Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chuck here on a hopefully lovely Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 1: wherever you are. And this week, everybody, we are going
Speaker 1: to re release the episode on no fly zones. I
Speaker 1: think for obvious reasons. What's going on. They're in Ukraine
Speaker 1: with Russia's invasion and the idea of a no fly
Speaker 1: zone being requested by Ukraine America saying we can't really
Speaker 1: do that. Uh, the international community debating whether or not
Speaker 1: no fly zone is a good idea in this case,
Speaker 1: it's very complicated situation. Hopefully this episode that we recorded
Speaker 1: and shed some light on that. Although it is from
Speaker 1: quite a few years ago, it's basically still the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's not super complicated. Uh. And you can decide for
Speaker 1: yourself whether or not you think we should as Americans
Speaker 1: wade into those waters right now. So here we go
Speaker 1: with how no fly zones work. Welcome to Stuff you
Speaker 1: should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W.
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant mad as heck and he's not gonna take
Speaker 1: it anymore. I said, heck. I revised a classic movie
Speaker 1: quote in the heck Yeah Network man have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that? Have you seen that recently? I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: It was on Netflix streaming and I had hit my instinct.
Speaker 1: Cuban passed it up, Well you should watch it again
Speaker 1: because you'll watch it now and go. Man, when was
Speaker 1: this made so far ahead of its time? Really as
Speaker 1: far as like how things are in the media, like, uh,
Speaker 1: coma yeah, but when you watch network back then, people
Speaker 1: said things like how ridiculous, like stuff like this could
Speaker 1: never happen. Oh, I see it's prescient right, very much.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll have to watch it then. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good one. That's uh is it? Like? Um, what
Speaker 1: is it? What's that Aaron Sorkin show? I don't like
Speaker 1: a news hour that? Yeah, that just thinks? Is that
Speaker 1: what it's called? News out? Newsroom? Yeah. I didn't care
Speaker 1: for it other than the fact that it stars our
Speaker 1: guest starred, Mr Paul Schneider, who's one of my one
Speaker 1: of my boys. So uh, sometimes people accuse that show
Speaker 1: being preachy. What do you think? I just I'm not
Speaker 1: a sworking guy, so he's a little worthy for me.
Speaker 1: I liked West Wing. I didn't watch it. You never
Speaker 1: watched West Wing, not one episode guarantee you you would
Speaker 1: like it. You think it was he I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, but it was like his his masterpiece from beginning.
Speaker 1: I'm not kid Chuck. I'm telling you, this is somebody
Speaker 1: who didn't like Studio sixty, who doesn't like Newsroom West
Speaker 1: Wing from beginning to end was just really great. I'll
Speaker 1: try it, but I swear the way that guy writes,
Speaker 1: I'm always just like nobody talks. I'm with you, I'm
Speaker 1: totally with you. But this cast of characters, the characters
Speaker 1: that he wrote, the actors, they pulled it off. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a give a shot do Paul Schneider's not
Speaker 1: on it. I'm come into your house this afternoon and
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch them. Okay, okay, uh so, I guess
Speaker 1: that's the segway for no flyes on. Not a bad
Speaker 1: setup because this is political and presidential. I have something,
Speaker 1: actually have a bit of an intro. Okay, well, let's
Speaker 1: let's hear it. You've heard of the Wright brothers, Dayton's Pride,
Speaker 1: Orville and Wilbur Wright. Oh yeah, can joined twins? Yes?
Speaker 1: No they weren't, but they did fly. They did build
Speaker 1: the first airplane. Yes, that flew and they flew it
Speaker 1: out at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. And after they had
Speaker 1: that flight, actually I think before they undertook that flight,
Speaker 1: while they were still in the development stage, they went
Speaker 1: to the United States government and said, hey, War Department,
Speaker 1: you want in on this action. Not once, not twice,
Speaker 1: but thrice did the War Department turn the Right Brothers down,
Speaker 1: say what good our planes in the warfare? Exactly Luckily
Speaker 1: there was a very smart person heading the Post Office
Speaker 1: Department who said, Okay, maybe you shouldn't drop bricks out
Speaker 1: of air planes onto people's heads, but we could use
Speaker 1: this to deliver the mail. Martin ben Ostrin right to
Speaker 1: heck with the auto gyro, We're gonna start using this
Speaker 1: Wright Brothers plane to deliver mail. And for three years
Speaker 1: the only aircraft that were in service under the United
Speaker 1: States government was for delivering mail. And then a postal
Speaker 1: carrier and as a pilot accidentally dropped a mail bomb
Speaker 1: and they went, wow, that's a good idea, works very well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It didn't take very long for the War Department and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, okay, maybe we should use this. And
Speaker 1: then by nineteen fourteen, the aviation section of the Signal
Speaker 1: Corps was set up and all of a sudden, planes
Speaker 1: were militarized. Within just years of their invention, they were
Speaker 1: being used to murder people. Yeah, and this article points
Speaker 1: out in seven Spanish Fastest dropped a bunch of bombs
Speaker 1: on the town of Guernica. A hundred thousand pounds of
Speaker 1: explosives killed sixteen hundred people. And yeah, well, not only
Speaker 1: was it the explosive, people were running on a down
Speaker 1: and they were gunning them down for millions. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's what fascists do. As outrageous and horrible as that is,
Speaker 1: it was definitely the beginning of what would be a
Speaker 1: long romance in warfare with the plane. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: the red baron Eddie Rick and Backer. Uh. They're a
Speaker 1: very long, bloody history associated with planes and war. Um.
Speaker 1: When the fascists in Spain used planes to take out
Speaker 1: a lot of civilians, the world was, you know, appropriately disgusted.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a whole lot that could be done. It
Speaker 1: actually wasn't until the very early nineteen nineties that people
Speaker 1: figured out a way to use planes to thwart planes
Speaker 1: from being used against civilian populations by their own government. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought no fly zones had been around long before that,
Speaker 1: So this was very eye opening. I had no idea
Speaker 1: that it was in the nineteen nineties when they first
Speaker 1: did this. Right, no fly zones are new. They've only
Speaker 1: been used three times. Like it just seems like there's
Speaker 1: just it's something that they just commonly do. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of a big deal to issue no flies one.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because what you're doing is
Speaker 1: intervening in a sovereign nation, undermining the power of the
Speaker 1: ruler of that nation, choosing sides in a way. You're saying,
Speaker 1: at the very least, I'm not gonna let you just
Speaker 1: slaughter these civilians. I'm not going to cast my lot
Speaker 1: one way or the other. Really, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: protect these civilians. And uh, it takes a United Nations
Speaker 1: mandate to to even get started, that's right. So, um,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the first one. Yes, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's harken back to the spring of nine. I'm in
Speaker 1: college drinking a lot of beer. That's where I first
Speaker 1: discovered beer. I was drinking a lot of beer too,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't in college. Well, I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 1: was about um. So I remember sitting around and watching
Speaker 1: like this stuff on CNN for the first time, like
Speaker 1: being interested in politics really for the first time. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of when I got into stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the first war that was really televised. I mean,
Speaker 1: Vietnam was, but this was the one that this is
Speaker 1: the first one that had like twenty four hour coverage.
Speaker 1: Was the goal was the first goal four And it
Speaker 1: was spectacular to watch. Uh, it was pretty enthralling, especially
Speaker 1: when you're you know, twenty years old and you're sitting
Speaker 1: around with your friends drinking beer. Yeah, like look at
Speaker 1: that's good. Safe in Athens, Georgia. Um, so what happened
Speaker 1: There was a guy named Saddam Hussein he Um was
Speaker 1: not doing very nice things to the people in Kuwait
Speaker 1: well well put and the Curtish minority in northern Iraq
Speaker 1: was encouraged by American radio broadcast two Revolt, like take
Speaker 1: a stand, and so they did. And Sadam Hussein Um
Speaker 1: sent gunships and with napalm and chemical weapons and helicopters,
Speaker 1: because that's that's what you do. That's what he does
Speaker 1: when you have a civilian population that's unhappy with your rule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they fled. Basically hundreds of thousands of them,
Speaker 1: uh Kurtish civilians fled um and sort of got wedged
Speaker 1: there at the Turkish border. Yeah, because the Turks were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we feel for you, but stay there, so don't cross
Speaker 1: over here. They didn't have food and water. And H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush President George H. W. Bush and allies in Europe said,
Speaker 1: you know what, oh boy, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do here because we kind of encourage these people to
Speaker 1: do this and now they're stuck in a between a
Speaker 1: rock and a hard place. And but we really don't
Speaker 1: think we should invade and remove Sadam Hussein like with
Speaker 1: all of our might. Yeah, let's give another ten twelve
Speaker 1: years exactly. Or we could go to the U n
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, how about passing a resolution against
Speaker 1: this guy? Right what they did, but they did. They said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna um deliver humanitarian aid to these Kurds who
Speaker 1: are trapped along the Turkish border, and Hussein, if you
Speaker 1: do anything to interfere, we're going to bomb you. We're
Speaker 1: going to take on your guys that you send interfere
Speaker 1: at the very least right um. And not only that,
Speaker 1: we're establishing a safe zone for these people it's above
Speaker 1: the thirty six parallel, and uh, if you send any
Speaker 1: planes over there, we're gonna take them on. So this
Speaker 1: is what we're going to call a no fly zone.
Speaker 1: It was the first one, and Saddam Hussein went, no
Speaker 1: fly zone. I've never heard of such a thing. That's stupid,
Speaker 1: And the UN said that's because this brand new jerk, right,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I'm the first one. He went first. First,
Speaker 1: he's so um they did this, and then second no
Speaker 1: fly zone um south of the thirty second parallel was
Speaker 1: established to protect the Shiite Muslims, who also rose up
Speaker 1: under the encouragement of the United States. If you're interested
Speaker 1: in this kind of thing, check out Three Kings. It
Speaker 1: was a lot to do about that. It was after
Speaker 1: the uprisings had started, and also after the time the
Speaker 1: United States didn't support them. Remember the one scene where
Speaker 1: when the guy made Marky Mark drink the oil. That
Speaker 1: was hardcore man, a little over the ham fisted of
Speaker 1: David o' rusty. Think you don't like that guy that
Speaker 1: you get problems with him? No, I like Three Kings
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, what else has he done that I've
Speaker 1: seen Silver Linx playbook? He didn't like. I thought it
Speaker 1: was okay. Yeah, see, you don't love him, But I
Speaker 1: like Three Kings a lot. I thought that was a
Speaker 1: good movie. Yeah, me too. Uh So, no fly zone
Speaker 1: is going on Sodom Hussein violates said no fly zone.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, well, what's gonna happen. Let me send
Speaker 1: some jets up there. And we responded by or the
Speaker 1: coalition I should say, responded by shooting down these aircraft
Speaker 1: or destroying just you know, military targets on the ground.
Speaker 1: Because that's as we found out, one of the parts
Speaker 1: of a no fly zone to be effective is to
Speaker 1: also bomb like radar equipment and stuff on the ground
Speaker 1: that can get jets up in the air and guide
Speaker 1: them disabled. Their force can also find your jets. So
Speaker 1: you want to disable their force, like you said, but
Speaker 1: you also want to protect your own force. The thing was,
Speaker 1: this is very new. Uh The U N was a
Speaker 1: little squeamish at the idea of undermining again a sovereign
Speaker 1: ruler a jerk, everyone agreed, but still a sovereign ruler
Speaker 1: and kind of one of the stabilizing forces of the
Speaker 1: Middle East, whether the US liked it or not. Um
Speaker 1: So they just kind of said, yeah, protect these people,
Speaker 1: but just really you got to take it all in
Speaker 1: a case by case basis. Can't be the least bit aggressive.
Speaker 1: You have to be completely reactive. And even then maybe
Speaker 1: we should just kind of chase him out of the
Speaker 1: no flies him rather than shoot him down over time
Speaker 1: after sortie after sortie after shorty. They started just by attrition,
Speaker 1: wearing down Hussain's defenses and his um, his air force
Speaker 1: just because he kept sending him man and we kept
Speaker 1: shooting him down until two thousand three, when we, you know,
Speaker 1: went in in full force and took out Sadam Hussein. Right,
Speaker 1: the northern part and the southern part of Iraq was
Speaker 1: off limits to Sadam Hussein for twelve years his own country.
Speaker 1: There was a wide swath in the middle that he
Speaker 1: could move around him, but anything else he wasn't allowed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so those are the that's the first use of the
Speaker 1: no fly zone ever, right. Uh. In the early nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: when Yugoslavia broke up, um NATO forces said, all right,
Speaker 1: how about another no fly zone. We're going to authorize
Speaker 1: this one. It's over the breakaway region of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Speaker 1: It was called Operation Denied Flight, which is terrible little
Speaker 1: on the nose if you want to talk about on
Speaker 1: the David R. Russell named said mission, and it was
Speaker 1: gonna block Bosnian Serbs who controlled all the military aircraft
Speaker 1: in that region, right, and who were using it against
Speaker 1: all of their neighbors that they were um going to
Speaker 1: war against, specifically the Um Muslims, Yeah, Serbian Muslims, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: in a big way. Yeah. Um. So the I guess
Speaker 1: NATO undertook that no fly zone that was number two. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and uh, that was a little more aggressive. I believe
Speaker 1: they went after they'd learned from you know, I guess
Speaker 1: about eight years of the Iraqi no fly zone that
Speaker 1: you really they kind of have to go after like
Speaker 1: military installations and anything that can be used to violate
Speaker 1: the no fly zone, and maybe even go a little
Speaker 1: step further as punishment, like not only is is are
Speaker 1: we gonna shoot down your plane, We're gonna maybe blow
Speaker 1: up your base and pants you right in front of everyone. Right.
Speaker 1: So that was the second no fly zone. The third
Speaker 1: was even more aggressive, Yeah, against Khadafi just a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago in two thousand eleven, that's right, And
Speaker 1: it lasted about six months, I believe. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: extremely effective. Yeah, well that's because they authorized, um quote,
Speaker 1: all necessary measures to protect the Libyan civilians. And that
Speaker 1: was uh, you know, that meant a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of bombs being dropped, a lot of cruise missiles
Speaker 1: taking out bases on land. And this one was named
Speaker 1: by Angle. It was called Operation Odyssey Dawn. It was
Speaker 1: the result of U N Security Council Resolution ninety three,
Speaker 1: which is confused using because it was carried out in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. That's right, But basically it said, you guys,
Speaker 1: we think Kadafi is totally nut so um and he's
Speaker 1: gonna kill a lot of his own people. Go in
Speaker 1: there and declare all of Libya no fly zone. And
Speaker 1: NATO said, okay, let's do it, right, So u US
Speaker 1: and British led NATO coalition kind of took the reins
Speaker 1: and turned the six hundred and eighty thousand square mile country,
Speaker 1: which is about one point seven million square kilometers uh
Speaker 1: into a no fly zone. All of Libya was a
Speaker 1: no fly zone, all right. So since this is a
Speaker 1: new thing, it's there is no as this article says, playbook,
Speaker 1: there's not like a exact way that these go into effect.
Speaker 1: It sort of depends on what you're dealing with, what
Speaker 1: countries you're dealing with. But the first thing that you
Speaker 1: have to do, according to Chapter seven, Article forty two
Speaker 1: of the UN Charter, is UH, get the fifteen member
Speaker 1: UN Security Council on board, right, which sounds easy, but
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily because you have five permanent members the UK, France,
Speaker 1: the US, China and Russia. And China and Russia loved
Speaker 1: to veto anything that the US, the UK, and UM,
Speaker 1: France are all about. UM, which is gets called a
Speaker 1: balance of power, but UM specifically with Libya, France, or
Speaker 1: Russia and China where they were against it, but they
Speaker 1: were persuaded to abstain from the vote because all it
Speaker 1: takes is one one permanent member nation on the Security
Speaker 1: Council of veto and it's done. Yeah. I wonder what
Speaker 1: that persuasion entailed. I don't know, you know, looking the
Speaker 1: other way on human rights violations. Maybe I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it wasn't just as easy as hey,
Speaker 1: you mind sitting this one out? Sure, no problem, right,
Speaker 1: I'm drunk anyway. So, UM, the the UN resolution for
Speaker 1: the Libyan. Uh, no fly zone. UM, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: good example of how this kind of thing can work.
Speaker 1: So no flights in Libyan airspace bands all flying unless
Speaker 1: it's a humanitarian mission carrying food or water or getting
Speaker 1: out um for nationals who are in like bad places. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to do that. Other than that, no fly,
Speaker 1: no fly and UM it's not uh. You don't just
Speaker 1: shoot down any plane on site when you're patrolling the
Speaker 1: no fly zone. If a if a plane is flying
Speaker 1: in Libyan airspace, you want to first figure out if
Speaker 1: it was there accidentally or if it's hostile. And if
Speaker 1: it's hostile, you go back to the ground and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: can I shoot this thing down? Yeah? Well, first you
Speaker 1: got figure out who's who's doing the shooting. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta set it all up. He's gonna be in
Speaker 1: worsing all this. I was just jumping ahead of Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out who's who's in charge of the operation,
Speaker 1: basically in the lib in the case of Libya, it
Speaker 1: was NATO and UM. Then you established the Rules of
Speaker 1: Engagement RU, which is partially has to do with hey,
Speaker 1: do we shoot first and ask questions later? Do we
Speaker 1: check passports. How's this gonna work? Right? And and like
Speaker 1: you said, Olibya, it was pretty aggressive. Um. The first
Speaker 1: thing that happened on day one was the US and
Speaker 1: I believe the UK sailed warships off the coast of
Speaker 1: Libya and started shooting missiles into Libya's interior, knocking out
Speaker 1: military installations, radar installations, as much of the Libyan military
Speaker 1: as or at least air force as could be destroyed.
Speaker 1: Hundred twelve Tomahawk cruise missiles boom. Yeah, each one precisely shot.
Speaker 1: That's right, and uh, I love the article says the
Speaker 1: goal is to shape the battle space in quotes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the euphemism. Huh yeah, Victor time. So um, after
Speaker 1: this they send in the drone surveillance aircraft to check
Speaker 1: things out. You see what's going on? And did you
Speaker 1: get the impression the US is kind of showing off
Speaker 1: a little bit like, well, we've got some missiles we
Speaker 1: can use, and then after we're we'll send in our
Speaker 1: unmanned drones and make sure everything's bombed. And then after
Speaker 1: that we're going to send in radar jamming equipment just
Speaker 1: in case you have anything left on the ground. We'll
Speaker 1: take care of that too. Yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: like two days. Yeah, and get off his his air
Speaker 1: force was you know, they call them vintage jets in
Speaker 1: this uh, in this article, and that's in that case,
Speaker 1: vintage is not a good thing. You know, it's from
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. It's old gear. Basically, it's vintage, not retro.
Speaker 1: That's right. Um, so it's it's still it was effective.
Speaker 1: It worked even beyond the fact that, um the jets
Speaker 1: were vintage and we crippled the his radar system, his
Speaker 1: air force military installations. Um, there was still a lot
Speaker 1: of shoulder launched rockets in Libya an estimated six hundred.
Speaker 1: I believe that like during this time, Kadafi was handing
Speaker 1: out to people who were on his side. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: Sadam Hussein famously offered a bounty on any aircraft shutdown
Speaker 1: of like fourteen grand, which I thought, why not fifteen
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that was a weird number. I wonder
Speaker 1: if if that makes like a significant round number in
Speaker 1: Iraqi money. You know, it's a lot of denari, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. You shouldn't invest in those, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's a big scam invest in denari. Have you heard
Speaker 1: of people doing that. It's a thing where people buy
Speaker 1: up Iraqi denari and thinking you're like, they're gonna hit
Speaker 1: it big one day. You shouldn't do that. Why, it's
Speaker 1: just you do a little research and it's it's sort
Speaker 1: of one of those scams, is it. Yeah, so like
Speaker 1: if you bought denari from a legitimate currency broker, it's
Speaker 1: still not a good investment. Huh. I know someone who
Speaker 1: did it. Oh no, yeah. Is it possible it's going
Speaker 1: to come back in ten years? I doubt it. Are
Speaker 1: they going to go euro I don't know. Huh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just a sidebar. Okay, that was a nice one.
Speaker 1: Save your money, folks. So we were talking about the
Speaker 1: possibility that a NATO jet or any jet patrolling a
Speaker 1: no fly zone could get shot down by some dude
Speaker 1: on the ground. Yeah, it hasn't happened. No, but it
Speaker 1: couldn't have to be one lucky shot. It raises one
Speaker 1: of the concerns. Uh, actually it has happened. It hasn't
Speaker 1: happened from somebody on the ground, but it raises a concern,
Speaker 1: a risk that, um, we're sending in people again into
Speaker 1: a sovereign nation that maybe has to deal with his
Speaker 1: own problems, and um, we're putting our people in danger
Speaker 1: for that. Most people, I think myself included side on
Speaker 1: the idea of going in and protecting civilians from certain slaughter. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do agree that there is a risk as
Speaker 1: well in um. Scott McGrady remember him, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson. Yeah. During the Balkan War. Uh, during that
Speaker 1: no fly zone he was shot down I guess by
Speaker 1: a Serbian plane. Uh it was a surface to air missile.
Speaker 1: But okay, so somebody has shot down somebody from the ground. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a person. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: he was shot down patrolling a no fly zone, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was in very big trouble for a little while.
Speaker 1: Had he not been quite the survivalist, who knows what
Speaker 1: would have happened. Because the Serbs were hot on his
Speaker 1: trail and he spent six days evading them. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: did a really good job and a hero. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: ate ants and and lived on collected rainwater and avoided
Speaker 1: the bad guys and eventually got through. Uh a radio
Speaker 1: signal and and Gene Hackman picked up. Gene Hackman was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to get you out of there. Yeah, Uncommon
Speaker 1: Valor man. That was the gene Hackman was in the
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson movie too, Was he really? I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: he was the one that was in charge of saving him.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well he's he's always going in and saving
Speaker 1: and uncomming Valor. It was his son who was a yeah,
Speaker 1: Vietnampio w Right. Yea good Randall tex Cob Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was his name in it? I don't remember that. That
Speaker 1: movie came out at a great time for me though.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect age. Uh. He wore like a
Speaker 1: live grenade around his remember, Yeah, that's the second time
Speaker 1: we talked about Uncommon Valor in like two months. When
Speaker 1: was the other one? I remember? I don't remember. I
Speaker 1: do remember talking about it and probably when what happens
Speaker 1: if the earth stops spinning? Yeah? Probably so. Um so
Speaker 1: you got anything else? I guess. We had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to to really invade Libya, and in President Obama said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's not do that. Um, let's not
Speaker 1: do the regime change game. Well, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, we shouldn't be there in the first place.
Speaker 1: A lot of other people are like, this is a
Speaker 1: half measure. If you're gonna go do that and just
Speaker 1: wipe out somebody's military, you might as well do a
Speaker 1: ground invasion and take over and top all the regime.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Obama was like, Noah, let's give it
Speaker 1: a shot. And he was proven right in Libya at least,
Speaker 1: because even if you take out their air defenses and
Speaker 1: their air offenses, I guess they still have way better
Speaker 1: weaponry and stuff on the ground than these uprising forces do. Right,
Speaker 1: And it worked in Libya. It didn't necessarily work in
Speaker 1: the Balkans. A lot of people point to Um the
Speaker 1: slaughter at Um Sribrenicabrenica. Yeah, seven thousand Muslim Uh boys
Speaker 1: and men were killed by the Bosnians. It's being Yeah,
Speaker 1: who are being tried for war crimes because of it.
Speaker 1: But the no fly zone didn't do anything to prison
Speaker 1: prevent it. It's right, So I mean, is it effective?
Speaker 1: It can be. I say that we don't have a
Speaker 1: large enough body of work to study from here. We
Speaker 1: need to get some more going, get some more enough
Speaker 1: last sons, Remember how creepy it was after eleven when
Speaker 1: all the shutdown Remember that, Oh yeah, it's just so odd.
Speaker 1: You don't realize how used to the sounds and the
Speaker 1: Kim Trails and Kim Trail. We did an episode on
Speaker 1: that Calm Trails or did Kim Trails? We did Kem
Speaker 1: We did about con Trails, Kim Trails. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Okay, I guess that's about it, right. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: and I had been emailing each other and he says,
Speaker 1: by the way, Chuck, I think I told you in
Speaker 1: the past about my Civics teacher that listens to the show.
Speaker 1: This week, we have a special project in this class
Speaker 1: is to make a podcast about one of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court cases. We've been studying for some hints. We listened
Speaker 1: to tidbits of your show, and my teacher and I
Speaker 1: just grinned from ear to ear at each other like
Speaker 1: a really funny inside joke, because they're like the only
Speaker 1: two in the class that listen. Um, I plan for
Speaker 1: my pseudonym to be either Chuck or even Chuckers, if
Speaker 1: you would allow, I give you permission, sir uh. He
Speaker 1: says he sees himself as a younger version of me,
Speaker 1: which is writing, although the actual content of the show
Speaker 1: is more like this American life because we are required
Speaker 1: to have Collins seric like to have Collins. Uh do they?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. I will always
Speaker 1: think to myself that I'm sitting there in your little studio,
Speaker 1: if you can give my spectacular teacher, Mr Kristof a
Speaker 1: shout out that was mind boggling, stupendously incredible. But I
Speaker 1: understand if you can't, Mr Kristof. Yep, Mr Kristoph Civics teacher.
Speaker 1: And I said, sure, Jack, I'll do that. And then
Speaker 1: he emailed again from Washington, d C. And said, I
Speaker 1: hate to seem demanding, Chuck, but if you could also
Speaker 1: mention Mrs Kristoff because I have her for math and
Speaker 1: I don't want to make her feel left out. So
Speaker 1: if it's too late. I get it. I can't complain.
Speaker 1: This might be the best day of my life after all.
Speaker 1: Have a nice long weekend. And that is Jack outside Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And Mr and Mrs Kristoff, good job listening
Speaker 1: to the show, and we thank you for using it
Speaker 1: in your classroom. Yes, thank you to the Kristof's. Mr
Speaker 1: and Mrs Kristoff's thank you for shaping your minds. We
Speaker 1: can see that shout out, uh and way to go, Jack.
Speaker 1: You're cool, dude. UM, if you have a shout out
Speaker 1: you want us to give, Chuck gives in on those
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