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Speaker 2: The World's a regional podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Alex.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Alex whoever ordered four chairs for the studio?

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Speaker 3: I took that as oh, okay, they're threatened.

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Speaker 4: Fun and hard to write about just from a leg

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Speaker 4: because he had blood clots, Like how do you describe it?

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Speaker 5: Every day in blo observation. So it was like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Christian bomber parents. The blood clocks not the same as ankle.

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Speaker 2: Paul and I want to tune into some good old

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Speaker 2: fashioned rivers have tide level arguments, not a bunch of boomers.

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Speaker 4: I am not a boomer, God damn it, nor am I?

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Speaker 3: What's cackase, Mike, Alex?

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Speaker 4: It goes the way of a clock.

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Speaker 3: I haven't never I used my phone, boomer.

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Speaker 2: I look at my phone.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 6: I did for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Somebody was it the horn?

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Speaker 2: The Horner fertility? All right, we gotta hurry. This is

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday, and

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Speaker 2: a victory Tuesday at that. We are here for the

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Speaker 2: next two hours. On Patriots Unfiltered. It's Deuce, it's Evan,

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Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's Fred, It's Matt and the Booth. We're

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Speaker 2: coming to you live from Gillette Stadium. And boy, what

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Speaker 2: a week. Huh. I am so psyched.

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Speaker 5: This is me handing Fred his flowers.

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Speaker 2: Well, now listen, listen. You know you nailed it.

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Speaker 6: Why are you doing that?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what nailed it? On Patriots dot com.

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Speaker 2: We didn't Madden SIM before the game. Do you know

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Speaker 2: what the score was after that sim?

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Speaker 6: Sixteen to ten?

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Speaker 2: Seventeen to ten, Patriots win one point one. That was

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Speaker 2: pretty good. We're gonna do that again this week. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to find out how close they get this week.

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Speaker 5: But I'm being serious. Fred had one of his premonitions

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Speaker 5: where he felt like not only a lot of people

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Speaker 5: thought the game could be close, and I would put

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Speaker 5: myself in that category. I thought the Bengals would pull

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Speaker 5: away late. Yeah, but you didn't think the game would

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Speaker 5: be close. You thought the Patriots would win it. And

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Speaker 5: I didn't really see a lot of people pick picking yet.

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Speaker 2: But you know, listen, it was an upset you know who. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And but if you thought there was a way for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots to win this game, this was exactly the blueprint.

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Speaker 2: This was exactly the blueprint. Run the ball, play good defense,

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Speaker 2: don't make a lot of mistakes, don't turn the ball over.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what hope the other team does. And that's

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Speaker 2: the exactly what happened if they were gonna win this game.

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Speaker 2: But listen, I am so proud of them. And I

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Speaker 2: know Paul always last when I say that, why are

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Speaker 2: you proud? But but I really am. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of things could have gone bad

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Speaker 2: based on last year and what we saw so far

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Speaker 2: not a completely perfect game, but pretty close, pretty close.

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Speaker 2: Like when they had to make the stop at the end,

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Speaker 2: they did. When they had to keep possession at the

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Speaker 2: end they did. They had clutch play. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: big a play was that that punch out of Burrow

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Speaker 2: Close to the goal line. To me, that was the game.

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Speaker 2: That was that was the turning point of the game.

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Speaker 6: That was a big turning point.

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Speaker 5: But I think it was pretty close to perfect that

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Speaker 5: very few penalties, no turnovers, I mean they flirted with them,

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Speaker 2: I mean what they did to Burrow with the different

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Speaker 2: You know, Burrow is an elite quarterback in this league,

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Speaker 2: and he looked flustered. Yep, And he did look flustered.

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Speaker 2: You know, so how they won this game. It's a

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Speaker 2: tough way to live. You know, they're gonna mat They're

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Speaker 6: More of a Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Listen, They're gonna meet other teams that are gonna

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Speaker 4: On the postgame show, I was trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: twenty two against the Lions when they shut out the Lions.

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Speaker 4: Good Lions team, but really since then, I mean it

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Speaker 3: You win game probably yeah, a good win.

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Speaker 4: Well it's twenty twenty one, yeah, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: there wasn't as much excitement at that win as this

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and with good reason.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you listened to the post game show

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Speaker 5: all the time, right, We basically had an hour and

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Speaker 5: forty five minutes of the good list.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what was on.

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Speaker 5: My bad list? And this is the only thing that

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Speaker 5: I didn't have extremely objective, I know, but I know

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Speaker 5: when when they take it and they go out there again,

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Speaker 5: I understand. It wasn't like the coaches are going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fans that were booing.

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Speaker 6: What am I gonna what am I gonna nitpick on?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's there's things for sure, And we'll

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Speaker 4: But I have a list.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll let the prince of pessimism take over the.

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Speaker 5: And just Y, you know, this was you a thing

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Speaker 2: And they knew they were going to have to run

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Speaker 2: But they need this team and every team, but this

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Speaker 2: We didn't know owing to the season who they would be.

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Speaker 2: Defense, I just thought, there's speed to the ball. You

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Speaker 5: But even had five straight drives where they looked like themselves,

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Speaker 2: really good game obviously, you know key on White spin.

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Speaker 5: By it was really you know, so the fourth down

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Speaker 2: We were and again, this is one game, so we

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Speaker 6: Now a lot of them it was just because they

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Speaker 4: And it's so easy to draw the line from that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we forget that when Gerard was

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Speaker 4: So listen, yeah, all three phases.

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Speaker 2: I mean, season could end today, I'd be I mean,

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Speaker 4: And just the special teams too, like everybody was contributing.

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't you know. Listen, I want to steal

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Speaker 2: your thunder. Well, we'll get to The offense still has issues.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they ran the ball great.

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Speaker 4: The offense has issues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the offense still I mean, you know, they scored

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Speaker 2: sixteen points. Let's not forget. You know, that's not gonna

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Speaker 3: All Right, I'll hand out three gold stars on the

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Speaker 3: I really felt like, you look at that last drive

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Speaker 3: And that's what they had him doing late in that game.

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Speaker 3: There was hardly any coverage bus I think there was

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Speaker 2: He just looked lighter and more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he likes to almost like slalom where like he's

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Speaker 3: I'll give Jacobe Brisset credit for managing the game. I

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Speaker 3: where other quarterbacks Mac Jones might have just you know,

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Speaker 2: Question for you on the pressure, yeah, because we went

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Speaker 2: we're gonna test that we're gonna put pressure on him.

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Speaker 2: I wanted.

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Speaker 2: Into Trent Brown.

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Speaker 4: Oh, just hands gone.

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Speaker 5: I would take the heat if you said no, he

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Speaker 5: But like what Mike saw before. That is different than

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Speaker 4: So yeah, let's.

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Speaker 6: See what happens going forward. On Sunday, he was really good, just.

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Speaker 4: Without Judahn and Barmore. You need a guy who makes

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 4: I mean it always bringing it in the game.

440
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Speaker 2: Man.

441
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 4: After the game. I don't know.

442
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the lock chains, well, you know, when he

443
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 3: came to the post.

444
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 4: He's always got he's always got cool being unhipped, he

445
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 4: marches to his own drummer. I appreciate it, Yeah, I did.

446
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 3: I did like the sack on Trent Brown because of

447
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: the exact reason you said, that's some skill, you know,

448
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 3: double swipe move, And it wasn't just a bull rush

449
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: where he's just kind of putting his head down and

450
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 3: running through the.

451
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: Brown just bent over because no, not again.

452
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 3: And it was from the edge too, from stand up,

453
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 3: from where he says he needs to so that all

454
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 3: summer long, he's been working on those types of moves.

455
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 4: That was a week one that play.

456
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Speaker 5: Can I ask you, as you're going to segue into

457
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 5: your to your reasons, why all the things you think

458
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 5: are good really as good as you think that When

459
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 5: Cincinnati did finally get their offens in gear late in

460
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 5: the first half into the second half, they kind of

461
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 5: started to run.

462
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: The ball a little bit.

463
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 5: Did you see guys liked key On y in a

464
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 5: quality maybe getting targeted in the run game at all.

465
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 3: A little bit, And Bentley honestly was at the point

466
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: of attack at the big sixteen yarder that they had

467
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 3: from Zack Moss. But I think the big thing was

468
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: is that they were playing those two deep safeties and

469
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: they were just daring the Bengals to run the ball,

470
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: like if you want to take the game out of

471
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: Burrows hands, and like, go right ahead and run the

472
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: ball with Zack Moss, and it was a Chase Brown

473
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: right as their backup. You know, we'll live with that.

474
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 3: And eventually the Bengals finally succumbed and said, okay, well

475
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: we'll run it. They ran a couple of them off

476
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: our pos too, which seemed to take some of the

477
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 3: numbers out of the box for the Patriots. But the

478
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: biggest thing was, yeah, those those interior guys weren't getting

479
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: off blocks a little bit.

480
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Speaker 5: The reason I brought it up was because Mike and

481
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 5: I Will you know, we watch, you know obviously on TV,

482
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Speaker 5: and Charles Davis, I think was the color commentator with

483
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Speaker 5: Iron Eagle.

484
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he.

485
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Speaker 5: Had mentioned for the first time of the game it

486
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 5: was like the third quarter touchdown drive. For the first time,

487
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 5: he felt like Cincinnati had gained control of the line

488
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 5: of scrimmage. The Patriots had thorough control of the line

489
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: from the outset and then he had said, finally, Cincinnati

490
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 5: is is pushed back. That's why I wanted to see

491
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 5: how you you know, if you were seeing it the

492
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: same way. And yep, because they are a little smaller,

493
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 5: you know, like a quality is not one of those

494
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 5: three hundred and twenty pound run stuffers.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, what did you think about the whole

496
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: conditioning thing that the Patriots you know, were just in

497
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: better shape at the end of the game. Do you

498
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Speaker 2: think that's more.

499
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Speaker 4: Just that I mean they made the plays at the end.

500
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean I struggled to like connect it

501
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 4: directly to and because Romander still had some bursts at

502
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 4: the you know, like hard to say that, but who

503
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 4: made the plays at the end? The Patriots did on

504
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball.

505
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 5: So played before the game started, the Patriots they dominated

506
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: for sixty minutes. Yeah, they all played Cincinnati for sixty

507
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 5: four minutes.

508
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 8: Yeah.

509
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: I put it less conditioning than they just played better.

510
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think that was more how I

511
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 4: looked at it, like if it had been a long

512
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: game and you know, you just felt like, man, these

513
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 4: teams both seemed tired. But like once I would say,

514
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 4: like in the Sunday night game, I watched Detroit in

515
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 4: the in the Rams, I'm sorry, the ROMs, you and

516
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: David Montgomery just completely took the overtime drive over and

517
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: went right down the field.

518
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 5: I don't think it's because the Rams were out of shape.

519
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 5: I just think that their offensive line sort of took

520
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 5: over when the game was on the line, and they

521
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: ran the ball very well. I just think it happens.

522
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 5: I think both sides in a Week one overtime game, both.

523
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: Sides are probably and at that point.

524
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: If you remember the beginning of this game, the Patriots game,

525
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: the defense had to be out in the field for

526
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: quite a bit to begin because the offense was going yeah.

527
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 5: And Cincinnati's defense no, Patriots, I don't think went three

528
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 5: and our much at all.

529
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 4: And to start the game that the sin defense had

530
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: more was on the field more early on. So they yeah,

531
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Speaker 4: just because of that, That's what I'm saying.

532
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: No, No, but I thought our defense the second.

533
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 4: Drive of the game was an eighty yard drive for US. Yeah,

534
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 4: it was.

535
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 5: They went like, I don't know how, like thirteen fourteen

536
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 5: plays eighty yards.

537
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 7: No.

538
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: I just I just remember thinking, oh, our defense needs

539
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of that.

540
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 5: Hold on, you know what, let me send that if

541
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Speaker 5: we had a different setup, I'd be more.

542
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh god jeezy. I remember thinking and on the blog

543
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: people say, you know, our defense needs a little bit

544
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: of a breather.

545
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 5: I don't know why you would ever say that. The

546
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 5: first three drives for Cincinnati with three and oh that

547
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 5: I remember.

548
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: Specifically, Yeah, but I believe I love when the glasses

549
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: go on. That's when you know it's please holds please.

550
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 5: So the yeah, three and ol for Cincinnati. Then the

551
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 5: Patriots get a first down on the first two plays,

552
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 5: and then they then they ended up having to punt,

553
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 5: and then Cincinnati goes three and out again, and then

554
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 5: the Patriots go on a fourteen play eighty yard drive

555
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: that took seven minutes and twenty seconds off off the

556
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 5: clot to take a seven or nothing lead. Like it

557
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: was like they were in The Patriots were in control

558
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 5: of the game really for sixty minutes. Now, you know,

559
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 5: the the thing that's that's tough to try to like

560
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 5: interpret something moving forward is what might keep saying it's

561
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: such a narrow path to victory that I felt they

562
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 5: were in complete control of the way the game was played,

563
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 5: and yet with three minutes left in the game, the

564
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: other team has the ball down six with a chance

565
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: to win.

566
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: Right, and it's Joe Burrow.

567
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: You're thoroughly in control of the game, and the other

568
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 5: team has the ball with a chance to win. Now,

569
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: Patriots closed like champs. They forced a three and out,

570
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 5: and then they end up in victory formation because they

571
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 5: were able to get two first downs with ramondre Stevenson.

572
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: Right, don't you think, Paul, that's exactly your argument for

573
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: running the ball of you can dominate.

574
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 5: I thought they I thought they all played Cincinnati from

575
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: start to finish and yet had sixteen points and we're

576
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 5: in a dogfight.

577
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

578
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: I think that was the difference between this because we've

579
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: seen them win sixteen to ten games for the last

580
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: three or four years, like it's not abnormal. But in

581
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: this game, they started out so well. They outgained Cincinnati

582
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: in the first choart I think is like one.

583
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 6: Twenty seventeen to seventeen. Yeah, I was gonna say.

584
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: One twenty to twenty. You know that that kind of

585
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: range sounds right, and then they were up ten nothing

586
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: at halftime. It hasn't we haven't seen that at time.

587
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of you know, last year in

588
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 3: Week one, they're down what eighteen to nothing, like right

589
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: off off this jump and coming from behind the whole

590
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: game like that part of it was refreshing, But if

591
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: we want to get to the grievances, at the end

592
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: of the day, they threw for one hundred and twenty

593
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: one yards and they scored sixteen points. And that formula

594
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 3: is just not going to work most week.

595
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: But isn't it almost kind of like the perfect scenario.

596
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: You win games, but it's not because you're throwing the

597
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: ball all over the yard. So that, Okay, when Drake

598
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: May comes in, it's gonna look that much better.

599
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope. So I just I think the biggest

600
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: thing is to.

601
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: Me because he is coming in. Yes, he's coming in.

602
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: And maybe you know, one of the biggest gripes I

603
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: had with Jacoby from this game was just he does

604
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: not want to test a tight window down the field,

605
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: like if it's if it's NFL open, but it's not

606
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: wide open, he's not throwing it. Yeah, And so there

607
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: was numerous times on this tape where he had open

608
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: receivers downfield and he's checking the ball.

609
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: Well, even when they took that shot. I think it

610
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: was early in the third quarter. He just threw the

611
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: ball too long.

612
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he look, he is what he is. He's

613
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: a veteran game manager quarterback who deserves, like I said

614
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: at the beginning, a lot of credit for mitigating the

615
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: pressure and dealing with the circumstances and all those things.

616
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: But there was at least three or four times in

617
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: twenty five dropacks where I'm thinking to myself, like, just

618
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: rip it, man, like, just throw the ball, and he

619
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: just doesn't want to throw it. You know, they set

620
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: up a play action shot they checked it down to

621
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Remandre and Austin Hooper on the wheel. Is just he's open,

622
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: like and you just want to see him just kind

623
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: of throw the ball into that window, and he just

624
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: doesn't want to do it. I thought he had Hunter

625
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: Henry multiple times in the red zone for touchdown and

626
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: just couldn't either didn't get the ball there or didn't

627
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: want to force it into a tighter window. It really

628
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: seems to show itself in the red zone where the

629
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: space is compacted that he just doesn't necessarily have that

630
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: in him. You have a forty eight percent pressure rate,

631
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: highest in the NFL in Week one, that's not sustainable.

632
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: And the lack of play action plays were a big

633
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: problem too. In this game, you only have twenty six

634
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: yards off of five play action attempts, despite the fact

635
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: that you ran for one seventy Like you should be

636
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: able to sequence those two things together and get some

637
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: more explosives out of the play action game. So the

638
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: passing game in general is not good enough by any

639
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: stretch of the imagination, like that's going to lose most games.

640
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 6: So just curious.

641
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: Obviously, the offense wasn't great, So most of the things

642
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 5: you just mentioned were all related to the offense per set,

643
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 5: the game plan. Yeah, anything else on the other side,

644
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 5: hold that was you'll get your chance. We're airing the grievances.

645
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: This is the air the grievances.

646
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 6: I didn't know.

647
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: I don't have too many nitpicks defense. I I really

648
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't talk about Gonzales yet. I thought

649
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: some of the man covery reps he had against Chase

650
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: were just ridiculous good.

651
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: I'll take this as the opportunity to sort of reiterate

652
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 5: that I thought they played a lot of his own I

653
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: thought that Gonzales was really good and not necessarily quote

654
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: unquote locking down one guy the whole game. No, so

655
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 5: that and that, and like I had the misfortune of

656
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: saying that in the post game, and I said something like,

657
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: it's not like Chase ended up with three catches for

658
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 5: fourteen yards or something with Gonzales covering him on every play, Right,

659
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 5: that's locking the guy down.

660
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

661
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: How many players did you have him covering him?

662
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 9: Man?

663
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: He had a man to man only seven, but they had.

664
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: Twenty seven seven times in the game.

665
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Yep. But okay, so yeah.

666
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: Again, this is not an indictment on Gonzales. Just don't

667
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: tell me he did something that he didn't do.

668
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: No, no, but he didn't lock him down all game.

669
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: But there were.

670
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: Asked to like, right, that's this is my that's the point

671
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: I was trying to make. And evidently I'm now I'm the.

672
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: But I think the future is bright for Gonzales. And

673
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: you look at some of the plays where he was

674
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: one on one with Chase where the ball didn't go

675
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: to Chase, and you ever see like those little fish

676
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: that move like as a group, he looked like he

677
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: was attached to Chase's I mean it was like the

678
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: way they moved together. It was almost like.

679
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: A dance, and so I can't see that on TV.

680
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: No, you saw it in the overhead and you know,

681
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: and that type of fluidity you know, in a corner

682
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: is rare. It's rare, and that's what separates the great

683
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: ones from the good ones. And you saw that.

684
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 5: What else does locking up a guy? Man the man

685
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: every play?

686
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: Okay, and that will come. I agree that will come.

687
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 6: But a lot of people think it already came.

688
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: It didn't come this game.

689
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not.

690
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 5: Talking about this game that it came. That's what he is. Yeah,

691
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: he's played five games, right right, like, that's all. But

692
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: I thought he was fine in the game. I have

693
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: no issues. I didn't have a single issue with even

694
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: the penalty he got. I had no problem with the penalty.

695
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: It wasn't egregious. Sometimes they let that go, sometimes they

696
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: call it.

697
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no problem with at all.

698
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that he has the physical ability to

699
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: be that lockdown guy. Will he have it up here?

700
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 6: That's what he wants to be, to be determined, he'd

701
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 6: better be.

702
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you drafted him in the first round, right.

703
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I think I think he's there.

704
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 6: He I think that's what he wants.

705
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: He's got the ability. He's got the ability.

706
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: I think he's already in that fit category. Like if

707
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: I was the Patriots coaching staff and they basically did

708
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he lined up against Chase twenty times, some

709
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: of it was zone. It ended up being zoned, but

710
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: they only threw the ball twenty well twenty Higgins.

711
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: Was in the game. Would he have had to do

712
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: it more.

713
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: Or maybe he's on Higgins.

714
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: I don't know.

715
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm Covington and Mayo, I go to

716
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: him every single Tuesday night and I say, you have

717
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: number fourteen this week, see you Sunday. Like he is,

718
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: he's that good.

719
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: I thought he was really good in the game. I

720
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: you know, I think he did exactly what they asked

721
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: him to do. And I think they wisely played a

722
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: lot of zone. I think it was like sixty percent yep,

723
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: which I think is a little I mean, you have

724
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: the numbers and this stuff. It seems seemed a little

725
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 5: bit more than they normally do to me.

726
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: Not quite as much as they did in twenty two

727
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, But they didn't have the corners they

728
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: have now. You know, they had Bryant Miles Bryant, Marcus Jones,

729
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: and Jonathan Jones that game. So now when you throw

730
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Gonzo in there, you feel a little bit comfortable.

731
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: God loved.

732
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: I mean, how can you quibble with a game plan

733
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: that made Joe Burrow look so average? I know, you know,

734
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: like I love the game plan.

735
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: I just.

736
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: I just don't understand what you guys thought. There was

737
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 5: no t Higgins. They had something.

738
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: Named yas.

739
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: Hyoshi vas Yoshias right playing a key role who actually

740
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: made a terrific catch, but otherwise it was invisible. And

741
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase having not done anything all summer, like I

742
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: don't know how like if anyone expected him to do.

743
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: I think he exceeded my expectations six for sixty two.

744
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: And had hard runs after catching.

745
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: And I'm not like surprised that some of his catches

746
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: weren't on Gonzales, Like they played zone so sometimes like

747
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: and I think the biggest play for him was that

748
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: twenty eight yard that was definitely but right in the

749
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: middle of like four guys, Like that was a definite

750
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 5: zone that was not Gonzales's fault down And I didn't

751
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: say it was Gonzalez's fault in the post game.

752
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: At the end of the back of everything. They had

753
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow and I'm a big boy.

754
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: They had an elite quarterback and they made that elite

755
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: quarterback you know, see ghosts and they so hats off

756
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: to the defense. I'm proud of you.

757
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 6: Yeah the very first that's condescending.

758
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: Who am I I'm proud.

759
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you.

760
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm there. You know, I've seen a lot of defenses.

761
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have. You know, I would just say a

762
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: couple grets that are caused for concern with me. It's

763
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: just low pressure rate from the defense. I mean that

764
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 4: number is seventeen percent, and then just rushing four was eleven.

765
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: So a team that's gonna have to get by with manufacturing.

766
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 4: And I thought a lot of what they did was

767
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: early on and they set the tone. And everyone wants

768
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: to talk about ke On White Sacks that came like

769
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: what all on like the first what four or five possessions, So,

770
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: I mean I had one one at the end, but

771
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: you know, it just it wasn't consistent enough for me.

772
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: Didn't see a lot out of Uce. I mean, he

773
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: played like six seven snaps he seems so I just

774
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: you know, it looks great there, but something going on,

775
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some other time to play, so little.

776
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: Continues to be something weird with Yeah, he had three

777
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: hurries in this game. One of them one of the

778
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: sacks was him coming off the edge of forcing right

779
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: under Trump Brown to step up. But this was one

780
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: of my bigger questions with Covington and this whole new

781
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: regime on defense was just you know, how aggressive would

782
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: they be? This was a coverage game plan, Like they

783
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: did not want to take the numbers out of the

784
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: back end to rush the passer at all.

785
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 4: Really.

786
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: Uh, they had a few of those like you know,

787
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 3: schemed pressures, whatever you want to call them, but they

788
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: rush forth the entire game. And when you do that,

789
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: like I know, they don't have a great you know

790
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: jets like defensive line that's gonna put up a forty

791
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: percent pressure a when they rush four guys. But they

792
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: covered so well that it didn't necessarily end up mattering.

793
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 4: So that's what stood out to me was I felt

794
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: like a lot of the impact on Burrow was, like

795
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: Evan said earlier, where it's not there, you know, And

796
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: I think it wasn't the press where it was just not.

797
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 6: They got pressure early, and I think that got Borrow short.

798
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.

799
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: I'll be interested to hear from everybody, you know, later

800
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: in the week when we start talking about the Seahawks,

801
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: how you think the defense might change their approach. I

802
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: don't want to get into it now, but like, will it.

803
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that they might have different looks for

804
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: the Seahawks than they do for Joe Burrow.

805
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: Let me know what Kenneth Walker's status is.

806
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: Okay, that'll be the big thing for me.

807
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they played so much Cover two in

808
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: this game, like that was their number one.

809
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 5: You're not gonna be able to dare Seattle to run

810
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: if Kenneth Walker's playing.

811
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's the big thing. And you know the

812
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: the Bengals, they're a shotgun team, They're a three receiver team.

813
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: They like to spread the field. They have Burrow. They

814
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 3: just say you go out there and do your thing.

815
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: And the Patriots just played.

816
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 6: The more I'm thinking of it like that, it's exactly right.

817
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: And Zach Taylor still didn't do anything different despite the

818
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: fact that there were three receiver.

819
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 6: Team and we're missing two of them. Yeah, Like, and

820
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 6: he just did the same.

821
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 4: Well, that's what we do.

822
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 5: Like you're supposed to be one of the tight pants guys.

823
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: Right, He's not it now, he's not invited to the.

824
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 5: But you're supposed to be one of the innovative, like creative.

825
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 5: I hear you offense guys, and you just said, well,

826
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 5: I don't have I don't have t Higgins at all,

827
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 5: And I can't really expect Jamar Chase to be Jamar Chase.

828
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 5: But I'm just gonna run the same same game plan

829
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 5: that I normally would.

830
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I had those Yeah, Zach Taylor every time

831
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: I watched the Bengals offense. I think it's one of

832
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: the most rudimentary offenses in the NFL.

833
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 6: I think DeMarcus Covington would agree with.

834
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: And so you have you have Burrow, Chase and Higgins,

835
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: and then you had Tyler Boyd for a while too,

836
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: is also a really good player. It's like, Yeah, if

837
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: you just go out there and you spread the field

838
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: and let those guys go one on one, somebody is

839
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: probably gonna win hero out and you're gonna be able

840
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: to move the ball. Their scheme is extremely simple, and

841
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: I I it jocks me that that they win as

842
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: much as they do. It's it's off of talent honestly

843
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: on that the Bengals.

844
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, f them.

845
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 4: Do you have any do anything in the press box

846
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: saying that for a long time?

847
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: And I mean.

848
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 4: It, do you do anything up in the nineteen year?

849
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: I know, I started to take my shirt off and

850
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: three security guards accosted me and told me to leave

851
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: my shirt on it.

852
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: So you can't tell me what to do.

853
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, their halftime food was dog food,

854
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: so you know Skyline in every way, in every way.

855
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: You didn't get a halftime hot dog. At the way.

856
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: They were, they were like these little mini things. They're

857
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: they were like the size are they lizzies? What's that

858
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: hot dog?

859
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 4: A glizzy?

860
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: It's just another name for it.

861
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Who gave you that name? I've never heard that.

862
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: From social media?

863
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 5: I'll bet you Meani the Connor was calling him that

864
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 5: when he was like still in high school.

865
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: I've never heard the term before.

866
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: I've never heard it before.

867
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: You've never heard the term very popular name, Mike, is

868
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 4: it dog?

869
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: I'm just you want to know when you really, like,

870
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 5: when Paul knows something that.

871
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: You don't, so like that's so instead of ordering a

872
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: hot dog, they would say, give me a glizzy.

873
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 4: No, you just know whoa whoa whoa Matisa's glassy all

874
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: the time.

875
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 3: It's just like get some glizzies, you know something like that.

876
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't what does it mean?

877
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: Like, what's it?

878
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: It's literally just a hot dogs.

879
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: So people have looked it up and it's really nothing

880
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 5: definitive about it.

881
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: I've heard people talk about him on I've heard him

882
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 4: talk about in the radio.

883
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: My kids have called him that.

884
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Since they were like really little.

885
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 5: Really really, that's what I mean kids these days, that's

886
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 5: what you kids do. It's been a minute something to

887
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: do every day.

888
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: I guess.

889
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 5: I mean I I missed your fit thing. I actually

890
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: took your key on white fit thing literally because of him.

891
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: I thought there was a chance.

892
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: All right, So later on we'll talk about other games

893
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but let's hear what our listeners have

894
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: to say. It is no longer the other hotline. It's

895
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: now the TPX hotline going forward. So that's eight the

896
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: numbers the same, eight, five, five, pass five hundred. But

897
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: let's go to the TPX hotline and see what you

898
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: have to say. We'll start with Cameron in North Carolina.

899
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: What's up, Cam?

900
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, this one's for you. I think I'm the

901
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 10: one that you're referring to about the Gonzo oh, and

902
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 10: I just it might've been my fault for not articulating

903
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 10: my question well enough. But I think that maybe you

904
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 10: misunderstood what I was saying is I was asking if

905
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 10: you knew what team and what defense they were running,

906
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 10: because based off the TV, it showed a couple of

907
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 10: clips here and there Gonzo on Jamar Kate and it

908
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 10: looked like he was on a pit. So that's the

909
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 10: why I was asking, was he on the clant or

910
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 10: were they running his.

911
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 6: Own So I'm in the same boat as you, Cameron,

912
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 6: What's that?

913
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: I said?

914
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 5: I'm in the same boat as you because Mike and

915
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 5: I are watching it off a TV. So when we're saying,

916
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 5: like we see him involved in tackles that resulted in

917
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 5: first downs, I can't tell you, well, that was a

918
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 5: man a man rep or that was his own rep

919
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 5: and he just happened to be the guy that came

920
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 5: over made the tackle. I felt like from watching, and

921
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 5: I think we said this on Sunday Mike, that there

922
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: was a lot of GTFB going on. I thought it

923
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: was kind of an old school keep everything in front

924
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: make him go the long way. I think Evan's point

925
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: about maybe Burrow not trusting outside the numbers as much

926
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: might have had something to do with it. You see

927
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 5: him doing a lot of this on the sideline. Maybe

928
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 5: he didn't trust his arm to actually take advantage of

929
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 5: some of the holes. I think they kind of put

930
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 5: everything in one of them. But Cameron, to your point,

931
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: I don't really know exactly I'm gonna trust Evans' view.

932
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 5: He had seven snaps that and mad he covered man

933
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 5: to man out of what thirty two dropbacks? Yeah, or

934
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow he was on chase, I don't know how

935
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 5: many passes he was lined up on the field Chase

936
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 5: on twenty routes.

937
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 3: Seven of them were straight man to man. Forty five

938
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: percent of them were pressed though, and uh a lot

939
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: of it. You know they're they're cover three. I mean

940
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: you're really man to man on the outside when you

941
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: play cover three. So even though it's a zone technically,

942
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you have you have the deep thirds like

943
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 3: you for saying that as well, you're one on one

944
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: like it's it's the same thing.

945
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 6: I just can't gets man within your zwn and Cam.

946
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: I would say that we we we We actually all

947
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 5: agree it's a typical PF de well PU, I call

948
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 5: a PFW in progress.

949
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: Still I can't stop doing that.

950
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: It was a good name.

951
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 6: It's a typical PU. Yes, that's why some of us

952
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 6: didn't want to change it.

953
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: We don't do the newspaper anymore, Paul.

954
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: But we all agree.

955
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: It was like a man, you know me, I don't

956
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 5: change well apparently, but I do think there was a

957
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: lot of agreement, even though we got to we got

958
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 5: to the Gonzales discussion from different viewpoints and and and points.

959
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 5: I felt like everybody thought the same thing that he

960
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 5: played well.

961
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I think everybody.

962
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: I haven't really seen anybody that said, you know what,

963
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: he didn't play very well in that game. I didn't

964
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 5: hear anyone, So it's only one guy, not even Matt

965
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: Smith play well.

966
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way he came up three catches

967
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: for fifteen yards our new hosts.

968
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, sneaky negative, really sneaky negative.

969
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always been that sneak.

970
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: I don't think you're sneaking about it.

971
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: He's a you know, we had a great time. Mike

972
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 5: and I were like, finally it was like the middle

973
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: of the fourth corner. We're like, seriously, it's not nineteen

974
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 5: ninety one anymore.

975
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: I looked at me at one point, I'm like, it's

976
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: a roller coaster with you.

977
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 5: The last twenty five years even happened.

978
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: He's always waiting for the other shoot. Oh always, He's

979
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: very he's a he watches the scared.

980
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 4: No he has Oh yeah, he has very much.

981
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: Oh watches I like that fourteen thirteen that you know

982
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: they're gonna lose fourteen thirteen field goals sixty, They're gonna

983
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 5: lose seventeen sixty.

984
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: It's like my dad, he's the same way. Speaking of

985
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, the Patriots had a drop back for

986
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett, a seven step drop from under center without

987
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: play action. I have not seen that since nineteen ninety one.

988
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: I was shocked.

989
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: I was like, what is going.

990
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 5: On any of the Sunday Night game A little bit? Yeah,

991
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 5: So Stafford throws a pick in the end zone the

992
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: end of the half. There was like twelve seconds left

993
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 5: in the half, and that meat head had Jared Goff

994
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 5: drought back like one of those five to seven step drops,

995
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 5: get blindsided by Jared Verse and somehow.

996
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: Hold onto the ball.

997
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 5: Like they came a whisker away from something that would

998
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 5: have been talked about for the entire season, like if

999
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 5: he gets stripsacked and the Rams end up getting points

1000
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: on a play like that? Like what an unbelievably boneheaded play. Now,

1001
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: evidently Jamison Williams was wide open or had single coverage

1002
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: on the side.

1003
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 4: Who cares risk reward?

1004
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not a big fan of seven

1005
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: step drops from under center, A lot of steps like

1006
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: if you're if you remember what, if you're gonna play

1007
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: an action off of it, then I'm a little bit

1008
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: more on board. But no, there's no offense in the

1009
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: NFL anymore that does seven step drop for Why why

1010
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 3: did they do it? Were they trying to head to No,

1011
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: they weren't even trying to do that. They just ran

1012
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 3: like a hooper, ran like over the ball.

1013
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: It was very odd.

1014
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to Susan and Tennessee. Hey Susan, Hey guys,

1015
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: long time listener.

1016
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 9: And I've been to a few Bengals games. Actually, you know,

1017
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 9: I've seen everybody they've had except for Joe Burrow play

1018
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 9: and I went to LUSU so I want to see

1019
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 9: Joe's home. That's the game Sunday, and the one thing

1020
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 9: I couldn't believe is how well the Patriots wrapped up tackles.

1021
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 9: I've been watching a long time, and I thought it's

1022
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 9: been several years since we've seen such wrapping up on

1023
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 9: the tackles. I mean, I'm not a football guy like Evan,

1024
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 9: but I've got eight sons that watched a lot of balls. Wow,

1025
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 9: I have not seen that in a long time. And

1026
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 9: I wanted to give kudos to stop in those guys

1027
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 9: after any kind of movement, And also thought the Bengals

1028
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 9: were sorely missing Joe Mixon. And also I want you

1029
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 9: guys to talk about how Tom Brady did because I'm

1030
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 9: a fan girl.

1031
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: Take it off there, come back, come back on.

1032
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: We talked about the very last We all agree that

1033
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: the tackling was sure, yeah, you know they it was.

1034
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 5: Jonathan Jones play on the fourth down.

1035
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: It was ridiculous.

1036
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he comes seventeen yards on that place.

1037
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like just when you froze it, where they were

1038
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: when he caught the ball and where Jones was.

1039
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 5: How many times do you see, you know, during an

1040
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 5: NFL week when you're just watching the games, he plays

1041
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 5: like that and a guy shoots a gap or he

1042
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 5: fights through you know, it's a quick play, fights through

1043
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: the wash. He gets there, but it's so hard to

1044
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: get the guy on, Like the initial contact is there,

1045
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 5: he doesn't get the help, and a guy ends up

1046
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 5: scuirting through and getting the first down. Like I've seen

1047
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 5: a million plays like John Nathan Jones getting there, but

1048
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 5: to get him on the ground, yeah, quick, just right there, veteran.

1049
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that I just wish and

1050
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: I will continue to fight the good fight for you,

1051
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones, Like the national recognition should be much higher

1052
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: for him, Like he's been a legitimately great corner for

1053
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: like four or five years.

1054
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: He just doesn't get the stats like a lot of

1055
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: you know.

1056
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's inside outside, he plays a little safety.

1057
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: He tackles well, he's fast, like he can cover. He's

1058
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: the best guy at covering Tyree Kill in the league,

1059
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: Like nobody covers him better than than Jonathan Dons Police Jones.

1060
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: And also he's elite at answering press conference questions just

1061
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: quick bang, like two sentences direct to the point out.

1062
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: They have a couple of guys like that on defense,

1063
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: who you know, I think Tova is starting to get

1064
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more pub you know him uh t

1065
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: vay Uh. Just these lunch pale guys that are just

1066
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: such solid, fundamentally sound football players, but they just wrong

1067
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: middle Yeah, good good defenders.

1068
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: All right, my foods here? Paul still on.

1069
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: Seven minutes again to say something negatives.

1070
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,360
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Speaker 13: Only, Bob soci Wick Scott Zolach, It's great to have

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00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 13: you with us. It's a hera for this new England

1116
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 13: Patriots franchise takes a head high staff. He drops back

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00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 13: of the format run. Pressure coming falls at them when

1118
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 13: the ball comes loose. As Pearl goes down, they have

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00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 13: to penetrate Keyon White and the second year defensive lineman

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Speaker 13: out of Georgia Tech, forcing Pearl to step up. He

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Speaker 13: lost in the hand, although the Bengals recovered while absorbing

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Speaker 13: a loss of three.

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Speaker 14: That's excellent pressure here coming down with the back of

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00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 14: the pocket. That's what you gotta do. Pop one of these.

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00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 4: Out on Pearls.

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00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 13: The Bengals crowd the line. His percent bulls weight gives

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Speaker 13: to Stevenson. Hop Life go runs past an arm tacko hang,

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Speaker 13: winning right to the thirty five forty on a stiff

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Speaker 13: arm and Roen Modre continues the stiff arm gribbing out

1130
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Speaker 13: of mounds. Eventually as he sent Gino Stone, the safety

1131
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 13: for Cincinnati, to the turf with a stiff left hand.

1132
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 14: It's the Lake counter to the right side. Good patience,

1133
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 14: excellent patience by Romandre Stevenson here to not rush this.

1134
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: He rushes this.

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00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 14: I think he's dead for two yards in the backfield,

1136
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 14: but he slides out that backside to.

1137
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: The right for fourteen yard right.

1138
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 13: Patriots moved with a third and goal to go just

1139
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 13: outside and three ahead. He said, three tight ends are in.

1140
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Speaker 13: He takes the hand up, he runs it through the

1141
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 13: right side. He's into the end zone. Touchdown Patriots.

1142
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 14: Phenomenal try eighty yards right down the field. Impeccable drive

1143
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 14: by Jacobe Present. Excellent decision making with the throws and

1144
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 14: then with the feet. I thought Jacoby was bigger with

1145
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 14: his feet than the throws. And of course coming off

1146
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 14: the ball going big there. Kate Wallas in the game

1147
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 14: back off, but Darry Lowe and he again run that

1148
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 14: counter between the tackles.

1149
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Armandre takes it in.

1150
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 13: That's a big ball snap by Kris from the right

1151
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 13: hash of the thirty seven Chase motions left.

1152
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: Girls looking that way.

1153
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 13: Watcher and Ukle Hoopy sacked and key On White was

1154
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 13: here at the quarterbacks beat with the first pan to

1155
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 13: the quarterback, but he had plenty of company.

1156
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 14: Keyo White got up under Trent Brown's pad level on

1157
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 14: that right side. It just took him and just absolutely

1158
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 14: throw him into the backfield.

1159
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: Claps the pocket onto.

1160
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 14: Joe Burrow again, no first stay out to Patriots off

1161
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 14: on three again defensively, that's a big shot dead snap.

1162
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 13: Curl stands in lone the throw back corner of wife

1163
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 13: for guess that he leaps, comes down in the frock

1164
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 13: pie line. He made the catch touchdown.

1165
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Hall of Crow.

1166
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: Call the throw covers us there.

1167
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 14: After reviewing the play early in his incomplete path.

1168
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 13: Turn officially a third down and eleven with Chase is

1169
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 13: to split to the left, rotates the snap, drafts back

1170
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 13: five man rush.

1171
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 14: Thrown in the narrow and it's dropped on the top's

1172
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 14: scooped up out of Hey Jones running down the right side.

1173
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 13: Ten to fifteen.

1174
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 14: Marcus Jones spun out of bounds on big lines.

1175
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 13: And the completion to Tanner Hudson, who was seemingly on

1176
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 13: his way to a score for Cincinnati is the ball

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00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 13: was not breathing.

1178
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 9: Big play.

1179
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: We've seen that time and time again. Play's not always

1180
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 4: dead at the goal line.

1181
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 14: We've been there in Pittsburgh before with the tight end.

1182
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 14: Paul comes out that Juju Smith, the fletching plays aren't

1183
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 14: dead near the goal line. This is great hustled by

1184
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 14: Dugger to get the ball up.

1185
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 13: Kyle Dugger from behind, came down with a Ryan hand

1186
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 13: and want to play. Slap the ball away from Tanner, Hudson,

1187
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 13: Jacoby lifta throws back in the pocket. He's under pressures.

1188
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 13: It's going to be hinterceptube hard and complay.

1189
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: My god.

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00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 13: There was a defender there along with Hunter, Henry. I

1191
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 13: thought a tightly underthrown ball. It appeared alas to be

1192
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 13: an interception. Henry eventually came away with the football. I

1193
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 13: say it is an incomplete pass.

1194
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 14: No SATs, no holy calls, no interceptions. He didn't get

1195
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 14: all this into it. No, it's off the back foot

1196
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 14: throwing up for grabs.

1197
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 6: Sort of bets his worst.

1198
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: Decision of the day.

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Speaker 13: The right footed kit who was a high climbing kick,

1200
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 13: back pedaling all the way to the ten yard line

1201
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 13: under it to run with the stunner stuff across the

1202
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 13: fifteen of the twelve. The ball is used Don slimming

1203
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 13: out of for the Patriots as Jolin Hawkins hop on

1204
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 13: the forrest on.

1205
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: A punt return Hamberden.

1206
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 13: He flares at right flat. Catcher's made and running to

1207
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 13: the right yo soa wah is brought down close to

1208
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 13: the first down line. Again he's short. He's shackle in

1209
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 13: the open field for the Patriots. New England with a

1210
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 13: stop that Jonathan Jones, the veteran defensive bat for the Patriots,

1211
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 13: letting a celebration.

1212
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 14: That's all.

1213
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 13: That's an excellent play with Yossi Vash making the catch

1214
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 13: in the flat him out of a pistol barrel, takes

1215
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 13: the snap of gifted Moss, runs it through the right

1216
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 13: side and skip but he dives into the zone, falling

1217
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 13: forward for a touchdown. Cincinnati.

1218
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 4: It's a good draft for the Bengals.

1219
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 13: He takes the staff on thirty ten. He's back in

1220
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 13: the pocket, hits holding now he backs up and flips

1221
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 13: it underneath catch by Moss. It's a round and it

1222
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 13: brought down at the fifteen yard line. Pay three got

1223
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 13: a hurried to the football.

1224
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 4: They got a kid.

1225
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 13: Dugger along with Gonzales from Bentley there with attack over

1226
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 13: log of peppers all way from over, long way from

1227
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 13: over two thirty eight.

1228
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 14: You've got the two minute warning and you still have

1229
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 14: all three timeouts.

1230
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: If for Cincinnati they have to kick here turns.

1231
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 13: And gives it to Stevens and give him a moderate.

1232
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 13: To give him a moderate, starts right, that's it back

1233
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 13: and he's gonna nearly step away from ext but he

1234
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 13: picks up a first down on the lesser he gets

1235
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 13: to the Cincinnati forty four.

1236
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 14: Put them in a bubble rap. See you next Sunday

1237
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 14: with Seattle at home. The Orange Sea is dumping out

1238
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 14: who they.

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Speaker 9: Thy Tilker.

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00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: For Patriots unfiltered it is Paul Evan Duce, myself, Matt Nabooth.

1241
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: We're talking about the Patriots, and you know, just a

1242
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: great start to the twenty twenty four.

1243
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: So I'm sure you could ask for a whole lot

1244
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 4: more than that.

1245
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: You can't, obviously, maybe some passing yard No, like I

1246
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: was gonna.

1247
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 5: Say, obviously, you know, we would have loved to have

1248
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 5: seen them score like thirty eight points.

1249
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 4: They don't have that in them.

1250
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: But the thing is, they don't.

1251
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 6: Have that personnel.

1252
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: They made it look easy, correct, and it's easy to drink.

1253
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 2: It's easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor

1254
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots.

1255
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 6: And how you make those reads look Paul?

1256
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: Are you looking for something to do before a kickoff?

1257
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: This is always looking for something new to do before kickoffs?

1258
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 2: Then why not get your living room game ready by

1259
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: playing Bob's Discount Furniture Dare to Compare challenge.

1260
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: I never thought of it.

1261
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: When you're Dare to Compare Bob's Renegade Motion Sofa with

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00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: the competition, you get customizable, modular design, Bobble pedic power,

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Speaker 2: reclining seats, charging ports in plenty of storage for hundreds

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Speaker 2: less than other brands. Now that's a winning play. So

1265
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: stop in and see how much you can save when

1266
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 2: you Dare to Compare with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official

1267
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: furniture store of the New England Patriots. I I just

1268
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: picture Paul on yeah, on the Renegade Motion Sofa and

1269
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: it kind of goes berserk. It's like this watching the

1270
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: game and he Diepepsi's all over the place, is like, oh.

1271
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: Poor guy, I thought. I don't like when people make

1272
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 4: from of my paw. I was just gonna say, can

1273
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: we talk about a CORP four getting pulled that quick?

1274
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 4: Did he get did he? This is? This is terrible.

1275
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: You're getting out of their Vadarian Low is still hurt.

1276
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 4: Get in there, Verdarian Low and hang on tight because

1277
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: we can't afford to put a core four in and

1278
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: left tackle. I mean, is this is that experiment over

1279
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 4: you think.

1280
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: He let up three pressures in six pass bocking snaps

1281
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 3: and then was pulled from the game. It was their

1282
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: left tackle situation wasn't competitive throughout the entire game. Uh,

1283
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, Trey Hendrickson just had his way with whoever

1284
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: was over there. I thought it was interesting that they

1285
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: didn't really leave the tight end over there chip or

1286
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: do anything to help them out either on some of

1287
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: those plays. But that I think is part of the

1288
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: reason why I'm like a little bit more pessimistic than

1289
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 3: than maybe the panel here is just because they don't

1290
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: have a left tackle, like they know that that was

1291
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: not good enough in any stretch of the imagination. And

1292
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 3: every week there's gonna be an edge rusher that they're

1293
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: gonna go up against that can do that. You know,

1294
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 3: this week it's Boie Mafi. You had nine pressures last

1295
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: week against the Broncos, and then you know week forwards

1296
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: you got Nick Bosa and the Jets have you know,

1297
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: all their dudes, Like it's just gonna keep coming and

1298
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: coming and coming, and that that's a real concern for

1299
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: this team.

1300
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 5: So I would say, as we move forward in the

1301
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 5: show here, like if we're talking about down the road, yeah,

1302
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 5: then there's some concerns, yes, because the offensive performance isn't

1303
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 5: gonna be good enough.

1304
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: To get it done most weeks.

1305
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 5: But I'm just talking about what they did on Sunday,

1306
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 5: and I'm you know, not taking it to the fred

1307
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: level where I'm proud of them. But I think the

1308
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 5: first game of the year, I made this comment. I

1309
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 5: was talking to my buddy Mike Greece earlier. Right, there's

1310
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 5: no such thing as perfect, right, You're always trying to

1311
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 5: be perfect. But I don't recall a single practice that

1312
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: they had that few amount of mistakes that I saw

1313
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 5: on Sunday with the lights on in the first game

1314
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: of the Mao era. Like again, I know they made

1315
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 5: a lot of mistakes that probably didn't show up to me.

1316
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 6: Evn't just said in six pass reps.

1317
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 5: A corps four got beaten three times. Like, so those

1318
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 5: are mistakes, right, Yeah, but I watched every practice, every

1319
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 5: training camp practice, and there was a litany of mistakes

1320
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: every day. They didn't have a lot of those that

1321
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 5: were just like glaring for you to see, Like, what

1322
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 5: do they have five penalties in the game? Two of

1323
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 5: those at least on defense?

1324
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 3: They had no.

1325
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: Egregious twelve men on the field or you know, those

1326
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: coaching penalties a lot of you know, they had.

1327
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 5: I think they had one pre snat. I think they

1328
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 5: have one fat pre snap.

1329
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: No one was lined up in the backfield, although I'm

1330
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: watching these other games and the reps are inconsistent with

1331
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: that because I see guys lined up far at least

1332
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: as much as uh, you know, in that last preseason game.

1333
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: And so I don't know what they're judging this on.

1334
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: Well so far, what I've seen is it's the hockeyley crew,

1335
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 5: because they had the hockeyley crew for Washington and then

1336
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 5: they had the opener and and they called it just

1337
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 5: like they did in the Washington game.

1338
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the league has to step in and do something

1339
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: about that. I think it's just not right. You can't

1340
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: have one squad calling it that way.

1341
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: So I know you guys want to talk a little

1342
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: bit about some of the other games too, Like we

1343
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 5: got a chance to see those two kickoff games, you know, the.

1344
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 6: Thursday and Friday.

1345
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was really worried for what you were

1346
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 5: talking about, just the amount of flags. And by the way,

1347
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 5: Brazil not ready to host a game. But that's that's

1348
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 5: just the field conditions alone. They're just like playing on

1349
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 5: a skating rink. But the the amount of flags, I

1350
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 5: was like, this is not It's not gonna be one

1351
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 5: of those years where they're gonna come out and they're

1352
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 5: gonna throw every flag for like four or five weeks

1353
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 5: and then try to force everybody to conform. But then

1354
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 5: it wasn't like that on Sunday, thank god. Yeah, Like

1355
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 5: the Thursday and Friday games were especially the Friday game

1356
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 5: was way too many penalties.

1357
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: So that it was interesting. There were a couple blatant

1358
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 4: hip drops and the one in Buffalo game too that

1359
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: Josh Allen was apoplectic about. That They don't they don't

1360
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 4: seem to be point of emphasizing that one like that

1361
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: one just seems to be well.

1362
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: I also just don't feel like That's such a tough

1363
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: one to officiate to me because you have to like

1364
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: really know totally.

1365
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 4: But those ones though were like I like, I totally

1366
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: agreed like that coming in, but like these ones were

1367
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: that's it right there. It's so clear as day. You know,

1368
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 4: it's got what it's like, wrap them up, drop the

1369
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: hips and you know, go into the legs. But I

1370
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 4: don't know, it's just it's how they're.

1371
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 5: Gonna callboy Josh protecting himself as as always.

1372
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: So maybe if we about this like these are these

1373
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 4: are some douce thoughts, some pretty hurt is Josh Allen

1374
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: gonna have to take this whole thing onto himself again

1375
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 4: because that's seems like the direction it's coming. Pointing.

1376
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 6: They didn't let him the other day.

1377
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 5: I mean, Joe Brady just said, you know, you throw

1378
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 5: the ball when I tell you you have like twenty passes,

1379
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 5: attempted more passes.

1380
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, window closing in Buffalo, Well they won.

1381
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: He scored four touchs. I mean he almost broke his

1382
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: hand though, and like I mean, you know, it's like, yeah,

1383
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 4: sustainable maybe like going on to the yeah, like hurtling over.

1384
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: No, he's had help this this season. It's going to

1385
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: be all on his shoulders.

1386
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: He's going to get hurt, just like it was n

1387
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 5: you're predicting an injury, yes, okay, that's so much like

1388
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 5: the Jets downfall will be because of an injury.

1389
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 6: Sure, So that's two teams we're hoping.

1390
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: They get hurt.

1391
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: I don't know the Jets to meet Aaron Rodgers is on,

1392
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 3: is on washed watch for me. That's like last night.

1393
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 3: I was a little concern there, like he can still there,

1394
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: he can still feather it.

1395
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: Oh, he still kept the arm.

1396
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's got the drive. I don't

1397
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 3: know if he can't the old driver.

1398
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think he's too excited about extending plays,

1399
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: you know.

1400
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't think he has the ability to do

1401
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 5: that like you did. I mean, he's coming off of

1402
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 5: torn achilles. That's not a significant injury.

1403
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 3: It's a little old to me.

1404
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: It just it just looks like he's got Garret Wilson

1405
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: and Briestall. I mean, I'm sure, like I respect what

1406
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 4: they have.

1407
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: But so you attacked.

1408
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: You got to get Mike Williams involved.

1409
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: You attacked a head as what's what is New Orleans defensive?

1410
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: Coiners said back then, Greg Williams. Greg Williams to the head.

1411
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't do that.

1412
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 5: I like the new Jets uniforms better than those other

1413
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: ones they just got off of. But them Rogers and

1414
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 5: Wilson got these long sleeves.

1415
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 4: It looks like clearly down here again.

1416
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson looked like what is this? He looked at

1417
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: you like he had like Taekwon. Thornton was confused.

1418
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 5: He was seventeen, right, he changed his number. Wilson went

1419
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 5: to five five, he was seventeen.

1420
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 7: No.

1421
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: I was confused by that at first two and like

1422
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 4: the team was on there fire line, like what's going on?

1423
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 5: But I watched the I was telling Mike, I watched

1424
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 5: the first drive and I had I told you I

1425
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 5: had Garrett Wilson last year on my team, and four

1426
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 5: plays into the season, I was like, that's what I

1427
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 5: was thinking, right, It was like Garrett Wilson, Garrett Wilson,

1428
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: San Francisco much said, picked it right back, going to

1429
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 5: make someone else beat us?

1430
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Baltimore Kansas City, good game, two good teams.

1431
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna see each other again. Probably.

1432
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: I mean, Mahomes is awesome. It's just that's it. But

1433
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 4: I just I would say the same thing about Lamar

1434
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: that I would say on Josh Allen. It's like, all

1435
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I just I got to do it

1436
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: all myself. Guys. You know he's just throwing to what's

1437
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 4: his face from Boston College.

1438
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 5: I still don't see him operating traditionally enough. Like I

1439
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 5: think he's great. I think Lamar Jackson is really great,

1440
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 5: but so many of those runs just scrambles where he's

1441
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 5: not finding someone, and he almost I mean it almost worked.

1442
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 5: I mean he kept the team in the game. He

1443
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: was great in the game, but then at the end

1444
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 5: he missed a couple open guys. What do you guys

1445
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: feel the big storyline that was what the two guys

1446
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 5: throw for over three hundred yards this week?

1447
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: Was that what the final number was? It was something

1448
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 4: like that.

1449
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really low.

1450
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: One of them was my guy, and the league is

1451
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: better with Baker Mayfield.

1452
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did have a good game.

1453
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1454
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: The passing in general, I should say, you know, as

1455
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: much as I picked on the Patriots passing game, the

1456
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: passing games in general across the league were pretty poor

1457
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: league wide, and some of it has to relate to

1458
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 3: the fact that these guys don't do anything anymore in

1459
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: the summer, you know, and there's no preseason reps anymore

1460
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: for these guys, and like the passing game is all timing.

1461
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 4: You know.

1462
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 5: What was funny is we had Jeff Hobson on in

1463
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 5: the pregame from Cincinnati Bengals dot Com, and he said

1464
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: that Burrow actually did play in the preseason, which is rare,

1465
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 5: Like he hasn't done anything in the po he's been hurt. Yeah,

1466
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 5: but now I think it was the first game and

1467
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 5: then they went they went one series, They went right

1468
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 5: down the field like an eighty yard drive for a touchdown,

1469
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 5: and everything looked great. But he looked like he hadn't

1470
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 5: played at all. And a lot of these other guys

1471
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 5: that didn't get many reps. I mean, obviously Rogers didn't

1472
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 5: get any. He comes out first, drive right down the

1473
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 5: field and then did nothing the rest of the game.

1474
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think we'll get to a place where,

1475
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: like we go down to two preseason games and the

1476
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: starters play, like, maybe not the whole game, but both games.

1477
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 5: Would want to see my starts on the field.

1478
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 4: But then they're gonna have to be You're gonna have

1479
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 4: to be okay, with them being off for a couple

1480
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 4: of weeks.

1481
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean the Patriots.

1482
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 6: So let me just say this one.

1483
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: This game kind of because of how they handled Okay.

1484
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 6: But you just spent the previous hour saying how bad

1485
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 6: the offense was.

1486
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 5: The passing game? Yeah, sure, like they played. The offense

1487
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 5: was bad. The offense is, you know, coming out of

1488
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 5: the gate slow.

1489
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 4: The running numbers were huge across the league. Yeah right.

1490
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 5: I mean I think I saw a stat today that

1491
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 5: it was like the highest average rushing total per team

1492
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 5: and like over over a decade.

1493
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: Or something like that. So does that change Detroit? Detroit

1494
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 4: ran it right down.

1495
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: I think teams are daring other teams to run.

1496
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 4: I agreed.

1497
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 6: I think that's what it is.

1498
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1499
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: I think you're seeing so many of these two high

1500
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: safety shells, you know, Fangio style defenses where you're too

1501
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: high and you're rotating in and out of it after

1502
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: the snap, and they just don't have the numbers in

1503
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: the box and they're just saying run the ball, like

1504
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: you're if you're going to run the ball, even if

1505
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: you run it well, like the Patriots said, you're still

1506
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: only going to score sixteen points. So at the end

1507
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: of the day, We're still going to be in the

1508
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 3: game even if you run it well.

1509
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 5: And I think that might be something where your whole

1510
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 5: starter is playing in the preseason comes into play because

1511
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 5: now it's physical. You're getting worn down, you're missing tackles,

1512
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 5: you know, and maybe some of those rushing totals are

1513
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 5: getting inflated because guys aren't ready to deal with that physicality.

1514
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: Definitely didn't seem like the Bengals defenses period.

1515
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty three guys to a man.

1516
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: The rise up the Atlanta Falcons will be delayed at

1517
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: least a week.

1518
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one tough one.

1519
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 4: So they did not play well.

1520
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: Arizona played pretty well in that game. I mean a

1521
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: lot of people said they got dominant sleep on the Cardinals,

1522
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: but they're gonna be able to score some points this year.

1523
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 3: That some of the Marvin Harrison junior tape.

1524
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: Was, oh yes, yeah, people are down.

1525
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 3: Not good.

1526
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: Tough to see. They get Miami come back and beat Jacksonville.

1527
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: I thought Jacksonville they was it seventeen nothing. They started

1528
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: the game in fourteen nothing. Yeah, then Miami came back.

1529
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 5: Flow was down seventeen I think no, Chicago was down

1530
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 5: seventeen nothing.

1531
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: CJ. Stroud looking good. Joe think last year was a fluke,

1532
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, so he's gonna be good.

1533
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 4: What I'm a blanket on the receiver's name, Nico Collins.

1534
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: Another monster game from him, and then Tank Dell's back too,

1535
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 4: and they look like. That's the thing that stood out

1536
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 4: to me. And I mean I kind of said a

1537
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 4: tongue in cheek after the Baltimore and Kansas City game,

1538
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 4: but it was like, man, these teams just have so

1539
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 4: many options with speed across the roster, and it's if

1540
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 4: it's not that guy, it's this guy. And that I

1541
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: think is just what the Patriots are trying to build

1542
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: towards that.

1543
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: In the Kansas City game too, I mean that.

1544
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 4: That guy jeezs shot out of a cannon.

1545
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I have a take that might be a

1546
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 5: little different. And you talked about that Houston game. I'm

1547
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 5: a little higher on the Colts than some people. I

1548
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 5: think they showed why I feel like that. I think

1549
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 5: that division is underrated. The AC self has a bad

1550
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 5: team in Tennessee. I think the other three teams are

1551
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 5: pretty good now. I don't know if there's a super

1552
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 5: Bowl team in the division as a matter of fact,

1553
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 5: I would say it's probably not. But I think Houston,

1554
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 5: Indy and Jacksonville are pretty good.

1555
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough outs for every game they play.

1556
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 5: Throw by Richardson was just I think was off balance,

1557
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 5: Like just did you see it? What'd you think of it?

1558
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: Of their throw?

1559
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 4: Ridiculous?

1560
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 5: Did you think it was fluky?

1561
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: No?

1562
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 5: I thought it was one of the greatest throws I've

1563
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 5: ever seen.

1564
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: Off his back foot sixty three yards and it's crazy.

1565
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 5: I was told by somebody that it was a Hail

1566
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: Mary and lucky fluke, a lucky fluke, And I'm like,

1567
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 5: I guess I just that's what made it so amazing.

1568
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 4: That's what it looked like. Maybe, but it wasn't.

1569
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 5: But he hit the guy like he wasn't just throwing

1570
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 5: that to anywhere, Like he like bought time and looked

1571
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 5: downfield and.

1572
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: Sought that guy.

1573
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 6: It was Alc Peterce, your.

1574
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: Guy, one of my guys.

1575
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: If he if he gets any sort of consistency to

1576
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: his game, because his game it was just something on

1577
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 3: nine like he's just got these splash plays like that

1578
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: thro that are crazy. But then the rest of it,

1579
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: it's just reminds me of Josh Allen a little bit

1580
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 3: early on.

1581
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: The Panthers are as advertised, probably they're probably the worst

1582
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 2: team in the league at least or the Giants stable

1583
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: on the hot seat.

1584
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 3: Going to say it's either them.

1585
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: Dable is being questioned. I could tell from what I

1586
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: saw those off season hard knocks he's not happy with

1587
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: his situation.

1588
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say, Joe Shane, I'm like, I

1589
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: started seeing people like, I don't know about this, Joe Shank,

1590
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, I could have told you. I want to say,

1591
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 4: hard knocks, Like he just doesn't seem like they got

1592
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 4: everybody pull in the same direction.

1593
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 3: Yea, or just like he doesn't seem like locked in.

1594
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 4: Joe Shane, like.

1595
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 2: He's going to be a lot of finger pointing coming.

1596
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: We'll just sign another running back and then one has

1597
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 3: three touchdowns.

1598
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: Huh.

1599
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick the next head coach of the Giants, he

1600
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 5: could be.

1601
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean, any of these teams like that think they're close.

1602
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: Although Daniel Jones, I don't see how close full rebuild.

1603
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 2: I like, if Buffalo lost this game last week and

1604
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: they continue to lose, I could see Buffalo putting, you know,

1605
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: ra A on the hot seat and I could see

1606
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: them wanting Belichick building a new stadium. They need the marketing.

1607
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: It's a short term fix. You're close with Josh Allen.

1608
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 6: I thought I thought the window was closed.

1609
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: No, but if Belichick comes, you open it up again.

1610
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 5: But so they're not close. What so they're not close?

1611
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: They are close, But as long as you have Josh Allen,

1612
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: we're closed. But the windows closing because they're going to

1613
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: put it all on him. They got nothing else and

1614
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: they're not going to do it this.

1615
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 4: Year the windows.

1616
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 5: So the coach shouldn't go anywhere because they don't have

1617
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 5: any ability to do games.

1618
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 4: But they're going to be putting it all.

1619
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: They would bring in bill for the marketing.

1620
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 5: You can't the window can't be closed and the coaches

1621
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 5: on the hot seat. You can't have both of those.

1622
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 5: I think mcdermot's on the hot talking about personally, I

1623
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 5: think the windows wide open, and if the coach doesn't

1624
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 5: win games, he might.

1625
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: What you say, but I think both can be true.

1626
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 5: How it's not his fault that they lost all their players? Well,

1627
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 5: I mean it is what it is, that's not the GM.

1628
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: But they can also look why why haven't why haven't

1629
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: we wanted to date.

1630
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 5: Well, that's on him. But right now, if you if

1631
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 5: you think the windows closed, it's not on the coach.

1632
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think I think that if they don't.

1633
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 5: I think that you if they don't do it done.

1634
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: There, Like I think that Bill could be in play

1635
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: because of their situation. They're close and you know they've

1636
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: got Josh Allen and they're building a new stadium.

1637
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 5: They're not close according to you. You think the window

1638
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:57,520
Speaker 5: is closed.

1639
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: The window was closed. They're not going to do it,

1640
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: but they should be, Like, they should be close. That's

1641
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: the point. They should be closed.

1642
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 5: But the rest but they let a lot of personnel

1643
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 5: go in the off season because they're resetting. It's a

1644
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 5: little bit of a two thousand and nine ten Patriots.

1645
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 5: They could be over and Buffalo. You can keep pretending

1646
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 5: it it ain't.

1647
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: They could be resetting with Bill Belichick all they're.

1648
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 6: Doing right now.

1649
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 3: I would not want that.

1650
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 4: If I was a Bill Well, I would sign up

1651
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 4: for like Bill Belichick doing a p S a halo

1652
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: for like PSLs and like trying to sell seats in

1653
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 4: the stadium and like, Hi, I'm Bill Belichick and a

1654
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 4: new head coach of the Bell.

1655
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do that. Those fans would go crazy.

1656
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: If you don't want to go you don't think that,

1657
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: you don't think so.

1658
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 5: No, there's no party scene because I think that's kind

1659
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 5: of like starting again. I wouldn't want to do that.

1660
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to defensive minded coach with Josh Allen.

1661
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: No way, Well you have a dator bring back tables.

1662
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, bring the band.

1663
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 4: Back tables oc Bill Coke.

1664
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm just saying I kind of like

1665
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 5: that a little bit more than you.

1666
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of like it. My good job?

1667
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: Is he changing his name to the washed Watson because

1668
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: he's washed?

1669
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 6: So there's another allegation against him.

1670
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's four years old.

1671
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 5: But still Cleveland's going to get there out yeah, yep, yeah, Cleveland's.

1672
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 4: Going to get there right. This is what's going to happen.

1673
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,919
Speaker 2: I read the secret probation.

1674
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 5: If it's as bad as people have explained it to me,

1675
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 5: he's going to be out lf. This is going to

1676
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 5: be something else that wasn't disclosed to them.

1677
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 7: Ye.

1678
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 6: And my guess is that that they got contract.

1679
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 5: I thought there were times the other day like, first

1680
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 5: of all, I don't care who was playing quarterback against

1681
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 5: Dallas on Sunday.

1682
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 4: Dallas was dominant defensively, part lines, especially.

1683
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: Tom Brady circle Michael Parsons in the broadcast quite a few.

1684
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 3: That's an easy one.

1685
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,440
Speaker 2: Every time he did, he'd make a play.

1686
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wish that he would actually tell me

1687
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 5: something that was happening about about We'll get to that,

1688
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, I thought, I don't think Watson looked good

1689
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 5: in the game by any means, but I didn't necessarily

1690
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 5: look at it. If he wasn't been, if he hasn't

1691
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: been so thoroughly average since he went to Cleveland, I

1692
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 5: don't I wouldn't be overly concerned. But I'm very concerned

1693
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 5: if I'm a Browns fan, because it looks the same.

1694
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he got killed the other day.

1695
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: There's some there's some whispers about that whole situation that

1696
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski is just not very pleased with the fact

1697
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 3: that he has to hitch his wagon to Sean Watson.

1698
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 3: And they felt offensively that they were better with the

1699
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks that they have been playing with, you know,

1700
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 3: Perssette Joe.

1701
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 5: Flacco's system is not conducive to watson skill. Yeah, and

1702
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 5: then that when Alex van Pelt got fired. Yeah, and

1703
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 5: I would say it now, if they're going to try

1704
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 5: to run that system, that's not getting the most out

1705
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,440
Speaker 5: of him. Now you take away the tackles the other day.

1706
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 6: That like both of them didn't play right.

1707
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what happens when you play a good defensive

1708
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 5: front and you have that's all backups up front.

1709
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was great to see the Jets lose.

1710
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: It was just great. But now they're they're they're different.

1711
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Iraq playing all right, McCaffrey out though,

1712
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 5: But I just I can't believe Brock pretty like, I

1713
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 5: like he's a pretty good quote watch him, I hate

1714
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 5: watching him and like.

1715
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: He just makes plays.

1716
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 3: But still on that stand on Brock pretty he's not

1717
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: a good quarterback, I would say he's not good. He's

1718
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 3: mid very average.

1719
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 2: He's a good quarterback.

1720
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 4: That's another turn that based off of throw that he makes.

1721
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 4: The guys just streaking through a wide open zone and

1722
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 4: he you know, and I honestly like, I honestly think

1723
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 4: Paul could play first, Kyle Shanahan and tro for two fifty.

1724
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: I think you're underrating Brock.

1725
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 3: Do they run the thirty two he's good at what

1726
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 3: he does. I don't think he does anything to elevate

1727
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: that offense. I think he's a fact. I think he

1728
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: reads the field well, and I think he's accurate. But

1729
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 3: in terms of like actually making a play, I don't

1730
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: think he does a single thing.

1731
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: That helps that often.

1732
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 5: I would say he's a little better than Evan makes

1733
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 5: him out to be, but not a ton I wouldn't.

1734
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: I'm not putting anything.

1735
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 6: I don't compel to argue.

1736
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: If I was a forty nine, if I was a

1737
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: forty nine Er fan, I'd be very happy that brock

1738
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 2: Proty is my quarterback.

1739
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: If you were a forty nine Er fan, you would

1740
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: want them to pay him fifty million dollars a year.

1741
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 5: If you were a forty nine Ers fan, you would

1742
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 5: say to myself, if I had my homes, I would.

1743
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 4: I would have won for in a row.

1744
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all right, right over there, Let's get back

1745
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 2: to our listeners on the TPX hotline. Oh that's a

1746
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 2: that's a haunted mind.

1747
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 3: Get that fix.

1748
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: Seth is in Seattle. What's up, Seth? Are you jumping

1749
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: out of a plane?

1750
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 4: You're went boweling right now?

1751
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 15: Not driving here?

1752
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: I can think, Okay, better, Yes, much better.

1753
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 15: Gotcha. I just had a kind of a good question.

1754
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 16: I don't think, and I think you guys would agree

1755
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 16: with me, that the way we won this week is

1756
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 16: detainable throughout the year. But if it is, do you

1757
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 16: think that man has the stones?

1758
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 2: We lost you? You said, do you think that odd

1759
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: mail has the stones? But we don't know what to do?

1760
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 6: What something about Brissette?

1761
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: We lost you?

1762
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 6: Brissette was the last word I heard.

1763
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 4: All Right, Yeah, thank you, Matt.

1764
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: Sorry, Seth. Either call back or maybe you can even

1765
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: email to the front of the line if you can

1766
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: email us at web radio at pages dot com. Let's

1767
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: go to Todd, North Carolina. What's up Todd?

1768
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 17: Hey, guys, I just want to Paul. I know he

1769
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 17: likes to bust my balls, but he did a really

1770
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 17: nice thing for us in the post game. He basically

1771
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 17: reminded us that we can enjoy these wings. We don't

1772
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 17: have to say, oh my god, look they didn't they

1773
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 17: weren't good enough this, They weren't good enough that I'd

1774
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 17: just enjoy it.

1775
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 8: I think we've forgotten that.

1776
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 17: I think we've ben boiled a lot and we just

1777
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 17: don't remember to enjoy anythings. I just wanted to shout

1778
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 17: out Paul. That was the reason for call thanks guys.

1779
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 9: Rachel.

1780
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: Was that your your big message after the game, let's

1781
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: enjoy this?

1782
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 6: And I didn't hear most of what he said.

1783
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 5: I can't.

1784
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 4: I didn't understand he said.

1785
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: He said, like we've forgotten how to just enjoy games

1786
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 2: because we were spoiled. But now I think he said

1787
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: that after the game, you led that chant like let's

1788
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 2: just enjoy this and not worry about next week? Is

1789
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: was that your message to the fans, Mike, I don't know.

1790
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I don't remember you going to like

1791
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 4: camera one, and you know I didn't do it. I

1792
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 4: definitely didn't do fred. I think that's a free game.

1793
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 4: I did a fred.

1794
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 5: I asked for my one, okay, and I dressed addressed

1795
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 5: the camera.

1796
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 4: It's okay. He broke the wall.

1797
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 5: I would just say that my postgame show. And I

1798
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 5: was laughing with Mike as we were walking to the

1799
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 5: parking lot. I was like, I literally didn't have one

1800
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 5: negative thing to say, and I didn't have to like

1801
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 5: stretch it to avoid like I was really impressed and

1802
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 5: I understand everything long term, like the way I think

1803
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,560
Speaker 5: Todd said sustainable something like that. I totally agree with

1804
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 5: all of that, but on Sunday, maybe I just found

1805
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 5: it such a surprise that they played so efficiently and

1806
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 5: effectively that I was overlooking, you know, you know the

1807
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 5: warts that are obviously there. They only had sixteen points, and.

1808
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, one.

1809
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 2: Preseason was it was not good.

1810
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 5: And I even had and I have to be honest,

1811
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 5: like I even had some reservations defensively.

1812
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 6: And they were you know.

1813
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean I thought they had a bad defense.

1814
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 5: Which that was another comment that we got over the weekend, Like,

1815
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 5: and it wasn't directed to me. It was like the

1816
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 5: media in general, because you know, all the media for

1817
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 5: the most part picked Cincinnati in this game. So that

1818
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 5: means that what we saw in training camp was wrong, right,

1819
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 5: because the media doesn't know what they're watching. This is

1820
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 5: what those guys told us. There was a lot of

1821
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 5: that yesterday, a lot of blind yeah you know, but

1822
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 5: blaring blimbing because I picked the Bengals to win, Yeah

1823
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 5: I did. But the whole like notion that all the

1824
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 5: media that watched training camp practices doesn't know what they

1825
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 5: were talking about. They were wrong because they played I

1826
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 5: think at a level that they never ever showed it once,

1827
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 5: not one time before maybe, but before Sunday. They never

1828
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 5: looked like that for not even like half hour in

1829
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 5: training camp practice any of the preseason games.

1830
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: Certainly not the joint practice, the.

1831
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 6: Joint practice met against Boys.

1832
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's tough to tell you know about

1833
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: the Patriots defense because the offense has such a long

1834
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 3: way to go. That is the defense just dominating a

1835
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 3: bad offense in practice or his defense actually no.

1836
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 4: One's tackling defense.

1837
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 5: The defense was so good in the game on Sunday.

1838
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 5: I didn't expect it to be that good. Now, in retrospect,

1839
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 5: maybe I underestimated the personnel losses. I didn't think it

1840
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 5: would be that big of a deal because I thought

1841
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor might actually try to move the ball in

1842
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 5: a different way.

1843
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 6: He didn't.

1844
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Patriots game plan Covington like, this

1845
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 5: is the way he talked was the last Thursday we

1846
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 5: talked to him. Yeah, he talked a big game and

1847
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 5: he brought it, He backed it up. He was very confident.

1848
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 5: He came across to me as being very confident in

1849
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 5: what they were doing, and that absolutely came through with

1850
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 5: their game plan and their execution.

1851
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 6: On Sunday they were dominant.

1852
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: I do wonder how much to you know, this is

1853
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 3: one thing I want to keep in mind about this. Uh,

1854
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 3: their coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball

1855
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 3: had a ton of familiarity with this Bengals team from

1856
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 3: being in Cleveland. And I do wonder how much of

1857
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: that was a VP going into Covington's office and being like,

1858
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: these are the three things that they're going to try

1859
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 3: to do right.

1860
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 5: It's funny if that happened, a v P had a

1861
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 5: bigger impact on the defense than.

1862
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I excited.

1863
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,440
Speaker 6: That's that's plausible.

1864
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I I think it's possible that that

1865
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 3: is what happened. But I had concerns about the defense

1866
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 3: because of the players that they lost, you know, Judaan

1867
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: and bar Moore. But I I really didn't think that

1868
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 3: losing Bill was going to be that big of a

1869
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: deal on the defensive.

1870
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 4: Side of the ball. I did and in one week

1871
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 4: maybe somebody else can.

1872
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: I just think the biggest thing was that both these guys,

1873
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 3: Covington and Mayo have been learning from Bill for how

1874
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: long now, And I think that sometimes a younger and

1875
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 3: fresher set of on something can can actually make it better.

1876
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

1877
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 5: One thing I was worried about in that regard, though,

1878
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 5: was that how many times they kept telling us this

1879
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 5: is new, we're doing it different.

1880
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 4: Just do it.

1881
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 5: They did something that Bill would have done. That's the

1882
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 5: way that Bill would have done that. That's like, this

1883
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 5: is funny, We're going to get to this properly?

1884
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: Is doing it right? You know, you don't argue with success.

1885
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 5: The one i'd be very curious to see, and unfortunately

1886
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 5: Pat McAfee didn't. Didn't agree with us what Bill thought,

1887
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 5: what Bill's impressions were of the game, you know, And

1888
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 5: you know, Pat McAfee didn't ask any questions to Bill.

1889
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 5: I wonder how, I wonder why, so I I just

1890
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 5: would you know what Bill. My gut feeling is Bill

1891
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 5: would have been like, well, yeah, that's that's kind of

1892
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: what we all know. That's that's why we drafted Kyle Dugger.

1893
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 5: And you know, that's why I brought in Gabrill Peppers,

1894
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 5: you know, and you know those guys, the versatility they

1895
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 5: have back there. Jonathan Joseph perfect, But I drafted I'm

1896
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 5: really proud of the first. Yeah, like I think that

1897
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 5: that's I think he looks at a game like that,

1898
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah.

1899
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 6: I did that, Yeah, all those guys.

1900
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Lombardi already went on a tirade about

1901
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 5: two weeks ago about well they just all they did

1902
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 5: was retain all of the guys that were there.

1903
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's right though, like they I'm not

1904
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: saying he said that, but like this game plan was

1905
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: basically what they did in twenty two, except they just

1906
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: had Gonzales to when they wanted to man up against Chase,

1907
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: they had a guy that was better suited for that.

1908
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: But the rest of the buttons that they pressed were

1909
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 3: the same as the twenty twenty two match.

1910
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 4: My question is why why couldn't you get your team

1911
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 4: to do that anymore? Then, Like, why couldn't you get

1912
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 4: your team to play a special team's performance like they did?

1913
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 4: Answer special team that's coperate thing.

1914
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, the team.

1915
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 5: Well, I would say, like a couple of things that

1916
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 5: are you know, say, we're you know, we're getting into

1917
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 5: the second half of the show.

1918
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 6: So like I think we gave them their flowers.

1919
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so you said he had nothing negative.

1920
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't have anything negative to say about the team.

1921
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 5: This is about the reaction to the game that suddenly

1922
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 5: now okay, you know, it's like, well, they just played harder,

1923
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 5: Like did they not play hard against Philadelphia coming out

1924
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 5: of the gates last year? Of course when they had

1925
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 5: the ball at the end of the game with a

1926
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 5: chance to win, despite.

1927
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: They just played harder than they did last year.

1928
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't. They laid down for Bill.

1929
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

1930
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 5: They laid down for Bill and they're playing for Mayo.

1931
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 5: They weren't running through walls form like I thought they

1932
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 5: played really hard yesterday, I mean Sunday, and I thought

1933
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 5: to start the year. Last year, I thought they put

1934
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,959
Speaker 5: a really good effort against Philadelphia. They just were sloppy

1935
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 5: and turned the ball over and gave Philadelphia too many

1936
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 5: points for them to dig out of that hole. But

1937
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 5: I never felt like they stopped rowing the boat. I'm

1938
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 5: talking about in the Oprah, I'm not talking about for

1939
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 5: the season, you know. And a lot of people credited

1940
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 5: Bill with keeping them playing hard despite the record being

1941
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 5: what it was. They won two of their games down

1942
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 5: the stretch. I would argue with that a little bit.

1943
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 5: But against Philadelphia, I thought they played with a with

1944
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 5: a passion and you know, with a purpose, And suddenly

1945
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 5: now they're playing harder for this guy than they did

1946
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 5: that guy. Peppers had nothing believable. But what did he

1947
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 5: say about Belichick? Like he went on and on and

1948
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 5: on about playing for him.

1949
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 4: I don't know about the effort part of it, but

1950
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 4: it's just the proof is in the pudding. And like

1951
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 4: I feel like Bill should have looked at this game

1952
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 4: and been like, why couldn't I get this out of

1953
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 4: this team? Like it's not that different of a team.

1954
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 4: Why couldn't Why did?

1955
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 5: This is where it get But this is where it

1956
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 5: gets back to it, like the fine line why because

1957
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 5: last year it was one of those things where it's snowballed.

1958
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 5: The pass in the end zone would have been picked,

1959
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 5: not dropped. The fumble that Stevenson had would have been

1960
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 5: recovered by the Bengals not the Patriots. Like that's the

1961
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 5: fine line. Everything they did would have been the same,

1962
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 5: and they could have lost. They've had a hard time

1963
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 5: winning that game recently with Bill. I think they're zero

1964
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 5: to five the previous five games. If they didn't score

1965
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 5: twenty points or something like that, I saw it sounds right.

1966
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 3: I just feel like they they they did play that

1967
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 3: game though, like twenty twenty two was all that game.

1968
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 4: They just lost them?

1969
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they In twenty twenty two they won eight

1970
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 3: games playing that like that way?

1971
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 5: This is my I guess, this is what I'm pushing

1972
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 5: back at. And listen, it was time for Bill to go.

1973
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 5: There was nobody that had less interesting retaining Bill than

1974
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 5: me by the end. But that's how they wanted to

1975
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 5: win all the games. That's why I didn't want him

1976
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 5: here anymore. I don't think you can win consistently seventeen thirteen.

1977
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 5: That's what Bill wants to do. And they had a

1978
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 5: lot of games that played just the way that game

1979
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 5: it did on Sunday only they lost. Yeah, ten to seven, sure,

1980
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 5: ten to six, six, nothing like. There's a million games

1981
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 5: just like that.

1982
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: Bill in DC wants to know about the fumble about

1983
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: with Burrow, whether or not it should have been a fumble,

1984
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 2: and we were talking before the.

1985
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 4: FRED you had something on.

1986
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, no, I my career. I think the rule is

1987
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: that when a player gives himself up, even whether he

1988
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: slides feet first or head first, that as the moment

1989
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: he's touched, regardless of where, even if it's you know,

1990
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: the ball itself, that he down right.

1991
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 5: Well, I think the question would be does touching the ball?

1992
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 5: You know, there's that constitute being done.

1993
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 3: This ball part of the human right, and I.

1994
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 5: Think it is he was his knee was down when

1995
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 5: Bentley knocked the ball out. Therefore it's not a fumble.

1996
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 5: Now if he dives head first and just loses the

1997
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 5: ball on his own, I think that is a fumble.

1998
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Of course it is.

1999
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not contacted him.

2000
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: You yep. Jared in Vermont. I like the spot for

2001
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots against the Seahawks. We've got a good chance

2002
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: of being two and oh, and teams that start two

2003
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: and oh historically make the playoffs about seventy five percent

2004
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: of the time. Just saying let's go.

2005
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 3: I know we're not doing Seahawks today necessarily, but I

2006
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 3: just I'm not finger wagging anybody, but they're West Coast team.

2007
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: They usually play in that four o'clock when I don't

2008
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people around here like watch

2009
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: the Seahawks religiously. I don't know if that's going out

2010
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: on a limb by saying that, because like Seattle was

2011
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 3: basically a playoff team last year that missed out on,

2012
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 3: you know, the playoffs by a couple of bounces. Here

2013
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 3: or there. Yeah, and then the year before they were

2014
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and I don't know, like that Seahawks team,

2015
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: I think is a little bit better. I get that

2016
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 3: they're traveling west, you know, west to east and all

2017
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But I went and sleep on

2018
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: the Seahawks.

2019
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 4: You stack them up, I mean, they got they got

2020
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 4: talent all over them.

2021
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2022
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 5: So, yeah, they lack talent at the most important spot,

2023
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 5: and that's to me what holds them back. But the

2024
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 5: one o'clock thing, to me, it's the same as like, well,

2025
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 5: the Jets are gonna Jets it. Well, why well, you know,

2026
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 5: Anon Rodgers all get hurt. Okay, maybe he will, maybe

2027
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 5: he will, and that'll derail the season relying on the

2028
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 5: other team coming in the one o'clock window on the

2029
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 5: East Coast. But that's why we're gonna win, Okay. I

2030
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 5: wish we had something else like football.

2031
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: By the way, if somebody told me this morning, the

2032
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Seahawks and the forty nine ers have some of the

2033
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: best records going to the East Coast because both teams

2034
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: always come a day early.

2035
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 18: So.

2036
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 5: Come on Thursday Friday, because virtually all teams come on

2037
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 5: Friday from the West Coast.

2038
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's what That's what I was told.

2039
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll always had his team come in early and

2040
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 2: they had a really a decent record going to the.

2041
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 6: I don't have the numbers on it. It doesn't seem to.

2042
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 4: Me to be as big a deal as it used

2043
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 4: to be. Probably things like that.

2044
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: There's a big betting angle back in the day, right

2045
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 3: that the West Coast team coming east. But they have

2046
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 3: a Their defensive scheme with McDonald now is aggressive. They

2047
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 3: fly to the ball just like the Patriots do offensively,

2048
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 3: they have weapons, Like, that's not a team that oh

2049
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 3: it's a good spot. I don't really think it's a

2050
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 3: great spot.

2051
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: Can I get back to the Okay, hold on Seth?

2052
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 5: So it is like, yeah, hold on, let's go to Seth.

2053
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: All right, cpx houtline. Seth is back? What's up?

2054
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 15: So sorry about that?

2055
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 8: Us off.

2056
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 15: If we are you know, mid season, week nine, week

2057
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 15: ten or whatever, and we're you know, six two, seven

2058
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 15: to two, eight to two, whatever, do you think that

2059
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 15: Gerd Mayo has the backbone to fit in his like

2060
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 15: fate you season?

2061
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if it's yeah, if there if there's

2062
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,839
Speaker 2: six and two and they're winning games, you know, thirteen

2063
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: to ten, I think he would.

2064
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 5: I don't if there's six and two, he ain't taken percent.

2065
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: It's a hard move, hard move to make.

2066
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: But again, like, if the offense looks like it did

2067
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: yes on Sunday, how much better will it look with

2068
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 2: this first round pick?

2069
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 5: Well, how much worse could it look if he turns

2070
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 5: the ball over? Well, but that's like's not going to

2071
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 5: be putting him in because you.

2072
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: Think you I know, but you're putting him in because

2073
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 2: you think he's ready. So instead of scoring thirteen points,

2074
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 2: maybe he does have some turnovers, but you're scoring twenty eight.

2075
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,799
Speaker 4: You know, well, I mean, if you're a new defense

2076
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 4: is still good?

2077
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I hope you're right. I don't think you.

2078
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 5: I don't think there's anyway At eight and two he's

2079
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 5: making a quarterback chance. And then what happens if you

2080
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 5: go two and five with men missed the players?

2081
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, but that's the gamble.

2082
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 4: I just.

2083
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 3: It worries me a little bit that this is their

2084
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: their formula. And I know Paul talks about this a lot.

2085
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 3: I agree with him one hundred percent. The formula is

2086
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 3: he's coming out and telling the whole world. He says,

2087
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't give an f if I tell you that

2088
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 3: we're going to run the ball, we're running the ball. Okay,

2089
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: that that's fine. But if you're going to run the ball,

2090
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 3: then you want to be like one of these teams

2091
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 3: like the forty nine Ers that creates explosive plays off

2092
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 3: the running game, right, you know that's that's that's how

2093
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 3: the teams that run the ball a lot win the Lions,

2094
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, teams like that. He's also, you know,

2095
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 3: it seems like they're pretty content with the game that

2096
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett played on Sunday. Didn't turn the ball over,

2097
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 3: manage the situation, manage the spot, manage the game great,

2098
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Like how many games can you Realistically, I'm thrilled at

2099
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 3: they won on Sunday, But for me, I you know,

2100
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 3: I was there after the game playing ride home all that.

2101
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 3: We're onto Seattle now right like and you turn on

2102
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,879
Speaker 3: the tape with the Seahawks. They scored twenty six points

2103
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 3: against the Broncos last week, bo Nicks had the lowest

2104
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 3: total EPA in the league. He threw two picks. Was

2105
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 3: kind of terrible in the game.

2106
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 4: It was really bad. I watched a good pustion of

2107
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 4: that game.

2108
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 3: And and now you have these other teams coming in here,

2109
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 3: and it's just that's gonna be your plan. As We're

2110
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 3: gonna run the piss out of the ball, we're not

2111
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 3: gonna turn it over, we're not gonna beat ourselves, we're

2112
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 3: gonna play good defense, and we're gonna win sixty.

2113
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 5: I think they could They could win that that way

2114
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 5: again in this game, unless Seattle does something in the

2115
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 5: passing game that they haven't really seemed willing to do.

2116
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 6: That's why I think Kenneth Walker is huge in this game.

2117
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Kyle and pembroke right saying, if the Patriots are five

2118
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: hundred at the trade deadline and the T Higgins situation

2119
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: doesn't get better in Cincy, would you make a move

2120
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 2: for him or or are we still waiting on the

2121
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: offseason to.

2122
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 6: Not unless I can get a contract with them now, No, don'kay.

2123
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 4: With the draft with receivers, I just it's just it

2124
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 4: gets confirmed every year that people come out. It's you know, low,

2125
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 4: first round, second round, speed game changing kind of guys.

2126
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 4: And I just look at Kansas City and they don't

2127
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 4: They might never have to pay a wide receiver again.

2128
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 4: As long as they got Patrick Mahomes, just keep doing

2129
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 4: what you're doing, cycle them through every year, get a

2130
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 4: new one, work them into the system, and then when

2131
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 4: that guy wants to get paid, goodbye.

2132
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 2: You know.

2133
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the Kelsey part of it is

2134
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 5: is I would really like I think if if Worthy

2135
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 5: is you know, obviously it's one game, but if Worthy

2136
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 5: is good, BB and Rice is good, I would get

2137
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 5: those both of those guys signed.

2138
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even I wouldn't screw around. I don't.

2139
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 6: I don't think you could just get anybody to do it.

2140
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

2141
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 5: I wouldn't roll the dice. That's what Pittsburgh would do.

2142
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh would just let the guys go and just keep

2143
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 5: trying to fix it.

2144
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 4: That way. I just feel like the quarterback's the guy,

2145
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 4: and if you've got the quarterback, how sky make sure

2146
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 4: you got him?

2147
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 2: He was terrible.

2148
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,520
Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter like they're.

2149
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 5: Like they've tried like that. It's not every guy they've

2150
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 5: drafted high. Those guys were high draft picks, second round guys,

2151
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 5: and they didn't work.

2152
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 6: This didn't matter, did it matter for the the thing?

2153
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 5: Well, when those guys were second round picks, they still

2154
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 5: had Tyreek Hill, That's why it didn't matter. But they

2155
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 5: wanted these guys specifically, they wanted Hardman to replace tyreek Hill.

2156
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 5: It didn't work like Rashid Rice is good. That's why

2157
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 5: it's working.

2158
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 4: You're a guy, is my guy?

2159
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2160
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 2: And Jolly from Connecticut longtime listener, first time email are

2161
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 2: super surprised and happy to see the win. On Sunday,

2162
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 2: I saw a stat that over one hundred of Remandre's

2163
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: yards came after contact, and I know that Evan wrote

2164
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 2: about it a bit. How did you guys think the

2165
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,520
Speaker 2: old line performed, specifically Leyden Robinson.

2166
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that we brought this up because Paul

2167
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 3: and I were talking about this a little bit earlier today.

2168
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 3: The yards after contact numbers to me in this game.

2169
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 3: And I'm not taking anything away from Hermandre. I mean

2170
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 3: I gave him a you know, my gold star, right,

2171
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 3: He's terrific in the game. They were a little deceiving

2172
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 3: in this game because any little bit of contact is

2173
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 3: considered yards after contact. Like if he's going through the

2174
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 3: hole and a defensive lineman sticks his hand down and

2175
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: on the way by, he like slaps him on the

2176
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 3: way by. Now all of a sudden, he's gaining yards

2177
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 3: after contact from that point on. That is what I

2178
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 3: saw a lot of was arm tackles or guys just

2179
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 3: like kind of reaching out and tapping him or something

2180
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 3: like that. And you know, he runs with great contact,

2181
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 3: balance and great power. It's two hundred and twenty seven pounds,

2182
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 3: Like he's not gonna get brought down by an arm tackle.

2183
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 3: Like you're gonna have to come and run your feet

2184
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 3: through to get him down. So those plays, to me,

2185
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 3: are the numbers are a little bit deceiving. Like I

2186
01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 3: think they blocked pretty well.

2187
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 5: I thought early the game there were a couple of

2188
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 5: runs by Stevenson that I saw some holes. Now I

2189
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 5: didn't think they were great throughout the game, and I

2190
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 5: thought a lot of what he got to ice the

2191
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 5: game was on his own. But I agree with Evan,

2192
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 5: I just not every time a guy makes contact with

2193
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 5: the ball carrier, should that be yards after contact? Right,

2194
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,440
Speaker 5: Like I don't think there were a lot of realistic

2195
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 5: tackles that were missed, you know what I mean. Like,

2196
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 5: I think at the end of the game, when it's

2197
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,759
Speaker 5: the first time, the first first play, they got five yards,

2198
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 5: then second and five and they run a run blitz

2199
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 5: with I think it was Hilton, your guy, Mike Hilton.

2200
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 6: You said, didn't you say?

2201
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 5: Like he just looked like he knew he wasn't gonna

2202
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 5: make the place ned lights, that's dead to rights, that's

2203
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 5: yards after contact, that tackle needs to be.

2204
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: There was one play at midfield I thought he was

2205
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 2: Stevenson was stopped after three yards. He ended up getting seven,

2206
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 2: but they were like seven well earned.

2207
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 5: Yards and it was a lot of that. I mean,

2208
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 5: I know the numbers one eighteen, kind of agree with Evan.

2209
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 5: I didn't feel like the line was that bad. Now

2210
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 5: pass protection, it's a different story.

2211
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 3: They were running a lot of duo with double teams

2212
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 3: on the inside, and Remondre is just kind of reading

2213
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 3: the second level and wherever the linebackers go, he's gonna go.

2214
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 4: At the end of the game.

2215
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 6: Yes, that post game, I should say, at the end

2216
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 6: of the game. Post game.

2217
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting that he made that that

2218
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 5: comment about reminder.

2219
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they they they're outside zone. Is still not

2220
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 3: very good.

2221
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 5: I think that's really his skill set or the line

2222
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 5: skill set either.

2223
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 3: Uh. And then they started running duo or gap as

2224
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: as they would call it, and that's it's just man

2225
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 3: on man like double teams and just blow guys off

2226
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 3: the ball.

2227
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,560
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, football hat on hat, football iron sharpens.

2228
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 3: And the big thing is with those is like if

2229
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 3: you if the line is resetting, like if you're moving

2230
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, that's the offensive line doing its job,

2231
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 3: and then Remandre has got to do the rest, right, Like,

2232
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 3: if they're getting the guys to three yards down the field,

2233
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 3: then it's up to Remondre to turn that three yards

2234
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 3: into seven, eight, nine, ten yards. And he was doing

2235
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 3: that to his credit, but the line got him going,

2236
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 3: like he's he's getting downhill and then he becomes a

2237
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 3: lot harder to tackle.

2238
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 2: We're firing off.

2239
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 4: It kind of cracked me up last night watching the

2240
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 4: San Francisco game and they were, you know, giving Mike

2241
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 4: Shanahan Kyle Shanahan their flowers for all of the undrafted

2242
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 4: and low rated running backs that had success in their system,

2243
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 4: in this wily system, and it's it just was kind

2244
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 4: of ironic to me that you've got a player like

2245
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 4: Rimandre who is definitely very talented, but he can't run

2246
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 4: outside zone. But meanwhile they're like, well, we can find

2247
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 4: any undrafted rookie to go play for Mike Shanahan and

2248
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 4: Mike Anderson or you know, Orlandis Gary or any of

2249
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 4: these guys can just walk in and have a thousand yards.

2250
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, I guess what the answer is

2251
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm talking. I realized it is that once you have

2252
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 4: the place with the offensive line, then it maybe matters

2253
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 4: a whole lot less how good those guys actually are,

2254
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,959
Speaker 4: if they're the right type of guys who can just bang.

2255
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 2: U guy for the forty nine ers last night? What

2256
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: was his name?

2257
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt, listen to what he just said.

2258
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know what his name, but he's pretty good

2259
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:16,480
Speaker 4: at his job. He's got a new hat thought.

2260
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 2: So, I mean, come on.

2261
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 5: My favorite one was so I saw a clip online.

2262
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,719
Speaker 5: There's one of those football coaches and Twitter. I forget

2263
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 5: his name, but he's like, more teams should run uh,

2264
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 5: more teams should use full backs, you know, and they

2265
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 5: show like you Check catching a you know, a wheel

2266
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 5: and uh and Lombardi jumps in and be under center.

2267
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 5: Like yeah, if I had Kyle us Chick too, I

2268
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 5: would run a lot of two back stuff.

2269
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 6: Kyle us Check is an excellent football player, like not.

2270
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 5: Everybody has a full bell like that play doesn't look

2271
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 5: the same if Yaka Johnson is running the wheel route,

2272
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry it won't.

2273
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 4: It's such a unique player it's hard to comp.

2274
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Can we have Jahim Bell do it? Because I'm in

2275
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 3: on that john.

2276
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 6: If he has that kind of skill set.

2277
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I'm in on Brendan and Philly writes in

2278
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm of two minds about the game on Sunday two.

2279
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: The downside is that I feel we might have peaked.

2280
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: We look like the less talent that's the Boston We

2281
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 2: look like the less talented team, at least on offense,

2282
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 2: and I don't imagine seeing much improvement offensively as the

2283
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: season progresses. Plus, we have now decreased our chances of

2284
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 2: earning a super high draft pick and getting Will Campbell,

2285
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 2: who would surely resolve at least some of the issues

2286
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 2: on offense. That said, I would rather be a bad

2287
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: team that plays hard, plays together, and has a sense

2288
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: of who they are than a bad team that beats

2289
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 2: themselves and makes stupid decisions. For as much as we've

2290
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 2: moved on, this looked like a stereotypical Belichick coach team

2291
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 2: where everyone was on the same page. In limited mistakes.

2292
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 2: Even our offense, which as I mentioned above didn't really

2293
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: impress me, clearly has a plan and knows how to

2294
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 2: go about it. I got to respect that. Though it's

2295
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 2: only one game. I'm encouraged for the future of this

2296
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: team under Mayo.

2297
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 3: Encouraging part offensively just to be glass half full because

2298
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 3: I've been a little empty on the offense. Is that

2299
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 3: if you put a quarterback in there, Drake may who

2300
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 3: is a little bit more dynamic as a thrower in

2301
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 3: an athlete, then the passing game, the opportunities that I

2302
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 3: saw in the film in the passing game, now maybe

2303
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 3: you're making more of those, the most of those opportunities

2304
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more often, like Jacobe's is doing his

2305
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 3: job and did exactly what they asked him of him

2306
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 3: on Sunday, And that next step is going to obviously

2307
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 3: getting Drake in there, and you hope that maybe he

2308
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 3: can take the offense. You know, I thought Jalen Polk

2309
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 3: got open a decent amount in this game. I didn't

2310
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 3: get the ball like. There's little things like that that

2311
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 3: maybe a more dynamic quarterback comes in down the road

2312
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 3: and livens it up a little bit.

2313
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 4: He was the one like I feel like, you know, May,

2314
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 4: especially with Baker, May just seemed totally willing to chuck

2315
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 4: the ball down to him a little bit. But I

2316
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 4: feel like he played a lot more with Polk, and

2317
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 4: I didn't really remember as much of Brissette playing with

2318
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 4: Polk a little bit towards the end when he started

2319
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 4: to get in. But part of me just wondered if

2320
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 4: Set really have a comfort level yet with Polk yet

2321
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 4: or I mean, I don't know something that May had.

2322
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 4: It just seemed like May was willing to throw it

2323
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 4: up to Baker. He had that trust, he wanted to

2324
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 4: establish that trust with him. Yeah, Bood he didn't play

2325
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 4: at all either, which I thought it was a little

2326
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 4: bit interesting. Just didn't get a snap.

2327
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one play from the high red zone

2328
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk just like dust this guy off the line

2329
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and you've been open for a touchdown. But

2330
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 3: you know, usually in the in the progression, in that read,

2331
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 3: it's like you have to really love that matchup pre

2332
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 3: snap and like start with your eyes there pre snap

2333
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 3: to go there with the football. Like those are the

2334
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 3: types of one on ones that Drake tends to gravitate.

2335
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 3: Towards maybe a little bit more than Jacoby. You know,

2336
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 3: Jacoby starts with his eyes in the middle of the

2337
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 3: field and is kind of going through the progression. I

2338
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 3: could see Drake starting on Polk there and being like,

2339
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take the shot here if he wins

2340
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage like he did. But I

2341
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 3: thought Polk won on some routes, you know, maybe four

2342
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 3: or five times that the ball just didn't find him,

2343
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 3: which is encouraging.

2344
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 2: David Maine. I'm tuning in late, so forgive me if

2345
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: it's already been brought up. Watching the game on TV,

2346
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 2: I noticed a couple of times, during a time out

2347
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 2: or after an offensive drive, Jacobe would be talking to

2348
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 2: Mayo and a VP on the sidelines. I never saw

2349
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 2: Drake around. Milton was there, but no Drake. Would you

2350
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 2: think may would be in there trying to hear everything?

2351
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: At first I thought I was crazy, But this was

2352
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 2: brought up on another Patriots podcast.

2353
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts. I know, I didn't see it.

2354
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't really see it, but I mean, I mean, yeah,

2355
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 5: it might be a little bit surprising to me if

2356
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 5: if he wasn't in those conversations.

2357
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think they'll he's part

2358
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 4: of all the definitely had the piece in. They showed

2359
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 4: here and he's here and what's going on. So that's

2360
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 4: the important thing is because he's even said it, hearing

2361
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 4: the play call, getting it out, getting it out in

2362
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 4: a way that everyone can understand it, and not you know,

2363
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 4: machine gunning it like he like he said he had

2364
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 4: been doing so.

2365
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 6: But my point is he may have heard it.

2366
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, maybe he would physically being there, he may

2367
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 5: have been listening to the whole things.

2368
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 3: I would just say, I wouldn't look too much into

2369
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, like who.

2370
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 5: It's not like it's Brady Garoppolo.

2371
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, like is he on the huddles?

2372
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Is he not?

2373
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 3: Like just it doesn't.

2374
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Matter David and Madrid. Any news on. So does it

2375
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 2: seem like he'll be available against the Seahawks. We don't know.

2376
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 3: See tomorrow, you see tomorrow. I thought Michael Jordan survived

2377
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 3: the game, and I'm might not trying to be mean

2378
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 3: with that, like.

2379
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 5: I for lett right, No, no, Levertte. I was a

2380
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 5: little surprised at that. I thought there'd be more of

2381
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 5: a rotation.

2382
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, you know, look backup guard up from

2383
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 3: the practice squad and it wasn't a complete disaster.

2384
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

2385
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 3: You know, he's not a very strong guy, like he

2386
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 3: doesn't have a ton of anchor to him, but he

2387
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 3: didn't look completely out of place. So you know, Leyden Robinson,

2388
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 3: I know we had an emailer about him earlier he left.

2389
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 3: He left let a lot of pressure through on his

2390
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 3: side of the line, but I finished well in the

2391
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 3: run game.

2392
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 2: I also wanted to ask if you guys believe Jahem

2393
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 2: Bell or Javon Baker will play in week two. I'm

2394
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: really excited for Bell and feel like he'll be a

2395
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 2: huge impact for us in yards after catch and having

2396
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 2: a better passing game with Baker. Was he not playing

2397
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 2: because of discipline? A lot of people asked that question.

2398
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 5: I think that might have had something to do with it,

2399
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 5: But I mean, Boo Justin didn't even play, so I

2400
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 5: mean I would. I think he'll be a healthy scratch

2401
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 5: until they have too many injured guys.

2402
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, I don't think that it was much of discipline.

2403
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,640
Speaker 5: No, I think it could have been you know what

2404
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like it might have put it over the top. Yeah,

2405
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 5: but I think he was going to be an active anyway.

2406
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 5: But they may have said, oh, and you're not playing

2407
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 5: on Sunday.

2408
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Yeah?

2409
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 3: I just I mean just watching the guy play in

2410
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 3: the towards the end of the camp in the preseason, he

2411
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:41,879
Speaker 3: just wasn't effective.

2412
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 5: I mean, and Mike just said it like you had

2413
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 5: another receiver active who.

2414
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 4: Didn't play and the cut Rager. I mean, nobody would

2415
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,839
Speaker 4: argue that Booty and Riger weren't better than Baker this summer.

2416
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan writes in he says, Paul Dan, I wholeheartedly

2417
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: disagree that winning low scoring games is not good enough.

2418
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 2: They are not going to win seventeen games like this.

2419
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 2: Who says they need to? They lost five one score

2420
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: games last year where the opponents scored twenty one points

2421
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 2: or less. Up that number to twenty five and its

2422
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 2: seven games. They won their first game of the season

2423
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: in the exact fashion you said will not work, and

2424
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 2: you still say it won't work. If they win the

2425
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: turnover battle in the low scoring games and make the

2426
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 2: field goals. This goes from a four win team to

2427
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 2: a nine win team overnight. No chance if the offense

2428
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 2: could put up two to three scores. Most weeks and

2429
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty six points on two special weeks. That's an eleven

2430
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 2: win team, a potential playoff berth if they scored eleven

2431
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 2: a successful season in my opinion, love the shows, no

2432
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,560
Speaker 2: hard feelings, just disagree with you.

2433
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 4: Take.

2434
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 5: I didn't say anything about the game Sunday, so you're

2435
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 5: putting words in my mouth. I didn't say it wasn't

2436
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 5: good enough Sunday. I said you can't win every week

2437
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 5: doing that. You're not winning nine, ten, eleven games doing that.

2438
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 5: You're not no one does. You're not holding every team

2439
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 5: to under you know, fifteen points, You're not.

2440
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 4: You're not never turning them all over. You're not gonna

2441
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 4: have zero turnovers every single week.

2442
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I can get negative if we want to.

2443
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,679
Speaker 5: The other team will have players next time they play.

2444
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 5: Like two thirds of the offense didn't play. You shut

2445
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 5: them down with the quarterback ineffective without his two best weapons.

2446
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 5: If that happens every week, then maybe you can shut

2447
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 5: them all down. But I don't think you can win

2448
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 5: scoring sixteen points. I don't think you can win eleven

2449
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 5: games doing that. I think you'd be hard pressed to

2450
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 5: win six or seven doing that.

2451
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 3: I feel like the twenty twenty two Patriots maxed out

2452
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 3: how many wins you can play you can get?

2453
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 6: And what was the comments denominator that year.

2454
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 3: I don't know where we're going with.

2455
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 5: What did the other teams score when they played those games?

2456
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 4: And why? Because the quarterbacks?

2457
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm playing. Yeah, let's go back to the TPX hotline.

2458
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a while to get used to that,

2459
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 2: but so far, I haven't screwed up. Brandon is an Oregon.

2460
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 2: What's up, Brandon Bronz.

2461
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 18: That's how we're doing.

2462
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 2: All right.

2463
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 18: It's been a while. I think it was probably like

2464
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 18: week nine, week ten, somewhere mid season of twenty twenty two.

2465
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 18: I think the last time I called in.

2466
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 2: I remember that call. You were, Oh, that's Paul's role.

2467
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 2: You don't remember when Brandon called in twenty twenty two, Paul,

2468
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 2: and I don't remember calling.

2469
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 18: Okay, Well, anyway, this last Sunday is pretty weird. It's

2470
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 18: a little emotional. It's the first Sunday my whole life.

2471
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 18: I was born in ninety five, so the first one

2472
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 18: was out Bill on the sideline. Also the first one

2473
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 18: I got to watch with my son. You and my

2474
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 18: wife had a first kid in the off season, so

2475
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 18: oh emotional for a ton of reasons, but uh it was.

2476
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 8: It was weird.

2477
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,640
Speaker 18: But I guess I'm all in as I could be

2478
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 18: on this new era of Pat's football and guess a

2479
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 18: little more excited than I was after after this last Sunday.

2480
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:57,440
Speaker 18: So shout out to Mayo and the new staff. Anyways,

2481
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 18: the main reason I want to call though, is Stephen.

2482
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 18: Then he's probably gonna be the future guy. But if

2483
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 18: there's one other guy you guys had to pick to

2484
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 18: merge in this offense, whether it be Thornton or you know,

2485
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 18: Tomrio having a good season again like you did last year,

2486
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 18: Just who do you guys think will be the kind

2487
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 18: of the second guy on offense besides that Stevenson that

2488
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 18: gets some production.

2489
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 2: For us, thanks Brandon.

2490
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 4: Henry Hunter Henry would be my pick.

2491
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, not Pop. No.

2492
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 5: I think he'll be the probably the leading receiver. I

2493
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 5: think he'll catch the most passes when the season's over.

2494
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 2: I think Polk's gonna catch more passes in Pop. I

2495
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: think Pop might have more yards or yards.

2496
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 6: Per pretty much guarantee that.

2497
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think Polk will be the leading wide

2498
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 2: receiver in terms of catches.

2499
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 3: I saw some frustration from Polk just some of his

2500
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 3: reactions after the plays because he was over yeah, and

2501
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 3: he's just like, you know, last third down it was

2502
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 3: a high throw to Pop Douglas. He's backside dig just

2503
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 3: wide open.

2504
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 4: He just you know, it's it's in the back of

2505
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 4: his mind, like.

2506
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 2: Right, and and and guess what that's also in the

2507
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,759
Speaker 2: back of the coach's mind when they go over the film, like, wow,

2508
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 2: there's a guy getting open. Jacoby's not turning the ball over,

2509
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 2: but he's not willing to.

2510
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 5: Just really like Drake May is going to play any

2511
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 5: any minute now, I say, yeah, that being Rappaport thing

2512
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 5: on Sunday morning. I don't care what we leave completely

2513
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 5: eliminated my whole by week six, not going to be

2514
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 5: playing for several weeks.

2515
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 4: So what that's three five? Did you listen to the

2516
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 4: pre game? No, we got a whole thing on it.

2517
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 2: Several less three.

2518
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 5: It's like a few two, several or three or more.

2519
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,600
Speaker 4: That's what I said.

2520
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 2: But I'll make a prediction. I was wrong on my

2521
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 2: that he'll start week one, but if he's not in

2522
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 2: by week six, I'll be shocked.

2523
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 5: I think there's a better chance doesn't play at all

2524
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 5: than being in by week six unless Presette gets hurt.

2525
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 3: Okay, I just would say with Polk, you hope that

2526
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 3: also go back in the film and realize maybe we

2527
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 3: should start the progression on Jalen. Polk could not end

2528
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 3: the progression on Jalen, you know, or hey, Jacobi, like

2529
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 3: it looks like he's he's winning on some of these routes.

2530
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 3: It's maybe look his direction a little bit more. How

2531
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 3: much of it had to do with the pressure, like

2532
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 3: in terms of him not being able to get through

2533
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:18,719
Speaker 3: the progression.

2534
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe a little bit.

2535
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a little bit. I just don't think that

2536
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 3: there were a lot of instances where Jalen Polk was

2537
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 3: the initial in the initial read.

2538
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're probably right about that.

2539
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 5: I just felt like the wide receivers really couldn't get

2540
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 5: involved in this game because I don't think Psett ever

2541
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 5: was able to get comfortable, like no, on very many

2542
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:38,680
Speaker 5: passes at all.

2543
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely one throw to uh one played

2544
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 3: to Taekwon got behind the defense once, yeah, and airmailed it.

2545
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 4: No, No, the ball.

2546
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 6: He wasn't open on the one ball they threw down

2547
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 6: the field.

2548
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 2: I thought he had a step.

2549
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 6: They had double coverage on him on that play.

2550
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guy that had single coverage that one

2551
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 3: on the other side, Jalen jen Polk.

2552
01:51:58,640 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2553
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 3: So but Taekwon did run get behind the defense on

2554
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 3: one play and the corner kind of trip trying to

2555
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 3: catch up to him too, so he was like wide

2556
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 3: open and on that play the pressure came and took

2557
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 3: off the playoff the.

2558
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 5: The two the two catches that wouldn't had in this

2559
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 5: game were Patriots place. They were normal NFL plays. They

2560
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 5: aren't anything fluky.

2561
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 3: The one off play action the seventeen yard a is

2562
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 3: that was that's the a VP offense, like that's what

2563
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,719
Speaker 3: it should look like. Run run play action like that.

2564
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 4: That was good.

2565
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 2: Patty's an aguam. What's up Patty guys? He hey, Patty,

2566
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 2: definitely a good win.

2567
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 8: I want to give Remindre his props, and I know

2568
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,479
Speaker 8: we're not supposed to be looking forward today, but I

2569
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 8: wanted to bring up a couple of points and end

2570
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 8: with a question. So, just based on last year statistics,

2571
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,640
Speaker 8: we're again we're going to be playing one of the

2572
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 8: worst rushing defenses in the league this year. So I'm

2573
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 8: looking looking forward and seeing some sort of a similar

2574
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 8: game plan against the Seahawks.

2575
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 7: But and the grand scheme of things when we do

2576
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 7: have to play the Jets and the Niners and some

2577
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 7: of these better running defenses and just overall defensive do

2578
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 7: you think ABP gets in Jacoby Brissett's here and says, hey, look,

2579
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 7: you know the game plan. You're gonna have to we're

2580
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,720
Speaker 7: gonna scheme it up, and we're gonna have to take

2581
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 7: some shots down the field, and you're gonna have to

2582
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 7: push the ball down the field. You know, if if

2583
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 7: it looks if it starts to look ugly, if then

2584
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 7: when they do that, you think that sort of accelerates

2585
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 7: Drake by getting in there.

2586
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, work Drake may in today's that's the question, and I'll.

2587
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 2: Take it off there, guys, all right, thanks.

2588
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair point that, you know, I've

2589
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 3: been kind of critical of Brissette not pushing the ball

2590
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 3: down the field more. When you're playing with the lead

2591
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 3: on the road and what you're doing is working and

2592
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,560
Speaker 3: you're you're controlling the game, you know, maybe there's a

2593
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 3: little risk reward there that goes through his head. And

2594
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 3: in the game Mike Patty said, where he has to

2595
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 3: push it a little bit more like maybe we do

2596
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:58,759
Speaker 3: see him doing I don't know if he has anything.

2597
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:58,760
Speaker 7: To do it.

2598
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 5: I do think if it's if they do try to

2599
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 5: do that and it fails, I think Freddy scenario could

2600
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 5: could unfold. Like if they show that they only have

2601
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 5: one way of playing with Brissette and they have to

2602
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 5: try to find another way to play.

2603
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 2: Offense, assuming he's ready, assuming yeah, it's.

2604
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 5: Right, I think then the US scenario could unfold Week

2605
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 5: six or whatever. But I just I just feel like

2606
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 5: this is what they want to do. And uh, you

2607
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 5: guys know you know how much I don't like running

2608
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 5: the ball. When he the second half, I basically said

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't throw again unless they fall behind. As long

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Speaker 5: as they have the lead, I would just run it

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Speaker 5: every play, And I know they didn't do that. They

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Speaker 5: threw a couple of passes, but my feeling was as

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Speaker 5: long as it's quote unquote working in terms of we're

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Speaker 5: not turning it over, we're making the Bengals have to

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Speaker 5: make plays to come back, I didn't see any need

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Speaker 5: to to, you know, unnecessarily put the ball at risk.

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Speaker 2: We haven't mentioned Joey Sly.

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Speaker 4: James, which actually I'm gonna cut a litt early because

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go listen to our new special Teams coordinator.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're going to end the show in anyway.

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Speaker 2: But I want to thank everyone for listening, email and callings.

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Speaker 2: Remember we are back into our in season schedule, so

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Speaker 2: we'll be back tomorrow Wednesday at noon with another edition.

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Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about Seattle tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll turn the page talk to you tomorrow. Thank

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