1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: First Contact with Lori Siegel is a production of Dot 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Dot Dot Media and iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: Hello. Hi, Hi, I'm Julie. I'm Lori Love. This is 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: my quarantine call. 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: Where are you? 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm in New York. 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: I've been in self isolation. So I signed up for 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: this out of my own pure interest, and then I 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: was going to do a whole podcast episode based on 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: calling people in quarantine, and I was inspired by this app. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 4: Oh cool, Yeah, so I think I just wanted like 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 4: another adult to talk to you. 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Really, I signed up. Hey, it's Lorii. 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm recording this on Friday, March twenty seventh, and I've 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: been in quarantine. I'm now self isolating and it's been 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: around three weeks. Wow, time is pretty strange, and self isolation, 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: the days, the minutes, it all just kind of has 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: new meaning. That whole sentence felt pretty weird to say, 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: but let's be honest, twenty twenty feels pretty weird. So 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: let me set the scene for you, guys. I'm here 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: in New York City where I was exposed weeks ago 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: to someone with coronavirus. Now, don't worry about me. I'm 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: doing okay. I'm just fine. But I'm gonna be honest 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: with you. 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: Guys. 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 1: Things are pretty intense here if you've read the news, 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: and I know that they're intense in a lot of places. 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: So I've decided to dedicate this episode to your stories. 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: I'm recording from my apartment with this thought. We need 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: a community now more than ever. Storytelling has always been 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: my therapy, and Lord knows I could use it right now, 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: that sense of community. 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: So I asked all of you to share your stories. 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I said, send in your voice memos, text me, tell 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: me how you're feeling. 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm listening. I loved what you guys had to share. 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: This episode of First Contact is devoted to you, to 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: your stories and what you're going through. We're gonna start 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: with my inspiration for the episode. It's a little bit weird. 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: It's an app I heard about in my early Quarantine days, 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: which feels like a long time ago. It's called Quarantine Chat. 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: When you sign up, you randomly get two calls a 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: day from a stranger anywhere around the world. Your phone 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: rings and you're just on the phone with someone else 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: somewhere and quarantine. It's strange and it's human. So I'm 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: going to start us there. I actually captured one of 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: the calls, and yes, she said, we could record it. 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: Welcome to Quarantine Chat. 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 4: We're about to put you on hold and connect you 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: to someone else anywhere in the world. Your prompt today 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: is to go look out the window and describe what 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 4: you see. 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: To your partner. 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: I've gotten two calls on quarantine Chat from different people. 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: One person is in DC, one person was in New Jersey. 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: Have any of you guys? 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: I signed up maybe just like an hour, maybe two hours. 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So I'm your first quarantine call. 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 5: I feel a lot of pressure. 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: I've you better entertain. 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: The app launch just a couple of weeks ago, which 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: again feels like a long time ago at this point. 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: It was created by Max Hawkins and Danielle Baskin, both 64 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: currently self isolating on the West Coast. 65 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: Well, Hi, where are you guys? 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 4: I'm currently in San Francisco. 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Oh cool, I'm in LA Oh awesome. 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Well thank you for doing this. I went into quarantine 69 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: because I was exposed. So I've I've been hanging out 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: solo and quarantined for over fourteen days now and discovered 71 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: this little thing someone told me about called quarantine jat. 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe this to people, but 73 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: it is so amazing. 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: You literally just get this random call and it's like 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: this cool music and then the next thing you know, 76 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you're speaking with somebody who's also in quarantine. 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because when we first started it, the 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: whole world was not in quarantine. It was like, you know, 79 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: people in China were in quarantine and Italy was just 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 4: starting to be in quarantine. So there are also some 81 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: people that were self isolating, like you decided to stay inside. 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: So I thought like, oh, well, you know, someone who 83 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: is self isolating could get a call from someone else 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: and maybe if they're not self isolating, it'll cheer them up, 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: or they can talk about like you know, things they're 86 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: doing with their day and recipes whatever and just like 87 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: feel less alone. But since creating it, like the whole 88 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: world has kind of become lockdown. So like this app 89 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 4: has reached I mean, what it's in eight how many 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: different time zones. It's all over the world. I mean 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: I've matched with you know, someone in Berlin and in 92 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 4: Spain and in France and. 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 5: That's what hon two days ago, Wow, Paris all over 94 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 5: the Wow. 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: Also just like I mean within this country, someone is saying, like, oh, 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: I matched with someone in Tennessee and I actually have 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: never like talked from someone in Tennessee. They were in LA. 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so how exacutely does the app work? 99 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 100 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 5: So you go to quarantine chat dot com and sign 101 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 5: up and then you get the app. And once you 102 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 5: have the app installed, you start receiving phone calls roughly 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 5: once or twice a day. And if you get the 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 5: call you pick up, it says quarantine Chat on the 105 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 5: caller ID, And when you pick up, you're connected with 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 5: a random person who's also called at the same time 107 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: somewhere else in the globe, and you get a short 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 5: prompt that gives you a topic of conversation. You can 109 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: follow that topic or ignore it, and then you can 110 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 5: talk for as long as you like, and it's totally free. 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 5: If you don't have time, you can ignore the call 112 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 5: and your match will be sent to someone else, so 113 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about if you're busy missing 114 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 5: the call. 115 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: There's just something really special. 116 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: I remember I was having a morning probably like day 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: four of like self isolation in New York. Like it's 118 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: not like we're in these large, large apartments unless you're 119 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, doing incredibly, incredibly well. And I was having 120 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: a moment and I got a call and it was 121 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: my first quarantine call, and it was like, all of 122 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, I look at my phone when it rings, 123 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: it's this quarantine chat and I picked it up, and 124 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I remember I was like sitting in my bed and 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: this woman answered. 126 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: Her name was Kathy, and we. 127 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: Had a really good conversation. Of course, she was like, 128 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about yourself. I was like, well, 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm self isolating alone. I'm not very domestic, so like, 130 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm cooking, send help, And I said 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: all these very self deprecating things. 132 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: I was like, how about you. 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: She's like, well, I heard about this app because this 134 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: girl I follow in the media tweeted it. 135 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: Her name is Laurie. I was like, she was like, 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: what's your name. I was like, oh, Mary. I was like, well, 137 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: but I told her it was me. 138 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: But but we ended up having this incredibly human conversation 139 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: about mental health and she was struggling a lot, I think, 140 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: mentally with this and what it meant, and you know, 141 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: and it was just I just could tell she just 142 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: wanted someone to talk to and so so I think 143 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: there's something really interesting about hearing each other's voices again 144 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: at a time when I think we had almost like 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: stopped calling each other before. 146 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Please. 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 148 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: I think people I've talked to have described the experience 149 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: as very freeing because they have no knowledge of like 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: who the other person is, and they could talk about 151 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: whatever they feel like in that moment. And it's different 152 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: than connecting with someone through some channel where like you 153 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: know the whole bio, you know about that person, there's 154 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 4: context in your conversation, is like aimed about a particular thing. 155 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: Like the idea that in the moment, if you want 156 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: to talk about a specific thing, you can is kind 157 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: of nice. 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 159 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I and I also think it's it's interesting 160 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: because this is a moment where there's a lot of 161 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: fear and who knew that just hearing a stranger's voice 162 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: every once in a while could make you feel a 163 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: little bit better, you. 164 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: Know, totally if you feel totally less alone, if you're 165 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: you know, you're worried about things and you find out 166 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: someone else is worried about the same stuff, it sort 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: of feels comforting. 168 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, how many people across the world, like, do you 169 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: know how many different countries you guys are in or 170 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: how many what's the current count max? 171 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 5: Do you haven't looked in a while? 172 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can look in real time. 173 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, we got like a lot of people talking in 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: the phone right now. 175 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, because we triggered the call happened. The last 176 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: quarantine chat call happened at around one thirty, so forty 177 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: five minutes ago. 178 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: Oh I just had one. I just woman in North Carolina. 179 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah nice. 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah that's really cool. 181 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: So you guys just like sit in your you can 182 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: like you're sitting in your own self isolation. 183 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: You could like trigger the Yeah, I mean I'm sort 184 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 4: of a switchboard operator because I handle if someone we 185 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: get we know, if a call got disconnected for some reason, 186 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: like someone loses their internet, I reconnect them. But man, 187 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 4: I reconnect them right now. So I'm a I am 188 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: a human switchboard operator. But yeah, we can when a 189 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 4: call happens, we like can see our bandwidth being used. 190 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: So how you guys make sure that this doesn't turn 191 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: into like phone sex dot com? 192 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 4: You know, I h there's a there's so many ways 193 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: we prevent that from happening. I mean, right, you can't 194 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: call anyone, yeah calls you? So if you're desiring a 195 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: specific type of interaction, you can't just hit next, like 196 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 4: hang up on someone. I want a new call. You 197 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: can't just do next, next, next, next, next, until I 198 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: get someone who wants to respond to like this particular 199 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: kind of interaction I have. And I think having those, 200 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: you know, those these conversations are like, you know, they're precious. 201 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: You only get the call one to two times a day, 202 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: and so that is your only opportunity, and so would 203 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: you would how do you want to spend that one call? 204 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 5: I think there's also one of the like the values 205 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 5: that we try to maintain is having a diversity of 206 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: different sorts of people that you get matched with. And 207 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: so like if you get match with someone from Ghana 208 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 5: one day, we want it to be someone in Missouri 209 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 5: the next day. And yeah, or like different kinds of 210 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: people to get different perspectives. And I hope that that 211 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 5: sort of mixing exposes you to different sorts of people 212 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 5: and ideas. 213 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys have any stories that you'll remember 214 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: of people you've spoken to? 215 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: Oh? 216 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean every call feels so different, like I'm 217 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: transported into another world. But yeah, I've talked I talked 218 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: to a makeup blogger in Dubai who was very She 219 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: was an intern at a company, and she was about 220 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: when she's planning on graduating in April, and she was 221 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: hoping to get higher but because she works in advertising 222 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: for restaurant chains like like du Buy California Pizza Kitchen, 223 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: and they're not you know, restaurants are kind of losing 224 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 4: money so they can't do advertising. So she's really afraid 225 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: of like not getting her job. But yeah, I talked 226 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 4: to someone in Hiroshima whose friend has a hostel and 227 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: the hostel is closing and her friend is trying to 228 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: be really positive by only posting happy things on Instagram, 229 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: but inside feels very afraid. Yeah, I get these glimpses 230 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: into how this virus is affecting people's lives and all 231 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 4: over the world, and it's kind of similar stories but 232 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: in you know, all theous different countries, which is fascinating. 233 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 5: Pretty early on, I connected with someone who was like 234 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 5: a student studying in Paris, and she told me that 235 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: like the night before she had found out that her 236 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: roommate had the virus and had a party like a 237 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: couple nights prior, and everyone that was there had to 238 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 5: be quarantined and we're like waiting to find out if 239 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: they have been infected. And she was just talking about 240 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: how scary it is to know that, like her roommate 241 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 5: is next door and it's infected. It's dangerous and what 242 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 5: it's like to not know. 243 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, m yeah, I went through that. 244 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I think for me, because I was exposed. 245 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: And then it was just like you just wait, right, 246 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Like you just sit and you wait and you wonder 247 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: like am I going to be okay? And man, like 248 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: does that do things to your head? So that's when 249 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: I had my first quarantine chet call. But but yeah, 250 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: that's it's extraordinarily scary. And then of course it's it's 251 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: coupled with this idea of like, well, I'm also really 252 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: worried about my friend who had it, and I also 253 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: want to show them so much love and support. And 254 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: then it's also I'm worried about my parents, and now 255 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: I can't go be near my parents because I could 256 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: harm them. I mean, it's extraordinarily human questions that what's 257 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: interesting about what you guys are doing is like we're 258 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: all facing them in some capacity, no matter where we are, 259 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's devastating and also it's really extraordinary 260 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: and human too. So m hm, who knows how long 261 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: we're all going to be in this? Where do you 262 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: where do you want this to go? 263 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: It's interesting. Yeah, I'm kind of curious how spending. What 264 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: sort of effects after say, we're all out of quarantine 265 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: at some point, Yeah, like what we continue these sorts 266 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: of interesting digital communication habits that we've all developed during quarantine. 267 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean I think like I would after, 268 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: you know, if I can still go out in the world. 269 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 4: Of course, I enjoy talking to people on the phone. 270 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: Will I continue to have these relationships with people all 271 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: over the world and just discuss, like what we're doing 272 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: in our lives even after we're all out. 273 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 5: I'm excited to see if people meet in person. 274 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that when this is over, we all 275 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: hold that in some capacity and hold that sense of 276 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: humanity and love and care for each other, because I definitely, 277 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: I definitely think that's pretty important. So you know, I'm 278 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: on maybe I'll get connected with you guys again. Maybe 279 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: we'll do this all over quarantine chat. 280 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: But by the way. 281 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: This whole podcast episode, I'm just gonna call people in 282 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: quarantine because I'm totally copying you, guys. 283 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: I think it's great. So anything left to be said. 284 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: Oh. 285 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: M yeah. 286 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: I mean I feel like. 287 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: If anyone is afraid to talk on the phone or 288 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: like feels hesitant to pick it up, like it's surprisingly 289 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: easy to talk to people, which people might not, they 290 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 4: might be like hesitant. I mean, we've designed it. We 291 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 4: designed it for introverts in mind. And there's a question 292 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: at the beginning of the call, and you know the 293 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: person on the other end wants to listen to you. 294 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: Typically you both want to have a conversation. So I 295 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 4: encourage anyone who's phone rings and they're like, I don't know, 296 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: just like try it. 297 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: Okay, we've got to take a quick break to hear 298 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: from our sponsors more with my guests after the break. 299 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: My first week in quarantine, people sent voice memos describing 300 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: their experience in self isolation. 301 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: We had a. 302 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Bunch of folks send them in and there was one 303 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: that really struck me. I want to play it for 304 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: you guys. It called to question the ethics of this 305 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: moment and our own moral compass. 306 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 6: This past week and when I had to work, so 307 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 6: I should probably have said that it's a gem that 308 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 6: I work at it's testing my ethics quite a bit. 309 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 6: I did everything in my power that I could to 310 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 6: make it as sanitary as possible, and especially considering that 311 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 6: the population that goes there's a little bit on the 312 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: older side. So that's also another conundrum. I guess you 313 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 6: could say, but I can't pay my bills unless I work. 314 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 6: I have a significant I mean, most of my income 315 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 6: goes towards paying those bills, and I can't pay them 316 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 6: if I don't work. But that then, I mean, there's 317 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 6: another voice in my head that says, that's extremely selfish 318 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 6: and unethical of you, because you're directly endangering people's lives 319 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 6: by you working. As you see, that job put me 320 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 6: in quite a conundrum. 321 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 5: Hi, Hi, how you doing. 322 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I so appreciate you sending in that voice memo. I 323 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: listened to it immediately and I was really moved by it, 324 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: So thank you. 325 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 326 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: No, of course, I wasn't to be honest, I wasn't 327 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 6: really expecting to hear back. I just kind of wanted 328 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 6: to let you guys know and it was cool. Thank 329 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 6: you for offering that. It was kind of cool to 330 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 6: be known or know that you're being heard, So thank you. 331 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: Well, Hi, you're welcome and hi from my isolation. Yeah, 332 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: let me let me start with your not alone. We're 333 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: all unfortunately kind of in this together. But there's you know, 334 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: there's some humanity in that. And I've I'm self isolating 335 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: in my place here in New York, and you sent 336 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: us a voice memo and you talk about starting with 337 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: your work. You had a real conflict with your work, 338 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: and you talked about kind of this decision and you said, 339 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: do I stay because your gym wasn't closing down? 340 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: And do I put other people at risk? 341 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: Or do I risk not being able to pay my 342 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: bills and keep people safe myself included. 343 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: So what did you decide to ultimately do? 344 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: Uh? 345 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 6: Well, it was not too long after that call, being 346 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: in California or not called, but the memo Gavin Newsome 347 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 6: and pose the shelter in place order. I was conflicted 348 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 6: because one of the workplaces is a small business and 349 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 6: they were very reluctant, and I understand where they're coming from. 350 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 6: I guess it's. 351 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: A lot of people. 352 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 6: There's a lot of uncertainty on the financial side of 353 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 6: things for people, and I get that. So kind of 354 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 6: a background that I work at, like the one gem 355 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 6: was kind of more that corporate style JEM and another 356 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: this other gem was a CrossFit gym or functional fitness, 357 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 6: and there was an awesome community there. You developed deep 358 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 6: personal relationships and it's almost like your family in a way. 359 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 6: And if even one of them something bad happened, something 360 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 6: serious happened, how would I be able to live with that? 361 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 6: It was inflicting in that because being a younger person. 362 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 6: One of the gyms I worked at was the demographics 363 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 6: did tend to be older, older individuals, and I know 364 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: that the risk is lower for younger people. That doesn't 365 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 6: mean that bad things haven't happened for younger people, but 366 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 6: it's that question of what if I have it. Maybe 367 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 6: I'm asymptomatic, right, and I passed it on to one 368 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 6: of them, But the thought of that, I just thought 369 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 6: it was immoral, I guess, and I started to push 370 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 6: back and saying, hey, we I'm not going to coach anymore. 371 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 6: Like I laid it out there for them. I didn't 372 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 6: feel comfortable. But it kind of coincided luckily with Newsom's 373 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 6: order too, So I guess the universe was kind of 374 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 6: looking out for us in a way. 375 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I think that voice memo and what 376 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: you said to us is a little bit of like 377 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: a moment and so kind of capturing the psychology around 378 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: perhaps what makes you go in and do that when 379 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: you don't have one hundred percent all the facts, but 380 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: you got the feeling and some pushback and some real questions. 381 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: I think is really interesting and perhaps says something about you. 382 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 383 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 6: It's it's kind of when you said the you know, 384 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 6: looking at the moments, and it instantly reminded me of 385 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 6: to kind of get cliche again the Steve Jobs connect 386 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 6: the dots. It's easy to connect the dots looking backwards. 387 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 6: That people forget that you can't connect the dots looking forward. 388 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 6: You may not even know what the dots are. 389 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about this moment is a lot of 390 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: dots right like Yeah, And I think for every human 391 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: being it's like we're all living our own story in 392 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: a way and collectively where you have to do it 393 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: without not a lot of answers. So I think, you know, 394 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: this idea of understanding the question in a little bit 395 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: and sitting with this uncertainty and being able to make 396 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: some decisions around it is really interesting. 397 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 2: Do you have like family are you married. 398 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 6: I'm single. I have family. Luckily they're all local, about 399 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 6: a ten minute drive away. 400 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: So is it hard. 401 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are self isolating with 402 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: family with significant others. Is it hard for you to 403 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: do it without somebody? Do you ask yourself those questions? 404 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: Or are you okay with the solo nature of it? 405 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 6: I guess it kind of there's a stark difference now 406 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 6: from the loneliness here to when you go, Like before, 407 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 6: you know, I'd interact with people at the gym and 408 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 6: get out and about, but now it's like the only 409 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 6: time that there's any interaction is that. 410 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 3: Like the grocery store. 411 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 6: And I even know for me, it was kind of 412 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 6: like I had to take a double take because I 413 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 6: was walking on the aisle and somebody like turned the 414 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 6: corner and it was kind of like whoa, And I 415 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 6: like took the biggest side step I've ever taken in 416 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 6: my life. And after I did that, I just stood there. 417 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 6: First time, I was like, did I really just do that? 418 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 6: But it was it was kind of like that subconscious reaction. 419 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: Are you afraid? 420 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm very uncertain. 421 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 6: I guess you could say, but there's nothing wrong with that, 422 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 6: I guess, And I feel like people tend to want 423 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 6: to put on a front like they know what's going on, 424 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: but sometimes you just don't. And there's a lot of 425 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 6: variables out of our control. And it's not realizing that 426 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 6: and then taking action where you can, I think is 427 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 6: it's not only calming, but it it shows you that 428 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 6: you do have you do have some power to affect 429 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 6: not only yourselves but the people around you. 430 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's zoom out to Spain. My next quarantine 431 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: call is with Pablo Sanchez Blanco. He's living in a 432 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: small town close to Madrid. Like many of us, he's 433 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: worried about his parents. 434 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: It's personal. 435 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: Several of his family members are working in local hospitals, 436 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: overwhelmed with patients, often unprotected, and putting their own lives 437 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: at risk to save others. Hey, how are you hello? 438 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you good? 439 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: Good? Wow? Thanks for doing this. I know you're you're 440 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: in Madrid right now? Right? 441 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: Yep? MADRITI has maybe like little cities soroun in Madrid 442 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: and I live in Alkalineas, which is like twenty kilometers 443 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: away from Adrid. 444 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: Cool. 445 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me here. I think it's great 446 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: to have the opportunity to speak with people from our countries, 447 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: especially in a situation like this, which is worldwide. And 448 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: I'm very into this situation now because, for example, my 449 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: girlfriend s is a doctor, my mom, she works, she 450 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: leaves the kitsen in the hospital here in my city. 451 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: My father has been a doctor as well for thirty years. 452 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: And we're seeing how they're struggling, not even daily, hourly, 453 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: so hour by hour, they're giving everything they have to 454 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: try to get us out of this. 455 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me, let's start with you. Are you 456 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: self isolating? 457 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? Everyone is self aciliating. 458 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: And so before we kind of dig into all of it, 459 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: I just I want to ask you kind of a 460 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: basic question, like how are you doing. 461 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I think you try to innovate within 462 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: your house right too. I'm communicating more with my family 463 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: and I'm getting closer to my neighbors. I think I'm 464 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: on one side. You see all this information coming from 465 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: the media and TV, which is bad, really bad, and 466 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: it's getting worse and worse and worse, which kind of 467 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: depressed you a bit. But then you go out at 468 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 3: eight pm every day, goes out and claps to all 469 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 3: the people, which is working for us, and it explain. 470 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: That what do you do? You go out and clap 471 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: every day? 472 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: Eight? Yeah? 473 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: Everyone set that scene. I don't know what that looks like. 474 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: What do you do? 475 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: Everyone? Everyone at eight pm goes outside in the windows 476 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: out clasps. But you can hear like thousands of people 477 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 3: clapping in their buildings, in their windows in the balconies. 478 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: It kind of brings you up. People start playing music 479 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: after that, and you get parties in the windows, people 480 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: drinking in the windows, saying hi to neighbors. Neighbors too. 481 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: I didn't even speak in my life and now meeting 482 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: them through the window. So is bad the cities and 483 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: is really bad that you kind of have this environment 484 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: and you're sharing this with everyone. 485 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: How is it impacting you personally? 486 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: Personally? I think it's really stressing situition. So for example, 487 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: my mom in the hospital. The fact that they don't 488 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: have materials at all, they don't have masks, they don't 489 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 3: have towns, they don't have anything to protect themselves. It 490 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: kind of struss you out. So I'm stressed for all 491 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: these people who, especially in a country like Spain or Italy. 492 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: Our brothers there this these old people. They've been fighting 493 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: adult to get us out of many political things, really 494 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: bad things, and now when they can retire and unrest, 495 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: and this comes right. But for me personally, I'm good 496 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: getting stressed by all this thing and kinds of it's 497 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: going up and happen up and you don't see the 498 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 3: lights at the end of the tunnel. 499 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: So your mom is in the hospital, what is she 500 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: telling you? 501 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: She's she's people in hospitals now there they're so strong, 502 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: so strong, she's telling me. For example, in the hospital 503 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: here in my city, hospital of Falcala, which two days 504 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: ago it was the hospital with more debts. In the beginning, 505 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: you get people from other cities, which is being so 506 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: many people is getting infected in one city. Everyone is 507 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 3: going to the hospital of the city, are surrounding and 508 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: then so they see the waves of people coming. They 509 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: don't have materials, so they are all infected. They will 510 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: be all infected. Fourteen percent of the health public workers 511 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: here in Spain are infected, and they don't have even 512 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: tests to test theirselves. My mom, for example, she couldn't 513 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: test herself to see if she's infected. They're getting She 514 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: leads the kids here in the hospital and yesterday I 515 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 3: think it was six people called for a leave because 516 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: they were infected. They know many of them are infected, 517 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: and they're still going to work and they're doing sixteen 518 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: hour sieves to twenty four hour sieves. They're asking for help, 519 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 3: they're getting now help, but it's too late. Now it's 520 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: already collapsed. They have people in the floor in the 521 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: hospitals and they have to decide. Her colleagues, her doctors, 522 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: image house stressful is for you. And there was a 523 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: woman yesterday, an old lady, she recorded a video for 524 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: sale and asking for help because her husband got into 525 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: the hospital. He was like seventy or sixty five and 526 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: he was really bad. And a man was forty years 527 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: old came into the hospital as well. In testive care. 528 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: Of course, they're going straight to intestive care, and doctors 529 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: they have to decide, so we go for this old 530 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 3: man which is forty instead of this guy. So they 531 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: will tell you, okay, you can take now your husband 532 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: home and he will die at home, that's for sure. 533 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: And this decision for the people who is working in 534 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: the hospitals is really bad. 535 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: As your mom talked about having to make those types 536 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: of decisions they are having to witness them. 537 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they're Winna saying now as well, people 538 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: from university, because they're getting people from university working into hospitals. 539 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: So here in Spain, medicine is six years. They're getting 540 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: people from the fifth and the sixth year working into 541 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: the hospital. And these young people they're specially scared because 542 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: they're seeing now all the corpses bringing down and they 543 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: cannot even take it. So they open a huge mode 544 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: that we have in Madrid to take all the corpses. 545 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: And you see this all coming down from the hospital 546 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: into the truck, the military trucks, and you see all 547 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 3: these military trucks going around the city. 548 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: Is bad. 549 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: So this is what I was saying, that is making 550 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: you seeing all these kind You try to keep up, 551 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: but seeing all these things going up and up and 552 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: up kind of affects you. 553 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: It's like my whole career, I can interview people from Afar, 554 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: right and thank god, that's awful and have so much empathy. 555 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: And I think maybe the scariest part of this interview 556 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: even for me, is thinking like it's here, you know, 557 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: it's it's maybe a couple of weeks away from from 558 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: from me being able to describe the scene that you 559 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: just described to me, I could be describing it to you. 560 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: I think about the fear and all of this, and 561 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and I think there's just so much fear. 562 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the so yourself isolating you. You're good, 563 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 3: you try to pain, you try to, but you can 564 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: feel the fear growing up and growing up. And this 565 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: is what I love about being here with you, guys, 566 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: talking to you is try to to tell you what 567 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: we did bad and so please don't do it. Please 568 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: don't believe that it's just a flu something else. And 569 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: the sooner you go home and isolate yourself and make 570 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: your elders to isolate as well, it's the better for 571 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: everyone because, yeah, we're one week away from Italy. I 572 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: think we we can be wiser than governments here. And 573 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: the weapon that we have is what you just said, empathy, 574 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: and is empathy for all of us together and also 575 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: empathy for the people which is working in hospitals or 576 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: people which is working outside or in supermarkets because they're 577 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: still open. We need to have this empathy for them 578 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: and stay at our houses because they just can't handle 579 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: any more. People in hospitals et cetera. So I think 580 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: this is the biggest weapon we have empathy. 581 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: What do you do when you're really afraid? 582 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: You have your mom is working in the hospital, this 583 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: is really close to you. 584 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: What do you do when you're afraid. 585 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: I talked to her. She has like this ability to 586 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: to be like, it's just one more day and it 587 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: will be over. You know, we try to think that 588 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: it will be over, It will be over. 589 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: What is the hardest part for you? 590 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: For me, the hardest part is to for example, now 591 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: we're seeing the news. I think the hardest part is 592 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: too because imam people in hospitals which are in intensive 593 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: care and they cannot speak to their families and they 594 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: will die alone because no one can go inside, and 595 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: they will die alone. They willn't they will not have 596 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: a funeral. Funerals are forbiddom for coronavirus deaths. So in 597 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: my own families that they couldn't even say, not even goodbye. 598 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: It's not just you just go to the hospital with them, 599 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 3: to the urgency and and that's it right gone. 600 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: M hmm. 601 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: What do you want people to know? What do you 602 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: think is important? 603 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: What I would tell you is that first and I 604 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: know it's hard. Don't be scared, do not panic. But 605 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: I think that the biggest thing that we can do 606 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: is is just to stay in our houses. You know, 607 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: our grandfathers, they were called to war and we're cold 608 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 3: to stay in our houses, so it's just to stay 609 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: at home. 610 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: How has this changed you? 611 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: And I think it's soon still for me to well, 612 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 3: it's not soon. I think when after this, me and everyone, 613 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: I think we will all not love but try to 614 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 3: say how much we love to our parents and elders 615 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 3: because now we see them at a real risk. 616 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: Okay, we've got to take a quick break to hear 617 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: from our sponsors. Thank you guys for sharing your stories 618 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: with me. And I want to end with a quote. 619 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorites. It's something I've lived 620 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: by as a journalist. It's by Joan Didion, who's just 621 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: one of my favorite authors. 622 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: She says, we tell our ourselves stories in order to live. Well, 623 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: we're all. 624 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: In the same story this go around. We're all experiencing love, courage, anxiety, fear, 625 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully above all, empathy. What an extraordinary thing that 626 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: the through line of all of this is that although 627 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: we may be socially distant. Collectively, we can work together, 628 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: stay inside and save each other. Thank you to everyone 629 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: who reached out to me. I love hearing from you, 630 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: and special thanks to Danielle, Max, Joe, Julie, Pablo, and Brett. 631 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: Your stories, your courage, and your resilience keep me going too. 632 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: So I'm going to throw this out there and these 633 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: times of social distancing, when everything feels completely unknown. I've 634 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: always believed it's important to stay connected, but I believe 635 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: that now more than ever. And I say, and I 636 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: really mean it, reach out to us, reach out to me, 637 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: keep an eye out on our social media. 638 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna have ways to participate. 639 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: You can text me nine one seven five four zero 640 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: three four one zero. Also, if you have anything you're 641 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: thinking about, if you're sitting in self isolation, if you're 642 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: in your head, if you want to say something, you've 643 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: got questions, send me a voice memo to First Contact 644 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com. I want to do my 645 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: best to be there for everyone during this tough time. 646 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: I want you guys to know we are listening. We'll 647 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: also be hosting zoom town halls on different issues during 648 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: this time, so follow along and participate for some human 649 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: ish Contact, you can connect with me. I'm self isolating here. 650 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm at Lori Siegel. On Twitter and Instagram. The show 651 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: is at First Contact Podcast. On Instagram and on Twitter, 652 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: you can find us. We're at First Contact Pod. First 653 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: Contact is a production of Dot dot dot Com Media, 654 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: executive produced by Lori Siegel and Derek Dodge. I will 655 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: say we're being creative and executive producing this from home 656 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: and self isolation at the moment. This episode was produced 657 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: and edited by Sabine Jansen and Jack Reagan. The original 658 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: theme music is by Xander Singh. I'm sending my thoughts 659 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: to each and every one of you, guys, and so 660 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: is our whole First Contact crew during this time. 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