1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Duel more Ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: the Friday Morning Podcast. Dave Wonstat, who was the defensive 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: coordinator for those Jimmy Johnson Cowboys Super Bowl winning teams. 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: He's got great Jimmy stories and great Jerry stories and 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: he'll be joining us in about five minutes. But as always, 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: it's time for fake questions, real answers. Lots of stuff 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. I don't want to wait 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: for you to ask me. Here we go. Dear Colin, 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: you hear Texas and Oklahoma are considering joining the SEC. 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't this just further prove what you've been saying about 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve being totally an utterly weak and in 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: the dark. Great question, Yes, it does. The bigger issue though, 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: and we're seeing this in global sports, and we saw 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: it with the English Premier League and the Italian League 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: and the Spanish League. Is the top dogs in these 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: leagues are tired of splitting revenue with the weaker teams. 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma carry the conference, and as the money 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: has grown, dominating brands are tired of sharing revenue. So 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: Notre Dame was way out in front of everybody. They 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: were the first gigantic brand who refused to be in 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: a conference and kept all their money. I think Texas 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: should go independent. I told USC Athletic director Mike Bone 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: and Pat Hayden, his predecessor, You guys should go independent. 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Just schedule UCLA and Stanford and calivery year and keep 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: them happy. The reality here is this is now a 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: global movement for dominating sports brands to keep a higher 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: percentage of the money they make for their respective conferences. 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't blame Texas and Oklahoma, but I would caution both. 33 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Texas has three Big Twelve championships in twenty five years. 34 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Right now, you'd be about the sixth or fifth best 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: football program in the SEC. Dear Colin, people constantly bash 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: the NBA for low finals ratings. They just don't get 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: it right. No, they don't. When ratings are down, it 38 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt leagues, it hurts their network partners, CBS, ESPN, NBC, ABC, Fox, 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: because networks have to do what they call make goods. 40 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: If you don't hit a certain rating, the leagues always 41 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: get guaranteed all their money. It doesn't hurt the NBA 42 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: if the ratings are down. It hurts their broadcast partners 43 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: when their ratings are down, because they make certain promises 44 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: to Mountain Dew and Pepsi and Ford and Chevy that 45 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: we'll get so many viewers. And if you don't, it's 46 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: called make goods. You have to give away spots that 47 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: you had previously negotiated to sell. Remember, folks, the Spurs 48 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: were a dynasty. The two thousand and three Spurs nets, 49 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the two thousand and seven Spurs Cavs Finals got numbers 50 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: right in line with this year's finals. And you know 51 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: what happened to the NBA. They have since more than 52 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: quadrupled quadrupled their television revenue. Right now, the only thing 53 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: keeping the lights on it broadcast companies is live Sports. 54 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: The NBA is asking for three times in the current 55 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: negotiations for what they make now, and they will get it. 56 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: This is why I rolled my eyes at all this 57 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: concern for a slight ratings decrease in the NFL over 58 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: the Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. What is Fox without 59 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: the NFL? What is CBS without the NFL? What is 60 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: NBC without the NFL? We need it to keep the 61 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: lights on. The leagues always get the money they want. 62 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, What's the strangest sports city in America right now? Well, 63 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: without question, it's Milwaukee. You have the most grateful athlete 64 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: versus the least grateful, Jannis and Aaron Rodgers. Jannis is 65 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: all gratitude. Aaron's all lattitude. It's a winner versus a whiner. 66 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: The thing about Aaron that I'm kind of shocked by 67 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: that people keep defending him in the media. Aaron acts 68 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: as if he's not surrounded by quality town. Last year 69 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: PF end of the Year rankings, Green Bay O Line 70 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: second in the NFL to Cleveland. This year, Pro Football 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: Focus already has put out their twenty twenty one player rankings. 72 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: They tend to be reasonably close. Receiver Davante Adams fifth, overall, 73 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: cornerback Jayere Alexander fourteenth, David Bakhtiari tackle top fifteen, Aaron 74 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Jones sixth. Best running back defense ranked ninth at the 75 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: end of last year. This idea that Aaron is not 76 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: surrounded by competent talent outside of Patrick, Mahomes and Brady 77 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: who in this league has a better set up than 78 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. The Packers have never had institutional chaos. In 79 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years, a third of the league has. Finally, 80 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, the NFL is now ruling that if you 81 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: don't get vaccinated and an outbreak starts because of you 82 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: on a team, the team takes a loss and you 83 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: will not be paid your reaction. Listen, there's an old 84 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: saying ignorance is bliss. It is unless your ignorance becomes 85 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: my problem. Unvaccinated Americans are now vaccinated people's problem my 86 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: entire life. Seventy five percent of the country has had 87 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: to pull twenty five percent of the country to the 88 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: right side of an issue, whether it's gay marriage, seat belts, 89 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: race relations, marijuana laws. There's just a quarter of this country, 90 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: sometimes up to about a third that is less freethinking, 91 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: imbedded on the wrong side of an issue. Rigid, stubborn, 92 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: and sometimes unfortunately ignorant seat belts. People argued for years 93 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: that they were an infringement on person and old freedoms. Seriously, 94 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: you don't have a right not to wear a seatbelt. 95 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: That's why cars, when you start them, a beep goes 96 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: off until you put it on. My entire life, this 97 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: has been America. Seventy five percent of the country has 98 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: to drag twenty five percent screaming and kicking to the 99 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: right side of an issue. We're all part of a society. 100 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: We have rules and laws and safety measures that help 101 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: us get along and protect each other. Red lights, stop sign, 102 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: speed limits. When you ignore those, you put people in danger. 103 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: The NFL is now going to force teams to forfeit 104 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: a game if they have a COVID outbreak from unvaccinated players. 105 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: The NFL is telling everybody ignorance is no longer bliss 106 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: when it affects not just the ignorant. Well, it's one 107 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: of my favorite guys and one of the best storytellers 108 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: we have, Fox NFL analyst Dave Juanstat, former Bears and 109 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Dolphin head coach, defensive coordinators for Super Bowl twenty seven win, 110 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh head coach for a half decade, and this week 111 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: there was a story where Jerry Jones came out and 112 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: acknowledged he's the one that screwed up the Cowboys dynasty 113 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson, and I think it's something that I've understood, 114 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy understood, you know, Dave, I've never even asked you 115 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: this question before, but I mean it's fairly obvious from 116 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: my purview that basically, when Jerry bought the Cowboys, he 117 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: had to get the finances right, so he spent the 118 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: next two years in his side of the building. Jimmy 119 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: and you had to get the football operation right, and 120 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: you were on your side of the building. But my 121 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: feeling was always once the Cowboys started winning a Super Bowl, 122 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy was getting all the credit and Jerry wanted to 123 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: have fun with his toy, and he had gotten by 124 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: that time the finances right. The money was pouring in. 125 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Is that a too simplistic look at what happened? No, 126 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: I think that Number One, Jerry played football right. He 127 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,359 Speaker 1: had a son to Stephen, who was a quarterback at Arkansas, 128 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: and Jerry was very involved with the program, watching practices. 129 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: He had an office it looked right down and fall 130 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: looked right down on the office. So he was a 131 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: football business guy. He wasn't Wayne Hyzinga, who I worked 132 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: for the Dolphins, who was worried about starting another fortune 133 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: five hundred company, and that's all we cared about. So Jerry, 134 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: I think that football part of it. But I sat 135 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: there what you're talking about, and I remember Jerry saying 136 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: to Jimmy, Hey, Jimmy, you know I've invested everything and 137 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: cast out all I got, so between the two of us, 138 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, we've got to make this thing go. So 139 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: I've never let that thought leave my mind when I 140 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: see Jerry Jones and I hear some of the things 141 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: because I was there. I mean, I know how invested 142 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: he was. To your point, where did it go astray? 143 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: The first two years there was not. I mean Jerry 144 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: was doing the marketing and he was organizing TV station. 145 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: He was bringing the Blue Star, his own TV show, 146 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: and everything right into the Cowboys facility so we wouldn't 147 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: have to go out. He was looking at how we 148 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: could make a buck, changing the advertisement, all that stuff, 149 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: and I can remember when it happened. It was our 150 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: last year. It was a Super Bowl year, and traditionally 151 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: we would head out for a jog around you and 152 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Jimmy always kind of wanted his He believed that you 153 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: got more done in a social situation than you did 154 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: sitting around a boardroom because guys would relax a little bit, 155 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: say some things that they might not say otherwise, and 156 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: everybody and we were still getting done. So we would 157 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: take these jogs two or three days a week. We 158 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: run a couple of miles and walked back and it 159 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: was all football who were playing. What's going on? Was 160 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: it draft? Was a summer training camp? Was at season, 161 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: and we're heading out, getting ready to go, and Jimmy 162 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: come walking out of the locker room and he did 163 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: his press conference right before this, and he walks on 164 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: and they're setting up tables and chairs all through this 165 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: one press meeting area, and I can remember, like yesterday, 166 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy turned and was asking the guys who were setting 167 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: it up, what's going on, and they said, Jerry's having 168 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: a press conference, and he said he is dizzy and 169 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: had no idea the week before that. I don't know 170 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: if I think we might have been Troy. We turned 171 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: the ball over two or three times, and one of 172 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: the questions to Jimmy Johnson was Troy Aikman had a 173 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: couple of turnovers, you know, is it? And Jimmy said, 174 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: let me just say this, whether it's Troy Aikman, Michael Orman, 175 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: Emmett Smith, Jane novachek Our tight end. If you turn 176 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: the football over, we can't win and you're not going 177 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: to play well. Two hours later in the press conference, 178 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: it comes out and they asked Jerry, you know, what 179 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: do you think about and he says, we're fine, there's 180 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, basically, there's not an issue. 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Do you remember the 215 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: moment Jimmy said, I can't do it anymore? You know, 216 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: it was interesting. After the second year I was at 217 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: the Bears. North Turner had just left, and remember the 218 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: first part of this story. Now, our new jogs. And 219 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: we did these jogs at pitt when I was Jimmy 220 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: and I were assistant. We did these jogs at Oklahoma State. 221 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: We did these jogs at University of Miami. So this 222 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: was nothing new. This was his He wanted to have 223 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: his guys, his inner scarcle as he called him, get around. 224 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: And when I left, North left, Tony Wise, the line 225 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: coach left, we were right on Jimmy's boat and we 226 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: were downe in Miami and it was me and him 227 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: and the wives and our attorney, and we were just 228 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,119 Speaker 1: sitting there and we had been sipping a few Heinekens 229 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: during the course of the past ten hours I think 230 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: it was, and jim Jimmy said, boy, this is this 231 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: is a challenge. You know, he says, fun of this 232 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: thing is really I'm really having a challenge with this. 233 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: And he didn't go any deeper. And then I was at. 234 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: We were up in Orlando, went to league meetings, and 235 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: that's when everything broke loose. Jimmy and Jerry had some words. 236 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: We were at the meetings, and we used to sit 237 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: together at all the NFL meetings. So I was waiting 238 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: for him down by the lobby and he came down 239 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: and he had that look on his face, and I said, 240 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: meetings this way, and he says, not my meeting, and 241 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: he was heading for the door, and he was driving 242 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: a corvette then and he jumped in that corvette and 243 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: gone and he left the meetings, and so I went 244 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: in and I started saying what happened? And that's when 245 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: they say said that, you know the comment that Jerry 246 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: made and found the media that he could get five 247 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: hundred guys to coach of Dallas Cowboys and win a 248 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And one of the media guys or somebody, 249 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure who called up to Jimmy's room and said, well, 250 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: you're missing a good one. Let me tell you what 251 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: was said. So that kind of was But I think 252 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: at that point Jerry believed that he could win Colin 253 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and do it without Jimmy Johnson, and Jimmy was the 254 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: guy if Jimmy wasn't going to be the guy, and 255 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be the voice. He wasn't going 256 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: to share that with anybody. Well, Barry won for a 257 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: couple of years, and then over time I thought Barry 258 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: was a little over his head. You know, I was 259 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: saying something today. If you look at the NFL, thirteen 260 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: of the fourteen highest paid Cowboys Dave are players they drafted. Now, 261 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: that would seem like the right thing to do, but 262 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: the truth is teams that are much better than them. 263 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo, the La Rams, Seattle, many of their 264 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: top players are not guys they drafted. Their loyalty is 265 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the best player available. And I said, when I look 266 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: at the Cowboys, I see it's almost like Walmart, the 267 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Walton family. It's a it's a very insular business and 268 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: they don't listen to a lot of outside voices. And 269 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, if you look at their roster outside of 270 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, it's, hey, we drafted them, we know what 271 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: we're doing, we don't need your opinion, and we're going 272 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: to pay them. I mean, the Rams have Whitworth and 273 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and Matt Stafford and Robert Woods, I think 274 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: it goes back to when we were there because we won. 275 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: We were the youngest football team in the NFL and 276 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: we won the Super Bowl. We were playing basically with 277 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of young college kids that like just playing 278 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the game. And I think that that's the foundation, that's 279 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: the DNA that Jerry Jones has in his mind. And 280 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: there's no not in my mind that that's that's why 281 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: that happens. I mean, that's he believes it can happen 282 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: that way. And I you know, I talked to Jimmy 283 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: earlier this morning because we were talking about the article 284 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: yesterday and what Jerry said, and uh, there's there's no 285 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: doubt about it that Jerry has that blueprint of what 286 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Jimmy put together and how we did it back then, 287 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: and that's how he sees it being done. And he's 288 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: he's having he doesn't want to weave for that much. 289 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. Jerry said, you know, Jimmy's my friend, 290 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: and I kind of rolled my eyes and I thought, well, 291 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: they wouldn't spit on each other, do you. I mean, 292 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: if Jimmy and Jerry were in the same room, would 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: it be cordial? What's it like now? Yes, it would 294 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: be cordial. I'll tell you what's happened, Jimmy. You know, obviously, 295 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: going into the Hall of Fame, there's three Dallas cowboys 296 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: going in for our cowboys fans out there they know this, 297 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Cliff Harris, Drew Parrison and Jimmy Johnson. And Jimmy was 298 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: moving ahead full with his little party as everybody has parties, 299 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: and Jerry and him talk. I don't know who called you. 300 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: I think Jerry called Jimmy from the yacht from Jerry 301 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: reside on a boat somewhere and he called him and 302 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: he said, hey, we got three cowboys going in. Why 303 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: don't we have one big Dallas cowboy party and let 304 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: me kind of organize it. So Jimmy and Jerry they 305 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: talked within the last month or so, and uh, and 306 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. So the party is going 307 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: to be a Dallas cowboy party, and there's going to 308 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: be people from the Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris era, and 309 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson era all together, and Jerry's kind of coordinating 310 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Again, Jerry's a charge. You know. It's interesting. 311 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: It's interesting, Dave. When Jimmy left the Cowboys. He goes 312 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: to Miami and instead of a meddling owner, he got 313 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: an old quarterback in Dan Marino, so he had to 314 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: battle that. And you know, it's as you will know, 315 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: if you'd had a decent quarterbacks, you'd be coaching and 316 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: not broadcasting because you want a lot of games, and 317 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: got to the playoffs with a lot of c minus quarterbacks. 318 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: And when you look at when you look at Jimmy, 319 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: he could control in college, he could control the personnel 320 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: and he only had a low paid ad to deal with. 321 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: He goes to the NFL. He has success, but he 322 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: as a meddling owner and then Marino was his knees 323 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: were shot. He was difficult. If all things Jimmy Johnson 324 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: knows today, do you think? I mean? Obviously, the Hall 325 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: of Fame means more than anything, so he doesn't regret 326 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: his NFL time. But it does leave me to believe 327 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: if you coach as well as Jimmy Johnson and even 328 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: you have to deal with owners and old quarterbacks. His 329 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: college football is just an easier sport to coach than 330 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: pro football, not just a winning but you have more control. Well, 331 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, the biggest love that Jimmy has by far, 332 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: and his heart is to the University of Miami. I 333 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: believe that if and again it were had a president Donnor, 334 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: that there was a conflict. But I think if Jimmy 335 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: could have stayed at Miami because of the lifestyle, the location, 336 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: getting players winning games, he might still be at Miami. 337 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that was one place that he didn't get 338 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: tired of, and uh, you know it was you know 339 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: now things have changed since then, things have changed since 340 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: I left Pit. Uh God, I don't know what I 341 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: would have told with Sean McCoy when I was recruiting him. 342 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: With with you know when when his parents, it used 343 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: to be you talked about education, and then you boy, 344 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: and then you came. Then you talked about football. And 345 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: It's like my first year of Pit coaching college football. 346 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm Pitt National championship ring on, I was proud of second, 347 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm in a kid's home and all of a sudden, 348 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: they want to know about what schemes were going to use, 349 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: and the parents want to know how quick, how quick 350 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: can my sonday a number one draft pick? And then 351 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: they got into what type of education are we going 352 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: to get? I walked out and I told the assistant coach, 353 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: this is the last time I'm wearing this fit National championship. 354 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to start wearing my Super Bowl ring because 355 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: these kids, the prior hoodies have changed well now, and 356 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking to college coaches because I'm gonna do a 357 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: big ten show every week right here on BTNU. So 358 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking to coaches now. And now the recruiting thing, 359 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: it's it's how quick can my some play from a 360 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: parent standpoint? You know, what type of system tell me 361 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: about the education? And then what can my son make 362 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: for his likeness and his image? You know, that's a 363 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: nightmare for coaches. And everyone talked about what Nick Saban 364 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: said the other day about his quarterback, that he's close 365 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: to a million dollars in endorsements or whatever you want 366 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: to call it. I think that was a great recruiting 367 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: ploy by Nick Saban. Nick stacking like he don't like it, 368 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: and probably deep down he doesn't because I don't think 369 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: any of the old school coaches like myself or Nick, 370 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, would want to deal with that right now. 371 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: But he used that is an humbul and I read 372 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: that thing and I started laughing, saying, if you're a kid, 373 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: every kid's gonna want to go to Alabama. This kid 374 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: hasn't played and he's gonna get a million bucks. I mean, 375 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: it's insane, It truly is. You know, I don't know. 376 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: I think you're going to handle it. You know, it's 377 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. You know, we used to get 378 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: fifteen bucks a month as we got one. I played 379 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: for laundry. Now these kids, and I couldn't manage that. 380 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't manage. I'd blow it all down at the 381 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: local pub. Dave Circling back to the Jimmy Jerry stuff, 382 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: because it really is one of the great estranged, difficult, 383 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: glamorous relationships in league history between an owner and a coach. 384 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: And if I said, you explained Jimmy Johnson's greatness in 385 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: a paragraph, what was it number one? That he was? So? 386 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: He was very intelligent. He one time we were talking 387 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: about the salary cap okay, when it was just starting 388 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: to happen, the Plan B they called it. And we 389 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: were sitting there going over and he was studying that thing, 390 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you you know? I think 391 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: we were not the senior boy or something, and we were. 392 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: I says, he said, you know what, I'll be done 393 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: with this a minute. I said, what are you doing? 394 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: He says, you know, He says, I always try to 395 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: know more when I'm in these meetings, no more or 396 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: as much as anybody in the room. Whenever the topic 397 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: might be. If it's draft, I want to know more 398 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: about the draft. If the salary cap, I want to 399 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: be on top of them more about the salary cap. 400 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: And I think Jimmy took a lot of pride in that, 401 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: and then his big motto when I went to work 402 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: for him, He says, Dave, you know, I'm going to 403 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: give you enough tune to be as good as you 404 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: want to be, and if you want to take that opportunity, 405 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: come work with me, you know. And he and he 406 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: held true to that. And when I went out and 407 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: interviewed for a head job in the NFL and it 408 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: didn't work out, my first interview, when I came back 409 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: to Jimmy was so bent out of shape. He's when 410 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: he promoted me to assistant head coach and gave me 411 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: a lot, a big raise and everything else at the Cowboys. 412 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he he's been loyal to his people, and 413 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: I think that we go the extra mile for him, 414 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: and he treats his players that way too. So his 415 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: people's skills and you know, I think are off the charts. 416 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: He knows how to get the most out of people. 417 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: And and and the other side is I can remember 418 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: going to him and say, hey, boy, this are you 419 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: sure about this guy? I mean, and he says, you 420 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: know what, Dave, He's doing two things that really helped 421 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: us win. The one thing that drives you crazy drives 422 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: me crazy. Yeah, but the two things that he can 423 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: do to help us win. In my mind, he says, 424 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: we need those, you know. So he had a way 425 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: of you know, some people will get bent out of 426 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: shape and the guy's not good enough, or he's not 427 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: the type of person to fit in, get somebody else where. 428 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy would always look at and say, hey, what's the 429 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: pros and cons of this thing? And how can it 430 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: help us? And help me? So he just smart guy, 431 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: great psychologist. And go to Jerry Jones. You had Wayne 432 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: high Zinga, Jerry Jones and the Hollis family. What do 433 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: you think when you look at Jerry? Was there something 434 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: about him that you thought he did better than the 435 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: other owners that you had? Outside the box thinker I said, 436 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: in those NFL Owners meetings. Colin at the very first one, 437 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: and they have one session every year. Where's the head coach, 438 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: the commissioner, and the owner. And I was at the 439 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: Bears and I was sitting next to mister McCaskey, and 440 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: Jerry was in there. Jimmy was still coaching them, and 441 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: they were talking about renewing the beer advertisements with the league, 442 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: and they were talking about how loyal the company that 443 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: they had was, and Jerry put his hand up and said, 444 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: has anybody in here talked to Company X or company? 445 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: Why if we find out what they might give us? 446 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: And they said, no, these people have been loyal, We're 447 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: going to stay with them. Jerry changed the name just 448 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: on Texas Stadium. He went outside the box and he 449 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: put the brand up there of a different if you 450 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: remember that whole thing. He kind of broke away from 451 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: the NFL and says, I'm gonna do what I gotta 452 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: do to make the most money. And when the TV 453 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: contract came up a few years later, Jerry was right 454 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of it, and all those owners they 455 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: figured out real quick, this guy thinks outside the box. 456 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: He's not the old traditional NFL way, and he can 457 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: make us a lot of money. And that's exactly what 458 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: he did. When I think of a success the NFL 459 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: right now, the first first that comes to my mind, 460 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones thinking outside the box. He came to Jimmy 461 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: the night before the Super Bowl, our first super Bowl, 462 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: tell me. And he came down the night before the 463 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: game and he had these jerseys. He had him made up. 464 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: And he holds up Emmett's Smith's jersey in Jimmy in 465 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: the room and it's got the stars and stripe. It 466 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: looks like an American flag. And Jimmy, so, what's happen? 467 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: And he says, I was thinking we wear these tomorrow 468 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: for the game. He says, you realize we beat the Bills, 469 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna beat him, he says, And you know how 470 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: much money we would make selling jerseys? Jimmy says, God, Jerry, 471 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: you know if I put this in Emmett Smith's locker, 472 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: he may not get dressed for the game. You know, 473 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: this guy does everything the same way every time for 474 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: twenty four weeks. But the point was that that's how 475 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: he super Bowl. All the hype, everything going on. Teams 476 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: thinking outside the box, how could I capitalize on this? 477 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Dave before we go two issues. 478 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, how would you if he comes into camp? 479 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: How do you play at Dave? Do you pretend like 480 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: it never happened? Do you address the team? Do you 481 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: just address Aaron? I mean, God, it's the elephant in 482 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: the room. How the hell does a head coach address 483 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: this thing going forward the first day he shows up. 484 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: The problem that I would have is, and I've always 485 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: believed this, the minute that people who start talking about retiring, 486 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: they probably retired, or the minute they start talking about 487 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at Aaron Rodgers and I'm thinking if 488 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: he is talking about not coming back to Green Bay 489 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: and not being part of this team, and then he 490 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: comes back, you know, And I know it's a job. 491 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: I know he's a winner and he's a talented player, 492 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: but god, I mean, there's a big part of this 493 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: game that relies on a guy's heart and a guy's 494 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: doing the extra and it would make me wonder. Now, 495 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a problem at all with the 496 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: floor the head coach and Aaron Rodgers. I think they're 497 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: problem They may still be communicating behind the scenes. I 498 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be an issue or not. 499 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: But if I'm in that locker room, I don't know, 500 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: I would be concerned that how are these other players 501 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: truly looking at Aaron? I mean, Aaron, are you all 502 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: in with us? Or just a one and done? It's 503 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: not going to be Listen, I could see Aaron just 504 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: trying to avoid getting hurt. Oh that's what I'm talking about. Absolutely, 505 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no question. I mean, you know, avoid being hurt. 506 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, what, do you like to win a Super Bowl? Absolutely? 507 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: He would, you know, but uh, I uh, it would 508 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: concern me because you know, and I've had those players 509 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: coach I'm going to retire, and then all of a 510 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: sudden they comes in and says, coach, I'm I'm back, 511 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm with you, and they come back and it just 512 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: never is the same. It's just never the same. And uh, 513 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: for for it to get to this way, you know, 514 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I mean, uh, you know, what 515 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: are the options you can I look at the draft. 516 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: They've got an offensive they signed a center, they signed 517 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: a receiver from Clemson, you know, an offensive tackle that 518 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: they've given them a little bit of support. Uh. I 519 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: think his chances are winning at Green Bay or as 520 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: good as any place in the league. You want to 521 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: go to New Orleans and now you're talking about Tom 522 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: Brady every week. I mean, where do you want to 523 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: go to Denver? And you got my homes? I mean, 524 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: there's no right now. He's the guy in the NFC Central, 525 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You've got cousins, and you've 526 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: got a new guy at the Bears. You got so 527 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't see there being a better avenue for him. Obviously, 528 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: winning is a great deodor, and you know he comes in, 529 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: they win some games, calling everybody's gonna be happy. But 530 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, at some point in the season when you 531 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: have that adversity and you've got to reach down in 532 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: there a little bit deeper. I just don't know it's there. 533 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: I talk to people with Tampa about a month ago, 534 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: and they said, when Tom Brady, God, they said, when 535 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: he walks into the building, I don't care if you're 536 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: a player or coach or trainer or weight coach. Everybody's 537 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: on eighth shelves because they know that Tom is just 538 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: so I'm you know, I'm into it. They did you 539 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: watch that blitz that Minnesota ran last week? And if 540 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: you're a player or maybe even a coach, you better 541 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: have an answer for him because he's watched it, you 542 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And and and and I'm serious. 543 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: That's that's that edge that Tom Brady has. And I 544 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: don't know how you know, house House. Is Aaron gonna 545 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: do extra time? Is he gonna put in all the 546 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: extra things that a quarterback needs to do to win 547 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl? You know, Dave, Three times in my 548 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: career I have left a company and I've known in 549 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: all three cases, I got about two months to go 550 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: or three months to go, and I know I'm leaving, 551 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: and I think I'm a worker, I'm focused, I'm a 552 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: driven guy. You cannot help but thinking about the next 553 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: place you're going to work, absolutely, no question, You're you're 554 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, yeah, And I agree with you, 555 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's a little bit of a problem. 556 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: And the players, you know right now, it's it's Aaron. 557 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: It's Aaron. He's the guy that you get in there 558 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: and gone for a bid. He plays bad or something happens, 559 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: and you know, now the thought comes in their mind. Boy, 560 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: if he'd have been with us at mini camp, if 561 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: he'd have been with us a training camp. You know, 562 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: who knows I mean, it's it's just not a good situation. No, 563 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: it's great for the It's great for the Bears. I 564 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: can tell you that I'm in Chicago and they're loving it. 565 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: They are loving it absolutely. By the way, is Justin 566 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: Fields He's going to obviously get a lot of snaps 567 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: in preseason. If I had to, if you had a 568 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: guest today, will he start week one? I'm gonna say no. 569 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't think week one. I think he's going to 570 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: be ready to play week one. And they may have 571 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: a package. They did some things with Mitch Early, a 572 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: limited package as we call it, of offensive plays. Justin's 573 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: gonna have that. I'm going up there to watch him 574 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: practice the thirty first next weekend, next Saturday. I want 575 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: to watch him practice, and I'll get around Matt, Maggie 576 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: and some of these guys up close and get a 577 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: lot better feel for what's going on. But this thing is, 578 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: to me, it's so simple, Matt, just do what the 579 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: kid can do and what he's done at Ohio State, 580 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: and back away from this other stuff. You've got a 581 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: top ten defense, maybe a top five defense. You gotta 582 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: outcome good running backs. You've got you know, quality tight 583 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: ends and receivers are as good as anybody in the conference. 584 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need to overthink this thing. In 585 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, give do what he can do, 586 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: give him a chance to have some success, and this 587 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: thing could really blossom. I really believe that. Do you 588 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: like the Bears old line, because I do, like um 589 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: Tarik Cohen comes back Montgomery. Do you like their old line? 590 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: They're good enough. They're good enough. I think they're solid, 591 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, in that division in the league. I think 592 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: they're in the middle of league. I think they're better. 593 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: You know, the offensive line's calling. They make the improvement 594 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: and you find out about your offensive line and training 595 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: camp when you're working on running the football, and that's 596 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: when these guys get their confidence and get better. And 597 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: that just hasn't been the case with the Bears. And 598 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's Week two and they 599 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: throw three interceptions and the media starts screaming about running 600 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: the ball. They decide, Okay, we're gonna go run a ball, 601 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,959 Speaker 1: and that's not really being fair the offensive linement because 602 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: they love to run the ball. You're a lot of 603 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the country anywhere. Call we NFL And 604 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: if you said you want to pass walker, do you 605 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: want to run the ball? Run? Walking is a lot easier. 606 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: Dave wanstat a lot of cowboys, little college bears. Aaron Rodgers. 607 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: Follow us at the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram, rate review, subscribe, 608 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: have great weekend, coach, love talking to you. Okay, See 609 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: the Volume