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You are listening to the 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, we had 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: the retirement announcement of Julian Edelman. Come out this week. 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: A lot of people were you know, heartbroken and you know, 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: just just hurt that Julian would call it quitch. But 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: after hearing him, you know, announce his retirement, it was 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: was basically it was basically discussed that you know, it 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: was his health and and that you know, that would 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: be the thing I hear. We got Plex back on 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: the line is stretched, there is are we are we 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: fully complete? Now? Yes, sir, we are right there? We 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: go all right. So the the the I guess approach 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: to this conversation for me is there's been a lot 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: of fanfare, a lot of coverage of Julian Edelman and 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: his retirement and all of the conversations that have spawned 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: from it. And one of the biggest conversations, Um and 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: you guys are both receivers. I'm super interested to hear 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: your guys take on it. Is Julian Edelman a Hall 36 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: of Famer. Who want who want to go first? Plex 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: are Yeah, you know what when I heard you know what, 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: when I heard he retired, and then you know it 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: was all the talk about is Julian Edelman and hall 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: of famer. You know what, Plex, Let me go first, 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: Let me go let me go first. And the reason 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: I said I let me. I'm sitting here listening you 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: talk and people will say, oh, Julian Edelman, he shouldn't 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: be at hall. I'm gonna just straight up answer the question. 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. He shouldn't be. Okay, and coming from a receiver, PA, 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: oh you're hayting. No, no, no, I'm hating. I'm keeping 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: it a hunting. I'm being real with you. He's not 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. And oh, he had great playoff success. 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're playing a ton of playoff games 50 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: and you played with the greatest quarterback ever, that's part 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: for the course. Oh he won a Super Bowl MVP. Well, 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: in essence, our man Plexico should be in the Hall 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: of Fame because if I recall, he caught a game 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: winning touchdown to win the Super Bowl against one New 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: England Patriots. And so all I know is plex came 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: into the league before I did. But when this is 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: my criteria for the Hall of Fame, when they say 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: name the top linebackers in the league, if your name 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: doesn't come up in that conversation, ever, you're not a 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. So when you say for the last 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: twelve years name the top receivers in the league. You 62 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: will name fifteen or twenty guys before you get to 63 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman. Julian Edelman had a great career, was a 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: really good player. But the Hall of Fame is the 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: best of the best because of what he did. It's 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: not the Hall of Fame for playoff edition. It's the 67 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for the entire already of your career. 68 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: And so I know Plexico played great, had tremendous success 69 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. He didn't play and in many playoff games, 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: but he was the guy for the Giants when they 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: made that Super Bowl run. I don't hear anybody saying 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Plexico Burr should be going to the Hall of Fame. 73 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: Why is that? Plexico? Hey man? You know, you know 74 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: when you when you look at you know guys going 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, and you know, um, you 76 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: know what they've accomplished. You know, you know your resume 77 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: as far as you know all pros, how many All 78 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Pros did you make? And you know how many Pro 79 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: Bowls did you make? How many Super Bowls did you win? 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: So Shannon Sharp, who was not in the Hall of Fame, 81 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharpe and myself. Sterling had meaning Sterling Sterling, Sterling 82 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Sharp and myself had the same exact numbers. Sterling Sharp 83 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: went to five Pro Bowls and and it was a 84 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: one time All Pro. I didn't make it to any 85 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and my numbers were better than him. So 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of discrepancies as far as who should 87 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: be Google goes into the Hall of Fame. But I'm 88 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: gonna give you this, just like TJ just said, Julian 89 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Edelman a Hall of Famer. Absolutely, not being a good 90 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: being a great playoff wide receiver does not make you 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: in Hall of Famer. And these guys when it comes 92 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: to this wide receiver stuff as far as who should 93 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame, Like I'm all, I 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: get sensitive about it because I know how hard it 95 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: is to play the position and do it at a 96 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: high level and to not be recognized for your body 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: or work. How much. Just thought some names to you. 98 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Tory Halt thirteen thousand, Henry Ella teen thousand, Jimmy Smith 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: twelve thousand, Jimmy Smith was Cold j Smooth, Cliff Branch. 100 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: These guys are still not in the Hall of Fame. 101 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: Tory Halt, Isaac Bruce Tory Halt. He I think he 102 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: was the first wilde receiver NFL has to NFL history 103 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: to have six consecutive thirteen thousand yards sees. This man 104 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: is not in the Hall of Fame. And we're talking 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: about Julie and Edelman, Reggie Wayne. I mean, come on, man, 106 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: we gotta stop this nonsense. Somewhere Julian Edelman and Hall 107 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: of Famer. My stats are blow his out of the water. 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be frank. I know he played with 109 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, played in a gang of playoff games. Six 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty receptions, sixty eight hundred yards. What is that? 111 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Eight nine yards of catch? I don't know. I went 112 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: to Michigan State, so I don't know how many how 113 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: many yards? Because we're talking about thirty six touchdowns him 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. Don't don't, don't even 115 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: take the stats out of it. Thirty six touchdowns and 116 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about Julian Edelman is Hall of face it 117 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: off of receivers. No, if you base it off of 118 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: talent like Julian and Allelman, he can play. And it 119 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: sucks when you do this because it feels like you're 120 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: putting somebody down. I'm not putting up by the dawn. 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling the truth. And that's my point is when 122 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: you say a neighbor top ten receivers in the league, 123 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: you won't even think of him. You wouldn't even think 124 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: of him. People that say the Hall of Fame he 125 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: had a platform in the playoffs that because he was 126 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: with New England Patriots. He started as a quarterback of 127 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: college at Kent State UM, backed up Welsewore. I don't 128 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: think he's better than West Welker, to be honest with you, 129 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and West Walker ain't getting into Hall of Fame. I 130 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: mean he was West Welker's back up. Tell West Left, 131 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: y'all remember how long it y'all, remember how long it 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: took for Art Monk to get into a Hall of Fame. 133 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story about Art Monk. Tell 134 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: us I think I think on the Ferry Verse show. 135 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: I came out of so I grew up in Virginia Beach, Virginia. 136 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: My mother was a was a dive hard Washington football 137 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: team fan. And I used to watch this guy run 138 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: up and down the field, number eighty one and his 139 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: name was Art Monk, and he was the reason why 140 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: I started playing a position. He's the reason why I 141 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: started playing football. And when I made it to when 142 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: we made it to the Super Bowl back in two 143 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, on Meta Day on a Tuesday, they 144 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: asked me, They said, how did you when did you 145 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: start playing football? And what inspired you to play? And 146 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I told the same as that story. I saw. I 147 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: saw a guy ran number eighty one with the same 148 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: skin color his mind, going out diving or diving all 149 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: across the field, making all these great catches. I said, 150 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to be 151 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: like Art Monk. And I paused during the question and 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, excuse me, um, can we 153 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: please put Art Monk in the Hall of Fame. We're 154 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: talking about twenty five years later, and this man was 155 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: still he was Hall of Fame. He was not in 156 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And he was the NFL a 157 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: league leader in history and receptions with like eight hundred 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: and eighty nine receptions to that date, and he was 159 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: still not in the Hall of Fame. And we're talking 160 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: about Julian Edelman. I'll say this, I think that Julian 161 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: Edelman had a fine career I also will say as 162 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: times have changed, and my answer is no, I don't. 163 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't believe he's a Hall of Famer. And we're 164 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: discussing right now the retirement of Julian Edelman and listen, 165 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: I want to celebrate him, but but us doing it 166 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be proper if we didn't have the conversation. I 167 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: think it And to your point, TJ, it's not about 168 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: us putting him down. I think it's actually a conversation 169 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: that gives him a lot of props because we're actually 170 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: having the conversation on you're listening to Dan Patrick's show 171 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: with the up on Game Crew of Warrington, t J. 172 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: Hushman's out of and Plexico Births. You know, my idea 173 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: of it is if the conversation ensues, then there was 174 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: a reason why. And this this conversation has continued to 175 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: circulate and really really kind of grow some legs. So 176 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: I wanted, you know, two of the guys I respect 177 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: the most, to have the opportunity to discuss if he 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: was a Hall of Famer or not. From your opinion, 179 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: let's let's shift gears just a little bit. And you know, 180 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting topic as well. We 181 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: we've discussed they shows about Bill Belichick, and I you know, 182 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: took a lot of heating for saying, you know last 183 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: week that Bill Belichick's seat may get warm if he 184 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have a good season this year. It kind of 185 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: comes back full circle with Julian Edelman as the conversation 186 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: of why I believed his seat could become warm is 187 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: if you can't prove that the Patriot Way is the 188 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Patriot Way because of Bill Belichick and not because of 189 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, then I think that time could could get 190 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: interesting for Bill Belichick and also for the New England Patriots. 191 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: So my next my next thought process on this whole 192 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: topic was, are are we looking at guys as as 193 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level players because of the New England 194 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Patriot Way? Because I look at it like this, Guys, 195 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: if Julian Edelman has to be looked at or is 196 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: being considered and being debated as as a Hall of Famer, 197 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: shouldn't we look at Troy Brown first? Shouldn't we look 198 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: at Dave Patton first? In terms of being a Super 199 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Bowl Oh? I mean you know they, I mean, I 200 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: don't they have more accolades than than Julian Edelman as 201 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: New England Patriots. I mean, there are receivers that have 202 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: come through there that to me, um, we're really good 203 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: players that just maybe weren't a list guys in terms 204 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: of recognition and who they were. Like Canton is the 205 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: best of the best of the best. It's the best 206 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: of the best. It's not the best and oh we'll 207 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: take up this is the best of the best, man, Like, 208 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't people on the national television or they're saying this, 209 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: they don't know and this is kind of just they 210 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: don't understand the game of football. And I'll argue with 211 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: anybody about this. Receivers, you you gotta be able to 212 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: get open in one on one coverage at all times 213 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: on an inside and outside. You can't just sit in 214 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: a slot and run option routes like he had a 215 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: hell of a career. But Canton is the best of 216 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: the best, and Julian Edelman is good, He's not the 217 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: best of the best. All right. Listen, Troy Brown three 218 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: times Super Bowl champ. Sound familiar, Okay, made it two 219 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl in two thousand and one. I mean his 220 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: numbers six thousand, three hundred and sixty six yards. Told, 221 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you a super Bowl MVP from the pagries. 222 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: What about Dion Branch, He was Super Bowl MVP. Dion 223 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: Branch is a great name. Dion Branch is a great name. 224 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. So. Now the question becomes, is this 225 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: based off of Is this based off of the Patrioway? Yes? 226 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: And what does that look like? Because they all had 227 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: Tom Brady as a quarterback. This whole conversation of is 228 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Julian Ellman Hall of Famer is strictly and only based 229 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: off his playoff numbers? Because if you look at every 230 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: statistical category, yards, receptions, he's to lead in any of them, 231 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: He's not. He's not. No. And the playoffs, yes he is. 232 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: He's numbering the playoffs behind Jerry Rice. Yes, he's number 233 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: two in the playoffs. In the playoffs. But but there 234 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: it's that the great qualifier though, No, it's not no 235 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: for the qualification, I thought it was the entirety of 236 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: a career. Not, That's what I thought. What made you 237 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: do on the consistent basis for third twelve or thirteen 238 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: years during your career during the regular season? All right? 239 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Here were you elite during the regular season? Sunday in 240 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: and sunday Ya plexico you how you make it easy. 241 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Ain't name the best receivers in the league. 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Hushman's out up. Let me preface this 290 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: everyone out there that he is a big time LA 291 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: Lakers fan. So with that being said, he may not 292 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: be able to give us a clear, very very you know, 293 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: good take on this, but we're going to still take 294 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: a chance on it. So we had the situation where 295 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder and Kyrie Irving get tangled up at the 296 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: end of the game. Up, you know, clearly the Brooklyn 297 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: Nets are going to lose, and was he salty? Was 298 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: Kyrie salty or was he well intended when the exchange 299 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: between them turned into a situation. Here's Dennis Shrewder's take 300 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: on the situation, and then I'll introduce the rest of 301 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: the topic after this. I didn't know at first that 302 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: we got double technicals when he came up to me. 303 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: That's the first thing. But after that I asked him, 304 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: I kept asking him what he is talking about, and 305 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: he kept talking, kept talking. Then he got kicked out 306 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: or got the second technical, and I just, I mean, 307 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: I said bye, you know, probably I don't even know 308 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: if I raised him. I don't. I probably did. And 309 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: then she said you're going to because he raped that up. 310 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: And I didn't even know I got the you know, 311 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: first technical with him when he came up to me, 312 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: But it happened. I can't take it back and just 313 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: turn the move forward. Now, Okay. This comes after the 314 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: the reports that Dennis Shrewder used the INN word while 315 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: speaking to Kyrie Irving, which in turn inflamed Kyrie. Kyrie 316 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: sang and I quote the N word is a derogatory 317 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: racial slur, Irving wrote on his Twitter after the game. 318 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: He explained that the word will never be a term 319 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: of endearment. Never forget, it's foul and it's true history. 320 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: Throw the INN word out the window, right alongside all 321 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: of those other racist words used to describe my people. 322 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: He added, we are not slaves or ends. So and 323 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: and listen I watched the video. I don't know if 324 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: y'all seen the video. He definitely says it. He definitely 325 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: said it, um and and you know, I'm a good 326 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: lip reader, uh and I saw that that. You know, 327 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: if you if you put it in slow motion and 328 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: you run it back, you definitely can make out that 329 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: he us the word and the slow motion. Brother, you 330 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: got to do your homework, make sure you can come 331 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: on the radio and speak confidently about it. And I 332 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: end up getting no defamation of character calls from any 333 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: lawyers or anything like that. But what's y'all's take on this, man? 334 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Because this is one of those This is one of 335 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: those slippery slope debates for a lot of different reasons, 336 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: for the rap industry, for the you know, the music 337 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: industry in general, you know, for certain you know genres 338 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: of music, uh, movies and entertainment, regular everyday life. That 339 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: word is now and this is crazy to think, but 340 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: that word now, it has even become larger than just 341 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: the specific race of people using the word what what 342 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: say you? To this approach? That was this more of 343 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: Kyrie being upset that they lost lost to the Lakers, 344 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: and and he turned that into parlaying it into a 345 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: bigger topic or was there some was there something there 346 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: where you say, you know what, this is something that 347 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: really needs to be paid attention to. There a lot 348 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: of social unrest going on right now. There's a lot 349 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: of things taking place in terms of uh, you know, 350 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: the mistreatment of racial groups. And obviously when you think 351 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: about that word, that's connected to a lot of the 352 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: struggles and and the fights that are taking place right 353 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: now for for equality and and and different things that 354 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: are are out there. What's your take on this? I mean, 355 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, when the game was wasn't decided 356 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: when Kyrie uh and he when him and Shooter when 357 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: they got into it, it was actually a competitive game. 358 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: The game could have gone either way. It was when 359 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: Kyrie and Shooter got kicked out, the Lakers kind of 360 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: went on a big run and took for the game. 361 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: That word and the black community has become a term 362 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: in endearment for a lot of us. And I'll be 363 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: the first one to admit I say the word, and 364 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: I actually said often and I don't even think about it. 365 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: It just comes out. It's like it just I speak 366 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: it freely. And if Kyrie feels that way about it, 367 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: I respect that. I have no problem with someone not 368 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: wanting to be called a word that he feels is derogatory. 369 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: That's his preference. If I was a friend of his, 370 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: I would try to refrain from using it around him. 371 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: If we are friends. Kyrie has to also understand because 372 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: he's been enlightened and he doesn't use that word. I'm 373 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: sure he wants used that word and for us, And 374 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: when I say us, I mean us black men and 375 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: just women and just the black culture period. We use 376 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: that word as a term of endearment, and so I 377 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: get where Kyrie Iren is coming from. He doesn't like 378 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: that word to be used around him anymore, and it 379 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: will be very tough, in my opinion, to get our 380 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: culture to stop using that word, because we turned something 381 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: that was once a derogatory statement into a term of endearment. 382 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you two use it, but again, 383 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: do you know you know I use it and it 384 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: almost used it as much as you do. And for me, 385 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: it's it's all love. But I can respect where Kyrie 386 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: is coming from. The thing that I don't get what 387 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Kyrie is. You played twenty games last year. You didn't 388 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: play in the bubble. You didn't want people to play 389 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: in the bubble. You get kicked out of the game, 390 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: and then you don't play the next game. Be there 391 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: for your teammates. They need you on the court. They 392 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: care more about you being on the court. If you 393 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: want to be a socialist and impact your community, that's great, 394 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: but your teammates need you. You should have played the 395 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: next game. If you're physically able to play. You're an athlete. 396 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: You get paid to play basketball games. Play basketball games. 397 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: With all that being said, you know the vast stating 398 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: that we know that through to you know definitely, you 399 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: know use the N word, and it's a word that 400 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: you know we use, and you know I use. I 401 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: wish we could say it, I really do. I hate 402 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: that we got to say N word, but go ahead, 403 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: But I really didn't understand why the referee got in 404 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: between these two guys and kick them out for having 405 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: a heated conversation basically, so to speak. You know, clearly 406 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: the NBA is not in the early eighties, late eighties, nineties, 407 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of those things were going 408 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: on and it would just looked at as normal, so 409 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: to speak. So for the referee to kick both of 410 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: those guys out of the game for I guess shooter 411 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: using the N word and them having a confrontation. I've 412 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: never witnessed a referee eject two guys from from a 413 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: basketball game if the interaction or the words between the 414 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: player between the referee so like there was no physical 415 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: contact but between the two. So he just should have 416 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: gave him the technical, you know, the first technical and 417 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: kept it moving. But why he got involved with those 418 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: two guys in the in the verbiage that was spit 419 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: out between the two and he had no interaction or 420 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't directed towards him, that he thought that it 421 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: was derogatory enough to kick those guys, the guys out 422 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: of the game for having to hear the conversation that 423 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: that's just something that that that I won't understand. And 424 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: and it was the first time that both of those 425 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: guys have ever been ejected from a basketball game. So 426 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: not not saying that you know, they you know, they 427 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: have an image that is, you know, clean or whatever 428 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the case may be. But you know, as long as 429 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: I've known, uh, you know, Schroeder and and Kylerie Irving 430 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: on the court, all they really do is just go 431 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: out and play basketball when they when they're available, and 432 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: and and it go out and compete and do it 433 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: at a high level. So I didn't understand why they 434 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Revere kick those guys out. You know. Secondly, you know, 435 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on, you know in 436 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: this world. You know, as we see and and and 437 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: certain people, you know, during this time, you know, everybody 438 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: is a little sensitive to us being thrown at them. 439 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: You know what, it doesn't matter you know, what color 440 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: you are, where you come from, or there's there's a 441 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: lot of different things going on in this world that 442 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: that that that people are more sense two with everything 443 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: that's going on. You know, Kyrie's right, you know, Shrewder 444 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: was wrong or whatever the case may be. But just 445 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: like you know TJ said, if he wants to go 446 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: out and you know, and you know, you know, get 447 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: into the communities and socialism and all those things, that 448 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: that's his deal. But as far as when it comes 449 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: to playing basketball into you know, the commented, you know, 450 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: in that context, you know, you know, Kyrie IRV is 451 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: from New Jersey, you know, Irvington right down the street, 452 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: which is a predominantly you know, black community. So I'm 453 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: pretty sure that he has heard this word or used 454 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: it a few times himself. I'm just I'm just saying 455 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: so it doesn't make it right or wrong. But you know, 456 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: I looking back at it, you know, I don't think 457 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: the referee should have got in between those guys and 458 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: objected them for just, you know, a word that I 459 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: guess the referee thought it was the relatory to him, 460 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, and he those guys out of the game. 461 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: So it just never should have happened at the end 462 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: of the day. My my take on it. First off, 463 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: I can always remember the first time I really got 464 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: acclimated to the word and the reason why I just 465 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: so it's not misconstrue when I said I wish we 466 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: could say the word. Um, the reason why I say 467 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: that is is because now saying in word really really 468 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: makes it into you know, like a taboo situation. Right. 469 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: So it's it's like I literally used the word and 470 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: then I got acclimated to it through Tupac. I mean, 471 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: I'm just be honest with you. When I heard him 472 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: say never ignorant, getting getting gold to accomplish, I thought 473 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: that was pretty dope. Um. I love Tupac's music. I 474 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: subscribe to his messaging and how he you know, how 475 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: he flowed, and I kind of got acclimated into, um, 476 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: what that represented. Now, Have I always used the word 477 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: with the idea of termament of endearment or or you know, 478 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: the empowerment of taking a negative word and using it 479 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: positively and spinning it. No, I'd be lying. I'd be 480 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: disingenuous if I was saying that. It just became a habit. 481 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: It's a it's a word that is almost like saying, 482 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, homie, buddy, my guy. Whatever it may be, 483 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: it's it's a part of it became a part of 484 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: my language, and I got a pretty good vocabulary, so 485 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: it's not as though I'm ignorant, but I can understand 486 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: when the conversation turns into this is a conversation I 487 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: heard enlightened. It can turn into a conversation of enlightenment 488 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: versus ignorance. And I'm not necessarily sure that that's really 489 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: the road to go down on this, you know, to 490 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: be honest with you, During the course of that game, 491 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: there's probably ten different words that that Kyrie could have said, 492 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: don't use that word. It's a derogatory term. And it 493 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: could have been a female dog, it could have been 494 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: a mother sucker. It could have been you know what, 495 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: it could have been a lot of different terms that 496 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure within the parameters of what took place in 497 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: the game, that there were derogatory terms that were taking 498 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: place during the trash talk exchanges between players. So, for 499 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: first off, I would I would ultimately jump out there 500 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: and say that in the in the I guess the 501 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: parameters of competing in a game, trash talk has always 502 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: been a part of sport. And and I'll be the 503 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: first one to tell you if I could say something 504 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: to you that is going to get you off of 505 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: your game, Like like if I knew if I was 506 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: playing right now and this took place, and I knew 507 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: I had him on my on my schedule, do you 508 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: understand what I would do to him if we were 509 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: on the field together. Every time I tackle him, every 510 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: time I hit him, do you understand what I'm doing 511 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: to him? Because to me playing the game and being 512 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: a part of competition, people say, oh, well, that's not 513 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: good sportsmanship, and this, that and the other, and to 514 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: die I don't care if you think it's good sportsmanship 515 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: or if it fits into your parameters of what's morally sound. 516 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: And morally correct. I'm trying to get I'm trying to 517 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: get ahead. I'm trying to get an advantage. And if 518 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: I can get a mental emotional advantage if you're not physical, 519 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: but if I can get all of those boxes checked off, 520 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: physical advantage, mental advantage, emotional advantage, if I could take 521 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: you out of your game, I'm gonna take you out 522 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: of your game, and you just have to be prepared 523 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: to deal with that. So, you know, I think that 524 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: the dangerous part of what Kyrie Irving did here not 525 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: saying he's right or wrong. I mean you certainly you know, 526 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: with everything that's going on, you want to raise the 527 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: awareness because of all of the hate that is circulating 528 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: in our world. But I also would urge to say, 529 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: when you sit there and you try to do it 530 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: in the context of painting shrewder in a way like 531 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: he's this ignorant dude that shouldn't use those that word 532 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: around him, and people should pay attention to throw that 533 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: word out and don't use it anymore, and this, that 534 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: and the other. You're within the parameters of competitive sport 535 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: and you're all adults. So to me, you have to 536 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: look at it from the perspective of how you're presenting 537 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: your argument and presenting what it is that that you 538 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: have going on. If it's social activism, active activists work 539 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: that you're doing, which he has been a part of that, 540 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: I get that. I get that you want to continue 541 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: to move your agenda and keep things moving that way, 542 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: and if you're using that as a platform for change, 543 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: I get that. But I look at Shrewder and I'm like, well, 544 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: don't paint this kid into us, or this guy into 545 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: a situation where you're making him out to be some 546 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: type of villain when he's you know, kind of he's competing. 547 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna say things and do things. The person that 548 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: I was on the football field was not the person 549 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: I was walking around as an everyday person. The things 550 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: I say and do and how I say and do 551 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: them are very, very vastly different than how I am 552 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: when I was on the competitive field or court or 553 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So I felt like that it 554 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: was kind of it makes sense what Kyrie is saying, 555 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: and I do believe in the grand scheme of things. 556 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: The more you understand that you, in a lot of 557 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: ways perpetuate how some people view us and fill us, 558 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, I've heard a lot of people justify calling 559 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: people the end word with the hard hard er at 560 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: the end versus the g A right, and said, well, 561 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: you guys call yoursel each other that you use it, 562 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: why can't I use it? You know, there is a 563 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: lot of things that can be interpreted um from the word. 564 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: There are a lot of meanings connected to the word. 565 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: But in this in this instance, in this particular one guys, 566 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: I kind of felt like, you know, I don't know, 567 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, you can you can say that upset you, 568 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: and you could say that, you know, Shrewder shouldn't use it. 569 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: But I almost felt like, maybe that's that's one of 570 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: those conversations that you have with Shrewder, and I don't 571 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: know that you turn that into the biggest public spectacle 572 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: um based upon you know, the situation. 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For the NFC does the self the 614 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: self ordained America's team? Is there a window open or 615 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: is it closing? Um in terms of the opportunity to 616 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: be the team that comes out of the NFC. Oh, 617 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: for for me, it's open now, it's not as wide 618 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: open as it once was. When that offensive line was 619 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: plowing guys off the ball. Um, they were pretty much 620 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: running a ball at Will Dak was on his ricky contract. Um, 621 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: it's not that type of window. We're not talking about that, 622 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: but they have a slight window. This for me, this 623 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: is the year because after this year, they're gonna have 624 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: to make They're gonna they're gonna have to make a 625 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: decision on Zeke and Amari Cooper. And if you look 626 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: at it, contractually, Amari Cooper is probably going to be 627 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: the odd guy out and so they gonna have to 628 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: really do some damage this year. And when you look 629 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: at the division, it's actually benefitting to the Cowboys that 630 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: the Eagles new head coach, in essence quarterback that's gonna start, 631 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts that hasn't really started a season out 632 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: as a start in the National Football League. The Redskins 633 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: or excuse me, the Washington Football Team, new quarterback, great defense, 634 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: but new quarterback. And then and then you have the 635 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: Giants with Daniel Jones, they got him, Kenny Galladay, they 636 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: got in some new weapons. Um, Gettlement is on a 637 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: hot seat. What are they going to be? So for me, 638 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: the window was open because of the vision the Cowboys 639 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: are in. H can they stay healthy and if they can, 640 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: then they have a chance. I love this time with 641 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: the year and when the NFL season is right around 642 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: the corner, because every year about this time it's always 643 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in this year is the year. Every years. 644 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's been this year for the last twenty 645 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: five seasons and nothing happened, nothing has changed. So I 646 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: just sitting amazing. You know, every time I'm over, every 647 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: time I see Skip Skip Bayless. We you know, we 648 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: joked back and forth and he always tells me that 649 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in two thousand and seven was luck 650 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: and Dallas had a better football team than us, and 651 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: I just laugh and laugh and laugh. But you know what, 652 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, they just can't stop anybody. And that's 653 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: been the achilles heel for the last four or five years. 654 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: They just stink at defense. They're terrible. They can't stop 655 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: anybody that they can't stop the big play guys catch out. 656 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: I think they're defensive secondary and got caught the most 657 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: twenty yard passes in league league history last last season 658 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: to rank twenty eighth on defenses, which is which is 659 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: only four from the bottom. And then they're talking about 660 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: the NFL drafting and you look at the guys that 661 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: they're trying to bring in. They're all defense because they 662 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: know that they can't stop anybody. They they really don't 663 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: have an explosive offense to the point to where where 664 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: they they can put up twenty eight thirty five points 665 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: a game. They don't have that style of offense. So 666 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: if they have to be able to stop somebody, if 667 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: they want to compete, even in the NFC least, that's 668 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: what I call it. They have to be able to 669 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: stop people. And you know, Patrick Peterson wanted to go 670 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: to Dallas. I don't know what happened with that whole 671 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: whole deal. I don't know. I don't know why they 672 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: let Patrick Peterson get out of the door from Arizona 673 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: and make his way to Minnesota. I have no idea, 674 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: but obviously obviously they know they know that they have 675 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,959 Speaker 1: to be able to stop people, because they just signed 676 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler and a J Boy, two matching corners who 677 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: are better than the guys that they currently have, who 678 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: can match match up with guys on the outside one 679 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 1: on one. But every year about this time, man, it's 680 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: always the same thing. This is the year for the 681 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and it just hasn't been the year for 682 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years. This is addressed the elephant 683 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: in the room. And you know, with looking at the 684 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: NFC least, this might be the year again going into 685 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: the twenty six years now that they might be able to, 686 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: you know, win the NFC East and you know, win 687 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: a playoff game and you know, make a run in 688 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But you know, I just can't hang my 689 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: hat on the Dallas Cowboys based off of of what 690 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,959 Speaker 1: I've been looking at. Hopefully with Dak Prescott coming back, 691 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: the offense will be more efficient in the passing game 692 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: and they can get Ezekiel l back going in the 693 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: running game. You know, I think the sky's the limit 694 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: for Ceedee Lamb. I think he's a phenomenal I think 695 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal talent to be teamed up with the 696 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: Mark Cooper. But I just have to see something differently 697 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: from them. Offensively and defensively, they have to be able 698 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: to stop people. And if they can't stop people, that 699 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they really have that explosive offense that 700 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: can go out and put up thirty five points a game. 701 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: I'm what you, Plex, I'm with you on this one, 702 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: and listen you you stayed in the NFC East. I 703 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: think the window is open TJ for them to possibly 704 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: contend for the NFC East this year. They having a 705 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: rare talent and weapons on offense. They actually have talent 706 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: an array of talent on defense as well. They've just underachieved, 707 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: so to me, I think that they could have an opportunity. 708 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: We saw the Giants take a step forward and the 709 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 1: type of team that they, you know, ultimately became. During 710 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: last season, we saw the Washington football team take a 711 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: tremendous step forward. I would say today the Washington Football 712 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: team is probably the front runners for the NFC East. 713 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: If if I were just taking a stab at it today. 714 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: But once you come up out of that NFC East 715 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: and you go all the way into the National Football League, Fellas, 716 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 1: I just don't see it. And I'm with you, Plex 717 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: on the idea of the Cowboys. Have not shown me 718 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: anything that would make me believe that they could be 719 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: trusted in a big game. We have yet to see 720 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: them show a big game. You're just talking division. Well, 721 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: well here's the vision. Who has the best quarterback in 722 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: the division. Well again, in the division. Chance. I give 723 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: them props that they can possibly pull it out in 724 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,720 Speaker 1: the division, But once you get into the idea of 725 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: what that looks like in the playoffs or even outside 726 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: of the division, I just don't see them being a 727 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: team that has shown me that they would be able 728 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: to get past the top tier teams. I don't consider 729 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys a top tier team in the NFL 730 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: in the NFC, Like when I look at the NFC, 731 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: I look at Tampa Bay, I feel like the Rams 732 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: are right there, Green Bay, They're always right there. I 733 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: believe the Cardinals are going to be a much improved 734 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: team this year. The Saints could possibly be a better 735 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: team than what they were this season. I just think 736 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: that there are too many teams out there in the 737 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: NFC that are way too good for me to sit 738 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: there and think that the window of opportunity is opened 739 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: for Dallas. And looking at Ezekiel Elliott, who was the 740 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: catalyst for this team, he has not been the same 741 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: ever since he's received that new deal. I don't know 742 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: what the reasoning is. If it's the offensive line on 743 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: line is not the same, Okay, well, so then it 744 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: leads me to believe that they have to you know, 745 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: McCarthy and this office, this team is going to have 746 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: to embrace in an idea of learning how to win 747 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: in a different way. You're not going to overpower defenses 748 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: with your offensive line at this point, I think that 749 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: that's safe to say. So you're going to have to 750 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: be able to win the game by either a being 751 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: able to throw the ball way more efficiently and effectively 752 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 1: to win games, not just for stats, be you're going 753 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: to have to figure out how to get the running 754 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: game going where it culminates what your passing game is 755 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: going to be and how is that going to take place. 756 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't trust that they'll be able to establish the 757 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: run with Ezekiel Elliott, and I don't know that that 758 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott can be any better than what he has 759 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: been as a quarterback. And if he is at that 760 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: that level where he's playing it staty wins wise. We 761 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: always lean on that to make the argument that Dak 762 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: is a is a next level franchise quarterback in the 763 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: National Football League. I respect his stat line. I respect 764 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: what he's accomplished wins and losses wise, I just don't 765 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: see him showing me that he can win the big 766 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: game as of yet. I need to see more. I 767 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: need to see more, and and I don't know what 768 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to see after the injury. Um So to me, 769 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: I look at this Dallas team. I think they're more 770 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: of a question mark. And it's safer to say that 771 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: the window, which you would have to assume that they 772 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: were competitive in the first place, to say that the 773 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: window is closing on them to have the opportunity. But 774 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: I think once that offensive line kind of went downhill 775 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: and started getting the injuries and now they're aging. I 776 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: just don't look at this this Dallas team changing its 777 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: personality enough to be able to contend with the superpowers, 778 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 1: the Titans, so to speak. Within the NFC. Guys, Well, 779 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: that's what Mike McCarthy, well, I mean, he did have 780 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but that was his DNA and Green Bay. 781 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: He he got pounded because he wouldn't run the ball, 782 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: and so in that sense, that's what he wants to do. 783 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: It's pass the ball. And I've always been of the 784 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: opinion when you pay a quarterback top quarterback money like 785 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have given Dak. You gotta put the ball 786 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: in his hands, the ball throw a fifty times a game, though, 787 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: you gotta throw a forty, and you gotta throw a 788 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: forty and we get this lead when and when we 789 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: get the lead, that's where we run the ball. And 790 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: so Mike when had a dope defense in Green Bay, 791 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: they went, they weren't So they weren't dope, they were 792 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: solid and Mike and they were mc didn't throwing the 793 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: ball fifty times a game because he had a guy 794 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: got Aaron Rodgers. Right, that's why you go forty? Why 795 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: why run it if you could throw fifty five. Yeah, 796 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: there's at least two to three Hall of famers that 797 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,240 Speaker 1: was on that defense that Mike McCarthy had. Right, one's 798 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: already in, right, one's already in. Charles Woodson, Charles Wilson, 799 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: Peppers is going to go in. Come on, man, you 800 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: actually you're talking about guys that had a cup of 801 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: clay fee there Clay. No, those guys, those guys were 802 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: Hall of famers before they got two. Yeah, but they 803 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: were also Hall of famers in the way that they 804 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: played while Yeah, but they weren't they weren't there long enough. 805 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: Like Green Bay, they've they've never run the ball well 806 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: and they've never had a great defense. Until the last 807 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: few years they have good. Can't say you can't. You 808 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: can't say never they have run the ball particularly well 809 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: in certain years. Yeah, I think you're I think you're 810 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: undervaluing that that defense that they had the year they 811 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl with Mike McCarthy, they had when 812 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: they want it, And what about the years where they 813 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,240 Speaker 1: can't win a playoff game? Okay, but we're saying, we're 814 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: saying if we're basing it off of what Mike McCarthy 815 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: had when he had his success in Green Bay, that's 816 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: what I'm basing it off of. I don't I I 817 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 1: think that when Mike McCarthy has the ability to take 818 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: chances because he's got a a world beating quarterback and 819 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: be a defense that can help him out when when 820 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,760 Speaker 1: they get into situations, or can give them the ability 821 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: to play from in front, I think that that's that's 822 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: a great combination. That's a great formula for any coach 823 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: to have. But I don't know that they have the 824 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: ability to do that in Dallas. I think Mike McCarthy 825 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: had a great defense in OH seven, but they just 826 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 1: ran into a bus, so you go. I think I 827 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: thought that. Hey, when he said, oh Saven, I was 828 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 1: laughing inside. I didn't hold it. I couldn't hold it. Hey, Hey, 829 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: when I can to the NFC East in two thousand 830 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: and five, and Leval, you played you played in the 831 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: in the NFC East, and and and we've competed against 832 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 1: each other several times. Yep, I honestly thought that the 833 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: NFC East fifteen years ago was arguably the best division 834 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: in football. Arguably it was competitive every week. And you know, 835 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,280 Speaker 1: we didn't like each other in the NFC East, didn't 836 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: like each other. We didn't like each other at all. 837 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's just a shame to see what 838 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: the NFC East where it is now. And if you 839 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: win seven games, you win the division. Didn't get into 840 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's just unfortunate. But with all that being said, 841 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: and they wasn't the team that did it. Think about 842 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: that right exactly that did it? So I just don't 843 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,720 Speaker 1: find out hard. I find it hard to go from 844 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 1: being that team when what's what's the DNA change? You 845 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: change the defensive coordinator, What's what's the what's the real 846 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,359 Speaker 1: DNA change from this team that that underachieved this this 847 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: past season and and we'll talk about this and then 848 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: coming up after this break, you're listening to the Dan 849 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Show with up on Game crew Leavar Arrington, t J. Hushman, 850 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: Zada and Plexico Burrs. But to me, well, you know 851 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: you're not going to have what it looks like a 852 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: great offseason again in terms of being able to prepare. 853 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: What is the DNA change of Dallas for them to 854 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: become this team that has a window of opportunity open 855 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: to getting out of the NFC and representing the NFC 856 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: as the champion of the division. I don't I don't 857 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: see it. They had, in my opinion, as good a 858 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: chance to anybody in that division. They have the best quarterback. 859 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: Um again, the offensive line just stay if they can 860 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: stay healthy. Um, theif the NFC East, Yes, And I'm saying, 861 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: if you win your division, you're in the playoffs, and 862 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: so you worry about that first. You win your division, 863 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: you're guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Can they contend 864 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: with the other other the other teams say, say, your 865 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: theory holds true, can make it out of the East. 866 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: Can they contend with the other teams from the last 867 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 1: time I seen them play and where we stand today. No, 868 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: But as we know, things change come September. Confidence breeds 869 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 1: success brings confidence, and so if they get out to 870 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: a good start, they're gonn feel really good about themselves 871 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: right now, absolutely not, no way, no how, and my 872 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: man Rob Parker's voice. But come September, you never know, 873 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: Rob Parker, get right to the romance and find the 874 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: way to wow this Valentine's with one eye hundred flowers 875 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: dot com. From classic roses and bouquets to decadent chocolate 876 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: covered berries, gourmet treats and more. Surprise your Valentine with 877 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. 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