Speaker 1: M alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know fissures, Sophie. Was that is that how you start
Speaker 1: a podcast? I mean yeah, I mean technically, I mean
Speaker 1: this podcast did it. That was because normally, if I'm
Speaker 1: shouting a disease, it's gonna be like diphtheria or syphilis.
Speaker 1: That I decided to throw a wild card in this time. Um,
Speaker 1: although I could have given the topic today, it might
Speaker 1: have been appropriate to just shout Hitler, I mean where
Speaker 1: you were going, But then you didn't do it, and
Speaker 1: now I'm confused. Well, Hitler did have a lot of
Speaker 1: weird butt problems. So it's this is Behind the Bastards,
Speaker 1: a podcast where we talk about the worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history and the things behind them. In today's
Speaker 1: episode is one of the latter. My guest today is
Speaker 1: Langston Kerment from the Boys and from Insecure. Langston, how
Speaker 1: are you doing today? Oh? I'm fantastic And what an intro?
Speaker 1: What make the start? I love the way you start
Speaker 1: your show? This is fantastic. We're professionals here, Langston, And
Speaker 1: the way professionals open shows is by immediately before the
Speaker 1: show starts shouting out the name of a disease, illness,
Speaker 1: or just a totally shrieking um. Lankesons Lakes and has
Speaker 1: a podcast. I do have a podcast. That's true. It's
Speaker 1: it's about black people in our conspiracy theories. I rarely
Speaker 1: yell anal Fishers, but I'm learning a lot today and
Speaker 1: maybe that's something I'll incorporate. Linkston. One of my really
Speaker 1: good friends, Cody del Rosario, he texts me, He's like,
Speaker 1: You've got to listen to this podcast, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's your show, and I'm like, yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: on our network, and I will hell yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: Langston you you you just as you just said, you
Speaker 1: do a show about conspiracy theories. Um, and today we're
Speaker 1: talking about the conspiracy theory that kind of started all
Speaker 1: modern conspiracy theories. We're going back to the source, the
Speaker 1: the the origin point for like Q and on for
Speaker 1: like the n w oh, the Illuminati conspiracies, all of
Speaker 1: that ship, all that Bill Cooper's stuff starts with the
Speaker 1: subject of today's episode. We are talking about the protocols
Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion. Yeah you heard anything about that? No,
Speaker 1: But I just love a lot of fancy words strong together.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most influential pieces of dangerous
Speaker 1: conspiratorial nonsense ever created. It has gotten millions of people killed,
Speaker 1: like like like a death told that that your average
Speaker 1: dictator would struggle to or your average American president for
Speaker 1: that manner, we struggled struggle to match like this is.
Speaker 1: This thing has gotten so many real Jimmy Carter worth
Speaker 1: of numbers. I got you. I love the Jimmy Carter's
Speaker 1: your yard stick for a president. He gets a lot
Speaker 1: of people kill. The greatest murderer of all time, I
Speaker 1: would say, Jimmy Carter, history's greatest monster. Um. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can see in his eyes as he feverishly builds houses,
Speaker 1: he's just desperately trying to weigh down his debt to humanity,
Speaker 1: so boiling out of him. Uh So, as you're well aware,
Speaker 1: as all of our listeners are well aware, we live
Speaker 1: today in an age of conspiracies, real and theorized. I
Speaker 1: think about half of the country, uh probably about half
Speaker 1: of the world lives in a semi permanent state of
Speaker 1: conspiratorial obsession. And a lot of these folks are right,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, for example, there's a ton of black
Speaker 1: people today who remember personally what the FBI co intel
Speaker 1: pro like program did to the civil rights movement, the
Speaker 1: black There's people all over the Arab world and in
Speaker 1: Latin America who lost family members and lived in chains
Speaker 1: for decades because of conspiracies cooked up or funded by
Speaker 1: the CIA. A lot of people have been victims of
Speaker 1: real conspiracies. So when I say we live in a
Speaker 1: world of conspiracies, it's not all nonsense. Um, So I
Speaker 1: would say the great plague of our modern world isn't
Speaker 1: that a lot of people believe in conspiracies, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people have a good reason to. The thing
Speaker 1: that's slowly tearing our society apart, which is kind of
Speaker 1: perfectly embodied by Q and On in the terminal case
Speaker 1: of fascist brain worms that it spread the millions of
Speaker 1: Americans is something different. It's called conspiracism. This term was
Speaker 1: popularized by a scholar named Frank Mints in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: He defined conspiracism as belief in the primacy of conspiracies
Speaker 1: and the unfolding of history. In other words, the idea
Speaker 1: that conspiracies or a conspiracy is a moving the primary
Speaker 1: moving factor in the history of a nation of the world.
Speaker 1: That's conspiracism. It's demonstrably false because the vast majority of
Speaker 1: ship that happens happens pretty much out in the open. Right.
Speaker 1: There's all these different like like like with the with
Speaker 1: the case of like kind of white supremacy in the
Speaker 1: United States, there's a bunch of FBI conspiracies and stuff
Speaker 1: you can point to, But the history of white supremacy
Speaker 1: is mostly pretty open, like most of it's not really
Speaker 1: all that hidden. It's just like the way things fucking
Speaker 1: work and stuff. Um, But so you've got these real conspiracies.
Speaker 1: Conspiracism is believing that everything that happens is tied to
Speaker 1: a conspiracy in some way, as opposed to this then
Speaker 1: being kind fragments of the reality that we live in.
Speaker 1: As Frank Mintz wrote, conspiracism serves the needs of diverse
Speaker 1: political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites,
Speaker 1: blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that
Speaker 1: things will be better once popular action can remove them
Speaker 1: from positions of power. And I think that gets to
Speaker 1: the key difference between believing in conspiracies and conspiracism. If
Speaker 1: you understand like that the FBI and the CIA carry
Speaker 1: it out and still engage in a variety of conspiracies
Speaker 1: to funk up a bunch of things. You probably don't
Speaker 1: believe that just getting rid of one of those organizations
Speaker 1: will solve all of the world's problems. Like you'd be
Speaker 1: rad to get rid of the CIA and the FBI,
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't stop Turkey from ethnically cleansing the Kurds,
Speaker 1: or a year by jan by ethnically from ethnically cleansing Armenians.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't fix climate change overnight. It wouldn't stop our
Speaker 1: world from accelerating into an uninhabitable mess. Conspiracists believe it, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you get this conspiracy out of the way, Like
Speaker 1: that's the Q and on thing, right, if we can
Speaker 1: get rid of this cabal of evil child eating pedophiles
Speaker 1: to solve all of the world's problems, everything will be fair.
Speaker 1: We just have to solve this one. It's kind of
Speaker 1: an optimistic worldview when you really think about it, conspiracism
Speaker 1: because it believes that there's a magic bullet that can
Speaker 1: fix everything. So yeah, scholar, and you like, it's it's
Speaker 1: clear why conspiracism is particularly um attractive today. Because all
Speaker 1: of our problem we have so many problems, and they're
Speaker 1: all so complex, and they all like have tendrils not
Speaker 1: just into these different government organizations and different like cabals
Speaker 1: and whatnot, but they have all these tendrils into like
Speaker 1: just the way we live our lives. Right, it'd be
Speaker 1: nice if there was like one group of small one
Speaker 1: small group of evil men making climate change happen, But
Speaker 1: it's largely tied to the fact that we all kind
Speaker 1: of live the life that we live and we have
Speaker 1: all these systems that ensure that we're going to continue
Speaker 1: pumping carbon into the atmosphere and that's hard to fix.
Speaker 1: Like dope, if it was just like those some three
Speaker 1: dudes and you were just like, oh, you're fucking something
Speaker 1: all right, by yeah, yes, I And I maintained that
Speaker 1: it is three dudes, mostly so that I don't have
Speaker 1: to work on me, but that yeah, that's the personal work.
Speaker 1: But I'm ay, there's there's two, like there's the there's
Speaker 1: that like oh seven companies responsible for like the carbon emissions.
Speaker 1: Like that's true, but they're doing it because of the
Speaker 1: way we all because for example, we all need to
Speaker 1: drive a car because we for years like allowed fossil
Speaker 1: fuel companies to destroy any chance at functional public transport
Speaker 1: in a large chunk of the world, or like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, like you can tie a lot
Speaker 1: of emissions to Amazon, but Amazon is emitting because we
Speaker 1: all want our second day delivery and ship like there's
Speaker 1: it's it's all more complicated than just like Jeff Bezos
Speaker 1: bad he is, but a lot of a bunch of
Speaker 1: fruit leather the other day from Amazon. And I didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that. I didn't need that product. You
Speaker 1: wanted the fruit leather, and so you really wanted that
Speaker 1: fruit ye Did I need a hundred pieces of fruit leather?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. That's on me, Jeff. We all we all
Speaker 1: have our fruit leather in this discussion, you know, um
Speaker 1: yeah so. Scholars Seymour lip Set and Earl rob wrote
Speaker 1: that the typical conspiracy theory is international in scope, extends
Speaker 1: both in space and time, dates back in history, and
Speaker 1: is destined to endure forever. And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: separates an actual conspiracy. You know, you can look at
Speaker 1: real conspiracy like, okay, well, at this date, the c
Speaker 1: i A launched a plan to overthrow the democratically elected
Speaker 1: president of Guatemala and backed death squads and stuff, and
Speaker 1: like there's a beginning and an end and a scope,
Speaker 1: a limited scope to the conspiracy. A conspiracy theory, there's
Speaker 1: no limit. It goes on forever, It goes back in
Speaker 1: time forever, and it will never it will endure forever.
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, for example, believes in a globalist conspiracy that
Speaker 1: stretches literally back into prehistory. A small group of a
Speaker 1: few thousand insiders, depending on what day he's talking about it,
Speaker 1: have been working for a linear to enslave in the
Speaker 1: human race. Destroying these globalists will solve every problem that
Speaker 1: humans have. But an Alex's estimation, their precise member roster
Speaker 1: is always changing and their plans are always a out
Speaker 1: ten years away from completion. So like, no matter what
Speaker 1: you do, it's always there. It's always if you could
Speaker 1: just solve the problem, everything would be better, but you
Speaker 1: never do. That's a fucking conspiracy theory. And in the
Speaker 1: modern sense of the word. Key believers on the other hand,
Speaker 1: and to tie every problem of their lives and nationwide
Speaker 1: to this cabal that's fighting Donald Trump and magical combat
Speaker 1: and yeah, like it it links up with all these
Speaker 1: different ship We've talked about this a lot on the show.
Speaker 1: Historian Daniel Pipes laid out a short list of characteristics
Speaker 1: that virtually all conspiracy theories have in common. Power is
Speaker 1: the goal, benefit indicates control, Conspiracies drive history, nothing is
Speaker 1: accidental or foolish, and appearances deceived. Right. One of the
Speaker 1: big like key cat like tenants of Q and on
Speaker 1: is that there are no coincidences um. And part of
Speaker 1: this is just because like man, fucking wild ship happens
Speaker 1: in the world. You know, sometimes the Archduke of Austria
Speaker 1: Hungary is trying to get a sandwich or is what
Speaker 1: is like driving down the street and a guy at
Speaker 1: a sandwich shop shoots him and then twenty million people die,
Speaker 1: and that's just the way the fucking world goes. But conspiracy, no,
Speaker 1: it's got to be you know, this guy was a
Speaker 1: part of like he was a part of an organization,
Speaker 1: but it was like just a bunch of poor serbians.
Speaker 1: But they've got to imagine, no, it was part of this.
Speaker 1: There's people pulling the strings, the rothschilds needed it to happen,
Speaker 1: and like those babies in that pizza shop, yeah there's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just people talking about cheese, pizza. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be yeah. Nazism, as at its heart, was a conspiracist theology.
Speaker 1: All of Germany's problems could be laid at the feet
Speaker 1: of international Jewry, who are responsible not just for German
Speaker 1: defeat in World War One, but for the overthrow of
Speaker 1: the Czars and the establishment of the USSR. When the
Speaker 1: war turned against the Nazis, Hitler and his high command
Speaker 1: diverted crucial war resources towards fueling the extermination camps in
Speaker 1: the East, because eliminating the Jews was for them a
Speaker 1: military priority. Not all conspiracist beliefs center around the idea
Speaker 1: of an international Jewish conspiracy, but conspiracism itself has its
Speaker 1: origins intricately tied to anti Semitism, and in the most
Speaker 1: successful conspiracy theory ever made in human history, the Protocols
Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion. The concept of grand conspiracies
Speaker 1: is not particularly old, as these things go conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Grand conspiracy theories go back about nine hundred years and
Speaker 1: have only really become operational in the last two hundred years.
Speaker 1: The inciting incident for the birth of all modern grand
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories is the French Revolution. This makes sense when
Speaker 1: you really think about it. One of the world's great powers,
Speaker 1: the most powerful military force in the world at the time,
Speaker 1: the most established monarchy in the world, is overthrown seemingly
Speaker 1: overnight and replaced with a radical left wing government. Blood
Speaker 1: letting and chaos ensues. Many people felt the changes that
Speaker 1: swept France couldn't possibly have been the result of long
Speaker 1: simmering unrest in kingly incompetence. It couldn't be the king
Speaker 1: was dumb, he fucked up. People took their chance and
Speaker 1: they got lucky, and things just worked out and they
Speaker 1: overthrew the government. It couldn't be that. It has to
Speaker 1: be some some cabal was plotting this, And unfortunately for
Speaker 1: just a whole lot of people, the birth of modern
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories happened to very neatly coincide with something else,
Speaker 1: the birth of modern anti semitism. So these two things
Speaker 1: are really happening right at the same time. When I
Speaker 1: talk about modern anti semitism, not just talking about like
Speaker 1: it's it's what is the difference between racism and anti semitism.
Speaker 1: Anti Semitism is a type of racism, but not all people,
Speaker 1: not all different groups of people have the same thing
Speaker 1: that that Jewish people go through with anti Semitism, which
Speaker 1: is anti Semitism isn't just bigotry against Jewish people, it's
Speaker 1: belief that they control the entire world. Right, That's not
Speaker 1: a thing that is universal in racism. It's a thing
Speaker 1: that it exists beyond that, but like that's a specific thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with Black people, they're never worried we're in charge. They're
Speaker 1: pretty confident we are not. I think they're a little
Speaker 1: worried Lebron might be in charge, but everybody else they're
Speaker 1: like pretty certain we ain't got ship. Whereas Jewish people,
Speaker 1: they're real worried about being Lebron is in charge. And
Speaker 1: I hope so, I mean, god, that would be comforting, um,
Speaker 1: because he's good, big strong arms, that beautiful. It would
Speaker 1: just be nice to know that the person in charge
Speaker 1: of the world had at least a talent. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: you've got one skill, maybe he has other skill. This
Speaker 1: will be fun. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's not going
Speaker 1: to bomb anybody. I've so comforted by that that future
Speaker 1: for us, Yeah, just just Lebron James. The only bombs
Speaker 1: he drops are basketballs. That would be nice. Did you
Speaker 1: just try to do a sports reference? I mean I did,
Speaker 1: I did my best. Really painful for me. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean I'm brought of you for knowing
Speaker 1: Lebron's last name. Yes, yeah, I mean I do live
Speaker 1: in the world and he does run it. So it's
Speaker 1: one of the things that's hard to miss. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: anti Semitism like and kind of the modern sense of
Speaker 1: the word. And we talk academically a lot of times
Speaker 1: to day if you're just if you're racist again Jewish people,
Speaker 1: that's anti semitism, and it is. But when we talk
Speaker 1: about it academically, we're talking about not just racism, but
Speaker 1: the theory that the Jews control everything, right, like that
Speaker 1: that conspiratorial belief that doesn't go back forever. Um. There's Again,
Speaker 1: racism against Jewish people has a long history. You can
Speaker 1: find Romans like Cicero talking about Jewish gold and Roman
Speaker 1: poets like Juvenal decrying Jews is drunken and misbehaved. But
Speaker 1: the bigotry on display by these guys, these Romans is
Speaker 1: the same kind of bigotry they had about everyone who
Speaker 1: wasn't Roman, right, Like, you can find them saying the
Speaker 1: same ship about Carthagenians and stuff. The ancient Romans burnt
Speaker 1: down Jerusalem, but they didn't do it because they believe
Speaker 1: there was a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world. That
Speaker 1: were angry that Jewish people didn't worship the emperor, and
Speaker 1: we're you know it was it was. It was imperial ship.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a belief in some sort of conspiracy.
Speaker 1: They burned it down and they said, this isn't personal, fellas,
Speaker 1: this is this is what we do. We're the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: We burned down a lot of cities and that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna last a thousand years. Please don't think this
Speaker 1: is about your religious beliefs. This has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that. I mean a little bit, but yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't think you're pulling the strings. We're pulling the strings
Speaker 1: were the Roman Empire. Yeah, early Christians spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time vilifying Jewish thinkers, and this is kind of
Speaker 1: where the roots of anti Semitism go back. This was
Speaker 1: due partly to the fact that in the early days
Speaker 1: of Christianity, most people who and most people weren't Christians
Speaker 1: just saw it as like a kind of Judaism, right, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've got Christian Jews are kind of the same thing,
Speaker 1: Like they like Christian and Jewish people don't see it
Speaker 1: that way, but like Roman Pagans are like, well they're
Speaker 1: all they're all the same. They all believe there's just
Speaker 1: one God, like a bunch of lunatics. Um yeah so um. Christians,
Speaker 1: early Christians wanted to differentiate themselves from Jewish people, and
Speaker 1: one way to do that was by attacking Judaism, an
Speaker 1: early Christian apologist, which is like a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: a hype man for Christianity, Like he's there trying to
Speaker 1: drum up interest in the religion. Justin was maybe the
Speaker 1: first Christian to claim that Jewish people had quote killed
Speaker 1: the Christ and Justin is the origin of the like
Speaker 1: the Jews killed Jesus thing, right, that Mel Gibson movie
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, I love that his name is Justin.
Speaker 1: That's great. That just another Justin fucking ship up for everybody. First,
Speaker 1: Justin really showed up. Justin the martyr just was a
Speaker 1: piece of ship, right, thanks Justin. At least it wasn't
Speaker 1: a chet and he's one of the kind Justin you know,
Speaker 1: we we sure do. Justin was followed in sort of
Speaker 1: weaving the bones of anti Semitism by a guy called
Speaker 1: Tertullian who was one of the fathers of the Christian Church.
Speaker 1: Tertullian called synagogues fountains of persecution. Now, these stereotypes is
Speaker 1: Jewish people as rebels who rejected Jesus and persecuted Christians
Speaker 1: evolved over the decades and centuries as Christianity went from
Speaker 1: kind of a fringe cult to the dominant religion of
Speaker 1: the Western world. And these the bigotry shaped the attitudes
Speaker 1: of a lot of medieval Christian communities towards the Jewish diaspora.
Speaker 1: There were programs and massacres inspired by these beliefs. In
Speaker 1: eleven ninety at least a hundred and fifty Jewish people
Speaker 1: were massacred in the town of York, and twelve ninety
Speaker 1: Jews were exposed in mass from England and an act
Speaker 1: of ethnic cleansing, one that was followed by France and
Speaker 1: thirteen o six in Spain in fourteen ninety two. In
Speaker 1: fifteen forty three, Martin Luther called the Church in Rome
Speaker 1: the devils Synagogue and derided Catholic Orthodoxy as Jewish in
Speaker 1: his Greed. We don't talking about how racist Martin Luther
Speaker 1: was so Jewish, These Jewish Catholics, they only talk about
Speaker 1: how nice that dude was. And he was a piece
Speaker 1: of ship, massive piece of ship. Wrote a whole book
Speaker 1: about how he didn't like Jewish people. Real bad guy.
Speaker 1: I never I never trusted his air cut. So for
Speaker 1: me it was a no from the start. But I've
Speaker 1: only heard good news, and this is bad news on
Speaker 1: the whole Martin different news. You're bad news about a
Speaker 1: couple of people in this it was well again, the
Speaker 1: Holocaust really changed a lot of this because after the
Speaker 1: Holocaust people started feeling some shame for saying bigger than
Speaker 1: things about Jewish people in public. Um. But man, everybody
Speaker 1: was racist against Jewish people right up until that moment. Right.
Speaker 1: There's these There are a couple of big myths in Christendom.
Speaker 1: One of them was the idea of like the blood
Speaker 1: Passover is how it's referred to, which is that rabbis
Speaker 1: kidnapped Jewish babies and use their blood to make like
Speaker 1: mats of bread basically like to celebrate the Passover. And
Speaker 1: the other and you'll see there are churches in Europe
Speaker 1: today with stained glass reliefs of rabbi's killing Christians like
Speaker 1: to this day are still up like that they refused
Speaker 1: to take down or like that or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to these churches. Yeah, it's one of those
Speaker 1: things like when it's often framed because of how kind
Speaker 1: of rapidly society changed after the Holocaust, it's often from
Speaker 1: it's like the Germans drummed all of this hatred up.
Speaker 1: No they didn't. It went back. There were ethnic cleansings
Speaker 1: in every country in Europe against the Jews and the
Speaker 1: centuries prior to the Holocaust. You know, it's a yeah
Speaker 1: and the the yes. And the other big myth is
Speaker 1: the judent sow, which is like a pig, that is,
Speaker 1: Jewish babies are suckling at its breasts. And you'll see this.
Speaker 1: There are stained glass reliefs of Jewish babies like nursing
Speaker 1: from pigs in the great old cathedrals of Europe. It's
Speaker 1: deeply woven in the history of Christianity, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it, so what really said? But again,
Speaker 1: this these aren't conspiracy. There's conspiracies about like yeah, Rabbi's
Speaker 1: murdering kids and stuff like that, but there's not nobody's
Speaker 1: talking about Jews running the world. Right, there's this idea
Speaker 1: these are aliens that are missed. They're dangerous because they're different.
Speaker 1: There's not this idea that like, there's the secret masters
Speaker 1: of the universe. That really got started after the French
Speaker 1: Revolution in the seventeen hundreds UM. When the French Revolution hit,
Speaker 1: conspiracies were immediately woven to lay blame for it on
Speaker 1: the Jews. A couple of years after the revolution, Edmund
Speaker 1: Burke published a manifesto on the French Revolution where he
Speaker 1: declared the revolutionaries jew brokers and old Julie. Now this
Speaker 1: is one of history's great ironies because you have seen
Speaker 1: a quote from Edmund Burke, if you've watched documentaries about
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, if you've watched documentaries about the Nazis, there's
Speaker 1: a specific Edmund Burke quote that shows up fucking concept
Speaker 1: I probably saw a hundred times as a kid. The
Speaker 1: quote is the only thing necessary for the triumph of
Speaker 1: evil is for good men to do nothing. And that
Speaker 1: is often used in and like Holocaust documentaries and the
Speaker 1: never again since is that like, if only good people
Speaker 1: had done something, we could have stopped this. And the
Speaker 1: people who used that quote, I don't think generally know
Speaker 1: that Edmund Burke helped found modern anti Semitism. They don't
Speaker 1: know that he wasn't including Jews, and that he was
Speaker 1: not is like, listen, good men should do something, not
Speaker 1: you Jews, stay out of it. You're not good people.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the field you get from Mr Burke. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, his Burke's attitude towards the French Revolution is
Speaker 1: very similar to Adolf Hitler's attitude towards the Russian Revolution
Speaker 1: because Hitler blamed it on Judeo Bolshevik's that was always
Speaker 1: the term he would use. They're the same, it's the
Speaker 1: same basic idea. Right, this cataclysm has changed Europe forever.
Speaker 1: This dynasty has been swept from power. It can't just
Speaker 1: have been because they were shipped and they made people angry.
Speaker 1: It has to be the Jews, you know. Um. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the fact that the idea that Jewish people had been
Speaker 1: pulling the strings was not the only or even the
Speaker 1: most prominent conspiracy theory in the wake of the French Revolution.
Speaker 1: In seven of French Jesuit named Abbe Borrowell wrote a
Speaker 1: treatise blaming the revolution on a cabal of Freemason's Barrow
Speaker 1: was a reactionary, one of the French aristocrats who opposed
Speaker 1: the revolution because it took his friends stuff. His argument
Speaker 1: was nonsense, since many of the nobles who had been
Speaker 1: massacred in the French Revolution had been Freemasons themselves. It
Speaker 1: was not like a poor dude thing. But there were
Speaker 1: a lot of conspiracies about the Masons um and Borrowell
Speaker 1: did not initially blame Jewish people for the revolution. He
Speaker 1: just thought the Freemasons did it. But he's got this
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory out that the Freemasons were behind it. Guys
Speaker 1: like Burke are blaming it on Jewish people. And both
Speaker 1: of these conspiracy theories starts circulating at the same time,
Speaker 1: which meant the two were bound to cross pollinate. Now,
Speaker 1: it's worth noting that throughout this period, Jewish communities lived
Speaker 1: very much on the margins of most European communities. They
Speaker 1: were legally second or even third class citizens in most countries.
Speaker 1: As historian Richard Levy writes, quote, Jews living in European
Speaker 1: lands and in those parts of the world where Europeans
Speaker 1: settled had gradually become a pariah people. The embodiment of
Speaker 1: evil instincts, a false religion, and inferior physical traits. Until
Speaker 1: the late eighteenth century, with few exceptions, they lived apart,
Speaker 1: wrapped in their own self sufficient religious culture, subject to
Speaker 1: severe legal disabilities, special taxes, occasion expulsion, and outbursts of
Speaker 1: popular fury. Although much on the minds of other people's,
Speaker 1: Jews were left for them to themselves. For long periods.
Speaker 1: Their only connection to the larger societies in which they
Speaker 1: lived was in the economic sphere, where a few amassed
Speaker 1: legendary fortunes while the great majority pursued marginal, obnoxious occupations
Speaker 1: such as money lending, peddling, rent collecting, and tavern keeping.
Speaker 1: There was segregation against Jewish people in a lot of hear.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do certain jobs. You weren't allowed in public,
Speaker 1: you couldn't join the army, you couldn't do all of
Speaker 1: the things that Christians could do. One of the few
Speaker 1: things Jewish people were allowed to do was lend money,
Speaker 1: which is where like this, the idea of the Jewish
Speaker 1: banker comes from us that and this is the same
Speaker 1: thing when in Islamic society you're not allowed to charge
Speaker 1: interest if you're like an Islamic banker. So in both
Speaker 1: Christian Christendom and and the Muslim world. A lot of
Speaker 1: banking is done by Jewish people because that's all they're
Speaker 1: allowed to do. Like, you haven't given us any other option.
Speaker 1: What the funk else are we supposed to do? You know,
Speaker 1: you took away every other job here we are, and
Speaker 1: then you made fun of us for it and built
Speaker 1: a big old conspiracy experience. Yeah, you can't win with
Speaker 1: you know, racism um tale as old as time. Um.
Speaker 1: So as the modern world came into building being and
Speaker 1: secularism went vogue among intellectuals, some of the prescriptions against
Speaker 1: Jewish people started. The fake Christianity stop stops being like
Speaker 1: dominant in government, And a lot of reasonable people are like, well,
Speaker 1: why are we restricting Jewish people If we're not we
Speaker 1: don't govern based on Christianity. We shouldn't oppress these people
Speaker 1: just for being Jewish. And so campaigns for emancipation started
Speaker 1: to pick up in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds, and
Speaker 1: these are these are campaigns by Jewish people and their
Speaker 1: allies for equal rights under the law. A lot of
Speaker 1: this was driven by the French Revolution because in the
Speaker 1: French Revolution, after the king was overthrown. Jewish people gained
Speaker 1: on paper at least equal rights. It didn't really work
Speaker 1: out that way, as it never does with emancipation campaigns,
Speaker 1: but things got a lot better for them. And this
Speaker 1: is part of why guys like Edwin Edmund Burke were
Speaker 1: so certain that Jews were behind the whole thing. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a revolution, a lot of prescription and and and
Speaker 1: laws against Jewish people doing stuff are repealed. Of course
Speaker 1: it must have been them that orchestrated it, because they benefited. Right,
Speaker 1: It's a key aspect of conspiracism. You see a group
Speaker 1: that benefits, you assume they caused the thing. Um, it's
Speaker 1: the way human brains work, I guess. In seventeen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: when the National Assembly of France approved the Declaration of
Speaker 1: Rights of Man and Citizen, one prominent French representative called
Speaker 1: upon his fellow citizens to acknowledge Jews as free French citizens.
Speaker 1: He argued that they were do everything any other citizen
Speaker 1: was doe, which sounds great, but then he went on
Speaker 1: to say this Jews should be given everything as individuals
Speaker 1: and nothing as a nation. Basically, I like a few
Speaker 1: of these guys, Yeah, I just don't like him as
Speaker 1: a group. Yeah, exactly, I'm fine with Jewish people as
Speaker 1: individuals were all humans. Their religion is bad and they
Speaker 1: need to give it up to integrate into society. That's
Speaker 1: what he's saying, right, Like, you, as long as you assimilate,
Speaker 1: then you get equal rights. If you continue to be Jewish,
Speaker 1: then I'm not cool with you. And this was very
Speaker 1: common among like I guess what you'd call the woke
Speaker 1: left at the time, that like, we shouldn't restrict Jewish
Speaker 1: people from doing anything, but they should stop being Jewish.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a common idea. Just come on, we
Speaker 1: like us, we love you if you do everything we
Speaker 1: do and never argue with us again. A story that
Speaker 1: has never been repeated in history. So a major move
Speaker 1: towards the mass emancipation of your European Jews came courtesy
Speaker 1: of a guy you might not suspect, Napoleon Bonaparte. He's
Speaker 1: actually a huge figure in Jewish emancipation in the early
Speaker 1: days of his empire. He was. One of the things
Speaker 1: that made him noteworthy is he welcomed Jewish men into
Speaker 1: his army as soldiers, which was not done in a
Speaker 1: lot of Europe. He was like because and this. He
Speaker 1: wasn't doing this because he was particularly woke or a
Speaker 1: good person. He was doing this because, like you're a
Speaker 1: body's a body people to die for me. You guys
Speaker 1: die just as do Jewish people respond the same to
Speaker 1: getting shot as white. Bring it in, you Jewish dude,
Speaker 1: stand in front of me, Stand in front of me.
Speaker 1: I've got a good feeling about you. I don't care
Speaker 1: what you believe as long as you hold a gun
Speaker 1: for me. You know. That's that's Napoleon's attitude. Um And again,
Speaker 1: he's not doing this because he's a nice man. But
Speaker 1: it has really a positive impact on a lot of
Speaker 1: Jewish communities in Europe because Napoleon conquers fucking everything. When
Speaker 1: his armies conquered the city of Padua in Italy, they
Speaker 1: knocked down the walls of that city's ghetto, basically to
Speaker 1: say that like this, your restrictions, like you, your your
Speaker 1: life a second class citizens is over. We're destroying the
Speaker 1: wall that separates you from the wet rest of society,
Speaker 1: which is a huge moment for Italian Jews, right like
Speaker 1: Italian Jewish people who had been oppressed for centuries see
Speaker 1: French Jews carrying guns, giving orders and liberating them from bondage.
Speaker 1: It's a big fucking moment, and a Messianic fervor begins
Speaker 1: to sweep through Europe, which is this idea. You know,
Speaker 1: Jewish people are still waiting for the Messiah, right like
Speaker 1: that's this He's He's going to come, He's going to come.
Speaker 1: A lot of them become convinced in this period that
Speaker 1: Napoleon's coming was a sign that the Messiah is about
Speaker 1: to come. Napoleon was sent by God to liberate us
Speaker 1: and our our time of our time of struggle and
Speaker 1: trial is almost over. Boy, they you're a little off
Speaker 1: on that one, little bit off on that one. This
Speaker 1: only feels like when Suge Knight went to the source
Speaker 1: rewards and told everybody to come to death row. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's yeah, he's offering an alternative option,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be good for anybody. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of Italian Jewish historians compare
Speaker 1: Suge Knight to the It's it's an extremely common uh.
Speaker 1: Like Sugar Knight, Napoleon was shot twice at the VMA.
Speaker 1: Like Knight, Napoleon ran a dude over with this car
Speaker 1: and then back over the guy again. Glad he did. Comparison,
Speaker 1: you know who else is a lot like Suge Knight.
Speaker 1: We're supported by suge Knight this podcast. Right, he backs us,
Speaker 1: it doesn't he backs us, He goes forward, he backs
Speaker 1: us again, and we're back. Uh, we're back, and we're
Speaker 1: just appreciating Night and Napoleon too, two dudes just racking
Speaker 1: up the WS at this point, both of them have
Speaker 1: a fall from grace, right, Napoleon and Shug both end
Speaker 1: up in prison. I stand behind my comparison. I think
Speaker 1: it is a good one. They both did really well
Speaker 1: and then not well at all immediately after. If you
Speaker 1: could bridge the language gap between them, I actually do
Speaker 1: think they would probably have gotten all. All empire builders
Speaker 1: are the same kind of do you know? Uh so yeah.
Speaker 1: Jewish people, as a result of Napoleon's kind of liberate,
Speaker 1: liberatory rhetoric and the fact that like he really does
Speaker 1: improve things for Jewish people in his empire, start to
Speaker 1: feel like the Messianic period is here, We're about to
Speaker 1: be freed. And for a few years you can see
Speaker 1: why they felt that way. Between eighteen o eight and
Speaker 1: eighteen fifteen, Napoleon's conquest of warsaw led to a mass
Speaker 1: liberation of Polish shoes, who overnight received full civil rights
Speaker 1: for the first time in their history. There were even
Speaker 1: whispers during the Egyptian campaign that Napoleon meant to reconquer
Speaker 1: the Holy Land for diaspora Jews and rebuild the Temple
Speaker 1: in Jerusalem. The Napoleon went meant nothing of the sort.
Speaker 1: He was never going to get. Napoleon give land to people.
Speaker 1: You have misunderstood Napoleon, sir, But he recognized the propaganda
Speaker 1: value in what he was doing, especially since the Jewish
Speaker 1: community all throughout Europe, in the countries he's going to
Speaker 1: war with, if I can get these people on my side,
Speaker 1: if I can get them to think I'm going to
Speaker 1: liberate them, maybe they will back me when I fight
Speaker 1: their governments. You know, it's this, it's this, This is
Speaker 1: it's a smart thing to do if you're a guy
Speaker 1: like Napoleon. It's the thing the British Empire does all
Speaker 1: throughout theory as they control. As you find these different groups,
Speaker 1: these like marginalized groups in the countries that you're trying
Speaker 1: to conquer, and you support them against the people they have,
Speaker 1: you know, an issue with and that that's a good
Speaker 1: that's if you're a conqueror coming in, it's a smart
Speaker 1: thing to do. Well. It's the sad part is governments
Speaker 1: are never nice to everyone, and so subsequently some dude
Speaker 1: coming in looking to take over is gonna find some
Speaker 1: folks that are pretty unhappy with the way things have
Speaker 1: been going this entire time. Yes, exactly. So. Napoleon in
Speaker 1: reality was number one, pretty racist against Jewish people. He
Speaker 1: was just better than the king had been. Um, and
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't. He was like these guys we
Speaker 1: were talking about, these early French revolutionaries. He he thought
Speaker 1: Jewish people had equal rights. He didn't think they had
Speaker 1: the right to be Jewish. Um. He wanted them to
Speaker 1: join secular French culture. He actually called a meeting of
Speaker 1: this like Jewish religious congress, the san Hedrin, that hadn't
Speaker 1: met in centuries. And they think that he's calling the
Speaker 1: meeting to be like, you know, it's time, you know,
Speaker 1: the Messianic periods here, like I'm going to liberate like
Speaker 1: your homeland for you and take you back. That's what
Speaker 1: they think is happening. Napoleon is basically going to force
Speaker 1: all these Jewish representatives to vote that their loyal frenchmen
Speaker 1: who will fight for him. You know, that's what he
Speaker 1: wants to do, is he wants to get he wants
Speaker 1: to like he's running a show, vote to like get
Speaker 1: all of these people on his side. Uh. And his
Speaker 1: in reality, a lot of what he did for Jewish
Speaker 1: people was really shitty. One of the things he did
Speaker 1: was he canceled all debts owed by Christians to Jews.
Speaker 1: And he didn't only do that, but he legally punished
Speaker 1: all Jewish people in the French Empire by burdening them
Speaker 1: with a communal debt to Christians that they had to repay. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's wrong that you were doing the only job we
Speaker 1: let you do and you owe all Christians money in
Speaker 1: order to pay back, like the like the loans and
Speaker 1: stuff that you like. It's really it's it's bad. He's
Speaker 1: he's he's I mean, he's so he canceled Christian debt
Speaker 1: and then put that debt on Jewish people. Yeah, basically, yes,
Speaker 1: he's he's he I mean, he's Napoleon. He wasn't a
Speaker 1: good guy, you know. Um. And what was more fucked up?
Speaker 1: The really the most toxic aspect of this because even
Speaker 1: with that and even with that taken into account, life
Speaker 1: got a lot better for Jewish people under Napoleon. Um.
Speaker 1: What was most fucked up about what Napoleon did was
Speaker 1: the way that his enemies reacted to his supposed pro
Speaker 1: Jewish leanings. See Napoleon went to war with basically everybody.
Speaker 1: The rulers of Europe knew that all of these Jewish
Speaker 1: communities in their countries were talking about how the Messiah
Speaker 1: was nigh and Napoleon had been sent to free them,
Speaker 1: and they responded with a propaganda blitz that tried tied
Speaker 1: the dreaded Napoleon to the untrustworthy Jews trying to tear
Speaker 1: down the old order of Europe for their own nefarious ends.
Speaker 1: One of these propagandists was Abbe Borrowell, who did initially
Speaker 1: blame the French Revolution on Freemasons, but in eighteen oh
Speaker 1: six he started circulating a forged letter, probably sent to
Speaker 1: him by members of the state police, who resented Napoleon's
Speaker 1: liberal attitude towards the Jews. The Jewish Virtual Library writes
Speaker 1: that this letter quote called attention to the alleged part
Speaker 1: of the Jews and the conspiracy that he had earlier
Speaker 1: attributed to the Mason's. This myth than international Jewish conspiracy
Speaker 1: reappeared later on in nineteenth century Europe in places such
Speaker 1: as Germany and Poland. So this is where this this
Speaker 1: is where this myth starts. Right, is this guy who
Speaker 1: had first blamed the revolution on the Freemasons. He sees
Speaker 1: Napoleon doing some nice stuff for Jewish people. He loops
Speaker 1: the minute that conspiracy the Jews and the Freemason's overthrew
Speaker 1: the king of France, and now they're trying to destroy
Speaker 1: the order in Europe. That's how this evolves. Now, the
Speaker 1: group in Europe who most dove into this new conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: where the Czars of Russia their empire had a massive
Speaker 1: downtrodden Jewish population. Um. There there had been massive genocides
Speaker 1: and both Poland and Russia against the Jews for for
Speaker 1: centuries at this point, including one the Calumnisty massacre in
Speaker 1: eastern Poland that killed like three quarters of a million people. Um,
Speaker 1: just like really really bad stuff. So obviously the Czars
Speaker 1: have reason to be worried that these people aren't loyal
Speaker 1: because they've been killing them. Yeah, you think I remember
Speaker 1: what we did, right, And they're worried because Napoleon's coming
Speaker 1: for them where they think it. I mean he did eventually,
Speaker 1: but they think at the time he's coming for them. Right.
Speaker 1: He's been beating his way through the Germans, which were
Speaker 1: kind of our bulwark against France, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be in our territory soon enough. In eighteen oh six,
Speaker 1: they launched an unprecedented propaganda blitz that would somewhat inadvertently
Speaker 1: create the basic ideas of modern anti Semitism. The whole
Speaker 1: effort represented a massive propaganda reversal for Russia, who needed
Speaker 1: both to justify an alliance with their ancestral enemies Prussia,
Speaker 1: and also introduced a new enemy, the alien evil lurking
Speaker 1: within preparing to tear the kind tread down. The culmination
Speaker 1: of this work was a mass produced propaganda pamphlet called
Speaker 1: The Appeal. And I'm going to quote now from an
Speaker 1: essay written by Johanna Petrovsky stern quote. The document climaxes
Speaker 1: with the entry of the Jews and the expansion of
Speaker 1: the Jewish theme. Outwitted by a cutting Napoleon and disappointed
Speaker 1: by only partial emancipation, the gullibal Jews of Napoleonic France
Speaker 1: are portrayed as perfidious accomplices of France and true friends
Speaker 1: of Bonaparte, a Satan who insolently revolted against the Holy
Speaker 1: of Holies, the embodiment of absolute evil. Napoleon Bonaparte convened
Speaker 1: the Jewish synagogues in France, demanding and insulting public homage
Speaker 1: to the rabbis. He established a new Jewish Sanhedrin, which
Speaker 1: the Russian document saw as the same godless institution which
Speaker 1: in its time conspicuously contemned our condemned our Lord and
Speaker 1: the Savior Jesus Christ to the cross. Napoleon maintained. The
Speaker 1: appeal attended intended to unify the Jews, whom divine rage
Speaker 1: dispersed throughout the land, and most importantly, to proclaim Napoleon
Speaker 1: a false Messiah. And the Jews, those alleged haters of Christ,
Speaker 1: were more than eager to assist Napoleon in his infamy.
Speaker 1: So the real focus of this propaganda is still on Napoleon,
Speaker 1: but it's trying. This is like the first real document
Speaker 1: that throws all of this together, all this stuff that
Speaker 1: becomes modern anti Semitism. It's it's so strange that they're
Speaker 1: both Uh, he's both calling them idiots and like these
Speaker 1: sort of like powerful figures in this whole thing. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're big dumb idiots, but we watch out for him
Speaker 1: because they're super dangerous. I mean, it's this thing. It's
Speaker 1: particular in anti Semitism, but you see it always in conspiracies.
Speaker 1: The enemy is simultaneously all powerful and incompetent. You know,
Speaker 1: like it's dumb enough that like you're able to like
Speaker 1: he doesn't like they can't stop us, they can't stop
Speaker 1: us from what we're doing, but also like they control everything.
Speaker 1: It's the thing you see. You know, I keep going
Speaker 1: back to Alex Jones, but he's a good modern example. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's the thing with like Q and on where
Speaker 1: the conspiracy is is worldwide. But also everyone has ten
Speaker 1: steps behind Donald Trump, the perfect genius. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: Biden can't read, but he also is somehow running this
Speaker 1: cabal andy and taking down their great savior. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it never makes much sense, is the point. The
Speaker 1: Tsars wrote this appeal um, but it didn't stay like
Speaker 1: the official propaganda line for long because right after it
Speaker 1: gets published, Napoleon signs a peace treaty with Russia. The
Speaker 1: Czar's backpedal and they issue like a new pro France
Speaker 1: propaganda campaign to try to get everyone on board with
Speaker 1: the fact that now we're friendly with France. And obviously
Speaker 1: this this doesn't last. They eventually go to war. But
Speaker 1: the government abandons this anti Semitic line of attack almost
Speaker 1: as soon as they began it. But the appeal made
Speaker 1: a terrible impact during its brief period of circulation. Russia
Speaker 1: had always been a land of pagrams, and distrust of
Speaker 1: Jewish communities ran deep. The appeal had provided a justification
Speaker 1: for violence and confiscation of Jewish property. It was an
Speaker 1: act of self defense against an embedded alien in and
Speaker 1: so the appeal gives all these people who had always
Speaker 1: been violent to Jews a justification for why they're defending
Speaker 1: themselves by carrying out these proms. Independent newspapers started printing
Speaker 1: their own follow ups to the appeal, imitating its key motif,
Speaker 1: the idea of a vast Jewish conspiracy against the Russian people.
Speaker 1: For the first quarter of the nineteenth century, Russian literature
Speaker 1: increasingly depicted Jews differently from European literature. Russian literary scholar
Speaker 1: Mikael Weisskopf writes, already in the eighteen twenties it becomes
Speaker 1: visible in Russian prose and the idea of a secret
Speaker 1: Jewish government which, together with other evil powers, is participating
Speaker 1: in a plot against all humanity. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: appeal is a virus, right, and once it gets out,
Speaker 1: it starts to spread throughout Russia, throughout like the Russian
Speaker 1: intellectual community, and it becomes by the eighteen twenties, it's
Speaker 1: all throughout their fiction, it's all throughout their literature, this
Speaker 1: idea of a vast Jewish conspiracy. It's broken containment, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not in control of the czars anymore. Um, and
Speaker 1: it it doesn't stay trapped in Russia. We see variants
Speaker 1: arising throughout the rest of Europe in the mid eighteen twenties.
Speaker 1: A good example of of of kind of one variant
Speaker 1: of this that's it's different from what's happening in Russia,
Speaker 1: but it has similar roots. Is the kind of anti
Speaker 1: Semitism that you saw expressed by Karl Marx. Despite having
Speaker 1: Jewish ancestry himself, Marx's early career involved some pretty rough claims.
Speaker 1: This is his early career but there's some bad stuff
Speaker 1: in here. In eighteen forty three, he blamed the existence
Speaker 1: of modern capitalism on the Judaism, of Judaizing the Jews,
Speaker 1: you know, on Christian society being made more Jewish. Carl,
Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you always a reference.
Speaker 1: That's a good guy. Why Carl. He was right about
Speaker 1: a lot not um. He was wrong about stuff too,
Speaker 1: He wrote a lot. You know, we were all rooting
Speaker 1: for you, Carl. That's yeah, It's it's so common though.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing if you look at like a
Speaker 1: out of the founding intellectual minds of modern anarchism, guys
Speaker 1: like Kropotkin and and prude Han super anti Semitic, really
Speaker 1: really racist, like because just because everyone it was very
Speaker 1: like all of Christendom was really bigoted against Jewish people.
Speaker 1: Was extremely common. It seems like it's like the one
Speaker 1: thing that can kind of bring everybody together at this
Speaker 1: point is just like, well, we all hate Jews, right,
Speaker 1: That's why the Nazis picket. You know, you find the
Speaker 1: common enemy, and you rarely everyone around them, even though
Speaker 1: the enemy is actually has no power and isn't responsible
Speaker 1: for problems. It's just it's what works um. And again
Speaker 1: with Marx, we see because kind of this Russian propaganda
Speaker 1: hasn't reached to England yet. Where he's writing, Marx is
Speaker 1: more in kind of line with these those old French revolutionaries.
Speaker 1: He doesn't hate Jewish people, he doesn't like the Jewish religion, right.
Speaker 1: He thinks that in his ideal society, Jewish people will
Speaker 1: emancipate themselves by giving up Judaism, right. Um. And he's
Speaker 1: not a fan of like Christianity in particular either, but
Speaker 1: he believes that Jewish people are like they're they're they're
Speaker 1: Religiou and his capitalists, so they have to give it
Speaker 1: up in order to like become part of the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. In eighty four, Marx wrote an essay
Speaker 1: with the deeply Unfortunate title on the Jewish Question. He's
Speaker 1: not the only one using this phrase, like, that's why
Speaker 1: Hitler uses it, right, it is called that by a
Speaker 1: lot of people. And the Jewish question is what do
Speaker 1: we do with Jewish people? And of course the answer
Speaker 1: is never listened to. Let him, just let him do
Speaker 1: their thing, Just let's bite them over and have a
Speaker 1: nice brunch. I don't know, maybe stop being shitty to him,
Speaker 1: but no, that's never the answer. Uh. In this pamphlet
Speaker 1: he described the Jewish religion as huckstering and the Jewish
Speaker 1: God as money. He had concluded that, in the final analysis,
Speaker 1: the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind
Speaker 1: from Judaism. And again this sounds extermination. Is he's not
Speaker 1: saying that, He's saying the emancive mankind will be emancipated
Speaker 1: when they give up their religion. Right, we want the people,
Speaker 1: we don't want their faith, which isn't good. But it's
Speaker 1: different from like the Nazi arguments that you're going to
Speaker 1: year later. This is kind of the standard liberal line
Speaker 1: at this point in time in history. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: interesting you'll see people declare Marks anti semitic over this,
Speaker 1: and Marx was again had Jewish ancestry. But one of
Speaker 1: the people who will disagree with the claim that Mark
Speaker 1: santy semitic is Jonathan Sachs, chief Rabbi of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: And Sax's argument is simple. The word anti Semitism didn't
Speaker 1: exist when Marx wrote his essay, and the bigotry he
Speaker 1: expressed in that essay was against a religion. It did
Speaker 1: not have a racial component, and he did not believe
Speaker 1: in a conspiracy of Jewish people. Marx was bigoted against
Speaker 1: the Jewish faith, but he didn't see there being He
Speaker 1: didn't think Jewish people were inherently involved in a plot.
Speaker 1: The building strains of Russian anti Semitism hadn't crossed over
Speaker 1: into the West yet, and so the utterly commonplace bigotry
Speaker 1: against Judaism that Marx expressed hadn't been cross pollinated with
Speaker 1: conspiracism yet. That process wouldn't really get underway until the
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds. The actual word anti Semitism was popularized
Speaker 1: by a German journalist named Bill hell Mar in eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine. Now mar was an anti semit He's the
Speaker 1: guy who came up with the word. You know, like
Speaker 1: you're high on the list. He wasn't pointing it out
Speaker 1: in someone else. It was like, no, this is what
Speaker 1: I am. We would have a word for the shitty
Speaker 1: stuff I think there as awesome as me. You need
Speaker 1: a title, You need a title. So Mark coined the
Speaker 1: term in an unhinged screed he wrote titled the Victory
Speaker 1: of Jewelry over Germandom. That was about what you'd expect.
Speaker 1: It to be about and has some real Nazi strains
Speaker 1: in it. You know, you can draw an electric line
Speaker 1: from Mar to the death camps. Uh. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that's interesting about mars bigotry and about the
Speaker 1: idea of anti Semitism that he crafts, is that his
Speaker 1: hatred of Jewish people was not based in Christianity because
Speaker 1: he was secular, right, He didn't. He didn't hate Jewish
Speaker 1: people because he thought they were responsible for killing Jesus.
Speaker 1: He rejected myths about the ritual murder of Christian babies
Speaker 1: by rabbis. Instead, according to an article in The Conversation,
Speaker 1: quote he do on the fashionable theories of the French
Speaker 1: academic Ernst Rennen, who viewed history as a world shaping
Speaker 1: contest between Jewish Semites and Aryan Indo Europeans. Mar suggested
Speaker 1: that the Jewish threat to Germany was racial. He said
Speaker 1: that it was born of their immutable and destructive nature,
Speaker 1: their tribal peculiarities and alien essence. Yeah, he was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not falling for any of that previous propaganda. I
Speaker 1: know they're not suckling at pigs. I know they're not.
Speaker 1: Their religion is fine. I don't like them at their core,
Speaker 1: their essence is what's broken in them. You don't understand.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you where the other racists fall short.
Speaker 1: You guys are so focused on the book. Forget the book.
Speaker 1: It's in their it's in their spirits, it's in their blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. Like he He really is a terrible
Speaker 1: man um And one of the things that's so dangerous
Speaker 1: about guys like Mark, guys like Ranan, is that their
Speaker 1: bigotry isn't based in like provincial, like religious stuff. They're
Speaker 1: not like bunch of old hillbillies who are superstitious against
Speaker 1: the Jews. Their intellectuals, their secular and their hatred of
Speaker 1: Jewish people. Their anti semitism is gets is intellectually respectable.
Speaker 1: They get articles published in journals, scholars have to debate
Speaker 1: their racism. And that's a big step forward. This isn't
Speaker 1: you know, Because the world secularizing, we're leaving the old
Speaker 1: bigotries in the past. And Mark finds a way to
Speaker 1: be like, we don't have to leave this in the past.
Speaker 1: I've modernized it. Yeah, this iPhone got an update, and
Speaker 1: this iPhone got an update. Yeah, no planned obsolescence for racism.
Speaker 1: Now One thing we've seen throughout the last couple of
Speaker 1: decades of history that we've been covering today is that
Speaker 1: all of the stages of this growth and anti Jewish
Speaker 1: sentiment where a reaction to emancipation right, which again we
Speaker 1: see this throughout history. This oppressed, marginalized group starts to
Speaker 1: get equal rights. They don't even get them. They start
Speaker 1: to get them, they start to agitate for them, and
Speaker 1: people who are oppressing them freak the funk out that
Speaker 1: this is a plot against the oppressors. In Russia's case,
Speaker 1: it was a panic that Jewish communities might back Napoleon
Speaker 1: in a coming war. Marx's essay on the Jewish Question
Speaker 1: was a reaction to the growing emancipation movements across Europe.
Speaker 1: Raanan and mar were both trying to stop Jewish integration
Speaker 1: into Christian civilization. This happened throughout the Christian world. As
Speaker 1: Richard Levy writes, quote, only after Jews had begun to
Speaker 1: emerge from their isolation did anti Semitism begin to surface
Speaker 1: in Europe. Instead of episodic repression and violence followed by
Speaker 1: decades of calm, anti Semites endeavored to make persecution of
Speaker 1: the Jews permanent, convinced that Jews had already gathered enormous power,
Speaker 1: and that, as one pamphlet of the time put it,
Speaker 1: the victory of Jewry was imminent. Anti Semites determined that
Speaker 1: constant struggle against the enemy was an absolute necessity for
Speaker 1: the survival of Christian civilization. They founded political parties, voluntary associations, newspapers,
Speaker 1: and periodicals to this end. In the last quarter of
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, the word anti Semitism expressed a new
Speaker 1: way of dealing with the problem of the Jews. So
Speaker 1: when the old days, in the medieval period, right when
Speaker 1: Christianity dominates everything, it's enough to just be racist against
Speaker 1: the Jews. It's enough to just be bigger, it's enough
Speaker 1: to just to share myths about them eating babies. When
Speaker 1: the world modernizes and Jewish people start to integrate with society,
Speaker 1: that's where bigotry isn't enough, because biggotry isn't modern. What
Speaker 1: you need is a theory that there's a war. We're
Speaker 1: engaged in a battle with the Jews. They're trying to
Speaker 1: take over our society. These these campaigns for equal rights.
Speaker 1: They're fighting to oppress us. And that's that's modern, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can. You can have that in a scientific
Speaker 1: industrial society. They're managing the hate just fine. We have
Speaker 1: to create some sort of like hidden extra layer to
Speaker 1: this bad boy, exactly exactly. And while Marx is proof
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of anti Jewish bigotry on
Speaker 1: the left, the vast majority of the growing anti Semitic
Speaker 1: movement was conservative in nature. This was due in part
Speaker 1: to the fact that as Jews gained political rights, most
Speaker 1: of them wound up as liberals or social lists, because
Speaker 1: those were the movements most effectively fighting for the emancipation
Speaker 1: of all people. You know, like a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of Jewish political activists in this period, because they're oppressed,
Speaker 1: understand the oppression of other groups and fight to liberate them,
Speaker 1: and fight not just like racial groups, like liberate the
Speaker 1: poor and stuff um. And the reactionary right sees this
Speaker 1: and they fold anti Semitism into their propaganda against socialists.
Speaker 1: And this brings us once again to Czarist Russia. The
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds were also a period of increasing left
Speaker 1: wing resistance to the Czarist dictatorship. The People's Will a
Speaker 1: left wing political organization we might call accelerationist terrorists, although
Speaker 1: I think they were rad embarked on a campaign of
Speaker 1: direct violence aimed at destroying the Czarist regime. This culminated
Speaker 1: with their successful assassination by bomb of Czar Alexander the
Speaker 1: Second in eighteen eighty one. They just blew him up.
Speaker 1: They threw a bomb at his carriage and exploded him. No,
Speaker 1: he had guys with them. They sunk up a lot
Speaker 1: of people like it's it's a big old thing, you know.
Speaker 1: And there were there had been a do you know
Speaker 1: who else would be very into that? You know who
Speaker 1: else would assassinate the Czar of Russia? Our sponsor Raytheon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yes they would, so, yes they would. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If there's one sponsor of ours that's good at assassinating zars,
Speaker 1: it's Ray You could really draw directly. The people's will
Speaker 1: is just a precursor of Raytheon. They couldn't shoot knife
Speaker 1: out of the sky from drones, so a guy had
Speaker 1: to throw a big, comical spherical bomb carriage. But it's
Speaker 1: in Raytheon's d n a. That's why their motto is Raytheon,
Speaker 1: fuck the Czar. Here's products all right. So a bunch
Speaker 1: of Russian revolutionaries in this period, a lot of the
Speaker 1: people who were trying to overthrow the czar were Jewish
Speaker 1: men and women. And this was both because a lot
Speaker 1: of Jewish people were heavily represented in socialist movements at
Speaker 1: this period and also because the Tsars had massacred Jewish
Speaker 1: people for centuries. You know, it makes sense again, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly on the pro murdering the czar side of things.
Speaker 1: In case people are curious, they are terrorists. This is terrorism.
Speaker 1: They're just justified. You know, if you live under Azar,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I'm down with it. There their their chair
Speaker 1: backwards to to you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So the waves of anarchists and socialist terrorist text and
Speaker 1: a lot of these terrorists in this period and Russia
Speaker 1: are anarchists, right. This is idea from a coun and
Speaker 1: of propaganda of the deed. The best propaganda is like
Speaker 1: killing the fucking cs are like, we don't want a czar.
Speaker 1: What is the best way we can tell people we
Speaker 1: don't want the czar? What if we kill him? Um?
Speaker 1: And I think the people's will was kind of more
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, I'm not an expert on this.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't know if it would be
Speaker 1: right to call him anarchists, definitely left wing and socialist
Speaker 1: e um. But they killed Thizar, and this freaks the
Speaker 1: funk out of the government. Right, So there's, as you
Speaker 1: would expect, in the wake of the head of state
Speaker 1: being killed, this massive wave of repression, of repression not
Speaker 1: just against the actual group that had killed Thizar, but
Speaker 1: against anyone doing socialist organizing in Russia. And there is
Speaker 1: this kind of unhinged panic among Russian conservatives that there's
Speaker 1: a that there's a conspiracy not just to kill Bisarre,
Speaker 1: but to overthrow the government, which there is. But they
Speaker 1: convinced themselves not that this is happening, because we're terrible
Speaker 1: at ruling Russia and we've oppressed people horrifically, and they
Speaker 1: have good reason to want to overthrow the government. They're
Speaker 1: convinced it's the Jews, right, because this propaganda started circulating
Speaker 1: in eighteen o six, Right, this has been going on
Speaker 1: for a while, this idea that there's a conspiracy to
Speaker 1: destroy our government and it's the Jews behind it. Now,
Speaker 1: for some context, this is a bloody period in Russian history,
Speaker 1: not compared to modern Russian history, but compared to I
Speaker 1: don't know. Most places, about seventeen thousand people are killed
Speaker 1: or wounded in terrorist attacks and less twenty years of
Speaker 1: the Russian Empire, there is a lot of violence. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: like some bad ship going on. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: a time of tremendous upheaval and rapid change. Zar Alexander
Speaker 1: the Second, before his death, had freed the serfs, right,
Speaker 1: So like Russia is industrializing rapidly, they d served them.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of political changes. There's also all this
Speaker 1: terrorism and violence. There's these military defeats and crimea and
Speaker 1: again against Japan. And as we discussed at the top
Speaker 1: of the episode, when things are changing rapidly, when people,
Speaker 1: particularly conservatives, feel like they don't have any solid ground
Speaker 1: beneath their feet, that's the kind of situation in which
Speaker 1: conspiracism really breeds most effectively, because you need something to
Speaker 1: explain it. You don't want to think that like, well,
Speaker 1: all of these economic and social forces have come together
Speaker 1: to cause rapid change and unrest, and we need to
Speaker 1: adapt to it. No, no, no, there's an evil cobal
Speaker 1: responsible for everything I don't understand, and if we can
Speaker 1: kill them, we'll solve all of our problems. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to believe that the world just played out the
Speaker 1: way that it played out and you got fucked, So
Speaker 1: it's easier to like blame a specific party for you
Speaker 1: getting fucked. Yeah, yeah, And it's it's a story as
Speaker 1: at least a couple of hundred years old. And this
Speaker 1: brings me finally to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Speaker 1: We had a long prologue this episode. So most people
Speaker 1: who write about the protocols, and we'll talk about exactly
Speaker 1: what they say in a little bit. Most people who
Speaker 1: write about them will authoritatively state that they were created
Speaker 1: initially by the Acrona, which was the Czarist secret police.
Speaker 1: This the Acrona are like the precursor to the Gestapo
Speaker 1: and the KGB, even like the FBI and the CIA.
Speaker 1: You could argue they're one of the very first like
Speaker 1: secret services, and their whole job is to keep the
Speaker 1: Czarre in power. Right, They infiltrate We're supposed to infiltrate
Speaker 1: left wing movements. We're supposed to stop assassination attempts, were
Speaker 1: supposed to stop people from changing the order. So I
Speaker 1: will say everyone says any article you read is gonna
Speaker 1: say like the Acrona created the Protocols of the Elders
Speaker 1: of Zion. They probably did, but there's zero conclusive evidence
Speaker 1: that they did. History Rians who know this ship heavily
Speaker 1: debate the origin of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Speaker 1: We do not have a comprehensive, utterly proven example for
Speaker 1: like why they were made in the first place. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a chain of custody you can tell kind of
Speaker 1: like how they evolved over time. We don't know at
Speaker 1: whose order they were crafted or if they were anyone,
Speaker 1: So that's just not that's not clear. I'll attached an
Speaker 1: article by a great historian who kind of breaks down why.
Speaker 1: Because there's a famous comic book about the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion by a great Jewish m Stanley Siegel.
Speaker 1: I think it was um, a great Jewish comic book artist,
Speaker 1: and it's a good comic. It gets a lot of
Speaker 1: historical details about the people who we know were involved
Speaker 1: in the creation of the protocols. Wrong, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of myths about them. Again, the protocols are a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories arise to explain how they came
Speaker 1: into being. There's a lot of disinformation out there that said,
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, the Acrona are the most likely culprit for
Speaker 1: the creation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Speaker 1: If they didn't make it or order its creation, they
Speaker 1: certainly had a major hand in its early distribution. But
Speaker 1: before we talk about how the protocol spread, I should
Speaker 1: explain precisely what they are. In short, the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion are a fake document that purports
Speaker 1: to be the minutes of a meeting of the global
Speaker 1: Jewish conspiracy to destroy Christianity. It's yeah, right, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: we had this meeting to talk about our evil world
Speaker 1: dominations games, and we wrote it down case like you
Speaker 1: might not have been able to make the meeting. We
Speaker 1: gotta get you know, right back the minutes for me
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the minutes of our
Speaker 1: plan to destroy civilization. Yes, very funny that you would
Speaker 1: think it works that way, Um, but yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of how this is framed, I am. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of the document has written not just as minutes,
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of, oh, you missed the meeting,
Speaker 1: but you're a part of this organization. This will get
Speaker 1: you up to speed on our plan destroy Christianity. You know,
Speaker 1: like it's so like you were on vacation the week
Speaker 1: we had the Global Conspiracy Conference. Take a look at this, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Anybody who missed the reading, it's all available here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you fell asleep during the meeting, We get it. It
Speaker 1: goes on a while. Here's the minute. It will be
Speaker 1: good enough for a book report, but you'll at least
Speaker 1: be caught up. You you can find the quote separately,
Speaker 1: but everything else is in there. It's very funny. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not funny. Millions die, um, but it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's patently ridiculous, right any reasonable person. Of course,
Speaker 1: if there's a grand world conspiracy, they don't just have
Speaker 1: a document that says, here's what we're doing. But this
Speaker 1: is a lot we talk about in our Bill Cooper episode,
Speaker 1: A bunch of Bill Cooper's conspiracy theories were based on
Speaker 1: leaked military documents talking about their plans to destroy the world,
Speaker 1: Like as if that would get written down. Um, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read huge excerpts from the Protocols
Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion for obvious reasons, but it's
Speaker 1: necessary to read some pieces of it so you can
Speaker 1: understand how the arguments in it were framed. Here's how
Speaker 1: it opens, according to a nineteen seventy edition of the
Speaker 1: Protocols based on an Eard twentieth century British translation. Quote
Speaker 1: protocol is from Protocol number one. If there's like a
Speaker 1: bunch of them right lines and might, freedom and idea
Speaker 1: only liberalism, gold, faith, self government, despotism of capital, the
Speaker 1: internal foe, the mob, anarchy, politics versus morals, the right
Speaker 1: of the strong, the invincibility of jew Masonic authority in
Speaker 1: justifies means, the mob a blind man, political abc, party discord,
Speaker 1: most satisfactory form of rule, despotism, alcohol, classicism, corruption, principles
Speaker 1: and rules of the Jewish Masonic government, Terror, liberty, equality
Speaker 1: and fraternity, principle of dynastic rule, annihilation of the privileges
Speaker 1: of the goy aristocracy i e. Non jew As if
Speaker 1: they need to write that in them right like you
Speaker 1: got like, I should remind you that the words that
Speaker 1: we use um Putting aside fine phrases, we shall speak
Speaker 1: of the significance of each thought by comparisons and deductions.
Speaker 1: We shall throw light upon surrounding facts. What I am
Speaker 1: about to set forth, then, is our system from the
Speaker 1: two points of view, that of ourselves and that of
Speaker 1: the goyum i e. Non Jews. They keep putting that
Speaker 1: in there, hoping that they were going to end that
Speaker 1: list by we didn't start the fire. That might be
Speaker 1: a cover of Billy Joe. We don't need um. It
Speaker 1: must be noted that men with bad instincts are in
Speaker 1: more number than the good, and therefore the best results
Speaker 1: in governing them from them are attained by violence and terrorization,
Speaker 1: not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power. Everyone
Speaker 1: would like to become a dictator if only he could.
Speaker 1: And where indeed are the men who would not be
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake
Speaker 1: of securing their own welfare. What has restrained the beats
Speaker 1: of prey, the beasts of prey who are called men?
Speaker 1: What has served their guidance hitherto? In the beginning of
Speaker 1: the structure of society they were subjected to brutal and
Speaker 1: blind force, afterwards to law, which is the same force
Speaker 1: only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law
Speaker 1: of nature right lies in force. So the author of
Speaker 1: the document, who was a rabbi standing in for the
Speaker 1: whole Jewish conspiracy, argues that because people are dumb and evil,
Speaker 1: they should be ruled, and of course they should be
Speaker 1: ruled by the Jews. The rest of the document goes
Speaker 1: on to propose ways to do this. It claims that
Speaker 1: for centuries, the white world was governed by a mix
Speaker 1: of the Church and monarchs, and as long as the
Speaker 1: Church and monarchs were in power, the Jewish conspiracy couldn't succeed.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first half of that was like a
Speaker 1: Trump tweet, just like keywords, it's nuns and they're all different.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different editions of the protocols. They're
Speaker 1: all a little bit different. This is the only one
Speaker 1: I found that has that weird little yeah, like Trump
Speaker 1: tweets at the start of it. So the fake author
Speaker 1: of this fake document continues to argue that the Jewish conspiracy,
Speaker 1: in order to get off the ground, had to destroy
Speaker 1: faith in religion. So secularism and socialism were invented by
Speaker 1: Jews to destroy the church because the Church was standing
Speaker 1: in their way of power. After they got rid of
Speaker 1: the church, they had to overthrow the crowned heads of
Speaker 1: Europe because the kings are the least protection people had
Speaker 1: from the conspiracy the fine and this is again, this
Speaker 1: is why he gets drawn into the French Revolution, Right,
Speaker 1: the French Revolution is bad because they got rid of
Speaker 1: the king. The Jews got rid of the king because
Speaker 1: the king was standing in the way of them succeeding.
Speaker 1: One of the protocols are really pro monarchist document right,
Speaker 1: like if we just had kings, everything would be better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think those uh, those bloodlines are the thing that
Speaker 1: we need to hold closest and cherish the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's line up our our our city
Speaker 1: based off of incests babies, let's do that. Just some
Speaker 1: cousins with weird arms that that's who we need in charge.
Speaker 1: There's a conspiracy to destroy our freedom, so we have
Speaker 1: to have kings. It's not it doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense when you think about it. Um. So. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first version of the Protocols came out around eight
Speaker 1: nineties six, so they were largely talking about the end
Speaker 1: of the French monarchy in this like that. That was
Speaker 1: the the initial thing that the protocols are focused around
Speaker 1: the monarchs have been overthrown. That's the big problem. And
Speaker 1: the protocols are basically a roadmap purportedly written during this
Speaker 1: convention laying out the plan to conquer and govern the world.
Speaker 1: I'll give a brief summary. Protocol one is to break
Speaker 1: down the national power of non Jewish states by fomenting
Speaker 1: internal revolutions. Appeals to class hatred or key to this,
Speaker 1: i e. Socialists are doing the work of Jewish people
Speaker 1: by convincing the poor that the richer fucking them over right,
Speaker 1: poor people would be happy with their lot in life
Speaker 1: if it weren't for this conspiracy. If only these socialists
Speaker 1: were convincing that their lives suck, they'd be happy, and
Speaker 1: then our nation would be strong. Uh. These internal revolutions
Speaker 1: would be fomented by having Jewish agents convinced groups of
Speaker 1: people to agitate for liberty, equality and fraternity. If you remember, liberty, egality,
Speaker 1: and fraternity are like that was the motto of the
Speaker 1: French Revolution, Like, that's what we're fighting for, is we
Speaker 1: want to all be equal citizens under the law, as
Speaker 1: opposed to having like a king and a class of
Speaker 1: nobles who rule over us. And the argument of the protocol,
Speaker 1: so that this is a Jewish conspiracy because people aren't
Speaker 1: equal and liberty is a bad idea. It's just a
Speaker 1: it's just a plot in order to make our government's
Speaker 1: weaker so the Jews can take over UM. Again, it's
Speaker 1: a shitty argument by bad people who think that having
Speaker 1: a ZAR is the best thing you could possibly you
Speaker 1: could possibly have. UM And the basic idea is that
Speaker 1: the Jews are behind a global campaign for equal rights,
Speaker 1: which are evil. Autocratic governments are weakened by this, first
Speaker 1: by liberalism, then by socialism, and finally by anarchy. The
Speaker 1: second protocol was that all law all wars would be
Speaker 1: shifted to an economic basis, ensuring that territorial advantages for
Speaker 1: one side or the other didn't really happen. Basically, the
Speaker 1: author of this book took thee by then obvious fact
Speaker 1: that economics one wars and use that to claim that
Speaker 1: the way conflict work and worked in industrialized society was
Speaker 1: the fault of the Jews, because like they they control
Speaker 1: the economy, so wars aren't like noble and good anymore.
Speaker 1: They're just like these these industrial butcheries because of the Jews. UM.
Speaker 1: Next is the strengthening of Jewish international rights i e. Emancipation,
Speaker 1: which the author claims comes at the expense of gentiles,
Speaker 1: because that's their argument. Racists always make right. The the
Speaker 1: idea is that like part of their conspiracy is agitating
Speaker 1: for equal rights, because if they have equal rights, then
Speaker 1: Christians have less rights. That's that's a huge part of
Speaker 1: this document. And there's other ship. Right, there's a slid
Speaker 1: math that's math is checking out for me. I'm over
Speaker 1: here calculating that makes perfect. It's the same argument that
Speaker 1: powerful groups always make, you know, um in the face
Speaker 1: of an oppressed group agitating for more equal rights. And
Speaker 1: there's other ships in there. They argue that like alcohol
Speaker 1: was introduced by Jewish people to like numb the minds
Speaker 1: of Christians, like race poisons all this Nazi Sian it's
Speaker 1: a lot of Nazi ship you know um, And it's
Speaker 1: it's very basic. Today, there's a million conspiracies, not all
Speaker 1: of which are on their surface anti Semitic. That's have
Speaker 1: this the same bay thing, right, there's this conspiracy they're
Speaker 1: they're weakening your minds with television and with popular music
Speaker 1: and with drugs and alcohols that you don't notice that
Speaker 1: you're being controlled by this evil cabal. And most of
Speaker 1: the people who believe that do believe that call is
Speaker 1: the Jews, but they don't say it anymore usually, right,
Speaker 1: um now, in the late eighteen hundreds, this idea was revolutionary.
Speaker 1: This is the first conspiracy theory like this, right, it's
Speaker 1: the father of them all. And the fact that the
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds were a period of calamitous wars that
Speaker 1: led to economic collapse in the fall of several governments,
Speaker 1: including the Czarist monarchy, convinced a lot of people that
Speaker 1: the Protocols had been perfectly accurate. In the years after
Speaker 1: World War One, a growing core of conspiracists would would claim,
Speaker 1: we know the Protocols are real because everything they predicted
Speaker 1: is coming true. I actually found a nineteen twenty edition
Speaker 1: of the Protocols that argues a remarkable similarity between the
Speaker 1: protocols and acts of the Bolshevik government, which it claims
Speaker 1: is under the control of Jewish leaders. And it's true
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of Jewish Bolsheviks, but you'll
Speaker 1: notice the guy who wound up in charge of the
Speaker 1: U s SSR was Joseph Stalin, who was not at
Speaker 1: all Jewish, and in fact j Staal's chief rival for
Speaker 1: power was a Jewish Man, Leon Trotsky, who he forced
Speaker 1: into exile and then assassinated when like he had a
Speaker 1: guy stabbed him to death with an ice pick in Mexico. Like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's a pretty boss story. Ramon Mercat is
Speaker 1: the name of the guy who killed Trotsky. Jesus, that's
Speaker 1: not a nice assassination at all that I mean, it's Stalin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Stalin. Stalin better than I guess Hitler when it
Speaker 1: comes to treating Jewish communities. Not great on treating Jewish community,
Speaker 1: like in uss are a rough deal for Jewish people.
Speaker 1: During Stalin's air including like near the end of his life,
Speaker 1: became convinced that a cabal of Jewish doctors were planning
Speaker 1: his assassination, which is why he didn't have any when
Speaker 1: he had his stroke. There was no medical aid because
Speaker 1: he purged all of these doctors because he was afraid
Speaker 1: of a Jewish conspiracy. The idea that the USSR was
Speaker 1: like Jewish, it's just nonsense. It's completely a historical um.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of suffering of Jewish people under
Speaker 1: Stalin's government, you know anyway, So I just I just
Speaker 1: like your low bar, you're like better than Hitler, Like really,
Speaker 1: I The sad thing is when you're talking about like
Speaker 1: that particular war, Stalin does look a lot better because
Speaker 1: he's standing next to Hitler. You know, it's he's a
Speaker 1: real Beyonce next to Michelle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I do also looks better because he was handsome, and
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of similarities between Beyonce and Stalin.
Speaker 1: We've all talked about this a lot off this. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know who, you know who. I've noticed a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities between Stalin and is Conan O'Brien because Stalin
Speaker 1: big lover of pranks, huge lover of pranks. Conan O'Brien,
Speaker 1: legendary prankster. Just reading this is completely off topic. But
Speaker 1: there's this amazing thing that there's actually nobody named Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 1: What do you mean what she's saying, he pronounced whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: Robert likes to mispronounce very famous people's names and doesn't
Speaker 1: realize he's doing it and then gets roasted. No one
Speaker 1: for everybody. Now, I think we have to accept that
Speaker 1: no one knows how he existed so long ago. No
Speaker 1: one can tell it's like Latin. We don't know how
Speaker 1: it was pronounced. It was so far in the past,
Speaker 1: famed late night shows. Scholars have their theories about how
Speaker 1: his name was pronounced, but no one knows for certain.
Speaker 1: Um anyway, look up Conan's history of this conversation. Yeah
Speaker 1: we did, Sophie, and I just said. Scholars Scholars debate
Speaker 1: like the origin, like like the origin of the Protocols
Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion. Scholars still debate his the
Speaker 1: pronunciation of his name. Yeah, you know, it's true. Hanging
Speaker 1: out with your favorite singer Arianna grand Sophie, it's pronounced grande. Oh,
Speaker 1: good to know. I know you missed these things a
Speaker 1: lot because you're not keyed in the pop culture like
Speaker 1: I am. All right, So the Protocols were written well
Speaker 1: ahead of the fall of the Czarist government. Um, but
Speaker 1: they were written about the fall of another monarchy. And
Speaker 1: so a lot of the stuff written about the French
Speaker 1: Revolution sounded like it was talking about the Russian Revolution. Right.
Speaker 1: This book is about how the Jews are going to
Speaker 1: overthrow kings. They're writing about something that had already happened
Speaker 1: in blaming it on the Jews. Then there's another revolution
Speaker 1: that overthrows the Tsar of Russia, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people see like, oh, this is proof the protocols are true, right,
Speaker 1: everything that they've predicted is coming true. Look like this
Speaker 1: is the only reason people would want to overthrow the Czar,
Speaker 1: not that he got them into a war that killed
Speaker 1: eight million people. Um, it must just be the Jews
Speaker 1: are tried to invade Germany and got his ass kicked
Speaker 1: in one of the most epic beat downs in military history.
Speaker 1: After getting his ass kicked by the Japanese and another
Speaker 1: one of the most epic beat downs in military history.
Speaker 1: It's not that the Czar had his soldiers fire on
Speaker 1: crowds of people protesting for bread. It was it was
Speaker 1: it was the Jews. No other reason to want the
Speaker 1: Czar out anyway, not a pro Csar podcast, I do apologize,
Speaker 1: so yeah, Now, the actual facts of world history did
Speaker 1: not matter in the least. The people of the early
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds were living and dying through the greatest war
Speaker 1: in history, a terrible plague that killed millions right after
Speaker 1: the war, and the collapse of the largest land empire
Speaker 1: on Earth, Russia. The Russian Empire is like a seventh
Speaker 1: of the world's land mass, like it's fucking huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we don't talk like Russia fucking big big, big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big big country. And suddenly, you know, in the twenties
Speaker 1: or in late teens, early twenties, it's just this massive
Speaker 1: pile of people murdering each other. The Russian Revolution is
Speaker 1: horrifically bloody. Um. And it just the the entire period
Speaker 1: of time up to, during and after World War One
Speaker 1: is just this, this period of violent chaos that hopefully
Speaker 1: we will never see the like of again, right unless
Speaker 1: it happens next month. So the fact that all everything
Speaker 1: was falling apart seemed to be explained by the protocols,
Speaker 1: and millions of people bought into them. Now the reality
Speaker 1: is that the Protocols of the Elders of Giant Zion
Speaker 1: wasn't just a forgery. It was an act of plagiarism.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just an act of plagiarism. It was
Speaker 1: an act of plagiarism of an act of plagiarism. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's meta. I'm gonna I'm gonna read again
Speaker 1: from the Jewish Virtual Library here quote the direct predecessor
Speaker 1: of the protocols can be found in the pamphlet Dialogues
Speaker 1: in a Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, published by the
Speaker 1: non Jewish French satirist Maurice Jolie in eighteen sixty four.
Speaker 1: In his dialogues, which make no mention of the Jews,
Speaker 1: Jolie attacked the political ambitions of the Emperor Napoleon the
Speaker 1: Third using the imagery of a diabolical plot in Hell.
Speaker 1: The dialogues were caught by French authorities soon after their publication,
Speaker 1: and Jolie was tried and sentenced to prison for his pamphlet.
Speaker 1: Jolie's Dialogues, while intended as a political satire, soon fell
Speaker 1: into the hands of a German anti Semite named Herman Getch,
Speaker 1: writing under the name of Sir John Retcliffe. Getch was
Speaker 1: a postal clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret Police.
Speaker 1: He had been forced to leave the postal work due
Speaker 1: to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution against
Speaker 1: the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck. In eighteen forty nine, Getch
Speaker 1: adapted Jolie's dialogues into a mythical tale of a Jewish
Speaker 1: conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled Barets,
Speaker 1: which appeared in eighteen sixty eight. In a chapter called
Speaker 1: the Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives
Speaker 1: of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, he spends the fantasy
Speaker 1: of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight
Speaker 1: and whose purpose is to review the past hun of
Speaker 1: years and make plans for the next century. So this
Speaker 1: satirist writes a book like throwing shade on fucking Napoleon
Speaker 1: the Third and like he frames it as a dialogue
Speaker 1: between these two dead guys, but he's yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: gets sentenced to prison for this, and it probably was
Speaker 1: a pretty good joke, right, And a German secret policeman
Speaker 1: finds his dialogue and writes it into an anti Semitic
Speaker 1: novel about a Jewish conspiracy because he thinks that like
Speaker 1: the wording of the dialogue, which this guy had meant
Speaker 1: to be about like how the King of France is
Speaker 1: power hungry, he makes it about how the Jews are
Speaker 1: trying to seize power. Um, so that happens. Now, The
Speaker 1: most plausible theory for the origin of the Protocols as
Speaker 1: we know them is that get getches novels, which are
Speaker 1: again a plagiarism, wound up in Russia. They were translated
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy two, and in eighteen ninety one a
Speaker 1: new edition was published and the Council of Representatives meeting
Speaker 1: in Prague were con solidated under the name Rabbi's Speech.
Speaker 1: So the whole dialogue between Monscuieu and um Machiavelli is
Speaker 1: like put in the mouth of a rabbi. This translation
Speaker 1: probably wound up in the hands of the Okrana and
Speaker 1: and specifically the Okranna in France, because they have fourign offices,
Speaker 1: just like the CIA and the Acrona. See a used
Speaker 1: for this when the dry Fuss affair convulses France from
Speaker 1: eight eight now we talked about Dreyfus in detail during
Speaker 1: Behind the Insurrections. The short of it is that he
Speaker 1: was a Jewish French military officer falsely accused of selling
Speaker 1: secrets to the Germans. After France's defeat in eighteen seventy,
Speaker 1: the case became a massive culture war issue in France.
Speaker 1: Dreyfus was acquitted, but the whole period spawned a bunch
Speaker 1: of fringe newsletters that blamed French defeat on this Jewish man.
Speaker 1: At the time, Russia was allied with Germany and France
Speaker 1: was her enemy. The same story we saw in eighteen
Speaker 1: o six repeated itself. The Czarre secret police created the
Speaker 1: protocols in order to pop up his conservative stances against
Speaker 1: a wave of liberal sympathy that kept pushing for warm
Speaker 1: Since many prominent liberals were Jewish and nice, anti Semitic
Speaker 1: conspiracy would help to divide the left, to make regular
Speaker 1: Russians less likely to trust any reform. And that is
Speaker 1: more or less where the Protocols of the Elders of
Speaker 1: Zion came from. The acronic plagiarizes, a work of plagiarism
Speaker 1: by oppression in order to like prop up the Czar
Speaker 1: against liberals. And it's it's again like that that first
Speaker 1: appeal in eighteen o six, that first piece of big
Speaker 1: anti Semitic propaganda. It's not meant to go worldwide. It
Speaker 1: is meant to have a very specific impact within France
Speaker 1: and Russia on a specific series of political issues. But
Speaker 1: it fucking gets out of here. It breaks containment right
Speaker 1: like a virus, and it goes viral immediately and within
Speaker 1: a few years, the Elders of Zion, the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion have spread all over the world.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about fucking Colombia in our next episode.
Speaker 1: Um and provided went on to provide like inspire slaughter
Speaker 1: and all over the planet and provide a lot of
Speaker 1: the fuel for what became the Holocaust. Well, I have
Speaker 1: is like, how does it spread like that? Like this
Speaker 1: isn't the Internet doesn't exist, and I'm an idiot, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how things. Uh, We're gonna break that
Speaker 1: down in part two. I'm gonna we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: specifically the nation of Columbia, and I'll walk you through
Speaker 1: exactly how it's spread throughout Columbia and the impact that
Speaker 1: it has because it's very interesting and the story in Columbia,
Speaker 1: similar things happen all over the world of different countries spread.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, we bring it. We bring it back to
Speaker 1: the Midwest too. Don't worry a little don't worry a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's a little bit of Henry Ford. But first,
Speaker 1: just just a teeny bit that there's a lot to
Speaker 1: say about him doing this. I didn't include a whole
Speaker 1: lot in here, just because there's so much else to
Speaker 1: get over but we'll do a Henry Ford episode at
Speaker 1: some point. Be a long one guy, no good, no good,
Speaker 1: not a not a nice dude. Well you've got any plug,
Speaker 1: double plug Langston. Yeah, yeah, you can listen to my podcast.
Speaker 1: It's called My Mama told me. It's available everywhere. We
Speaker 1: talk about conspiracy theories, and I'm gonna use a lot
Speaker 1: of this information to apply to my own nonsense. So
Speaker 1: this is exciting. Yeah, Well I love I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't love anything. Just greatly on
Speaker 1: just raid theon and kill him Bazaar. I do love
Speaker 1: killing Tazar. So why don't you all go out and
Speaker 1: while you wait for at part two, find us are
Speaker 1: you know, deal with him? Kill him, kill him kill
Speaker 1: kill a fuckings art, Go find us art, take him out.
Speaker 1: Get an old timmy bomb and take out that tsar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those, you know, the kind like it's a
Speaker 1: big sphere. It's got like a little knob on the top,
Speaker 1: like a very long, just long wik that burns pretty slow,
Speaker 1: but not slow enough to get away. You kill him
Speaker 1: not yeah, you fucking take that czar anyway. This is
Speaker 1: behind the bastards once again inciting violence against the Russian
Speaker 1: Royal family. Um as is our want