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I think he was was the early nineties.

615
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: Don't think Spree.

616
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Spree was there yet to state damn, Yeah,

617
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: but yeah they were. They were, like I said, when

618
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: they're when they're good, when the Knicks are the Gardener's rocket,

619
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Speaker 2: it's the Mecca.

620
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: They call it the Mecca.

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Speaker 2: Uh. No building has had more historical events from the

622
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: Beatles to the Whole the Cab to Kevin Hart to

623
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: boxing matches, lead I mean, you you name it. That

624
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: building has hosted it, Elton John it doesn't matter. So

625
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: when it yeah, I mean they just be honest, man.

626
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: They probably got some he was, uh, he was there

627
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Spree was there ninety nine. He was on

628
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: that uh with Alan Houston. But that was was that

629
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Speaker 2: the year? Was that the year that what you gonna

630
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: hit that shot? Was that the year that?

631
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Speaker 5: What?

632
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: You gonna hit that four point play? Uh? Grandmama, you never.

633
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Hit that four point play because they was down like two,

634
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: and I think he ended up hitting a four point

635
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: play or something. Maybe they were down three and he

636
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: ended up hitting a four point play. But uh, yeah,

637
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: it was so I don't know, Yeah, that was it.

638
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: It is a hold hold on, hold on, I got

639
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: to call hi down. I gotta make the shot now.

640
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: It don't mean nothing if I wan't make the shot. Yeah,

641
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.

642
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: But the next beat the Pacers one thirty one twenty one.

643
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson comes back in the second half, breathed life

644
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: a team that.

645
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: Was down eleven.

646
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: They going to win by nine thanks to Jalen brunson heroics,

647
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Devincenzo with sensational again, Josh og Adanobe.

648
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: That's it.

649
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: That's gonna be an interesting situation there, gil if Ogg.

650
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: It looked like he pulled his hamstring. It did look bad?

651
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: Did it did look bad? Uh? Uh? You know what

652
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: do I say about Josh Shard? I can't say enough

653
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: good things about him. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

654
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: he might be leading the playoffs in rebounding and he's

655
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: six four.

656
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's why, that's why, that's why I compared

657
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: it to the god damn Dennis Robin. I'm not I'm

658
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: not calling Dennis Rodman undersize. But Rodney was all over

659
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: the place. It's just like he had a knack and

660
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: always knowing where the ball was gonna land. If it

661
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't land where he was at, he was going to

662
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: get it.

663
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: Yep. This lets you know. This lets you know one thing. Man,

664
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: he's been. He was with it with the Lakers, with

665
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: the Pelicans, right, he was like free man.

666
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Right, he's over at the Knicks. You have a coach

667
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: that believes in you. Right, I'm not taking you out.

668
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: This is your job, this is your team. Go out

669
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: there and play that that I need you feeling that

670
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: a coach can give a player.

671
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: You're seeing it right now in real time.

672
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: So when you think you need to yell at a

673
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: player I needed to, you can see positive reinforcement.

674
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: Get that this man will run through a wall for

675
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: that team. Yep.

676
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: This is not the same shots that was in Pelicans

677
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: or in Los Angeles. You're looking at him like, man,

678
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: why we have him here? Because you didn't have a

679
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: coach that believed in them like that one does right here.

680
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's the difference. And you know he

681
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: believes in him if he takes a shot. You know,

682
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: you know a lot of times you get with coach

683
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: or something, we don't want you to shoot, you pass it.

684
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: He pulls up from three till don't given. And he's

685
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: hit some big threes. Hit one against Philly, hit won

686
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: the first game against Indiana. So Tims gives him the

687
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: confidence that he can go out there and play his game.

688
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: And if he makes a bad play, give coach ain't

689
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: looking at a get hard out. You know.

690
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: That's one thing. Man. They can go out there and

691
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: just play back.

692
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: They don't got to look over their shree they here.

693
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: They don't have to do that because nobody coming for that.

694
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: Right forty eighth the night, every sub I'm just sitting

695
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: there just looking straight, having good old time. You touch mine, hobby,

696
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: Oh wait, oh you something?

697
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: All right?

698
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: Guys, we're going to move on. It's time for our

699
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: first segment of the night, and it's called a news cap.

700
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray is ready to put game two incidents behind him.

701
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: Murray earned one hundred thousand dollars fine from the league

702
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: for throwing a heat pack and a towel on the

703
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: court in the middle of the team's game two loss.

704
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: Murray didn't technically apologize for his action, but he made

705
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: it clear he's ready to move on. I mean, it

706
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: is what it is, and I take everything. I take

707
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: everything in full responsibility. So onto the next, Yeah, onto

708
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: the next. I mean two days ago. There's not much

709
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: for me to say about it right now. Are you

710
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 2: surprised Gil that he only got one hundred thousand dollars

711
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: fine or did you expect some level of suspension to

712
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: come along with that. I never want to play against suspended,

713
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, just for raw emotions, especially from a good

714
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: dude like him.

715
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: You know, he don't cause any problems. He don't get me.

716
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: Uh But like you said, it is what it is.

717
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, I got a.

718
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: Referee or on the court in a live setting. This

719
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: is not like they're on the other side of the court.

720
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: They're in live action right now. You could have injured somebody.

721
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: I know, you know, we don't do ifs, but the

722
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: fact that you did throw it, we don't know what

723
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: your intentions is, and those intentions whatever it is, should

724
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: have been at least a one game suspension, especially when

725
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: you already be proving points to everyone in the NBA.

726
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: You know, someone says something wrong about the referee, Oh,

727
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: they cheated us fifty thousand dollars.

728
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Fine, you do that thousand dollars. Fine.

729
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: So this right here gets the same marit as me

730
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 2: throwing something at the referee.

731
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: Well, god, I'm doing that. Then instead of saying.

732
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Something to the referee with the fifty thousand, I'm gonna

733
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: throw something at the referee up.

734
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: With the price. Yeah right, I think.

735
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: I think the best part about that is that MPG

736
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior actually saw it and kind of kicked it,

737
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: and I think KCP ended up talking it on off

738
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: the court. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Good thing there

739
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: was not a whole lot of action going on down

740
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: there in the end the painted area, because you're right, Gil,

741
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: somebody could have stepped on that. Now, somebody steps on

742
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: that and they're out. See the way I look at

743
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: a suspension if a player does something, this is the way,

744
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: oh yo, And I recommend this to the NFL. If yeah,

745
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: a player injages someone through a dirty head, you have

746
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: to sit down until that player comes back. So if

747
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: that player's out for a month, you sit your ass

748
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: down for a month. He's out sad week, you sent

749
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: your ass out for six week. So if he'd injured somebody,

750
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray injured somebody and he's out for four games,

751
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: he's out four games. And if the series gets swept,

752
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: you out for the number of games next year, and

753
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: then you will stop, you will stop that foolishness.

754
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand, but obviously you know Jamal Murray is

755
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: not a child. He's not one that causes causes issues

756
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: or concerns on the court. I think because of his

757
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: emotion with this incident, it got the best of him,

758
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why he wasn't suspended, because

759
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: he's not one that always causes problems, is not always

760
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: in some type of controversy. And then I think suspending

761
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: him for one game would probably give the opponents somewhat

762
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: at advantage. And I think the commissioner just didn't want

763
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: to see that happen. And I mean, one hundred thousand,

764
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a whole lot, that's a whole lot

765
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: of money.

766
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: Dude making twenty five making twenty five million, but that's

767
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: what it's not about. It's not about money. Gil.

768
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Before you go, I'm not saying, look, had they suspended him,

769
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stand up on my soapbox and

770
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: advocate for they shouldn't have suspended it. So I'm not

771
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: advocating that they did that they should have suspended him.

772
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying, had they suspended him, I would have totally understood.

773
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, I get it. Go ahead, Gil.

774
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: And when they and when they when they lost the game,

775
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: how would you feel after he lost the game because

776
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray wasn't playing.

777
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: I said, hell, you should have thought about that for

778
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: you through the heating pad on the floor. Did that?

779
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

780
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: That's that's the accountability that we got to take as players, right,

781
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: you want us to be accountable. I threw it out

782
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: of emotion, right, and I penalize the real time. The

783
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: penalty is I got suspended. My team lost. Oh down

784
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: O three. That's my fault. I gotta live with that.

785
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: In the summer, we made Mon Green feel he's still

786
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: feeling it to his day of the resp that they

787
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: led a good way for him being reckless. Right, We

788
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: let he's been reckless and he has to take accountability

789
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: for that when he's aging, like he thinks about the championships.

790
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: He he, he knows.

791
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: Man, I should have had one more, but my stupidity

792
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: did that. Now this is my issue, and I don't

793
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: like doing scenarios like this. But is it fair? Let's say,

794
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: and man, someone slipped on that.

795
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Bull.

796
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: They're growing there out of the series. How can you

797
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: allow the Denver Nuggets to move on? Yeah, you got

798
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: the best player with this reckless behavior. No matter how

799
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: many games you suspend, I can suspenct you the most.

800
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: This is the most important player for them. You still

801
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: have your most important player. You guys end up coming

802
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: back and winning a series or because of this move.

803
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't feel.

804
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: That just feels horrible that that is a possibility of

805
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: something like that happening. And I can tell you this

806
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: right now. Listen, I'm about thirty. You know I'm willing

807
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: to win. So if I know this is only one

808
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, Hey, you ain't playing right?

809
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: Who is you? You want to see? What's your name?

810
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: Go ahead?

811
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: Throw a heat back under that thought thought he packed

812
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: right there, and see if we can go ahead, get

813
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: young Fello out of the game.

814
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: Because here's my thing.

815
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: If I'm an if I'm a uh, the fourth player

816
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: or the fifth player or seventh player on the team, hell,

817
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start an argument with something the number one

818
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: and number two play, I'm gonna try to get you

819
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: thrown out because if I get thrown out, it's not

820
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 2: as big as a bigger losses as you getting your butt.

821
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: If I get into it, I'm the seventh gallon, and

822
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: I'm the seventh gallon of.

823
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: Team, and I can get into it with Lebron or

824
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: I can get into it with with Joel embiid mm hm,

825
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: I get talk, I get we double text and they

826
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: throw both of us out.

827
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: Who won? Who won't that? M at San Antonio? San

828
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Antonio against the Sons?

829
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: You remember that game w when Amark when I fin

830
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: Omari came out the bench, Robert Or had checked Steve

831
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: Nash in to the bench. Robert Orry and Omars Startamar

832
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: came out the bench. Had that been David Stern, Oh

833
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: he was gone for a game. No, No, look that's

834
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: what ended up happening. Yeah, he can spended them. He

835
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: got suspended. What Robert Horry did right well, roight Hory

836
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: we did and end up being a brilliant play because

837
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: he hits he he chucks Steve Nash and Mark gets

838
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: off the bench.

839
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: He got suspended.

840
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: So Robin Roy versus Marris start of my out who

841
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: was an All NBA player at that point in time.

842
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: So what would you do? Which would you which was

843
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: the more important loss? And this is what I tell people.

844
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: They said, well, he's the first time. There's a lot

845
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: of people up in Pelican Bay. And if you're from Texas,

846
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: you know where Huntsville is. There's a lot of people

847
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: in prison for a first time offense.

848
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: First time of fence.

849
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: It only take one time.

850
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Exactly how many people have messed up their lives, Oh,

851
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: Joe over a first time offense.

852
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 5: A lot of there's a lot, there's a lot of

853
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: there's a lot of fathers out there. All it took

854
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 5: was one time time, Yeah, one time. But Jamal Murray,

855
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 5: he will be able to go Game three. Uh, he's

856
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: gonna have to play better. Uh.

857
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: And and he hadn't been shooting the ball well. And

858
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of his heroids in the Lakers

859
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: series have masked that he has been shooting the ball poorly.

860
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: And so now it's come through fruition that he's not

861
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: in the position to win the games on last second shots,

862
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: and when you compound that, they're making it very difficult

863
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: on this year's MVP.

864
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: We're talking about that in a second.

865
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic iss, he's one of the most efficient players

866
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: in the NBA. He was five or thirteen, and then

867
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 2: he was like eleven of twenty five, and yeah, he

868
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: had a triple double, but that trible double didnt matter

869
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: because that game wasn't even closed. And then in the

870
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: first game, he had thirty two points, but it took

871
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: him twenty five shots to get it, and he didn't

872
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: have double double digit rebounds or assists. So one of

873
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: those two guys have to play great in order for

874
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: them to have a chance to win. If both of

875
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: those guys are playing bad, you're going to see the

876
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: outcomes that you've seen over the first two games, big

877
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: big losses.

878
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and get to it.

879
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic has been named MVP for the third time

880
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: in this fourth season. Yokis ranked tenth in points fourth

881
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: and rebounds third and assists. He became the second player

882
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: in the NBA history to have at least two thousand points,

883
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: nine hundred rebounds, and seven hundred assists in a season,

884
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: joining Oscar Robinson when he first had the triple double.

885
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: Led that had a season on a triple double in

886
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: sixty one sixty two. He's the ninth player to win

887
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: three or more MVPs. Kareem has six, Michael Jordan and

888
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: Bill Russell has five, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron James has four,

889
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Nicola, Jokic and Moses Malone have three.

890
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: Gil hold On check this out.

891
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: Shaq hopefully told Jokic that someone else should have won

892
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: the MVP moments after the MVP was named on TNT

893
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: The Crew, Shack said, Joker and further than the Big

894
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Man Alliance, you are the vice frether of the Big

895
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Man Alliance. You know I love you, but the best

896
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: player in the league. I want to congratulate you. I

897
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: want to hear. I want you to hear from me. First,

898
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: I thought SGA should have been the VP. That's no

899
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: disrespect to you, but congratulations.

900
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: Gayup. What's you think? Well, we already know what you think.

901
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: You know think.

902
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't this ship. I could have left that part

903
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: out of it congratulating him.

904
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: But let me and you do. Let me and let

905
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: you and I have that discussion.

906
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: Not but to Shack's credit, he don't have to worry

907
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: about Shaq going on a podcast, oh his own podcast

908
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: or go saying something. I'm saying this to your face.

909
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: I thank you the best player in the league. I

910
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: think you the best big man in the league, and YadA,

911
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. But this year I thought SG should have won,

912
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: should have won the m v P. But go ahead,

913
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: they said that ship on your podcast. I don't saying that,

914
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: not not not not not on T n T while

915
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my guy there trophy. Yeah, I'm

916
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: still I'm still gonna take the trophy home. I appreciate

917
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: your artisty, but this trophy is still going.

918
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: On the mantle.

919
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, don't do that to me. Now, let's

920
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: go ahead and celebrate me. Go on your podcast and

921
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: say what you really feel and then we keep it

922
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: like that. But it gives where's the hope, right, where's

923
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: the hope for young players?

924
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: Right to? This is who we were last year. We're

925
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 3: the number one team.

926
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: This year, we outplayed the champions who were supposed to

927
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: be number one. We became number one. I'm averaging thirty.

928
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm doing Why am I not being rewarded? How are

929
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: you rewarding someone who who did not live up to

930
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: this year expectations. They were expected to dominate the season

931
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: and they didn't. We didn't I perform. I'm not averaging

932
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty five. I'm imaging thirty. I got

933
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: my boys playing rocket basketball. We out here playing on

934
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: both sides of the field. I ain't finished games now.

935
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: The knock against Jokich is we can talk about the

936
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: assists all we want. We can highlight the assists. Are

937
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: we gonna just just ignore the fact that he is

938
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: not the go to guy when it counts? Are we gonna?

939
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: Are we gonna ignore the fact that what a SGA

940
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: does at the end of the game, he's a clutch player.

941
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: That ball goes to Murray at the game. He is

942
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: the guy who Jokic relies on to hit those buckets.

943
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: He becomes the number one option when the game.

944
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: Is on the line.

945
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: So giving the MVP to a guy who, when it counts,

946
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: has to give it to another guy, and you're saying,

947
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: a young fella, maybe next year, it kind of just

948
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: takes away from what are we all doing this for?

949
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: What is the point of being number one? Jason Tatum?

950
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: What is the point of me being number one? What

951
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: is the point of us doing any of this? If

952
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: you're not rewarding anything, what are you rewarding? And that's

953
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: the problem have we do not have any consistency on

954
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: this award. You don't want to want the guys to

955
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: be selfish, right, you say, all right, if you're selfish

956
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: thinking about yourself and not the team, we're not gonna

957
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: reward you. Now you got guys trying to build teams

958
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: and and okay I'm winning. Hey, I'm still doing good.

959
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah no, not this shit. Yeah, we're gonna go.

960
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you to some selfish like it just

961
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: you can't get I would say this game before you go,

962
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: oh Joe Jason Tatum may have have No, he should

963
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: don't even talk about the MVP because the way he

964
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: fell off. Man, he fell off like Milli Vanilly Jason Tatem,

965
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: What I mean, tell you all, did you not see

966
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: his his last game? His last games? He's about the bottom.

967
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: He shouldn't list u K First of all, Okay, if

968
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: you want to say s G a I ain't finna

969
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: fight you. If you want to say Luca, I ain't

970
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: finna fight you. But to say Jason Tatum over Yokic?

971
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, he should have been first of all,

972
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum shouldn't have been over Bronson.

973
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh.

974
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: What we need to do here?

975
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: Huh? If you got to think about telling me something,

976
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: he ain't doing what he's doing? Did the score thirty zero?

977
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: Walk?

978
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: Hey? We you mis man?

979
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: Hey, I can make I can make a case that

980
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: that Jaylen Brown is just as important. You can say

981
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: that I don't know this. Have you seen these playoffs?

982
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: Have you seen? Have you seen these playoffs? Yeah?

983
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: I know what I do see in the playoffs that

984
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: we winn by twenty every game And I don't need

985
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: to really bub my injury.

986
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 3: Hey, so hey, number two options, do your thinging, young fellow?

987
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: Do your think I mean, we.

988
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: Weired about were weird about twinty with not your sister

989
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: that's been it's been Derek White and Jaylen Brown.

990
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is they the number one.

991
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: This guy at this point, he needs to be great

992
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the game to get the score up.

993
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: Like what we're were penalizing. We're penalizing Tatum for for something.

994
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: We gave Steph Curry, right, we gave Curry an MVP

995
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: and he didn't play in damn near forty fourth quarters

996
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: because it was blowing everybody out average about twenty four.

997
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: But the way they calculations did it, it made sense.

998
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: So you can't look at his numbers as saying because

999
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: he's blowing everybody out and he's not in in crunch

1000
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: time anymore, Like when was the last time he played

1001
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: the last five minutes?

1002
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: I don't I don't like. I don't like Taydum for

1003
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: the MVP this year.

1004
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: Maybe the first half of the season, but the last

1005
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: half those guys that the Brunson's, the Jokic, the SGA's

1006
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: and the Lucas. I thought they would have been more deserving. Now,

1007
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: do I think Jason Tator's gonna be on the first

1008
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: team all NBA?

1009
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. But that's what I'm saying.

1010
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: But it's like, because we're so good, why are you

1011
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: penalizing me for so good?

1012
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: We're so good?

1013
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: It makes me say, all right, I just want to

1014
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: be a mediocre team, so I have to play every

1015
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 2: game hard.

1016
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: It's That's what I'm saying.

1017
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: It's like, how do like when if you're Jason Tatum,

1018
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: you've been the four finals, you've been the four finals,

1019
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna be at your fifth one most likely if

1020
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: Denver get put out, they are winning the championship because

1021
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: the first two rounds plus New York Jason Tatum and

1022
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: Brown is not gonna be challenged by anybody themselves right

1023
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: as a player. There's no three men on the other

1024
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: team that's gonna be challenging them to them for them

1025
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: to rub up their engine, so they're gonna have fresh,

1026
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: fresh legs versus somebody like at Man. At Man got

1027
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: to played all the way from this series to the

1028
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: next series on too. It so Boston's gonna have fresher

1029
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: legs from their stars. He wins a championship and we're saying, yeah,

1030
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: you just didn't have it this year because they won

1031
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: sixty something games. It just seems like he's playing well.

1032
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: I thought he played well. I fay, what do he

1033
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: averaged six twenty seven? Yeah?

1034
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, what you're thinking.

1035
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's joker and joker. He always He's

1036
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: been joking the past what three seasons.

1037
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: Obviously, had had Joel Embiid not had that historic season

1038
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: last year, right, he'd have been four before Gil.

1039
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Dominique, I mean.

1040
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: But but Shi has been special.

1041
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: Man.

1042
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: You look at what Shi has done over in Okay, see,

1043
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: obviously like the piggyback off what Gil said, most thirty

1044
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: point games in twenty nineteen, when Harden did it. Listen,

1045
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: he led the NBA in steals too. Obviously, he's the

1046
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: best player on the Thunder, and if I'm not mistaken,

1047
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: they were the number one seed as well. Right, Yes,

1048
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: when it's time for a clutch shot at the end

1049
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: of the game and OKAYC is playing, who are they

1050
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: trying to get the ball to.

1051
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: Shame? Yeah, shame?

1052
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you take Shay off the Thunder. Are

1053
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: they in the playoffs?

1054
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: No?

1055
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean there are so many different variables that

1056
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: go into it that says, you know what, based on

1057
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: what he did this year in such a short amount

1058
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: of time in his career, he should have won MVP.

1059
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1060
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: So basically, if they come back next season and he

1061
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: repeats the same cycle again, which I'm assuming Joker will

1062
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: probably do the same thing, do they give it the

1063
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Joker for a fourth time? To win his fourth.

1064
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard.

1065
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna if it's about to start getting harder and harder,

1066
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: because you know when you get that third, Because think

1067
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: about it, Lebron had his had his fourth at what

1068
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: twenty eight, Gilt twenty nine, and had had you really

1069
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: come close? I think he came close. I think he

1070
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: fished second to hard one year. Uh and so in

1071
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: about about ten eleven years. So it's about to get

1072
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: harder and harder for guys to to win those MVP

1073
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: too to once you get to that number.

1074
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: Because right, go ahead, Yiel said, okay, so this is

1075
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: my this is my question here.

1076
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: Right, Jokers team was fifth one MVP, the best record,

1077
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: fifth best record this year. I don't even know, but

1078
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: they're third in the West. Right, the team aspect hasn't

1079
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: been dominant. What happens now he already has three and

1080
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 2: his team decides they get better. He does the same numbers,

1081
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: but his team is winning sixty sixty five games, seventy games.

1082
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Are you gonna give him the MVPs that he deserves

1083
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: or then you're gonna go back and screw him and say, oh,

1084
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: we can't give you him.

1085
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: Now what do you do?

1086
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: Now, what do you do when his team they come

1087
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: back next year and they win sixty five games and

1088
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: he has the same numbers. You sit there like because

1089
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: you already rewarded him where his team was not the

1090
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: number one team in the NBA, So what do you

1091
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: do when he is the number one team? Gil?

1092
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: I think the thing is you look at the MVP.

1093
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: Because of the way Joker played in the playoffs last year,

1094
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: it kind of carried over there. It's like, oh my god,

1095
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: maybe we made a mistake. You look at ant Man

1096
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: the way he's played in the playoffs. You look at

1097
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson. If Luca can turn it around, I think, Shay,

1098
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: I think the m v P is gonna come from

1099
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: one of those guys, because I think the voters are

1100
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: gonna look and we understand, this is a regular season award,

1101
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: the m VY. You know, everybody like, well, you got

1102
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: to take you all to wait till after the playoffs. No, No,

1103
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 2: the m v P has always been a regular season

1104
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: a war. You have finals MVP for the player that

1105
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: plays the best in the playoffs and then in the final.

1106
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: That's what that should be. But I think the thing

1107
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: is is for like s g A. If he could

1108
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 2: go on and get his team to the Western Conference

1109
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Finals or get them to the mv NBA Finals even

1110
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: if they don't win. Obviously, if they win, it would

1111
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: be a huge accomplishment. I think the voter's gonna, look,

1112
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: you know what we've got. We got to reward these

1113
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: young guys coming up.

1114
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 3: So so then, but that's the problem.

1115
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: You're you're, you're, you're you're gonna That means you're gonna

1116
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: screw somebody next year. To me, what you did, that's

1117
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: if you right wrong somebody that's Jordan Lebron, Toby so

1118
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: y'all been screwing people all the year.

1119
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: Keep on screwing them.

1120
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Like that's what I'm saying. Joker wins sixty three

1121
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: games next year and he's playing the same way. We're

1122
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: gonna be saying Jokers the ND me.

1123
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well not a less not unlesson be coming

1124
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: back healthy.

1125
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna be like, well he was third

1126
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: last year, now he's won this year. You gotta get

1127
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: into him like he he has a great upside. Like

1128
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: what what does Shade do next year to get an end?

1129
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. That's why I say, Jason Tatom,

1130
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: I'm averaging thirty. My team is number one. I'm not

1131
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: averaging twenty two. I'm managing thirty points a game. What

1132
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: do I need to do next year to win an award? Right?

1133
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 3: Because if I average.

1134
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: Twenty eight and we're number one, you're gonna say it's

1135
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: a down year.

1136
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1137
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Guy, Back back to Shack. I think the part of

1138
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 2: Shack he might not ever met this, but Shaq see

1139
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: these guys winning the v MVP's and a little envious

1140
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: because and I don't care. Look, I understand that Shaq

1141
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: got four titles and he has three finals MVPs, but Shack, no,

1142
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 2: deep down, we should be having a discussion for go Shaq.

1143
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: Shaq name has never brought up in a discussion. Now

1144
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 2: we bring his name up with Big Man's, with Will

1145
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: Russell and Kareem and rightfully so. But we're never gonna

1146
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: see another guy Shack sized with his athleticism that was

1147
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: as dominant as him. And he robbed himself because he

1148
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 2: didn't take it serious enough. Did he take it serious?

1149
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: Not nearly as serious as he should have. Shaq should

1150
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: have five MVP's, Shaq should have seven titles, and I

1151
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: think he sees he sees a guy like nicolea Jokic

1152
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: that's not as dominant as him and gets three and

1153
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: four years and people are talking about him, and they

1154
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: never talk about they talk about him dominant big man.

1155
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: But see when you his great, they talk about you

1156
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: as great basketball player, the goat, and Shaq is never

1157
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: brought up when they say Tom Brady, even though he

1158
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: plays quarterback. They say Tom Brady is the greatest football player. Oh, Joe,

1159
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: you and I debate. We say Jerry, we say Lawrence

1160
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: Taylor or whomever. But Tom Brady, although he played quarterback,

1161
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: Shack is never brought up in those discussions when it

1162
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: comes to goats. He's never in front of Magic, He's

1163
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: never in front of Lebron, He's never in front of Jordan,

1164
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: He's never in front of Kareem. He's never really in

1165
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: front of Russ when we talk about goats, those routes

1166
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 2: Mount rush or Mount Rushmore. And I think a part

1167
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: of him is envious of that. But he doesn't have

1168
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: anybody to blame but himself.

1169
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: But do you think it's because he's a senat though

1170
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: obviously when we talk about the.

1171
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: Kareem is a center. But okay, Kareem Chamberlain got four.

1172
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? Magic got three, Bird

1173
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: got three, Mosa Malone was a feeler, he has three?

1174
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here?

1175
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: Old Joe?

1176
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, yok I see him as I'm

1177
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: trying to he can shoot. He got min ringing shoots

1178
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: a three. It's a different type of center for today's game,

1179
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to Shaq being in the post.

1180
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: That hook. Will didn't do nothing but the finger roll.

1181
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: So you know what's now?

1182
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: Wait, so when when we talk about the greatest basketball

1183
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: players of all time, as far as the go conversation,

1184
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Shaq's name is never brought.

1185
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: Up in there. Have you ever heard it?

1186
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: No, because it's normally just it's normally just Kobe, m

1187
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: J and Lebron.

1188
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: That's it.

1189
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: Kareem Now, I never Actually, Kareem doesn't get in the

1190
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: credit he deserve.

1191
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: On most, it's always the same three names.

1192
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: Hey, the NBA players voted and they had Jordan one,

1193
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: they had Lebron two, they had Kobe three. But most,

1194
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: but when you see most, when they do the analytics

1195
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: and they ask all these execs, it's normally Jordan, Lebron kareem, I'm.

1196
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: About I'm about us. I ain't talking about how.

1197
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, talk, how do you put a guy

1198
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: which got the most regular season MVPs before Lebron broke

1199
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: his record. He had the most points, the third, most rebounds,

1200
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: five titles, two finals MVPs, and you say he's not

1201
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: in the goat conversation.

1202
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: The same reason we say Bill Russell not in it.

1203
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: We just we just do.

1204
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: But but here's the thing. Russell was the most important.

1205
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: But there are times, I mean, Russell didn't win Rookie

1206
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: of the year. Tommay Hayson win Rookie of the Year. Now,

1207
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: it had been interesting to see during those eleven titles,

1208
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: how many finals MVPs. So let's just say, for the

1209
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: sake of argument, he got eight finals MVP or we

1210
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: gonna leave him out of the gate go conversation. Now,

1211
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: GI you no, sir, because in reality, there's only two

1212
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: people arguing for the goat. Whoever you have his third

1213
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: you're you're non and you you're irrelevant because you can't

1214
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: put any more stats up on the board for you

1215
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: to get the number two or number one anyway, So

1216
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: when people say, yeah, this is the goat, debate, Shack,

1217
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: you're in the goat debate, Bill Rush. You guys don't

1218
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: have any more stats, right, there's only if Jordan is

1219
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: a goal and they're.

1220
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: Saying Lebron is number two.

1221
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: The only reason this is still a conversation is because

1222
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: Lebron is still trying to get in front.

1223
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: Once Lebron stops, there's no more to go debate.

1224
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: If he stops at two, right, If he stops at two,

1225
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: it's just Michael Jordan, and then whoever comes along and

1226
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: he jumps in front of Lebron, then that's the gold debate.

1227
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: Once your third, you're in third place. Bro, you got Lebron, right, right,

1228
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: there's no debating of that part of it. The only

1229
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: reason is a still conversation is because there's still right now.

1230
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: When it comes to shock, Shack hates every big man.

1231
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: If he have, he does.

1232
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: Shaking the fool, going at JaVale McGee and all of them.

1233
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't like the big man rightfully, so, because that's.

1234
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: His position he is.

1235
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: In his mind, he is the apex predator. No matter

1236
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: what no one says, we don't care. He don't care

1237
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: what you say.

1238
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 3: He don't care. You can throw all the championships and

1239
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: all that.

1240
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: He if we lace him up and we had to

1241
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: in our prime, had to play against each other our prime,

1242
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: he thinks he's the Apex predator. Right, I'm gonna I'm

1243
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: gonna bust through all y'all. So you guys consider those awards.

1244
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: Those awards hurt because it's the m VP's Gil, it's

1245
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: the m v P, because you only have one IF

1246
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: and that's and that's my argument.

1247
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 3: You and I debated this.

1248
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to put somebody into god conversation

1249
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: with one m VP regular season.

1250
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: It's hard, gil if hard.

1251
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: So we're gonna take somebody with one regular season MVP

1252
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: and put him in front of people.

1253
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: They got three, they got four, they got five. But hey,

1254
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: but this.

1255
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: Even without the MVP, right, even without the MVPs. Shacks Listen,

1256
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: Shack's dominance during his tenure in the NBA.

1257
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 3: Was like no other.

1258
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: It was like no other.

1259
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: Just the zone is in because of him. They put

1260
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: the zone in because we didn't have enough people to

1261
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: guard him. So they said, hey, hey, we can do

1262
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: it two three, So that means we can put somebody

1263
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: in front of them, somebody behind them, right, and we

1264
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: can try to contain them. That zone was not for

1265
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: let's make better shooters. It was because no one could guard.

1266
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: She Shack wasn't as long as Kareems. It just wasn't.

1267
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't if you, if you if your basketball. He

1268
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: is the one guy he had the most. You could

1269
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: talk about the one leg step back, you could talk

1270
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: about the step back three. But Kareem, I do a

1271
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: jabbar because guess what, I got ten guys that can

1272
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: shoot the James Harden step back three. I got fifteen

1273
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: guys can shoot the one leg step back. How many

1274
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: guys have ever been able to throw the sky hook? Nah? No,

1275
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: you're right about that. And I'm I'm saying how many?

1276
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: How many guys break back boards on peap But Daryl

1277
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 2: Dawkins was the first.

1278
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: Darryl.

1279
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: But see they was fighting Darryl. They took finally ten

1280
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. He said, well, I'm done with this because

1281
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: they wasn't making the money. If you remember Chocolate Thunder

1282
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: was he was the reason why they put the collapsble

1283
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: rim in because he was literally taking the rim out

1284
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: of the glass. So they put the collapsal rim in

1285
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: for Daryl Dawkins. I know that's before y'all time. But

1286
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: I remember Darryl, Remember he was Chocolate Thunder. That's when

1287
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: they used to let the guys play with gold chains. O, Gil, but.

1288
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: You gotta let you.

1289
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: But you know, Shaq, that's this is one of those

1290
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: things that that's in him. He can't right when you

1291
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: think you like that. The same thing with Penny right,

1292
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: the envious and Penny the envious of with Kobe right

1293
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: the NDAs and when Dwayne Wade he said it out

1294
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: his mouth when he went to.

1295
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: Cash. You know he was Innvius lebron Right.

1296
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: You're talking about a guy who when he came into

1297
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: the NBA, you know he was His name was up

1298
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: there with make Jordan down there.

1299
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: I think you made the rookie?

1300
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Did you make the All Star Game of the rookie?

1301
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 5: Wait?

1302
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: That power?

1303
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: When you young man, you got everything to your disposal.

1304
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: When you young man, it's hard than not to walk

1305
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: like Superman and act like Superman. And you said, yeah,

1306
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: he's the number one option and you see here, but

1307
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: here the fang, Gil, what did they see every stop

1308
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: that he went? Did he outwork Penny in Orlando? Did

1309
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: he outwork Kobe in La? Did he outwork d Wade

1310
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: in Miami did he outwork? You see, he wanted things. See,

1311
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: he wanted thing for the work that he didn't put in.

1312
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: You see what we talking about Jo When we had

1313
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: this conversation the other night. The management sees, see, he thought, well,

1314
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm the best player. I ain't got a practice, so

1315
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And they said, well,

1316
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: if that's the case with Penny Kobe, this one, that one,

1317
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: so so what are the teams supposed to do? And

1318
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: then the injuries. Injuries robbed him because he didn't control

1319
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: his weight, he didn't train like he was supposed to.

1320
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: And you see what happens. Shaq's supposed to be in

1321
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: the goat conversation, Shaq's supposed to have thirty thousand points.

1322
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: Shaq's supposed to be a top five rebounder. Hey, why

1323
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: y'all bull driving a guy that gets left out, it's

1324
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan. People don't realize how good Dunky was.

1325
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 5: He was.

1326
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: He was the bea he was.

1327
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yeah. He don't get the credit. Look,

1328
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: we don't there There have been a lot of great

1329
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: guys like Elijah Wan with a great big man people

1330
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: dream shape, and he was as good I got him.

1331
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: He's the best defensive You can make a case he's

1332
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: the best defensive player because he.

1333
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: Can slide on the pick and roll.

1334
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: He can slide, he can get out obviously, blocking shots,

1335
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: reap all that other stuff.

1336
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: He was fundamentally sound offensive.

1337
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: We know about the dream shape, but there are a

1338
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: lot of guys that don't get the credit, especially but

1339
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: you and Jordan. I mean, because for whatever reason, guys,

1340
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: we don't like bigs, because you know what, we gotta

1341
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: have a little guy, get you the ball.

1342
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: The little guys can have the ball and go get

1343
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 3: their own point.

1344
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. They we don't need y'all big. We

1345
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: can gonna get out. We take the ball from one

1346
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: end to the other. You're not gonna do that, but

1347
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: on the case. So the bigs are never going to

1348
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: get the credit they deserve in the game of basketball,

1349
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: but they're very, very important. And I think Shaq I

1350
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: know for a fact, if Shaq would have had let's

1351
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: just say, if he'd had my work ethic, he'd had

1352
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: forty thousand points.

1353
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: But let's just say he had a little bit a

1354
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: better work ethic and his diet. What do you think

1355
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 3: what Gil?

1356
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: What do you think he could have done with a

1357
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: little better work ethic and cleaned up his diet.

1358
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: That's been the argument that Kobe had his whole career.

1359
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: Right, if you just have somewhat of themis ten Maybe

1360
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: not ten because San Antonio, but they had they had,

1361
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 2: I give at least five or six Gill.

1362
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: But we was dried like this.

1363
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying, Like, think about the skilled

1364
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: players today, right, they wouldn't be People don't realized this either.

1365
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: All of the power forwards back in ninety six to

1366
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: about two thousand and five, have you noticed the center

1367
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: when they said the center position is gone?

1368
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1369
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, none. They went to the four man. Everybody was

1370
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: scared of Shaquille O'Neill and guarded him. You got seven

1371
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: to one dudes perternity sixty. You automatically got put to

1372
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: the center. And they didn't want to guard Shack for

1373
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: the two or four games, so they went to the

1374
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: power forward position and became power force. That's why our

1375
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 2: power forward position is dominant, because they was all scared

1376
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: of Shaquille O'Neill. Right, That's just how it was, Like,

1377
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 2: I like, I gotta guard Shack or I'm gonna guard

1378
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: a six five Charles Barkley.

1379
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go to this position. So they all

1380
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 3: moved to the power force.

1381
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: So when you look at the power forward position, all

1382
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: these dominant biggs, they were supposed to be five men

1383
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: seven foot power forwards because they didn't want to guard him.

1384
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: So the fact that if he would have just stayed

1385
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: in the gym, kept his weight under control, right, there

1386
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: was no one, there was no one in the history

1387
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 2: of the game that could have dealt with him. Shack

1388
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: had a game. You remember that game Shaq had gil

1389
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: He had twenty four points, twenty eight rebound, and fifteen blocks.

1390
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: And the twenty four points is that's you got fifty

1391
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: two dudes sticking the man we called him for.

1392
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: I've never so that.

1393
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 2: There's not been a dude in the league since I played.

1394
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: As soon as he thought about like he started ducking in.

1395
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: He got the ball. Yet, come on down here, help.

1396
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 3: I been looking at it in the finals.

1397
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: Look at what Shaq did in the finals when he

1398
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: was in the Lakers, and look at what he did

1399
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: when they went head up with him, when Rick smitz

1400
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: or or the Kim bay or kid Pole Kenya Martin.

1401
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: Look at Shaq's numbers thirty eight and sixteen thirty five

1402
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: and fifteen thirty four and fourteen Oh what the only

1403
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: guy that can have a problem with it because he

1404
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: was gonna make it work on the other end with

1405
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: Kim Duncan. Because Tim Duncan was gonna make it work

1406
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: on the other eve, and that's what you have to do.

1407
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: Elijah Wan gave him problem because Elija want to use

1408
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: the quickness, you know, he feel lies you want. He

1409
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 2: thinks he feeled him on the right side. LaJuan is

1410
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: already to the left side and he's in front of him.

1411
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw the ball, So Elija Wan gave him

1412
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: problems because La Juana can make it work on the

1413
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: other end.

1414
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, that's not fair though.

1415
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: That was That was a two years shock versus a

1416
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: damn NBA MVP, right, that's a that was like MB

1417
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: and Winby right now, that ain't under fair.

1418
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: We got to wait till they they find out together.

1419
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: Man, Look here, check Elija Wa was giving up one

1420
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, Gil damn.

1421
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 3: It was ninety three. You gotta you gotta guy out

1422
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: there that was in the back. That was ninety five.

1423
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 3: We're ninety five NBA Finals yet if not okay, yeah,

1424
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: that's not about Shack thirty year my bad.

1425
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: But he give up pounds, Guil, that'd be like you.

1426
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: That'd be like you a grade and they talk about

1427
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: a coub O Gill, Come, O Gill.

1428
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get it celebrated some minutes. But man, look here,

1429
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 3: and I told you, I said, bro.

1430
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: Just a little bit, because because what happens as you

1431
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: start to oh Joe, you know this, As you start

1432
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: to age, the injury will start to come with greater regularity,

1433
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 2: and they'll keep you down for longer.

1434
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: An injury when you're young, keep you down maybe a week.

1435
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: As you start to get two three years past, not

1436
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: an injury keeps you down for two weeks. Not an

1437
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 2: injury keep you down for a month. Not an injury

1438
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 2: keeps you down for half the season. And so you're like, damn,

1439
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: and that's it. If Shaq would have taken it like

1440
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: you know what, it was the end all, be all.

1441
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: Kobe Jordan.

1442
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you couldn't shoot your commercials and do things,

1443
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: but what did Jordan do when he shot Space Jail?

1444
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: He had a court built at Warner Brothers and they

1445
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: played basketball. He called guys in and they who Kobe

1446
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: in the gym, Lebron in the gym? Man and Shaq

1447
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: did that. So Shaq is looking at Yo Man, this

1448
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: joker he twenty nine. They got three MVP three yahn

1449
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: Is got to MVP. And and that's and that's why

1450
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: I and that's why I say when when people talk

1451
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: about the eighties and nineties and and they have this discussion,

1452
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: and I say, the difference really is is, yeah, we

1453
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: have technology and these guys have history. Right to look

1454
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: at where you were successful and where you failed, and

1455
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: then they can change it. So the Yokish you you

1456
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: can see if he was a lazy dude, hell yeah,

1457
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 2: what's your problem, he had one coming in too, He

1458
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: had a way pumpker, but he took care of his body.

1459
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 2: And this is the reward of it. We see Gianni's

1460
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: boke up right. We see these guys taking the extra measures.

1461
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: There's no Dennis Rodmans in this game. There's no guy

1462
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: going to the club Oho partying, drinking all night. Not

1463
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: the great one the game out there to score twenty, No, doll,

1464
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 2: that ain't happening. Broke, You're gonna get exposed in this game.

1465
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: So these guys, there's so much money and there's so

1466
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: many brands that's going on that these guys are all

1467
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: walking like a business. They're all thinking like Michael Jordan.

1468
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: Right then it was Michael Jordan, and then everybody else

1469
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: was getting rewarded for what this man was doing. Now

1470
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: everybody wants to be Michael Jordan's brand. So they're all

1471
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: acting like a Michael Jordan, a Kobe Bryant, Lebron James.

1472
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna get caught drinking. I'm not gonna

1473
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: do this. I'm not gonna go a lot of the

1474
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: play video games, you know. So they're all being under

1475
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: the versus everybody just being everybody. Now, when Michael Jordan

1476
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: got Tim Grover, not everybody has a personal trainer, everybody

1477
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: has a chef, everybody's in the gym, everybody's doing all that.

1478
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 2: All that because Charles Bark and I just had Charles

1479
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: Bark on my podcast. He said, man, he said, Shannon,

1480
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: when I was two eighty, I can only play like

1481
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: first like three to four minutes. And he asked Moses Malone.

1482
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: Moses Malone told him, Moses Malone at that point in

1483
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: time was a three time MVP.

1484
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: He said, Chuck, you fat and you lazy.

1485
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a combination that you could be

1486
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: one of the other. You can be fat, but you

1487
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: can't be lazy. You could be lazy, but you damn

1488
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: you gotta be good. You can't be both. That's too

1489
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 2: bad happens to have. It's like it's like sports, Oh Joe,

1490
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: you could be one of the others. You could be old,

1491
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,560
Speaker 2: but you can't be old an slops. You get to

1492
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: be che one, choose one, but choose wisely. But you

1493
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 2: got both of them.

1494
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: On your side.

1495
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: You own and soap, you fat and lazy. Chuck said,

1496
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: I got down to two fifty, so now I can play.

1497
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: Chuck led the league in rebounding. Chuck can't be no

1498
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: more than what the six four sixty five. He led

1499
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: the league in rebounding with the Shacks, with the Elijah Wants,

1500
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: with the David Robinson's, with the Patrick Ewings, with all

1501
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 2: those tall guys.

1502
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 3: He led it.

1503
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: Because he in shake Zion all, y'all gotta do zi

1504
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: Yon get down to two fifty. Zion went to MVP.

1505
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: Did y'all see did y'all see him? Against the Lake

1506
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: of the last game. Y'all see how easy he got

1507
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 2: farted because he gonna get the way he want to

1508
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: and you can't stop it.

1509
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 3: I can't. I listened to that interview and I wanted

1510
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 3: to tag Kevin Durant because he said he said in there,

1511
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: uh he said, you know, I was in.

1512
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: Philly and I was like, man, I need some help

1513
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 2: ease me before screaming for some health dog yarles. But

1514
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: that's what I love about the old dudes. They got,

1515
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: they forget, they forget that they packed up. But see

1516
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: the way that gil the way they look at it,

1517
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: is that the team moved them. The general manager they

1518
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: don't like. You get the same results whether you Hey,

1519
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: it's either you steal it or somebody give it to you.

1520
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: It's theft by possession. You know it's stolen and you

1521
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: take it. They gonna take your ass to jail too.

1522
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: Even if you stole it, they gonna take your ass

1523
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: to jail. It's called receiving stolen goods theft by possession.

1524
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 2: So you in possession of it, you know. So even

1525
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: though the general manager moved you, or the tea or

1526
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: guys like you know what, man, I want to play

1527
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: with you a gil, Hey, Gil, me, you and Oho,

1528
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna team up tonight. Well, people probably mad at

1529
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,520
Speaker 2: us because we put this together and not some corporation.

1530
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 3: Guys.

1531
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: See, it'll be cool if a corporation that you know what,

1532
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: we want to start a podcast. We picked this guy,

1533
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 2: we picked that guy, We picked this guy. No, I

1534
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: say we're gonna start a podcast. I would pick the team. Hey,

1535
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 2: you could you want to do that?

1536
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 3: Hey, let's rocky.

1537
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh I'm saying saying, yeah, I need more help or

1538
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: trade meg. It's the same day you won't out and

1539
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 2: you want to go to a better team because you

1540
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: don't have enough.

1541
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: You blame me your team. Right, it's the same thing. Man.

1542
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 2: That's why I say you can't go on your podcast today.

1543
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: Or your the TNT and ESPN and then.

1544
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 2: Kill players for who you were right. Say, hey, man, listen,

1545
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: I understand did it like this? I regret the internet,

1546
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: So don't be like yeah, don't be like me, but

1547
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: don't pretend like we do have internet.

1548
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 3: We can go we can go there. We can go

1549
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: to nineteen ninety.

1550
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: Four Philly articles, Charles Barkley quotes and then start reading.

1551
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: We can do that. We got the benefit today Rudy Gobert.

1552
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 3: What Defensive Player of the Year.

1553
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: Gobert becomes the third player in the NBA history to

1554
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: win the awards four time, joining the Kim Baiman Tumbo

1555
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: and Ben Wallace.

1556
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 3: What do we got steals per game?

1557
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: Go beart with was zero point seven blocks per game,

1558
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: two point one defensive rating, one oh four point four.

1559
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 2: Wimby one point two steals a game, three point nine

1560
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: blocks a game, one point or one hundred and five

1561
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: point eight defensive rating. But when people say, oh, team rating,

1562
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: look at the defensive rating when Wimby's on the court.

1563
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 2: I thought Wemby should have won the award because I thought,

1564
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: what do you think?

1565
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 3: What do you think? Gil?

1566
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: It's called defensive player team, not defensive team. So if

1567
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 2: you're saying, you know, with this is an argument we

1568
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 2: had today. If Rudy doesn't have to be as great

1569
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: because his team is great and he just gets to

1570
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: do the cleanup.

1571
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: So basically he's running his engine at a back out

1572
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 3: a seventy.

1573
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: Five to fifty on his defensive because everybody's good, and

1574
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: you have a guy who's running out of one hundred

1575
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: to just keep his team like locked into game, he

1576
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: becomes the better defensive player right at the end of

1577
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: the day. Listen, I don't want to knock somebody for

1578
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: winning an award just for for I think it's better

1579
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: for us to really understand, how are you guys voting,

1580
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: what is the voting metrics? Give us everything that you're

1581
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: looking at, so we can see it as a whole,

1582
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: because all the stats we're looking at right now says otherwise.

1583
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: I think there needs to just be explanations on how

1584
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: are they voting, what are they're looking at, what they're seeing,

1585
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: so we can get a better understanding. Because I don't

1586
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: want to say he does deserve it, this guy deserves it,

1587
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: and then your metrics is this, and I think their

1588
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: metrics is there, Joe, So I mean that before you

1589
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: go out, want to say, Joe, the Timberwolves without Rudy

1590
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 2: Gobert Hell the Denver Nuggets, the reigning champs to eighty point.

1591
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's that's a good one. I knew,

1592
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: I knew were gonna say that. But listen, if Rudy's

1593
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: if he's if he's one of three times before or right,

1594
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: and obviously he's wanted because of his defense and then

1595
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: we have women when By Yama who comes, Yeah, whim

1596
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: By Yama, who's coming now, who is also good on

1597
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: the defensive end and the offensive end. I think they

1598
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: give it to Rudy Gobert again for a four time

1599
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: because he's so efficient defensively. Whatever those statistics are that

1600
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: they go off of, I think they give him the

1601
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: edge because that's all he is known for, is playing

1602
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: just defense. Now, I could be wrong. I could be wrong,

1603
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: but I think I think that's that's really what it

1604
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: is based off because he is strictly a defensive player

1605
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,440
Speaker 1: because on offense, he damned their liability.

1606
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I'm wrong.

1607
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: If they were this vast discrepancy with the defensive rating

1608
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: per team, Rudy the timber Wolves was one oh four

1609
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: point four, Wimby is one oh five point eight. But

1610
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: Wimby beats him in deflections, beats him in block shots,

1611
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:16,839
Speaker 2: beats him and steels.

1612
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm confused. And we're talking about with less time too.

1613
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

1614
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: It's like, when you say defensive player, we're looking at

1615
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: the metrics. We're like, clearly, this guy is doubling the

1616
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: production on defense as a individual, and this is an

1617
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: individual award, So what are we missing, like like the

1618
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: sixth man, Huh, my metrics are the sixth man had

1619
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: it Kobe White.

1620
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 3: So Kingan challenged me and go back all the way

1621
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: to when it first started.

1622
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 2: So I went all the way to eighty four, and

1623
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: then I went through everything and realized Maxi did deserve it,

1624
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: and then the reason he deserved it. Yes, Kobe was

1625
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: a plus ten or plus thirteen. Maxy was a plus six.

1626
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 2: But the difference is from last year to this year,

1627
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: he became an All Star, which is most improved.

1628
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 3: He improved All Star.

1629
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 2: All three people who production wasn't that high, they won

1630
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 2: an award, which that was the statedout. So I caught that.

1631
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 2: That's why I said, I want to see the metrics

1632
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: of what they're using so I can understand how they're voting. Yeah,

1633
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, just like I said, if

1634
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: there was such a discrepancy, let's just say the Spurs

1635
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: were when winby on the court with one ten, one twelve.

1636
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 2: That's a big disparity. But when you look at the

1637
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: only thing that and it's like you said, Gil is

1638
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 2: defensive player. He's better in steels, he's better in blocks,

1639
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: he's better in deflections. And you see, guys there are

1640
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: three on one and when By is back them, guys said, no,

1641
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm good, let's go on out here by the three.

1642
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: I ain't messing with it. I don't want no parts

1643
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 2: of that because I know he gonna throw it up

1644
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: in the stands. Speaking of Gobert, a reporter had a

1645
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: question for aunt Man today. Let's take a listen to

1646
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: what ant had to say. You got a tattoo of

1647
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert's face anywhere on your body for the Templewolves

1648
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: to guarantee win the championship this.

1649
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Year, you would do it?

1650
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: What part of your body?

1651
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: Would you get it?

1652
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 5: On? Arm?

1653
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: You would do it. You can't get rid of it,

1654
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: you can't for guaranteed guaranteed tip.

1655
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my that's my dog.

1656
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: Heal.

1657
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a chip, I'm gonna be a Chiplets

1658
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: more folk man, for a rint, for a rint, mm hmm,

1659
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: I'll put.

1660
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 3: Attached to a Rudie right now? For one more? Give

1661
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 3: me one? He knew me.

1662
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Look, look, you don't even gotta let me play the NBA.

1663
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 2: Give me two new knees so I can just go

1664
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: out there and run again. I'll get get right here,

1665
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: I get him and in this baby right here on

1666
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 2: the other side. Oh man, a little gobot.

1667
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 3: You some of the things.

1668
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: I already got forty four? What's one more? It ain't

1669
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna matter. It definitely aint gonna matter, for for for

1670
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:24,440
Speaker 1: a championship.

1671
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 3: So you look, huh you got one of those brands

1672
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: on your no.

1673
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: Because I got a brand. Man got one of those brands.

1674
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: So I ain't got no brand. Yeah, I ain't got

1675
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: no brand.

1676
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 3: Okay, okay,