Speaker 1: I'm attracted to the dark side of greatness or the
Speaker 1: dark side of like the tugs of identity and love.
Speaker 1: And the gap between a hero and a villain is
Speaker 1: much It's very similar to like the gap between winning
Speaker 1: and losing and greatness to you know, be good to
Speaker 1: great Like that gap is so much closer than people think,
Speaker 1: and it's very small, fundamental details that separate you. That's
Speaker 1: the space that I like to like dive into a lot.
Speaker 2: What is it the saying you live long enough to
Speaker 2: the hero, you die the villain or something dark knight,
Speaker 2: dark Knight, the dire hero, live long enough to be
Speaker 2: the villain. I mean, that's as true as you can get.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack
Speaker 2: and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find
Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we
Speaker 2: are covering game one of the twenty twenty two NBA
Speaker 2: Season sixers versus Celtics with West Virginia legend and New
Speaker 2: England native NBA champions and movie buff coach Joe Missoula,
Speaker 2: and we get into talking Joe's first game as an
Speaker 2: NBA head coach.
Speaker 1: Just don't make this about your first game. Make this
Speaker 1: about how we can win the game.
Speaker 2: Coach also shows us a tattoo that has never been shown.
Speaker 3: This is the first time, I mean since so I
Speaker 3: have this.
Speaker 2: Wow, what makes Boston such a great sports town?
Speaker 1: When I see people wearing Celtic gear and they don't
Speaker 1: see me, I got goosebumps.
Speaker 2: And then we get into talking about what it's like
Speaker 2: crossing paths with other pro athletes. In this week's Chill Zone,
Speaker 2: presented by Cooler's Light, you gotta stick around to the
Speaker 2: very end. Let's call games with names of production of
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Speaker 2: We got plans on August twenty eight.
Speaker 4: You got plans on August twenty.
Speaker 2: No, they have plans on August twenty because we are
Speaker 2: doing another live show. Let's go.
Speaker 4: It's just games.
Speaker 3: The names dues and dudes.
Speaker 4: Gron's going to be there.
Speaker 2: I don't have a name yet. Well, regardless, we do
Speaker 2: have a play dues with games. Where's the place we
Speaker 2: have a place? MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston.
Speaker 2: One night only, one night only, one show, a lot
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be awesome. We learned a lot from last year.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's get back to Joe Missoula October eighteen,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, TD got Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Two Hopefield campaigns can go off on the parquet.
Speaker 2: The Missoula era is underway ones all right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: How many times do you think about the Roman Empire
Speaker 2: a week? This is like a masculinity thing because it's
Speaker 2: going around on the internet. What is like men? If
Speaker 2: you're such a masculine man, you probably think of like
Speaker 2: the Roman Empire like five times a week.
Speaker 3: Really, that's something I think about it at least once
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 1: I don't want to come off as dark, but I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of lightness in the dark. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot about the duality of like life
Speaker 1: and death and the decisions that you make and the
Speaker 1: balance of you know, the rise and fall of the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire and how the rise and fall of dynasties
Speaker 1: organizations yourself, your family.
Speaker 3: Like all those spaces of like that going too.
Speaker 1: I think about that probably thirty times a day, you know,
Speaker 1: just the duality of competition and what that means and
Speaker 1: your own mortality and how to play your part in
Speaker 1: that and going after something. And you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times when people pick a dream or pick a
Speaker 1: goal to go after, they only look at the positive
Speaker 1: side of that. They don't look at like the dark
Speaker 1: side of going after a goal. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: if you're going to go after a goal, there's probably
Speaker 1: just as much, if not more dark side as there
Speaker 1: is light side, you know, And that's that's what comes
Speaker 1: with it. So I think about that space probably all
Speaker 1: the time. You can't have one out the other.
Speaker 2: My dad used to say, goals without actions are just
Speaker 2: fucking dreams.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, sometimes are the dark things
Speaker 2: that you have to do, the sacrifice, the accountability, the
Speaker 2: ship that you have to run through to get to
Speaker 2: the top, that you have to you have to experience,
Speaker 2: the losing to get to where you have to go.
Speaker 2: And you know, failure the failure because the you know,
Speaker 2: you feel like life is all about failure. There's like
Speaker 2: five or six times where you don't fail. You're just
Speaker 2: hoping that those five or six times are badass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question.
Speaker 1: Life really is just a bunch of failures used to
Speaker 1: try to get as many successes as you can.
Speaker 2: Man, we're getting We're getting fucking deep. Let's let's let's
Speaker 2: welcome our guest. We have a very special guest. No,
Speaker 2: we gotta welcome a very special guest today here in
Speaker 2: the Nuthouse, Boston. Addition, to talk about Game one twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty twenty three NBA Season seventy six ers
Speaker 2: versus the Boston Celtics in game one of coach Missoula's
Speaker 2: coaching career in one sentence, don't get two in depth.
Speaker 2: We'll dive into the game in one sentence. Why this game?
Speaker 1: I mean it's the Celtics, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: was the beginning of our journey that you know we're
Speaker 1: now three years into. And uh, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you can never you can never stop learning. But when
Speaker 1: you when it's your first game and it's your first opportunity,
Speaker 1: and you look back three years from now when the
Speaker 1: journey that you're on. It's always good to go back
Speaker 1: and kind of see, like, man, that's what I was
Speaker 1: thinking in that moment and kind of where you're at now.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just the greatest game of all time.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not no, All right, well, we just hope
Speaker 1: the greatest game of all time hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, let's go. That's a great answer.
Speaker 1: But hey, thanks for talking to the team this year,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to be here, so I appreciate the
Speaker 1: growth of our you know, relationship.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm hoping my words meant something. Maybe not work,
Speaker 2: Coach didn't wandn't work. It didn't work, So I got
Speaker 2: to fucking work. So maybe don't call me next year.
Speaker 2: I won't ever come talk to the team.
Speaker 3: Guest speakers that aren't welcome back.
Speaker 2: And I guess I'm on there. No fly list, bro,
Speaker 2: no fly list, jesus, I feel like a soft Now,
Speaker 2: Coach talk to us about the off season. How's it
Speaker 2: going so far?
Speaker 1: I think your buddy's hoodie when I walked in today
Speaker 1: said it best. Happily miserable.
Speaker 2: Happily miserable.
Speaker 3: That's how it's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to bring that, We got to get
Speaker 2: you a happily miserable. It's hootiful.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful expression and a very honest and uh.
Speaker 2: What does it mean to you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's the space.
Speaker 1: It's the space of of where people are trying to
Speaker 1: live and you know, I don't I don't think you
Speaker 1: can have one without the other, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you can have too much of one. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's a balance of like, you know, you're in
Speaker 1: a space right now. We didn't achieve our goal. I mean,
Speaker 1: our goal is to win a championship every single year.
Speaker 1: We have a responsibility and ownership, uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: the city, to the organization, really to our to ourselves
Speaker 1: in the competitive arena to try and do that every year,
Speaker 1: and you didn't do it. And so but at the
Speaker 1: same time, Uh, there were a lot of positive things
Speaker 1: that came out of the season, you know, as a team,
Speaker 1: as individuals, and there's a lot of stuff that that
Speaker 1: you know comes out of the positive you know, in
Speaker 1: your family and in your life, and.
Speaker 3: So you have to be able to accept both of
Speaker 3: those things.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the scariest thing is, like,
Speaker 1: if you plan on coaching or playing for a long
Speaker 1: long time, if you look at the ratio outside of
Speaker 1: like John Wooden right out back and Phil Jackson, the
Speaker 1: ratio of like successes to failures weighs heavier on the
Speaker 1: failure side if you count not winning your championship as
Speaker 1: a failure. And so that space of happily and miserable
Speaker 1: is somewhere where you've got to be extremely comfortable, because
Speaker 1: I think that's where you grow the most.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's how the off season's going. That's how now
Speaker 2: you guys are faced with some adversity. You know, I
Speaker 2: used to hear every every last meeting of the season,
Speaker 2: Bill would say, you know, that's the last time this
Speaker 2: team will be together. Next year. There's gonna be new
Speaker 2: coaches next year. There's gonna be new players next year.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be guys that leave, there's gonna be guys
Speaker 2: that come. How do you deal with an adversity like
Speaker 2: losing JT and then going into another season not knowing
Speaker 2: what your team's gonna be. How do you deal with
Speaker 2: these types of things as a coach.
Speaker 1: Mentally, I mean, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you got to sign up, you sign up for
Speaker 1: the journey. I don't think you sign up for the
Speaker 1: short term approach to one year. You know, if that
Speaker 1: was the case, and I would have retired after year two,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think you sign up for
Speaker 1: the journey, and you don't sign up for just one
Speaker 1: person's journey. I think you take on the journey of
Speaker 1: everybody you know in the organization, all of your players,
Speaker 1: all of your coaches, all your staff members, you're for
Speaker 1: however long you're together. You're on this journey. And there's
Speaker 1: different chapters in it, right, and each chapter has a
Speaker 1: different heading, has a different theme, has a different outlook.
Speaker 1: But it never gets you know, it doesn't get stopped written,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's how you have to
Speaker 1: look at it, is, Uh, you know, one chapter is over,
Speaker 1: the next chapter begins, and you know you have to
Speaker 1: take on, you know, other people's journeys, you know, to
Speaker 1: build those relationships and to go after stuff together.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of how we look at it.
Speaker 2: Coach. You have such in depth answers, like we haven't
Speaker 2: we were talking before the show, and you just you're
Speaker 2: always very deep. Do you read a lot? How fuck
Speaker 2: do you know all this shit? You're fucking younger than me.
Speaker 3: Thirty nine.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty nine.
Speaker 3: I mean so a couple of my favorite books are
Speaker 3: probably some of yours. Oh that's great. I think you
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing is I've been blessed
Speaker 1: to have great people, great family, great opportunities. But I
Speaker 1: think you've got to fight for a perspective because if
Speaker 1: you don't, you could lose yourself. And that's my biggest
Speaker 1: fear in life, is losing myself amongst all this worldly
Speaker 1: stuff that we're going after, which is important to go after.
Speaker 3: But like Ecclesiastes is my favorite book.
Speaker 2: No, that's not one of my football guy, not a
Speaker 2: big reader. Audiobook guy, I gotta listen. I can't read
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 1: Proverbs favorite book saw Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Psalms, the Book of Wisdoms.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think, you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the history of Israel and Rome. I think you
Speaker 1: just have to understand everything that came before you, and
Speaker 1: you have to understand what's possible to come after you.
Speaker 1: And so I think you have to fight for that perspective,
Speaker 1: and it's so easy to just get caught up in
Speaker 1: your own world and think what happened to me is
Speaker 1: either the greatest thing or the worst thing.
Speaker 2: Now what you just said there, you said you have
Speaker 2: to know what came before you do. You see coaching
Speaker 2: a new these newer players that they struggle with seeing
Speaker 2: and learning from the past, because you know, every older
Speaker 2: generation that leaves a locker room and welcomes a new
Speaker 2: generation into a locker room's like, man, I feel like
Speaker 2: every old guy says, man, they don't they don't they
Speaker 2: don't fight like they used to. Oh man, they don't
Speaker 2: understand the history like they used to. And now that
Speaker 2: I'm the old guy, and when I was the old
Speaker 2: guy in the locker room, I say to say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know the same thing. Do you see it's getting different?
Speaker 1: Or I think that comes from the generation being attached
Speaker 1: to its identity and not being able to let it
Speaker 1: go right like you see it all the time when
Speaker 1: like it happens to me, like I was a shit player,
Speaker 1: Like I was an average basketball player at best.
Speaker 3: You know, I just kind of tried hard.
Speaker 1: But the older you get, people's memories focus on certain things,
Speaker 1: and so I think you end up becoming better than
Speaker 1: what you once were at the time because everybody he
Speaker 1: always wants to remember that emotional good thing and that
Speaker 1: like that attachment to the identity, and it's like the
Speaker 1: older you get, the better you were.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. No, I it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm the complete opposite me. I am personally too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I get the more I laugh at how bad
Speaker 2: I actually was, exactly like I I don't think, like
Speaker 2: when people come up to me all the time and say, man,
Speaker 2: how'd you make that catch in that Super Bowl? I go,
Speaker 2: I don't even think. I think about the third down
Speaker 2: that I dropped coming out of the fucking halftime, same
Speaker 2: being the raw Rock guy saying it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: hell of a fucking story. And then our defense goes
Speaker 2: through and out we get a fucking I get a
Speaker 2: good look, I get the guy bop them drop the ball.
Speaker 2: That's what I think I think of the ship.
Speaker 1: But I think I think most of I think most
Speaker 1: and it's probably a little bit of a generalization or
Speaker 1: attached to the identity of what they once were, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's where the oh, you know,
Speaker 1: we never did this stuff or you know, and I
Speaker 1: think that's part of our responsibility is to your responsibility
Speaker 1: in the present moment is to give it everything you have,
Speaker 1: and then you know.
Speaker 3: When it's over, you're just forgotten about. Like, I think
Speaker 3: that's just kind.
Speaker 2: Of I think it also goes to that dream thing
Speaker 2: that we were just talking about. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys, a lot of people like you said,
Speaker 2: we are given information. Now everyone can see an experience
Speaker 2: with other people experience. Some people forget about their own
Speaker 2: journey and forget about Hey, let's make our own experience
Speaker 2: and live off of that. Yeah, you know, they.
Speaker 1: Also forget about like Like, one of the things I
Speaker 1: like to do as an exercise is, you know, I
Speaker 1: think everyone studies successes, but I always go back and
Speaker 1: look at the best players and the best coaches and
Speaker 1: all the mistakes that they made, because it's tumbling because
Speaker 1: like one, they're all better than Like, all the coaches
Speaker 1: in the past are better than I am, and all
Speaker 1: the players in the past were great players, but you've
Speaker 1: got to look at all the mistakes that were made.
Speaker 3: And it's a balance.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, a healthy exercise is to go
Speaker 1: back and be like, Okay, you know, why did this team,
Speaker 1: you know, blow this lead in a ninety five NBA
Speaker 1: Finals in a game?
Speaker 3: Or like what adjustment was made there?
Speaker 1: And so I think you have to find the balance
Speaker 1: of like you want to look at all the best
Speaker 1: things that coaches did, but you also got to look
Speaker 1: at it's easy to forget all those things. You know
Speaker 1: that the mistakes that were made before your time, and
Speaker 1: and and.
Speaker 3: So I try to do both of those.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to study the successes, but you're
Speaker 1: also going to study the failure is because it gives
Speaker 1: you a perspective.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. You know, a mistake is great because
Speaker 2: it's a learning experience. You just can't make that mistake twice, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: try not to try.
Speaker 3: You're gonna make it. You're gonna make a different.
Speaker 2: One, but but you're gonna make a different one. A
Speaker 2: different one is okay, you just can't. Like, That's what
Speaker 2: I always told young players. You're gonna make mistakes. Just
Speaker 2: don't make the same one twice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but make a different one.
Speaker 2: Make a different one. But you'll learn from that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Now you have such a you
Speaker 2: have such a learning mindset. You grew up in Providence,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. You're on a border hot Tucket right over there.
Speaker 2: We're in We're in fucking roady. We're a roady. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're a roady. Now where did this love of learning
Speaker 2: come from? You? Your dad was a basketball coach? Is
Speaker 2: that where this all came from? What's a young which
Speaker 2: was Zula?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I probably didn't.
Speaker 1: I probably wasn't as much of a growth mindset until
Speaker 1: I graduated from college. I mean I was probably very
Speaker 1: the opposite in college, but I was. I was very
Speaker 1: I was very blessed. I always had, you know, my
Speaker 1: parents were there for me in different ways. My mom
Speaker 1: was the academic side, you know, making sure I did
Speaker 1: my homework. My dad was like the mindset side. But
Speaker 1: I always had great coaches, Like I never had a
Speaker 1: negative coaching experience, and I think that's huge for a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get into athletics. Is like I
Speaker 1: can remember, you know, ninety five, if not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of my coaches names at every level. I can
Speaker 1: remember some of the practice plans, what they taught me.
Speaker 1: And I just never had a negative experience. And so
Speaker 1: as I started to get older, I realized what they
Speaker 1: were teaching me was so much bigger than just basketball,
Speaker 1: but it was all based on the fundamentals. And so
Speaker 1: I think when I got into playing, I was probably
Speaker 1: more results oriented and caught up in you know, my
Speaker 1: own identity and trying to make a name for yourself.
Speaker 1: And and after that when I was like forced when
Speaker 1: the game was taken it from me, and I was
Speaker 1: like forced to decide, Okay, like where am I going?
Speaker 1: You know, you can't play, and so where is my
Speaker 1: identity going to be in? You know, I started to
Speaker 1: go back to those moments of coaching and reflecting on
Speaker 1: how I never had negative experiences as a coach and
Speaker 1: all the times with your teammates, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the best way to stay in the game if you
Speaker 1: can't play is to is to be a part of
Speaker 1: that and to give that back to the people that
Speaker 1: are coming after you. And so I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of where it's come from, is like, you know, here
Speaker 1: are the moments I'm only here because of the people
Speaker 1: around me and cannot be you know, one person that
Speaker 1: helps you know others get to that.
Speaker 2: You know, now you never had a bad coach, What
Speaker 2: makes a great coach then.
Speaker 3: I mean at every level.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you my CYO coach at Saint Phillip's,
Speaker 1: we practiced i think three four days a week from
Speaker 1: five thirty to eight and it was a drug. It
Speaker 1: was just drudgery. We did the same thing every single practice,
Speaker 1: ran the same place. But you know, Mike and Jeff
Speaker 1: did an amazing job of teaching us the fundamentals and
Speaker 1: putting us in position to win. And like, you know,
Speaker 1: same thing with my AU coaches, you know, Coach Vitale
Speaker 1: and you know those group of guys like to me,
Speaker 1: they're they're honest with you. You know, they're in it
Speaker 1: for the right reasons. Uh, they're in it to to
Speaker 1: see kids get better. They're honest with you, whether you're
Speaker 1: good or whether you suck. I remember I had a
Speaker 1: bad game and AU and my my AU coach came
Speaker 1: up to me and was like, man, you suck today.
Speaker 1: He's like, but you know, the guy you went against
Speaker 1: just kicked your ass. But you know he's gonna make
Speaker 1: it one day, and so were you. And so they're
Speaker 1: able to be honest with you but also give you,
Speaker 1: uh you know, the the encouragement or the perspective that
Speaker 1: you need to go forward, and I think they never
Speaker 1: let you settle being yourself. I think they they hold
Speaker 1: you accountable to the person that you say you want
Speaker 1: to be or the person that they think you can become.
Speaker 1: And that's a that's a space that many people aren't
Speaker 1: willing to go to. So I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: at any level, that's what the coaches are.
Speaker 2: If have you noticed coaching styles evolve these days compared
Speaker 2: to what we used to go through.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything matters the times, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think you always have to evolve. I think there's moments
Speaker 1: I think I think it's more about what the personality
Speaker 1: that you have, right, And I think as we get
Speaker 1: into this game, you know, looking at that as I'm
Speaker 1: standing on the sidelines, even that moment, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I going to be as a coach?
Speaker 3: You know, who am I? What am I going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What's my identity?
Speaker 1: How are we going to how we're going to go
Speaker 1: about things as a team, as a staff, How am
Speaker 1: I going to handle things individually? And So I think
Speaker 1: it's more like personality based, where as long as you
Speaker 1: can become an authentic to who you are as a leader.
Speaker 1: People will respect that and they'll go with it. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's gonna be perfect all the time.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's constantly involving because people are
Speaker 1: different and personalities are different.
Speaker 2: What's your identity as a coach?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's based off of the
Speaker 1: players that I have. I think I think to be
Speaker 1: a great coach, you have to have great players. You
Speaker 1: have to have a group of players that allow you
Speaker 1: to be yourself. And I think you have to create
Speaker 1: a space where you allow your players to be yourself.
Speaker 1: And so I think that identity. You know, where I
Speaker 1: think it is is, you know, being authentic to who
Speaker 1: I am. You know, I'm not afraid to say, like
Speaker 1: here's where I suck, here's where i'm you know pretty good,
Speaker 1: Here's where I need you guys to fill in for me,
Speaker 1: and here's how we could do it together. So I
Speaker 1: think it's the space of like authenticity and then your mindset, right,
Speaker 1: I think everything comes down to your mindset, how you
Speaker 1: approach things, how do you have a certain perspective on that?
Speaker 1: And then you know, can you be great tactically, like
Speaker 1: can you find ways to to you know, to be
Speaker 1: great from a tactical standpoint, to outthink your opponents, and
Speaker 1: to put yourself in position to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I suck with a lot of things, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean we all do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you pulled from growing up with
Speaker 2: a dad as a head coach? Because my dad was
Speaker 2: a coach, And there's shit I pulled on how I
Speaker 2: would I've never coached, but you know, when you get
Speaker 2: to become an older player in a locker room, there's
Speaker 2: kind of that way to communicate with younger guys that
Speaker 2: comes off as like a coach. Is there anything you
Speaker 2: pulled from your pops?
Speaker 1: I mean so much most of it's illegal now, but
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of stuff that ye into it.
Speaker 1: I think he just wasn't afraid to be himself. He
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to be himself. He wasn't afraid to win
Speaker 1: the moment however he thought necessary to win.
Speaker 3: To win that moment, you know, whether.
Speaker 1: It was basketball, soccer, track like, he was always going
Speaker 1: to do whatever it took to get the most out
Speaker 1: of that guy in that moment. And that's something that
Speaker 1: I could always get better at. I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: you're always being challenged of like how could you be
Speaker 1: better in this moment? And he was just relentless, Like
Speaker 1: he was relentless in his mentality, like relentless in his mindset,
Speaker 1: relentless and his approach towards the fundamentals on and off
Speaker 1: the course. I think those are the two biggest things.
Speaker 2: Now, you grew up in Providence, you grew up a
Speaker 2: massive Celtics fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a Red Sox fan before Celtic.
Speaker 2: So let's hear your sports hierarchy of what your fandom was.
Speaker 1: Well, so my uncle Mike, credit to him. He got
Speaker 1: me into like the history and a study of sports.
Speaker 1: So he was a huge forty nine Ers fan, huge Mike,
Speaker 1: and he collected all these he collected. He just collected
Speaker 1: memorabilia and stuff. And so it started with like these pencils.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember these old pencils of
Speaker 1: like all the different NFL teams. So we had one
Speaker 1: of every team, but I wasn't allowed to use the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers one.
Speaker 2: And then uh, that was his. That was his team.
Speaker 1: And then the Patriots were coming to UH training camp
Speaker 1: at Bryant College, so my dad went, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: he would take me to Bryant College for training camp
Speaker 1: all the time, and so I got these pictures with
Speaker 1: like a young Adam Vnit Terry.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Because you had to walk that dirt road, you know,
Speaker 1: from the dorms and anything. So we would stand on
Speaker 1: that dirt dirt road. Had had a ball signed by
Speaker 1: Vinitarry had a ball signed by that whole team. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that. So it started with like the Patriots
Speaker 1: in that, so.
Speaker 2: You're your Patriots is number one.
Speaker 1: It's not hierarchy as much of it's like this is
Speaker 1: how it went okay time and then it went red
Speaker 1: Sox because the All Star Game came to Fenway in
Speaker 1: ninety nine and you.
Speaker 2: Went and I went, So we went, so that what
Speaker 2: what's the what year is that? That's is? That's maguire.
Speaker 4: I really don't in the nineties.
Speaker 1: That was I think Ken Griffy had I really don't
Speaker 1: remember much of it, but I think Griffy had a
Speaker 1: huge game that All Star Game.
Speaker 3: So here's the story.
Speaker 1: So we went up just for the festivities, like we
Speaker 1: didn't have tickets to the game, and so we're standing
Speaker 1: around Funway going through all this stuff and then we
Speaker 1: get into a taxi to go somewhere and we end
Speaker 1: up we're in a taxi with Ray Knight.
Speaker 2: Uh you know who scored.
Speaker 3: I think he scored the winning run in the eight
Speaker 3: series to beat the Red Sox.
Speaker 2: So we were in there randomly randomly, Hey, let me
Speaker 2: get in taxi. Yeah, let's get one. Yeah you do.
Speaker 1: And then like some random person comes up to us
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, I got one extra ticket to
Speaker 1: the game, and that's you couldn't You couldn't do this now.
Speaker 1: So I'm eleven ten at the time, and We're an
Speaker 1: hour ten minutes away from home and this stranger comes
Speaker 1: up and offers us one ticket, and my uncle's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. So he sends me into the All
Speaker 1: Star Game.
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 3: I'm ten?
Speaker 2: Oh, my sololo solo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sends me into the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: That's a cool uncle.
Speaker 3: By myself, and he's like, hey, like, I'll meet you
Speaker 3: right here.
Speaker 1: I think he called my dad and my dad drove down,
Speaker 1: which I don't know what the hell he was going
Speaker 1: to do, like uh, And so I just sat in
Speaker 1: the sat next to these two people in the stands
Speaker 1: by myself watched the ninety nine All Star Game and
Speaker 1: I had this book that in the back of the
Speaker 1: book taught you how to throw all the pitches. And
Speaker 1: that's why I would I would like I was in
Speaker 1: the baseball for a little while, so I would like
Speaker 1: work on that. And then then was the Celtics because
Speaker 1: when they drafted uh, you know, Joe Forte was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players to watch North Carolina and then
Speaker 1: so when they drafted Joe Forte, and I would go
Speaker 1: to Red Our Back Camp, you know, and so for
Speaker 1: like three four years every summer I would spend a
Speaker 1: week at Red Hour Back Camp, staying the dorms at
Speaker 1: Brandeis Read Coach Iback would talk to the team and so,
Speaker 1: you know, I just fell in love with like fell
Speaker 1: in love with right Our Back first, and then fell
Speaker 1: in love with the Celtics, and so that's kind of
Speaker 1: the trajectory. And then the Bruins I just like to
Speaker 1: be and so they're just fourth by default. But like
Speaker 1: that's kind of the timeline of like how uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Boston sports kind of came into my life.
Speaker 2: Wow, what about some of the spots, uh Boston sports heroes,
Speaker 2: did you like?
Speaker 1: I mean, vine Terry was one then to start because
Speaker 1: he signed he signed the ball, and then I was
Speaker 1: watching the first Super Bowl at my grandmother's house and
Speaker 1: he hit it was that Panthers was the first one.
Speaker 2: Turf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he hit the game winner, I think on
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 2: And that was also the year he hit the snow one.
Speaker 1: Yes and the Raiders and so that and then the
Speaker 1: Panthers one was another game winner that he had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he's up there, you like clutch guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I had this plaque of Celtic players of
Speaker 1: all the greats of the eighties and nineties, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I like Robert Parrish.
Speaker 3: I like the nickname the Chief. So like I just.
Speaker 1: Liked the Chief. That the Chief, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that was just a cool nickname to have. So from
Speaker 1: a childhood you remembers that. And then you know, you
Speaker 1: got those years in college of when it was like
Speaker 1: Pedro and Kurt Shilling and and like that whole.
Speaker 2: Crew Bloody Saw Big Pot was just a huge just
Speaker 2: motherfucking on broad teeth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then and then but like and then Garnett in
Speaker 3: that era, you know, so like.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, just you grew up in a great time,
Speaker 1: grew in a great time, great time, and now I
Speaker 1: get to Uh, it's it's it's like a full circle
Speaker 1: because the great time that I grew up on as
Speaker 1: a kid. For whoever long I'm here, I've been in
Speaker 1: with this opportunity, ownership, responsibility to like do what was
Speaker 1: done when I was a kid, you know. And so
Speaker 1: that's where like happily Miserable comes into place of like
Speaker 1: I think when you have responsibility, you have to take
Speaker 1: on the other side of responsibility, which is like the
Speaker 1: weight that that carries, like that's never going to go away.
Speaker 1: And so like it's almost like I'm using everything from
Speaker 1: my childhood to spure this opportunity that you know, we
Speaker 1: have as an organization to like bring that back. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cool, but it's it's also it's it's tough,
Speaker 1: which is that's what you want.
Speaker 2: It is tough, you know, and and you know you
Speaker 2: have you feel like you have this responsibility because of
Speaker 2: what you experience as a kid being part of this community.
Speaker 2: Now you have relationships with other coaches. You talk with
Speaker 2: Rabes at all, talk.
Speaker 1: With uh, you know, coach Mayo was great, Rabes has
Speaker 1: been great, just his perspective.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Alex Core is awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, he's been around, he's seen and I haven't
Speaker 1: tapped into the Bruins or the Revolution like I need to.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a fraternity that you have to have,
Speaker 1: right because Coach Belichick's been great, like especially my first year,
Speaker 1: he was great.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But I think it came, didn't You came to our facility.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it there, and he came to a
Speaker 1: couple of games and then you know, we talked a
Speaker 1: lot about just the perspective and how it goes about things.
Speaker 1: But like, to me, it's just a fraternity that you
Speaker 1: have because we're all going after the same thing and
Speaker 1: we're all carrying, you know, the responsibility and the weight
Speaker 1: of bringing what Boston, what the city deserves and what
Speaker 1: and there. So yeah, I think I think it's a
Speaker 1: huge connection to have that.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy that like this is like the perfect
Speaker 2: pro sport city. It is has everything everything, Like it's
Speaker 2: not a college area. I mean, we have hell of
Speaker 2: good colleges, but it ain't college sport area. It's it's
Speaker 2: not fall spring, summer. It's football season, baseball season, basketball season,
Speaker 2: hockey season season. That's the only way they live out here.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. You know, I grew up in the Bay
Speaker 2: Area and we had the Niners, we had the Giants.
Speaker 2: The Sharks just came out, but it wasn't the same.
Speaker 2: They didn't have four You know, well.
Speaker 1: People, I think I think here in Boston, there's no
Speaker 1: distractions like it. You know, each sport is is like
Speaker 1: a foundation of like a family. Like there's there's nothing.
Speaker 1: I get goosebumps when I see people wearing Celtic gear
Speaker 1: and they don't see me. I get goosebumps because it's like,
Speaker 1: I know they're wearing that with like a sense of pride,
Speaker 1: and there's a story behind why they're a Celtic fan.
Speaker 1: There's a story behind it, like it's almost passed down
Speaker 1: from their dad or you know, their grandfather or like
Speaker 1: you know, so like I that gives me like the
Speaker 1: greatest thrill and in a sense of chills when I
Speaker 1: see that, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Now what's now? What's young coach Missoula's favorite place on
Speaker 2: Federal Hill?
Speaker 3: Panavino?
Speaker 2: Panavino.
Speaker 3: I think I worked there for like two days.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: Not a big manual labor guy, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: I can't do this.
Speaker 1: I think you had to like if I remember, you
Speaker 1: had to ask for like three Now I guess the
Speaker 1: people that like, now I'm that guy because I always
Speaker 1: want sparkling water instead of distill. But you had to
Speaker 1: ask for like three different waters?
Speaker 2: Did you want on still flat sparkling?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like the utensils had to be like
Speaker 1: three fingertips from the thing. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go to the gym.
Speaker 2: Tight ship, baby, they run a tight shipped over in
Speaker 2: the hill. Did you ever go to Olfornos Alfornos?
Speaker 3: Maybe once when I was a kid, but like I
Speaker 3: don't remember it as much.
Speaker 2: Did you ever go to Sienna's? No, that was over
Speaker 2: there on the hill. We used to go there. We
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to go to Federal We weren't. We weren't
Speaker 2: really allowed to go to Providence. Coach didn't want us there.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of great restaurants on one island.
Speaker 1: Corserti's Pizza is obviously a big one. Yeah, Rosa MEAs
Speaker 1: pizza in Johnson is phenomenal. I got what's called Rosie
Speaker 1: you gotta find It's like the true Sicilian pizza, like
Speaker 1: nice thick square slices.
Speaker 2: What kind of sauce. It is a sweet sauce, not
Speaker 2: too so wet.
Speaker 1: It has like the it's got like pepperoni and the
Speaker 1: pepper's on there and like built underneath the cheese.
Speaker 3: We get that a lot with my grandmother.
Speaker 2: Now, does your grandma make like a hell of a
Speaker 2: like red sauce and ship?
Speaker 3: Have you seen known as on Netflix?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, great movie, It's fun, right, yeah, but I was,
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember if my grandma they're called her sauce,
Speaker 1: sauce or gravy, gravy, but she made a hell of
Speaker 1: a you know, a sauce or gravy.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I always want to experience that Italian East Coast mom
Speaker 2: that was us that.
Speaker 1: Every what Sunday, I mean every night, so every night
Speaker 1: because they she lived in the same house by dad,
Speaker 1: there was I think there was nine brothers and sisters combined,
Speaker 1: but you never knew who was coming over. So she
Speaker 1: would make dinner every night, and it was it was
Speaker 1: just an open door. So like whoever came in came,
Speaker 1: you know, if you got there late, you didn't eat
Speaker 1: you and so but on Sundays we would have like
Speaker 1: a you know, a big, a big ordeal, like all
Speaker 1: my aunts would cook, my grandmother would cook. It was
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like just like the movie.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 3: It was cool to kind of relive that I watched
Speaker 3: that other night with my wife.
Speaker 2: No, we got bread for every everything. Right, bread has
Speaker 2: to be bread. I've learned that in the Italian house,
Speaker 2: you gotta have a piece of bread in the hand
Speaker 2: at all time for the sauce, the fucking noodles.
Speaker 1: That you can't You got to dip the bread in
Speaker 1: the sauce. You can't let the sauce go to wait.
Speaker 1: I don't eat as I don't eat as much bread anymore.
Speaker 2: Can't coach I know.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm getting old and uh.
Speaker 2: Not getting old. But I I've heard the interviews. You
Speaker 2: got to stay in shape so you you can understand
Speaker 2: the the perspective that the players are in.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. I think that's a way to
Speaker 1: be empathetic for what those guys have to go tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I lost touch. I don't do the coffee uh
Speaker 1: after dinner. I can't do that. I'll never know to sleep,
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sensitive that stuff too. What do was like
Speaker 2: the t is that the alcohol just d just E
Speaker 2: is a dj D. What else is Zambuca? And then
Speaker 2: there's another one. There's a Lemon Lemonello. But there's there's
Speaker 2: a tomorrow that's phenomenal. Like the tomorrows are great. I
Speaker 2: used to drink those a little bit. They always say
Speaker 2: it makes your stomach feel better. I felt like it
Speaker 2: made me drunker. I think both can be true. Effect
Speaker 2: we'll be right back after this quick break. Coach, you
Speaker 2: played at West Virginia. Yeah, went to a final four.
Speaker 2: Explain this, like, how was that experience? You got to
Speaker 2: play in a fucking four? That's insane?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think, uh, it was such a
Speaker 1: it went by so fast. It does, went by so
Speaker 1: fast that the week leading up to it went by
Speaker 1: really fast.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: First, like college, I had two great coaches and I
Speaker 1: started out with coach Bline. It was great, and then
Speaker 1: I you know, and then I started and then I
Speaker 1: went to coach Huggins. It was phenomenal. And then we
Speaker 1: just had great teammates, like and now you we went
Speaker 1: to the final four. It kind of all came together.
Speaker 1: But that was when I realized that, like man, winning
Speaker 1: is not as fun as people think it is. Like
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't an easy year like we were in
Speaker 1: the I think we were in top top ten.
Speaker 3: Most of the year.
Speaker 1: I think we finished thirty one and nine or something
Speaker 1: like that, but one and seven, but it never felt
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: It felt like we were five hundred the whole year.
Speaker 1: And that was that that prepared me for kind of
Speaker 1: where we're at now and the healthy approach to like
Speaker 1: nothing is ever going to be good enough when you
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to greatness and so like I just
Speaker 1: remember like practices being miserable, Like it was like, man,
Speaker 1: this this responsibility to winning goes beyond the always of
Speaker 1: winning and you have to fight for their perspective, but
Speaker 1: you also have to take on That was the biggest
Speaker 1: thing I learned. Like we lost the game of New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve to Purdue and we got smacked, and you
Speaker 1: would have thought the season was over, and yet I
Speaker 1: think we were like still top ten, and so it
Speaker 1: was a great balance of learning you know what comes
Speaker 1: with success and how you have to handle that throughout
Speaker 1: the season. And you know, we had we had great
Speaker 1: guys that were able to just bring us there.
Speaker 2: Now who would bring that mindset of mediocrity even though
Speaker 2: you guys were above you. Guys were fucking thirty one
Speaker 2: and seven? Was that Bob Huggins?
Speaker 3: Oh are?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How was it playing for him? He's alleged he.
Speaker 1: Is a legend, very misunderstood guy, but he was the best,
Speaker 1: and he was very He reminded me of my father,
Speaker 1: but he was the best.
Speaker 2: To play for. How how did he remind your father?
Speaker 1: Just no nonsense, had a nate ability to the fuck you
Speaker 1: and I love you became synonymous and you couldn't tell
Speaker 1: which one was which. Yeah, that's the best way to
Speaker 1: describe it. Like sometimes when it was fuck you, I
Speaker 1: was hearing I love you, and sometimes when I was
Speaker 1: hearing I love you, I was hearing fuck you.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? It does. It's bad that I
Speaker 2: know and understand that.
Speaker 1: And so like so like my dad, like coach Hugs
Speaker 1: were like the same there where it was like I
Speaker 1: just couldn't tell what it was that day, but you
Speaker 1: knew it was to get the best out of you.
Speaker 1: It was the only thing he cared about, was like
Speaker 1: getting the best out of you, and he'll go to
Speaker 1: any measure possible to get the best out of you.
Speaker 1: There was no restrictions towards that. But The best thing
Speaker 1: he did was when the game or the practice was over.
Speaker 1: He never brought that energy and never brought that energy
Speaker 1: from what he was doing on the sideline to what
Speaker 1: you were doing off the court. I mean then, I
Speaker 1: think that's a huge balance for a coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, people don't what goes on in
Speaker 2: a game is different than that. I think that's what
Speaker 2: the good coaches and players relationships.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: I remember there's a few times, you know with my
Speaker 2: chat chatty o'sha, my receiver, coach, we're fucking each other up,
Speaker 2: you know, on the sideline after the game we get
Speaker 2: to win, all right, Ye, all right man, you know
Speaker 2: that's just how it goes in battle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: But I think you got to be able to take
Speaker 2: the cap off though.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to and I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing I learned from him, was he
Speaker 1: was able to take the cap off more times than
Speaker 1: that of like, you know, how I hold you accountable
Speaker 1: on them. It's because I love you. But then this
Speaker 1: love kind of looks different when you're off the floor.
Speaker 1: And he was amazing at that. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: Now I heard this story about what is it the
Speaker 2: Ultimate fucking the Ultimate Alpha challenge with your dad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well it struck me because where'd you hear that? I
Speaker 2: heard it. I think barstool maybe, Oh yeah. And it
Speaker 2: struck me because you guys went to a baseball field
Speaker 2: and you had to get out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went.
Speaker 2: I had a similar situation. It was just I was
Speaker 2: doing batting practice with my dad and I was dipping
Speaker 2: my shoulder. I think I was thirteen, and I finally
Speaker 2: at that age, was like trying to bow up and
Speaker 2: he was brushing me off the plate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, and this is before a game. This is at
Speaker 2: like four three. You get a little VP before a game.
Speaker 2: Then we go to the game and fucking I got
Speaker 2: sick of it. He threw at me. I threw the
Speaker 2: bat down and I charged amount of my daddy one
Speaker 2: tude me put me on the ground. I ended up
Speaker 2: going to the game with the bloody, bloody jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People were asking me. You know, I was like, but
Speaker 2: that didn't practice when didn't go? Well, now, actually, now
Speaker 2: look at you, but like, is that the pulling the
Speaker 2: best out of you?
Speaker 1: So I would so if I think I remember this
Speaker 1: story correctly, I I our soccer game got canceled. It
Speaker 1: was raining, and he was probably pissed that he had
Speaker 1: to come all the way out to Walwick to pick
Speaker 1: me up and h he was given my friend a
Speaker 1: ride home. Uh you know Mark good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: You know, he was on the soccer team, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know he was so he had to be pissed
Speaker 1: because it was a tough place to get you it
Speaker 1: was right now the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And so on the way to dropping Mark off at
Speaker 1: his house, I'm being you know, he's mad.
Speaker 3: I'm being even more mad.
Speaker 1: I'm showing off in front of you know, my friend here,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was just like, okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take care of you.
Speaker 3: After we dropped this kid off. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, the kid's house is on the right.
Speaker 1: You come out, you take a right, you go down
Speaker 1: the main road, you take a left, and then off
Speaker 1: the main road, there's this baseball field and it's raining,
Speaker 1: and he's just like he's had enough. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just being a fucking dick, and he's just like, winner
Speaker 1: take all. And we go into this we go, we
Speaker 1: go into the batting we go into the batting cage
Speaker 1: of the field and he's just like give me your
Speaker 1: best shot, like you know, and like you I think
Speaker 1: I have a chance. Yeah, I really thought I had
Speaker 1: a chance. But at first I was like, Okay, how
Speaker 1: am I going to go out there? So I like,
Speaker 1: because of the rain, I picked up some dirt and
Speaker 1: tried to throw it in his face and at the
Speaker 1: same time kick him in the nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oldest trigger try it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the thing is, they bught us the trick.
Speaker 2: They taught us.
Speaker 1: The trick catches my heel leg, sweeps me, mounts me,
Speaker 1: and just starts fucking just wailing on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By that time, we're late to Grandma's dinner and I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. He just looked at me and he goes,
Speaker 1: you don't fucking say a word, like nothing happened. And
Speaker 1: so I walk into my grandmother's house. Was just like
Speaker 1: a wet beaten dog. I just I just eat my
Speaker 1: meal as if like it. You know, I was just dead.
Speaker 1: It humbled, But he did it did. I didn't go
Speaker 1: back to my dad ever again after.
Speaker 3: I never tried that, never tried that again, never.
Speaker 2: Tried it again. You felt the strength they never felt before.
Speaker 1: But I felt it was important to try it.
Speaker 7: You had you got to test the limits. Who are
Speaker 7: you if you don't try it? Hey, he had me
Speaker 7: down trying to get him his ship. I remember, he's
Speaker 7: like he done yet. Oh I heard that story. I cried.
Speaker 7: I was like, God, there's other crazy fucking people out there. Yeah,
Speaker 7: because I mean people used to drive by the fucking
Speaker 7: field with me and my dad were having batting practice
Speaker 7: and he'd be like, oh, man is wailing on his
Speaker 7: kid again.
Speaker 3: I knew that today's birthday. Actually he passed, but his birthday.
Speaker 2: Birthday pop by, Happy birthday, l ip man. Man.
Speaker 1: He gave me so many I mean I remember, like
Speaker 1: I used to I used to have to kneel on rice.
Speaker 1: But when I got in trouble that hurt, Like I
Speaker 1: have to like sit in the corner like nelon Rice.
Speaker 2: That's a Catholic shit.
Speaker 1: But like he just he brought something out of you
Speaker 1: that like to this day, like you it's necessary to
Speaker 1: take on whatever it is we're taking on right now.
Speaker 1: So like that was just the beginning. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I remember we played. I sucked one game and this
Speaker 1: dude just beat the hell out of me. I think
Speaker 1: I filed out and he like went over to my coach.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll give him a ride home today.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, now, I'm good, I'll take the bus,
Speaker 3: get him ride.
Speaker 2: Home, you know what. And my dad used to coach me,
Speaker 2: and everyone would be like, oh, man, your dad's a coach.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, right, I got to go home
Speaker 2: with her. No, what's your favorite memory about your dad? Though?
Speaker 1: Man, my favorite memory about my dad was how he
Speaker 1: coached my cousin. So, my cousin, she was one of
Speaker 1: the you know, one of the best players in Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: I used to go to all her games and all
Speaker 1: her practices, and he would make her cry every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whether it was a game, whether it was a practice,
Speaker 1: like it was his goal to make her cry. That's
Speaker 1: my favorite memory. But she needed it, she needed it,
Speaker 1: she loved it. But it was also like to watch
Speaker 1: him he did. He wasn't just coaching me that way,
Speaker 1: he coached everybody that way. And uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: I got a little bit older, the relationship that Chelsea
Speaker 1: and him had was kind of like I was seeing
Speaker 1: what he was doing with me in real time because
Speaker 1: she was old in me, and so I always appreciated
Speaker 1: how he did that.
Speaker 3: And I mean all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then in eighth grade he coached my eighth grade
Speaker 1: team at Saint Mary's and uh, let's just say he
Speaker 1: had a couple run ins with you know, faculty on
Speaker 1: coaching me a little bit too hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that that sounds about right. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was different generation.
Speaker 3: Did he transition into like becoming more like when I
Speaker 3: got to college.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like that, No, because he became a man.
Speaker 2: He became.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when I got to college, he was the opposite,
Speaker 1: Like he was just a supporting figure.
Speaker 3: He was like a you know, you know, he did
Speaker 3: the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: It was like I did my time, you know, and
Speaker 1: he let me kind of grow into who I who
Speaker 1: I was at the time.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, that's exactly how it was with me, because
Speaker 2: once you surpassed their nol, not like their knowledge, but
Speaker 2: once they like let you out, it was like, now
Speaker 2: we're here to support.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they weren't like overbearing.
Speaker 2: He's doing it for a clear perce. Yes, it would have.
Speaker 1: I would have not have appreciated it if he kept
Speaker 1: it going in college. He wasn't making it about him, No,
Speaker 1: He's making it about me. And he was able to
Speaker 1: release that.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, love that. Let's go into a segment where
Speaker 2: you go back in the time when the game took
Speaker 2: place and we go over pop culture. This game took
Speaker 2: place October eighteenth, twenty twenty two. Number one movie Halloween Ends.
Speaker 2: Didn't see you see a coach, Nope, never heard of it.
Speaker 2: It's that one of the Halloweens.
Speaker 4: It's when Halloween ends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a big I don't like Halloween. Scary
Speaker 2: movie with your coach, big Halloween. I never liked Halloween
Speaker 2: until like, I have a little girl and she like
Speaker 2: we're already talking about costumes. One song, Bad Habits Steve
Speaker 2: Lacey never heard of that ever heard of NBA Champions
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets with Joker. Joel Embiid was the MVP. Chiefs
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. Patrick was the MVP. First time
Speaker 2: that was done. MVP wins the Super Bowl in a
Speaker 2: long time. I Grove Astros win twenty twenty two World
Speaker 2: Series against Philly. Rock Purty makes his NFL debut. What's
Speaker 2: the best Boston movie of all time? Coach? I know
Speaker 2: you love the town, but is that your favorite?
Speaker 3: It's between the town and the depart I'd say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, depends on what kind of relief you need. Do
Speaker 2: you want to know what kind.
Speaker 3: Of mood you're in?
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up on the Departy, but the
Speaker 1: town as I got older, And the reason why I
Speaker 1: kind of resonate a little bit more with the town
Speaker 1: than the part of it is is the identity and
Speaker 1: the love factor. You know that like you're in this space,
Speaker 1: like I feel like kind of you know this area
Speaker 1: and kind of how I grew up of like and
Speaker 1: even people in general, not necessarily to an area, but
Speaker 1: it's like you're always you don't like the person you are,
Speaker 1: but you do when you're trying to be something that
Speaker 1: you want to be something more, but like you're who
Speaker 1: you are is bringing you down, so to speak, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I feel like the town
Speaker 1: portrays so much more than violence, where it shows an
Speaker 1: identity crisis of like this area made me, but I'm
Speaker 1: looking for more, you know, and you know the great
Speaker 1: things about me are from this area, but also the
Speaker 1: tough things about me are from this area. And how
Speaker 1: do you evolve as a person, And you know, living
Speaker 1: in a space of being falling in love with someone
Speaker 1: but also robbing banks at the same time is like
Speaker 1: there's nothing more of a duality or approach to that,
Speaker 1: and so it just has a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a than the part of where like it's an action
Speaker 1: and it's a great movie like this is like you know,
Speaker 1: it shows more of like life of like you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out your identity but you have
Speaker 1: these things tugging with you at all times. But you
Speaker 1: want to be a better person. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I love you, but I'm also using you because you're
Speaker 1: getting interrogated by the FBI.
Speaker 2: What's more, you know, Yeah, it's darker. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 2: I'm attracted to you know, like the party is comic.
Speaker 2: There's some comedy relief with you know, Jack and how
Speaker 2: he does things. There's a little funniness to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the other one town and there ain't nothing that's that
Speaker 2: ship feels real. It's just dark.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, And I'm not saying it as
Speaker 1: like a staying like I'm attracted to the dark side
Speaker 1: of greatness or the dark side of like the tugs
Speaker 1: of identity and love and lead shadows.
Speaker 2: You're part of the Batman people. I mean trilogy is
Speaker 2: by far the best trilogy that is by far by far. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the Dark Knight is dark. You know what.
Speaker 2: You know what I loved. I loved Batman Begins because
Speaker 2: I was a huge Batman kid when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and to see the origin of where it all came from,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh my god, that's how they
Speaker 2: got the Batcave Holy Ship. Yeah, oh man, that's where
Speaker 2: he got his fucking moves. He went to i know,
Speaker 2: or Japan wherever he went. Like that was like, and
Speaker 2: then the Dark Knight was crazy, and then Bane came.
Speaker 1: And I think the Batman begins third. I think it's
Speaker 1: Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises, then Batman begain.
Speaker 2: I think I'll go Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 2: It got a little long at the last one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the space I love is like villains, you know,
Speaker 1: like the movies and like these are like the themes
Speaker 1: that I always think about of, like there really isn't
Speaker 1: much difference between the hero and the villain, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that's the space of why the villain gets
Speaker 1: so frustrated is like the self righteousness of the hero
Speaker 1: thinking he's better than someone else because he's quote unquote
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing, you know, and so
Speaker 1: they're more similar than than you think.
Speaker 2: Are you a Star Wars fan? I'm not because I
Speaker 2: have that same argument with you know, the dark side
Speaker 2: and having the force, you know, I think when you're
Speaker 2: what are they called sith a sith? When you're a Sith,
Speaker 2: all they are people that have the force, that make
Speaker 2: decision through emotion. Yeah, when you're a Jedi, you're making
Speaker 2: decision emotionally, so it's more peaceful. But why are we
Speaker 2: getting mad at a person that's making emotional decision because
Speaker 2: we all do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the spaces, but the gap between a
Speaker 1: hero and a villain is much it's it's very similar
Speaker 1: to like the gap between winning and losing and greatness
Speaker 1: to you know, be good to great. Like that gap
Speaker 1: is so much closer than people think, and it's very
Speaker 1: small fundamental details that separate you.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's the space that I like to like dive
Speaker 2: into a lot. What is it the saying you live
Speaker 2: long enough of the hero, you die the villain or.
Speaker 1: Something dark knight, the dire hero live long enough to
Speaker 1: be the villain? I mean, that's that's true as you
Speaker 1: can get it is. Now, who's your villain? Who's who's
Speaker 1: the villain?
Speaker 2: Joker? You're the Joker? Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's like,
Speaker 2: that's my guy, like the.
Speaker 1: Heath Ledger version. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard the
Speaker 1: first time. I mean, so I have this, I mean
Speaker 1: I got this.
Speaker 2: So why you're so serious form?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 1: Because of like that perfect balance of like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great question.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now what he goes into like telling the story as
Speaker 1: to like how he got to that.
Speaker 3: Point, you know, but it's like, you know.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how he Like if you look at the
Speaker 1: Batman and the Joker, it's like the Joker had no rules,
Speaker 1: but he really just wanted honesty, you know, but he
Speaker 1: just went to the wrong depths to try and get
Speaker 1: that honesty. Meanwhile, Batman was like, you know, I'm doing
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for all the right reasons, when in reality,
Speaker 1: like was he and you know, they're not much different.
Speaker 2: They're not you need to do a movie podcast, that's
Speaker 2: what you should do on your spare time. I was
Speaker 2: gonna ask you what do you do on your spare time?
Speaker 2: But probably gona get better at my job first. That's
Speaker 2: the start there there, that's the coach right there. What
Speaker 2: are we watching anything? Like? When we have any downtime
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: I try to watch so during the playoffs, I was
Speaker 1: watching the bin Laden documentary.
Speaker 2: I watched that too, man.
Speaker 3: I mean they should so you know they have like, no,
Speaker 3: they have what's that thing called? Were you like? Escape rooms?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They should have.
Speaker 1: We should start a business where you have like situation
Speaker 1: rooms and like you can sign up and go in
Speaker 1: and like reenact different things. You know, like hey, what
Speaker 1: are you doing tonight? We're gonna grab dinner and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go reenact and been lot and raid, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like like I think the escape room is just the beginning.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, what are you doing tonight? We're gonna
Speaker 1: simulate these.
Speaker 2: You go down to like the West Coast, you can
Speaker 2: go deal with those like they teach you how to
Speaker 2: like the John Wick guy that teaches you gun.
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking like down here on like the main road.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying like you gotta go out.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like you can find an escape room anywhere,
Speaker 1: like at a billiard spot. Yeah, like tonight we're going
Speaker 1: to reenact for no. Maybe we talk about morality, but tonight,
Speaker 1: we're going to reenact like negotiation tactics, like hey, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, after dinner, you're gonna be kidnapped,
Speaker 1: and I gotta I.
Speaker 3: Gotta use my negotiation tactics to like get you.
Speaker 1: Back, like more strategy than yeah, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: I just want some situations.
Speaker 1: Like so I whatever I watch, I try to tie
Speaker 1: into like how you can you know? Another great one
Speaker 1: is so we should think more about that business.
Speaker 4: I'm into it. I like that boardroom screen someone comes in.
Speaker 2: My favorite movies is the Game?
Speaker 3: Is that Michael Douglas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where he hires the people to put himself in
Speaker 2: that situation because he wants excitement.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, huh, I'm just playing in this night.
Speaker 2: I like this fun Friday night.
Speaker 3: I mean escape rooms are just the beginning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's child's blake.
Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, I mean that's over. I mean that's.
Speaker 5: Boring, trying to go PF Chang's maybe a little water
Speaker 5: boarding afterwards.
Speaker 1: So Ballas I told me a story about he brought
Speaker 1: in a guy. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're supposed to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we tried it. There was a there was
Speaker 2: a select few, but send someone tr Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: few of US enhance interrogation techniques. I can't I don't
Speaker 2: want to put it on the name on blast, but
Speaker 2: like we used to have a bunch of Navy seals
Speaker 2: that would come and train with US teachers hand combat,
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage ship. Yeah, and a couple of
Speaker 2: bold guys are like, hey man, we want to try this,
Speaker 2: we want to get water boarded. Yeah, and it's pretty weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you know?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by that.
Speaker 2: Well, I was out. It was a linebacker group that
Speaker 2: hung out with them the most. Uh okay, But I
Speaker 2: wasn't scared of it. They just they were doing it.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you were a little scared of it to me,
Speaker 2: Not really. I honestly don't see how it would be
Speaker 2: that weird. If you just put a what do you
Speaker 2: put a fucking tall over your face? You pour water
Speaker 2: on and now they're not gonna kill me. I'm not scared.
Speaker 3: But do you know that they're not gonna kill it?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're pros, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: To of Obayose guys, have done that million opened up wrs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jesus, I wasn't thinking water blass. Sorry I
Speaker 2: took it to another I'm sorry. You gotta try. You
Speaker 2: gotta drown yourself.
Speaker 4: The kidnapped the president's daughter. And now you gotta like your.
Speaker 1: Kids, Like now you're teaching your kids, like you know
Speaker 1: now you have like your life and your kids. You
Speaker 1: have a different level of trust of like hey, like
Speaker 1: you know my oldest Hey, I'm gonna go in first,
Speaker 1: you get my back, You check the corner like you
Speaker 1: work on those things. Like I think there's a great
Speaker 1: not only team, but like those are just great, you know,
Speaker 1: dynamic building things out.
Speaker 2: There be a distraction.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go this way, you go that way, Lily
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 2: Hey starting young baby, starting like it. I also, I'm
Speaker 2: really because of how deep you are. What's on your
Speaker 2: pregame playlist? Because is it? Are you? Are you? Like?
Speaker 1: Because I'm an instrumental guy. So you listen to music
Speaker 1: every game. And I don't sit in my own office.
Speaker 1: I sit in the assistance room. We all hang out
Speaker 1: together and like you know, just we kind of meet
Speaker 1: all the time. And so Matt Reynolds, your your boys,
Speaker 1: great guy, great coach. He takes turns. Each guy gets
Speaker 1: to pick their own playlist, and so it just rotates
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season.
Speaker 2: Rotating the ox what's on yours?
Speaker 1: Well, when we went down, Uh it got pretty it
Speaker 1: got pretty dark. There's ah we had, you know, Gray
Speaker 1: to die, Biggie, ain't no sunshine. D m X filled
Speaker 1: in the air Phil Collins and d m x's uh
Speaker 1: redo of that, Somebody's got to die tonight. Pearls by Saday,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: You gotta smooth it out like that's still a little
Speaker 2: you know, Pearls is a little dark though you know
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's in there.
Speaker 1: Got some worship songs on there, just to kind of
Speaker 1: bring you back so that you don't you know, you
Speaker 1: got to keep the balance a little bit. Every song
Speaker 1: I listened to, I asked, can I come out to
Speaker 1: this for a UFC Championship fight.
Speaker 4: That's a good test that.
Speaker 3: You know that that's to know if it's a good
Speaker 3: song or not.
Speaker 2: I like so I would always go with like Hans
Speaker 2: Zimmer movie music, so like inceptions, fucking man, you know,
Speaker 2: like that Interstellar, like those those playlist or those soundtracks
Speaker 2: because I didn't want words. I wanted to think my words.
Speaker 2: So I like, I like that. I like also I
Speaker 2: wanted to I wanted to like I wanted to walk
Speaker 2: through my play sheet, and I wanted to see the
Speaker 2: coverage to that music. Like you're watching a movie where
Speaker 2: you see a scene and the music can bring a
Speaker 2: fucking scene to a whole other level if it's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, what are those called montages? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe those Yeah, But.
Speaker 3: I like a song where I can match the montage.
Speaker 1: And so like Naughty by Nature is hip hop, Array
Speaker 1: is in the Last Dance, and so I'll listen to
Speaker 1: the song and replay that that segment of the Last Dance. Yea,
Speaker 1: you know there's there's another one of there's a KRS
Speaker 1: one song that is really cool that's in the last Dance.
Speaker 3: I'll listen to that KRS one song. So like, I
Speaker 3: like that, I might take that.
Speaker 2: I'll send you a couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best one is from The Dark Knight Rises,
Speaker 1: when he's in that cave and they're chanting and he's gotta,
Speaker 1: he's gotta.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll think, get out of the cave.
Speaker 2: If I'm trying to be real crazy, what I'll do
Speaker 2: is I'll get up on my skateboard, I'll throw on
Speaker 2: the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack at night and you go
Speaker 2: fucking cruising. You feel like you're Batman. I swear.
Speaker 3: Done this.
Speaker 2: I'm million times. Is that when you got hit by
Speaker 2: that guy I was longboard. It's some dude to hit
Speaker 2: me when I was playing, well, I fell into him.
Speaker 2: I look at him. He looked at me. He goes,
Speaker 2: are you all right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm good.
Speaker 2: He's going the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack. Yeah, or if
Speaker 2: I'm on a dirt bike or something.
Speaker 3: Moonlight Sonata is a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It kind of just takes you and I'll that's on
Speaker 1: the playlist. Moonlight Sonata the song from the Dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 1: I forget the name of it.
Speaker 2: I think it's just Dark Knight Rise Hans Zimmer because
Speaker 2: it goes by the scene.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you gotta check it out. I like Moonnight Sonata.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, let's Jackie. Let's jump
Speaker 2: into this match up. Should we get into these sixers? Real?
Speaker 2: Get into these sixers?
Speaker 5: Fifty four and twenty eight finished third in the East.
Speaker 5: This was the final year of the Doc Rivers era
Speaker 5: in Philly. This was, of course, Joel Embiid's MVP season
Speaker 5: notably led the NBA in free throw percentage eighty three
Speaker 5: and a half and three point percentage thirty eight point seven.
Speaker 5: Re signed James Harden after trading from the year before
Speaker 5: h Mac mclung dunk contest winner two way guy. We
Speaker 5: all remember that one though, and yeah, finished third in
Speaker 5: the East.
Speaker 2: Coach, how do you describe the Celtics seventy six ers rivalry?
Speaker 2: I mean, these are two some of the oldest cities
Speaker 2: in this beautiful country that we live in. The Bell
Speaker 2: being cracked over there, John Hancock being buried here. I mean,
Speaker 2: we could go into the history. What does this rivalry mean?
Speaker 1: I learned more about that watching Celtic City, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think the you know, watching that dynamic there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that runs deeper than maybe I understood,
Speaker 1: you know that that particular one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now let's do some dude talk. What makes Joe
Speaker 2: Embiid so so good?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the thing I appreciate about him
Speaker 1: that I'm pretty sure he was a soccer goalie, So
Speaker 1: I think his foot that is correct. Yeah, his footwork,
Speaker 1: his hand eye coordination, and him and a goal his timing,
Speaker 1: his timing and his angles like that. Studying some of
Speaker 1: those guys brought me back to like the building connections
Speaker 1: on different sports, right like Tim Duncan being a swimmer.
Speaker 1: I think Akima Lajuwon was a goalie, and so like,
Speaker 1: what can teach you from one sport you can transition
Speaker 1: into making you and that kind of like that was
Speaker 1: one of the only advantages I had when I went
Speaker 1: to college was I wasn't great.
Speaker 2: Uh, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of talent, but because of
Speaker 1: my soccer background, I was conditioned really well and that's
Speaker 1: that helped me defensively take on angles and footwork and
Speaker 1: changing directions and so always fascinated by his how seeing
Speaker 1: what a goalie does and how he translates that. Yokic
Speaker 1: is like that with water polo. If you watch water polo,
Speaker 1: you're essentially watching Yokic post exactly.
Speaker 3: That's how he plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah he plays he yeah, like he would he You
Speaker 1: can tell how he palms the ball, how he won
Speaker 1: touch passes it when it's mid air, how he how
Speaker 1: he almost embraces people draping on him, because like you're
Speaker 1: you're having to do both of those things, and like
Speaker 1: watching him is like watching a water polo there, So
Speaker 1: I've never.
Speaker 2: Put that together. That's that's the first time I ever
Speaker 2: heard that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like when I watch Yokic, I see water polo.
Speaker 1: When I watch Embiid, I see how you know, his
Speaker 1: soccer background gave him the footwork, the angles, the handoue,
Speaker 1: coronation of timing to be so effective at such a
Speaker 1: for such a big guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about James Harden His he watching.
Speaker 1: Him plays like listening to like Moonlight Sonata, like never
Speaker 1: get sped up, plays at his own pace always, yeah,
Speaker 1: always smooth, smooth.
Speaker 2: Knows how to knows how to make a basket when
Speaker 2: he needs, knows how to just get to us, you know,
Speaker 2: just do those those rule books too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I like that does what he does?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's let's jump into the Celtics. Jackie
Speaker 2: break into the Celtics. He's twenty twenty two Celtics.
Speaker 5: Fifty seven and twenty five went into the All Star
Speaker 5: Break with the best record in the NBA at forty
Speaker 5: two and seventeen.
Speaker 2: Uh coming off of Finals loss.
Speaker 5: The year before, the Golden State added some new key
Speaker 5: pieces Malcolm Brogden, Gallinari, Blake Griffin. This was the first
Speaker 5: full season with Derek White after bringing him in the
Speaker 5: year before, resigned Luke and Sam in the offseason and.
Speaker 2: Prior to this year.
Speaker 5: This will be a little foreshadowing for the game lost
Speaker 5: the legend Bill Russell in July, which was a huge
Speaker 5: loss for the Celtics in the basketball world as a whole.
Speaker 5: And of course you got the Jays Jalen Jason from
Speaker 5: the year before. So we're yelling coming into this year
Speaker 5: and we got Smart still there, and we got a
Speaker 5: new head coach, and we got a new head coach
Speaker 5: our main man, what was.
Speaker 2: It like being called to be the nineteenth coach for
Speaker 2: the Historics Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of where my faith came into play.
Speaker 1: It just felt like it was a true gift from God. Really,
Speaker 1: Like it was like, I don't belong here, you know,
Speaker 1: you go through a little bit of like how the
Speaker 1: hell did I get here? Slash I don't belong here,
Speaker 1: but I also I was put here, you know, by God,
Speaker 1: and so like that's really the only way to describe it.
Speaker 2: Can you describe to people, our viewers that are from
Speaker 2: different cities, how the Celtics are different than any other
Speaker 2: NBA Yeah, franchise.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's starts with the history, you know,
Speaker 1: it starts with the tradition, it starts with some of
Speaker 1: the greatest players to have ever played the game, and
Speaker 1: then it goes to the city. Like you know, there's
Speaker 1: not much difference between how Hugs motivated us the year
Speaker 1: we went to the Final four and what it's like
Speaker 1: to be in Boston. I think the only way for
Speaker 1: a team to maximize itself, not just in one year,
Speaker 1: but in a series of years is like we took
Speaker 1: on the identity of West Virginian people, the gritty, the
Speaker 1: hard nose, the blue collar. Like he was very adamate
Speaker 1: on like playing for something bigger than yourself, And it's
Speaker 1: the same thing here. You know, you're playing for something
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself. You're not playing for just yourself. You're
Speaker 1: playing for the guy next year, but you're playing for
Speaker 1: the city. You're playing for the competency of the fans
Speaker 1: and the respect of the fans and the respect of
Speaker 1: the organization. And you know that comes with a lot
Speaker 1: of responsibility that comes with It's not easy, but it's
Speaker 1: necessary and it's a compliment that you get.
Speaker 3: That responsibility to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's nothing better, and it's just different,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's a list of all those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's
Speaker 2: get into some of these roster guys. Who who on
Speaker 2: this specific team twenty twenty two Boston Celtics, who is
Speaker 2: the team asshole, Like the guy that not like an asshole,
Speaker 2: but a team asshole our in our world is a
Speaker 2: good guy that holds people accountable, may not do it
Speaker 2: in the most proper way, but works his dick off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that kind of asshole, not like an asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's not use that word because I
Speaker 1: don't like who's a team enforcer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so there's like a few guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody is in their own way, right like vocal, Like
Speaker 1: Jason does it in one way, Jalen does it in
Speaker 1: another way, al does it in another way. For this
Speaker 1: season and for his time here, you know, you have
Speaker 1: to give that to smart like his ability to do
Speaker 1: that and an underlying one who was ended up being
Speaker 1: one of the best people I ever coached was Blake Griffin.
Speaker 1: You know, he became like just an amazing guy. Uh
Speaker 1: and his ability to lead in different ways, both in
Speaker 1: action and in words, and so you know, they all
Speaker 1: did it in their own way. But the verbal probably
Speaker 1: you know, came from Smart, came from Blake, came from
Speaker 1: jailing at times, came from al at times. Jt leads
Speaker 1: by example like he's you know, his consistency, and but
Speaker 1: he also leads, you know, behind the trenches, the way
Speaker 1: he how he you know, treats other people and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, his coach ability. So they all do it
Speaker 1: in their own way.
Speaker 2: Now how did Blake do it differently?
Speaker 1: I mean it was actually interesting because like I didn't again,
Speaker 1: I was the interim and then we signed Blake, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, like how am I going to coach
Speaker 1: this guy?
Speaker 2: Like he was a former number one pick, Like it's Blake.
Speaker 1: Griffin and you know, his humility, Like he came in
Speaker 1: and our relationship changed, and it you know, motivated me.
Speaker 1: When he came to me, it was like, hey, how
Speaker 1: can I get better? And for a guy of his
Speaker 1: stature and where he's been to have the foresight to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I want to get better, Like how
Speaker 1: can I?
Speaker 3: You know that was.
Speaker 1: Huge, right, And and you know every time he talked
Speaker 1: and decisions that he made, we weren't about him there
Speaker 1: about you know winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you talk about Jason Tatum and how he
Speaker 2: treats people, that's probably a huge component of why he
Speaker 2: is who he is. What else makes him great?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think you live in that space of
Speaker 1: like greatness is viewed at as differently.
Speaker 3: And I think another thing when you play.
Speaker 1: For the Celtics and you have a great team and
Speaker 1: you have multiple guys, you have to take on everybody's
Speaker 1: greatness and you have to allow space in order for
Speaker 1: greatness to kind of be exemplified in different ways, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, like Al does it in a certain way,
Speaker 1: Jalen does it, and Jalen does it in his way
Speaker 1: and his approach and his fierceness and his warrior mentality.
Speaker 1: Jason does it in his consistency and you know, his
Speaker 1: ability to just want to be coached all the time
Speaker 1: and want to be held accountable, which they all do that, right,
Speaker 1: but like you know, so I think that's how he
Speaker 1: does it. And you know Al does it in his
Speaker 1: you know, the second guy that I was like, man Like,
Speaker 1: I think the hardest part about coaching that first year
Speaker 1: was when we didn't win, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I let Al down beyond all the other guys. Like,
Speaker 1: when you coach a guy, you know who knows he's
Speaker 1: got a few years for there was three, four or
Speaker 1: five left, you take on the like as we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, you take on the journey of each
Speaker 1: of your guys, right, and you take on the good
Speaker 1: and the tough stuff. And the hardest thing to do
Speaker 1: was knowing after that season that we didn't give.
Speaker 2: Al what he deserved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was that was something that we had
Speaker 1: to carry into the next season.
Speaker 2: He's just a consummate professional. When I was there, like,
Speaker 2: that was the vet pro guy. Yeah, because when I
Speaker 2: was there, it was I went there and I hung
Speaker 2: out with you guys in like twenty twenty, like Jalen
Speaker 2: and Jason they were still babies. Yeah, you know, Al
Speaker 2: was the old guy, and he wasn't old yet. He's
Speaker 2: kind of getting old, I mean, but he was the
Speaker 2: guy that like was the example for how these guys
Speaker 2: need to be as a professional. How he came into work,
Speaker 2: how is his preparation habits were, how he took care
Speaker 2: of his body, how he practiced on the court. That's
Speaker 2: all the stuff that I just saw being a fly
Speaker 2: on the wall that he that was his leadership. Yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't say much, but when he talked, everyone listens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think everyone does in their own way.
Speaker 1: Like I think you know Jalen he does it with
Speaker 1: his mindset and his warrior mentality. Jason does it kind
Speaker 1: of the way out died it, you know, and you
Speaker 1: need both of those. And I think from what you're
Speaker 1: talking about when you were there to now, like you know,
Speaker 1: you've transitioned into each guy does it in their own way,
Speaker 1: and you need each guy's way to be able to
Speaker 1: set the.
Speaker 3: Tone and like the temperature of it.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy in basketball because of the smaller rosters,
Speaker 2: they have such an impact on it. Your five guys
Speaker 2: that your guys, they have an impact on everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So they all have to come together and do their
Speaker 2: individual thing and do it in a different way because
Speaker 2: it influences everyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone else influences that and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of like a melting pot of it is an influence
Speaker 1: and I mean it's a chain it is. I think
Speaker 1: that's the fun part about building a team and building
Speaker 1: an atmosphere in an environment.
Speaker 3: Is that fun part of how do you put all
Speaker 3: that together?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, but the guys make it easy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, your best players make it easy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Jason makes it easy, Jalin makes it easy, and then
Speaker 3: it just goes on.
Speaker 2: Down the list. Yeah, let's jump into the game, Jackie.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say one of my favorite we're talking
Speaker 5: building atmospheres here in building cultures. I think one of
Speaker 5: my favorite moments, and I'm paraphrasing here, coach, was when
Speaker 5: I think Xavier Tillman joined the team and they asked
Speaker 5: him what you told him when he first walked in.
Speaker 2: It was don't be a jerk. I love that. Did
Speaker 2: I say that, I don't know that's what he said.
Speaker 3: Then I said something like, don't be weird, don't like,
Speaker 3: don't treat me like a coach.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I like that, you know, in the sense of like
Speaker 3: I always think back to that.
Speaker 1: You know, we got we gotta break down the barriers,
Speaker 1: like whatever it needs to be said, needs to be said,
Speaker 1: like don't I think I was trying to say, like don't.
Speaker 3: I think everybody does this, but you see this sometimes, Uh, don't.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is your previous relationships with your coaches are,
Speaker 1: don't bring in a preconceived notion of what that's going
Speaker 1: to be like for us, because I want to do
Speaker 1: it completely different, you know, and not to say that
Speaker 1: one is better than the other, but let's let's bring
Speaker 1: an open mind to how we could build our relationship
Speaker 1: and how we're gonna build a relationship as a team together.
Speaker 2: You know, that may not be different. It could be
Speaker 2: fabricated to what the other coach did, if that's the
Speaker 2: best for the player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So like it was more like just coming with an
Speaker 1: open mind and we're gonna we're gonna start from scratch.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna do this together.
Speaker 2: Sorry for botching neck quote, but I love that that point.
Speaker 3: He's a good guy. I like coaching him.
Speaker 2: Shoul we get in this game. Let's get into all right.
Speaker 2: So before this game, we we talked.
Speaker 5: Of course, the last time the Celtics had been on
Speaker 5: the parquet was a loss to the Warriors and the finals. Uh,
Speaker 5: but both teams were expected to contend for the East
Speaker 5: here the Sixers and the Celtics. So hi, hope trust
Speaker 5: the process, man, trust the process. This was kind of
Speaker 5: that's what I've seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, marketing ploy keep going, sorry for cutting the marketing
Speaker 2: ploy at that Philly they get me, I know. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: after you come at me on this right, all that bullshit,
Speaker 2: get at it here with your tush push come on. Uh.
Speaker 5: But a little bit turmoil going on in the Celtics
Speaker 5: organization coming into this one, with injuries to Robert Williams
Speaker 5: to start the season and Gallinari of course, tore up
Speaker 5: his knee in the in the Euro Basket planning and
Speaker 5: I think Georgia so coming in what a little banged up.
Speaker 5: And then of course before this game, a really great
Speaker 5: tribute to uh you tore it up in Worlds. Yeah,
Speaker 5: euro basketball. That's that brings a point to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, the NFL just passed that one player per
Speaker 2: team could go play on the Olympic flag football team.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, And I don't know if it's going through
Speaker 2: or what, but is there some kind of edge that
Speaker 2: you have when your guys go and play for the
Speaker 2: country because they're not you know, they could get hurt
Speaker 2: or is there like we kind of forget that because
Speaker 2: it's America.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's always a that's always a point of contention.
Speaker 1: But I think the good outweighs are bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think when you have guys want to take on
Speaker 1: the responsibility of their country and pray play for another
Speaker 1: something bigger than themselves, I think the only right thing
Speaker 1: to do is to, uh is to have them do that,
Speaker 1: and you take a lot of pride in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it'll be interesting in football though, because
Speaker 2: a it's a different fucking sport only sixteen games.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really but it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it doesn't have the history of
Speaker 1: what like the you know, no going to play euro
Speaker 1: Basket or going to play like it doesn't have that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I mean it could one day, but it just doesn't yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have a chance to win. I guess it's
Speaker 1: cool because you know, I don't know, not every sport
Speaker 1: has a chance to win.
Speaker 2: To go to Metal Hall. This is our first time.
Speaker 2: So I think I think.
Speaker 1: That that's something that is something that you got to
Speaker 1: go after.
Speaker 6: I'm to get the knees ready, coach, see if I
Speaker 6: still got a couple of me, give one of these
Speaker 6: little Spanish boys give you get to see what these
Speaker 6: Portuguese dudes know about a real shake route.
Speaker 2: They ain't never seen a return they turn out. Coach,
Speaker 2: So this is your first game, right, well, how nervous
Speaker 2: were you? Did you have nerves going into this? How
Speaker 2: did you handle the team? What was your first game?
Speaker 2: Like first pregame speech? Did you have something that you
Speaker 2: remember from that?
Speaker 3: I don't. I get anxious before every game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm just like, you know, sitting there, I
Speaker 1: get more anxious, like I can't you know, so.
Speaker 3: That that's never I hope that never goes away.
Speaker 2: It won't.
Speaker 3: I hope that stays.
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly I remember if like, just just
Speaker 1: don't make this about your first game. Make this about
Speaker 1: how we can win the game, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was, like, don't make it about you.
Speaker 1: It's really not. It's about you know, we gotta gotta
Speaker 1: win the game. It's the first one. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I think you go through of like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's see what this is all about, you know. I
Speaker 1: think it was like, Okay, what's the difference between being
Speaker 1: an assistant being a head coach?
Speaker 3: What makes Doc so good? What makes the players so good?
Speaker 2: Like I was.
Speaker 3: It was I was excited to.
Speaker 1: See whether I was going to be good at it
Speaker 1: or not right away, and what I was going to
Speaker 1: learn from it and how quickly I can make that adjustment.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I was like, you got
Speaker 3: to win this.
Speaker 2: Game, got to and it couldn't be a more movie
Speaker 2: type game where you're playing against the Philadelphia seventy six ers,
Speaker 2: against your coaching, against Doc Rivers, who won a championship
Speaker 2: in the city you're coaching for that you were probably
Speaker 2: a fan of when you were a kid, like that
Speaker 2: had to bring some more anxiety, no, or do you
Speaker 2: not worry about them? You?
Speaker 1: No, No, that's definitely true. Like I think, especially my first year,
Speaker 1: and I think it will always be this way. The
Speaker 1: people who I looked up to and studied are the
Speaker 1: people that I'm in the arena against now, like and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, every coach you have to be
Speaker 1: able to have a respect for but also steal what
Speaker 1: they're great at and try and do it yourself. And
Speaker 1: so especially that first year, it was like, as I
Speaker 1: was going on the sideline, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: remember this about I remember an article about this coach.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember a strength or a weakness about
Speaker 1: this coach. I remember a situation of when this coach
Speaker 1: did this, and so you take that on and you
Speaker 1: try to use it and you try to use it
Speaker 1: for yourself and you try to it against them at
Speaker 1: some point, and so that's never going to go away either.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, how was the energy that night in the
Speaker 2: in the guard that wasn't That was insane?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was insane. I mean you can't even simulate That's
Speaker 1: like it's like taking a drug.
Speaker 2: I've never done that, neither.
Speaker 5: I need my doctor to prescribe me. Boston Garden game night,
Speaker 5: Come on now, me going, well, I don't need this
Speaker 5: be twelve what little game night, Boston Garden atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Bro. If you could like put that in a pill.
Speaker 3: That is it's different.
Speaker 2: So what was your first test as a head coach
Speaker 2: in this game? Coach? You remember a specific time out,
Speaker 2: a specific you know, your.
Speaker 3: First test came we were losing, right.
Speaker 5: Yes, we were really Uh started with a nine to
Speaker 5: two run, seas were up. Then you got outscored twenty
Speaker 5: seven to fifteen for the rest of the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, al a test right of like you know again,
Speaker 1: you can plan as an assistant. You know what your
Speaker 1: philosophy is going to be, like, what your identity is
Speaker 1: going to be like, but you don't know what type
Speaker 1: of job you're going to take over until you're in,
Speaker 1: until you're in it. And so like, you know, I
Speaker 1: had just gotten the interview for the Utah job, which
Speaker 1: is obviously wasn't a different place than what the Celtics
Speaker 1: were in, and so like your mind is like, okay,
Speaker 1: like I'm a young coach sitting on the back bench,
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to take over a rebuild at some point,
Speaker 1: like you know, And then you know a week later,
Speaker 1: you're taking over a team that has championship expectations. Of
Speaker 1: all those fucking notes you took on, like you know
Speaker 1: that they really just don't matter. They may matter at
Speaker 1: some point, but they don't right now. And so you're
Speaker 1: still you're kind of using more of your instincts than
Speaker 1: you are using your experiences because you don't have any experiences,
Speaker 1: and so I just remember like, okay, like how am
Speaker 1: I intentially going to handle this run that we're on
Speaker 1: or this losing And then it was like it was
Speaker 1: a close game and down the stretch, I remember you know,
Speaker 1: we ran one play three or four times and got
Speaker 1: three or four different great looks out of that towards
Speaker 1: the end of the game, which kind of gave us
Speaker 1: the win there. And so there was a lot to
Speaker 1: unpack there in the game, you know, managing those runs,
Speaker 1: managing your time out, communication, managing the end of game
Speaker 1: about where the ball is going to, how you're going
Speaker 1: to execute it, what are the matchups, so all those
Speaker 1: things they came right in Game one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember the plays that we ran.
Speaker 1: I mean, Grant was a huge part of executing some
Speaker 1: of those off ball actions that we got a couple
Speaker 1: open threes and a layup on. And it was a
Speaker 1: fruition of some of the stuff that we know we
Speaker 1: needed to get better at throughout the season, where our
Speaker 1: off ball actions, and you know, Game one kind of
Speaker 1: tested that.
Speaker 2: Now do you remember that and what you just said,
Speaker 2: those situations in this specific game because it was your
Speaker 2: first your first game, or do you have like a
Speaker 2: photographic memory where you remember like coaches usually did. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give I don't want to give
Speaker 1: myself the credit of saying I have a photographic memory,
Speaker 1: but I remember I remember I can remember a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can remember pinpoint situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because it's crazy coaches they always yeah.
Speaker 1: It's all we're watching. Yeah, you know, you end up
Speaker 1: watching one game three or four times and then it
Speaker 1: becomes embedded and then you use everything as a reference point.
Speaker 2: And even more probably if you play that team again
Speaker 2: and if you want to get back.
Speaker 1: So it ends up like, yeah, I got a good memory,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I'm constantly retrieving it, watching stuff,
Speaker 1: watching the same stuff. So it's more about the retrieval
Speaker 1: over and over again. And then you need this situation
Speaker 1: to be able to uh uh, to fall back on
Speaker 1: for something else, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Do you guys break down? Do you guys have situational
Speaker 2: basketball like we do in fair Thing? Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I said, And that's one of the things that Bill
Speaker 2: was so big on, and he was one of the pioneers,
Speaker 2: which some people could say it was parcels, which it
Speaker 2: probably was, but breaking down the game and situations, you
Speaker 2: guys have like a two minute basketball, like playing more.
Speaker 1: End a quarter, start a quarter, end of the quarter,
Speaker 1: the start of the quarter, end of a half, last
Speaker 1: two or three minutes. You know, to me, that's where
Speaker 1: the I mean similar to that's where the games are
Speaker 1: won and lost. If you get to the point of
Speaker 1: where it's a close game, it's a I mean the margins.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds redundant, and but it just that
Speaker 1: that it's the end all be all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the end all be all, all the margins.
Speaker 1: And they leave this they controlling the margins get will
Speaker 1: dictate how much grace you're allowed to have throughout the game.
Speaker 1: You know, and you know, if you get into a
Speaker 1: situation of where it's a one point game, uh in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's almost one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent because of there was a margin won or
Speaker 1: lost in a situation. And then the second piece is like,
Speaker 1: how do you manage those runs? Every team's going to
Speaker 1: go on a run. It's can you not have it
Speaker 1: twenty seven to fifteen? Can it be nineteen to fifteen
Speaker 1: run or twenty one to fifteen run. I think those
Speaker 1: two things get lost in the shuffle of all the
Speaker 1: stuff that you know gets talked about amongst games.
Speaker 2: Of why you won or lost. They get paid too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is National Basketball Association. Okay, they're fucking good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some big ass plays. You got to
Speaker 2: be able to have a short memory, boys. Yeah, get
Speaker 2: back into the new situation. Jack, can you walk us
Speaker 2: through until halftime?
Speaker 5: First quarter was was defined by that run that we
Speaker 5: talked about, and Harden got found on three three pointers,
Speaker 5: which is incredible, like just insane that the Garden was
Speaker 5: not loving it.
Speaker 2: We weren't loving it. Eight for eight on free throws.
Speaker 5: He had sixteen in the first big for JB in
Speaker 5: the second fourteen shots seventy one percent in the second quarter.
Speaker 5: The Celtics did as a team. No turnovers was a
Speaker 5: big one in that one to Harden finished the first
Speaker 5: half with four to three, so he and indeed were
Speaker 5: heating up doing the pick and roll thing. They're both
Speaker 5: getting going. Uh tied it up at the half after
Speaker 5: a big second quarter. That takes us into the half.
Speaker 2: So halftime, what's what's the what's the locker room like?
Speaker 1: Under the coach, I think you're as soon as that
Speaker 1: horn goes off, even during the first half, you're I'm
Speaker 1: constantly saying, Okay, what did we do well, what didn't
Speaker 1: we do well?
Speaker 2: What hurt us?
Speaker 1: And you try to anticipate on what's going to happen
Speaker 1: in the second and then when the horn goes off,
Speaker 1: it's about a forty five second to a minute walk
Speaker 1: to the back. You're you're kind of deciding about like
Speaker 1: all right, like what does the team need.
Speaker 3: Right now in this moment? And then you know, what
Speaker 3: are we going to focus on?
Speaker 1: And so in that game, you're talking about the you know,
Speaker 1: you follow a three point shooter three times and you
Speaker 1: give them nine potential points out of that that you
Speaker 1: have to take that away. And so I think you're
Speaker 1: just constantly and but it changes, right, Sometimes you're in
Speaker 1: there and you show film, you know. Sometimes you're in
Speaker 1: there and like you don't show any film. Sometimes it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: who does an individual player need something? Or does the
Speaker 1: team need something? And so you're just constantly diagnosing what
Speaker 1: needs what at that moment, figuring out like, Okay, where
Speaker 1: do we need to be better that we can control?
Speaker 1: Where do we need to be better? Are the things
Speaker 1: that you know we sucked at? And then you know,
Speaker 1: try to get ready for the second half.
Speaker 2: There, Now, how long is the halftime?
Speaker 3: It's fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: By the time you get back to the locker room,
Speaker 1: It's like thirteen thirty and then you got three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes to look at the halftime minute to
Speaker 1: see what you want to show, and you try to
Speaker 1: show the half time innute at like ten.
Speaker 2: So do you have cause like whenever our halftime it
Speaker 2: was it was clockwork. We would come in for halftime,
Speaker 2: it was thirteen minutes or twelve minutes. Coaches would have
Speaker 2: two minutes together while we were undrained, like let our
Speaker 2: emotions get down, and then we break up into O
Speaker 2: and D. Offensive coach would have his four keys that
Speaker 2: were going into defensive coach would have his four keys.
Speaker 2: We'd have two minutes there. Then we'd have two minutes
Speaker 2: as a team, and then special teams would have one
Speaker 2: minute or what you like, it was broken down like
Speaker 2: do you guys have a moment where like that or
Speaker 2: it's different because you guys are so small.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different. So I think you're in the back.
Speaker 2: As far as roster size.
Speaker 1: No, by the time we get to the team, it's
Speaker 1: probably four clips offense, four clips defense, or if one
Speaker 1: side of the ball is just so much more drastically
Speaker 1: different impacting the game, you just focus on that. But
Speaker 1: it's like that in the staff of like, you know,
Speaker 1: the offense team will give their insight, the defense team
Speaker 1: will give their insight. Then the coach doing the halftime
Speaker 1: minute kind of puts in, you know, order of what's
Speaker 1: most important, and you're just so in that three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes, you're kind of deciding, Okay, what's the
Speaker 1: most important? Is is it a Are both important or
Speaker 1: are we focusing on one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie, let's go to the second half.
Speaker 5: In the second half, really turn up that defensive intensity
Speaker 5: on Embeid, almost like doubling on the catch. The coverage
Speaker 5: was awesome. Smart was in there making it hard for him,
Speaker 5: not getting to his spots. And then, as we talked
Speaker 5: about a little bit earlier, creating fast break opportunities five
Speaker 5: for five on turnovers in the third Celtics were off
Speaker 5: sixers turnovers.
Speaker 3: I think that's where we changed the matt up and
Speaker 3: put Smart Unembid.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and he was able to draw a couple file.
Speaker 1: He was able to Smart was able to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that matchup defensively, you know, raising some hell and
Speaker 1: and creating that. That was a big shift in that game.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we ended with I believe we
Speaker 1: ended with It was Jason, Jalen, al Grant, Uh and
Speaker 1: Derek was the end lineup. I believe that that put
Speaker 1: the matchups, you know, embid head to decide who he
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, be matched up with. And that
Speaker 1: was kind of like our five out lineup because we
Speaker 1: had five guys that were skilled, could pass, cat shoot
Speaker 1: him and changed.
Speaker 3: I think that changed the momentum of the game a
Speaker 3: little bit, it really did.
Speaker 5: And then and JT was getting downhill all third seventeen,
Speaker 5: just in the third alone, like attacking the rim, getting fouled, uh,
Speaker 5: just really taking over. And then of course wouldn't be
Speaker 5: a Celtic Sixers game without a little scuffle.
Speaker 2: Baby. We got smart and Inmbeid going at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's why you put the match up
Speaker 1: there is you know, smart and take advantage of those moments.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then in the fourth really opened up that lead
Speaker 2: and came out of this by.
Speaker 1: One on the fourth though, I know, but but it's
Speaker 1: the grace of winning the third, yes, you know. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's the margins, the margins we had how
Speaker 1: many turnover was did we force in the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Of six five five scored on all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you forced five live ball turnovers and you score
Speaker 1: on that that can change the game.
Speaker 5: And then you look back to the whole game, like
Speaker 5: coach was saying, and the Margins won the fast break
Speaker 5: scoring advantage twenty four to two, which is massive.
Speaker 3: But what was the points off turnovers?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Points off turnovers? Ours were twenty two twenty two to fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they weren't necessarily fast break points as
Speaker 1: much as they were like points off our defense, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's huge.
Speaker 5: And then end up winning this thing one twenty five
Speaker 5: one seventeen thirty five apiece from Jalen and JB.
Speaker 2: That's huge. First thought that comes to your mind after
Speaker 2: getting your first win in the NBA of your childhood
Speaker 2: freaking team in the garden, Like, what's that first thought?
Speaker 3: I don't suck as much as I thought.
Speaker 2: Happily miserable? Is that bug is deadly miserable? That was
Speaker 2: really it.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I didn't like, I remember I
Speaker 1: remember my dad's voice, like, don't fuck this up. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I didn't fuck it up too bad? No,
Speaker 1: got a shot at this thing. Yeah, yeah, you remembered
Speaker 1: your dad's voice. Yeah, don't fuck it up man, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Aftermath in February, the interim tag was removed was awesome,
Speaker 5: rightfully so. Celtics winning the season series against Philly three
Speaker 5: to one. Beat Philly in the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Epic seven game series made the playoffs for this ninth
Speaker 5: consecutive season. We did upset by Miami in the Eastern
Speaker 5: Conference Finals in seven games less. Fast forward to twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, twenty twenty four, raised Banner eighteen beating Dallas
Speaker 5: four to one.
Speaker 2: Baby brought that Larry O'Brien trophy back home. I mean
Speaker 2: this some could say this is the start of the
Speaker 2: new generation Celtics. This specific game. That's how important this
Speaker 2: specific game could, yep, be considered. Tell people what it's
Speaker 2: like to win a ship entitled town. To me, it is.
Speaker 1: You feel that you feel the responsibility to the city, uh,
Speaker 1: to the people, but really to the players. And there's
Speaker 1: so many people in the organization that do so much
Speaker 1: that people don't know about and.
Speaker 2: Staff, the lunch ladies, yeah, the people that let you
Speaker 2: in the facility, people parking lady, the parking people, the
Speaker 2: people that clean up after you.
Speaker 1: But also the business side, right, people in the business,
Speaker 1: and so I think it's a culmination of uh, gratitude
Speaker 1: for everybody involved and and you know, to the city,
Speaker 1: but for me it's it's uh you know, my my
Speaker 1: priest sent me a text the day of the parade
Speaker 1: and me and Luke Cornett talked about this. Winning the
Speaker 1: parade is very similar to Palm Sunday. It's not Easter,
Speaker 1: you know, and Palm Sunday is is it puts you
Speaker 1: now now it gets harder.
Speaker 2: Palm Sunday is the week before Easter. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you got ash Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no Friday, aginning, you got Palm Sunday, Good Friday,
Speaker 1: Holy Thursday, good Friday, and then Easter. And so winning
Speaker 1: is like Palm Sunday because you're waiting for that next
Speaker 1: Easter it may or may not come. That that's the
Speaker 1: space of like happily miserable, of duality of there's the
Speaker 1: people and the players, and then there's like that space
Speaker 1: between Palm Sunday and Easter. And all all we're doing
Speaker 1: now is we're in that space of that week of
Speaker 1: trying to get back to Easter. And you gotta do it,
Speaker 1: but you may not, may not may stop a good Friday.
Speaker 2: He may not come.
Speaker 1: It may stop a good Friday, and you fight like
Speaker 1: hell to to make sure you get another one. I mean,
Speaker 1: when that horn went off, that's the only thing I
Speaker 1: thought about, how we're going to do this again?
Speaker 3: What do we have to do? And not in an
Speaker 3: unhealthy way. I think.
Speaker 1: You know, you live in a space of like I
Speaker 1: don't know how long I'm gonna do this, but for
Speaker 1: however long, that has to be the focus. It's got
Speaker 1: to be the relationships to people. And it's got to
Speaker 1: be like how do we get back to Easter Sunday again?
Speaker 1: And you just have to constantly think about that every day.
Speaker 2: You ain't got to explain yourself to here people. You know,
Speaker 2: people don't understand when you're in the grind of trying
Speaker 2: to chase your dreams, and once you get your dreams,
Speaker 2: you recalibrate your dreams, like you don't have time to
Speaker 2: sit back and say, man, this is cool. You don't
Speaker 2: like you don't get time to enjoy it. People that
Speaker 2: are successful as certain things, they can say they enjoy it,
Speaker 2: but if they're having a long sustained career in something,
Speaker 2: it's hard to enjoy it. Like I didn't enjoy my
Speaker 2: career until I retired because I was in the heat
Speaker 2: of it. After each year, whether you win, you're you're
Speaker 2: more stressed because you have to reinvent yourself. You lose
Speaker 2: your fucking pissed off the whole time from not winning,
Speaker 2: and you still got to reinvent yourself and you have
Speaker 2: to still reinvent yourself. How many years did you play?
Speaker 2: Twelve twelve years is not much.
Speaker 1: And comparatively speaking into your life, no, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: and so like it's not unhew healthy to live in
Speaker 1: that space for ten twelve years.
Speaker 2: It's a balance.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 1: Family are important, but so is going after greatness. And
Speaker 1: there's no trajectory as to what it's going to look like,
Speaker 1: you know, Like you know, that's the perspective that we
Speaker 1: talked about. Do I think we'll get another one, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we have to. But the spurs one to five over
Speaker 1: the course of ten years, you know, the eighty one
Speaker 1: team took eighty two and eighty three and all that
Speaker 1: pain to come back in eighty four, you know. And
Speaker 1: so it's just this journey that we're on together. And
Speaker 1: you got about a ten to fifteen year window in
Speaker 1: life to do something to really go after something and
Speaker 1: you got to do it for however, you know you
Speaker 1: got to you gotta do it.
Speaker 2: You gotta do it. Let's great the game, coach got
Speaker 2: me ready to run so far all let's name the game.
Speaker 2: These are some names we came up with. If you
Speaker 2: haven't suggestion, you can you can give us the suggestion,
Speaker 2: of course. The first one is the sweetest Joe's First Game,
Speaker 2: the Joe Opener. This one's jo the Jopener. This one's
Speaker 2: for Bill because Bill Russell rp.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that one you didn't have to finish the
Speaker 1: rest of This one's for Bill. This one's for Bill.
Speaker 4: What did Bill Russell mean to the Celtis organization?
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Like you realize what he means.
Speaker 1: And then you hear about Jalen talk about what he
Speaker 1: means from a from a off the court perspective, and
Speaker 1: he sets the tone. Uh, he sets the standard of
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a Celtic. I've so enjoyed
Speaker 1: what listening to Jalen talk about how he's impacted him
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know how he's impacted the game.
Speaker 1: And it's been great to see the relationship that Red
Speaker 1: and Bill have had but it's also in to see
Speaker 1: from Celtic City. Like you know, this goes back to
Speaker 1: what we talked about the beginning of like you only
Speaker 1: remember the good things, Like it wasn't always easy for him,
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't always easy for teammates. Like his teammates,
Speaker 1: they they argued, they felt a certain way about each other,
Speaker 1: They had good times in bad times. There's the picture
Speaker 1: of Bill sitting in the ice tub reading his critics
Speaker 1: in the newspaper, Like the criticism was always there the episode.
Speaker 1: There are no final victories. That's the space between Palm
Speaker 1: Sunny and Easter is like it's never going to be
Speaker 1: good enough. And even a guy as good as him,
Speaker 1: he felt that and that's never going to go away.
Speaker 1: And so he just is an example of so many
Speaker 1: different things that you can look back onto as a
Speaker 1: Celtic but also as a person.
Speaker 2: The greats they all have one thing. They have the
Speaker 2: ability to compartmentalize like no other. That's something that like
Speaker 2: Tom Brady I noticed, you notice from him, like whatever
Speaker 2: was going on in his life, how he was at work,
Speaker 2: was it was work time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not always that's that That space is difficult though,
Speaker 1: because then you just feel nothing. No, you're you're essentially
Speaker 1: a serial killer. Ye, no, you are. You are, And
Speaker 1: like you drag your wife and kids into it. You
Speaker 1: drag your family into won't get into that, but yes,
Speaker 1: you just dragged Like like, my wife is dragged into this.
Speaker 3: This is her life. But she loves it and I'm
Speaker 3: grateful for that.
Speaker 2: She's every great coach has a great wife.
Speaker 1: And sit at the game with her. She's a fucking maniac.
Speaker 1: Maniac off to sit in the game. Actually pretty awesome
Speaker 1: to watch. I'm actually it's actually really cool.
Speaker 2: Is she from out here? She's from West Virginia, West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Let's go. You brought you brought someone? Dial below that
Speaker 2: that Macy Dixon line up here to the north. All buddy,
Speaker 2: let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of
Speaker 2: all time? Let's score it. Seventy six Ers versus the
Speaker 2: Celtics season opener, twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: NBA season coach Missoula's first game as head coach of
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, stakes zero to ten. Decimal's okay, coach, I.
Speaker 1: Mean you stakes were pretty high. Would imagine you can't
Speaker 1: be an intern? And lose your first game. That's kind
Speaker 1: of your fucked Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna have? Zero to ten? Descis ten? Ten?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I've never been in that situation. I don't know the
Speaker 2: coach's life, but I'll give it an eight.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 2: I want ohoh three point two? Man?
Speaker 4: What is my what do you do?
Speaker 2: I'm Russian judging us. I'm tripping, geez louise.
Speaker 4: A five point one regular season game. Our perspective, your
Speaker 4: perspective obviously at ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, star power of the game, a lot of great.
Speaker 2: That's a ten ten?
Speaker 3: Ten?
Speaker 2: We are we, coach? Are we all right? Ten? I
Speaker 2: will go look Jalen and Tatum, they weren't them yet.
Speaker 3: They combined for seventy points.
Speaker 2: I know, but we're talking in time and place in
Speaker 2: the in the era of where it was at. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with an eight point one. I went with
Speaker 2: an eight point nine.
Speaker 4: Let's go seven point nine.
Speaker 5: All I'm really kicking myself for that stake score. I'm sorry, coach,
Speaker 5: that's all right.
Speaker 2: The gameplay of this game, back and forth, how it
Speaker 2: was visually for the viewer, could be gameplay for you
Speaker 2: as a coach. How you had to coach situationally zero
Speaker 2: to ten decimals. Okay, I'll go eight and a half.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. It was an opener gameplay. Crowd was
Speaker 2: going cranking, go with it. Eight, we're all there names
Speaker 2: and ten the name is a ten, coach new I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with the nine point five. It's it's the
Speaker 2: great one. We did a we did an autograph signing
Speaker 2: my rookie year with him.
Speaker 4: I got ja.
Speaker 5: I scored this before we knew what we decided on.
Speaker 5: I'm got to give this a ten. Yeah, the greatest
Speaker 5: winner of all time ten.
Speaker 4: At a one point eight. I want to change it
Speaker 4: for eighteen championships. I'm gonna go for say, you know one, actually,
Speaker 4: you know what? Eight point one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that. Now, where does it stack up
Speaker 2: into the games we've done all time?
Speaker 3: Was Patrick Waller goalie in that two thousand and one
Speaker 3: broke Stanley Cove.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're doing that one tomorrow anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was he the goalie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Brenda Moore was the goalie for the doubles,
Speaker 1: the no Martin Berger Martin Brow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember those two goalies. They were fucking that
Speaker 3: in incredible.
Speaker 1: So you're a hockey guy played NHL as a kid
Speaker 1: the Detroit Red Wings with my team.
Speaker 3: They had Chris Osgood and you know, but beween the pipes.
Speaker 3: He was big time. Everyone Chris was on that team.
Speaker 2: Was on that team.
Speaker 3: Nicholas Lindstrom was a hell of a defender.
Speaker 1: McCarty, Yeah, you know so, but I mean Martin Broda
Speaker 1: versus Patrick Wattan, you don't get a better game than that.
Speaker 4: Fighting Night at the Joe is one of our highest
Speaker 4: recommended game tomorrow. Just so you know, this will be
Speaker 4: coming out way later tomorrow. Stanley Cup's coming here with
Speaker 4: Ray Bork. We're talking about that game. Yeah, over the moon.
Speaker 4: Who else was on that team?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 1: It was a forward, you know, the I'll think about
Speaker 1: the Red Wings. The Red Wings had a forwards that
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. I think he was a Russian guy.
Speaker 4: No, oh federal off, Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was big.
Speaker 2: You know your NHL head. Yeah, like sports, but I
Speaker 2: mean you always learn the rosters through playing the video game, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no question, Like that's how I know FIFA like soccer.
Speaker 2: Ye sick. We'll be right back after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Where'd the game at?
Speaker 4: Was an eight point one one? It puts us it's
Speaker 4: our new thirty fourth game overall, just behind the two
Speaker 4: thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs game five Mad versus
Speaker 4: Warriors that we did with Mark Cuban, and then uh
Speaker 4: Believe game. That's what we did with Russello, right, No,
Speaker 4: this was the Davison Daron Davis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we Believe Warriors.
Speaker 4: And then just ahead of the Avery real game Devils
Speaker 4: versus Rangers, they go, we did a Sean Avery.
Speaker 3: So thirty four it's not bad, it's not good.
Speaker 4: No regular season game, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: And you can come on and you have plenty of
Speaker 2: games that will score a lot higher.
Speaker 3: Malcolm Butler game.
Speaker 1: I was on a bus for Glenville State College driving
Speaker 1: back from a game, watching it on my phone when
Speaker 1: he got the interception, remember that one.
Speaker 3: I was sick Merracle on ice. That's a great movie.
Speaker 4: Low for fourth, but it's okay.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a great one.
Speaker 2: We stopped the Cold War snowball game. That was huge.
Speaker 2: Snow Yeah, we did, you like, are your wrestling fan
Speaker 2: w W? Yeah? Yeah, which ones we have.
Speaker 4: On Becky Lynch we did. We also do one with
Speaker 4: Sean Sean Michaels, the young Man.
Speaker 1: That match was insane. You don't have you don't have
Speaker 1: the Rock, you don't have the Astrodome. What was the
Speaker 1: wrestle manning at the Astrodome was at the Rock versus
Speaker 1: Stone Cold.
Speaker 4: See, so there are plenty of matchups that aren't on
Speaker 4: our list because we haven't done then yet.
Speaker 2: These are all games that we've This is the games
Speaker 2: that we've had.
Speaker 3: I think the Rock stone Cold at the Astrodome.
Speaker 2: One that was like that our age.
Speaker 3: And then you have the Rock man kind on the
Speaker 3: on the just know.
Speaker 1: The steel case cage. Yeah, the tax Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to love that ship. I mean that was like, if
Speaker 1: you told me it wasn't real, I would I would
Speaker 1: putch you.
Speaker 2: In the face. I guess suspended for giving a sucket
Speaker 2: signed to my teacher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who didn't been there? We've all been there.
Speaker 1: X Poc was one of my favorite x pock with
Speaker 1: the Rodeo because he was small. Yeah, he was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: X Poc was huge, Coach, did we miss anything from
Speaker 2: this game?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Game was the worst part about today.
Speaker 2: This game's fucking awesome. We in Boston are are very
Speaker 2: extremely happy and excited to have you as our head coach.
Speaker 2: It's a person from the community. You know, it's amazing
Speaker 2: you've gone out and you've had great success early on
Speaker 2: in your career and you look to learn to get
Speaker 2: it to continue it. Like you're constantly learning. That's something
Speaker 2: that I've always felt when I've talked to you in
Speaker 2: our conversations. Hasn't been many, but you're always on like
Speaker 2: the hunt to learn. You're always trying to take something
Speaker 2: from someone to help your team. And I think, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's been a pleasure to get to know you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and I appreciate you coming on here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks for paving the way with the success
Speaker 1: you've had as a player. And I've said all the time,
Speaker 1: like the people before us, because they've won, they've made
Speaker 1: this job what it is. And the best compliment in
Speaker 1: the gift that you have is coaching in Boston, coaching
Speaker 1: the Celtics, coaching for the responsibility in the ownership of
Speaker 1: going after championships every year. But also I think just
Speaker 1: as important as that is trying to take on the
Speaker 1: identity of the city and take on the identity of
Speaker 1: what it means to be an athlete or a person
Speaker 1: in Boston and what it means to be a competitor
Speaker 1: for the Celtics.
Speaker 2: Those two things. Every day I wake up.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that, you know, because I don't know
Speaker 1: how long it's going to last, but for however long
Speaker 1: it does, you got to make sure we try to
Speaker 1: leave it in a better place. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: credit to our former ownership of Wicked PAGs is they
Speaker 1: got it and they left it in a better place.
Speaker 1: And I'm thankful to them for giving the opportunity. And
Speaker 1: then now we have you know, new ownership and Bill
Speaker 1: and and Wick and and you know they'll look to
Speaker 1: do the same thing. And it's just the ultimate responsibility.
Speaker 1: So I'm forever grateful to the city and to people
Speaker 1: like you've, you know, paved the way for us.
Speaker 2: Oh Man.
Speaker 5: From a fan perspective, Coach, thank you for everything you do. Man,
Speaker 5: I look up to you.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 5: You've given me some of my best sports memories of
Speaker 5: all time, So Jack, thank you you guys. I was
Speaker 5: at Game five with Sam and I think a lot
Speaker 5: of us are best memories in life revolved around sports,
Speaker 5: and they do.
Speaker 2: That's right up there at the tippy tippy top.
Speaker 3: So we got creating.
Speaker 2: Forever grateful for you. More. Yes, let's create more. Everyone
Speaker 2: go check them out. Boston Celtics mindset is gonna be
Speaker 2: on fire this year. Let's go and thank you coach
Speaker 2: Joe Missoula. Thanks brother man a white whale guest for me.
Speaker 2: He's he's got a mindset. I'm excited to watch him
Speaker 2: continue his coaching career. Me too. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm a little more invested to the Celtics now because
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 5: Oh, me too. Like I would run through a wall
Speaker 5: for Joe. I'd go to battle for Joe. I'd go
Speaker 5: to the depths of hell for Joe.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I'm a Joe guy, and that would just put it
Speaker 5: over the top. Took it to a whole other level.
Speaker 5: And there's kind of this weird We talked about it
Speaker 5: a little bit, but when you don't win the ship
Speaker 5: and when the season comes up short and it feels
Speaker 5: like a failure, like me as a fan, he going
Speaker 5: to kind of more like You're like, it's a weird
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. The whole offseason is just
Speaker 5: a bummer. But hearing from Joe and his positivity and
Speaker 5: his mindset and a tenacity like I'm back.
Speaker 2: Baby needed that miserable. He loves it. He loves it.
Speaker 2: We just sent him like fifteen new hoodies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna start to that's.
Speaker 2: A happily miserable.
Speaker 5: We got it over that big time. That's a joe.
Speaker 5: He loves that. Doing a happily miserable segment. Maybe every
Speaker 5: once in a while we can talk about the things
Speaker 5: that makes us happy that we're miserable about.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's let's pump the breaks boys.
Speaker 4: Cheez, it's a.
Speaker 5: Three sixty situation. See, the segment will help us sell merch.
Speaker 5: The merch will help us.
Speaker 2: Let's just pump the breaks. Okay, it's time. You know
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Speaker 5: It's pretty cool. He opened it with one hand like that. Cheers, Bubba.
Speaker 5: You've never done that. My decksterity not quite that good.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm a two hinder. That's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. That just feels white trash to me.
Speaker 5: You just be like, now it feels like that's like
Speaker 5: your little Texan guy coming out your reach over, grab
Speaker 5: you court.
Speaker 2: I think that was like how one of like my
Speaker 2: uncle's friends used to open the beer. He was the man. No,
Speaker 2: he was complete degenerate. Sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were. I think we were at like my grandma's trailers.
Speaker 2: Let's get into this though.
Speaker 5: Since this episode was all about the Celtics and there's
Speaker 5: this there's this great bond between athletes, especially in Boston,
Speaker 5: we want to pull back the curtain a little bit
Speaker 5: and talk to you, Jules about what it's like to
Speaker 5: hang out with other pro athletes from other sports, within
Speaker 5: your sport, around the league, just everywhere.
Speaker 2: In that kind of bond you guys have.
Speaker 5: When you're yourself are a pro athlete, how those friendships
Speaker 5: are made, how they're maintained, Just kind of kind of
Speaker 5: get a sense of how it is because you know,
Speaker 5: as a fan, you wonder, is that guy really budgs with?
Speaker 5: That Guy's that guy you know like and it's it's
Speaker 5: I think it's especially cool in Boston.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, early in my career, I would
Speaker 2: see Veritek got a lot of like charity pet colts
Speaker 2: I never really saw Padoya always wanted to. I mean
Speaker 2: we I used his bat and batting practice, laser show,
Speaker 2: Laser show, laser show. Uh so that was like my
Speaker 2: my red Sox. And then I used to hang out
Speaker 2: with what's his name, Gabe Napoli. Napoli, you know, we
Speaker 2: used to like it's in those days. We would see
Speaker 2: each other at local bars. That's when Daisy Buchans was
Speaker 2: still around, and that was like legendary spot. That was
Speaker 2: a legendary spot and so you would see a lot
Speaker 2: of guys there. And then we go to I remember
Speaker 2: going to like this Chinese restaurant after hours and I
Speaker 2: would see Baby Davis and a lot of the Celtics there. Baby,
Speaker 2: you'd go there and I'm not going to say the
Speaker 2: name of the establishment, but all you had to do
Speaker 2: is ask for cold tea and they give you a
Speaker 2: bucket of beer after two. So like that's where I
Speaker 2: would see a lot of.
Speaker 4: This hold on. So you're at the club, you're at
Speaker 4: a bar at something, and you see like the Celtics
Speaker 4: guys over there. How does that like does someone go up?
Speaker 4: Do you like guys wreck as each other? Like like
Speaker 4: is it just like a head nod or like, how
Speaker 4: does that actually go down?
Speaker 2: It depends because like, I don't. I wasn't. I was
Speaker 2: still young. Then I became closer with Like I met
Speaker 2: Jalen Brown a few times a game and hang out.
Speaker 2: We hung out a couple of times, and the old
Speaker 2: the newer Celtics, the older one. I was still too
Speaker 2: young in my prime and I didn't live in the
Speaker 2: city yet, so that was early on my career. I
Speaker 2: would come into the city. When I moved to the city,
Speaker 2: that's when I started hanging out more like nap and
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of Celtics. I would see them.
Speaker 2: I went and spent time with them at their facility,
Speaker 2: so I got to know them a little. I hung
Speaker 2: out with the Bruins when we were young Segs Thornton.
Speaker 2: I would see me Lan. We would have beer chugging
Speaker 2: contests at Demonica's anytime Loocher's around. It was just like
Speaker 2: we're chugging beers those guys. You know. It always happened
Speaker 2: at like either a charity event or at local establishments.
Speaker 2: You go to Southis, you'd see some of the Bruins
Speaker 2: out and then nowadays it's simply because of social Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, now you could we both follow each other
Speaker 2: and something you you comment on a story, they comment
Speaker 2: on one of yours, and that's how you stay in touch.
Speaker 2: So that's like the cool thing about it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you can still stay in touch with guys via social
Speaker 2: without even having to talk to them. But like athlete
Speaker 2: friendship is also different. Friendship like I could like I
Speaker 2: didn't I haven't seen you know, example, I go to
Speaker 2: Cardonia's wedding. I haven't seen Ryan Allen in seven years
Speaker 2: since he left, and you know, we see each other.
Speaker 2: It's like we haven't not seen each other, didn't miss
Speaker 2: the seven years and didn't miss a beat. And it's
Speaker 2: like that because you understand when you're a professional athlete
Speaker 2: that like your life is pretty much predicated around your
Speaker 2: your sports schedule and the times that you do cross
Speaker 2: paths with other guys. You enjoy those times, but sometimes
Speaker 2: you just don't have time to like, hey man, what
Speaker 2: do you know? What are you doing here there that
Speaker 2: you know? So you know? And then Celtics games. You
Speaker 2: go to Celtics games and there'd always be I used
Speaker 2: to go to I think I went to a Celtics
Speaker 2: game with bradmorshawan once with Duly Coo. Yeah, the same
Speaker 2: as Mars Gronk used to go a lot with them. Uh,
Speaker 2: you would see some of the Celtics or you would
Speaker 2: see you'd see all the Celtics. You would see some
Speaker 2: of the Red Sox.
Speaker 4: If you're going to like let's say you're going to
Speaker 4: a Celtics game with whoever, are you interacting with the
Speaker 4: Celtics like after or before or like like because they
Speaker 4: if the Celtics, Oh, we know that's a Patriots guy.
Speaker 2: You connect or something. It's ahead nod. Let I know
Speaker 2: they're working. Yeah, you know, I remember when you know
Speaker 2: you have people at the game and you know, like
Speaker 2: this is their job, you know. I like what's up?
Speaker 2: Adapt maybe you know, maybe an inner joke with Jalen
Speaker 2: I love when jab comes DAPs you up?
Speaker 4: How does that when you were a football player, because
Speaker 4: so far removed from the state, Like are you ever
Speaker 4: noticing guys that are in town or people?
Speaker 2: You know what you would see because like after teams
Speaker 2: would win, they would come and we'd had cool like
Speaker 2: they would wear like a Patriot jersey or in Boston
Speaker 2: Celtics jersey or a Bruins like there was a lot
Speaker 2: of those types of things where you would go to
Speaker 2: their games. We dropped pucks, we threw first pitches, and
Speaker 2: they would come to our games to be honored before
Speaker 2: the game or at halftime or something like that. And
Speaker 2: it's different. I was never like a key, key kind
Speaker 2: of guy before a game, like like you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but buddy, yeah, we weren't doing that. I wasn't. At
Speaker 2: least I would give a head nod or something. But
Speaker 2: I had to like mentally put myself in a different
Speaker 2: place to to go out and perform. Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: Like even McAfee talks about it. Like when I used
Speaker 2: to like look at the other punters, I was trying
Speaker 2: to intimidate them like I wanted I would go right
Speaker 2: next to them, like watching I loved like the pregame
Speaker 2: psychological battles, you know, like or or like looking at
Speaker 2: a dB a certain way like I played with some
Speaker 2: of those day. Fuck that not today, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That's that's how I saw guys do it.
Speaker 2: That's how I was kind of told to approach it,
Speaker 2: and then that's how I developed it. But getting back
Speaker 2: to other athletes, you know it, we were talking with Joe,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to get to play for this city.
Speaker 2: Like it's insanely cool to get to play for Boston
Speaker 2: and have this part of your identity because it's such
Speaker 2: a huge pivotal sport identity like this. This could be like,
Speaker 2: you know, New York's a big market this that, but
Speaker 2: like this is a huge crazy like pro sport town
Speaker 2: where they've had but they've all got to taste success. Well,
Speaker 2: all being good, was.
Speaker 4: There a been like a sibling rivalry between the sports
Speaker 4: in a city like Boston, Like, oh, they want a
Speaker 4: championship more recently, that's we got to go out and
Speaker 4: do it, Like, is there anything of that? Friendly?
Speaker 2: Friendly? It was never like fuck DMN, yeah they wanted.
Speaker 2: It was more like may motivation, fucking Bruins just want one.
Speaker 2: Let's go get one. That was our time. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: our time. I saw that damn parade. It look pretty
Speaker 2: damn fun because you know, the Bruins won right before
Speaker 2: I we won I think was eleven or twelve eleven,
Speaker 2: and then three years later we won our first really
Speaker 2: in the first and ten years for the Patriots, so
Speaker 2: people were kind of forgetting about us, you know, the
Speaker 2: Red Sox, you know what I mean. And then the
Speaker 2: Celts had eight, so like there is a time where
Speaker 2: it's a motivation factor that everyone had one except us,
Speaker 2: as in the Patriots, and even the Patriots before our
Speaker 2: time had one, so individually for that and like era team,
Speaker 2: it was like, Yo, I'm sick and already hearing about
Speaker 2: these fucking old Patriots. I'm sick and tired of hearing
Speaker 2: about we're the only ones without a ship. Like that's
Speaker 2: the kind of shit how I used it. At least
Speaker 2: I can't speak for everyone.
Speaker 4: So taking it outside of Boston, you kind of mentioned
Speaker 4: it slightly earlier, How does it? How do you like
Speaker 4: meet other players in the league if you didn't ever
Speaker 4: like play with them or like being in high school
Speaker 4: with them or callegs with them, how do you meet
Speaker 4: those guys?
Speaker 2: Early in my career would be like word of mouth
Speaker 2: type stuff teammate of a teammate now social media, but
Speaker 2: I remember early in my career, you know, Larry Fitzgerald
Speaker 2: used to hold this camp in the off season for receivers.
Speaker 2: Is like one of the first, Like you know there's
Speaker 2: tight End University. Larry was doing that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, where you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of receivers would go there, big name guys
Speaker 2: and then you know, I was going into like my
Speaker 2: second or third year, and I you know, I heard
Speaker 2: I got Charlie Fry used to go throw with them.
Speaker 2: So I asked, Charlie if I go. Larry said, no problem,
Speaker 2: come and so like we went and had like a
Speaker 2: training seminar for like a week together where I went
Speaker 2: and trained, We'd run routes and like, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: just word of mouth, and that was through a teammate.
Speaker 2: You know. Now it's it's really easy, you know, just
Speaker 2: all you got to do is tap in. You can
Speaker 2: get to anyone and say, man, hey, love your game,
Speaker 2: you know, or something like that.
Speaker 4: Are there any like off season like congregation points, like oh,
Speaker 4: a lot of guys go to La to train, or
Speaker 4: a lot of guys go to like, you know, Arizona
Speaker 4: to train in that week.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the there's like usually there's like
Speaker 2: five hubs early. You know, back in my day it
Speaker 2: was like Arizona like and the off season, guys would
Speaker 2: chase the Sun want to be able to train and
Speaker 2: work out in Sun or in their hometowns. A lot
Speaker 2: of guys come from the South. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of guys come from South Florida. So South Florida was
Speaker 2: a big one. The Tampa there was like training facilities there.
Speaker 2: It was like the APIs the EXOSS, and there's these
Speaker 2: other ones that were coming. They'd be South Florida, there'd
Speaker 2: be one in Texas. There'd be guys that go to
Speaker 2: Texas somewhere either Austin or or Houston or Dallas. There'd
Speaker 2: be a group of people in Scottsdale. That's where Larry was,
Speaker 2: so that's where I flew out too to do that
Speaker 2: receiver camp. And then there was California group, which was
Speaker 2: usually like LA. You know, there'd be usually guys in LA.
Speaker 2: You get a lot of like transplant guys that would
Speaker 2: come in for you know, three or four days.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: When I was training at API that turned into EXOS,
Speaker 2: we would I would train there for like three months,
Speaker 2: but there'd always be new guys in and out because
Speaker 2: they do a commercial in LA, but they still need
Speaker 2: to get their workouts in, so they'd come to API
Speaker 2: get their workout in through and we'd jump into groups
Speaker 2: and and and then we would train. And that was
Speaker 2: like some of the coolest stuff of about the off
Speaker 2: season is when I would train and there'd be like
Speaker 2: a group of guys TJ. Ward and and you know,
Speaker 2: I remember training a lot with him at Exo because
Speaker 2: he was an l A guy. You know, That's how
Speaker 2: me and Am and Dola met training at at in
Speaker 2: l A.
Speaker 4: Sound was before you guys were teammates.
Speaker 2: Before we were teammates, you know, So we started training together.
Speaker 2: There was a group of guys. You go to u
Speaker 2: c l A and there'd be a group of receivers
Speaker 2: and coaches out or not coaches, receivers and quarterbacks, they're
Speaker 2: like coaches. They would run it and we'd you know,
Speaker 2: run routes and that was like a way to a compete.
Speaker 2: B look at how other guys train, see like steel
Speaker 2: techniques and and look at like movements because like we
Speaker 2: didn't have Instagram like what it was now or TikTok
Speaker 2: on what it is now, where you could see how
Speaker 2: everyone trains. Like we would all like congregate to like
Speaker 2: u c l A use their practice fields. There'd be
Speaker 2: a group of guy I remember Odell would come out.
Speaker 2: There'd be those group of guys. Uh TJ. Houshman Z
Speaker 2: OUTA used to come out so like you'd always have
Speaker 2: these guys the lay and then there would be transplant
Speaker 2: guys that were here for training, and then everyone would
Speaker 2: go there and run routes and that was I loved
Speaker 2: that stuff, you know. And then also you know, I
Speaker 2: came out here, I came out to Or. I went
Speaker 2: to LA because that's where Tom lived at the time
Speaker 2: and he trained, and so we would go to his
Speaker 2: quarterback coach, Tom House, and I developed such a relationship
Speaker 2: with him that even when Tom was gone, I would
Speaker 2: go to Tom House because he had always had pro
Speaker 2: arms like I would throw with like Matt Stafford, I
Speaker 2: would throw with Jared Goff. I would throw a lot
Speaker 2: with like the cast Matt Kasso. I threw with Carson
Speaker 2: Palmer a bunch because he was in LA, but that
Speaker 2: was a different group. But like I would, I would
Speaker 2: go to where the arms were, the NFL arms, because
Speaker 2: I wanted to catch live balls. I wanted to catch
Speaker 2: balls from guys that were throwing an NFL ball. You know,
Speaker 2: JUG's machine's great, and that's great for like strengthening your hands,
Speaker 2: but you know, the ball comes out differently when you're
Speaker 2: running full speed and it's coming off a live arm,
Speaker 2: and that that ultimately, for me, was my best way
Speaker 2: to prepare was running a lot of routes, so I
Speaker 2: would look for the arms.
Speaker 5: You can't go get a beer with a drugs gun
Speaker 5: like you can Matthew Stafford afterwards, either exactly, I'll tell
Speaker 5: you why that ball didn't hit the turf that day.
Speaker 4: And how do those sessions work? Are they like or
Speaker 4: what's the vibe? Are they kind of chummy or do
Speaker 4: they sometimes they get a little like competitive and a
Speaker 4: little bit like depends on who who's there or does
Speaker 4: any rivalries exist into those things where like oh this
Speaker 4: guy beat us last playoff, you I'm going a little harder.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a little Now.
Speaker 2: Which sessions are we talking workout sessions are throwing sessions?
Speaker 4: Well, explain me the difference.
Speaker 2: First, So you know, the workout session was literally at
Speaker 2: a workout facility. So you go to exos and you
Speaker 2: do like your plometrics, your field work, your explosion work,
Speaker 2: weight room work, and then you would condition. That was
Speaker 2: like like an hour workout that was like fast tempo,
Speaker 2: constant competition. That was great because you do like all
Speaker 2: these you know, change of direction, drills and you were
Speaker 2: racing guys, so like it it brought in you know,
Speaker 2: it brought up the intensity. You know, you go do
Speaker 2: that by yourself. Yeah, you can be intense, but you're
Speaker 2: gonna you're adrenaline raises at least mind does when there's competition,
Speaker 2: so you know it could fuck up your technique, but
Speaker 2: you're gonna be going hard. No, So you know, we
Speaker 2: would play against each other here and there, but like
Speaker 2: it was different in the offseason. We were all there
Speaker 2: selfishly to get better, so like you could put it away.
Speaker 2: There was truth. There was truth, but like there was
Speaker 2: also I mean there are times where guys would compete
Speaker 2: and guys would get up in each other's faces. You know,
Speaker 2: like that's anytime you have a fucking bunch of high strung,
Speaker 2: fucking professional athletes got these you know, we were all competitors,
Speaker 2: So yeah, there would be shit talking in the weight room,
Speaker 2: like the weight and the workout ship usually our routes.
Speaker 2: Not really. It was kind of like it was kind
Speaker 2: of like doing infield showing off, you know, like when
Speaker 2: you do infield baseball, and that was your way to
Speaker 2: kind of swag out and show people.
Speaker 4: Courses before the Kentucky Derby to trot around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like dout them all over the first you know,
Speaker 2: so guys would naturally compete through how they ran their
Speaker 2: route and the smoothness of how they cut or their
Speaker 2: explosion in and out of a break or they're selling
Speaker 2: of a double move route like that was their way
Speaker 2: of like competing. We didn't have many one on ones,
Speaker 2: like I think now I see one on ones. It
Speaker 2: was there really just for conditioning and and and like
Speaker 2: route technique, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Do you ever learn anything about like another player from
Speaker 4: those sessions that you brought back into the New England
Speaker 4: be like, hey, you know what, Carson Palmer, take a
Speaker 4: look at this, or this is this or you just
Speaker 4: that's not really the mentality that goes into those.
Speaker 2: You talk with guys. But you also like you wouldn't
Speaker 2: tell them everything. Yeah, if they were telling you everything,
Speaker 2: that's all on that. This ain't no patient client confidentiality. Amen,
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna help our team.
Speaker 4: So if you're planning.
Speaker 2: He said, you got no hippocratic oaths plas, you're at
Speaker 2: the point like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're actually gonna learn in that moment. That's actually
Speaker 4: gonna go to the next level.
Speaker 2: You can take little things like on how guys like
Speaker 2: cut in and out of breaks or how you know,
Speaker 2: you know they would sell something, you know, head shoulder movements,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's the kind of shit you would take.
Speaker 2: Stacking the ball, tracking the ball, uh, those types of things.
Speaker 4: Was there ever a session earlier in your career excluding
Speaker 4: Tom that you were in one of those sessions and
Speaker 4: you're kind of the slaptick and some like hot shot,
Speaker 4: like big swinging dick guy was there that you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice is
Speaker 4: here or something like that that you got to learn
Speaker 4: a little bit from earlier career.
Speaker 2: There's one time, I think too showed up to one
Speaker 2: of those U C. L A things, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was a slap dick at that time, but I
Speaker 2: I I went one hundred miles an hour always, I
Speaker 2: was always I really I would look at them and
Speaker 2: in awe. But you're in a point where you're like
Speaker 2: you're still working, right, Like that's how I I did?
Speaker 2: I you know, I I so, but you you'd watch
Speaker 2: and used to go a lot lots of those TJ
Speaker 2: used to go they were like the bigger name guy
Speaker 2: like that, the more established guys. There were young guys
Speaker 2: that were bawling. Not that were there.
Speaker 4: But wasn't like watching t O in person. Just his
Speaker 4: like freakish like body size, but speed conbined, just like.
Speaker 2: He was a little older. Yeah, but I mean he
Speaker 2: looked apart. He still looks apart. I mean he's a
Speaker 2: he's a he's a he's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak.
Speaker 2: He's a freak. He's a specimen.
Speaker 5: I got two four years jewels. Say you're out painting
Speaker 5: the picture here, not in your home city, and in Boston,
Speaker 5: maybe Miami, somewhere, out for a night out. You look
Speaker 5: across the bar, you see a dude you battled, you
Speaker 5: don't know him, maybe a jet and maybe an arrival.
Speaker 2: You battled with this guy. You look across the bar,
Speaker 2: you lock eyes.
Speaker 5: Then a conversation starts and you kind of bury the
Speaker 5: hatchet and break bread with each other.
Speaker 2: Has that ever happened? I wouldn't say break bread, but
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a few of a better term. Sorry,
Speaker 2: there's been a few times where you see a guy
Speaker 2: that you know you're not expecting to run into him
Speaker 2: out somewhere. Yeah, and you got you love competing against you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely keep it moving type type, keep it moving. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel that. And then who looked at us differently though? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's beating out of everyone, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you go to the you
Speaker 2: go to Derby and the other teams there. We always
Speaker 2: went after like we want a super Bowl and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people looked at us probably like we're arrogant assholes a
Speaker 2: little bit, Hey, ayus because ainus? I don't know. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I feel that. And then my other one, but I
Speaker 2: used to be around a lot of the Bronco guys
Speaker 2: because I saw I was with you know, I used
Speaker 2: to train with TJ. Ward and you know, you know
Speaker 2: we battled again. Yeah, I was gonna say that it
Speaker 2: was always fun. It was always fun to just talk shit.
Speaker 2: I feel that. But like we there was a respect.
Speaker 2: I always respected guys that worked their ass off in
Speaker 2: the trail, like soft season. So if I didn't like you,
Speaker 2: but I saw you you working, I liked you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can't knock the hustle. You can't knock hustle. You
Speaker 2: can't knock guys that are trying to get better as there.
Speaker 5: Ever, we talked a little bit earlier about the beauty
Speaker 5: of social media with helping guys stay in touch and
Speaker 5: connecting and dudes you may have never crossed paths with
Speaker 5: just being able to hit him up with a click
Speaker 5: of a button. Have you ever gotten one of those
Speaker 5: guys giving you I like your game type vibe that
Speaker 5: like really meant something or major eyes light up when
Speaker 5: you got that message, like it came out of the blue.
Speaker 2: Not really, but I feel you, you know, Like Brandon
Speaker 2: Marshall when I first started working with him, he it
Speaker 2: kind of blew my mind out, Like you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was fluffing me, but he was like, Jules,
Speaker 2: I love your game, your su like he Brandon Marshall
Speaker 2: always used to hype me up, the original Glazer. I
Speaker 2: like it. He's he knew how to charm me nice.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: He's also that prototypical like number one wide receiver kind
Speaker 4: of vibe. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I did it for
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 2: Dude. At thirty one, I think he had like a
Speaker 2: hundred and something catches pro Bowl legend. He's he was
Speaker 2: a monster people forget about you know, it sucks that
Speaker 2: he never played in a playoff game because he had
Speaker 2: such an elite career. He had a crazy career.
Speaker 4: And like he did it with the quarterbacks that were
Speaker 4: throwing it to him pretty consistently.
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, yeah, yeah, he's a large man. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: b Marsh.
Speaker 4: Marsh's is a most size and personnality.
Speaker 2: But I think it's also even more like with the
Speaker 2: players and friendships and stuff. Now it's it's to an
Speaker 2: all time high. Now, yeah, it's it's almost too much.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's almost it's two k key, it's
Speaker 2: a little two key key. I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 2: like seeing it's weird to see as a as a fan.
Speaker 2: I want you to hate each like yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's kind of you gotta we have a responsibility, man,
Speaker 2: keep you like ww you guys could be boys in
Speaker 2: the off season and stuff, but like, at least, like
Speaker 2: we got to act like we hate each other. I
Speaker 2: don't keep up the illusion. You can't have let's say
Speaker 2: you don't hate anything, Well, you ain't competing right then.
Speaker 5: You can't have the iron chic in the whole traveling
Speaker 5: to the event together everybody in the world sees them.
Speaker 2: The jig is up. It's up. I'm with you, you know.
Speaker 2: Macho man, Randy Savage and fucking Andre the Giant didn't
Speaker 2: like each other boo. They also showed that they didn't
Speaker 2: like each other in the ring either. Amen. I don't
Speaker 2: know where that Yeah, I just saw that was a
Speaker 2: great one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so great segment. That was awesome. Was insightful audience.
Speaker 4: More comments, voicemails of in depth things you wanted to
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Speaker 2: The hockey guys you just got. You know. I went
Speaker 2: and visited one of my boys in Toronto, JPR and Cebia.
Speaker 2: He was a catcher, took VP with them out there
Speaker 2: and ended up linking up with Sagan and the hockey guy.
Speaker 2: Those got hockey guys. It's fucking it. There are different breed.
Speaker 2: PK Suba like I hung out him, like these guys
Speaker 2: like they can go drink and then go like perform
Speaker 2: at a high level. It's insane, Bill Diffy.
Speaker 4: A lot of them have been doing like the professional
Speaker 4: routine when they're teenage yea right, not being at home
Speaker 4: on the road all the time, practice in school and
Speaker 4: this and always like learning it. And then they become
Speaker 4: pros at being pros early as.
Speaker 5: A great way to put it, they're pros pro And
Speaker 5: maybe just because my I'm back in Boston and my
Speaker 5: homerism is coming out. But what other city is a
Speaker 5: NBA champion and two Super Bowl champions hood sliding out
Speaker 5: in LA together after years and years?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 2: Who else is doing that? Nobody but Boston Baby? Oh, Paul,
Speaker 2: I see him at work all the time, I say, Paul.
Speaker 2: We can't hang out, Paul, we can't hang out.
Speaker 5: Yay.
Speaker 2: Last time we hung out, Bill took my captain away.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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