1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Ojan and NFL Network analyst 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks. Bring you the latest thing, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jaguars. Everything's got to be about the future, 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: has got to be about tomorrow and bringing all that 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: into focus as we you know, attack the season. Huddle 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into another 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. It is Wednesday, April six, J. P. 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Shadrick with the NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks and Jaguars 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: dot Com senior writer John Osier and of course subscribed 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: to the official Jaguars podcast network on the free I 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Heart radio app. We're three weeks away and one day 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft. Bucky, Good, afternoon, Yo. What's going 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: on you guys doing? Man? What's happening? Great? Johnny is 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: is fired up, ready to go. He's draft ready. He's uh, 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: he can't wait for I'm getting more draft ready. I 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: mean I'm reading Bucky stuff, not Jaguars dot Com about 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the Jags and and talking to Bucky. So I'm getting 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: ready for the draft. Bucky is my source of uh 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: of draft enthusiasm and information. And of course we see 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Bucky all over the place now pass to the drafters 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: back every week night. What time was that air Bucky 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: on the NFL net? That would be East coast time. 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: That would be six o'clock each and every night, and 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about all things draft. Yes, and who holds 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: on with you on path of the Draft. It's a 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: revolving door, ever changing cast of characters. But Danie Jeremiah 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: red Lewis are the primary um guys on the show 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: with me, but Charles Davis comes through. Brian Baldinger today 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: is on, and we have a few other guest appearances 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: with a bunch of appearances by the top prospects in 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: the draft coming on and we're talking to dam an 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: interview on him and that kind of stuff. What do 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: you I mean, Bucky A pre draft interviews? Everything is 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: so uh you know, staged if you will, because they're 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: controlled by agents. What do you get out of those 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: when you talk to the guys? I mean, do you 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: learn stuff when you talk to these kids? Uh? What 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: I try to do is like some of the stuff 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: that we do on TV, like it's fine, but like 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: either before or after the interviews, when you're kind of 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: warming them up and talking to him, you try and 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: get a little insight. Sometimes if they're in studio and 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: you have a chance to like pop on some tape 45 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: with them, you get a better feel for what they know, 46 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: um and there maybe reasoning or rational behind some of 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: the things that they made the decision they made on 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: the field, and so it can provide some perspective that 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: that helps you. The one that stands out to me 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: was Pat Mahomes came in studio before the draft, and 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: I remember at the time, I don't know if DJ 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: had him in the top fifty. I didn't have him 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: as like a first round pick. He was kind of 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: like a couch out. But then when we sat down 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: an interviewed to his recall, Like we could ask him 56 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: about a play and he could like really drill down 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: and give you great detail and his memory of things 58 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: that happened in his sophomore year and all that. It 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: just made you kind of sit back and you're just like, 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: that's that's beyond normal. And we've kind of found like 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: with great players and those things, they kind of have 62 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: their recall ability that you could ask them to play 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: from high school and they could walk you through every 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: step of what happened and how they were able to 65 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: have success of failure on their play. Is that a 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: similar mindset for personnel people coaches in the building when 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: these prospects come in here? Is it? Is it the 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: same idea? Do you want to sit them down in 69 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: front of the the white board and drawouts things, look 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: at film with them and what happens during prospect business? 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: We got obviously this week Aidan Hutchinson put out an 72 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Instagram video that he was here. There's been a few 73 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: other prospects and it's that time of year. What happens 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: in one of those building visits for these prospects, Well, 75 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, like when you you bring in guys like 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson um and you have an opportunity to to 77 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: be around him here the four or twenty four hours, 78 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: so you get to bring him to build him, do 79 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: everything h that you want to do with him during 80 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the day. So that's a few 81 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: different meetings, uh, from the de coordinator to his position coach, 82 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: two people around the building getting the field for who 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: he is and how he kind of fits into the 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: culture that's established within the organization, and then with those meetings, 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're beginning to assess where he 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: is from an i Q standpoint, how he learns, how 87 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: he communicates, what maybe his preferred um coaching style or 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: the most effective coaching style that works for him. Uh. 89 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: You watch tape together and you're able to how to 90 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: get a better field for how does he plan his 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: process on the field. So for Hutchinson, like, Okay, this 92 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: is this now versus I went to Big ten championship game. 93 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: You gotta sat what were you thinking? And if he's 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: able to walk you through those kinds of things, you 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: now have a better understanding. Okay, when we get him here, Uh, 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: he has a great i Q. So now we can 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: maybe maybe accelerate the process or Okay, this guy maybe 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: challenge in a couple of different areas Howard. What's the 99 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: best way for us to get to him? Is it 100 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: more visual stuff? Is it more auditory? Does he need 101 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: more walk throughs? So you're trying to get a feel 102 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: for who he is from a football character standpoint, but 103 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: then you're also trying to figure out if he's with us, 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: what is the best way for us to maxim out 105 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: in terms of helping him prepare to be at his 106 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: best when it's signed to go play. And some of 107 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: it's just human nature feel right, But I when you're 108 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: around the guy for twenty four hours as opposed to 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: five minutes at the combine, so there's only so long. 110 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, at some point the defenses get let down, 111 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: if you will, and maybe something about your natural personality 112 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: comes out into predator that just sticks with the g 113 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: I me, it's hard to fake it for hours. Okay. 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: So sometimes it's just these guys, if they're investing this 115 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: kind of money into somebody, they want just a little 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: better feel on some level that they may not know 117 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: what they're looking for when they come in, but you 118 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: spend twenty four hours around a guy, so so something 119 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: sticks out. Yeah, it's it's everything, John, because you want 120 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people around him because what you're trying 121 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: to do is get a full assessment of who he is. 122 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: And so it might be a wherever they put him 123 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: up at, wherever the the hotel he's staying is calling 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: around and seeing, hey, how did he treat the people 125 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: at the front desks? Was he problematic? Did anyone around 126 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: the restaurant kind of see him and serve him. What 127 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: was he like? You really want to see if you 128 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: can get a true feel for who are we bringing 129 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: in so that you know, because what you're trying to 130 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: eliminate are the surprises. You don't want someone to uh 131 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: come in where you feel like he's one way and 132 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: then you get him and you find out he's completely different, 133 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: and then it's too late, and so that's you want 134 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: everybody around them. So from in my Smasent past, like 135 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: not only the football part, but maybe you have the 136 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: pr people around you also call around and see who 137 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: picked him up from the airport? What was he like 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: on the ride? Was he quiet? Was he talkative? Was 139 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: he arrogant? Did he treat the people nice around? Like? 140 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: All of that stuff factors into it because you want 141 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: to do your due diligence. Much like if I was 142 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: on the road and we just continue to use Adan Hutchinson. 143 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: When I'm in ann Arbor, it's not just the people 144 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: that I'm talking to around the football offices. I'm talking 145 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: to the academic people, but I'm also going around town 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of randomly asking questions while I'm having dinner, 147 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Like hey, does ain't Hutchinson ever coming here? What is 148 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: he like? Have you seen him? This? And that? Is 149 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: he all of that stuff? As you're trying to kind 150 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: of paint the picture, because you're right this twenty four 151 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: hours that you have on the visit, that's the only 152 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: time that you get them. So you almost have to 153 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: go into a covert uh CIA operation to really try 154 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: and figure out if the guys what he portrays himself 155 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: to be. Well, you just blew your cover, Bucky, I 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: mean for a CI age, I mean that's not Priority 157 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Number one is to maintain your uh you know, come on, 158 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: advice to prospects, tip big right, Hey, every everything, everything matters. 159 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And and I'll say this, just like the way I 160 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: got into the scouting business. When I go to Green 161 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Bay to work out, the guy who picked me up 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: from the airport was John Snyder, the general manager for 163 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Now, our relationships started at that moment 164 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: where we talked and all that other stuff, but we 165 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: continue to build that relationship. But if I hadn't, if 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I didn't treat him well, if I was a jerk 167 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: to him, there's no way that he would have been 168 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: the first guy that I was able to call when 169 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking about getting a job or getting into 170 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: the scouting business. And so that's why it's really important 171 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: that you do lean on those guys who may be 172 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: deemed to be lesser than at that moment. But those 173 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: guys are valuable because not only are they good works 174 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: for the organization, but they get a chance to see 175 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: those guys and how they really are, because how they 176 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: treat them is ultimately how they treat others in the build. 177 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osan The Huddle Up Podcast. 178 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious that Jaguars have twelve draft picks 179 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: right now. That's the most in the NFL draft. And 180 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: there's some other teams saying forget them picks or not 181 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: you using a different ft work, But the Jaguars aren't. 182 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Right now. They've got twelve right now. So you know 183 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: they've got thirty prospect visits, Bucky, they can use general 184 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: manager Bucky Brooks. How do you divvy up um? You know, 185 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: position groups, levels of the draft guys you want to 186 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: bring in. You know you're looking at deep rounds. Also, 187 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: some some of those guys might come in here and 188 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: take a visit to the Jaguars. Also, Yeah, and that's tough. 189 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of it is like and you 190 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: want to be careful and strategic about how you would 191 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: like to use your visits, because what happens is once 192 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: you submit the list to the lead, that list is circulated, 193 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: so everyone knows who you're bringing in for visits. And 194 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: now some things are very transparent, like the guys they're 195 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: bringing in there out of that thirty, they're going to 196 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: pick some guys out of that. Others kind of send 197 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: you on a bit of a wild goose chase um 198 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: and trying to assess it from a personal standpoint, I 199 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: think what you want to do is you want to 200 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: bring in guys that you feel strongly about, but there 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: may be a little missing piece of information that you 202 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: want to get resolved. And so whether it's someone who 203 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: has had some character issues off the field that you 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: want to get hammered out and really have a clear 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: understanding of what they might have been involved in. Two 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: guys that you're trying to separate, meaning we call it 207 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the cluster busters. So so you have uh, two, three, 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: four closely graded guys, you bring them in and you're 209 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: trying to get the one that you deem to be 210 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: the best fit, whether that's through personality, whether that's through 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: having the conversations in the meeting rooms where you're like, no, 212 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: I like this guy. I think this guy probably gets 213 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: what we want to do better than the other guys, 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: and so it's a mix. And then finally is maybe 215 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: someone who's has some injuries that you just kind of 216 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: want to see and talk to him and do all 217 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: of that. But everyone does it differently. But how it 218 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: assess it is I want to make sure that the 219 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: guys and I'm very interested in that I spend as 220 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: much time with because I'm investing in them and I 221 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: want to make sure that they're going to be invested 222 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: in us when they come. There's also that aliment Bucky 223 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: at the top. We talked about this on Reporters on Monday. 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: The Jaguars might know exactly who they're gonna take, Like 225 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: right now, Trent Balky maybe down there saying I'm gonna 226 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: take Aidan Hutchinson. But if he gets a trade offer 227 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: that he likes and he's going down to four, then 228 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: you better have done the same research on Neil a 229 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Quanta Walker so that you're completely confident four or five 230 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: six picks down. I don't how far that goes. Uh. 231 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm always intrigued though, and I was Bucky about this. 232 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: He may have already sort of touched on it. When 233 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about the Jaguars in years past have drafted 234 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: a significant I think number of guys in like the 235 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: sixth seventh round that they brought in for visits. Um 236 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: any idea why that percentage would be so high? Is 237 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: there something that you're looking for from a late round 238 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: guy that you just feel better if you've had him 239 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: on a visit or Um? I didn't know if I 240 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: was missing something. No, I mean I think sometimes like 241 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: what you're lay around guys, UM, being honest, like your 242 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: six and seventh round guys are guys that you may 243 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: deem to be priority free agents, but you want to 244 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: make sure that you get them. You don't want to 245 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: get to a bidding war for the services, and so 246 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: you want to bring them in. And it's the same thing, man, 247 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: you're trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Uh. 248 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Do not only fit as players, but do their personalities? Bit? 249 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: Are they great people that um kind of kind of 250 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: fit the mold of the kind of collection of guys 251 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: that you're bringing in to change the culture within the 252 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: walls of the building. And so it's a little bit 253 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: of anything and everything, and every coach and general manager 254 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: approaches it differently. But for me, I want to make 255 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: sure that the guys that we're bringing onto the team 256 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: that I really really know. I don't want to bring 257 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: in guys that there's some some some blanks or some 258 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: holes that still need to be filled in when we're 259 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: heading up to draft it. I really want to feel 260 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: good about everyone that our perspective, guys that were like, Okay, 261 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: we're seriously considering these guys in these rounds. This make 262 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: sure we know everything about the Jaguars are future focused 263 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: and ready for a new look in join us to 264 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: the bank this season as head coach Doug Peterson and 265 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: quarterback Trevor Lawrence lead the charge and the lock in 266 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: your seats visit Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or called 267 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: nine oh four six three three two thousand. Well Look 268 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: of the Week, I had an answer some social media 269 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: question students and get some answers from Buckey about what 270 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: happened in New Orleans earlier this week. After this welcome 271 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: back to the huddle of podcast J P. Shatrick, Bucky Brooks, 272 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: John Osan, The upcoming Daily's play schedule. Well, the spring 273 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: season kicks off with Grammy Award winning country duo Brothers Osborne. 274 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: That's Friday Night, Little Dirk April nineteen. Oh, she'll be 275 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: there right, Big Dirt. You want to see his dad? Okay? 276 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Tim McGraw May five, Erika Badou with Jaw Rule and 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Goody Mob May six. Later in the summer, two nights 278 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: of Dave Matthews Band, two nights of the Lumineers, two 279 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: nights of Keith Irvin as well Ticket to the Info 280 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: at Daily's Place dot com. Bucky the Elephant in the Room? 281 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: What in the world happened in North Carolina? Kansas had 282 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: the biggest rally and championship game history to knock off 283 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: U n see Monday Night, trailed by sixteen at one point, 284 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: and if they just kept on playing and I had halftime, 285 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: I think you wouldnt might have been able to win 286 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: the game. But that that long pause heard of? Yeah, No, Um, 287 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: I think in those championship games, I think what you 288 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: do is you have to keep playing and you can't 289 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: um kind of deviate from the plan. When emotions kind 290 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: of rise. I mean, Kansas is a team that um 291 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: was the number one seed in their team that were experienced, 292 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: they have pros, and you knew that they were gonna 293 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: make a run. I watched them early in the tournament 294 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: come back against Miami with the same kind of vigor 295 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: and intensity. I think the big thing for Carolina was 296 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: they went down six I think it was sixty six 297 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: to sixty, held on, clawed their way back, and then 298 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: like they're up one with the minute forty nine left. 299 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: At that time, J P. John, you just rode a 300 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: ball and you see if you can finish it. Unfortunately 301 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: for them, they couldn't. But I think JP, you can 302 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: relate being uh an Alabama alum and someone who has 303 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: been around a team that's gone a few championships. For me, 304 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a heartbreak, but I take 305 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: solace in knowing that in my lifetime we always go back, 306 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know, a couple of years, will be 307 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: right back and we'll get it right the next time. Yeah, 308 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't talk about it much. If there's if there's 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: a basketball team I followed, it's Carolina. So I actually 310 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: followed college basketball with more interest than I usually did 311 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: in the last eight or nine days. I it looked 312 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: at me but like it was a team that really 313 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: was playing well, had probably maxed out what it could do, 314 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: and then the big man got hurt late it it 315 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: hurt because he was so good and I it seemed 316 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: to me like they kind of gave everything they had. 317 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: And then at the end, I thought Kansas was better. Yeah, 318 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: it could have won. I didn't come away from that 319 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: game thinking, boy, Carolina should have won that game. I 320 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: didn't come away with that. No, John, Like, what's funny 321 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: about it is the entire tournament right when I look 322 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: at their path for me, and I'm the forever optimists 323 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: when it comes to my team. When I look at 324 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: their path, Marquette, I was worried about Baylor. I was like, man, 325 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna win that U C 326 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: l A. And then it was the Darlings of St. Peter's. 327 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: I was like, man, so three or the four? I 328 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. And then the Dude game, 329 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: I was still like, man, they're not better than do 330 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they can beat them, but I don't know. 331 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: And so I kind of feel like the same thing 332 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: with the Kansas game. So when I walked away and 333 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: clicked off the TV, it wasn't like I was like 334 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: doing it, Man, we we we we should have up, 335 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: we're the better team. It was more like, man, we're 336 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: really close and we had it. It's probably gonna sting 337 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: that we didn't win it. But I think you're right 338 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: when you say they kind of maxed out who they 339 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: were for this team to do what they did to 340 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: get kind of all the way in and almost win it, 341 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: That's about what it was. It was the heartbreak that 342 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: I had was years ago when Villanova beat them on 343 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: the shot at the end that was a dagger. That 344 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: was a gut punch because I felt like we were 345 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: better than them. This one was like, uh, it'd been nice, 346 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: but I don't know if we're the best team, you know, 347 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: which is funny because the tournament is like that, because 348 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if we're the best team. 349 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: We were winning and say that we're the best, but 350 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I still don't know if we're the best team in 351 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: the country. But survive in advance and they got to 352 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: the big games down one against Duke Buck At that point, 353 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: if they had told you you can win this and 354 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: lose Monday. You would have taken it though, right, Yeah, 355 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: but you know what, like John, Yeah, I'm I'm the 356 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: kind I'm not the Constellation Prize guy. So like, look, 357 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: the thing with Duke was, uh, well we beat him 358 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: in the finale at Cameron. That was one thing, and 359 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know if I want 360 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: to face him again this and that. But then there's 361 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of something. I mean, look, man, JP's like it's 362 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: like Auburn, right, like when you play your rival, like 363 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: for me arrogant. I'm like, it's dude, Like, okay, but 364 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: this is what we do. We beat them and so 365 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: then we're in the champions again and you're like, no, 366 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: I want to win it. I don't want to, Like, 367 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, you get a banner for the final four, 368 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: but you don't get a chance to be the champion. 369 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: So it's fine, but he still left a little meat 370 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: on the Yeah, this is the Huddle Up Podcast. Let's 371 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: get to social media questions. We put the bat signal 372 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: out earlier on Wednesday, and here's the best we've come 373 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: up with today. Robert Coolson has a question, do you 374 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: think that Jags have any other surprises up their sleeves 375 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: before the draft. Well, I mean there's three weeks we 376 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: told you then it wouldn't be a surprise. Excellent point, John, 377 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Um Bucky. Do you think they maybe move around and 378 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're running I guess kind of tight 379 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: against the cat these days, So it's not like you're 380 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna sign a bunch of big names anymore. Maybe removed 381 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: moves from guys around. Maybe I don't know. No, I 382 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: think we kind of are where we are right now. Um. 383 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: I think we're in a situation where all of the 384 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: focus is on the draft, all of the focuses making 385 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: sure that you get it right. Um. It's funny on 386 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: uh dj n I maybe we had a conversation day 387 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about, um, looking back at the last 388 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: five first round picks that every team has had, and 389 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: when you you do that, there's a there's a it's 390 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: not a coincidence that the teams that nail the first 391 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: round are the teams that are kind of in the conversation. 392 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: And so for the Jaguars, I think is really important 393 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: that before you can even think about free agency or whatever, like, 394 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: the next month has to be really dialed in on 395 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: making sure that you nail the early part of the draft, 396 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about how valuable it is for everybody 397 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: to be a contributing minimum down the line. But what 398 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: we know is you can't mess up in the first round, 399 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: like the first round, the first two rounds and particularly 400 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: you have you have got to knock it out the park. 401 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: And it doesn't necessarily mean that, oh it has to 402 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: be a home run, but you can't strike out. And 403 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: so the guys that you take, and you know, first round, 404 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: in the second round, those guys need to be guys 405 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: that come in and they can start and start fairly 406 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: soon and become impact players because eventually those guys have 407 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: formed a nucleus of your program. It's funny that mentality. 408 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: It is how general managers think, um Bill poll and 409 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: you say all the time it was with the Colts 410 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: for those ten years. You don't have to be a 411 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: home run, you can't strike out. Doubles and triples are 412 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: just as good as home runs, and and talking about 413 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: it over a four or five year period, speaking exactly 414 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: what Bucky just said, when you look at your team 415 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: over a four or five year period, you have to 416 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: have gotten contributions from those ten guys. If if there's 417 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: ten first and second rounders, you don't need to have 418 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot of holes, because if you do, then 419 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, those are holes in your roster 420 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: that you've got to go back and overspending free agency 421 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: to make up for. We've lived it for the right. 422 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: You spend your career chasing your tail, and you're doing 423 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: have a very long career, right, So that's not I mean, 424 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean even in doing this, we go 425 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: back and look at our last five first rounders. UM. 426 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: If we go back, so et t n and Lawrence, 427 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: let's throw them out. But if you go Calebin, Jason, 428 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: c J. Henderson, Josh Allen, Tavin, Brian and Leonard for Nette, 429 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: like Josh Allen is the only one that UM has popped. 430 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: The other guys Brian and for Nette are gone, c J. 431 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Henderson has gone, and Chasing you're still waiting on. And 432 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: so when you think about that, that's problematic because those 433 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: guys were counted on, particularly Henderson, Allen and for Net, 434 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: because they were drafted in the top ten. They were 435 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: not only counting to being starters. You expect those guys 436 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: to be stars, like central members of your program. And 437 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: so that's why you can't have the egregious misses at 438 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: the top of the board, because it leaves craters in 439 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: your roster construction. Brutal, Yeah, I mean brutal. He goes 440 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: that saying, but I know Josh Allen has not you know, 441 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: he's made one Pro Bowl. And how you feel about 442 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: his career if you're listening to this, But I would 443 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: say he's a good player, potentially be a great player. 444 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where he's gonna wind up. But how 445 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: how much of them do you feel about this team? 446 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: If every guy Bucky had just listed was on this 447 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: team and equal to Josh Allen, maybe not a superstar yet, 448 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: but at least doing Josh Allen things at their position, well, 449 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: I think that Peterson gonna be here. The general manager 450 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: would probably still be Dave Caldwell. I mean, the head 451 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: coach wouldn't be what it is now. And that's that's 452 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: the importance. It is I and and just so because 453 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: we're in this thing, but uh, and and and just 454 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: raising the bar and the standard when we're looking at 455 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: prospect um, your goal, particularly when you're picking and the ten. Ultimately, 456 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: when you give a guy that kind of greater you 457 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: select that guy in that category, your expectation is that 458 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: he is going to be a top five player at 459 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: his position within the next two to three years. The 460 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: next three years, you expect him to emerge where he's 461 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: knocking on the door to be in the conversation as 462 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: a top five player at his position league wide. That's 463 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: how lofty the standards should be. But within your team, 464 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: when you're talking about a first round guy, your first 465 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: rounders have to be now. They have to be starters 466 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: where you expect them to be solid starters that you 467 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: plug and play. Those guys played for a long time 468 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: and you're thriving with them. Your second rounders, by design, 469 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: those guys should be emerging starters. So what we mean 470 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: by emerging starters is you expect them. If I'm drafting 471 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: in the second round, the expectation is that you should 472 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: be an emerging starter where you start. By your second year, 473 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: you should be heavy in the rotation your first year, 474 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: your second years you you should be punciled into the 475 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: starting lineup or rotating in as almost like a part 476 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: time starter. And then your third rounders are guys that 477 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: might take a year or more, but they should be 478 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: key contributors anything beyond that fourth round of Lord's developmental prospects, 479 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: and if you get anything from them, that is gravy. 480 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: But those first three rounds starter, emerging starter, and a 481 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: guy that should be a developmental starter. Anything beyond that 482 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: is gravy. And so that's why you really got to 483 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: nail that. Spend most of your efforts on making sure 484 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: that the guys you take within the top one hundred 485 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: are players and players that can hear up your team immediately. 486 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast. Well, Stefan Digg signed 487 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: a bigger extension with the Bills today four years, ninety 488 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: six million could be worth more with incentives. Of course, 489 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: the Bill is loading up with players this offseason. Wide 490 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: receiver money around the league is nuts. Look at Tyry 491 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: Hills deal Davante Adams as well. That leads us to 492 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: our next question on social media. Our final question today 493 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: at John Heini twenty. Even though it's unlikely to happen, 494 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: what do you think is a fair trade involving Seattle's 495 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and what type of contract do you think 496 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: he'll get when he signs a new one? Um, you know, 497 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: so here's just funny, man. I'm probably a little lower 498 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: on DK metcalfe and other guys um and and why 499 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: is because when I see DK metcalf I think DK 500 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: mcalf is maybe masterful in his role, but I don't 501 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: see him as a number one receiver. And here's how 502 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: the distinction is kind of the conversation that John and 503 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: I had at the Combine about DJ chart. When you 504 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: evaluate a number one receiver, the number one receiver should 505 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: be able to do it all. Doesn't mean he's a burner, 506 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: but he should be a great route runner. He should 507 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: be the guy that you can depend on uh to 508 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: move the chains in a key situation. He is the 509 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: guy who should be good enough to command double coverage 510 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: and steal defeat double coverage. He should be not necessarily 511 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: flawless in his game, but he should be someone that 512 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: each and every game, the opponent comes into the game 513 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: plan knowing we have to stop such and such. When 514 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: I think about DK metcalf and the reason why I'm 515 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: hesitant to call him a number one, he is a 516 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: straight line, vertical playmaker and threat. His game is built 517 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: upon home run balls and those things. It is hard 518 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: for guys who are like him to anchor in offense. Normally, 519 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: you need someone who is more the dirty work guy 520 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: to do that, because with DK Metcalf, when I look 521 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: at his ability to run the rout tree, I don't 522 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: think he can run the entire route tree. So he's 523 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: an intriguing athlete. He's a nice weapon that you would 524 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: love to have. But I will hold off on paying 525 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: him to Tyreek kill money the Davante Adam's money to 526 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: Stefan Digg's money, because I don't think his game translates 527 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: like their games translate. I was outstanding. I mean it's uh. 528 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: I think it sums it up. Uh. Number one receiver. Um. 529 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: The best story I can tell you about that is this. 530 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: We're talking to Tony Dunge when Marvin Harrison was the 531 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: number one and he was clearly number one Hall of 532 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: Fame receiver, and I said, well, tell me why he's 533 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: so important. And his response was, when Marvin goes to 534 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: the line, if he's in the game, we know, based 535 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: on him being in the game and the formation to 536 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: a certain extent, how the defense has to play him. 537 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: If they play him that way, then we know what 538 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: else to do off of that, and Peyton can make 539 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: his read off of that. If they don't play him 540 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: that way. We score having that as a foundation piece 541 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: of the offense where you go to the line and 542 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: Peyton looked over the or the quarterback whatever. Number one. Okay, 543 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: I know this guy is gonna do this. It's easy 544 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: to see the defense is gonna slide this way, so 545 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: I know who's gonna be open, and then if it's not, 546 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna win that. I that in offensive football these 547 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: days is critical because it allows the quarterback to do 548 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: so much more as well. So, Uh, it's great if 549 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: you can get one. It's certainly is. Thank you for 550 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: the submissions on social media. Earlier today we mentioned pass 551 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: to the Draft each week night six o'clock leading up 552 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft, and Bucky, you'll be here with 553 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: us in Jacksonville for Jaguars dot Com coverage of the 554 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Will have shows leading up to it. Of course, 555 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: a draft party will be held Thursday. A more details 556 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: on that to come in the next week or so, 557 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: so ticket holders check your email boxes next week sometime 558 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: for the official word on the draft party. But Bucky, 559 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to having you here in Jacksonville. Yeah, 560 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: it should be a lot of fun. Uh. One final 561 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: point because we were talking about the pay days as 562 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: we sounds like speaking of no no as as we 563 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: begin to think about it, and I think it's important 564 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: for Jaguars fans to pay attention like what's going on 565 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: in the league, Like we're noticing how the money is 566 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: being doled out, and you're seeing that the marquee positions 567 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: are beginning to change a little bit. So, um, it 568 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: was always like the league was built around the quarterback, 569 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: and that remains true, but now it's increasingly that it's 570 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: built around the passing game. Because there was a lot 571 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: of conversation about, oh my god, Christian Kirk got this 572 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: amount of money and Zay Jones and Evan Ingram, why 573 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: are they paying so much money? But when you really 574 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: look at it, teams now are being built around the 575 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: peas passers, pass rushers, playmakers, and pass protectors. And so 576 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: when we look at how we prioritize the positions quarterback, 577 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: edge rushers, you gotta have pass catchers that are dominant, 578 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: and you better have someone that can protect. So as 579 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: we're looking at the number one overall pick, and we're 580 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: looking at some of these top picks in the first 581 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: couple of rounds, if you're not necessarily loading up in 582 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: those four areas. It's gonna be hard for you to 583 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: win in this league because the best teams have blue 584 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: chip players in those areas and they're willing to pay 585 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: big money to secure those talents. I've been on this 586 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: topic all off season, and I'll ask Bucky this, in 587 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: the next five years, do we see a number one 588 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: receiver go over I mean, now, do we see a 589 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: receiver go number one overall? I'll bet we do. I 590 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: think we're going back to it. I think I think so. 591 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: Like it's John like it's funny because I was like, ah, well, 592 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you can get that guy outside of 593 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: the first round, and you can because some of these 594 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: guys that are getting paid like it's funny because they 595 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: weren't necessarily first round played picks. Stefon Diggs was a 596 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: fifth rounder, Davante Adams was the second rounder. Tyreek Kill 597 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: was a fifth rounder. Uh. The thing that you are 598 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: going to have to make a decision on is when 599 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: you develop a guy and you get them to the 600 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: point where you pay them once, are you going to 601 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: pay them again? With the prices being what they are 602 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: last year. In the top thirty in terms of receiving yards. 603 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a wide receiver that 604 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: was thirty years or older. And so it's a young 605 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: man's game, even out wide, and so that draft and 606 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: developed is really upon us. And so you have to 607 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: draft and you have to develop them. And it's almost like, yeah, 608 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: I can give them one big contract, but then when 609 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: they signed that big contract, I need to start thinking 610 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: about who was eventually going to replace them, because it's 611 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: going to be hard to keep two and three high 612 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: price receivers. So you always have to have a young 613 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: one developing in the hopper to eventually replace the number 614 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: one that you have on the team. Last wide receiver, 615 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: number one overall. Keisha Johnson nineteen six to the New 616 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: York Jets And my favorite Keishan Johnson story Pete Prisca. 617 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: It's actually Pete Prisca's Keyshan Johnson story. But he's at 618 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: the combine in of course Pete's digging around trying to 619 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: dig up c R A P and and so he goes, uh, hey, Keishan, 620 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: he was Keyshan was Keishan? And uh hey, key Shan, 621 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: what did you think about playing for Tom Cough? Yeah? 622 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: Thinking he was and Keishan looks. Coach cough he cool. 623 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: So that's uh, didn't get what you're looking for, but 624 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: coach cough he cool. Quote that's good. H Happy. Our 625 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: radio tomorrow four o'clock on tint xl AM in Jacksonville, 626 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Logoman and I will have defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell 627 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: in studio with us. We'll get his thoughts on some 628 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: of the new additions in free agency and what they 629 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: could bring to this Jaguars defense. Of course, pass to 630 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: the draft six o'clock Monday through Friday, NFL Network with 631 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: our friend Bucky Brooks and John. You'll have stuff all 632 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: over the website. Come on, will Bucky and I starting 633 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: next week. I think, uh we'll be um writing draft 634 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. If Bucky knows that yet, but 635 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: I'm I'm telling him. But yeah, and and uh again. 636 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: The reason I mentioned it is he's so good on 637 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: these shows, but digging down deep and writing about these guys. 638 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: I really enjoy Bucky stuff when it comes in. I 639 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: think fans will take so looking forward to Bucky will 640 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: talk to you again next week. Shou'd be a lot 641 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: of fun guys looking forward to Bucky Brooks NFL Network, 642 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: John Oser, Jaguars dot Com. I'm J. P. Shadrick for 643 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: our producer Joe Fortunado. Thank you for listening to the 644 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast.