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Speaker 2: Good morning, good afternoon, Good evening. EMILYA. Badi.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to episode two hundred and fifty one

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Speaker 4: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where we talk to

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Speaker 4: inspirational people about everything from their highest ties and toughest

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Speaker 4: moments to essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier,

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Speaker 4: more motivated life. We all go through our fair share

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Speaker 4: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower

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Speaker 4: of course have some fun along the way. For today's

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Speaker 4: episode two fifty one, I'm talking to someone who knows

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Speaker 4: She's a two time World mountain running champion and a

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Speaker 4: also a socney athlete. In our conversation today, we really

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Speaker 4: That I can say about Grayson and her openness and vulnerability.

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Speaker 4: It has been a very challenging few months, and beyond that,

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Speaker 2: Today. I am sitting down with Grace and Murphy.

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Speaker 1: learning how to source products, deal with shipping timelines. During

444
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Speaker 1: COVID that was crazy. I had to deal with when

445
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: the ports were closed and everything was stuck on a

446
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: ship on a port, and I was like, I don't

447
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: even know what to do in this case. Yeah, and

448
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: organization has been interesting. I've learned a lot about marketing

449
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: that is not something you touch on in the engineering

450
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: curriculum at all. So yeah, it's been a fun combination

451
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: of skills and I feel like it's made me feel

452
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Speaker 1: just confident that I can, with enough time, kind of

453
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: like running, learn to do anything even if I'm not

454
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: trained to do it at the beginning. I just need

455
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: to put my head down and figure it out.

456
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: But when you have no background in this, where did

457
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: you even garner the knowledge or the information to understand

458
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: where do I source paper from? Or how do I

459
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Speaker 4: even get something? How does someone even get something on

460
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Speaker 4: a shipping container?

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I relied so much on the people around me

462
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: that had done it before and not being afraid to

463
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Speaker 1: ask questions and reach out to people, and that's been

464
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Speaker 1: sometimes I hate social media, but that's been a really

465
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: nice part of social media. And most people are really

466
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: nice and they're willing to answer a few questions and

467
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: give you some direction if you're kind of lost, even

468
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: if they don't know you at all. If you're just nice,

469
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: they'll be nice back. So that's been an important learning lesson.

470
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Speaker 4: Do you feel as though when you got your CRONES

471
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Speaker 4: diagnosis that you were able to lean into community in

472
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Speaker 4: that same way on social.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I know a few people who

474
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Speaker 1: are runners with CRONES, So I immediately texted both of

475
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: them and was like, what do I do? Is this

476
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: going to be okay? Like do you think I can

477
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: keep my job? Or is this the end of me?

478
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, having that support system has been really cool.

479
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: And then finding out that so many people have IBD,

480
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: which also includes all sort of colitis.

481
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Speaker 3: Has been crazy.

482
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: So many runners out there are dealing with this and

483
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: they're not They're just running like they've figured it out.

484
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: And having so many messages.

485
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Speaker 1: From people saying like, Okay, it could be rough, but

486
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: don't worry, like you'll get You'll find your way through

487
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: this and get around it. That was really comforting and

488
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: continues to be Every time I post about it, I

489
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: get so many messages from people, and then I try

490
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: and give it back too. I hopefully give them some

491
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: comments and nice notes back and make it a circular economy.

492
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, what goes around comes around. If you wouldn't mind,

493
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: can you share a little bit about how this shows

494
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: up for you regularly? What does it look like for

495
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: you practically to be someone that has crones in your

496
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: current job of being a pro runner.

497
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Speaker 1: It's been I'm still really learning. This is only month

498
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: two of knowing that I have CRONES, and I couldn't

499
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Speaker 1: I know one person who's a pro runner. That's the

500
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Speaker 1: only other person I've found that's been at the pro

501
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: level with an IBD, and so there's not really a

502
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: roadmap moving forward. I think again, back to the grace,

503
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: it's been like, okay, let's just be patient and if

504
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: one thing doesn't work, try something else. And right now,

505
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: that's meant really adjusting training while I wait to get

506
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: the main treatment that I'm hoping to get and getting

507
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: a TUI a therapeutic use exemption for that treatment, and

508
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of structuring races around the treatment schedule, which will

509
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: be I've never had to have that extra variable added

510
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: into a training program. So yeah, I think there's a

511
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces that I'm still trying to fit together,

512
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: and I just want to take some time and do

513
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: that slowly.

514
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Speaker 4: You've mentioned a few times now the importance of grace,

515
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: but if you had to get honest about how this

516
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: all makes you feel, just shy of two months in,

517
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: how does it make you feel?

518
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Speaker 2: Grayson, I was telling my mom.

519
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Speaker 1: I think I'm going through the stages of grief. At first,

520
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: I was so relieved to have a diagnosis, and then

521
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: that kind of started to wear off and the gravity

522
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: of the situation started to kind of seep in a

523
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: bit more. So then I was more angry. I've had

524
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: some angry days too of I don't want this, and

525
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: why do I have to deal with this? Like why

526
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: meet kind of those questions. I don't want to have

527
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: to deal with crones. I just want to able to run,

528
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, so there's angry days. Then some sad days too,

529
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: especially if it's a day I want to go run

530
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't feel good and that's always a disappointment.

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Speaker 3: And I've had a lot of those days in the past.

532
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I'm a bucket that was

533
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: emptied or someone said you can't pour from an empty cup,

534
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: and I feel like I keep trying to pour from

535
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: this cup that's empty and there's nothing coming out, and

536
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: then I just get kind of down and sad. But

537
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: then some days I'll be relieved again. And yeah, it's

538
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: kind of a circle. And you don't get to plan

539
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: when the stages hit you. So that's been Yeah, I

540
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: have to take it as it comes.

541
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Speaker 4: Yeah, take it as it comes. Thanks so much for

542
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: sharing that. And what I'm hearing you say is that

543
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: there are a lot of hurdles in your path, but

544
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Speaker 4: you also have a good support network to help you

545
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: as you navigate them. Talk to me a little bit

546
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Speaker 4: about how that support network has showed up for you

547
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Speaker 4: as you've faced these difficult moments.

548
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

549
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Speaker 1: I I'm so lucky. I feel like I have so

550
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Speaker 1: many great people around me. My family has been always

551
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: so supportive and they're not runners. So when I told

552
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: them I wanted to run in college, they were like,

553
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: that's crazy, but okay.

554
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: Support you.

555
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: And same thing now they're like, okay, like if this

556
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: is what you're going to do, we'll support you even

557
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: if we don't understand why you'd go run twenty miles

558
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: for fun or something. So having them has been great,

559
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: and leaning on them and asking them questions and keeping

560
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: them very involved in the diagnosis, and like, here's what

561
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: my doctor said, what do you think. I've always been

562
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: like that with my parents, and I'm lucky to have

563
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: their relationship like that. And then I've found some great

564
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: doctors and practitioners.

565
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Speaker 3: I've gone through a lot of.

566
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Speaker 1: They're not bad, but it's hard to not be frustrated

567
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: with the way that they choose to practice medicine and

568
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: the way that I was treated in their offices.

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Speaker 3: So I would say that.

570
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Speaker 1: Sidebar for anyone dealing with that. Don't be afraid to

571
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: advocate for yourself. And the doctor should be working for

572
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: you and with you, you don't work for them. And

573
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to choose someone else if it's like

574
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: a therapist. If you don't feel like you resonate with

575
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: that practitioner, go find someone else. So I've gone through

576
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people that didn't resonate and found some

577
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: that really do, and keeping them close and in the

578
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: loop has been nice and asking them questions and having

579
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: thoughtful conversations about what could this look like with treatment

580
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: moving forward, what are the implications of getting an immunocipressant.

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Speaker 4: of how important it is not only to advocate for

614
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Speaker 4: yourself but also to ask questions. So often we feel

615
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Speaker 4: as though, well, I'm supposed to know about this, so

616
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Speaker 4: I'm just not going to ask this right now. And

617
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: it sounds as though you have no filter on getting

618
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: the information that you need to feel better in your

619
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Speaker 4: body and move forward how you want to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't feel like I do, but

621
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Speaker 1: it's also my life. I'm not going to be afraid

622
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: to ask a question because I'm scared. I think engineering

623
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: help with that, because you can't be too afraid to

624
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: ask a question, or the bridge is going to fall

625
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: down and you're going to hurt a bunch of people.

626
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 3: So questions can be good.

627
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: We can't have the bridge falling down, Grayson.

628
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Speaker 4: We cannot have the bridgebolutely not down. I want to

629
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Speaker 4: circle back to the success that you found quite early

630
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 4: in your career. You graduated in twenty eighteen and you

631
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: went on to then capture your first USATF national title

632
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen.

633
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Speaker 2: What did it feel like for you?

634
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: Just kind of like that quick on ramp to running

635
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: that you experienced after you transferred. To find so much

636
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 4: success early on as a professional.

637
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: A lot of people probably think that it was really cool,

638
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: and it was. It was very cool, but from a

639
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: mental standpoint, it was also really scary to go from oh,

640
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: this is my fourth year running ever in my whole

641
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: life to you're a world champion Now. That was kind

642
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: of crazy, and I felt like my physical capability exceeded

643
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: my mental capability to cope with that. Success, and that

644
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: was difficult and has taken till now, basically so six

645
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: seven years later to kind of catch up to the

646
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: same level of where I was racing it. I didn't

647
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: get the high school experience, and even in college I

648
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: had two years that were okay, but then my last

649
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: two years I was like competing to win NCAA's and

650
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: that was kind of scary. So yeah, it's been a

651
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: roller coaster and there's been a lot of self doubt

652
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: and wondering is this real?

653
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: Was at a fluke? Can I do that again? Where

654
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: do I go from here?

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Speaker 4: Lots of questions, How did you work to get the

656
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 4: mental to catch up to the physical? Did you have

657
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: any tools that you can reflect on that helped you

658
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: navigate through that process.

659
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Speaker 1: I'm working with a sports psych that's been really helpful.

660
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Speaker 1: Continuing to put myself in the fire, so to speak,

661
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: and time after time of winning races, I kind of

662
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: started to believe that it wasn't enough, fluke and I

663
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: can do it again. And by the second time I

664
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: went back to Worlds and one again I stood on

665
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: that start line thinking like I want to win this race,

666
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: and that was not how I felt the first time.

667
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: So kind of just repetition, getting in those reps of

668
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: testing yourself and then proving to yourself you can do it.

669
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

670
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: If that's an answer therapist would give or something, but

671
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: it did.

672
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 4: I love that concept or the idea of putting in reps.

673
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: When it comes to positive self expression and positive self talk,

674
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: I find it very refreshing that you can be so

675
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: upfront about Hey, I didn't speak to myself this way

676
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 4: before my first championship, but then I did better, I

677
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 4: learned better, and so I showed up better the next time.

678
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: For someone that's struggling with implementing positive self talk into

679
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: their regular routine or developing some sort of a practice,

680
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: what advice do you have to offer us to where

681
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 4: they can begin.

682
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh maybe just even a small mantra saying you can

683
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: say to yourself, and I would suggest you consider what's

684
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: the worst that can happen. I usually think that one

685
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: start lines too, and usually it's like, well, I don't

686
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: finish or something, but the world doesn't end and everyone

687
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: still loves me, and at the end of the day, like,

688
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: that's not really that bad, so might as well try.

689
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Kind of you have nothing to lose and then when

690
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: things get hard, remember to give yourself positive messages like

691
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: you can do this, it's not so bad, or just

692
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: keep moving forward. And to an extent, I would say, like,

693
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: don't overuse that because I can get toxic, especially if

694
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: you have a chronic illness. But yeah, I think there's

695
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: a balance to it and being able to coax yourself

696
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: to do some hard things and then afterwards acknowledging those

697
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: hard things is important.

698
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: I do want to talk a little bit about that

699
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: second World Championship. I know it was something that, yes,

700
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: the first one was so special, but the second one

701
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: really really impacted you.

702
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: Can you share why that is.

703
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: I think it's because, like I said, the first one

704
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: was kind of out of the blue. I did not

705
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: go into that race expecting to it. That was my

706
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: my third or fourth trail race ever, so I did

707
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: not have the resume to win that race, and it

708
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: was just unexpected. So then when I went into the

709
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: second one, I'd worked really hard to get back to

710
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: that start line and with the intent of I want

711
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: to win this again. So it felt good to accomplish

712
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: something that I had been working so hard for. It. It

713
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: was four years in between the two championships, so a

714
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: long time and a lot of work put in, and

715
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: it just felt like if it really all paid off

716
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: and was really cool to come to fruition.

717
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 4: When you talk about putting in the work preparing between

718
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 4: that for year period, what would you say the most

719
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: challenging aspect of being an athlete that performs at your

720
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: level is for you.

721
00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: The day to day is usually okay. I get race anxiety,

722
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: so performing traveling and performing sometimes that can really weigh

723
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: me down. To getting through that and learning how to

724
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: cope and manage with those feelings has been.

725
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: Challenging for me.

726
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the workout part, like the physical part is kind

727
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: of the easy part for me. It's the mental part

728
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: that's been my Achilles heel.

729
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk to me about how that race anxiety manifests

730
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: for you.

731
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: In college, I used to think, what if I just

732
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: hidden the poor to potty and then I didn't have

733
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: to start this race, Or what if this I got

734
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: struck by lightning and then I wouldn't have to race.

735
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: Just horrible things to be thinking. And then I do

736
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: the race and think that was so fun and it's

737
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: such a I don't know difference, Like you have two

738
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: extremes very close to each other, that it meant best.

739
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Badly, it manifest badly to think to yourself, wow, I

740
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: wish I could get struck by lightning right now so

741
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: I didn't have to show up and do this. And

742
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: then to your point here, having such an opposite feeling

743
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: after the race, how is it that you are able

744
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: to go back and remember the second half of this?

745
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: How is it that you come back to the positive

746
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: because more often than not, we are gosh inclined to

747
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: think the negative thoughts.

748
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: It does come up every race and I think, oh,

749
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: the bad feelings are back.

750
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: Some race is not so bad.

751
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: But it's that positive self talk of just just get

752
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: through this, like get to the moment when the gun

753
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: goes off, and then you know you'll be fine. You're

754
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: always fine, You just have to get to that moment

755
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: because then the physical pain, like I said, the physical

756
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: training and the physical pain of racing is really not

757
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: that bad compared to that feeling of anxiety beforehand. It

758
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: makes the pain, physical pain feel like a breeze. Just

759
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: slowly talking myself through it positively to get to that point.

760
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: And what I'm hearing you say is you have an

761
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: understanding that these thoughts might come and go, but you

762
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 4: are not your thoughts.

763
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, when you said, oh.

764
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: Here the negative thoughts are coming in again, like you

765
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 4: know that they come your experience, your veteran It's a

766
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: part of the routine, right, and so now you can say, Okay,

767
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to experience these thoughts, but these do not

768
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: define me.

769
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: Yes, and those aren't thoughts I have all the time.

770
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: Either when I signed up for the race, That's not

771
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: the thought I had when I clicked sign up on

772
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: the website. So yeah, I know that it's just for

773
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: some reason in that embrace environment, that's what.

774
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 3: Happens to my.

775
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: So many people listening to this here you say, well,

776
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: I never even thought that I could win something like this,

777
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: and then you take home not one, but two world titles.

778
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: What do you attribute that level of success to.

779
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: Knowing that you've struggled with negative self talk and you're

780
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: constantly a work in progress trying to navigate that inner dialogue,

781
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: what would you say helped you find success as an

782
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 4: early adopter of this sport.

783
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: I've always thought that I was a tough person, and

784
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: that's part of why it was so heartbreaking when I

785
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: started to think I'm not tough anymore because of being sick,

786
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: but I've always thought, oh, you're tough, and maybe you're

787
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: not the most talented, or maybe you're talented but you

788
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: don't work the hardest. But in training, because I also

789
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: do like I don't do high mileage training, my training

790
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: compared to some other pros might look like it doesn't

791
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: belong in the professional world, but that's.

792
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: What works for me.

793
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: And then on race day, I'm tough, and I tell

794
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: myself in races, you can do this.

795
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: Just be tough.

796
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: Just keep moving forward, even if that's slower, or even

797
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: if that's a hike in a trail race because it's

798
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: too steep to run, Just keep moving forward. And I

799
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: think maybe that, mixed with some stubbornness to keep going,

800
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: is what has propelled me to that success.

801
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 4: My heart breaks when you say I've always thought that

802
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: I was tough, and that there was a moment that

803
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 4: made you ask yourself, am I even who I've thought

804
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 4: that I've always been?

805
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a tough dark time. Now I'm only

806
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: two months out of that, so it's still very fresh

807
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and I still have those thoughts sometimes.

808
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, when those creep in for you what's your first instinct.

809
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: No, that I have a diagnosis. It's a lot easier

810
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: to be like, no, it's you have something wrong with

811
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: you that isn't your fault, that is clinically and diagnostically wrong,

812
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: So don't blame this on yourself. But before, when I

813
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: didn't have that, it was kind of to spiral and think, oh,

814
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: it's me, like I'm the problem, and internalize all of that.

815
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: I appreciate you for sharing that.

816
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 4: And again, vulnerability in your lived experience is something that

817
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: is so relatable and pretending as though this wasn't something

818
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 4: that like truly impacts you, That wouldn't be realistic in

819
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 4: the slightest As you think about moving forward now, Greyson,

820
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: what does that path ahead look like for you?

821
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I hope someone I don't know

822
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: if anyone can answer it. I don't know if I

823
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: can answer that either. I think I want to find out.

824
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: I still I don't know if I can do all

825
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: that I want to do and bey on and immuno

826
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: suppress it.

827
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I will be a pro runner.

828
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: Do I want to be a pro runner?

829
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: In this context, there's a lot of questions for myself

830
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: to answer too. And I think with this year moving forward,

831
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I just want to show up authentically for people and

832
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: for myself and see where that takes me. Whether that's

833
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: a different direction. Maybe it's pro running, but it looks

834
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: different than it used to. Maybe it's a different direction altogether.

835
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want to see where it goes.

836
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: But I also want to give myself that not out,

837
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: but a chance to not force something to be that.

838
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just I've outgrown or that isn't for me

839
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: anymore due to this new context of life.

840
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again easier said than done.

841
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 4: Right when you ask yourself, do I even want to

842
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: be a pro runner anymore?

843
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: What else do you see could be in your future?

844
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: I have always.

845
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: Wanted to have a real job. I just finished defending

846
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: my master's thesis a couple of weeks ago, and I've

847
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: been working with a biochar company on that and I

848
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: would love to keep working with them. And I still

849
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: love science. That's something that's been on the back burner

850
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: for the last seven years. So I've been focused more

851
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: on running, and I would love to kind of have

852
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: a career in that way. Yeah, I would love to

853
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: use my brain more.

854
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: We are almost made to believe that we're supposed to

855
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: choose a career at twenty one, and this is what

856
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: we do literally for the next like forty fifty sixty

857
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: years if we're lucky, right. I mean, I don't know

858
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: anyone that really wants to retire at eighty, So let's

859
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: say the next forty five years, right, And that could

860
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: be well and good. But there's so much opportunity that

861
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: we have in our life to try new things, experiment,

862
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: And so I love when you say, hey, I have

863
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: this other avenue that also actually really excites me, and

864
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: I think I could be very happy pursuing it.

865
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exciting, and it's nice to have that option

866
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: out there. And that made me think of something to this.

867
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: When I was kind of thinking I needed to take

868
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: a little step back and let my body kind of

869
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: come back, I realized I've done so many big things.

870
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Running has taken me to China, to all these amazing places,

871
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: to Patagonia. I've done all these big bucket list items,

872
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: but I was missing some small bucket list items, like

873
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: I have been with my fiance husband not Fyance anymore,

874
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: for seven years, and we'd never kissed on New years

875
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: because one of us was all always competing somewhere.

876
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: So having that, like checking off.

877
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: The little bucket list items, has been really fun and

878
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: something that I think I want to do and focus

879
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: on moving forward. I don't need to travel all the

880
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: way around the world. I just want to do these

881
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Speaker 1: little things at home that I've missed out on.

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Speaker 4: Someone comes to your social media page and they see

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Speaker 4: this pro runner with something like one hundred thousand followers

884
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Speaker 4: who's just starting to get a little vulnerable about what

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Speaker 4: it is that you've been going through for not only

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Speaker 4: the past two months, but according to your doctors, for

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Speaker 4: the better part of ten years. When you look in

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Speaker 4: the mirror now, Grayson, what is it that you see

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Speaker 4: looking back at you.

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Speaker 1: I see someone that was struggling, and I feel bad

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Speaker 1: for her. I wish I could tell her what was

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Speaker 1: going on sooner so that she didn't take on so

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Speaker 1: much mental burden and internal all of those feelings for

894
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, and I think she worked so hard,

895
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: but then she worked too hard, almost into it starting

896
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: to like border on toxic, where that just keeps showing

897
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: up got distorted, And I think there's a way to

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Speaker 1: show up for yourself that isn't working, And that's important too.

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Speaker 1: Everyone hustles so much and you get so caught up

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Speaker 1: in it, and then you realize maybe that's not healthy.

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Speaker 3: You need to take it back.

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00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just get tired, honestly, And I even professionally

903
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 4: think of some of the things that I was able

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Speaker 4: to do in my gosh mid twenties, and now fast

905
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Speaker 4: forward for me ten plus two years later, it's not

906
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Speaker 4: within the wheelhouse anymore. Neither do I even want it

907
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Speaker 4: to be. I realized that that hustle culture doesn't feel

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: good for me anymore. And so I come you to

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00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 4: be in this transitional phase where you're asking yourself how

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Speaker 4: do I want to feel and getting honest about what

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00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 4: that answer is and what's within your power to get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think being okay to recognize when you've outgrown

914
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Speaker 1: things is okay too. You've outgrown the hustle culture, or

915
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Speaker 1: you've outgrown your way of doing something, even if you've

916
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Speaker 1: been doing it that way for a long time, you

917
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Speaker 1: can grow as a person and recognizing that and then

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Speaker 1: moving on, maybe leaving it behind, is okay. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think people do that enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, what would you say excites you right now, Grayson.

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Speaker 1: Me and my husband just bought a house in Bozeman,

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Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about starting that chapter with him.

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Speaker 1: He was a professional ski racer and I was a

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Speaker 1: professional runner still am so our schedules lining up was

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Speaker 1: really difficult, and we did long distance for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And finally being kind of settled with him and looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that is really exciting.

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Speaker 2: I need to get to Bozeman asap.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many good things about Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I did not used to think that in

931
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Speaker 1: all honesty. Logan really and it is from here, and

932
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Speaker 1: so I've been a lot and everyone was like it's amazing,

933
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Speaker 1: and I was resisting. It was two mainstream like no,

934
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Speaker 1: it's not. I don't like it. But now I've been

935
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Speaker 1: here long enough and it's really growing on me.

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Speaker 4: So I need to get there. I'm coming out. I'm

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00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 4: coming to visit Grayson right now. You have an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to offer yourself a piece of advice. I want to

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Speaker 4: go back to before you had your diagnosis, before you

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Speaker 4: had an understanding of what was happening within your own body,

941
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Speaker 4: when you were saying to yourself, maybe I'm just not

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Speaker 4: tough anymore.

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Speaker 2: Knowing what you know now.

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Speaker 4: What advice would you give to yourself going through that hurdle?

945
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Speaker 1: To be kinder to myself and don't expect so much

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Speaker 1: out of myself.

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Speaker 3: And that tough doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Mean running hard. It can mean navigating a health crisis gracefully.

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Speaker 1: And tough can mean being kind. I guess too, I

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Speaker 1: think those go together.

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Speaker 4: Tough can mean being kind to Grayson. I'm so happy

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Speaker 4: that we were able to sit down today. For those

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Speaker 4: that aren't following along with you at just yet on

954
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 4: social where do they find you?

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Speaker 3: Grayson Grayson on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Perfect?

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Speaker 4: And of course we can't forget to plug Wild Strides

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: Go grab yourself a planner. You deserve one.

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Speaker 4: I'm over at Emily Abodi and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 4: Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time