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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones joining us now on one oh five three

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Speaker 1: the Fan. Good afternoon, sir, How you doing. I'm doing good, guys.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Oh, we're doing great. We're getting

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Speaker 1: excited about this thing now, you guys, you guys getting

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Speaker 1: ready to stick to your fundamentals whole way through, trust

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Speaker 1: the process and all that. Absolutely, yeah, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: we're finishing up a few small details, but overall we've

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Speaker 1: done the heavy lifting and uh, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: we feel good about everything. Obviously, it's a little different

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Speaker 1: when you don't don't feel like you're going to be

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Speaker 1: participating Thursday night. But as we said, we're so thrilled

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Speaker 1: with the pick we made, which was Amari, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll just kind of ride it out there Thursday night

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Speaker 1: and then be down to as you said, our fundamentals

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Speaker 1: are blocking and tackling, and uh, be ready to have

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Speaker 1: a good draft. It might be end up being one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest trades because you know, if you look

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Speaker 1: at what the team was doing before then, and would

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Speaker 1: you have had an opportunity to get one now, you

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Speaker 1: could have built this inable roster and had all held

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Speaker 1: up and held hostage by the fact you didn't have

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Speaker 1: anybody out there that could get the ball on the

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Speaker 1: level that Cooper does well, There's no question, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't think, you know, when we look at the

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Speaker 1: there's a player of that caliber. And especially where we're picking,

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Speaker 1: they're late in the rounds, would be late in the

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Speaker 1: first round here. I just think you're gonna be hard

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Speaker 1: pressed to find anybody that would have made a difference

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Speaker 1: in our roster Lakamar made last year and like we

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Speaker 1: feel like he's going to make as we move forward.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about, you know, sticking to the fundamentals,

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Speaker 1: are are there draft picks that have happened in the

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Speaker 1: recent history that you didn't do that? And kind of

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Speaker 1: gave you a reminder that this is really important to

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Speaker 1: make sure we, you know, execute each and every one

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Speaker 1: of our picks as they come through. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: a hard thing to say. I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: mean you might could say that maybe later where you

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Speaker 1: as early on, I think we've just done a good

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Speaker 1: of that here the last couple of days in terms of, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, what might what might be there, uh there

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Speaker 1: we want to go about that, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna measure what we should do with that pick.

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Speaker 1: As I think Jerry mentioned, you know, sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: late in that second round you can get tempted with

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Speaker 1: some of the picks that have worked out for us

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Speaker 1: in the past. Some of them haven't. But look at

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Speaker 1: a Shine Lee there who you know, who had slept

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Speaker 1: because injury. Those type of things, you know, can show

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Speaker 1: to measure that versus what's available in terms of your

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Speaker 1: go to work and hopefully, you know, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you you'd like to hope you're getting a starter there

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Speaker 1: when you pick in the second round, and certainly, with

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Speaker 1: the talent on this team, that's going to be difficult

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Speaker 1: to do, but you certainly want someone who's going to

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Speaker 1: win football games. How many positions do you think that

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Speaker 1: a starter. Well, let's you know, that's hard to say

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Speaker 1: to single any one place out. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: a rookie and you know, maybe if he didn't start,

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Speaker 1: he could sure contribute in a big way for us.

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Speaker 1: When you look Stephen at when you guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: acquired the team, bought the team. You guys hired Jimmy

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Speaker 1: because Cliff Kingsbury is now the coach of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: He has the first overall pick. How much of an

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Speaker 1: some of the players. Obviously, Jimmy came from a top

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Speaker 1: And then of course he was playing against some of

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Speaker 1: certainly Cliffell have that going for him down in Arizona

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Speaker 1: in terms of his knowledge of from players he's recruited,

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Speaker 1: to players that he's coached, to players that he coached against.

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Speaker 1: I think can only be a positive and it should

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Speaker 1: end of the day, it was very helpful for us,

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Speaker 1: not only you know, from Jimmy's standpoint, but his staff.

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Speaker 1: He pretty much brought his staff from Miami and they

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Speaker 1: a plus. And who are they picking there at number one?

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Speaker 1: I wish I knew, I don't. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with Cliff. He actually recruited my son last year,

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Speaker 1: so much respect for him in terms of what he

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Speaker 1: but you know, we're You're good friends with a lot

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Speaker 1: all and say, Hey, what did you see from this

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Speaker 1: Not only you know, there's a couple of gas from

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Speaker 1: he's obviously lived with those guys and knows him very well,

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Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, I spent it was his

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Speaker 1: I get my days lost? When Mayock and Gruden the

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Speaker 1: sounds like they will probably turn over there, so that

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Speaker 1: figure out what you're going to do. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: protect your information in any way from the guys in

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Speaker 1: your organization? Is it limited to a few people seeing

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Speaker 1: It's a little more limited than everybody that's sitting in

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Speaker 1: they know the grades. In general, it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a group contribution and everybody has input and insight

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Speaker 1: right things. Now, have we ever had people who share

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Speaker 1: You can drive yourself crazy thinking trying to think of

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Speaker 1: So you know, you at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: great So these days, Stephen, there are about a million

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Speaker 1: mock drafts from a million different people. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: Goslin's NFL people used to pay attention to But now

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Speaker 1: do you guys worry about it at all? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: mean you look at them, you're curious, but I don't

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Speaker 1: as you know, consensus that you can put into these computers,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you can see where these guys are

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Speaker 1: going to be picked. We obviously run mock drafts. You

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Speaker 1: be a productive player in the NFL. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time here in such an important week.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your man. Have a great day. Thanks God,

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