WEBVTT - Game 1 with Joe Mazzulla | 76ers vs. Celtics (2022) 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.240 I'm attracted to the dark side of greatness or the 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.320 dark side of like the tugs of identity and love. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.440 And the gap between a hero and a villain is 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.360 much It's very similar to like the gap between winning 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.480 and losing and greatness to you know, be good to 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 great Like that gap is so much closer than people think, 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.439 and it's very small, fundamental details that separate you. That's 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.480 the space that I like to like dive into a lot. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.680 What is it the saying you live long enough to 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.800 the hero, you die the villain or something dark knight, 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.800 dark Knight, the dire hero, live long enough to be 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.840 the villain. I mean, that's as true as you can get. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.960 Welcome to Games with names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.120 and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.760 the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.760 are covering game one of the twenty twenty two NBA 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:55.200 Season sixers versus Celtics with West Virginia legend and New 0:00:55.200 --> 0:01:01.040 England native NBA champions and movie buff coach Joe Missoula, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.000 and we get into talking Joe's first game as an 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:04.960 NBA head coach. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.200 Just don't make this about your first game. Make this 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.440 about how we can win the game. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.679 Coach also shows us a tattoo that has never been shown. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.920 This is the first time, I mean since so I 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:15.280 have this. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.440 Wow, what makes Boston such a great sports town? 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.960 When I see people wearing Celtic gear and they don't 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.760 see me, I got goosebumps. 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.360 And then we get into talking about what it's like 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.720 crossing paths with other pro athletes. In this week's Chill Zone, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.000 presented by Cooler's Light, you gotta stick around to the 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.120 very end. Let's call games with names of production of 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:45.440 iHeart Radio special announcement. I repeat, we have a special announcement. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.840 We got plans on August twenty eight. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.880 You got plans on August twenty. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.640 No, they have plans on August twenty because we are 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.360 doing another live show. Let's go. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:58.080 It's just games. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.160 The names dues and dudes. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:01:59.960 Gron's going to be there. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.960 I don't have a name yet. Well, regardless, we do 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.360 have a play dues with games. Where's the place we 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.560 have a place? MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.320 One night only, one night only, one show, a lot 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:17.840 of people. Yeah, scary in Fenway. You basically I think 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.760 you could take a door to We're definitely going to 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.520 Tickets are on sale today at ticketmaster dot com. Use 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:32.079 the promo code nuthouse. If you're listening, they're live at 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.120 ten am. If you're watching this on YouTube, they are 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:36.520 live right now. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.040 Promo code nuthouse n U T H O U s E. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.399 It's gonna be awesome. We learned a lot from last year. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.760 I like to call it nuthhousesnuthus. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.720 I don't know. Let's get back to Joe Missoula October eighteen, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:58.120 twenty twenty two, TD got Boston, Massachusetts. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.960 Two Hopefield campaigns can go off on the parquet. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:10.680 The Missoula era is underway ones all right. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:18.320 Now. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.400 How many times do you think about the Roman Empire 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.799 a week? This is like a masculinity thing because it's 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.280 going around on the internet. What is like men? If 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.480 you're such a masculine man, you probably think of like 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.760 the Roman Empire like five times a week. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.400 Really, that's something I think about it at least once 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:35.760 a day. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.240 I don't want to come off as dark, but I 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.920 think there's a lot of lightness in the dark. But 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.160 I think a lot about the duality of like life 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.280 and death and the decisions that you make and the 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.720 balance of you know, the rise and fall of the 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.280 Roman Empire and how the rise and fall of dynasties 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.200 organizations yourself, your family. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.040 Like all those spaces of like that going too. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.720 I think about that probably thirty times a day, you know, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.040 just the duality of competition and what that means and 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.320 your own mortality and how to play your part in 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.440 that and going after something. And you know, a lot 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.400 of times when people pick a dream or pick a 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.480 goal to go after, they only look at the positive 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.600 side of that. They don't look at like the dark 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.600 side of going after a goal. Yeah, you know, and 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.040 if you're going to go after a goal, there's probably 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.160 just as much, if not more dark side as there 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.760 is light side, you know, And that's that's what comes 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.520 with it. So I think about that space probably all 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.760 the time. You can't have one out the other. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.680 My dad used to say, goals without actions are just 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:39.560 fucking dreams. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:40.440 Yeah. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.080 But at the same time, sometimes are the dark things 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.240 that you have to do, the sacrifice, the accountability, the 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.040 ship that you have to run through to get to 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.680 the top, that you have to you have to experience, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.479 the losing to get to where you have to go. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.080 And you know, failure the failure because the you know, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.200 you feel like life is all about failure. There's like 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.479 five or six times where you don't fail. You're just 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.520 hoping that those five or six times are badass. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:10.320 Yeah, no question. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.120 Life really is just a bunch of failures used to 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.080 try to get as many successes as you can. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:20.039 Man, we're getting We're getting fucking deep. Let's let's let's 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.359 welcome our guest. We have a very special guest. No, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.800 we gotta welcome a very special guest today here in 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:32.280 the Nuthouse, Boston. Addition, to talk about Game one twenty 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:38.360 twenty two, twenty twenty three NBA Season seventy six ers 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:43.400 versus the Boston Celtics in game one of coach Missoula's 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.000 coaching career in one sentence, don't get two in depth. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.440 We'll dive into the game in one sentence. Why this game? 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.960 I mean it's the Celtics, and uh, you know, it 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.120 was the beginning of our journey that you know we're 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.400 now three years into. And uh, you know, I think 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.480 you can never you can never stop learning. But when 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.680 you when it's your first game and it's your first opportunity, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.360 and you look back three years from now when the 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.160 journey that you're on. It's always good to go back 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.040 and kind of see, like, man, that's what I was 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.560 thinking in that moment and kind of where you're at now. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.840 You know, it's just the greatest game of all time. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.160 No, definitely not no, All right, well, we just hope 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.000 the greatest game of all time hasn't happened yet. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.120 Yes, you know, let's go. That's a great answer. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.600 But hey, thanks for talking to the team this year, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.159 and I'm happy to be here, so I appreciate the 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.680 growth of our you know, relationship. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:40.479 You know, I'm hoping my words meant something. Maybe not work, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.400 Coach didn't wandn't work. It didn't work, So I got 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.640 to fucking work. So maybe don't call me next year. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:45.960 I won't ever come talk to the team. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.239 Guest speakers that aren't welcome back. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.280 And I guess I'm on there. No fly list, bro, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.960 no fly list, jesus, I feel like a soft Now, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.560 Coach talk to us about the off season. How's it 0:06:58.600 --> 0:06:59.159 going so far? 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:04.080 I think your buddy's hoodie when I walked in today 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.600 said it best. Happily miserable. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:06.599 Happily miserable. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:07.400 That's how it's going. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:08.960 Yeah, we got to bring that, We got to get 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.280 you a happily miserable. It's hootiful. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.760 It's a beautiful expression and a very honest and uh. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:15.960 What does it mean to you? 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.960 I mean, I think it's the space. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.360 It's the space of of where people are trying to 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:22.760 live and you know, I don't I don't think you 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.400 can have one without the other, and I don't think 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.920 you can have too much of one. And so I 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.360 think it's a balance of like, you know, you're in 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.520 a space right now. We didn't achieve our goal. I mean, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.520 our goal is to win a championship every single year. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.840 We have a responsibility and ownership, uh, you know, to 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.520 the city, to the organization, really to our to ourselves 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.560 in the competitive arena to try and do that every year, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.880 and you didn't do it. And so but at the 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.440 same time, Uh, there were a lot of positive things 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.600 that came out of the season, you know, as a team, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.920 as individuals, and there's a lot of stuff that that 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.160 you know comes out of the positive you know, in 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.000 your family and in your life, and. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.320 So you have to be able to accept both of 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:55.840 those things. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.840 And you know, I think the scariest thing is, like, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.960 if you plan on coaching or playing for a long 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.840 long time, if you look at the ratio outside of 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.160 like John Wooden right out back and Phil Jackson, the 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.360 ratio of like successes to failures weighs heavier on the 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.160 failure side if you count not winning your championship as 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.200 a failure. And so that space of happily and miserable 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.040 is somewhere where you've got to be extremely comfortable, because 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.679 I think that's where you grow the most. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.000 You know, Yeah, I. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.760 Mean that's how the off season's going. That's how now 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.240 you guys are faced with some adversity. You know, I 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:32.280 used to hear every every last meeting of the season, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:37.000 Bill would say, you know, that's the last time this 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.480 team will be together. Next year. There's gonna be new 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.880 coaches next year. There's gonna be new players next year. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.760 There's gonna be guys that leave, there's gonna be guys 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.240 that come. How do you deal with an adversity like 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.240 losing JT and then going into another season not knowing 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.080 what your team's gonna be. How do you deal with 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:56.760 these types of things as a coach. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.240 Mentally, I mean, I think at the end of the day, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.599 like you got to sign up, you sign up for 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.199 the journey. I don't think you sign up for the 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.600 short term approach to one year. You know, if that 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.200 was the case, and I would have retired after year two, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.480 you know. And so I think you sign up for 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.360 the journey, and you don't sign up for just one 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.280 person's journey. I think you take on the journey of 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.040 everybody you know in the organization, all of your players, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.280 all of your coaches, all your staff members, you're for 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.880 however long you're together. You're on this journey. And there's 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.920 different chapters in it, right, and each chapter has a 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.840 different heading, has a different theme, has a different outlook. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.360 But it never gets you know, it doesn't get stopped written, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:32.720 you know. And I think that's how you have to 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.520 look at it, is, Uh, you know, one chapter is over, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.320 the next chapter begins, and you know you have to 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.920 take on, you know, other people's journeys, you know, to 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.240 build those relationships and to go after stuff together. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.000 And so that's kind of how we look at it. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:51.839 Coach. You have such in depth answers, like we haven't 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.280 we were talking before the show, and you just you're 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.520 always very deep. Do you read a lot? How fuck 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.559 do you know all this shit? You're fucking younger than me. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:02.920 Thirty nine. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:03.800 I'm thirty nine. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.920 I mean so a couple of my favorite books are 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:13.760 probably some of yours. Oh that's great. I think you 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.080 have to. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.720 I think the most important thing is I've been blessed 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.120 to have great people, great family, great opportunities. But I 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.200 think you've got to fight for a perspective because if 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.080 you don't, you could lose yourself. And that's my biggest 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.600 fear in life, is losing myself amongst all this worldly 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.760 stuff that we're going after, which is important to go after. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.440 But like Ecclesiastes is my favorite book. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.000 No, that's not one of my football guy, not a 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.440 big reader. Audiobook guy, I gotta listen. I can't read 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:40.000 very well. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.280 Proverbs favorite book saw Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Psalms, the Book of Wisdoms. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.160 Like I think, I think, you know, we were talking 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.040 about the history of Israel and Rome. I think you 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.720 just have to understand everything that came before you, and 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.520 you have to understand what's possible to come after you. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.640 And so I think you have to fight for that perspective, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.640 and it's so easy to just get caught up in 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.319 your own world and think what happened to me is 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:01.880 either the greatest thing or the worst thing. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.280 Now what you just said there, you said you have 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.120 to know what came before you do. You see coaching 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.480 a new these newer players that they struggle with seeing 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.360 and learning from the past, because you know, every older 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.320 generation that leaves a locker room and welcomes a new 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.760 generation into a locker room's like, man, I feel like 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.160 every old guy says, man, they don't they don't they 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.280 don't fight like they used to. Oh man, they don't 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.760 understand the history like they used to. And now that 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.480 I'm the old guy, and when I was the old 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:34.959 guy in the locker room, I say to say, oh, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.520 you know the same thing. Do you see it's getting different? 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.920 Or I think that comes from the generation being attached 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.720 to its identity and not being able to let it 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.240 go right like you see it all the time when 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.480 like it happens to me, like I was a shit player, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.760 Like I was an average basketball player at best. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.160 You know, I just kind of tried hard. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.680 But the older you get, people's memories focus on certain things, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.720 and so I think you end up becoming better than 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.199 what you once were at the time because everybody he 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.520 always wants to remember that emotional good thing and that 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.760 like that attachment to the identity, and it's like the 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.000 older you get, the better you were. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.360 You know what I mean. No, I it's it's crazy. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.920 I'm the complete opposite me. I am personally too. Yeah, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.080 Like I get the more I laugh at how bad 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.280 I actually was, exactly like I I don't think, like 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.640 when people come up to me all the time and say, man, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.360 how'd you make that catch in that Super Bowl? I go, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.160 I don't even think. I think about the third down 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.480 that I dropped coming out of the fucking halftime, same 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.280 being the raw Rock guy saying it's gonna be a 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.800 hell of a fucking story. And then our defense goes 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.280 through and out we get a fucking I get a 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.840 good look, I get the guy bop them drop the ball. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.480 That's what I think I think of the ship. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.959 But I think I think most of I think most 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:42.800 and it's probably a little bit of a generalization or 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.560 attached to the identity of what they once were, you know. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.960 And so I think that's where the oh, you know, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.280 we never did this stuff or you know, and I 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.559 think that's part of our responsibility is to your responsibility 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.320 in the present moment is to give it everything you have, 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:56.240 and then you know. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.079 When it's over, you're just forgotten about. Like, I think 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:58.840 that's just kind. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.240 Of I think it also goes to that dream thing 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.480 that we were just talking about. You know, a lot 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.040 of these guys, a lot of people like you said, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.679 we are given information. Now everyone can see an experience 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.720 with other people experience. Some people forget about their own 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.800 journey and forget about Hey, let's make our own experience 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.080 and live off of that. Yeah, you know, they. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.000 Also forget about like Like, one of the things I 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.280 like to do as an exercise is, you know, I 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.240 think everyone studies successes, but I always go back and 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.040 look at the best players and the best coaches and 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.720 all the mistakes that they made, because it's tumbling because 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.560 like one, they're all better than Like, all the coaches 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.600 in the past are better than I am, and all 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.559 the players in the past were great players, but you've 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.920 got to look at all the mistakes that were made. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:42.960 And it's a balance. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.320 And so, you know, a healthy exercise is to go 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.199 back and be like, Okay, you know, why did this team, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.800 you know, blow this lead in a ninety five NBA 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:51.960 Finals in a game? 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.480 Or like what adjustment was made there? 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.560 And so I think you have to find the balance 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.000 of like you want to look at all the best 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.760 things that coaches did, but you also got to look 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.120 at it's easy to forget all those things. You know 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.640 that the mistakes that were made before your time, and 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:04.720 and and. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.280 So I try to do both of those. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:07.960 You know, you have to study the successes, but you're 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.680 also going to study the failure is because it gives 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:10.959 you a perspective. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.920 One thousand percent. You know, a mistake is great because 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.760 it's a learning experience. You just can't make that mistake twice, Yeah, right, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:21.080 try not to try. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.920 You're gonna make it. You're gonna make a different. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.720 One, but but you're gonna make a different one. A 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.640 different one is okay, you just can't. Like, That's what 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.840 I always told young players. You're gonna make mistakes. Just 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.000 don't make the same one twice. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.440 Yeah, but make a different one. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.480 Make a different one. But you'll learn from that, you 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.360 know what I mean. Now you have such a you 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.120 have such a learning mindset. You grew up in Providence, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.160 Rhode Island. You're on a border hot Tucket right over there. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.400 We're in We're in fucking roady. We're a roady. Okay, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:54.000 we're a roady. Now where did this love of learning 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.720 come from? You? Your dad was a basketball coach? Is 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.160 that where this all came from? What's a young which 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:00.640 was Zula? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:00.800 Like? 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.200 Yeah, I mean I probably didn't. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.640 I probably wasn't as much of a growth mindset until 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.760 I graduated from college. I mean I was probably very 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.480 the opposite in college, but I was. I was very 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.000 I was very blessed. I always had, you know, my 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.840 parents were there for me in different ways. My mom 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.120 was the academic side, you know, making sure I did 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.840 my homework. My dad was like the mindset side. But 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.360 I always had great coaches, Like I never had a 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.080 negative coaching experience, and I think that's huge for a kid, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.400 you know, trying to get into athletics. Is like I 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.720 can remember, you know, ninety five, if not one hundred 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.680 percent of my coaches names at every level. I can 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.080 remember some of the practice plans, what they taught me. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.640 And I just never had a negative experience. And so 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440 as I started to get older, I realized what they 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.680 were teaching me was so much bigger than just basketball, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.840 but it was all based on the fundamentals. And so 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.680 I think when I got into playing, I was probably 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.680 more results oriented and caught up in you know, my 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.480 own identity and trying to make a name for yourself. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.400 And and after that when I was like forced when 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:00.800 the game was taken it from me, and I was 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.800 like forced to decide, Okay, like where am I going? 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.640 You know, you can't play, and so where is my 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.120 identity going to be in? You know, I started to 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.280 go back to those moments of coaching and reflecting on 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.320 how I never had negative experiences as a coach and 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.360 all the times with your teammates, and it's like, you know, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:17.840 the best way to stay in the game if you 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.560 can't play is to is to be a part of 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.240 that and to give that back to the people that 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.440 are coming after you. And so I think that's kind 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.480 of where it's come from, is like, you know, here 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.960 are the moments I'm only here because of the people 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.560 around me and cannot be you know, one person that 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.800 helps you know others get to that. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.000 You know, now you never had a bad coach, What 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.280 makes a great coach then. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.160 I mean at every level. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.120 I mean, I'll tell you my CYO coach at Saint Phillip's, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.560 we practiced i think three four days a week from 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.120 five thirty to eight and it was a drug. It 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.920 was just drudgery. We did the same thing every single practice, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.040 ran the same place. But you know, Mike and Jeff 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.320 did an amazing job of teaching us the fundamentals and 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.880 putting us in position to win. And like, you know, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.440 same thing with my AU coaches, you know, Coach Vitale 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.280 and you know those group of guys like to me, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.600 they're they're honest with you. You know, they're in it 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.280 for the right reasons. Uh, they're in it to to 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.320 see kids get better. They're honest with you, whether you're 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.520 good or whether you suck. I remember I had a 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.080 bad game and AU and my my AU coach came 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.600 up to me and was like, man, you suck today. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.560 He's like, but you know, the guy you went against 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.000 just kicked your ass. But you know he's gonna make 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.400 it one day, and so were you. And so they're 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.159 able to be honest with you but also give you, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.480 uh you know, the the encouragement or the perspective that 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.560 you need to go forward, and I think they never 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.680 let you settle being yourself. I think they they hold 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.560 you accountable to the person that you say you want 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.240 to be or the person that they think you can become. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.320 And that's a that's a space that many people aren't 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:46.800 willing to go to. So I think that's kind of 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.480 at any level, that's what the coaches are. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.760 If have you noticed coaching styles evolve these days compared 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.480 to what we used to go through. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.879 I mean, everything matters the times, you know, and I 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:00.840 think you always have to evolve. I think there's moments 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.680 I think I think it's more about what the personality 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.160 that you have, right, And I think as we get 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.160 into this game, you know, looking at that as I'm 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.000 standing on the sidelines, even that moment, I'm like, Okay, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.280 who am I going to be as a coach? 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.280 You know, who am I? What am I going to be? 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:14.399 Like? 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:15.200 What's my identity? 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.280 How are we going to how we're going to go 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.199 about things as a team, as a staff, How am 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.560 I going to handle things individually? And So I think 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.639 it's more like personality based, where as long as you 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.320 can become an authentic to who you are as a leader. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.840 People will respect that and they'll go with it. And 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.320 it doesn't mean it's gonna be perfect all the time. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.959 But I just think it's constantly involving because people are 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.639 different and personalities are different. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.040 What's your identity as a coach? 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.679 Yeah, I mean I think it's based off of the 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.000 players that I have. I think I think to be 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.879 a great coach, you have to have great players. You 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.760 have to have a group of players that allow you 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.520 to be yourself. And I think you have to create 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.399 a space where you allow your players to be yourself. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.280 And so I think that identity. You know, where I 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.879 think it is is, you know, being authentic to who 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.359 I am. You know, I'm not afraid to say, like 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.760 here's where I suck, here's where i'm you know pretty good, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:00.960 Here's where I need you guys to fill in for me, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.440 and here's how we could do it together. So I 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.840 think it's the space of like authenticity and then your mindset, right, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.680 I think everything comes down to your mindset, how you 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.000 approach things, how do you have a certain perspective on that? 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.520 And then you know, can you be great tactically, like 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.840 can you find ways to to you know, to be 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.639 great from a tactical standpoint, to outthink your opponents, and 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:20.880 to put yourself in position to win. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:22.800 Yeah. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.760 I suck with a lot of things, you know, I 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.199 mean we all do. Yeah. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.480 Is there anything that you pulled from growing up with 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.240 a dad as a head coach? Because my dad was 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.399 a coach, And there's shit I pulled on how I 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.320 would I've never coached, but you know, when you get 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.200 to become an older player in a locker room, there's 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.840 kind of that way to communicate with younger guys that 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.840 comes off as like a coach. Is there anything you 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:46.920 pulled from your pops? 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.040 I mean so much most of it's illegal now, but 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.199 there's still a lot of stuff that ye into it. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.800 I think he just wasn't afraid to be himself. He 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.800 wasn't afraid to be himself. He wasn't afraid to win 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.280 the moment however he thought necessary to win. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.280 To win that moment, you know, whether. 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.240 It was basketball, soccer, track like, he was always going 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:08.760 to do whatever it took to get the most out 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.159 of that guy in that moment. And that's something that 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.320 I could always get better at. I think that's you know, 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.199 you're always being challenged of like how could you be 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.960 better in this moment? And he was just relentless, Like 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.160 he was relentless in his mentality, like relentless in his mindset, 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.280 relentless and his approach towards the fundamentals on and off 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:25.880 the course. I think those are the two biggest things. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.320 Now, you grew up in Providence, you grew up a 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:30.400 massive Celtics fan. 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.800 Yeah, I was a Red Sox fan before Celtic. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.840 So let's hear your sports hierarchy of what your fandom was. 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.400 Well, so my uncle Mike, credit to him. He got 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.800 me into like the history and a study of sports. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:47.040 So he was a huge forty nine Ers fan, huge Mike, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.440 and he collected all these he collected. He just collected 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.160 memorabilia and stuff. And so it started with like these pencils. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:54.720 I don't know if you remember these old pencils of 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.120 like all the different NFL teams. So we had one 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.280 of every team, but I wasn't allowed to use the 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:00.000 forty nine Ers one. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.760 And then uh, that was his. That was his team. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.480 And then the Patriots were coming to UH training camp 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.199 at Bryant College, so my dad went, yeah, and so 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.560 he would take me to Bryant College for training camp 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.800 all the time, and so I got these pictures with 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:16.560 like a young Adam Vnit Terry. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:17.560 Uh. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.480 Because you had to walk that dirt road, you know, 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.040 from the dorms and anything. So we would stand on 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.720 that dirt dirt road. Had had a ball signed by 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.280 Vinitarry had a ball signed by that whole team. I 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.320 don't remember that. So it started with like the Patriots 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:28.920 in that, so. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:30.840 You're your Patriots is number one. 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.000 It's not hierarchy as much of it's like this is 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.880 how it went okay time and then it went red 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.960 Sox because the All Star Game came to Fenway in 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.040 ninety nine and you. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.920 Went and I went, So we went, so that what 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.520 what's the what year is that? That's is? That's maguire. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.040 I really don't in the nineties. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.680 That was I think Ken Griffy had I really don't 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.480 remember much of it, but I think Griffy had a 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.640 huge game that All Star Game. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:54.440 So here's the story. 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.040 So we went up just for the festivities, like we 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.240 didn't have tickets to the game, and so we're standing 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.240 around Funway going through all this stuff and then we 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:02.959 get into a taxi to go somewhere and we end 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:04.480 up we're in a taxi with Ray Knight. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:06.600 Uh you know who scored. 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.000 I think he scored the winning run in the eight 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:09.400 series to beat the Red Sox. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.359 So we were in there randomly randomly, Hey, let me 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.119 get in taxi. Yeah, let's get one. Yeah you do. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.520 And then like some random person comes up to us 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.359 and was like, hey, I got one extra ticket to 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.120 the game, and that's you couldn't You couldn't do this now. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.959 So I'm eleven ten at the time, and We're an 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.800 hour ten minutes away from home and this stranger comes 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.000 up and offers us one ticket, and my uncle's like, 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:31.840 you gotta go. So he sends me into the All 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:32.320 Star Game. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:32.879 How old are you? 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:33.520 I'm ten? 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.760 Oh, my sololo solo. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.520 Yeah, sends me into the All Star Game. 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:39.119 That's a cool uncle. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.320 By myself, and he's like, hey, like, I'll meet you 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:42.720 right here. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.600 I think he called my dad and my dad drove down, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:45.840 which I don't know what the hell he was going 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.080 to do, like uh, And so I just sat in 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.160 the sat next to these two people in the stands 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.359 by myself watched the ninety nine All Star Game and 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.399 I had this book that in the back of the 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.680 book taught you how to throw all the pitches. And 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:00.919 that's why I would I would like I was in 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:02.280 the baseball for a little while, so I would like 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.560 work on that. And then then was the Celtics because 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.520 when they drafted uh, you know, Joe Forte was one 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.920 of my favorite players to watch North Carolina and then 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.240 so when they drafted Joe Forte, and I would go 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.760 to Red Our Back Camp, you know, and so for 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.000 like three four years every summer I would spend a 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:23.879 week at Red Hour Back Camp, staying the dorms at 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.080 Brandeis Read Coach Iback would talk to the team and so, 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.720 you know, I just fell in love with like fell 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.920 in love with right Our Back first, and then fell 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:33.399 in love with the Celtics, and so that's kind of 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.080 the trajectory. And then the Bruins I just like to 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.600 be and so they're just fourth by default. But like 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.080 that's kind of the timeline of like how uh, you know, 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.280 Boston sports kind of came into my life. 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.800 Wow, what about some of the spots, uh Boston sports heroes, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:48.240 did you like? 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.800 I mean, vine Terry was one then to start because 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.520 he signed he signed the ball, and then I was 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.879 watching the first Super Bowl at my grandmother's house and 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.720 he hit it was that Panthers was the first one. 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:01.359 Turf. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.320 Yeah, So he hit the game winner, I think on 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:03.680 that one. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.040 And that was also the year he hit the snow one. 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.000 Yes and the Raiders and so that and then the 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.040 Panthers one was another game winner that he had. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.200 Yeah, And so he's up there, you like clutch guys. 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:15.520 Yeah. 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.320 And then I had this plaque of Celtic players of 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.440 all the greats of the eighties and nineties, and for 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.600 whatever reason, I like Robert Parrish. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.840 I like the nickname the Chief. So like I just. 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.160 Liked the Chief. That the Chief, you know, I mean 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.720 that was just a cool nickname to have. So from 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.680 a childhood you remembers that. And then you know, you 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.199 got those years in college of when it was like 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.280 Pedro and Kurt Shilling and and like that whole. 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.000 Crew Bloody Saw Big Pot was just a huge just 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.200 motherfucking on broad teeth. 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:43.520 Yeah. 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.160 And then and then but like and then Garnett in 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:47.760 that era, you know, so like. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.520 Uh yeah, just you grew up in a great time, 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.840 grew in a great time, great time, and now I 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.639 get to Uh, it's it's it's like a full circle 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.720 because the great time that I grew up on as 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.800 a kid. For whoever long I'm here, I've been in 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:04.480 with this opportunity, ownership, responsibility to like do what was 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.679 done when I was a kid, you know. And so 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.320 that's where like happily Miserable comes into place of like 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:14.680 I think when you have responsibility, you have to take 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.560 on the other side of responsibility, which is like the 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.879 weight that that carries, like that's never going to go away. 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.119 And so like it's almost like I'm using everything from 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.840 my childhood to spure this opportunity that you know, we 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.959 have as an organization to like bring that back. It's 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.560 kind of cool, but it's it's also it's it's tough, 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:31.640 which is that's what you want. 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.320 It is tough, you know, and and you know you 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.520 have you feel like you have this responsibility because of 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.760 what you experience as a kid being part of this community. 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:46.439 Now you have relationships with other coaches. You talk with 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:47.960 Rabes at all, talk. 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.560 With uh, you know, coach Mayo was great, Rabes has 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:51.960 been great, just his perspective. 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.280 Uh, you know, Alex Core is awesome. 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.640 You know, he's been around, he's seen and I haven't 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.080 tapped into the Bruins or the Revolution like I need to. 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.000 But I think it's a fraternity that you have to have, 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:07.480 right because Coach Belichick's been great, like especially my first year, 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:08.080 he was great. 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:08.560 Right. 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.520 But I think it came, didn't You came to our facility. 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.040 I remember seeing it there, and he came to a 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.399 couple of games and then you know, we talked a 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.879 lot about just the perspective and how it goes about things. 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.080 But like, to me, it's just a fraternity that you 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:19.879 have because we're all going after the same thing and 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.480 we're all carrying, you know, the responsibility and the weight 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.439 of bringing what Boston, what the city deserves and what 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.080 and there. So yeah, I think I think it's a 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.080 huge connection to have that. 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.040 It's so crazy that like this is like the perfect 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:37.560 pro sport city. It is has everything everything, Like it's 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.960 not a college area. I mean, we have hell of 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.560 good colleges, but it ain't college sport area. It's it's 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:49.000 not fall spring, summer. It's football season, baseball season, basketball season, 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.480 hockey season season. That's the only way they live out here. 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.639 It's crazy. You know, I grew up in the Bay 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.920 Area and we had the Niners, we had the Giants. 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.120 The Sharks just came out, but it wasn't the same. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:00.800 They didn't have four You know, well. 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.800 People, I think I think here in Boston, there's no 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:07.119 distractions like it. You know, each sport is is like 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.600 a foundation of like a family. Like there's there's nothing. 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.200 I get goosebumps when I see people wearing Celtic gear 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.439 and they don't see me. I get goosebumps because it's like, 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.679 I know they're wearing that with like a sense of pride, 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.680 and there's a story behind why they're a Celtic fan. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.080 There's a story behind it, like it's almost passed down 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:28.040 from their dad or you know, their grandfather or like 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.520 you know, so like I that gives me like the 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:34.000 greatest thrill and in a sense of chills when I 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.960 see that, you know, yeah. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.679 Now what's now? What's young coach Missoula's favorite place on 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:39.400 Federal Hill? 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:40.399 Panavino? 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:41.359 Panavino. 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.720 I think I worked there for like two days. 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:45.119 What happened? 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.679 Not a big manual labor guy, and so I was like, 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:48.800 I'm not I'm not doing that. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:49.359 I can't do this. 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.600 I think you had to like if I remember, you 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.800 had to ask for like three Now I guess the 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:55.960 people that like, now I'm that guy because I always 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.840 want sparkling water instead of distill. But you had to 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.560 ask for like three different waters? 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.680 Did you want on still flat sparkling? 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.359 Yeah, and then like the utensils had to be like 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.360 three fingertips from the thing. And I was like, I'm 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:07.240 just gonna go to the gym. 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.439 Tight ship, baby, they run a tight shipped over in 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.160 the hill. Did you ever go to Olfornos Alfornos? 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.199 Maybe once when I was a kid, but like I 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:16.160 don't remember it as much. 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:18.680 Did you ever go to Sienna's? No, that was over 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.439 there on the hill. We used to go there. We 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.320 weren't allowed to go to Federal We weren't. We weren't 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.560 really allowed to go to Providence. Coach didn't want us there. 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.520 And there's a lot of great restaurants on one island. 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.120 Corserti's Pizza is obviously a big one. Yeah, Rosa MEAs 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:34.760 pizza in Johnson is phenomenal. I got what's called Rosie 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.119 you gotta find It's like the true Sicilian pizza, like 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.440 nice thick square slices. 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.960 What kind of sauce. It is a sweet sauce, not 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:42.600 too so wet. 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.040 It has like the it's got like pepperoni and the 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.280 pepper's on there and like built underneath the cheese. 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:48.560 We get that a lot with my grandmother. 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:50.240 Now, does your grandma make like a hell of a 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:51.520 like red sauce and ship? 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.440 Have you seen known as on Netflix? 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:55.000 Great? 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.560 Yeah, great movie, It's fun, right, yeah, but I was, 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.440 I couldn't remember if my grandma they're called her sauce, 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.000 sauce or gravy, gravy, but she made a hell of 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.520 a you know, a sauce or gravy. 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:07.160 You know. 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:12.000 I always want to experience that Italian East Coast mom 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.560 that was us that. 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.400 Every what Sunday, I mean every night, so every night 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.080 because they she lived in the same house by dad, 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.360 there was I think there was nine brothers and sisters combined, 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:23.560 but you never knew who was coming over. So she 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.840 would make dinner every night, and it was it was 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.080 just an open door. So like whoever came in came, 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.320 you know, if you got there late, you didn't eat 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:32.680 you and so but on Sundays we would have like 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.320 a you know, a big, a big ordeal, like all 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.680 my aunts would cook, my grandmother would cook. It was 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.440 I mean, it was just like just like the movie. 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:41.880 It was cool. 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.320 It was cool to kind of relive that I watched 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:44.280 that other night with my wife. 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.600 No, we got bread for every everything. Right, bread has 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.680 to be bread. I've learned that in the Italian house, 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.080 you gotta have a piece of bread in the hand 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.640 at all time for the sauce, the fucking noodles. 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:55.840 That you can't You got to dip the bread in 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.239 the sauce. You can't let the sauce go to wait. 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.320 I don't eat as I don't eat as much bread anymore. 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:00.360 Can't coach I know. 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.200 I mean I'm getting old and uh. 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.320 Not getting old. But I I've heard the interviews. You 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.480 got to stay in shape so you you can understand 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.440 the the perspective that the players are in. 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:08.600 Right. 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.280 I think that's important. I think that's a way to 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.600 be empathetic for what those guys have to go tell. Yeah, 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.520 but I lost touch. I don't do the coffee uh 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:17.960 after dinner. I can't do that. I'll never know to sleep, 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:18.680 I can't. 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:23.520 No, I'm sensitive that stuff too. What do was like 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:28.840 the t is that the alcohol just d just E 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.400 is a dj D. What else is Zambuca? And then 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.280 there's another one. There's a Lemon Lemonello. But there's there's 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.840 a tomorrow that's phenomenal. Like the tomorrows are great. I 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:39.680 used to drink those a little bit. They always say 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.320 it makes your stomach feel better. I felt like it 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.520 made me drunker. I think both can be true. Effect 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:51.040 we'll be right back after this quick break. Coach, you 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.840 played at West Virginia. Yeah, went to a final four. 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.280 Explain this, like, how was that experience? You got to 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.080 play in a fucking four? That's insane? 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.000 Yeah, I mean I think, uh, it was such a 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.960 it went by so fast. It does, went by so 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.800 fast that the week leading up to it went by 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.760 really fast. 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:11.120 You know. 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.280 First, like college, I had two great coaches and I 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.440 started out with coach Bline. It was great, and then 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:18.760 I you know, and then I started and then I 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.800 went to coach Huggins. It was phenomenal. And then we 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.080 just had great teammates, like and now you we went 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:24.720 to the final four. It kind of all came together. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.200 But that was when I realized that, like man, winning 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.239 is not as fun as people think it is. Like 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.840 it's it wasn't an easy year like we were in 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.400 the I think we were in top top ten. 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:34.960 Most of the year. 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.360 I think we finished thirty one and nine or something 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.440 like that, but one and seven, but it never felt 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:40.720 like that. 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:42.560 It felt like we were five hundred the whole year. 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.600 And that was that that prepared me for kind of 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.000 where we're at now and the healthy approach to like 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.320 nothing is ever going to be good enough when you 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.520 have a responsibility to greatness and so like I just 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.800 remember like practices being miserable, Like it was like, man, 0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.440 this this responsibility to winning goes beyond the always of 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.040 winning and you have to fight for their perspective, but 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.800 you also have to take on That was the biggest 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.719 thing I learned. Like we lost the game of New 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.920 Year's Eve to Purdue and we got smacked, and you 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.240 would have thought the season was over, and yet I 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.800 think we were like still top ten, and so it 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.520 was a great balance of learning you know what comes 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.880 with success and how you have to handle that throughout 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.640 the season. And you know, we had we had great 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.720 guys that were able to just bring us there. 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:33.760 Now who would bring that mindset of mediocrity even though 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.880 you guys were above you. Guys were fucking thirty one 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.680 and seven? Was that Bob Huggins? 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:38.920 Oh are? 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.040 Yeah? How was it playing for him? He's alleged he. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:46.320 Is a legend, very misunderstood guy, but he was the best, 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.160 and he was very He reminded me of my father, 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.720 but he was the best. 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.240 To play for. How how did he remind your father? 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:58.920 Just no nonsense, had a nate ability to the fuck you 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.480 and I love you became synonymous and you couldn't tell 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.840 which one was which. Yeah, that's the best way to 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.400 describe it. Like sometimes when it was fuck you, I 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.040 was hearing I love you, and sometimes when I was 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.520 hearing I love you, I was hearing fuck you. 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.600 Does that make sense? It does. It's bad that I 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:14.760 know and understand that. 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.160 And so like so like my dad, like coach Hugs 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:19.680 were like the same there where it was like I 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.440 just couldn't tell what it was that day, but you 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.040 knew it was to get the best out of you. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:26.920 It was the only thing he cared about, was like 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.120 getting the best out of you, and he'll go to 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.200 any measure possible to get the best out of you. 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:37.720 There was no restrictions towards that. But The best thing 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.240 he did was when the game or the practice was over. 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.040 He never brought that energy and never brought that energy 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.160 from what he was doing on the sideline to what 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.280 you were doing off the court. I mean then, I 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:49.720 think that's a huge balance for a coach. 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.920 Yeah, that's I mean, people don't what goes on in 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.480 a game is different than that. I think that's what 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.480 the good coaches and players relationships. 0:33:58.800 --> 0:33:58.880 Like. 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.800 I remember there's a few times, you know with my 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.040 chat chatty o'sha, my receiver, coach, we're fucking each other up, 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.160 you know, on the sideline after the game we get 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:08.560 to win, all right, Ye, all right man, you know 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.400 that's just how it goes in battle. 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:11.279 Yeah, that's it. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.839 But I think you got to be able to take 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:13.719 the cap off though. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.200 You have to be able to and I think that's 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:16.840 that's the biggest thing I learned from him, was he 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.719 was able to take the cap off more times than 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.400 that of like, you know, how I hold you accountable 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.480 on them. It's because I love you. But then this 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.399 love kind of looks different when you're off the floor. 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.480 And he was amazing at that. Yeah, amazing. 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.600 Now I heard this story about what is it the 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:38.000 Ultimate fucking the Ultimate Alpha challenge with your dad. Yeah, 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.040 well it struck me because where'd you hear that? I 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.000 heard it. I think barstool maybe, Oh yeah. And it 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.080 struck me because you guys went to a baseball field 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:46.879 and you had to get out. 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:48.359 Yeah, I went. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:52.000 I had a similar situation. It was just I was 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:55.360 doing batting practice with my dad and I was dipping 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.440 my shoulder. I think I was thirteen, and I finally 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.960 at that age, was like trying to bow up and 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.040 he was brushing me off the plate. 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:04.520 Yeah. 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.279 Right, and this is before a game. This is at 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.160 like four three. You get a little VP before a game. 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.439 Then we go to the game and fucking I got 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.279 sick of it. He threw at me. I threw the 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.920 bat down and I charged amount of my daddy one 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.440 tude me put me on the ground. I ended up 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.720 going to the game with the bloody, bloody jersey. 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:23.040 Yeah. 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:24.759 People were asking me. You know, I was like, but 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.799 that didn't practice when didn't go? Well, now, actually, now 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.120 look at you, but like, is that the pulling the 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:30.719 best out of you? 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.840 So I would so if I think I remember this 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.279 story correctly, I I our soccer game got canceled. It 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.040 was raining, and he was probably pissed that he had 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.879 to come all the way out to Walwick to pick 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.680 me up and h he was given my friend a 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.759 ride home. Uh you know Mark good friend of mine. 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.520 You know, he was on the soccer team, and uh, 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.480 you know he was so he had to be pissed 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:52.800 because it was a tough place to get you it 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:53.520 was right now the airport. 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.239 Yeah yeah. 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.239 And so on the way to dropping Mark off at 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.520 his house, I'm being you know, he's mad. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:01.640 I'm being even more mad. 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.680 I'm showing off in front of you know, my friend here, 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:05.799 and you know, he was just like, okay, I'm going 0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:06.320 to take care of you. 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.719 After we dropped this kid off. And so, you know, 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:10.600 I mean, the kid's house is on the right. 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.160 You come out, you take a right, you go down 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:13.759 the main road, you take a left, and then off 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.440 the main road, there's this baseball field and it's raining, 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:18.200 and he's just like he's had enough. You know, I'm 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:21.320 just being a fucking dick, and he's just like, winner 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.759 take all. And we go into this we go, we 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.360 go into the batting we go into the batting cage 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.799 of the field and he's just like give me your 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.279 best shot, like you know, and like you I think 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.160 I have a chance. Yeah, I really thought I had 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.799 a chance. But at first I was like, Okay, how 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.400 am I going to go out there? So I like, 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.200 because of the rain, I picked up some dirt and 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:41.800 tried to throw it in his face and at the 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:43.160 same time kick him in the nuts. 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.520 Yeah, oldest trigger try it. 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.560 Yeah, But the thing is, they bught us the trick. 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:51.120 They taught us. 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.160 The trick catches my heel leg, sweeps me, mounts me, 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.080 and just starts fucking just wailing on it. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:57.120 Yeah. 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.400 By that time, we're late to Grandma's dinner and I'll 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.759 never forget. He just looked at me and he goes, 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.279 you don't fucking say a word, like nothing happened. And 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.640 so I walk into my grandmother's house. Was just like 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:13.799 a wet beaten dog. I just I just eat my 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.040 meal as if like it. You know, I was just dead. 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.320 It humbled, But he did it did. I didn't go 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.640 back to my dad ever again after. 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.280 I never tried that, never tried that again, never. 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.360 Tried it again. You felt the strength they never felt before. 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.560 But I felt it was important to try it. 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.239 You had you got to test the limits. Who are 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.960 you if you don't try it? Hey, he had me 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.239 down trying to get him his ship. I remember, he's 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:44.520 like he done yet. Oh I heard that story. I cried. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.920 I was like, God, there's other crazy fucking people out there. Yeah, 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:49.960 because I mean people used to drive by the fucking 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.160 field with me and my dad were having batting practice 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.600 and he'd be like, oh, man is wailing on his 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:55.040 kid again. 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:59.520 I knew that today's birthday. Actually he passed, but his birthday. 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.200 Birthday pop by, Happy birthday, l ip man. Man. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:04.920 He gave me so many I mean I remember, like 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:08.279 I used to I used to have to kneel on rice. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.359 But when I got in trouble that hurt, Like I 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.120 have to like sit in the corner like nelon Rice. 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:13.080 That's a Catholic shit. 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.400 But like he just he brought something out of you 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.960 that like to this day, like you it's necessary to 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.600 take on whatever it is we're taking on right now. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.359 So like that was just the beginning. Yeah, I mean 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.719 I remember we played. I sucked one game and this 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.960 dude just beat the hell out of me. I think 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:29.759 I filed out and he like went over to my coach. 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:31.360 I was like, I'll give him a ride home today. 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:32.239 Yeah. 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:33.800 I was like, now, I'm good, I'll take the bus, 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:36.600 get him ride. 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.759 Home, you know what. And my dad used to coach me, 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.040 and everyone would be like, oh, man, your dad's a coach. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:43.560 I was like, yeah, right, I got to go home 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:49.279 with her. No, what's your favorite memory about your dad? Though? 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.960 Man, my favorite memory about my dad was how he 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.920 coached my cousin. So, my cousin, she was one of 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:56.680 the you know, one of the best players in Rhode Island. 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:58.000 I used to go to all her games and all 0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:03.160 her practices, and he would make her cry every day. Yeah, 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.520 whether it was a game, whether it was a practice, 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.640 like it was his goal to make her cry. That's 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.279 my favorite memory. But she needed it, she needed it, 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.600 she loved it. But it was also like to watch 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:14.719 him he did. He wasn't just coaching me that way, 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.920 he coached everybody that way. And uh, you know, as 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.560 I got a little bit older, the relationship that Chelsea 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.240 and him had was kind of like I was seeing 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.080 what he was doing with me in real time because 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.120 she was old in me, and so I always appreciated 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:29.759 how he did that. 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.520 And I mean all the time. 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:33.960 Yeah. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.400 And then in eighth grade he coached my eighth grade 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.320 team at Saint Mary's and uh, let's just say he 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.640 had a couple run ins with you know, faculty on 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:44.439 coaching me a little bit too hard. 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.600 Yeah, yeah, and that that sounds about right. Yeah, that 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:49.400 was different generation. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.680 Did he transition into like becoming more like when I 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:52.160 got to college. 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.440 He wasn't like that, No, because he became a man. 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:54.879 He became. 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.239 Yeah, like when I got to college, he was the opposite, 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:58.720 Like he was just a supporting figure. 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.000 He was like a you know, you know, he did 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:01.800 the exact opposite. 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.319 It was like I did my time, you know, and 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:06.440 he let me kind of grow into who I who 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:07.400 I was at the time. 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.560 It's crazy, that's exactly how it was with me, because 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.000 once you surpassed their nol, not like their knowledge, but 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.600 once they like let you out, it was like, now 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:18.400 we're here to support. 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:19.719 Yeah, So they weren't like overbearing. 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:21.920 He's doing it for a clear perce. Yes, it would have. 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.319 I would have not have appreciated it if he kept 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.440 it going in college. He wasn't making it about him, No, 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.120 He's making it about me. And he was able to 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:28.600 release that. 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.600 Wow. Yeah, love that. Let's go into a segment where 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.919 you go back in the time when the game took 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.279 place and we go over pop culture. This game took 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:42.920 place October eighteenth, twenty twenty two. Number one movie Halloween Ends. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.440 Didn't see you see a coach, Nope, never heard of it. 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:46.719 It's that one of the Halloweens. 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:47.839 It's when Halloween ends. 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.360 Yeah, I'm not a big I don't like Halloween. Scary 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:55.040 movie with your coach, big Halloween. I never liked Halloween 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.440 until like, I have a little girl and she like 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:02.120 we're already talking about costumes. One song, Bad Habits Steve 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.880 Lacey never heard of that ever heard of NBA Champions 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:10.360 Denver Nuggets with Joker. Joel Embiid was the MVP. Chiefs 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:13.479 win the Super Bowl. Patrick was the MVP. First time 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.000 that was done. MVP wins the Super Bowl in a 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:21.560 long time. I Grove Astros win twenty twenty two World 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:28.720 Series against Philly. Rock Purty makes his NFL debut. What's 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.000 the best Boston movie of all time? Coach? I know 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.320 you love the town, but is that your favorite? 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.120 It's between the town and the depart I'd say. 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.040 Yeah, depends on what kind of relief you need. Do 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:39.839 you want to know what kind. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:40.160 Of mood you're in? 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:41.920 I mean, I grew up on the Departy, but the 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.160 town as I got older, And the reason why I 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.359 kind of resonate a little bit more with the town 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.239 than the part of it is is the identity and 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.680 the love factor. You know that like you're in this space, 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.359 like I feel like kind of you know this area 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.359 and kind of how I grew up of like and 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.560 even people in general, not necessarily to an area, but 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:06.000 it's like you're always you don't like the person you are, 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.879 but you do when you're trying to be something that 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.960 you want to be something more, but like you're who 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.680 you are is bringing you down, so to speak, you 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.040 know what I mean? And I feel like the town 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.560 portrays so much more than violence, where it shows an 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.680 identity crisis of like this area made me, but I'm 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.720 looking for more, you know, and you know the great 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:26.840 things about me are from this area, but also the 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:28.680 tough things about me are from this area. And how 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.800 do you evolve as a person, And you know, living 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.200 in a space of being falling in love with someone 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.440 but also robbing banks at the same time is like 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.239 there's nothing more of a duality or approach to that, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.160 and so it just has a little bit more of 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.040 a than the part of where like it's an action 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.400 and it's a great movie like this is like you know, 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.880 it shows more of like life of like you know, 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:49.960 you're trying to figure out your identity but you have 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.000 these things tugging with you at all times. But you 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:54.680 want to be a better person. And by the way, 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.080 I love you, but I'm also using you because you're 0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:58.840 getting interrogated by the FBI. 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.480 What's more, you know, Yeah, it's darker. Yeah, it's really 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.560 I'm attracted to you know, like the party is comic. 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.560 There's some comedy relief with you know, Jack and how 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.240 he does things. There's a little funniness to it. Yeah, 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.239 the other one town and there ain't nothing that's that 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:14.680 ship feels real. It's just dark. 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.200 I agree with you, And I'm not saying it as 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:21.000 like a staying like I'm attracted to the dark side 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.160 of greatness or the dark side of like the tugs 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.400 of identity and love and lead shadows. 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.200 You're part of the Batman people. I mean trilogy is 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.520 by far the best trilogy that is by far by far. Yeah, 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:37.239 I mean the Dark Knight is dark. You know what. 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.160 You know what I loved. I loved Batman Begins because 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.480 I was a huge Batman kid when I was a kid, 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.160 and to see the origin of where it all came from, 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.160 Like I was like, oh my god, that's how they 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.839 got the Batcave Holy Ship. Yeah, oh man, that's where 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.520 he got his fucking moves. He went to i know, 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.520 or Japan wherever he went. Like that was like, and 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.680 then the Dark Knight was crazy, and then Bane came. 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.719 And I think the Batman begins third. I think it's 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.799 Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises, then Batman begain. 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.000 I think I'll go Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Dark Knight Rises. 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:09.960 It got a little long at the last one. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:11.040 Yeah. 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.640 But the space I love is like villains, you know, 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.120 like the movies and like these are like the themes 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.239 that I always think about of, like there really isn't 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.080 much difference between the hero and the villain, right, And 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:24.879 I think that's the space of why the villain gets 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.200 so frustrated is like the self righteousness of the hero 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.080 thinking he's better than someone else because he's quote unquote 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.239 trying to do the right thing, you know, and so 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.360 they're more similar than than you think. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.200 Are you a Star Wars fan? I'm not because I 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.560 have that same argument with you know, the dark side 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:46.919 and having the force, you know, I think when you're 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.560 what are they called sith a sith? When you're a Sith, 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.080 all they are people that have the force, that make 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:58.640 decision through emotion. Yeah, when you're a Jedi, you're making 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.400 decision emotionally, so it's more peaceful. But why are we 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.959 getting mad at a person that's making emotional decision because 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:06.520 we all do that. 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.680 Yeah, I know the spaces, but the gap between a 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.320 hero and a villain is much it's it's very similar 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.000 to like the gap between winning and losing and greatness 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.640 to you know, be good to great. Like that gap 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.839 is so much closer than people think, and it's very 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.160 small fundamental details that separate you. 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:24.200 Uh. 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.919 And that's the space that I like to like dive 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.319 into a lot. What is it the saying you live 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.160 long enough of the hero, you die the villain or. 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.960 Something dark knight, the dire hero live long enough to 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.719 be the villain? I mean, that's that's true as you 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.359 can get it is. Now, who's your villain? Who's who's 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:39.840 the villain? 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.319 Joker? You're the Joker? Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's like, 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:44.879 that's my guy, like the. 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:48.200 Heath Ledger version. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard the 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.319 first time. I mean, so I have this, I mean 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:51.799 I got this. 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.000 So why you're so serious form? 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:54.640 Wow? 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.120 Because of like that perfect balance of like you know, 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:00.920 you know, it's a great question. 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:01.919 Yeah. Yeah. 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.480 Now what he goes into like telling the story as 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:06.719 to like how he got to that. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.839 Point, you know, but it's like, you know. 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.200 It's amazing how he Like if you look at the 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:16.600 Batman and the Joker, it's like the Joker had no rules, 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.640 but he really just wanted honesty, you know, but he 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.200 just went to the wrong depths to try and get 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:27.080 that honesty. Meanwhile, Batman was like, you know, I'm doing 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.560 I'm doing this for all the right reasons, when in reality, 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.360 like was he and you know, they're not much different. 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.759 They're not you need to do a movie podcast, that's 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.360 what you should do on your spare time. I was 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.160 gonna ask you what do you do on your spare time? 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.160 But probably gona get better at my job first. That's 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.239 the start there there, that's the coach right there. What 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.640 are we watching anything? Like? When we have any downtime 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:47.200 right now. 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.239 I try to watch so during the playoffs, I was 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:50.640 watching the bin Laden documentary. 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:51.799 I watched that too, man. 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.600 I mean they should so you know they have like, no, 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.680 they have what's that thing called? Were you like? Escape rooms? 0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:58.560 Yeah? They should have. 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.600 We should start a business where you have like situation 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.040 rooms and like you can sign up and go in 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.520 and like reenact different things. You know, like hey, what 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.080 are you doing tonight? We're gonna grab dinner and then 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.160 we're gonna go reenact and been lot and raid, you. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:13.600 Know what I mean. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.200 Like like I think the escape room is just the beginning. 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.640 It's like, hey, what are you doing tonight? We're gonna 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:19.799 simulate these. 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.879 You go down to like the West Coast, you can 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:23.759 go deal with those like they teach you how to 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:25.680 like the John Wick guy that teaches you gun. 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.399 Like I'm talking like down here on like the main road. 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:29.920 You know, I'm not saying like you gotta go out. 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.000 I'm saying like you can find an escape room anywhere, 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.640 like at a billiard spot. Yeah, like tonight we're going 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:40.840 to reenact for no. Maybe we talk about morality, but tonight, 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.399 we're going to reenact like negotiation tactics, like hey, you're 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.480 gonna get you know, after dinner, you're gonna be kidnapped, 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:47.440 and I gotta I. 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.040 Gotta use my negotiation tactics to like get you. 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.239 Back, like more strategy than yeah, yeah, you know what 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:54.800 I mean. 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:56.600 I just want some situations. 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.919 Like so I whatever I watch, I try to tie 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:02.279 into like how you can you know? Another great one 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.560 is so we should think more about that business. 0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:10.279 I'm into it. I like that boardroom screen someone comes in. 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.040 My favorite movies is the Game? 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:15.279 Is that Michael Douglas. 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.200 Yeah, where he hires the people to put himself in 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.520 that situation because he wants excitement. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.440 Yeah, yeah, huh, I'm just playing in this night. 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.239 I like this fun Friday night. 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:27.800 I mean escape rooms are just the beginning. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:29.000 Oh yeah, that's child's blake. 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.160 Come on, I mean, I mean that's over. I mean that's. 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.040 Boring, trying to go PF Chang's maybe a little water 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:34.840 boarding afterwards. 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.439 So Ballas I told me a story about he brought 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.000 in a guy. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.080 if we're supposed to talk about this. 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.360 Yeah, we we tried it. There was a there was 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.160 a select few, but send someone tr Yeah, there's a 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.359 few of US enhance interrogation techniques. I can't I don't 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:52.839 want to put it on the name on blast, but 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.200 like we used to have a bunch of Navy seals 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.480 that would come and train with US teachers hand combat, 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.440 the line of scrimmage ship. Yeah, and a couple of 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:02.400 bold guys are like, hey man, we want to try this, 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:06.120 we want to get water boarded. Yeah, and it's pretty weird. 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:07.880 Yeah, did you know? 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:09.080 I didn't. 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:10.000 I'm surprised by that. 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:14.319 Well, I was out. It was a linebacker group that 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.279 hung out with them the most. Uh okay, But I 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.200 wasn't scared of it. They just they were doing it. 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:21.799 Sounds like you were a little scared of it to me, 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.360 Not really. I honestly don't see how it would be 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.120 that weird. If you just put a what do you 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.080 put a fucking tall over your face? You pour water 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.680 on and now they're not gonna kill me. I'm not scared. 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:32.920 But do you know that they're not gonna kill it? 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:33.640 I mean, I guess you do. 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.279 Yeah, I mean they're pros, you know what I mean? 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:41.520 To of Obayose guys, have done that million opened up wrs. 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.320 I'm sorry, Jesus, I wasn't thinking water blass. Sorry I 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:48.120 took it to another I'm sorry. You gotta try. You 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:49.000 gotta drown yourself. 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.240 The kidnapped the president's daughter. And now you gotta like your. 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.040 Kids, Like now you're teaching your kids, like you know 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.200 now you have like your life and your kids. You 0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:57.880 have a different level of trust of like hey, like 0:49:57.960 --> 0:49:59.680 you know my oldest Hey, I'm gonna go in first, 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:01.440 you get my back, You check the corner like you 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.759 work on those things. Like I think there's a great 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.000 not only team, but like those are just great, you know, 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.879 dynamic building things out. 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:09.960 There be a distraction. 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.240 I'm gonna go this way, you go that way, Lily 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:15.760 all right. 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:19.040 Hey starting young baby, starting like it. I also, I'm 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.799 really because of how deep you are. What's on your 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.799 pregame playlist? Because is it? Are you? Are you? Like? 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.560 Because I'm an instrumental guy. So you listen to music 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.239 every game. And I don't sit in my own office. 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.120 I sit in the assistance room. We all hang out 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.279 together and like you know, just we kind of meet 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.359 all the time. And so Matt Reynolds, your your boys, 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.480 great guy, great coach. He takes turns. Each guy gets 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.920 to pick their own playlist, and so it just rotates 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:47.400 throughout the entire season. 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:48.720 Rotating the ox what's on yours? 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:52.799 Well, when we went down, Uh it got pretty it 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.959 got pretty dark. There's ah we had, you know, Gray 0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.680 to die, Biggie, ain't no sunshine. D m X filled 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:05.680 in the air Phil Collins and d m x's uh 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:12.600 redo of that, Somebody's got to die tonight. Pearls by Saday, 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:13.560 you know. 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.399 You gotta smooth it out like that's still a little 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.319 you know, Pearls is a little dark though you know 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.160 it's it's it's it's in there. 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.279 Got some worship songs on there, just to kind of 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.160 bring you back so that you don't you know, you 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.240 got to keep the balance a little bit. Every song 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.880 I listened to, I asked, can I come out to 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:31.480 this for a UFC Championship fight. 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:33.440 That's a good test that. 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.520 You know that that's to know if it's a good 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:37.000 song or not. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.520 I like so I would always go with like Hans 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:45.440 Zimmer movie music, so like inceptions, fucking man, you know, 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:50.480 like that Interstellar, like those those playlist or those soundtracks 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.280 because I didn't want words. I wanted to think my words. 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.239 So I like, I like that. I like also I 0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.959 wanted to I wanted to like I wanted to walk 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.840 through my play sheet, and I wanted to see the 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.759 coverage to that music. Like you're watching a movie where 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:07.640 you see a scene and the music can bring a 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.759 fucking scene to a whole other level if it's right. 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.879 Yeah. No, what are those called montages? Maybe? 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:13.200 Yeah? Maybe those Yeah, But. 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:15.960 I like a song where I can match the montage. 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.600 And so like Naughty by Nature is hip hop, Array 0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:21.239 is in the Last Dance, and so I'll listen to 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:25.399 the song and replay that that segment of the Last Dance. Yea, 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.040 you know there's there's another one of there's a KRS 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.319 one song that is really cool that's in the last Dance. 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.680 I'll listen to that KRS one song. So like, I 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:35.759 like that, I might take that. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:37.160 I'll send you a couple. 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.320 Yeah, the best one is from The Dark Knight Rises, 0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:42.759 when he's in that cave and they're chanting and he's gotta, 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:43.239 he's gotta. 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:45.520 You know, we'll think, get out of the cave. 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.160 If I'm trying to be real crazy, what I'll do 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.920 is I'll get up on my skateboard, I'll throw on 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.520 the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack at night and you go 0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.000 fucking cruising. You feel like you're Batman. I swear. 0:52:59.480 --> 0:52:59.759 Done this. 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.960 I'm million times. Is that when you got hit by 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:06.399 that guy I was longboard. It's some dude to hit 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:09.319 me when I was playing, well, I fell into him. 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:10.960 I look at him. He looked at me. He goes, 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:11.600 are you all right? 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:13.239 Yeah, man, I'm good. 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:15.799 He's going the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack. Yeah, or if 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:17.080 I'm on a dirt bike or something. 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:19.080 Moonlight Sonata is a good one. 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:19.319 Yeah. 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.200 It kind of just takes you and I'll that's on 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.160 the playlist. Moonlight Sonata the song from the Dark Knight Rises. 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:25.040 I forget the name of it. 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.160 I think it's just Dark Knight Rise Hans Zimmer because 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:29.520 it goes by the scene. 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:33.640 Okay, yeah, you gotta check it out. I like Moonnight Sonata. 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:34.040 That's a good one. 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.319 I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, let's Jackie. Let's jump 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.239 into this match up. Should we get into these sixers? Real? 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:40.360 Get into these sixers? 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.840 Fifty four and twenty eight finished third in the East. 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:44.799 This was the final year of the Doc Rivers era 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:49.560 in Philly. This was, of course, Joel Embiid's MVP season 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.719 notably led the NBA in free throw percentage eighty three 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.640 and a half and three point percentage thirty eight point seven. 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:58.640 Re signed James Harden after trading from the year before 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.719 h Mac mclung dunk contest winner two way guy. We 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.440 all remember that one though, and yeah, finished third in 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:05.800 the East. 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:11.280 Coach, how do you describe the Celtics seventy six ers rivalry? 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.400 I mean, these are two some of the oldest cities 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:17.359 in this beautiful country that we live in. The Bell 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.960 being cracked over there, John Hancock being buried here. I mean, 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.879 we could go into the history. What does this rivalry mean? 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.520 I learned more about that watching Celtic City, you know, 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:31.000 because I think the you know, watching that dynamic there. Yeah, 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.880 so I think that runs deeper than maybe I understood, 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.640 you know that that particular one. 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:37.760 Yeah. 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:41.759 Yeah, Now let's do some dude talk. What makes Joe 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.280 Embiid so so good? 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.400 I mean, you know the thing I appreciate about him 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.640 that I'm pretty sure he was a soccer goalie, So 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.320 I think his foot that is correct. Yeah, his footwork, 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.840 his hand eye coordination, and him and a goal his timing, 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:57.000 his timing and his angles like that. Studying some of 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.600 those guys brought me back to like the building connections 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.720 on different sports, right like Tim Duncan being a swimmer. 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.680 I think Akima Lajuwon was a goalie, and so like, 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.440 what can teach you from one sport you can transition 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:09.640 into making you and that kind of like that was 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:12.239 one of the only advantages I had when I went 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:13.640 to college was I wasn't great. 0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:14.759 Uh, I wasn't. 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.160 I didn't have a lot of talent, but because of 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:18.560 my soccer background, I was conditioned really well and that's 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:22.200 that helped me defensively take on angles and footwork and 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.360 changing directions and so always fascinated by his how seeing 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.920 what a goalie does and how he translates that. Yokic 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:31.760 is like that with water polo. If you watch water polo, 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:33.960 you're essentially watching Yokic post exactly. 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:34.960 That's how he plays. 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:40.000 Yeah he plays he yeah, like he would he You 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:42.120 can tell how he palms the ball, how he won 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.000 touch passes it when it's mid air, how he how 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.799 he almost embraces people draping on him, because like you're 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:50.880 you're having to do both of those things, and like 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:53.520 watching him is like watching a water polo there, So 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:54.280 I've never. 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.080 Put that together. That's that's the first time I ever 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:56.879 heard that. Yeah. 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:58.800 So like when I watch Yokic, I see water polo. 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.960 When I watch Embiid, I see how you know, his 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.000 soccer background gave him the footwork, the angles, the handoue, 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.279 coronation of timing to be so effective at such a 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:08.319 for such a big guy. 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:13.120 Yeah, what about James Harden His he watching. 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.160 Him plays like listening to like Moonlight Sonata, like never 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:19.239 get sped up, plays at his own pace always, yeah, 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.240 always smooth, smooth. 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.640 Knows how to knows how to make a basket when 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.560 he needs, knows how to just get to us, you know, 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.160 just do those those rule books too. 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.000 Yeah, yeah, you know, I like that does what he does? 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:31.279 You know? 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.600 All right, let's let's let's jump into the Celtics. Jackie 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:38.680 break into the Celtics. He's twenty twenty two Celtics. 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:41.200 Fifty seven and twenty five went into the All Star 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.400 Break with the best record in the NBA at forty 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:44.480 two and seventeen. 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:46.640 Uh coming off of Finals loss. 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.719 The year before, the Golden State added some new key 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:54.839 pieces Malcolm Brogden, Gallinari, Blake Griffin. This was the first 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.400 full season with Derek White after bringing him in the 0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:01.800 year before, resigned Luke and Sam in the offseason and. 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:03.359 Prior to this year. 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:05.920 This will be a little foreshadowing for the game lost 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:09.200 the legend Bill Russell in July, which was a huge 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:13.319 loss for the Celtics in the basketball world as a whole. 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.400 And of course you got the Jays Jalen Jason from 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:18.880 the year before. So we're yelling coming into this year 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:22.240 and we got Smart still there, and we got a 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.320 new head coach, and we got a new head coach 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.200 our main man, what was. 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:31.400 It like being called to be the nineteenth coach for 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.000 the Historics Boston Celtics. 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:36.880 I mean, that's kind of where my faith came into play. 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.080 It just felt like it was a true gift from God. Really, 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:40.680 Like it was like, I don't belong here, you know, 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:42.200 you go through a little bit of like how the 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.080 hell did I get here? Slash I don't belong here, 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.280 but I also I was put here, you know, by God, 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.840 and so like that's really the only way to describe it. 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.560 Can you describe to people, our viewers that are from 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.800 different cities, how the Celtics are different than any other 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.000 NBA Yeah, franchise. 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:01.680 I think it's it's starts with the history, you know, 0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.400 it starts with the tradition, it starts with some of 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:07.800 the greatest players to have ever played the game, and 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.560 then it goes to the city. Like you know, there's 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.080 not much difference between how Hugs motivated us the year 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.720 we went to the Final four and what it's like 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.000 to be in Boston. I think the only way for 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.680 a team to maximize itself, not just in one year, 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.479 but in a series of years is like we took 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.680 on the identity of West Virginian people, the gritty, the 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.200 hard nose, the blue collar. Like he was very adamate 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.880 on like playing for something bigger than yourself, And it's 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:34.680 the same thing here. You know, you're playing for something 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.360 bigger than yourself. You're not playing for just yourself. You're 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:38.880 playing for the guy next year, but you're playing for 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:43.080 the city. You're playing for the competency of the fans 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:45.080 and the respect of the fans and the respect of 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.560 the organization. And you know that comes with a lot 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:51.400 of responsibility that comes with It's not easy, but it's 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.600 necessary and it's a compliment that you get. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.040 That responsibility to be able to do it. 0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:58.480 But you know, there's nothing better, and it's just different, 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.280 and I think it's it's a list of all those things. 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:07.160 Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:10.000 get into some of these roster guys. Who who on 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:14.120 this specific team twenty twenty two Boston Celtics, who is 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:17.560 the team asshole, Like the guy that not like an asshole, 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.280 but a team asshole our in our world is a 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:24.320 good guy that holds people accountable, may not do it 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:28.320 in the most proper way, but works his dick off. Yeah, 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.480 that kind of asshole, not like an asshole. 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.760 Yeah, I mean, let's not use that word because I 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.520 don't like who's a team enforcer. 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:37.720 Yeah, there's so there's like a few guys. 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:41.040 Everybody is in their own way, right like vocal, Like 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:43.120 Jason does it in one way, Jalen does it in 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.200 another way, al does it in another way. For this 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.720 season and for his time here, you know, you have 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.080 to give that to smart like his ability to do 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:54.040 that and an underlying one who was ended up being 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.360 one of the best people I ever coached was Blake Griffin. 0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:01.400 You know, he became like just an amazing guy. Uh 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:03.640 and his ability to lead in different ways, both in 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:05.960 action and in words, and so you know, they all 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.520 did it in their own way. But the verbal probably 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:10.440 you know, came from Smart, came from Blake, came from 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:13.000 jailing at times, came from al at times. Jt leads 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.240 by example like he's you know, his consistency, and but 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.440 he also leads, you know, behind the trenches, the way 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:22.120 he how he you know, treats other people and and uh, 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:23.760 you know, his coach ability. So they all do it 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:24.360 in their own way. 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.000 Now how did Blake do it differently? 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:31.200 I mean it was actually interesting because like I didn't again, 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:33.560 I was the interim and then we signed Blake, and 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.080 I'm like, shit, like how am I going to coach 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:35.400 this guy? 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.320 Like he was a former number one pick, Like it's Blake. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:41.880 Griffin and you know, his humility, Like he came in 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.800 and our relationship changed, and it you know, motivated me. 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:46.960 When he came to me, it was like, hey, how 1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:48.680 can I get better? And for a guy of his 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:51.640 stature and where he's been to have the foresight to 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:53.160 be like, hey, I want to get better, Like how 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:53.480 can I? 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:54.440 You know that was. 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:57.800 Huge, right, And and you know every time he talked 1:00:57.800 --> 1:00:59.760 and decisions that he made, we weren't about him there 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:01.040 about you know winning. 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:04.600 Yeah, now you talk about Jason Tatum and how he 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:09.840 treats people, that's probably a huge component of why he 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:13.400 is who he is. What else makes him great? 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:14.120 Yeah? 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.080 I mean I think you live in that space of 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.040 like greatness is viewed at as differently. 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:20.880 And I think another thing when you play. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.880 For the Celtics and you have a great team and 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:26.760 you have multiple guys, you have to take on everybody's 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:29.200 greatness and you have to allow space in order for 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.720 greatness to kind of be exemplified in different ways, right, 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.400 And you know, like Al does it in a certain way, 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:38.200 Jalen does it, and Jalen does it in his way 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:40.800 and his approach and his fierceness and his warrior mentality. 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:45.000 Jason does it in his consistency and you know, his 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:47.160 ability to just want to be coached all the time 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:49.280 and want to be held accountable, which they all do that, right, 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.040 but like you know, so I think that's how he 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.320 does it. And you know Al does it in his 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:57.800 you know, the second guy that I was like, man Like, 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.600 I think the hardest part about coaching that first year 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:05.360 was when we didn't win, and I was like, man, 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:08.200 I let Al down beyond all the other guys. Like, 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:12.400 when you coach a guy, you know who knows he's 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:14.160 got a few years for there was three, four or 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:16.960 five left, you take on the like as we were 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:18.760 talking about earlier, you take on the journey of each 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:22.200 of your guys, right, and you take on the good 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.920 and the tough stuff. And the hardest thing to do 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.400 was knowing after that season that we didn't give. 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:28.200 Al what he deserved. 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:31.440 Yeah, and that was that was something that we had 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:32.880 to carry into the next season. 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.160 He's just a consummate professional. When I was there, like, 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:39.120 that was the vet pro guy. Yeah, because when I 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:41.400 was there, it was I went there and I hung 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:45.560 out with you guys in like twenty twenty, like Jalen 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.560 and Jason they were still babies. Yeah, you know, Al 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:52.480 was the old guy, and he wasn't old yet. He's 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:54.400 kind of getting old, I mean, but he was the 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:57.480 guy that like was the example for how these guys 1:02:57.520 --> 1:03:01.360 need to be as a professional. How he came into work, 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:05.760 how is his preparation habits were, how he took care 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:09.160 of his body, how he practiced on the court. That's 1:03:09.200 --> 1:03:10.920 all the stuff that I just saw being a fly 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.560 on the wall that he that was his leadership. Yeah, 1:03:13.600 --> 1:03:16.040 didn't say much, but when he talked, everyone listens. 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:18.120 Yeah, And I think everyone does in their own way. 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:20.600 Like I think you know Jalen he does it with 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:23.720 his mindset and his warrior mentality. Jason does it kind 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.760 of the way out died it, you know, and you 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:29.280 need both of those. And I think from what you're 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:31.920 talking about when you were there to now, like you know, 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.640 you've transitioned into each guy does it in their own way, 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:37.080 and you need each guy's way to be able to 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:37.520 set the. 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:38.840 Tone and like the temperature of it. 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.680 And it's crazy in basketball because of the smaller rosters, 1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:46.600 they have such an impact on it. Your five guys 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:49.800 that your guys, they have an impact on everyone. Yeah, 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:53.560 So they all have to come together and do their 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:56.680 individual thing and do it in a different way because 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:58.080 it influences everyone else. 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:00.680 Yeah, and everyone else influences that and it's just kind 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:02.720 of like a melting pot of it is an influence 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:05.680 and I mean it's a chain it is. I think 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:07.560 that's the fun part about building a team and building 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.480 an atmosphere in an environment. 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:11.880 Is that fun part of how do you put all 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:12.360 that together? 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:12.880 Yeah? 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.400 You know, but the guys make it easy, you know, 1:04:15.440 --> 1:04:18.240 and I think you know, your best players make it easy. 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:18.400 You know. 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.480 Jason makes it easy, Jalin makes it easy, and then 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:21.040 it just goes on. 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:24.160 Down the list. Yeah, let's jump into the game, Jackie. 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:25.920 I was gonna say one of my favorite we're talking 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.400 building atmospheres here in building cultures. I think one of 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:31.560 my favorite moments, and I'm paraphrasing here, coach, was when 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:33.520 I think Xavier Tillman joined the team and they asked 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:35.360 him what you told him when he first walked in. 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.800 It was don't be a jerk. I love that. Did 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:39.320 I say that, I don't know that's what he said. 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:42.200 Then I said something like, don't be weird, don't like, 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:43.320 don't treat me like a coach. 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:43.680 Okay. 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:44.960 I like that, you know, in the sense of like 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:45.840 I always think back to that. 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:48.000 You know, we got we gotta break down the barriers, 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:49.800 like whatever it needs to be said, needs to be said, 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:52.120 like don't I think I was trying to say, like don't. 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:56.560 I think everybody does this, but you see this sometimes, Uh, don't. 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:00.000 Whatever it is your previous relationships with your coaches are, 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.640 don't bring in a preconceived notion of what that's going 1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:04.320 to be like for us, because I want to do 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:06.880 it completely different, you know, and not to say that 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:09.400 one is better than the other, but let's let's bring 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:11.320 an open mind to how we could build our relationship 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:13.400 and how we're gonna build a relationship as a team together. 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:16.440 You know, that may not be different. It could be 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:19.920 fabricated to what the other coach did, if that's the 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:20.560 best for the player. 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:21.200 Yeah, exactly. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:22.680 So like it was more like just coming with an 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:24.920 open mind and we're gonna we're gonna start from scratch. 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:25.880 We're just gonna do this together. 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:27.840 Sorry for botching neck quote, but I love that that point. 1:05:28.000 --> 1:05:29.960 He's a good guy. I like coaching him. 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:31.680 Shoul we get in this game. Let's get into all right. 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:33.680 So before this game, we we talked. 1:05:33.720 --> 1:05:36.320 Of course, the last time the Celtics had been on 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:39.520 the parquet was a loss to the Warriors and the finals. Uh, 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:41.959 but both teams were expected to contend for the East 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.160 here the Sixers and the Celtics. So hi, hope trust 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.840 the process, man, trust the process. This was kind of 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:48.560 that's what I've seen. 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:53.200 Yeah, marketing ploy keep going, sorry for cutting the marketing 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:56.800 ploy at that Philly they get me, I know. Unfortunately 1:05:56.840 --> 1:06:00.880 after you come at me on this right, all that bullshit, 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:03.840 get at it here with your tush push come on. Uh. 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:06.400 But a little bit turmoil going on in the Celtics 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:09.760 organization coming into this one, with injuries to Robert Williams 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.920 to start the season and Gallinari of course, tore up 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:14.680 his knee in the in the Euro Basket planning and 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:18.640 I think Georgia so coming in what a little banged up. 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.479 And then of course before this game, a really great 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:25.760 tribute to uh you tore it up in Worlds. Yeah, 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:29.280 euro basketball. That's that brings a point to me. 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:34.200 Yes, So, the NFL just passed that one player per 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:38.600 team could go play on the Olympic flag football team. 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:41.080 Really yeah, And I don't know if it's going through 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:44.160 or what, but is there some kind of edge that 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:46.320 you have when your guys go and play for the 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:48.840 country because they're not you know, they could get hurt 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.520 or is there like we kind of forget that because 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:52.240 it's America. 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:53.400 I think. 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:56.760 I think that's always a that's always a point of contention. 1:06:56.880 --> 1:06:58.320 But I think the good outweighs are bad. 1:06:58.520 --> 1:06:58.720 Yeah. 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.880 I think when you have guys want to take on 1:07:01.320 --> 1:07:05.200 the responsibility of their country and pray play for another 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:08.040 something bigger than themselves, I think the only right thing 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:09.920 to do is to, uh is to have them do that, 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:11.440 and you take a lot of pride in that. 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:14.400 Yeah, it's it's it'll be interesting in football though, because 1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:18.160 a it's a different fucking sport only sixteen games. 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:19.720 It doesn't really but it's not. 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:21.720 I mean, it's like it doesn't have the history of 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:25.640 what like the you know, no going to play euro 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:27.320 Basket or going to play like it doesn't have that. 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:27.680 No. 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:30.320 I mean it could one day, but it just doesn't yet. Yeah, 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:31.720 but you have a chance to win. I guess it's 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:34.360 cool because you know, I don't know, not every sport 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:35.040 has a chance to win. 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:36.520 To go to Metal Hall. This is our first time. 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:37.640 So I think I think. 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:39.800 That that's something that is something that you got to 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:40.160 go after. 1:07:40.240 --> 1:07:43.640 I'm to get the knees ready, coach, see if I 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:45.880 still got a couple of me, give one of these 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:51.919 little Spanish boys give you get to see what these 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.360 Portuguese dudes know about a real shake route. 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:58.720 They ain't never seen a return they turn out. Coach, 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:03.120 So this is your first game, right, well, how nervous 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:05.000 were you? Did you have nerves going into this? How 1:08:05.000 --> 1:08:07.200 did you handle the team? What was your first game? 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.880 Like first pregame speech? Did you have something that you 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:11.720 remember from that? 1:08:13.600 --> 1:08:16.960 I don't. I get anxious before every game. 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:21.400 Yeah, Like I'm just like, you know, sitting there, I 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:23.599 get more anxious, like I can't you know, so. 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.160 That that's never I hope that never goes away. 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:25.759 It won't. 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:27.600 I hope that stays. 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.960 I don't remember exactly I remember if like, just just 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:33.000 don't make this about your first game. Make this about 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:35.479 how we can win the game, you know, And that's 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:37.200 kind of what I was, like, don't make it about you. 1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:39.360 It's really not. It's about you know, we gotta gotta 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.680 win the game. It's the first one. But at the 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:43.960 same time, I think you go through of like, you know, 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:46.920 let's see what this is all about, you know. I 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:49.760 think it was like, Okay, what's the difference between being 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:51.040 an assistant being a head coach? 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:53.800 What makes Doc so good? What makes the players so good? 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:54.280 Like I was. 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:55.960 It was I was excited to. 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:58.960 See whether I was going to be good at it 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:00.519 or not right away, and what I was going to 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:02.760 learn from it and how quickly I can make that adjustment. 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:04.080 But at the same time, I was like, you got 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:04.559 to win this. 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:07.599 Game, got to and it couldn't be a more movie 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:11.400 type game where you're playing against the Philadelphia seventy six ers, 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:17.040 against your coaching, against Doc Rivers, who won a championship 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:20.280 in the city you're coaching for that you were probably 1:09:20.280 --> 1:09:22.240 a fan of when you were a kid, like that 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:24.720 had to bring some more anxiety, no, or do you 1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:25.559 not worry about them? You? 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:28.519 No, No, that's definitely true. Like I think, especially my first year, 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:29.840 and I think it will always be this way. The 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:31.960 people who I looked up to and studied are the 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.280 people that I'm in the arena against now, like and 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:37.160 I think, you know, every coach you have to be 1:09:37.240 --> 1:09:39.760 able to have a respect for but also steal what 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.680 they're great at and try and do it yourself. And 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:44.400 so especially that first year, it was like, as I 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:45.840 was going on the sideline, I was like, Okay, I 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:48.479 remember this about I remember an article about this coach. 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.479 You know, I remember a strength or a weakness about 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:53.679 this coach. I remember a situation of when this coach 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:56.840 did this, and so you take that on and you 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.840 try to use it and you try to use it 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:00.880 for yourself and you try to it against them at 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:03.400 some point, and so that's never going to go away either. 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.479 Yeah. Now, how was the energy that night in the 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:08.599 in the guard that wasn't That was insane? 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:09.799 Yeah? 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:12.800 That was insane. I mean you can't even simulate That's 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:13.880 like it's like taking a drug. 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:16.439 I've never done that, neither. 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:19.000 I need my doctor to prescribe me. Boston Garden game night, 1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:20.960 Come on now, me going, well, I don't need this 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:24.480 be twelve what little game night, Boston Garden atmosphere. 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:26.479 Bro. If you could like put that in a pill. 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:28.639 That is it's different. 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:31.120 So what was your first test as a head coach 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:33.960 in this game? Coach? You remember a specific time out, 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:35.760 a specific you know, your. 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:37.920 First test came we were losing, right. 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.280 Yes, we were really Uh started with a nine to 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.720 two run, seas were up. Then you got outscored twenty 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:44.360 seven to fifteen for the rest of the first quarter. 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:48.000 Yeah, al a test right of like you know again, 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:52.599 you can plan as an assistant. You know what your 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:54.560 philosophy is going to be, like, what your identity is 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:56.320 going to be like, but you don't know what type 1:10:56.360 --> 1:10:58.200 of job you're going to take over until you're in, 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:00.840 until you're in it. And so like, you know, I 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:03.120 had just gotten the interview for the Utah job, which 1:11:03.160 --> 1:11:05.519 is obviously wasn't a different place than what the Celtics 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:08.000 were in, and so like your mind is like, okay, 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:09.760 like I'm a young coach sitting on the back bench, 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:11.760 I'm probably going to take over a rebuild at some point, 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:13.840 like you know, And then you know a week later, 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:16.400 you're taking over a team that has championship expectations. Of 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:18.960 all those fucking notes you took on, like you know 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.559 that they really just don't matter. They may matter at 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:24.120 some point, but they don't right now. And so you're 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:27.040 still you're kind of using more of your instincts than 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:30.760 you are using your experiences because you don't have any experiences, 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:32.720 and so I just remember like, okay, like how am 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.519 I intentially going to handle this run that we're on 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:37.320 or this losing And then it was like it was 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:40.080 a close game and down the stretch, I remember you know, 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:43.320 we ran one play three or four times and got 1:11:43.360 --> 1:11:45.320 three or four different great looks out of that towards 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:46.760 the end of the game, which kind of gave us 1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:48.559 the win there. And so there was a lot to 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.559 unpack there in the game, you know, managing those runs, 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:53.920 managing your time out, communication, managing the end of game 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:56.240 about where the ball is going to, how you're going 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.280 to execute it, what are the matchups, so all those 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:00.920 things they came right in Game one. 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:02.559 Yeah, I remember the plays that we ran. 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.479 I mean, Grant was a huge part of executing some 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:06.920 of those off ball actions that we got a couple 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:09.479 open threes and a layup on. And it was a 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:11.040 fruition of some of the stuff that we know we 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:12.880 needed to get better at throughout the season, where our 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:15.000 off ball actions, and you know, Game one kind of 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:15.439 tested that. 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:21.240 Now do you remember that and what you just said, 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:24.320 those situations in this specific game because it was your 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:27.240 first your first game, or do you have like a 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:30.519 photographic memory where you remember like coaches usually did. I 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:30.840 don't know. 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:32.639 I don't want to give I don't want to give 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.759 myself the credit of saying I have a photographic memory, 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:38.320 but I remember I remember I can remember a lot, 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:38.840 a lot of stuff. 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:40.960 Yeah, I can remember pinpoint situations. 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:45.000 Yeah. Yeah, because it's crazy coaches they always yeah. 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:46.880 It's all we're watching. Yeah, you know, you end up 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:48.680 watching one game three or four times and then it 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.360 becomes embedded and then you use everything as a reference point. 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:53.240 And even more probably if you play that team again 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:54.280 and if you want to get back. 1:12:54.360 --> 1:12:56.479 So it ends up like, yeah, I got a good memory, 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:59.320 but at the same time, I'm constantly retrieving it, watching stuff, 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.719 watching the same stuff. So it's more about the retrieval 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:04.800 over and over again. And then you need this situation 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:08.000 to be able to uh uh, to fall back on 1:13:08.080 --> 1:13:09.439 for something else, you know what I mean. 1:13:09.680 --> 1:13:12.640 Do you guys break down? Do you guys have situational 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.280 basketball like we do in fair Thing? Yeah, I think 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.320 I said, And that's one of the things that Bill 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:21.160 was so big on, and he was one of the pioneers, 1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:24.160 which some people could say it was parcels, which it 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.160 probably was, but breaking down the game and situations, you 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:31.360 guys have like a two minute basketball, like playing more. 1:13:31.400 --> 1:13:33.320 End a quarter, start a quarter, end of the quarter, 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:36.080 the start of the quarter, end of a half, last 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:38.479 two or three minutes. You know, to me, that's where 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.439 the I mean similar to that's where the games are 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:42.000 won and lost. If you get to the point of 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:45.240 where it's a close game, it's a I mean the margins. 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:48.960 I mean it sounds redundant, and but it just that 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:50.760 that it's the end all be all. 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:52.799 Yeah, the end all be all, all the margins. 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:57.920 And they leave this they controlling the margins get will 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.320 dictate how much grace you're allowed to have throughout the game. 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.320 You know, and you know, if you get into a 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:05.960 situation of where it's a one point game, uh in 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:07.000 the fourth quarter. 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.120 It's it's it's it's almost one. 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:11.240 Hundred percent because of there was a margin won or 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.920 lost in a situation. And then the second piece is like, 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:15.720 how do you manage those runs? Every team's going to 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:18.559 go on a run. It's can you not have it 1:14:18.600 --> 1:14:21.080 twenty seven to fifteen? Can it be nineteen to fifteen 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:23.840 run or twenty one to fifteen run. I think those 1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:26.360 two things get lost in the shuffle of all the 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:29.200 stuff that you know gets talked about amongst games. 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:32.639 Of why you won or lost. They get paid too. Yeah, 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:36.400 this is National Basketball Association. Okay, they're fucking good. Yeah, 1:14:36.479 --> 1:14:38.439 there's gonna be some big ass plays. You got to 1:14:38.479 --> 1:14:40.679 be able to have a short memory, boys. Yeah, get 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:42.720 back into the new situation. Jack, can you walk us 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:43.800 through until halftime? 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:46.439 First quarter was was defined by that run that we 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:49.839 talked about, and Harden got found on three three pointers, 1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:54.080 which is incredible, like just insane that the Garden was 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:55.040 not loving it. 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:57.680 We weren't loving it. Eight for eight on free throws. 1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:00.680 He had sixteen in the first big for JB in 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:03.519 the second fourteen shots seventy one percent in the second quarter. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:05.960 The Celtics did as a team. No turnovers was a 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:08.760 big one in that one to Harden finished the first 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:10.920 half with four to three, so he and indeed were 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.479 heating up doing the pick and roll thing. They're both 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.000 getting going. Uh tied it up at the half after 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:17.599 a big second quarter. That takes us into the half. 1:15:17.760 --> 1:15:20.640 So halftime, what's what's the what's the locker room like? 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:24.080 Under the coach, I think you're as soon as that 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:27.920 horn goes off, even during the first half, you're I'm 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:30.759 constantly saying, Okay, what did we do well, what didn't 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:31.200 we do well? 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:31.920 What hurt us? 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:34.040 And you try to anticipate on what's going to happen 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:35.639 in the second and then when the horn goes off, 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:39.280 it's about a forty five second to a minute walk 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.760 to the back. You're you're kind of deciding about like 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.000 all right, like what does the team need. 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:45.880 Right now in this moment? And then you know, what 1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:46.880 are we going to focus on? 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:49.640 And so in that game, you're talking about the you know, 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:51.640 you follow a three point shooter three times and you 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:54.200 give them nine potential points out of that that you 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:55.680 have to take that away. And so I think you're 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:58.240 just constantly and but it changes, right, Sometimes you're in 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.760 there and you show film, you know. Sometimes you're in 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:04.280 there and like you don't show any film. Sometimes it's like, okay, 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:07.240 who does an individual player need something? Or does the 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:10.080 team need something? And so you're just constantly diagnosing what 1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:13.280 needs what at that moment, figuring out like, Okay, where 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:15.120 do we need to be better that we can control? 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:16.599 Where do we need to be better? Are the things 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:20.040 that you know we sucked at? And then you know, 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:22.000 try to get ready for the second half. 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:24.040 There, Now, how long is the halftime? 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:25.120 It's fifteen minutes. 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:26.360 By the time you get back to the locker room, 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:28.720 It's like thirteen thirty and then you got three and 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:30.800 a half minutes to look at the halftime minute to 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:32.000 see what you want to show, and you try to 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:33.240 show the half time innute at like ten. 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:37.160 So do you have cause like whenever our halftime it 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:40.080 was it was clockwork. We would come in for halftime, 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:43.120 it was thirteen minutes or twelve minutes. Coaches would have 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:46.559 two minutes together while we were undrained, like let our 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.200 emotions get down, and then we break up into O 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:52.559 and D. Offensive coach would have his four keys that 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:55.400 were going into defensive coach would have his four keys. 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:58.280 We'd have two minutes there. Then we'd have two minutes 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:00.280 as a team, and then special teams would have one 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:02.280 minute or what you like, it was broken down like 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.080 do you guys have a moment where like that or 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:05.679 it's different because you guys are so small. 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:08.120 Yeah, it's different. So I think you're in the back. 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:10.200 As far as roster size. 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:11.760 No, by the time we get to the team, it's 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:14.519 probably four clips offense, four clips defense, or if one 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:17.360 side of the ball is just so much more drastically 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:20.840 different impacting the game, you just focus on that. But 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:22.519 it's like that in the staff of like, you know, 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.800 the offense team will give their insight, the defense team 1:17:24.800 --> 1:17:27.719 will give their insight. Then the coach doing the halftime 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:30.519 minute kind of puts in, you know, order of what's 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.479 most important, and you're just so in that three and 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:34.080 a half minutes, you're kind of deciding, Okay, what's the 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:36.600 most important? Is is it a Are both important or 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:37.519 are we focusing on one? 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:40.000 Yeah, Jackie, let's go to the second half. 1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:42.680 In the second half, really turn up that defensive intensity 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:46.240 on Embeid, almost like doubling on the catch. The coverage 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:48.920 was awesome. Smart was in there making it hard for him, 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:51.280 not getting to his spots. And then, as we talked 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:54.960 about a little bit earlier, creating fast break opportunities five 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:58.080 for five on turnovers in the third Celtics were off 1:17:58.080 --> 1:17:58.839 sixers turnovers. 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:00.320 I think that's where we changed the matt up and 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:01.280 put Smart Unembid. 1:18:01.360 --> 1:18:03.720 Yep. Yeah, and he was able to draw a couple file. 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:06.360 He was able to Smart was able to take advantage 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:09.200 of that matchup defensively, you know, raising some hell and 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:11.479 and creating that. That was a big shift in that game. 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:14.720 And then you know, we ended with I believe we 1:18:14.840 --> 1:18:18.720 ended with It was Jason, Jalen, al Grant, Uh and 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:22.400 Derek was the end lineup. I believe that that put 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.360 the matchups, you know, embid head to decide who he 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:28.120 was gonna, you know, be matched up with. And that 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:30.720 was kind of like our five out lineup because we 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:32.759 had five guys that were skilled, could pass, cat shoot 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:34.040 him and changed. 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:35.840 I think that changed the momentum of the game a 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:37.000 little bit, it really did. 1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:40.000 And then and JT was getting downhill all third seventeen, 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:44.160 just in the third alone, like attacking the rim, getting fouled, uh, 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:47.439 just really taking over. And then of course wouldn't be 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:49.240 a Celtic Sixers game without a little scuffle. 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:51.559 Baby. We got smart and Inmbeid going at it. 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.840 Yeah, I mean that's why you put the match up 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:55.920 there is you know, smart and take advantage of those moments. 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:56.200 Yep. 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:58.639 And then in the fourth really opened up that lead 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:00.360 and came out of this by. 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.880 One on the fourth though, I know, but but it's 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:05.320 the grace of winning the third, yes, you know. And 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:08.000 so yeah, that's the margins, the margins we had how 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:09.679 many turnover was did we force in the third quarter. 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:12.080 Of six five five scored on all of them. 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:14.280 Yeah, you forced five live ball turnovers and you score 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:15.639 on that that can change the game. 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:17.320 And then you look back to the whole game, like 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.120 coach was saying, and the Margins won the fast break 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:23.000 scoring advantage twenty four to two, which is massive. 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:24.640 But what was the points off turnovers? 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:24.920 Oh? 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:27.880 Points off turnovers? Ours were twenty two twenty two to fifteen. 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.439 Yeah, yeah, so they weren't necessarily fast break points as 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:32.400 much as they were like points off our defense, Like, 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:34.240 you know, so that's huge. 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.599 And then end up winning this thing one twenty five 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:40.160 one seventeen thirty five apiece from Jalen and JB. 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:43.439 That's huge. First thought that comes to your mind after 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:48.080 getting your first win in the NBA of your childhood 1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:52.679 freaking team in the garden, Like, what's that first thought? 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:55.280 I don't suck as much as I thought. 1:19:57.040 --> 1:19:59.519 Happily miserable? Is that bug is deadly miserable? That was 1:19:59.560 --> 1:19:59.760 really it. 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:01.640 I was like, man, I didn't like, I remember I 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:03.600 remember my dad's voice, like, don't fuck this up. I 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:06.400 was like, Okay, I didn't fuck it up too bad? No, 1:20:07.439 --> 1:20:10.360 got a shot at this thing. Yeah, yeah, you remembered 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:13.200 your dad's voice. Yeah, don't fuck it up man, that's awesome. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:17.639 Aftermath in February, the interim tag was removed was awesome, 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:21.360 rightfully so. Celtics winning the season series against Philly three 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:24.240 to one. Beat Philly in the second round of the playoffs. 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:28.519 Epic seven game series made the playoffs for this ninth 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:32.240 consecutive season. We did upset by Miami in the Eastern 1:20:32.240 --> 1:20:36.360 Conference Finals in seven games less. Fast forward to twenty 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:40.759 twenty three, twenty twenty four, raised Banner eighteen beating Dallas 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:41.320 four to one. 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.519 Baby brought that Larry O'Brien trophy back home. I mean 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:47.240 this some could say this is the start of the 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:52.320 new generation Celtics. This specific game. That's how important this 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:56.720 specific game could, yep, be considered. Tell people what it's 1:20:56.760 --> 1:21:01.559 like to win a ship entitled town. To me, it is. 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:08.080 You feel that you feel the responsibility to the city, uh, 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:11.960 to the people, but really to the players. And there's 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.280 so many people in the organization that do so much 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:17.000 that people don't know about and. 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:20.880 Staff, the lunch ladies, yeah, the people that let you 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:24.600 in the facility, people parking lady, the parking people, the 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:26.040 people that clean up after you. 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:29.440 But also the business side, right, people in the business, 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:33.200 and so I think it's a culmination of uh, gratitude 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:39.080 for everybody involved and and you know, to the city, 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:42.519 but for me it's it's uh you know, my my 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:44.639 priest sent me a text the day of the parade 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:48.880 and me and Luke Cornett talked about this. Winning the 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:51.920 parade is very similar to Palm Sunday. It's not Easter, 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:58.000 you know, and Palm Sunday is is it puts you 1:21:58.840 --> 1:21:59.880 now now it gets harder. 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.559 Palm Sunday is the week before Easter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:03.839 and then you got ash Wednesday. 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:07.280 Yeah, no, no Friday, aginning, you got Palm Sunday, Good Friday, 1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:11.280 Holy Thursday, good Friday, and then Easter. And so winning 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:14.160 is like Palm Sunday because you're waiting for that next 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:17.680 Easter it may or may not come. That that's the 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:23.680 space of like happily miserable, of duality of there's the 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:26.840 people and the players, and then there's like that space 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:30.280 between Palm Sunday and Easter. And all all we're doing 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:32.640 now is we're in that space of that week of 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:36.200 trying to get back to Easter. And you gotta do it, 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:39.559 but you may not, may not may stop a good Friday. 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:40.559 He may not come. 1:22:40.760 --> 1:22:43.479 It may stop a good Friday, and you fight like 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:46.160 hell to to make sure you get another one. I mean, 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:47.519 when that horn went off, that's the only thing I 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:49.280 thought about, how we're going to do this again? 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:51.760 What do we have to do? And not in an 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:52.920 unhealthy way. I think. 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:55.040 You know, you live in a space of like I 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:56.760 don't know how long I'm gonna do this, but for 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.320 however long, that has to be the focus. It's got 1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:01.479 to be the relationships to people. And it's got to 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:03.519 be like how do we get back to Easter Sunday again? 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:05.760 And you just have to constantly think about that every day. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:08.800 You ain't got to explain yourself to here people. You know, 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:11.960 people don't understand when you're in the grind of trying 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:16.280 to chase your dreams, and once you get your dreams, 1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:20.720 you recalibrate your dreams, like you don't have time to 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.160 sit back and say, man, this is cool. You don't 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.479 like you don't get time to enjoy it. People that 1:23:25.520 --> 1:23:30.080 are successful as certain things, they can say they enjoy it, 1:23:30.120 --> 1:23:33.479 but if they're having a long sustained career in something, 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:35.720 it's hard to enjoy it. Like I didn't enjoy my 1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:38.679 career until I retired because I was in the heat 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:43.160 of it. After each year, whether you win, you're you're 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:46.160 more stressed because you have to reinvent yourself. You lose 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.920 your fucking pissed off the whole time from not winning, 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:50.599 and you still got to reinvent yourself and you have 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:52.880 to still reinvent yourself. How many years did you play? 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.559 Twelve twelve years is not much. 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:58.120 And comparatively speaking into your life, no, without a doubt, 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:00.760 and so like it's not unhew healthy to live in 1:24:00.800 --> 1:24:02.360 that space for ten twelve years. 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:03.040 It's a balance. 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:03.920 People. 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:07.479 Family are important, but so is going after greatness. And 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.360 there's no trajectory as to what it's going to look like, 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:13.320 you know, Like you know, that's the perspective that we 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.880 talked about. Do I think we'll get another one, Absolutely, 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.519 we have to. But the spurs one to five over 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:22.120 the course of ten years, you know, the eighty one 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:24.280 team took eighty two and eighty three and all that 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.720 pain to come back in eighty four, you know. And 1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:30.320 so it's just this journey that we're on together. And 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:32.559 you got about a ten to fifteen year window in 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:36.600 life to do something to really go after something and 1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:38.200 you got to do it for however, you know you 1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:39.280 got to you gotta do it. 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:42.800 You gotta do it. Let's great the game, coach got 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:45.679 me ready to run so far all let's name the game. 1:24:46.360 --> 1:24:48.280 These are some names we came up with. If you 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:51.639 haven't suggestion, you can you can give us the suggestion, 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:56.280 of course. The first one is the sweetest Joe's First Game, 1:24:57.240 --> 1:25:02.839 the Joe Opener. This one's jo the Jopener. This one's 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:05.639 for Bill because Bill Russell rp. 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:07.280 Oh, yeah, that one you didn't have to finish the 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:09.400 rest of This one's for Bill. This one's for Bill. 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:11.639 What did Bill Russell mean to the Celtis organization? 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:14.639 I'll tell you what, Like you realize what he means. 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:16.640 And then you hear about Jalen talk about what he 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:20.479 means from a from a off the court perspective, and 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:23.599 he sets the tone. Uh, he sets the standard of 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:27.799 what it's like to be a Celtic. I've so enjoyed 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:31.640 what listening to Jalen talk about how he's impacted him 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:34.280 and and uh, you know how he's impacted the game. 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:38.040 And it's been great to see the relationship that Red 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:40.880 and Bill have had but it's also in to see 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:43.000 from Celtic City. Like you know, this goes back to 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:44.639 what we talked about the beginning of like you only 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:46.720 remember the good things, Like it wasn't always easy for him, 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.479 you know, it wasn't always easy for teammates. Like his teammates, 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:53.360 they they argued, they felt a certain way about each other, 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:56.280 They had good times in bad times. There's the picture 1:25:56.320 --> 1:25:59.040 of Bill sitting in the ice tub reading his critics 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:02.439 in the newspaper, Like the criticism was always there the episode. 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.040 There are no final victories. That's the space between Palm 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:07.800 Sunny and Easter is like it's never going to be 1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:09.760 good enough. And even a guy as good as him, 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:12.920 he felt that and that's never going to go away. 1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:15.120 And so he just is an example of so many 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:17.920 different things that you can look back onto as a 1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:19.160 Celtic but also as a person. 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:21.920 The greats they all have one thing. They have the 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:25.519 ability to compartmentalize like no other. That's something that like 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:29.360 Tom Brady I noticed, you notice from him, like whatever 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:31.760 was going on in his life, how he was at work, 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:33.920 was it was work time. 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:37.479 Yeah, it's not always that's that That space is difficult though, 1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:40.320 because then you just feel nothing. No, you're you're essentially 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:44.680 a serial killer. Ye, no, you are. You are, And 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:46.600 like you drag your wife and kids into it. You 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:48.880 drag your family into won't get into that, but yes, 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:52.280 you just dragged Like like, my wife is dragged into this. 1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:55.080 This is her life. But she loves it and I'm 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:55.720 grateful for that. 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:58.280 She's every great coach has a great wife. 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:00.559 And sit at the game with her. She's a fucking maniac. 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:05.800 Maniac off to sit in the game. Actually pretty awesome 1:27:05.840 --> 1:27:07.639 to watch. I'm actually it's actually really cool. 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.639 Is she from out here? She's from West Virginia, West Virginia. 1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:14.000 Let's go. You brought you brought someone? Dial below that 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:17.000 that Macy Dixon line up here to the north. All buddy, 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:20.439 let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:24.800 all time? Let's score it. Seventy six Ers versus the 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:28.800 Celtics season opener, twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:35.560 NBA season coach Missoula's first game as head coach of 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:40.320 the Boston Celtics, stakes zero to ten. Decimal's okay, coach, I. 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:42.599 Mean you stakes were pretty high. Would imagine you can't 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:44.360 be an intern? And lose your first game. That's kind 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:45.840 of your fucked Yeah, so. 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:48.559 What are you gonna have? Zero to ten? Descis ten? Ten? 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:49.440 Yeah? 1:27:49.560 --> 1:27:51.840 I've never been in that situation. I don't know the 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:54.360 coach's life, but I'll give it an eight. 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:55.240 I like that. 1:27:56.680 --> 1:27:58.439 I want ohoh three point two? Man? 1:27:58.520 --> 1:27:59.920 What is my what do you do? 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:02.520 I'm Russian judging us. I'm tripping, geez louise. 1:28:02.439 --> 1:28:04.559 A five point one regular season game. Our perspective, your 1:28:04.600 --> 1:28:05.760 perspective obviously at ten. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.880 Yeah, star power of the game, a lot of great. 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:09.960 That's a ten ten? 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:10.439 Ten? 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:15.600 We are we, coach? Are we all right? Ten? I 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:22.240 will go look Jalen and Tatum, they weren't them yet. 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.080 They combined for seventy points. 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:26.240 I know, but we're talking in time and place in 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:29.160 the in the era of where it was at. I'm 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:33.880 gonna go with an eight point one. I went with 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:34.559 an eight point nine. 1:28:34.640 --> 1:28:36.000 Let's go seven point nine. 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:39.000 All I'm really kicking myself for that stake score. I'm sorry, coach, 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:39.760 that's all right. 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:44.519 The gameplay of this game, back and forth, how it 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:47.400 was visually for the viewer, could be gameplay for you 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:51.240 as a coach. How you had to coach situationally zero 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:53.599 to ten decimals. Okay, I'll go eight and a half. 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:58.519 I'm gonna go. It was an opener gameplay. Crowd was 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:07.639 going cranking, go with it. Eight, we're all there names 1:29:07.640 --> 1:29:11.240 and ten the name is a ten, coach new I'm 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:13.439 gonna go with the nine point five. It's it's the 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.559 great one. We did a we did an autograph signing 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:16.559 my rookie year with him. 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:16.960 I got ja. 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.439 I scored this before we knew what we decided on. 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:21.719 I'm got to give this a ten. Yeah, the greatest 1:29:21.760 --> 1:29:23.879 winner of all time ten. 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:25.599 At a one point eight. I want to change it 1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:31.759 for eighteen championships. I'm gonna go for say, you know one, actually, 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:33.559 you know what? Eight point one? 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:36.880 Yeah? I like that. Now, where does it stack up 1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:39.120 into the games we've done all time? 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:41.640 Was Patrick Waller goalie in that two thousand and one 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:42.880 broke Stanley Cove. 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:44.479 Yeah, we're doing that one tomorrow anyway. 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:46.200 Yeah, he was he the goalie. 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:48.240 Yeah, and then Brenda Moore was the goalie for the doubles, 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:51.160 the no Martin Berger Martin Brow. 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:53.360 Yeah, I remember those two goalies. They were fucking that 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:54.000 in incredible. 1:29:54.040 --> 1:29:56.880 So you're a hockey guy played NHL as a kid 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:58.120 the Detroit Red Wings with my team. 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:00.599 They had Chris Osgood and you know, but beween the pipes. 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:04.160 He was big time. Everyone Chris was on that team. 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:06.360 Was on that team. 1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:08.320 Nicholas Lindstrom was a hell of a defender. 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:12.599 McCarty, Yeah, you know so, but I mean Martin Broda 1:30:12.680 --> 1:30:15.040 versus Patrick Wattan, you don't get a better game than that. 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:16.960 Fighting Night at the Joe is one of our highest 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.240 recommended game tomorrow. Just so you know, this will be 1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.920 coming out way later tomorrow. Stanley Cup's coming here with 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:25.000 Ray Bork. We're talking about that game. Yeah, over the moon. 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:25.960 Who else was on that team? 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:26.200 It was? 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:29.760 It was a forward, you know, the I'll think about 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:31.400 the Red Wings. The Red Wings had a forwards that 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:33.320 was unbelievable. I think he was a Russian guy. 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:40.439 No, oh federal off, Yeah he was. 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:40.840 He was big. 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:45.559 You know your NHL head. Yeah, like sports, but I 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:48.439 mean you always learn the rosters through playing the video game, Yeah, 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:53.720 no question, Like that's how I know FIFA like soccer. 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:57.200 Ye sick. We'll be right back after this quick break. 1:30:59.160 --> 1:30:59.920 Where'd the game at? 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:02.439 Was an eight point one one? It puts us it's 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:05.360 our new thirty fourth game overall, just behind the two 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:08.240 thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs game five Mad versus 1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:11.120 Warriors that we did with Mark Cuban, and then uh 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:15.599 Believe game. That's what we did with Russello, right, No, 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:17.639 this was the Davison Daron Davis. 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:18.639 Yeah, we Believe Warriors. 1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:20.679 And then just ahead of the Avery real game Devils 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:22.519 versus Rangers, they go, we did a Sean Avery. 1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:24.240 So thirty four it's not bad, it's not good. 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:25.960 No regular season game, it's pretty good. 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:28.240 And you can come on and you have plenty of 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:29.679 games that will score a lot higher. 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:31.400 Malcolm Butler game. 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:35.240 I was on a bus for Glenville State College driving 1:31:35.280 --> 1:31:37.160 back from a game, watching it on my phone when 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:40.519 he got the interception, remember that one. 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:43.360 I was sick Merracle on ice. That's a great movie. 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:46.000 Low for fourth, but it's okay. 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:47.120 I mean that's a great one. 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:51.120 We stopped the Cold War snowball game. That was huge. 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:54.160 Snow Yeah, we did, you like, are your wrestling fan 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:57.920 w W? Yeah? Yeah, which ones we have. 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:00.760 On Becky Lynch we did. We also do one with 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:03.880 Sean Sean Michaels, the young Man. 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:06.519 That match was insane. You don't have you don't have 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:11.320 the Rock, you don't have the Astrodome. What was the 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:13.400 wrestle manning at the Astrodome was at the Rock versus 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:13.920 Stone Cold. 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:17.040 See, so there are plenty of matchups that aren't on 1:32:17.040 --> 1:32:18.439 our list because we haven't done then yet. 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:20.719 These are all games that we've This is the games 1:32:20.720 --> 1:32:21.080 that we've had. 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:24.280 I think the Rock stone Cold at the Astrodome. 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:26.280 One that was like that our age. 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:28.240 And then you have the Rock man kind on the 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:30.000 on the just know. 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:34.679 The steel case cage. Yeah, the tax Yeah, I used 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:36.840 to love that ship. I mean that was like, if 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:38.360 you told me it wasn't real, I would I would 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:38.640 putch you. 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:41.439 In the face. I guess suspended for giving a sucket 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:42.439 signed to my teacher. 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:44.920 Yeah, I mean, who didn't been there? We've all been there. 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.360 X Poc was one of my favorite x pock with 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:54.000 the Rodeo because he was small. Yeah, he was fucking awesome. 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:57.200 X Poc was huge, Coach, did we miss anything from 1:32:57.240 --> 1:32:57.639 this game? 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:57.920 No? 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:00.120 Game was the worst part about today. 1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:05.720 This game's fucking awesome. We in Boston are are very 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:09.240 extremely happy and excited to have you as our head coach. 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:12.680 It's a person from the community. You know, it's amazing 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.600 you've gone out and you've had great success early on 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:19.880 in your career and you look to learn to get 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:22.920 it to continue it. Like you're constantly learning. That's something 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:26.280 that I've always felt when I've talked to you in 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:29.720 our conversations. Hasn't been many, but you're always on like 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:32.559 the hunt to learn. You're always trying to take something 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:36.080 from someone to help your team. And I think, man, 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:37.800 it's it's been a pleasure to get to know you. 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:41.000 Thank you, and I appreciate you coming on here. 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.040 Yeah, no, thanks for paving the way with the success 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:44.880 you've had as a player. And I've said all the time, 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:48.400 like the people before us, because they've won, they've made 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:51.840 this job what it is. And the best compliment in 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:54.080 the gift that you have is coaching in Boston, coaching 1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:56.920 the Celtics, coaching for the responsibility in the ownership of 1:33:56.960 --> 1:34:00.360 going after championships every year. But also I think just 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:03.519 as important as that is trying to take on the 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:05.760 identity of the city and take on the identity of 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:09.519 what it means to be an athlete or a person 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:11.320 in Boston and what it means to be a competitor 1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:11.919 for the Celtics. 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:14.439 Those two things. Every day I wake up. 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:16.040 I'm grateful for that, you know, because I don't know 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.000 how long it's going to last, but for however long 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:19.320 it does, you got to make sure we try to 1:34:19.360 --> 1:34:21.840 leave it in a better place. And I think, you know, 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:25.599 credit to our former ownership of Wicked PAGs is they 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:27.519 got it and they left it in a better place. 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:29.800 And I'm thankful to them for giving the opportunity. And 1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:32.679 then now we have you know, new ownership and Bill 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.160 and and Wick and and you know they'll look to 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:37.480 do the same thing. And it's just the ultimate responsibility. 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.320 So I'm forever grateful to the city and to people 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:41.200 like you've, you know, paved the way for us. 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:42.000 Oh Man. 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:45.360 From a fan perspective, Coach, thank you for everything you do. Man, 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:46.479 I look up to you. 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:47.080 I love you. 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:49.680 You've given me some of my best sports memories of 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:52.160 all time, So Jack, thank you you guys. I was 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:54.360 at Game five with Sam and I think a lot 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:56.360 of us are best memories in life revolved around sports, 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:56.880 and they do. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.040 That's right up there at the tippy tippy top. 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:00.200 So we got creating. 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:03.679 Forever grateful for you. More. Yes, let's create more. Everyone 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:07.040 go check them out. Boston Celtics mindset is gonna be 1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:09.920 on fire this year. Let's go and thank you coach 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:15.479 Joe Missoula. Thanks brother man a white whale guest for me. 1:35:16.000 --> 1:35:18.960 He's he's got a mindset. I'm excited to watch him 1:35:19.160 --> 1:35:22.720 continue his coaching career. Me too. And I feel like 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:25.559 I'm a little more invested to the Celtics now because 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:26.360 I'm rooting for him. 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:28.320 Oh, me too. Like I would run through a wall 1:35:28.320 --> 1:35:30.400 for Joe. I'd go to battle for Joe. I'd go 1:35:30.439 --> 1:35:31.559 to the depths of hell for Joe. 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:31.840 I do. 1:35:32.720 --> 1:35:34.840 I'm a Joe guy, and that would just put it 1:35:34.880 --> 1:35:37.160 over the top. Took it to a whole other level. 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:40.280 And there's kind of this weird We talked about it 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:41.960 a little bit, but when you don't win the ship 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:44.320 and when the season comes up short and it feels 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:47.120 like a failure, like me as a fan, he going 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:50.320 to kind of more like You're like, it's a weird 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:52.320 you know what I mean. The whole offseason is just 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:56.200 a bummer. But hearing from Joe and his positivity and 1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:59.080 his mindset and a tenacity like I'm back. 1:35:59.120 --> 1:36:02.040 Baby needed that miserable. He loves it. He loves it. 1:36:02.080 --> 1:36:04.120 We just sent him like fifteen new hoodies. 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:05.920 Yeah, we're gonna start to that's. 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:06.960 A happily miserable. 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.360 We got it over that big time. 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Cheers, Bubba. 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:50.519 You've never done that. My decksterity not quite that good. 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:55.320 I don't know. I'm a two hinder. That's like, I 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.640 don't know. That just feels white trash to me. 1:36:57.760 --> 1:37:00.360 You just be like, now it feels like that's like 1:37:00.360 --> 1:37:03.559 your little Texan guy coming out your reach over, grab 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:04.120 you court. 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:06.840 I think that was like how one of like my 1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:12.760 uncle's friends used to open the beer. He was the man. No, 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:18.400 he was complete degenerate. Sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah, 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:20.680 we were. I think we were at like my grandma's trailers. 1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:22.639 Let's get into this though. 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:25.760 Since this episode was all about the Celtics and there's 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:29.439 this there's this great bond between athletes, especially in Boston, 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:31.439 we want to pull back the curtain a little bit 1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:33.360 and talk to you, Jules about what it's like to 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:37.120 hang out with other pro athletes from other sports, within 1:37:37.240 --> 1:37:40.519 your sport, around the league, just everywhere. 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:42.000 In that kind of bond you guys have. 1:37:42.240 --> 1:37:44.840 When you're yourself are a pro athlete, how those friendships 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:47.400 are made, how they're maintained, Just kind of kind of 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:49.160 get a sense of how it is because you know, 1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:51.320 as a fan, you wonder, is that guy really budgs with? 1:37:51.320 --> 1:37:53.719 That Guy's that guy you know like and it's it's 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:55.920 I think it's especially cool in Boston. 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:58.240 So yeah, you know, early in my career, I would 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:01.360 see Veritek got a lot of like charity pet colts 1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:04.960 I never really saw Padoya always wanted to. I mean 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:07.960 we I used his bat and batting practice, laser show, 1:38:08.040 --> 1:38:12.000 Laser show, laser show. Uh so that was like my 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:13.960 my red Sox. And then I used to hang out 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:18.000 with what's his name, Gabe Napoli. Napoli, you know, we 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:22.040 used to like it's in those days. We would see 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.920 each other at local bars. That's when Daisy Buchans was 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:27.479 still around, and that was like legendary spot. That was 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:30.040 a legendary spot and so you would see a lot 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:32.679 of guys there. And then we go to I remember 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:35.640 going to like this Chinese restaurant after hours and I 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:40.680 would see Baby Davis and a lot of the Celtics there. Baby, 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:42.880 you'd go there and I'm not going to say the 1:38:42.960 --> 1:38:44.840 name of the establishment, but all you had to do 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:46.720 is ask for cold tea and they give you a 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:50.720 bucket of beer after two. So like that's where I 1:38:50.720 --> 1:38:51.519 would see a lot of. 1:38:51.439 --> 1:38:53.080 This hold on. So you're at the club, you're at 1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:54.959 a bar at something, and you see like the Celtics 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:59.160 guys over there. How does that like does someone go up? 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:00.960 Do you like guys wreck as each other? Like like 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:02.760 is it just like a head nod or like, how 1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:03.840 does that actually go down? 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.760 It depends because like, I don't. I wasn't. I was 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:10.479 still young. Then I became closer with Like I met 1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:14.040 Jalen Brown a few times a game and hang out. 1:39:13.640 --> 1:39:16.920 We hung out a couple of times, and the old 1:39:17.000 --> 1:39:19.920 the newer Celtics, the older one. I was still too 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:21.439 young in my prime and I didn't live in the 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:23.960 city yet, so that was early on my career. I 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:25.760 would come into the city. When I moved to the city, 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:28.439 that's when I started hanging out more like nap and 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:31.400 you know, a couple of Celtics. I would see them. 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:33.640 I went and spent time with them at their facility, 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:37.040 so I got to know them a little. I hung 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:40.479 out with the Bruins when we were young Segs Thornton. 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:44.839 I would see me Lan. We would have beer chugging 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:48.600 contests at Demonica's anytime Loocher's around. It was just like 1:39:48.640 --> 1:39:53.599 we're chugging beers those guys. You know. It always happened 1:39:53.640 --> 1:40:02.320 at like either a charity event or at local establishments. 1:40:03.040 --> 1:40:05.160 You go to Southis, you'd see some of the Bruins 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:12.679 out and then nowadays it's simply because of social Yeah, 1:40:13.200 --> 1:40:15.800 I mean, now you could we both follow each other 1:40:15.880 --> 1:40:18.719 and something you you comment on a story, they comment 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:20.719 on one of yours, and that's how you stay in touch. 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:24.960 So that's like the cool thing about it. Uh, you know, 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:28.400 you can still stay in touch with guys via social 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:30.959 without even having to talk to them. But like athlete 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:34.720 friendship is also different. Friendship like I could like I 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:37.640 didn't I haven't seen you know, example, I go to 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:40.320 Cardonia's wedding. I haven't seen Ryan Allen in seven years 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:43.000 since he left, and you know, we see each other. 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:46.040 It's like we haven't not seen each other, didn't miss 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:48.240 the seven years and didn't miss a beat. And it's 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:52.080 like that because you understand when you're a professional athlete 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.960 that like your life is pretty much predicated around your 1:40:56.000 --> 1:41:00.439 your sports schedule and the times that you do cross 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:03.879 paths with other guys. You enjoy those times, but sometimes 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:06.640 you just don't have time to like, hey man, what 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:08.679 do you know? What are you doing here there that 1:41:09.320 --> 1:41:12.800 you know? So you know? And then Celtics games. You 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:15.200 go to Celtics games and there'd always be I used 1:41:15.200 --> 1:41:16.599 to go to I think I went to a Celtics 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:19.760 game with bradmorshawan once with Duly Coo. Yeah, the same 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:23.200 as Mars Gronk used to go a lot with them. Uh, 1:41:23.600 --> 1:41:26.120 you would see some of the Celtics or you would 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:27.800 see you'd see all the Celtics. You would see some 1:41:27.840 --> 1:41:28.719 of the Red Sox. 1:41:30.520 --> 1:41:31.840 If you're going to like let's say you're going to 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:35.600 a Celtics game with whoever, are you interacting with the 1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:38.519 Celtics like after or before or like like because they 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:40.680 if the Celtics, Oh, we know that's a Patriots guy. 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:45.200 You connect or something. It's ahead nod. Let I know 1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:48.240 they're working. Yeah, you know, I remember when you know 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.760 you have people at the game and you know, like 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:53.880 this is their job, you know. I like what's up? 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:57.880 Adapt maybe you know, maybe an inner joke with Jalen 1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:59.680 I love when jab comes DAPs you up? 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:02.960 How does that when you were a football player, because 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:05.479 so far removed from the state, Like are you ever 1:42:05.520 --> 1:42:07.240 noticing guys that are in town or people? 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:10.639 You know what you would see because like after teams 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:13.080 would win, they would come and we'd had cool like 1:42:13.720 --> 1:42:16.120 they would wear like a Patriot jersey or in Boston 1:42:16.320 --> 1:42:18.720 Celtics jersey or a Bruins like there was a lot 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:20.439 of those types of things where you would go to 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:23.920 their games. We dropped pucks, we threw first pitches, and 1:42:24.000 --> 1:42:26.840 they would come to our games to be honored before 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:30.000 the game or at halftime or something like that. And 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:34.400 it's different. I was never like a key, key kind 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:37.720 of guy before a game, like like you know, yeah, 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:41.519 but buddy, yeah, we weren't doing that. I wasn't. At 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:44.360 least I would give a head nod or something. But 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:47.439 I had to like mentally put myself in a different 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:50.880 place to to go out and perform. Like I didn't. 1:42:51.479 --> 1:42:54.160 Like even McAfee talks about it. Like when I used 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:56.720 to like look at the other punters, I was trying 1:42:56.760 --> 1:43:00.280 to intimidate them like I wanted I would go right 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:05.480 next to them, like watching I loved like the pregame 1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:11.280 psychological battles, you know, like or or like looking at 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.920 a dB a certain way like I played with some 1:43:13.960 --> 1:43:15.600 of those day. Fuck that not today, you know what 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:18.280 I mean. That's that's how I saw guys do it. 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:21.000 That's how I was kind of told to approach it, 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:24.360 and then that's how I developed it. But getting back 1:43:24.400 --> 1:43:31.400 to other athletes, you know it, we were talking with Joe, 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:33.759 it's pretty cool to get to play for this city. 1:43:34.200 --> 1:43:37.320 Like it's insanely cool to get to play for Boston 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:42.240 and have this part of your identity because it's such 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:48.040 a huge pivotal sport identity like this. This could be like, 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:50.640 you know, New York's a big market this that, but 1:43:50.760 --> 1:43:56.240 like this is a huge crazy like pro sport town 1:43:56.840 --> 1:44:01.000 where they've had but they've all got to taste success. Well, 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:02.600 all being good, was. 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:05.880 There a been like a sibling rivalry between the sports 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:07.479 in a city like Boston, Like, oh, they want a 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:09.519 championship more recently, that's we got to go out and 1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:11.479 do it, Like, is there anything of that? Friendly? 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:15.160 Friendly? It was never like fuck DMN, yeah they wanted. 1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:19.040 It was more like may motivation, fucking Bruins just want one. 1:44:19.080 --> 1:44:20.760 Let's go get one. That was our time. Yeah, that's 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:22.519 our time. I saw that damn parade. It look pretty 1:44:22.560 --> 1:44:25.040 damn fun because you know, the Bruins won right before 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:27.879 I we won I think was eleven or twelve eleven, 1:44:28.240 --> 1:44:30.360 and then three years later we won our first really 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:33.559 in the first and ten years for the Patriots, so 1:44:33.600 --> 1:44:35.240 people were kind of forgetting about us, you know, the 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:39.560 Red Sox, you know what I mean. And then the 1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:44.200 Celts had eight, so like there is a time where 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:48.719 it's a motivation factor that everyone had one except us, 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:53.240 as in the Patriots, and even the Patriots before our 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:57.599 time had one, so individually for that and like era team, 1:44:57.720 --> 1:45:00.840 it was like, Yo, I'm sick and already hearing about 1:45:00.840 --> 1:45:04.000 these fucking old Patriots. I'm sick and tired of hearing 1:45:04.000 --> 1:45:06.519 about we're the only ones without a ship. Like that's 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:08.320 the kind of shit how I used it. At least 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:09.880 I can't speak for everyone. 1:45:09.720 --> 1:45:11.559 So taking it outside of Boston, you kind of mentioned 1:45:11.560 --> 1:45:14.840 it slightly earlier, How does it? How do you like 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:17.920 meet other players in the league if you didn't ever 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:20.120 like play with them or like being in high school 1:45:20.160 --> 1:45:21.400 with them or callegs with them, how do you meet 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:22.080 those guys? 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:25.040 Early in my career would be like word of mouth 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:30.320 type stuff teammate of a teammate now social media, but 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:33.360 I remember early in my career, you know, Larry Fitzgerald 1:45:33.439 --> 1:45:36.800 used to hold this camp in the off season for receivers. 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:38.320 Is like one of the first, Like you know there's 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:41.320 tight End University. Larry was doing that kind of stuff, 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:45.040 you know, twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, where you know, 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:48.280 a bunch of receivers would go there, big name guys 1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:50.040 and then you know, I was going into like my 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:54.000 second or third year, and I you know, I heard 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:56.519 I got Charlie Fry used to go throw with them. 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:59.759 So I asked, Charlie if I go. Larry said, no problem, 1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:02.200 come and so like we went and had like a 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:05.599 training seminar for like a week together where I went 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:09.320 and trained, We'd run routes and like, yeah, that was 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:12.160 just word of mouth, and that was through a teammate. 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:16.120 You know. Now it's it's really easy, you know, just 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:18.080 all you got to do is tap in. You can 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:23.160 get to anyone and say, man, hey, love your game, 1:46:23.400 --> 1:46:24.759 you know, or something like that. 1:46:24.960 --> 1:46:28.559 Are there any like off season like congregation points, like oh, 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:30.280 a lot of guys go to La to train, or 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:31.959 a lot of guys go to like, you know, Arizona 1:46:32.000 --> 1:46:32.800 to train in that week. 1:46:32.840 --> 1:46:35.680 So a lot of the there's like usually there's like 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:40.680 five hubs early. You know, back in my day it 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:43.400 was like Arizona like and the off season, guys would 1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:45.320 chase the Sun want to be able to train and 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:48.000 work out in Sun or in their hometowns. A lot 1:46:48.040 --> 1:46:49.880 of guys come from the South. You know, a lot 1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:52.840 of guys come from South Florida. So South Florida was 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:56.679 a big one. The Tampa there was like training facilities there. 1:46:56.680 --> 1:46:59.599 It was like the APIs the EXOSS, and there's these 1:46:59.600 --> 1:47:03.040 other ones that were coming. They'd be South Florida, there'd 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:04.960 be one in Texas. There'd be guys that go to 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:08.960 Texas somewhere either Austin or or Houston or Dallas. There'd 1:47:09.000 --> 1:47:12.439 be a group of people in Scottsdale. That's where Larry was, 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:14.479 so that's where I flew out too to do that 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:17.439 receiver camp. And then there was California group, which was 1:47:17.560 --> 1:47:22.080 usually like LA. You know, there'd be usually guys in LA. 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:24.840 You get a lot of like transplant guys that would 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:27.919 come in for you know, three or four days. 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:28.519 You know. 1:47:28.520 --> 1:47:31.520 When I was training at API that turned into EXOS, 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:34.240 we would I would train there for like three months, 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:36.479 but there'd always be new guys in and out because 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:38.960 they do a commercial in LA, but they still need 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:41.639 to get their workouts in, so they'd come to API 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:45.000 get their workout in through and we'd jump into groups 1:47:45.800 --> 1:47:48.640 and and and then we would train. And that was 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:50.599 like some of the coolest stuff of about the off 1:47:50.680 --> 1:47:54.320 season is when I would train and there'd be like 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:57.960 a group of guys TJ. Ward and and you know, 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:00.320 I remember training a lot with him at Exo because 1:48:00.360 --> 1:48:03.680 he was an l A guy. You know, That's how 1:48:03.720 --> 1:48:06.880 me and Am and Dola met training at at in 1:48:07.080 --> 1:48:07.280 l A. 1:48:07.720 --> 1:48:09.480 Sound was before you guys were teammates. 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:12.519 Before we were teammates, you know, So we started training together. 1:48:12.560 --> 1:48:14.720 There was a group of guys. You go to u 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.240 c l A and there'd be a group of receivers 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:21.920 and coaches out or not coaches, receivers and quarterbacks, they're 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:24.400 like coaches. They would run it and we'd you know, 1:48:24.479 --> 1:48:27.680 run routes and that was like a way to a compete. 1:48:28.280 --> 1:48:33.759 B look at how other guys train, see like steel 1:48:33.880 --> 1:48:37.080 techniques and and look at like movements because like we 1:48:37.120 --> 1:48:40.679 didn't have Instagram like what it was now or TikTok 1:48:40.760 --> 1:48:42.639 on what it is now, where you could see how 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:45.880 everyone trains. Like we would all like congregate to like 1:48:46.240 --> 1:48:48.760 u c l A use their practice fields. There'd be 1:48:48.760 --> 1:48:50.400 a group of guy I remember Odell would come out. 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:55.760 There'd be those group of guys. Uh TJ. Houshman Z 1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:59.080 OUTA used to come out so like you'd always have 1:48:59.200 --> 1:49:01.920 these guys the lay and then there would be transplant 1:49:01.960 --> 1:49:04.080 guys that were here for training, and then everyone would 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:06.360 go there and run routes and that was I loved 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:08.920 that stuff, you know. And then also you know, I 1:49:09.240 --> 1:49:10.960 came out here, I came out to Or. I went 1:49:10.960 --> 1:49:13.240 to LA because that's where Tom lived at the time 1:49:13.400 --> 1:49:16.519 and he trained, and so we would go to his 1:49:16.640 --> 1:49:20.920 quarterback coach, Tom House, and I developed such a relationship 1:49:21.000 --> 1:49:25.479 with him that even when Tom was gone, I would 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:27.599 go to Tom House because he had always had pro 1:49:27.760 --> 1:49:29.960 arms like I would throw with like Matt Stafford, I 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:32.599 would throw with Jared Goff. I would throw a lot 1:49:32.640 --> 1:49:36.479 with like the cast Matt Kasso. I threw with Carson 1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:39.040 Palmer a bunch because he was in LA, but that 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:40.920 was a different group. But like I would, I would 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:44.040 go to where the arms were, the NFL arms, because 1:49:44.040 --> 1:49:46.519 I wanted to catch live balls. I wanted to catch 1:49:46.560 --> 1:49:49.840 balls from guys that were throwing an NFL ball. You know, 1:49:49.920 --> 1:49:53.360 JUG's machine's great, and that's great for like strengthening your hands, 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:57.120 but you know, the ball comes out differently when you're 1:49:57.160 --> 1:50:00.639 running full speed and it's coming off a live arm, 1:50:01.200 --> 1:50:04.080 and that that ultimately, for me, was my best way 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:05.880 to prepare was running a lot of routes, so I 1:50:06.120 --> 1:50:07.200 would look for the arms. 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:08.960 You can't go get a beer with a drugs gun 1:50:09.000 --> 1:50:12.599 like you can Matthew Stafford afterwards, either exactly, I'll tell 1:50:12.640 --> 1:50:14.200 you why that ball didn't hit the turf that day. 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:16.840 And how do those sessions work? Are they like or 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:19.040 what's the vibe? Are they kind of chummy or do 1:50:19.080 --> 1:50:21.080 they sometimes they get a little like competitive and a 1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:23.240 little bit like depends on who who's there or does 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:26.680 any rivalries exist into those things where like oh this 1:50:26.680 --> 1:50:28.679 guy beat us last playoff, you I'm going a little harder. 1:50:28.680 --> 1:50:29.599 I'm gonna have a little Now. 1:50:30.040 --> 1:50:33.040 Which sessions are we talking workout sessions are throwing sessions? 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:34.839 Well, explain me the difference. 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:37.479 First, So you know, the workout session was literally at 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:40.640 a workout facility. So you go to exos and you 1:50:40.800 --> 1:50:45.479 do like your plometrics, your field work, your explosion work, 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.200 weight room work, and then you would condition. That was 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:51.679 like like an hour workout that was like fast tempo, 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:54.800 constant competition. That was great because you do like all 1:50:54.840 --> 1:50:58.280 these you know, change of direction, drills and you were 1:50:58.360 --> 1:51:01.960 racing guys, so like it it brought in you know, 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:04.000 it brought up the intensity. You know, you go do 1:51:04.040 --> 1:51:06.200 that by yourself. Yeah, you can be intense, but you're 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:10.200 gonna you're adrenaline raises at least mind does when there's competition, 1:51:10.920 --> 1:51:13.280 so you know it could fuck up your technique, but 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:18.040 you're gonna be going hard. No, So you know, we 1:51:18.080 --> 1:51:20.800 would play against each other here and there, but like 1:51:20.840 --> 1:51:23.160 it was different in the offseason. We were all there 1:51:23.720 --> 1:51:26.679 selfishly to get better, so like you could put it away. 1:51:27.000 --> 1:51:30.920 There was truth. There was truth, but like there was 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.080 also I mean there are times where guys would compete 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:35.360 and guys would get up in each other's faces. You know, 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:40.120 like that's anytime you have a fucking bunch of high strung, 1:51:40.240 --> 1:51:45.240 fucking professional athletes got these you know, we were all competitors, 1:51:45.280 --> 1:51:48.799 So yeah, there would be shit talking in the weight room, 1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:52.599 like the weight and the workout ship usually our routes. 1:51:52.760 --> 1:51:55.360 Not really. It was kind of like it was kind 1:51:55.400 --> 1:51:58.360 of like doing infield showing off, you know, like when 1:51:58.400 --> 1:52:00.400 you do infield baseball, and that was your way to 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:02.360 kind of swag out and show people. 1:52:02.920 --> 1:52:05.160 Courses before the Kentucky Derby to trot around. 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:08.519 Yeah, so like dout them all over the first you know, 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:13.080 so guys would naturally compete through how they ran their 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:17.120 route and the smoothness of how they cut or their 1:52:17.200 --> 1:52:20.439 explosion in and out of a break or they're selling 1:52:20.479 --> 1:52:23.639 of a double move route like that was their way 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:26.719 of like competing. We didn't have many one on ones, 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:29.800 like I think now I see one on ones. It 1:52:29.880 --> 1:52:34.840 was there really just for conditioning and and and like 1:52:35.400 --> 1:52:37.519 route technique, you know what I mean. 1:52:38.000 --> 1:52:41.639 Do you ever learn anything about like another player from 1:52:41.680 --> 1:52:44.439 those sessions that you brought back into the New England 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:46.680 be like, hey, you know what, Carson Palmer, take a 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:48.320 look at this, or this is this or you just 1:52:48.760 --> 1:52:50.920 that's not really the mentality that goes into those. 1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:56.320 You talk with guys. But you also like you wouldn't 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:59.679 tell them everything. Yeah, if they were telling you everything, 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:06.559 that's all on that. This ain't no patient client confidentiality. Amen, 1:53:07.720 --> 1:53:09.400 I think it's gonna help our team. 1:53:09.720 --> 1:53:10.640 So if you're planning. 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:19.400 He said, you got no hippocratic oaths plas, you're at 1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:20.760 the point like it doesn't matter. 1:53:20.920 --> 1:53:24.280 Yeah, you're actually gonna learn in that moment. That's actually 1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:25.360 gonna go to the next level. 1:53:25.400 --> 1:53:27.640 You can take little things like on how guys like 1:53:28.720 --> 1:53:30.599 cut in and out of breaks or how you know, 1:53:31.840 --> 1:53:36.320 you know they would sell something, you know, head shoulder movements, 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:39.280 you know, like that's the kind of shit you would take. 1:53:39.400 --> 1:53:44.000 Stacking the ball, tracking the ball, uh, those types of things. 1:53:44.240 --> 1:53:48.480 Was there ever a session earlier in your career excluding 1:53:48.560 --> 1:53:51.320 Tom that you were in one of those sessions and 1:53:51.320 --> 1:53:53.439 you're kind of the slaptick and some like hot shot, 1:53:53.800 --> 1:53:55.439 like big swinging dick guy was there that you're like, 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:57.880 oh my god, like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice is 1:53:57.920 --> 1:53:59.160 here or something like that that you got to learn 1:53:59.160 --> 1:54:00.360 a little bit from earlier career. 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:03.200 There's one time, I think too showed up to one 1:54:03.200 --> 1:54:06.479 of those U C. L A things, and you know, yeah, 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:08.880 I was a slap dick at that time, but I 1:54:08.600 --> 1:54:11.040 I I went one hundred miles an hour always, I 1:54:11.120 --> 1:54:14.360 was always I really I would look at them and 1:54:14.360 --> 1:54:17.400 in awe. But you're in a point where you're like 1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:20.519 you're still working, right, Like that's how I I did? 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:24.240 I you know, I I so, but you you'd watch 1:54:24.600 --> 1:54:27.120 and used to go a lot lots of those TJ 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:29.240 used to go they were like the bigger name guy 1:54:29.640 --> 1:54:33.880 like that, the more established guys. There were young guys 1:54:33.880 --> 1:54:35.720 that were bawling. Not that were there. 1:54:35.760 --> 1:54:38.840 But wasn't like watching t O in person. Just his 1:54:39.000 --> 1:54:42.320 like freakish like body size, but speed conbined, just like. 1:54:42.320 --> 1:54:45.520 He was a little older. Yeah, but I mean he 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:48.800 looked apart. He still looks apart. I mean he's a 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:51.600 he's a he's a he's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak. 1:54:51.800 --> 1:54:53.240 He's a freak. He's a specimen. 1:54:53.600 --> 1:54:56.240 I got two four years jewels. Say you're out painting 1:54:56.280 --> 1:54:59.720 the picture here, not in your home city, and in Boston, 1:55:00.240 --> 1:55:03.480 maybe Miami, somewhere, out for a night out. You look 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:06.000 across the bar, you see a dude you battled, you 1:55:06.000 --> 1:55:09.680 don't know him, maybe a jet and maybe an arrival. 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:12.120 You battled with this guy. You look across the bar, 1:55:12.800 --> 1:55:13.520 you lock eyes. 1:55:14.080 --> 1:55:16.160 Then a conversation starts and you kind of bury the 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:17.960 hatchet and break bread with each other. 1:55:17.960 --> 1:55:21.480 Has that ever happened? I wouldn't say break bread, but 1:55:22.400 --> 1:55:24.320 you know, there's been a few of a better term. Sorry, 1:55:24.520 --> 1:55:26.560 there's been a few times where you see a guy 1:55:26.640 --> 1:55:28.440 that you know you're not expecting to run into him 1:55:28.440 --> 1:55:33.400 out somewhere. Yeah, and you got you love competing against you. Yeah, 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:37.280 definitely keep it moving type type, keep it moving. Yeah, 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:39.680 I feel that. And then who looked at us differently though? Yeah, 1:55:39.680 --> 1:55:42.080 I was gonna say, it's beating out of everyone, you 1:55:42.080 --> 1:55:43.520 know what I mean, Like you go to the you 1:55:43.600 --> 1:55:45.800 go to Derby and the other teams there. We always 1:55:45.800 --> 1:55:48.440 went after like we want a super Bowl and stuff. Yeah, 1:55:48.480 --> 1:55:50.800 people looked at us probably like we're arrogant assholes a 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:54.560 little bit, Hey, ayus because ainus? I don't know. Yeah, no, 1:55:54.640 --> 1:55:56.640 I feel that. And then my other one, but I 1:55:56.720 --> 1:55:58.520 used to be around a lot of the Bronco guys 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:00.600 because I saw I was with you know, I used 1:56:00.600 --> 1:56:02.840 to train with TJ. Ward and you know, you know 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:05.760 we battled again. Yeah, I was gonna say that it 1:56:05.800 --> 1:56:09.040 was always fun. It was always fun to just talk shit. 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:11.440 I feel that. But like we there was a respect. 1:56:11.480 --> 1:56:13.440 I always respected guys that worked their ass off in 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:15.520 the trail, like soft season. So if I didn't like you, 1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:18.080 but I saw you you working, I liked you. 1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:19.400 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:56:19.400 --> 1:56:21.520 You can't knock the hustle. You can't knock hustle. You 1:56:21.520 --> 1:56:23.480 can't knock guys that are trying to get better as there. 1:56:23.520 --> 1:56:26.520 Ever, we talked a little bit earlier about the beauty 1:56:26.520 --> 1:56:28.680 of social media with helping guys stay in touch and 1:56:28.800 --> 1:56:31.960 connecting and dudes you may have never crossed paths with 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:33.680 just being able to hit him up with a click 1:56:33.720 --> 1:56:36.640 of a button. Have you ever gotten one of those 1:56:36.680 --> 1:56:39.720 guys giving you I like your game type vibe that 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:42.560 like really meant something or major eyes light up when 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:44.760 you got that message, like it came out of the blue. 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:47.879 Not really, but I feel you, you know, Like Brandon 1:56:47.920 --> 1:56:51.760 Marshall when I first started working with him, he it 1:56:51.880 --> 1:56:53.680 kind of blew my mind out, Like you know, I 1:56:53.680 --> 1:56:57.000 don't know if he was fluffing me, but he was like, Jules, 1:56:57.080 --> 1:57:01.240 I love your game, your su like he Brandon Marshall 1:57:01.240 --> 1:57:03.760 always used to hype me up, the original Glazer. I 1:57:03.840 --> 1:57:06.240 like it. He's he knew how to charm me nice. 1:57:06.600 --> 1:57:07.120 I like that. 1:57:08.160 --> 1:57:10.920 He's also that prototypical like number one wide receiver kind 1:57:10.960 --> 1:57:12.720 of vibe. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I did it for 1:57:12.760 --> 1:57:13.320 a long time. 1:57:13.880 --> 1:57:15.360 Dude. At thirty one, I think he had like a 1:57:15.480 --> 1:57:18.880 hundred and something catches pro Bowl legend. He's he was 1:57:18.880 --> 1:57:21.640 a monster people forget about you know, it sucks that 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:24.200 he never played in a playoff game because he had 1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:26.800 such an elite career. He had a crazy career. 1:57:26.640 --> 1:57:28.920 And like he did it with the quarterbacks that were 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:30.280 throwing it to him pretty consistently. 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:33.960 He's like, wow, yeah, yeah, he's a large man. Oh yeah, 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:34.960 b Marsh. 1:57:35.240 --> 1:57:37.760 Marsh's is a most size and personnality. 1:57:38.000 --> 1:57:40.360 But I think it's also even more like with the 1:57:40.880 --> 1:57:44.040 players and friendships and stuff. Now it's it's to an 1:57:44.080 --> 1:57:46.360 all time high. Now, yeah, it's it's almost too much. 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:48.720 Like you said, it's almost it's two k key, it's 1:57:48.720 --> 1:57:51.000 a little two key key. I'm with you. I don't 1:57:51.040 --> 1:57:53.640 like seeing it's weird to see as a as a fan. 1:57:53.920 --> 1:57:56.440 I want you to hate each like yeah, I mean 1:57:56.440 --> 1:57:59.040 it's kind of you gotta we have a responsibility, man, 1:57:59.120 --> 1:58:01.240 keep you like ww you guys could be boys in 1:58:01.280 --> 1:58:03.560 the off season and stuff, but like, at least, like 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:05.320 we got to act like we hate each other. I 1:58:05.320 --> 1:58:07.880 don't keep up the illusion. You can't have let's say 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.760 you don't hate anything, Well, you ain't competing right then. 1:58:10.840 --> 1:58:12.800 You can't have the iron chic in the whole traveling 1:58:12.840 --> 1:58:14.920 to the event together everybody in the world sees them. 1:58:15.240 --> 1:58:18.440 The jig is up. It's up. I'm with you, you know. 1:58:19.040 --> 1:58:21.880 Macho man, Randy Savage and fucking Andre the Giant didn't 1:58:21.920 --> 1:58:24.360 like each other boo. They also showed that they didn't 1:58:24.400 --> 1:58:26.240 like each other in the ring either. Amen. I don't 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:27.640 know where that Yeah, I just saw that was a 1:58:27.640 --> 1:58:28.000 great one. 1:58:28.080 --> 1:58:32.280 Yeah, so great segment. That was awesome. Was insightful audience. 1:58:32.560 --> 1:58:37.480 More comments, voicemails of in depth things you wanted to 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:39.920 find out about the life of a professional athlete. Please 1:58:40.000 --> 1:58:41.160 let us know. The segment's awesome. 1:58:41.240 --> 1:58:43.600 The hockey guys you just got. You know. I went 1:58:43.640 --> 1:58:46.600 and visited one of my boys in Toronto, JPR and Cebia. 1:58:47.240 --> 1:58:49.720 He was a catcher, took VP with them out there 1:58:49.840 --> 1:58:52.880 and ended up linking up with Sagan and the hockey guy. 1:58:53.000 --> 1:58:58.000 Those got hockey guys. It's fucking it. There are different breed. 1:58:59.120 --> 1:59:02.640 PK Suba like I hung out him, like these guys 1:59:02.680 --> 1:59:05.240 like they can go drink and then go like perform 1:59:05.240 --> 1:59:07.360 at a high level. It's insane, Bill Diffy. 1:59:07.440 --> 1:59:09.720 A lot of them have been doing like the professional 1:59:09.800 --> 1:59:12.760 routine when they're teenage yea right, not being at home 1:59:12.880 --> 1:59:15.200 on the road all the time, practice in school and 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:17.160 this and always like learning it. And then they become 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:20.160 pros at being pros early as. 1:59:19.800 --> 1:59:21.680 A great way to put it, they're pros pro And 1:59:21.720 --> 1:59:23.920 maybe just because my I'm back in Boston and my 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:27.280 homerism is coming out. But what other city is a 1:59:27.440 --> 1:59:31.440 NBA champion and two Super Bowl champions hood sliding out 1:59:31.440 --> 1:59:33.240 in LA together after years and years? 1:59:33.240 --> 1:59:33.360 What? 1:59:33.600 --> 1:59:37.160 Who else is doing that? Nobody but Boston Baby? Oh, Paul, 1:59:37.720 --> 1:59:39.560 I see him at work all the time, I say, Paul. 1:59:39.560 --> 1:59:43.240 We can't hang out, Paul, we can't hang out. 1:59:44.320 --> 1:59:44.520 Yay. 1:59:45.080 --> 1:59:50.400 Last time we hung out, Bill took my captain away. 1:59:50.640 --> 1:59:53.400 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 1:59:54.960 --> 1:59:57.040 And if you want to know more about that story, 1:59:57.080 --> 1:59:59.800 there's eighteen other episodes you can refer to to get 1:59:59.840 --> 2:00:01.280 the to get the ending. 2:00:01.440 --> 2:00:04.280 Yeah, we're not getting into you again. And that was 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:07.960 the Chill Zone. Thanks to our favorite beer cores like it, 2:00:08.160 --> 2:00:14.280 Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight dot com, 2:00:14.320 --> 2:00:21.400 slash gwn and celebrate responsibly. Guys. Those blue mountains keeping 2:00:21.480 --> 2:00:26.160 blue Baby, Well, what a game. 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