WEBVTT - Part One: The Conspiracy to Begin All Conspiracies 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.760 M alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright. Uh, you 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.520 know fissures, Sophie. Was that is that how you start 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.400 a podcast? I mean yeah, I mean technically, I mean 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.480 this podcast did it. That was because normally, if I'm 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.239 shouting a disease, it's gonna be like diphtheria or syphilis. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.919 That I decided to throw a wild card in this time. Um, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.120 although I could have given the topic today, it might 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.320 have been appropriate to just shout Hitler, I mean where 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.120 you were going, But then you didn't do it, and 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.040 now I'm confused. Well, Hitler did have a lot of 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.640 weird butt problems. So it's this is Behind the Bastards, 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.600 a podcast where we talk about the worst people in 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.839 all of history and the things behind them. In today's 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.159 episode is one of the latter. My guest today is 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.199 Langston Kerment from the Boys and from Insecure. Langston, how 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.200 are you doing today? Oh? I'm fantastic And what an intro? 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.000 What make the start? I love the way you start 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.520 your show? This is fantastic. We're professionals here, Langston, And 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.120 the way professionals open shows is by immediately before the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.560 show starts shouting out the name of a disease, illness, 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.720 or just a totally shrieking um. Lankesons Lakes and has 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.759 a podcast. I do have a podcast. That's true. It's 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.080 it's about black people in our conspiracy theories. I rarely 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.680 yell anal Fishers, but I'm learning a lot today and 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.039 maybe that's something I'll incorporate. Linkston. One of my really 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.399 good friends, Cody del Rosario, he texts me, He's like, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.840 You've got to listen to this podcast, and I'm like, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.120 it's your show, and I'm like, yeah, that's kind of 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.679 on our network, and I will hell yeah, yeah, Well 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.960 Langston you you you just as you just said, you 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:47.080 do a show about conspiracy theories. Um, and today we're 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.240 talking about the conspiracy theory that kind of started all 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.120 modern conspiracy theories. We're going back to the source, the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.080 the the origin point for like Q and on for 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.160 like the n w oh, the Illuminati conspiracies, all of 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.520 that ship, all that Bill Cooper's stuff starts with the 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:10.480 subject of today's episode. We are talking about the protocols 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:16.160 of the Elders of Zion. Yeah you heard anything about that? No, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.600 But I just love a lot of fancy words strong together. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.640 This is one of the most influential pieces of dangerous 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.320 conspiratorial nonsense ever created. It has gotten millions of people killed, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.760 like like like a death told that that your average 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.520 dictator would struggle to or your average American president for 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.480 that manner, we struggled struggle to match like this is. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.120 This thing has gotten so many real Jimmy Carter worth 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.560 of numbers. I got you. I love the Jimmy Carter's 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.600 your yard stick for a president. He gets a lot 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.639 of people kill. The greatest murderer of all time, I 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.079 would say, Jimmy Carter, history's greatest monster. Um. Yeah, you 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.880 can see in his eyes as he feverishly builds houses, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.519 he's just desperately trying to weigh down his debt to humanity, 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:12.840 so boiling out of him. Uh So, as you're well aware, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.600 as all of our listeners are well aware, we live 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.960 today in an age of conspiracies, real and theorized. I 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.119 think about half of the country, uh probably about half 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.480 of the world lives in a semi permanent state of 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.359 conspiratorial obsession. And a lot of these folks are right, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.679 you know. Um, for example, there's a ton of black 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.720 people today who remember personally what the FBI co intel 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.560 pro like program did to the civil rights movement, the 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.800 black There's people all over the Arab world and in 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.520 Latin America who lost family members and lived in chains 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.360 for decades because of conspiracies cooked up or funded by 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.000 the CIA. A lot of people have been victims of 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.200 real conspiracies. So when I say we live in a 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.880 world of conspiracies, it's not all nonsense. Um, So I 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.839 would say the great plague of our modern world isn't 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.760 that a lot of people believe in conspiracies, because a 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.880 lot of people have a good reason to. The thing 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.840 that's slowly tearing our society apart, which is kind of 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.320 perfectly embodied by Q and On in the terminal case 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.400 of fascist brain worms that it spread the millions of 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:10.160 Americans is something different. It's called conspiracism. This term was 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.600 popularized by a scholar named Frank Mints in the nineteen eighties. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.960 He defined conspiracism as belief in the primacy of conspiracies 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.880 and the unfolding of history. In other words, the idea 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.240 that conspiracies or a conspiracy is a moving the primary 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.599 moving factor in the history of a nation of the world. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.640 That's conspiracism. It's demonstrably false because the vast majority of 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.400 ship that happens happens pretty much out in the open. Right. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.359 There's all these different like like like with the with 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.200 the case of like kind of white supremacy in the 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.039 United States, there's a bunch of FBI conspiracies and stuff 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.160 you can point to, But the history of white supremacy 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.400 is mostly pretty open, like most of it's not really 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.599 all that hidden. It's just like the way things fucking 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:52.720 work and stuff. Um, But so you've got these real conspiracies. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.719 Conspiracism is believing that everything that happens is tied to 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.440 a conspiracy in some way, as opposed to this then 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.360 being kind fragments of the reality that we live in. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.160 As Frank Mintz wrote, conspiracism serves the needs of diverse 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.679 political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.960 blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.360 things will be better once popular action can remove them 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.640 from positions of power. And I think that gets to 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.440 the key difference between believing in conspiracies and conspiracism. If 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.520 you understand like that the FBI and the CIA carry 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.839 it out and still engage in a variety of conspiracies 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.360 to funk up a bunch of things. You probably don't 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.039 believe that just getting rid of one of those organizations 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.320 will solve all of the world's problems. Like you'd be 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.440 rad to get rid of the CIA and the FBI, 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.320 But it wouldn't stop Turkey from ethnically cleansing the Kurds, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.440 or a year by jan by ethnically from ethnically cleansing Armenians. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.039 It wouldn't fix climate change overnight. It wouldn't stop our 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.320 world from accelerating into an uninhabitable mess. Conspiracists believe it, like, yeah, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.320 if you get this conspiracy out of the way, Like 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.360 that's the Q and on thing, right, if we can 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.320 get rid of this cabal of evil child eating pedophiles 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.000 to solve all of the world's problems, everything will be fair. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:01.839 We just have to solve this one. It's kind of 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.200 an optimistic worldview when you really think about it, conspiracism 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.400 because it believes that there's a magic bullet that can 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:12.000 fix everything. So yeah, scholar, and you like, it's it's 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:17.760 clear why conspiracism is particularly um attractive today. Because all 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.800 of our problem we have so many problems, and they're 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.880 all so complex, and they all like have tendrils not 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.400 just into these different government organizations and different like cabals 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.080 and whatnot, but they have all these tendrils into like 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.920 just the way we live our lives. Right, it'd be 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.400 nice if there was like one group of small one 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.400 small group of evil men making climate change happen, But 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.720 it's largely tied to the fact that we all kind 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.240 of live the life that we live and we have 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.520 all these systems that ensure that we're going to continue 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.839 pumping carbon into the atmosphere and that's hard to fix. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.440 Like dope, if it was just like those some three 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.640 dudes and you were just like, oh, you're fucking something 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.560 all right, by yeah, yes, I And I maintained that 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.760 it is three dudes, mostly so that I don't have 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.960 to work on me, but that yeah, that's the personal work. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.960 But I'm ay, there's there's two, like there's the there's 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.719 that like oh seven companies responsible for like the carbon emissions. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.920 Like that's true, but they're doing it because of the 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.160 way we all because for example, we all need to 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.720 drive a car because we for years like allowed fossil 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.320 fuel companies to destroy any chance at functional public transport 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.240 in a large chunk of the world, or like, um, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.840 you know, yeah, yeah, like you can tie a lot 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.840 of emissions to Amazon, but Amazon is emitting because we 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.880 all want our second day delivery and ship like there's 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.280 it's it's all more complicated than just like Jeff Bezos 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.640 bad he is, but a lot of a bunch of 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.240 fruit leather the other day from Amazon. And I didn't 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.040 have to do that. I didn't need that product. You 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.440 wanted the fruit leather, and so you really wanted that 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:54.520 fruit ye Did I need a hundred pieces of fruit leather? 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.800 Absolutely not. That's on me, Jeff. We all we all 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.280 have our fruit leather in this discussion, you know, um 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.840 yeah so. Scholars Seymour lip Set and Earl rob wrote 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.680 that the typical conspiracy theory is international in scope, extends 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.400 both in space and time, dates back in history, and 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.120 is destined to endure forever. And that's kind of what 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.960 separates an actual conspiracy. You know, you can look at 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.400 real conspiracy like, okay, well, at this date, the c 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.360 i A launched a plan to overthrow the democratically elected 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.520 president of Guatemala and backed death squads and stuff, and 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.920 like there's a beginning and an end and a scope, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.160 a limited scope to the conspiracy. A conspiracy theory, there's 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.200 no limit. It goes on forever, It goes back in 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.760 time forever, and it will never it will endure forever. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.439 Alex Jones, for example, believes in a globalist conspiracy that 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.840 stretches literally back into prehistory. A small group of a 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.040 few thousand insiders, depending on what day he's talking about it, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.280 have been working for a linear to enslave in the 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.720 human race. Destroying these globalists will solve every problem that 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.000 humans have. But an Alex's estimation, their precise member roster 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.240 is always changing and their plans are always a out 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.840 ten years away from completion. So like, no matter what 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.280 you do, it's always there. It's always if you could 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.440 just solve the problem, everything would be better, but you 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.880 never do. That's a fucking conspiracy theory. And in the 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.480 modern sense of the word. Key believers on the other hand, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.000 and to tie every problem of their lives and nationwide 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.520 to this cabal that's fighting Donald Trump and magical combat 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.160 and yeah, like it it links up with all these 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.319 different ship We've talked about this a lot on the show. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.840 Historian Daniel Pipes laid out a short list of characteristics 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.320 that virtually all conspiracy theories have in common. Power is 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:36.520 the goal, benefit indicates control, Conspiracies drive history, nothing is 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.760 accidental or foolish, and appearances deceived. Right. One of the 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.360 big like key cat like tenants of Q and on 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.360 is that there are no coincidences um. And part of 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.200 this is just because like man, fucking wild ship happens 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.720 in the world. You know, sometimes the Archduke of Austria 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.080 Hungary is trying to get a sandwich or is what 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.240 is like driving down the street and a guy at 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.240 a sandwich shop shoots him and then twenty million people die, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.160 and that's just the way the fucking world goes. But conspiracy, no, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.960 it's got to be you know, this guy was a 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.760 part of like he was a part of an organization, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.559 but it was like just a bunch of poor serbians. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.200 But they've got to imagine, no, it was part of this. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.319 There's people pulling the strings, the rothschilds needed it to happen, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:19.120 and like those babies in that pizza shop, yeah there's yeah, yeah, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.000 it wasn't just people talking about cheese, pizza. It's gotta 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:27.240 be yeah. Nazism, as at its heart, was a conspiracist theology. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.640 All of Germany's problems could be laid at the feet 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.680 of international Jewry, who are responsible not just for German 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.800 defeat in World War One, but for the overthrow of 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.640 the Czars and the establishment of the USSR. When the 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.839 war turned against the Nazis, Hitler and his high command 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.640 diverted crucial war resources towards fueling the extermination camps in 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.640 the East, because eliminating the Jews was for them a 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.040 military priority. Not all conspiracist beliefs center around the idea 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.880 of an international Jewish conspiracy, but conspiracism itself has its 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.480 origins intricately tied to anti Semitism, and in the most 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.319 successful conspiracy theory ever made in human history, the Protocols 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.800 of the Elders of Zion. The concept of grand conspiracies 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.959 is not particularly old, as these things go conspiracy theories. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.640 Grand conspiracy theories go back about nine hundred years and 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.319 have only really become operational in the last two hundred years. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.680 The inciting incident for the birth of all modern grand 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.360 conspiracy theories is the French Revolution. This makes sense when 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.160 you really think about it. One of the world's great powers, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.160 the most powerful military force in the world at the time, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.720 the most established monarchy in the world, is overthrown seemingly 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.160 overnight and replaced with a radical left wing government. Blood 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.360 letting and chaos ensues. Many people felt the changes that 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.960 swept France couldn't possibly have been the result of long 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.160 simmering unrest in kingly incompetence. It couldn't be the king 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.760 was dumb, he fucked up. People took their chance and 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.600 they got lucky, and things just worked out and they 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.440 overthrew the government. It couldn't be that. It has to 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:56.160 be some some cabal was plotting this, And unfortunately for 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.400 just a whole lot of people, the birth of modern 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.040 conspiracy theories happened to very neatly coincide with something else, 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.440 the birth of modern anti semitism. So these two things 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.560 are really happening right at the same time. When I 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.240 talk about modern anti semitism, not just talking about like 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.400 it's it's what is the difference between racism and anti semitism. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.520 Anti Semitism is a type of racism, but not all people, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.240 not all different groups of people have the same thing 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.520 that that Jewish people go through with anti Semitism, which 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.160 is anti Semitism isn't just bigotry against Jewish people, it's 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.400 belief that they control the entire world. Right, That's not 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.640 a thing that is universal in racism. It's a thing 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.000 that it exists beyond that, but like that's a specific thing. Yeah, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.840 with Black people, they're never worried we're in charge. They're 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:45.040 pretty confident we are not. I think they're a little 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.800 worried Lebron might be in charge, but everybody else they're 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.120 like pretty certain we ain't got ship. Whereas Jewish people, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.680 they're real worried about being Lebron is in charge. And 0:12:54.760 --> 0:13:00.000 I hope so, I mean, god, that would be comforting, um, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:04.079 because he's good, big strong arms, that beautiful. It would 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.120 just be nice to know that the person in charge 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:11.480 of the world had at least a talent. Right, Well, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.720 you've got one skill, maybe he has other skill. This 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.760 will be fun. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's not going 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:24.079 to bomb anybody. I've so comforted by that that future 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:32.480 for us, Yeah, just just Lebron James. The only bombs 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.040 he drops are basketballs. That would be nice. Did you 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.440 just try to do a sports reference? I mean I did, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.920 I did my best. Really painful for me. I know, 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:45.440 I'm sorry. I mean I'm brought of you for knowing 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:51.160 Lebron's last name. Yes, yeah, I mean I do live 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:55.680 in the world and he does run it. So it's 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.400 one of the things that's hard to miss. Yeah. Again, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.160 anti Semitism like and kind of the modern sense of 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.480 the word. And we talk academically a lot of times 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.600 to day if you're just if you're racist again Jewish people, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.120 that's anti semitism, and it is. But when we talk 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.200 about it academically, we're talking about not just racism, but 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.280 the theory that the Jews control everything, right, like that 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:19.560 that conspiratorial belief that doesn't go back forever. Um. There's Again, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.600 racism against Jewish people has a long history. You can 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.800 find Romans like Cicero talking about Jewish gold and Roman 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.320 poets like Juvenal decrying Jews is drunken and misbehaved. But 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.600 the bigotry on display by these guys, these Romans is 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.720 the same kind of bigotry they had about everyone who 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.440 wasn't Roman, right, Like, you can find them saying the 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.560 same ship about Carthagenians and stuff. The ancient Romans burnt 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.600 down Jerusalem, but they didn't do it because they believe 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.840 there was a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world. That 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.160 were angry that Jewish people didn't worship the emperor, and 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.320 we're you know it was it was. It was imperial ship. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.520 It wasn't like a belief in some sort of conspiracy. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.680 They burned it down and they said, this isn't personal, fellas, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.920 this is this is what we do. We're the Roman Empire. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.080 We burned down a lot of cities and that's what 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.880 we're gonna last a thousand years. Please don't think this 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.680 is about your religious beliefs. This has nothing to do 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.640 with that. I mean a little bit, but yeah, we 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.400 don't think you're pulling the strings. We're pulling the strings 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.440 were the Roman Empire. Yeah, early Christians spent a lot 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.920 of time vilifying Jewish thinkers, and this is kind of 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.520 where the roots of anti Semitism go back. This was 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.800 due partly to the fact that in the early days 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.480 of Christianity, most people who and most people weren't Christians 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.560 just saw it as like a kind of Judaism, right, Like, oh, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.680 you've got Christian Jews are kind of the same thing, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.280 Like they like Christian and Jewish people don't see it 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.040 that way, but like Roman Pagans are like, well they're 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.600 all they're all the same. They all believe there's just 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:47.840 one God, like a bunch of lunatics. Um yeah so um. Christians, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.360 early Christians wanted to differentiate themselves from Jewish people, and 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.480 one way to do that was by attacking Judaism, an 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.680 early Christian apologist, which is like a guy, you know, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.280 a hype man for Christianity, Like he's there trying to 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.720 drum up interest in the religion. Justin was maybe the 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.400 first Christian to claim that Jewish people had quote killed 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.200 the Christ and Justin is the origin of the like 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.360 the Jews killed Jesus thing, right, that Mel Gibson movie 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.840 and stuff. Yeah, I love that his name is Justin. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.600 That's great. That just another Justin fucking ship up for everybody. First, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.440 Justin really showed up. Justin the martyr just was a 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:30.040 piece of ship, right, thanks Justin. At least it wasn't 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:37.760 a chet and he's one of the kind Justin you know, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.880 we we sure do. Justin was followed in sort of 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.880 weaving the bones of anti Semitism by a guy called 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.040 Tertullian who was one of the fathers of the Christian Church. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.720 Tertullian called synagogues fountains of persecution. Now, these stereotypes is 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.600 Jewish people as rebels who rejected Jesus and persecuted Christians 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.760 evolved over the decades and centuries as Christianity went from 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.440 kind of a fringe cult to the dominant religion of 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.119 the Western world. And these the bigotry shaped the attitudes 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.680 of a lot of medieval Christian communities towards the Jewish diaspora. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.480 There were programs and massacres inspired by these beliefs. In 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.520 eleven ninety at least a hundred and fifty Jewish people 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.040 were massacred in the town of York, and twelve ninety 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.680 Jews were exposed in mass from England and an act 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.439 of ethnic cleansing, one that was followed by France and 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.199 thirteen o six in Spain in fourteen ninety two. In 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.240 fifteen forty three, Martin Luther called the Church in Rome 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:37.720 the devils Synagogue and derided Catholic Orthodoxy as Jewish in 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.600 his Greed. We don't talking about how racist Martin Luther 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:45.000 was so Jewish, These Jewish Catholics, they only talk about 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.359 how nice that dude was. And he was a piece 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.800 of ship, massive piece of ship. Wrote a whole book 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.400 about how he didn't like Jewish people. Real bad guy. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.639 I never I never trusted his air cut. So for 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.199 me it was a no from the start. But I've 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.280 only heard good news, and this is bad news on 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.359 the whole Martin different news. You're bad news about a 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.720 couple of people in this it was well again, the 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.240 Holocaust really changed a lot of this because after the 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.800 Holocaust people started feeling some shame for saying bigger than 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.520 things about Jewish people in public. Um. But man, everybody 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.600 was racist against Jewish people right up until that moment. Right. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.240 There's these There are a couple of big myths in Christendom. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:27.959 One of them was the idea of like the blood 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.960 Passover is how it's referred to, which is that rabbis 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.399 kidnapped Jewish babies and use their blood to make like 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.960 mats of bread basically like to celebrate the Passover. And 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.679 the other and you'll see there are churches in Europe 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.960 today with stained glass reliefs of rabbi's killing Christians like 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.400 to this day are still up like that they refused 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.680 to take down or like that or whatever. I mean, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.320 nobody's going to these churches. Yeah, it's one of those 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.760 things like when it's often framed because of how kind 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.199 of rapidly society changed after the Holocaust, it's often from 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.679 it's like the Germans drummed all of this hatred up. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.960 No they didn't. It went back. There were ethnic cleansings 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.879 in every country in Europe against the Jews and the 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.680 centuries prior to the Holocaust. You know, it's a yeah 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.199 and the the yes. And the other big myth is 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.080 the judent sow, which is like a pig, that is, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.639 Jewish babies are suckling at its breasts. And you'll see this. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.639 There are stained glass reliefs of Jewish babies like nursing 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.200 from pigs in the great old cathedrals of Europe. It's 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.040 deeply woven in the history of Christianity, is what I'm saying. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.760 We don't talk about it, so what really said? But again, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.000 this these aren't conspiracy. There's conspiracies about like yeah, Rabbi's 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.400 murdering kids and stuff like that, but there's not nobody's 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.359 talking about Jews running the world. Right, there's this idea 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.399 these are aliens that are missed. They're dangerous because they're different. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.880 There's not this idea that like, there's the secret masters 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.639 of the universe. That really got started after the French 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.439 Revolution in the seventeen hundreds UM. When the French Revolution hit, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.679 conspiracies were immediately woven to lay blame for it on 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.359 the Jews. A couple of years after the revolution, Edmund 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.240 Burke published a manifesto on the French Revolution where he 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:20.920 declared the revolutionaries jew brokers and old Julie. Now this 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.680 is one of history's great ironies because you have seen 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.880 a quote from Edmund Burke, if you've watched documentaries about 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.840 the Holocaust, if you've watched documentaries about the Nazis, there's 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.480 a specific Edmund Burke quote that shows up fucking concept 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.320 I probably saw a hundred times as a kid. The 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.760 quote is the only thing necessary for the triumph of 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.840 evil is for good men to do nothing. And that 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.240 is often used in and like Holocaust documentaries and the 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.520 never again since is that like, if only good people 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.560 had done something, we could have stopped this. And the 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.520 people who used that quote, I don't think generally know 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.960 that Edmund Burke helped found modern anti Semitism. They don't 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.800 know that he wasn't including Jews, and that he was 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.919 not is like, listen, good men should do something, not 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.679 you Jews, stay out of it. You're not good people. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.240 That's the that's the field you get from Mr Burke. Um. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.000 And yeah, his Burke's attitude towards the French Revolution is 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.240 very similar to Adolf Hitler's attitude towards the Russian Revolution 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.280 because Hitler blamed it on Judeo Bolshevik's that was always 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:23.800 the term he would use. They're the same, it's the 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.280 same basic idea. Right, this cataclysm has changed Europe forever. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.239 This dynasty has been swept from power. It can't just 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.640 have been because they were shipped and they made people angry. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.520 It has to be the Jews, you know. Um. Obviously, 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.760 the fact that the idea that Jewish people had been 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.080 pulling the strings was not the only or even the 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.200 most prominent conspiracy theory in the wake of the French Revolution. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.720