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Speaker 1: All right, we are black. We are black?

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Speaker 2: Well we are.

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Speaker 1: This is why Tiffy does the segways.

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Speaker 2: Because I am so bad to no. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to read this behemoth of a

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Speaker 1: message or what? What? What are we trying to do?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, because you're gonna like and like.

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Speaker 3: And the Many is such a journalist that, like me,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna rework for words Many like like her, her

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Speaker 3: like like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how you do it, but I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 2: she's good.

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Speaker 3: I'm like the boy is good and fast he can't

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Speaker 3: and then it's like the boy runs, okay, he runs like.

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Speaker 4: If it's not how you wrote it, it's because I listen,

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Speaker 4: we got to edit live.

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Speaker 3: You do.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, man, you got it.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 4: The one thing I will say is Planar Patty at

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Speaker 4: least is self aware because she gave her this anonymous

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Speaker 4: nickname pseudonym for this purpose. Planar Patty says, I am

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Speaker 4: writing to get both of your feedback. My husband and

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Speaker 4: I currently both work full time. He makes roughly ninety K.

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Speaker 4: I make eighty five K. We're both thirty one. You

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Speaker 4: guys are going to hear all of her plans. Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's just go through the plans right now. We're renting

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Speaker 4: out our master bedroom on Airbnb. We live in the

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Speaker 4: extra ten k each year after taxes. We're currently trying

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Speaker 4: to build house number two that we also want to

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Speaker 4: rent out for extra income so we can bring more.

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Speaker 1: Money in in.

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Speaker 4: We have six months of our expenses save so far,

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Speaker 4: but we don't have a lot in retirement, just over

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Speaker 4: because we've spent most of the money on building our

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Speaker 4: that we want to have three children back to back

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Speaker 4: once we turn thirty three and be completed by thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: By age thirty eight, as well as start our own

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Speaker 4: design business at Design Build Business. At the same time.

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Speaker 4: I'm an architect, so we want to essentially develop my

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Speaker 4: designs and sell houses plans, et cetera. I've been using

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Speaker 4: first trials. The reason we want to do this is

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Speaker 4: because we both hate our jobs and the amount of

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Speaker 4: to transition to doing life on our own terms. Is

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Speaker 4: there any advice y'all have as we embark on executing

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Speaker 4: this plan? Nandy, you have a husband with children starting

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Speaker 4: your own business is really inspiring to me and Tiffany

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Speaker 4: you are this kind open, insightful black woman business owner

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Speaker 4: who has goals for me. Any advice y'all have? Whoo, planner, Patty,

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Speaker 4: let's get into it. TIF.

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Speaker 3: So first reaction, well, first reaction, I'm just like reading

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Speaker 2: My first reaction is that kudos.

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Speaker 3: To you for being clear right about the desired outcome

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Speaker 3: for your life.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing if you listened to with that. But

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Speaker 2: so earlier this week with Rachel Rogers, she said, say

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Speaker 2: the thing and the fact that this planet, Patty, you have

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Speaker 2: said the thing. I own my own business with my

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Speaker 2: I want three kids. I want honestly, that's what you're

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Speaker 3: So one of the things I've learned, just as a

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Speaker 3: important to have a framework but.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of flexibility.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, the part that struck me the

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Speaker 3: to say a giggle, like a nervous giggle because as

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Speaker 3: the framework says I'd like to start a family, but

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Speaker 3: the flexibility says, you don't know what could happen in

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like you might, you might,

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Speaker 2: you know, you might. I'm just saying you know, or

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Speaker 3: There's just especially with fertility, it is just a there's

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Speaker 3: I'm like three kids back to back and starting a

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Speaker 3: baton of Mandy because she's like, girl, hey, b a fan,

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you started out the way that you did,

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Speaker 4: because it's true. We do encourage y'all to have plans, Yes,

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Speaker 4: because I think you do want to design your life

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Speaker 4: and it's great. I mean, honestly, I want a third kid.

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Speaker 4: Have I said that out loud? The hormones with remy

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Speaker 4: out what is just you know, evolution ensuring the continuation

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Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Clear on it and I refuse to act on it

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so, but I never would have imagined myself

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Speaker 4: How having a child, just one, let alone three will

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Speaker 4: impact your personal life, your relationship, your the way that

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Speaker 4: like they'll be something. But I would say, if you

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Speaker 4: saying I'm genuine about this. You'll need someone to help you,

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Speaker 2: Well, can I let me ask you a question, Mandy.

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Speaker 3: So, one of the things the planning Patty said is

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Speaker 4: No thanks, because when I'm reading the questions sometimes it's

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Speaker 4: You will so not you will have something like time,

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Speaker 4: I would encourage at least, and I'll just say it

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Speaker 4: and could have had before kids, just because that one

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Speaker 4: I'll ever really get time with I maybe get little

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Speaker 1: It's fun having kids. I want to go to the zoo.

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Speaker 2: And I remember Mom told me that.

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Speaker 3: And so she's just like it it's really hard, like

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Speaker 2: Family and a business.

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Speaker 3: Not that it's impossible, but certainly it'll likely be more challenging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something your body will change or you're assuming

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Speaker 2: Or with a baby arms.

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Speaker 1: You won't drown.

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Speaker 2: You and that baby's don't float like heard about you.

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Speaker 3: Like not.

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Speaker 4: Is that how Moses got to be? I don't have

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Speaker 4: the biblical story anyway. Thank you for your question, playing

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Speaker 4: your patty, and I hope that well, first you've inspired.

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Speaker 4: I hope a lot of people would just like get

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Speaker 2: Framework with lots of flexibility. So yeah, we wish you

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Speaker 2: well do all right, Well, that is the show.

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Speaker 1: Sorry manager, next day, next pet what no, no?

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Speaker 2: I said? Sorry I cut you off.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, y'all buy you

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Speaker 3: Just like that.