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Speaker 2: You guys know, I started off in the world of sports,

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Speaker 2: many of you have seen these kind of stories. I

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Speaker 2: bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of

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Speaker 2: recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the

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Speaker 2: sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One

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Speaker 2: of our writers at OutKick, Joe Kinzie, who does fabulous

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Speaker 2: work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the

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Speaker 2: SEC sororities. It got eleven million views on Twitter, and

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Speaker 2: these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking

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Speaker 2: social media, and I'm money, I'm kind of partly kidding

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Speaker 2: future to get into SEC schools than it is to

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Speaker 2: get into Ivy League schools. Because I tweet about this

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Speaker 2: and I we're about to bring in Grant Napier and

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Speaker 2: I want to get his story because I think It

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Speaker 2: all kind of ties in with the cultural shift that

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Speaker 2: we're seeing. When I was a kid, you basically had

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Speaker 2: to have a pulse to get into an SEC school.

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Speaker 2: I graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven, and I

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Speaker 2: a dead man. They probably would have admitted me if

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Speaker 2: I could have paid the tuition. Right now, the University

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Speaker 2: of Tennessee has a thirty eight percent at mid rate.

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss and people in Mississippi are going to kind of

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Speaker 2: know when you had a kid that was a troublemaker

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Speaker 2: It's hard to get into Ole Miss. Now, kids in

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Speaker 2: get an invite to Starkville, Mississippi. I've never seen anything

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Speaker 2: like this. Every southern big school that plays football, every

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Speaker 2: But I want to go back in time, way way

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Speaker 2: back in time to five years ago, in the summer

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, Grant Napier with us now, and Grant,

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Speaker 2: I just want you to tell this audience your story

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Speaker 3: On May thirty first of twenty twenty, I was sitting

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Speaker 3: and I said something like, hey, I haven't heard from

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Speaker 3: I responded with six words all lives matter, every single

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I can't believe you said that. That was

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Speaker 3: You know what's crazy about this Clay leading up to

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Speaker 3: and look at those tweets. It was like, oh, wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, we have to fire Grant Napier. We have

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Speaker 3: to show black lives matter, don't come after us. Oh no,

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Speaker 3: we fired a guy that set all lives matter. They panicked.

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Speaker 2: I remember covering it, and I believe we had you

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened

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Speaker 3: But you asked me a question about you know, what

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Speaker 3: He wrote, Black lives matter because all lives matter. White

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Speaker 2: I think that's an important conversation. And I want to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. A lot

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Speaker 4: Clay appreciate it. Yeah, I am a geologist, and I

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, when I would see people out in public,

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Speaker 2: and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck

433
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, what people would come

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Speaker 2: up and say to me was you say what I

435
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Speaker 2: wish I could say?

436
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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: And as a guy who did sports, I never had

438
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: heard that before because it's sports, right, like, who cares?

439
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: I love it. But if I say that your team's

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Speaker 2: gonna win the super Bowl or lose the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: or win the National Championship or not win the National

442
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Speaker 2: Championship or bad that was.

443
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Speaker 1: A bad call.

444
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Speaker 2: I love it, but it's the toy chest of life.

445
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: Unless you're on the team, own the team, or are

446
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Speaker 2: in some way directly compensated by the team, whoever wins

447
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: a championship doesn't probably change your life that much. But

448
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty during COVID, during BLM, when they tried

449
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: to put President Trump in prison for the rest of

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Speaker 2: his life life, that stuff really does matter. And so

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Speaker 2: I understood if you were out there and you were struggling,

452
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Speaker 2: and you just wanted to pay your mortgage, and you

453
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Speaker 2: just wanted to get your kids into school, and you

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Speaker 2: would get on social media and you would think, man,

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Speaker 2: I really want to say something. I bet a lot

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Speaker 2: of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot

457
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Speaker 2: of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram or maybe

458
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Speaker 2: even an email that you were thinking about sending inside

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Speaker 2: of your company, and then you hit delete because you said,

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Speaker 2: I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary

461
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion,

462
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Speaker 2: is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary.

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Speaker 2: So I understood why those people, why many of y'all

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Speaker 2: out there, I have been in this world before. I

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Speaker 2: understood why a lot of people hit delete. The people

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Speaker 2: that I still have a lot of contempt for are

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Speaker 2: the people who were fil rich, said they agreed with

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Speaker 2: everything that I said, and then never spoke out. Because

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with y'all. If you have fu money,

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Speaker 2: if you have money where you're never gonna have to

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Speaker 2: worry about paying a mortgage, you got a second home,

472
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Speaker 2: you got a third home, you got fancy cars, you

473
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Speaker 2: got kids that you can stroke a check for to

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Speaker 2: go to any college in the country. Your cowardice made

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00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: me sick, and I saw it everywhere. People who run companies,

476
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: people who never had to worry about anything, financially for

477
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Speaker 2: the rest of their life. They turned tail. They to

478
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: me were the biggest cowards because they were the kind

479
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: of people who said fire fire, Grant Napier for saying

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Speaker 2: all lives matter, every single one. And frankly, I'm never

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Speaker 2: going to forgive those people because a lot of them

482
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Speaker 2: now they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay we get a

483
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Speaker 2: tax cut. Boy, I'm glad Trump won. Where were you

484
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Speaker 2: when it mattered? I think about this all the time.

485
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Speaker 2: Where were you when there were consequences, when there were

486
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Speaker 2: cost when somebody might not set you on whatever flipping

487
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: charity board you're on. Where were you? You were a

488
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: yellow bellied coward. You let situations like Grant Napier happen everywhere,

489
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: and you didn't do a damn thing. So money is

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00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: only useful in the context of what it allows you

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Speaker 2: to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do.

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Speaker 2: There's a great line. This is why when everybody drafts

493
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: new quarterbacks, what they care about so much is how

494
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: much do you love what you do? Because as soon

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00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: as you get that fifty million dollar check, there's pretty

496
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations. If

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00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: you don't love what you're doing, money will make you

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Speaker 2: more of what you already are. If you are a

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Speaker 2: die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company, you

501
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: sign a fifty million dollar deal, you do the same

502
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: thing you were doing before you got the money. But

503
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: if you're the kind of person who looks around worries

504
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: all the time about what people are gonna say about you,

505
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: you become even more of a coward the more money

506
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: you get. And there are so many of those people

507
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: out there, and I think about them. The Grant Napier

508
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Speaker 2: story is a good one. Most of us are never

509
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Speaker 2: going to have billions of dollars. We're not going to

510
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: own radio stations, we're not going to own companies that

511
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: when they come to you with an employee sending a tweet,

512
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: it's your decision what to do. But a lot of

513
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: people had that. And now that Trump's in office, there

514
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 2: waving the pom poms and they're running around and they're cheering.

515
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't care who wants to celebrate after a victory.

516
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: I want to know who's going to be there when

517
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Speaker 2: you get your ass kicked because that's character, that's courage

518
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: and Grant Napier story. Oh, there's an awful lot of

519
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: people who will send you a text or make a

520
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: phone call and say, boy, I feel really bad for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that'll be you know, would be great. As if you

522
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Speaker 2: would say that public, well I can't do that, Well,

523
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: they might be mad at me. Then so many people

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Speaker 2: who knew better, and so many people who had the

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Speaker 2: resources to have nobody ever actually be able to do

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Speaker 2: anything to them. They were nowhere to be found when

527
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Speaker 2: it mattered most. And now guess what, you look up

528
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: and some of those people are some of the biggest

529
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: cheerleaders because Trump's back in office. Now, just remember it,

530
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: and remember how quickly those front runners will fade as

531
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Speaker 2: soon as somebody else is in power and as soon

532
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Speaker 2: as somebody else makes them a little bit uncomfortable and

533
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Speaker 2: requires any element of courage to speak out against what

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Speaker 2: they believe is wrong.

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Speaker 1: You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and

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00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 5: More marital experience here. I was not really aware of this,

538
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: and now I'm such a young man in the marriage

539
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: game when yeah, I'm a newbie into all this. Your

540
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 5: wife can look at you and be a little unhappy,

541
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 5: quite unhappy, quite sternly, and you can ask her, hey, honey,

542
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: what's going on. She said nothing, I'm fine, and you

543
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: say are you sure. She goes, I'm fine, and then

544
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 5: you know she's not fine, and then you say okay,

545
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 5: and then you try to like escape the situation, and

546
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 5: right before you leave the room, she goes, you know

547
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 5: what you did in my dream last night. Now the

548
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: answer to that is, of course no, but play I

549
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: did grow that you could be in trouble as husband

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Speaker 5: for whatever the wife has had a dream about.

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Speaker 2: All right, So here's the flip side. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: holding her accountable in any way or being angry for

553
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: her based on something that she did in your dream.

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Speaker 2: Has this happened at any point in your relationship that

555
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: you can remember so far?

556
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Speaker 4: No?

557
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Yes?

558
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: So do you think it's only I don't know because

560
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 5: I'm with no. But my understanding is these are the

561
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Speaker 5: rules of marriage. Like, wife is allowed to be annoyed

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: over morning coffee for at least a little bit if

563
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Speaker 5: you were naughty in the dream that she had, even

564
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Speaker 5: if she knows it was a dream. These are the rules.

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Speaker 5: I don't make the rules.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I get it. I'm just trying to think

567
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: why would women be able to get mad at their husbands?

568
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: But I'm just asking because I can't recall ever being

569
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Speaker 2: angry at my wife over something that she did in

570
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Speaker 2: my dream?

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Speaker 5: Right, has Laura ever been mad at you for what

572
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Speaker 5: you did in her dream?

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. We've been married for almost twenty

574
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Speaker 2: one years. I'm sure I've given her ample reasons to

575
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: be mad at me for many reasons, both awake and dreaming,

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Speaker 2: over those twenty one years. But I can't remember. But

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Speaker 2: it feels like probably yes is the answer. But it

578
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Speaker 2: is an interesting question because my point is if you

579
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Speaker 2: had been angry at her, I don't think it would

580
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Speaker 2: be accepted. No, of course not.

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Speaker 5: I'm a dude. We can't do that.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it acceptable the opposite direction? I think

583
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Speaker 2: it's an interesting question. I'm going to go downstairs and

584
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Speaker 2: ask you. Men and women are different, buddy.

585
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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 2: I do know