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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren.

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Speaker 2: Burnett, Elizabeth Clyde Dutton.

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Speaker 3: You know it's ridiculous. I do okay, hit me.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Orbach go on, Yes, rip to the man, the myth,

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Speaker 2: the legend.

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Speaker 3: Love him.

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Speaker 2: I know you love him. So I found this fun

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Speaker 2: fact out. I wanted to lay it on you. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was a Broadway actor right before he was on

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Speaker 2: Law and Order. Yes, okay, and so do you ever

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Speaker 2: hear that he was? He played kid Sally Palombo and

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Speaker 2: the play The Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight? No, it

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Speaker 2: was nineteen seventy one. It was interesting because the role

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Speaker 2: was based on a real gangster named Joseph Crazy Joey Gallo. Hm, No,

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Speaker 2: Joseph Crazy Joey gallow was actually a friend of Jerry Orbo's. Really,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, like Jerry Orbach's like, it's interesting that he

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Speaker 2: plays a cop because he was friends with this mobster.

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Speaker 2: But not only was he friends with him, he was

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Speaker 2: so tight with this guy. They were out together on

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Speaker 2: the night that Joey Gallo was whacked in nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, And not only that, but when asked about it,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Arbuck refused to cooperate with the police and give

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Speaker 2: them any eyewitness details or anything helpful.

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Speaker 3: Well, because he wants to live too.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, when asked about it, when the all

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Speaker 2: of the risks to his safety were gone, the statute

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Speaker 2: of limitations are gone, all the mobsters are dead and gone,

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Speaker 2: he took this secret to his grave. Wow. So apparently

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Speaker 2: he was tight with a real live mobster, crazy Joey,

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Speaker 2: and he held his secrets to his deathbed.

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Speaker 3: I love that. That is ridiculous, right. Do you want

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Speaker 3: to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I'm here for it, doing it all for the gram

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Speaker 3: and then losing it all because of the Grams. This

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Damn right you are, Saren, Yes.

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Speaker 3: I have for you an artist. Really No, I'm not

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Speaker 3: doing another art crime. Thank you for asking. You're welcome. No,

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Speaker 3: this is a con artist.

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Speaker 2: Ah, my kind of artist, raisin.

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Speaker 3: Con artists who's part of a much larger net of

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Speaker 3: con artists and criminals. I'm talking about Internet scammers. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of scamming on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: No, I've heard this. Yeah, I mean I've never come

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Speaker 2: across it personally, but I've heard.

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Speaker 3: That it's perfect for scamming. Yes, because you got the anonymity,

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Speaker 3: the distance involved, the levels of experience and comfort online.

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Speaker 2: Yes, some people know and some people do not know.

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Speaker 3: Right, And if you have savvy criminals and naive newly

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Speaker 3: digital folks, yes, yeah, got crime.

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Speaker 2: It'd be like if you're on the freeway and you

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Speaker 2: could just put a stick out and take something for

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Speaker 2: someone's car, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And like, you know all about the Nigerian prince scams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm familiar, man, Yes, you're familiar of them. So

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Speaker 2: I fell victory of that scam twice. Why are you

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Speaker 2: bringing this up?

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to hash up.

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Speaker 2: I should have given you nobody scams there, and I

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Speaker 2: try to play it off and act like I've heard

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Speaker 2: of them. Elizabeth. Then you're like Nigerian print scams.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, okay, you know how terrible my memory is.

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Speaker 3: I think one of us probably you talked about the

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Speaker 3: Nigerian romance scammers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've brought it up, I think during the year

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so anyway, these are common, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Very common, in fact, so much so that they become

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Speaker 2: a trope.

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Speaker 3: Yes. And then in what I want to tell you

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Speaker 3: about today, there's a nice influencer overlap as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love this.

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Speaker 3: I know you know. I can't stand influencers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know this.

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Speaker 3: I refuse to be influenced is basically what it comes

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Speaker 3: down to. I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: See you are stubborn and charlish and you were refused

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want to see when prants are around then,

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Speaker 3: like pricey vacation spots with their rump hanging out fuzzy.

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Speaker 2: It's not for me a pricey vacation spot.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want to do any part of that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to see him. Like carrying a sh

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Speaker 2: You just want to see the small animal that's inside

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Speaker 2: the bag.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I want to liberate the small animal. Everything is

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Speaker 3: always in that like oversaturated tone in these pictures. When

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Speaker 3: I see the Instagram photos like that, all I can

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Speaker 3: think of is what it looked like when they were

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Speaker 3: trying to get that shot. Oh yeah, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: like how when I hear a jingle on the radio

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Speaker 3: or TV, Like if I watch TV, all I can

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Speaker 3: do is imagine someone in the studio recording it, like

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Speaker 3: grab your keys, come on, let's go. Yeah that's great, Steve,

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Speaker 3: but can we take that again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And he notes, Yeah, give me a little more of

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Speaker 3: the growl on the grab make it come alive. Get

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Speaker 3: some I want to feel the burn of gunning a

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Speaker 3: Toyota Corolla on the open highway. You got it, grab keys?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: That's see, that's it. We got it. So anyway back

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Speaker 3: to influence.

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Speaker 2: The news people, we got it.

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Speaker 3: The multiple takes. Seriously, if you ever want, like listen

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Speaker 3: to the radio, all I can think of is someone

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Speaker 2: I want baby, you've seen that, right, they showed the

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Speaker 2: recording of that. People that are like, we to see

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Speaker 3: But so when you have the influencers online with the pictures,

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Speaker 3: they have the multiple takes, like you got like the

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Speaker 3: beleaguered friend or assistant trying to direct them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a friend who is basically this an

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Speaker 2: Instagram influencer and I'm not gonna name names, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: they won't figure out who I'm talking about, but I'll

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Speaker 2: take the chance. And I've had to take photos for

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Speaker 2: them in public places, and the thing that they do

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Speaker 2: that always kills me is that we'll be sitting They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I guess you could take this photo, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I know you're disappointed that I'm the one taking this photo,

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Speaker 2: so let's see if we can do this. I'll take

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Speaker 2: like nine or twelve. I know none of them are

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Speaker 2: gonna be good. Maybe you'll get one you like. So

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to lean into the thing that you hate.

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to give it a go. But then they

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Speaker 2: just like, just be, I'll take photos of you being Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're like no, no, here ready, and then the lact

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Speaker 2: like they're talking to someone off screen, like Nathan Fielder,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the hell is this? Like, just be,

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Speaker 2: I could do a candid shot, but no, they're like, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do fake candid here. I think this

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Speaker 2: is my good angle.

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Speaker 3: See the fake laugh and there's no one. Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: like when the little skinny gals pose with some like

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Speaker 3: crazy in coction that's like cake and syrups and ice

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Speaker 3: cream and like somehow coffee and sprinkles and candy bars,

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Speaker 3: and it's in that appealing color palette and it's like

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Speaker 3: nine thousand calories and then they look like they're about

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Speaker 3: to take a big bite, but in reality they just

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Speaker 3: take the picture and then throw it in the trash.

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Speaker 3: Even though it costs like thirty five bucks, it probably

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Speaker 2: I don't even give it to like a teenage route sime.

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Speaker 3: No, they just jump in and keep moving. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: there's like the multiple attempts to get a shot of

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Speaker 3: someone jumping in the surf, oh abandoned tropical paradise, trying

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Speaker 3: not to look like a drowned rat. There's also like

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Speaker 3: the guys in the ill fitting suits, Like what's up

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Speaker 3: with like the clam digger suits, Like that's what, like

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Speaker 3: you hulked out and grew out of a suit?

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Speaker 2: No, that is a bad American attempt to do the

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Speaker 2: European suit right, but.

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Speaker 3: It's always like to tight across.

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Speaker 2: You've noticed that their suits ride high on the ankle bone,

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Speaker 2: So we're like, okay, everything needs to ride high, the leaves,

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Speaker 3: You know, it is really bad about that and who

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Speaker 3: I really want to eventually do an episode on. It's

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Speaker 3: probably gonna be like a year or two. Tell me

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Speaker 3: George Santo's Oh yeah, like he's got like this. He

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Speaker 3: thinks skinny jeans or suit slacks, Like, yeah, don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going on record.

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Speaker 2: You know who also used to do this, John Wayne.

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Speaker 2: He was known for making Edith head and whatever other

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Speaker 2: designers put his clothing a little bit smaller than it

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Speaker 2: him look bigger. I'm just hulking out, erupting. Also, he

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Speaker 2: rode smaller horses, so he looked bigger than other people

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Speaker 3: Did not know that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh god, there's a history.

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Speaker 3: So here we are. I promise you I'm getting somewhere

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Speaker 3: with it. Let's talk about Ray. Hushpuppy.

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Speaker 2: What the hell? Ray?

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Speaker 3: That's a hushpuppy with an eye.

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Speaker 2: By the way, do not tell me the hushpuppy is

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Speaker 2: a name of it. It's not like Ray. Oh, we

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Speaker 2: took a word and we said hush.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Ray, and then hushpuppy all one word. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: why is not there? It's an eye?

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Speaker 2: He did not found the shoe company Hushpuppies.

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Speaker 3: No he did not.

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Speaker 2: He was born God, I was going to lose my

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Speaker 2: mind if he's founded Hush Puppies.

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Speaker 3: No, he was born Raymond A Boss in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: two in Nigeria, ok And he was known as a

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Speaker 3: Yahoo boy. Oh. And that's the Nigerian term for men

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Speaker 3: who commit those romance scams by stealing identities and then

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Speaker 3: they swindle their none the wiser lovers.

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Speaker 2: So his street name in the online world was hushpupp.

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Speaker 3: Is Ray Hushpuppy Okay, and then he just went by Hushpuppy.

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Speaker 3: And so there have a name for this, the Yahoo

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Speaker 3: boys who knew apparently people people knew so a boss.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he had an Instagram account. In the bio,

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Speaker 3: he said he was a real estate developer. I mean,

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Speaker 3: aren't we all. Aren't we all just developing the real

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Speaker 3: estate of our hopes and dreams, our futures and vibes.

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Speaker 2: I'm just really trying to dress up the curb appeal

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Speaker 2: of my future.

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Speaker 3: So he was all about that influencer life, like once

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Speaker 3: he'd fleeced the lovelorn. Sure, so his account was full

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Speaker 3: of shots of him living the good life. He's hanging

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Speaker 3: out with Nigerian sports stars and celebrities. Did you know

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Speaker 3: there's a BBC news pigeon. What Yeah, what.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying to me right now?

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Speaker 3: P I D G I N oh yeah, okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Wish you would hit that d a little harder.

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Speaker 3: It's the online news service of West Africa. Yes, I'm familiar,

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Speaker 3: phenomenal like I didn't know this and so it's all

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Speaker 3: written in that and then anyway, so hush puppy, hush

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Speaker 3: puppy with an eye. His Instagram isn't up anymore.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Oh all right, well yeah, usually when

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Speaker 3: Yeah so but when it was, yes, you'd catch him

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Speaker 3: And so he'd be dashing off from his waterfront apartment

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Speaker 3: How to quote the great Sean Carter, it's still the

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Speaker 2: That use it, Like, we don't call that.

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Speaker 3: It's so like chat GPT give me a really obnoxious

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Speaker 3: And he didn't limit himself to Instagram. He was on Snapchat.

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Speaker 2: Already, was on everything with a little weird emoji exactly.

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Speaker 3: So over on Snapchat he called himself billionaire Gucci Master.

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Speaker 2: Course he's got good taste. I mean, I can't fallo

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Speaker 3: So keep in mind, though, paying for this are women

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Speaker 3: And you know how like Instagram lets you log in

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Speaker 3: So, in June of twenty twenty, thirty seven year old

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Speaker 2: Oh? Is he only like an Interpol red list?

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Speaker 3: Yes? So authorities seized thirteen luxury cars worth six point

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Speaker 3: The two million is like if he had scammed all

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, dude, that's just his It's like a leads list.

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Speaker 2: It's not really wod and contacted these people.

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Speaker 3: So he was extradited to the US on July second,

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Speaker 3: more followers. He didn't see it coming. Just two weeks

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Speaker 2: So I like the idea that God's super petty is

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Speaker 3: Boss and God's like watch this, so Gal Pozzetsky is

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Speaker 3: a Hushpuppi's attorney sure hushpuppy with an eye, refused to

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Speaker 3: share how his client earns a living good. He told

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Speaker 2: Daha, he was kidnapped by the authority because he.

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Speaker 3: So, since social media the fatal talksin of our time

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Speaker 2: You know, hush up Woodberry and their coconspirat or corn

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Speaker 3: Bread with a qu puppy with an eye. It was

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Speaker 3: let you know what's under the water on this iceberg. Welcome, hey, Zarin.

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Speaker 2: The Dubai police, Elizabeth, do you know about their supercar collection?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is that not ridiculous? They have, like you name a supercar.

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Speaker 3: And they have this guy and they have the supercar graveyards,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely, they wrote They ruin their McLarens and

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Speaker 3: Yes, amazing. Oh wealth. So when we left off Ramon,

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Speaker 3: He'd been arrested in the UAE the same month he

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Speaker 3: fourteen point seven million dollar heist of a foreign financial

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Speaker 3: He sent his co conspirator the account details for a

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: And On July third, twenty twenty, he appeared in federal

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Speaker 2: It's just about to say, it sounds like he's the

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Speaker 2: That's why they had the crazy numbers. Could you send

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Speaker 2: forty one million? I'm like, that cannot be just his.

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Speaker 2: That has to be like a group, and that has

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Speaker 3: Well, because that's the thing is that prosecutors are like,

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Speaker 2: But also he's like the stringer bell, he's the money

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Speaker 3: No you'll see. So he's part of this you know

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Speaker 3: of BECs to steal hundreds of millions of dollars. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: what are b ecs? Thanks for asking? Gang. BC schemes

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00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 3: involved business email communications being re routed to intercept wire transfers.

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Speaker 3: So all the cars and clothes and jets and jewelry

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Speaker 3: and posh apartments were funded by these hacking schemes that

442
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 3: ripped off millions of dollars from major US and European companies.

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Speaker 3: That's where the big money was coming from, not the

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Speaker 3: just like chumps.

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Speaker 2: You know, nous I didn't think that the money was

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Speaker 2: coming from the romance jumps. But I was thinking that

447
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Speaker 2: he is the banker for those big money moves, and

448
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Speaker 2: that he's also the clearing house for the smaller money

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Speaker 2: moves kind of yeah, if you have forty one million dollars, yeah, guessing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it ain't just all you are. Yeah, So, US

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Speaker 3: attorney Nick Hannas said, quote, BC schemes are one of

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Speaker 3: the most difficult cyber crimes we encounter, as they typically

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Speaker 3: involve a coordinated group of con artists scattered around the

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Speaker 3: world who have experience with computer hacking and exploiting the

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Speaker 3: international financial system. So in twenty nineteen, Paul Delacort of

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Speaker 3: the FBI said that they recorded one point seven billion

457
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Speaker 3: in losses by companies and individuals who are victims of

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Speaker 3: BC scams. Dude, so all together, now, d it's a

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Speaker 3: lot of point seven billion. That's a huge This is

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Speaker 3: where all the.

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Speaker 2: Big stuff is, like, I mean the denial, like when

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Speaker 2: they go out and they do the ransom attacks that

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Speaker 2: you don't know how many billions are getting on those

464
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Speaker 2: ransoms exactly, like do you want your stuff back? It's

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Speaker 2: not just counties and hospitals. They're doing it to everybody.

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Speaker 3: They came exactly, so a boss. He also got accused

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Speaker 3: of conspiring to be part of a scheme to steal

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four million dollars from an English

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Speaker 3: Premier League soccer club Sadly, the complaint didn't say which

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Speaker 3: team was the target.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: It also didn't say whether or not the theft attempt

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Speaker 3: was successful, So maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of the man's.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of hoping it was Newcastle, I really yeah,

476
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Speaker 3: but and I really liked the name Crystal Palace, so

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Speaker 3: I hope it wasn't them anyway. According to a federal affidavit,

478
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Speaker 3: a client of a New York based law firm is

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Speaker 3: one of the victims, and the client lost nearly a

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Speaker 3: million dollars. In twenty nineteen, the FBI said that a boss,

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Speaker 3: hushpuppy with an eye and others tricked a paralegal at

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Speaker 3: the firm into wiring money meant for a real estate

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Speaker 3: refinance to an account a boss and his co conspirators

484
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Speaker 3: were using, so they sent fraudulent wire instructions to this

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Speaker 3: paralegal in an email that appeared to be coming from

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Speaker 3: a legitimate bank. It was, however, what we in the

487
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Speaker 3: BIS call spoofed a boss. He sent his co conspirator

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Speaker 3: an image of the wire transfer confirmation for the transaction

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Speaker 3: that was made. US attorney Nick Canna said, quote, this

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Speaker 3: case targets a key player in a large transnational conspiracy

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Speaker 3: who is living an opulent lifestyle in another country while

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Speaker 3: allegedly providing safe havens for stolen money around the world.

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Speaker 3: As this case demonstrates, my office will continue to hold

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Speaker 3: such criminals accountable no matter where they live. See this

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Speaker 3: is exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Here's the bank.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. US attorney Martin Estrada said, quote, money laundering and

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Speaker 3: business email compromise scams are a massive international crime problem,

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Speaker 3: and we will continue to work with our law enforcement

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Speaker 3: and international partners to identify and prosecute those involved wherever

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Speaker 3: they may be.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised that these guys got caught.

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Speaker 3: Well. Instagram, so hush puppy. He faced up to twenty

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Speaker 3: years for these crimes. November of twenty twenty, one of

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Speaker 3: his co conspirators, Galeb Alomari of Ontario, Canada, he agreed

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Speaker 3: to plead guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit

507
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Speaker 3: money laundering in two cases, one of which was filed

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Speaker 3: in La he caught to it. He admitted to being

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Speaker 3: a high level money launderer for multiple criminal enterprises and

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Speaker 3: included ATM cash out operations? Elizabeth, what are ATMs?

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth? I got a question for you. What's an ATM

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Speaker 2: cash out operation?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for asking, late Senator Ted Stevens. In the Great

514
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Speaker 3: State of Alaska. An ATM cash out operation is an

515
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Speaker 3: elaborate and choreographed dance routine involving the music of Lou Bega,

516
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Speaker 3: specifically the song Mambo number five Get out Now I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3: An ATM cash out is an elaborate and choreographed attack

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Speaker 3: where criminals crack into bank or card processing centers and

519
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: then mess with fraud detection controls and alter customer accounts.

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Speaker 3: So this makes it so there are no withdrawal limits

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Speaker 3: on a bunch of ATMs in a short period of time.

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Speaker 2: That's fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So al Mauri he organized recruits to withdraw stolen

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Speaker 3: cash from ATMs by providing bank accounts that had received

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Speaker 3: funds from fraud schemes and cyber heist and once the

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Speaker 3: funds were in the accounts controlled by Alomari, he would

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Speaker 3: further launder the money through wire transfers, cash withdrawals, and

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Speaker 3: exchanging the money for cryptocurrency crypto.

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Speaker 2: That was going to come in.

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Speaker 3: You knew it was bound up up sooner or later.

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Speaker 3: So the funds laundered included those that came out of

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Speaker 3: crimes committed in North Korea. Wow, yeah, which crime?

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Speaker 2: Which crimes? Elizabeth in North Korea?

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Speaker 3: For example, we'll have crimes in North Korea. There was

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Speaker 3: a twenty eighteen ATM cash out theft from Bankislami in Pakistan.

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Speaker 3: He also conspired with others to send spoofed emails to

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Speaker 3: a Canadian university in twenty seventeen, and the emails looked

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Speaker 3: like they were sent from a construction company trying to

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Speaker 3: get paid for a building project. So the university wired

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Speaker 3: eleven point eight million Canadian dollars that's nine point four

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Speaker 3: million US sure to a bank account controlled by Alu

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Speaker 3: Mariri and his co conspirators, thinking that they were paying

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Speaker 3: the construction company. That wow, you wire eleven point eight

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Speaker 3: million Canadian.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean this is the thing I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: is that we are shocked by it. But not on

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Speaker 2: their budget. I mean they're budgets billions of dollars, so

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Speaker 2: eree million dollars is not that much of their budget.

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Speaker 2: So I bet didn't even have that much oversight. I

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Speaker 2: bet it was like one or two people who handled that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was also accused of having co conspirators in

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Speaker 3: the US make multiple trips to Texas to impersonate wealthy

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Speaker 3: bank customers. All how did partners.

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Speaker 2: Had on with a thick Nigeria? Actually they had all.

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Speaker 3: These stolen identities. September eighth, twenty twenty one is part

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Speaker 3: of his sentence that covers both cases. Alamari was sentenced

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Speaker 3: to eleven years and ordered to pay thirty million dollars

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Speaker 3: in restitution. So let's wind it back a little. That's

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Speaker 3: twenty September twenty twenty one. Le's go back to February seventeenth,

560
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and go back to the North Koreans. So,

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Speaker 3: three North Korean computer programmers were charged for participation in

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Speaker 3: a huge criminal conspiracy to pull off cyber attacks and

563
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: steal and extort more than one point three billion with

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Speaker 3: a b in cash and crypto. So they then made

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Speaker 3: and carried out a bunch of malicious cryptocurrency applications and

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Speaker 3: it was all a part of a scheme to develop

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Speaker 3: and fraudulently market a blockchain platform. Really, yeah, Acting US

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Speaker 3: Attorney Tracy Wilkinson said, quote, the scope of the criminal

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Speaker 3: conduct by the North Korean hackers was extensive and long running,

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Speaker 3: and the range of crimes they have committed is staggering.

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Speaker 3: The conduct detailed in the indictment are the acts of

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Speaker 3: a criminal nation state that has stopped at nothing to

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Speaker 3: extract revenge and obtain money to prop up its regime.

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Speaker 2: I saw recently the bitcoin is once again trending, like

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Speaker 2: it's the prices going back up, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: how do they get enough fools to back together? Like,

577
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Speaker 2: how do they get the band back together to get

578
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Speaker 2: the price they're all excited again. I was like, whoa.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I understand what North Korea. North Korea looks

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Speaker 2: at this and they're like, oh, yes, let's just run

581
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Speaker 2: shop on these capitalists. But how can you continue this?

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Speaker 3: I don't know clearly. Let me tell you, let me

583
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Speaker 3: tell you more about what you know. Law enforcement in

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Speaker 3: the US had to say, sure so. Assistant Attorney General

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Speaker 3: Don Demmers of the Justice Department's National Security Division said

586
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Speaker 3: he chimed in on this all quote. As laid out

587
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Speaker 3: in today's indictment, North Korea is opered using keyboards rather

588
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Speaker 3: than masks and guns. Are the world's leading twenty first

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Speaker 3: century nation state bank robbers. The Department will continue to

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Speaker 3: confront malicious nation state cyberactivity with our unique tools and

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Speaker 3: work with our fellow agencies and the family of norms

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Speaker 3: abiding nations to do the same. What the Assistant Director

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Speaker 3: in charge of the FBI's LA Field Office don all

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Speaker 3: I have to say about this there, And I'm sure

595
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 3: you were wondering what you said? He said, A boss

596
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: leveraged his social media platforms to gain notoriety and to

597
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: brag about the immense wealth he acquired by conducting business,

598
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: email compromise scams, online bank heis and other cyber enabled

599
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: fraud that financially ruined scores of victims and provided assistance

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Speaker 3: to the North Korean regime. So they all start all

601
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Speaker 3: tying it together. They alleged that John Chang Chok, Kim Ill,

602
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Speaker 3: and Park Jinchok were members of the Reconnaissance General Bureau RGB,

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Speaker 3: a military intelligence agency of the Democratic People's Republic of

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Speaker 3: Korea North Korea Sure Army. Their government hackers with a

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Speaker 3: z SO North Korean military hacking units. They go by

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Speaker 3: a grip of names.

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Speaker 2: What are some of these names?

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Lazarus Group Advanced Persistent Threat thirty eight WOW APT

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Speaker 3: thirty eight Okay, yeah, whatever, So it was alleged that

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Speaker 3: these groups engaged in a single conspiracy to steal data

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Speaker 3: and money, cause damage, you know, otherwise further the strategic

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Speaker 3: and financial interests of the North Korean government and its leader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, carrying down the capitalist pigs, which pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 3: The indictment described all of the criminal cyber activities undertaken

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Speaker 3: by the conspiracy, both in the US and abroad, that

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Speaker 3: were conducted either for revenge or financial gain. Okay, do

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Speaker 3: you want to hear them all?

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Speaker 2: Sure? On me?

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Speaker 3: You totally.

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Speaker 2: You got to look at me. I'm the kind of guy.

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Speaker 3: The cyber attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment in November.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, we need to cover that.

623
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Speaker 3: In retaliation for the Interview the Seth Rogan James Franco

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Speaker 3: movie about journalists who set up an interview with North

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Speaker 3: Korean leader Kim Jong un, only to be recruited by

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Speaker 3: the CIA to assassinate him. Plus, on top of that,

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Speaker 3: the December twenty fourteenth iber attack on AMC theaters which

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00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: had scheduled to screen the film.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: Then we go the twenty fifteen intrusion of Mammoth Screen,

631
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Speaker 3: which was producing a fictional series about a British nuclear

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Speaker 3: scientist taken prisoner in North Korea.

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Speaker 2: You know that the North Koreans have a very special

634
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Speaker 2: place for American cinema, so to be to have it

635
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Speaker 2: turn on them and say, oh, we're going to have

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Speaker 2: these two bozos kill the premiere of North Korea. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and when he's like, my father taught me to love

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Speaker 2: and respect film, how dare he is a betraying I'm

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Speaker 2: going to bring you to your knees. I get it.

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00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: I can see you like, why start with that hornet's mess?

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00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: So twenty fifteen through twenty nineteen, they made attempts to

642
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: steal over one point two billion from banks in Africa, Bangladesh, Malta, Mexico, Taiwan,

643
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: and Vietnam by hacking the bank's computer networks and sending

644
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: fraudulent Society of Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications swift messages.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: They did the cash out scams, the ATM cash out scams,

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Speaker 3: the government was calling them fast cash was in October

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Speaker 3: of twenty eighteen six point one million from Bank Islami

649
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Speaker 3: and Pakistan as I said. They created want to cry

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Speaker 3: two point zero ransomware. Oh that was them in May

651
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Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen, which is the also the extortion and

652
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: attempted extortion of victim companies from twenty seventeen through twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty because they were using it to steal sensitive data

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Speaker 3: and ipoy other ransomware that was a nuts one. They

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00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: developed several malicious cryptocurrency applications from March of twenty eighteen

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Speaker 3: through at least September of twenty twenty. These included sell

657
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Speaker 3: us Trade, pro World, bitbot I Crypto, fx Union Crypto Trader,

658
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: Coupe Wallet, Coino Trade, Drusio Crypto, Neurotrader, and ants two

659
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: whale and that gave North Korean hackers a backdoor into

660
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Speaker 3: victims computers. So rude, dudes, if you have any of those,

661
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: you're screwed.

662
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Speaker 2: So wait, they didn't just like take the people's money.

663
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: They just wanted to get into their computer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

665
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Speaker 2: Okay, so if it is free, you are the product

666
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: completely completely.

667
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Speaker 3: So they tre targeted hundreds of cryptocurrency companies and the

668
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: theft of tens of millions of dollars worth of crypto,

669
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Speaker 3: including seventy five million from a Slovenian cryptocurrency company in

670
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: December of twenty seventeen, twenty four point nine from an

671
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: Indonesian crypto company in September of twenty eighteen, eleven point

672
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: eight million from a financial services company in New York

673
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: in August of twenty twenty, in which the hackers used

674
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: crypto Neurotrader application as a backdoor. So the quantities are insane.

675
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: Do you know what spearfishing is? Fishing with a pH?

676
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: Just like hushpuppy with an eye?

677
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: Yes, but please tell me, Elizabeth, what is spearfishing with

678
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: a pH?

679
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. It's a type of phishing campaign

680
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: pH fishing that targets a specific person or group and

681
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: includes information known to be of interest to the target,

682
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: such as current events or financial documents. So the North

683
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: Koreans pulled off a ton of these from March of

684
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen through February twenty twenty that targeted employees of

685
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Speaker 3: the US Cleared Defense Contractors, energy company, these aerospace companies,

686
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: technology companies, US Department of State, Department of Defense. They

687
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: did with like Kim Kardashian updates, Oh yeah, totally, they

688
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: like want to see the video click here?

689
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: Then we never believe this dress.

690
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: Then there was the development and marketing in twenty seventeen

691
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: and twenty eighteen of the Marine chain token to enable

692
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: investors to purchase fractional ownership interests in marine shipping vessels

693
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: what supported by a blockchain, which would allow North Korea

694
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: to obtain funds from investors, secretly control interests in marine

695
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: shipping vessels and evade US sanctions. Wow, right, there's quite

696
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: a list.

697
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Where there's a will, there's a North Korea.

698
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you digest that listes. Let's take a break.

699
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll check back in with our

700
00:32:43,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: main attraction. Hushpuppy. That's hushpuppy with an eye, Zaren Elizabeth,

701
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: close your eyes.

702
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: Wow, you just came right at me with it.

703
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: I know, no warm up. I want you to picture it. Yes,

704
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: it's February of twenty nineteen, and you are a vice

705
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: president at the Maltese Bank of Valletta, in where else Malta.

706
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: Things just haven't gone well for you. Today. You slept

707
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: through your alarm and you had to race out the door,

708
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: only to find that the neighbor's dog had tipped over

709
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: your garbage can and strewn your trash all over the block.

710
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: No time for that you'll take care of it when

711
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: you get home. You stop at the cafe next to

712
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: the bank and are almost hit by a bike as

713
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: you enter at the shop. As you walk out, cappuccino

714
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: in hand, another bike almost hits you, and you spill

715
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: your drink all over your new swedge shoes. You head

716
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: into the bank's enormous headquarters, hoping for a calm day

717
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 3: to counter your terrible morning. All is quiet, and you

718
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: cross the large lobby and head for the elevators. You

719
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: get to your desk and your assistant is already there,

720
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: clicking through the reconciliations of international transactions that went through overnight.

721
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: There's a pause as he stops to check something on

722
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: the screen. He sighs loudly and keeps clicking. Just then

723
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: the phones begin to ring, not just yours, but everybody's.

724
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: You answer your line and listen intently at the stern

725
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: voice on the other end. You gasp, No, it seems

726
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: your bank has been the victim of a cyber attack.

727
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: International payments went to banks in Britain, the Czech Republic,

728
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: the United States, and Hong Kong, but there were discrepancies.

729
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: The money went out, but there wasn't enough money in

730
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: there in the first place to send it is chaos

731
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 3: in the office, phones ring, fax machines, were papers, fly, keyboards, black.

732
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: Eleven payments totaling thirteen million euros went out, and now

733
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: the bank is trying to get it all back. You

734
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: watch helplessly as the Bank of Valletta suspends its operations

735
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 3: and closes branches all over Malta, closes ATMs all over

736
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: the world. It shuts down its website, sending customers and

737
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: other countries into a panic because they can't use their

738
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: predator ATM cards. The funds would eventually be charged back

739
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: and everything would be fixed, except for your suede shoes. Shoes,

740
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: no fix in those. So the FBI and the US

741
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: Attorney's Office they got seizure warrants authorizing the FBI to

742
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: seize cryptocurrency stolen by North Korean hackers from a victim

743
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: in the indictment of financial services company in New York

744
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: held it to cryptocurrency exchanges. The seizures included cryptocurrencies in

745
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: amounts that like came up to about one point nine

746
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: million dollars, which would be returned to the victim. So

747
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: John Kim and Park they were all charged with one

748
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: count of conspiracy to commit computer fraud and abuse and

749
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: that carried a statutory maximum sentence of five years in prison,

750
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and

751
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: bank fraud, which carries a maximum sentence of thirty years

752
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: in prison.

753
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: They're being all this is taking place in absentia. They're

754
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: still in North Korea.

755
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so the charges don't stop there. July twenty ninth,

756
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, a boss aka Hushpuppy with an I,

757
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: admit being involved in a conspiracy to defraud a Katari

758
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: businessman of more than a million dollars. He admitted to

759
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: money laundering quote through bank accounts around the world that

760
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: included several other cyber and business email compromise schemes that

761
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: cumulatively caused more than twenty four million dollars in losses.

762
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: So that was in a released statement. A boss pleaded

763
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: guilty to the charges. April twentieth, twenty twenty one. For

764
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: twenty bro a boss identified a Deputy Commissioner of Police

765
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: in Nigeria, Abbi Kiari, as an accomplice in his one

766
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: million dollar Katari scam deal. The next day, the FBI

767
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: arrested Kiari, who was further implicated after a conversation that

768
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: took place between him and a boss was released. So

769
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: what's the Katari scam? A boss and the other defendants

770
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: faked financing a school by posing as bank officials, and

771
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: they made a fake website in order to convince this

772
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Katari businessman to relinquish the requested funds. And according to Wilkinson,

773
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: the scammers also quote bribe to foreign official to keep

774
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 3: the elaborate pretois it's going after the victim was tipped off.

775
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So one thing I'm noticing is that they

776
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: go for a lot of like high dollar targets.

777
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

778
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: So obviously you know institutions and stuff that have the money,

779
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: banks and so forth, but also individuals. And from what

780
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: I understand, at least, what Hollywood makes people believe is

781
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: that if you go after enough of them, they'll hire

782
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: a hitman from one of the various hitman agencies that

783
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: are out there for the ultra rich, and then they

784
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: would just take these people down with like former military people.

785
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: Apparently Hollywood has been misleading me. I think how easy

786
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: it is for these rich people to hire one of

787
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: these ultra elite assassins to take out somebody who's taken

788
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: a million dollars from them.

789
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think so. Well these scammers they got one

790
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: point one million from the Katar, I know.

791
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, but none of them are hiring the No.

792
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 3: No, he just sat there and cried while they turned around.

793
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: And they used that money to quote purchase of Richard

794
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: Neil r M eleven three watch, which was hand delivered

795
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: to a boss in Dubai and subsequently appeared in Hushpuppies.

796
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: Social media hosts ah busted by the ground watches. Yeah,

797
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: always so. Official documents said that a boss also used

798
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: some of the money to allegedly obtain quote Saint Christopher

799
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: and Nevis citizenship, as well as a passport for a boss,

800
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: obtained by creating a false marriage certificate and then bribing

801
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: a government official in Saint Kitts.

802
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Are there like any legitimate citizens of Nevis and the

803
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: Saint Kits or Antigua or any of those. Feels sure

804
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: there are. I'm sure there's a lot of local but

805
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean the people who want to go becose incomers,

806
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Like where it's like, Hey, a

807
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: recent citizen who's like oh yeah, Oh that's yeah.

808
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: They're all shady and and I won't apologize for that

809
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 3: broad statement. So a boss, though, hush puppy. He had

810
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: his defenders, hushpuppy loyalists. A Lagos driver described him as

811
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: quote generous, further saying he used to buy beer for

812
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: everyone around. Well, then hey, I'm.

813
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: Sorry, let him go. I take it back, man, that

814
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: generous he bought beer for everyone around.

815
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: They get too and moms to write a letter for

816
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: him appealing for leniency, saying that he helped out widows

817
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: and orphans on a regular basis and that he made

818
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: donations to food programs.

819
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Look, if you're buying beer for widows and orphans, I don't.

820
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: Care who you're doing the lord's work. So oh well,

821
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: too bad, So sad A boss get sentenced to eleven

822
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: years in prison, and he was ordered to pay one

823
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: point seven million in restitution to two different fraud victims.

824
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: Yeah so, September ninth, twenty twenty, you must have seized

825
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: I think so. He hand wrote a three page letter

826
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 3: to the judge telling him all about his two years

827
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: in detention. Like he did two years, He writes this letter,

828
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: rible and our researcher Andrea wanted it noted that he

829
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: has really cool handwriting, so in the letter he wrote

830
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: good note, he wrote quote, since I have been incarcerated,

831
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: I have had enough time to reflect on the past,

832
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: and I regret letting greed ruin the good name of

833
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: my family, my blessing, and my name, your honor. I

834
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: make no excuse for my actions, and I take full

835
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: responsibility for what I've done. If I could turn back

836
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: the ha end of time, I would make an entirely

837
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: different decision and be more careful in the choices and

838
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: friends I make.

839
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: If I could turn back time like he.

840
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: Wasn't just apologizing in this three page letter, that was good.

841
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: Do it again.

842
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know how I did that.

843
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: Do you give it like I'll do it like it's

844
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: a car commercial, all right? Give it to me a

845
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: little bit, put a little more emphasis, more moove.

846
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: If I could turn back time.

847
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: That's great, that's great. Thank you.

848
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: Takes a job.

849
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: You totally got your hired. So this letter, it also

850
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: explained in detail how his co conspirators would reach out

851
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: to him to decide which business to scam, or to

852
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: request bank information to transfer illegally obtain funds. So he's

853
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: already busted, but he's like, you know what, I gotta

854
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: tell you more.

855
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: You guys asked the right questions.

856
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: So hush Puppy's life is like something out of Hollywood,

857
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: not just the Instagram glamour of it, but the criming.

858
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know.

859
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: What that means. The cameras came calling. There are documentaries

860
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: about Hush Puppy from both Bloomberg and BBC Africa, and

861
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: Curtis James Jackson the Third aka fifty Cent, has entered

862
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 3: the chat. He announced on Instagram in November of twenty

863
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: two that he intends to shoot a series about the

864
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: life of a boss.

865
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Wow, like, are one of the power series?

866
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: I guess so instead of getting Richard Die trying, Hushpuppy

867
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 3: got rich and then tried lying, Hey, do you know

868
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: how much Hushpuppy with and I made off the various

869
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: scams and cyber attacks that like what was his take home?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand the question. Do you mean how

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Speaker 2: much he pulled or how much was in his house?

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Speaker 3: How much of like his NOTT was even in his house,

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Speaker 3: because some of that had to be But like how

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Speaker 3: much did he spent of all the stuff that he

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Speaker 3: how much did he get to spend four million dollars?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say twenty four million dollars? Nice?

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Speaker 3: What is your ridiculous takeaways? Aaron? Thank you for asking that.

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Speaker 2: You just totally believe I said twenty four million dollars

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00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: right after you did, and you thought I said that.

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00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: I didn't think that at all. Now my ridiculous takeaway

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Speaker 2: is I can't believe that the found under of Hush

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Speaker 2: Puppy we go and do all this stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like Sara, you brought us these wonderful shoes. Your families

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00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: can be so disappointed. I mean, a soft soled shoeman

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Speaker 2: should not be involved in these types of crime.

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Speaker 3: Can.

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Speaker 2: In all honesty, I can't believe is how prolifically successful

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Speaker 2: these people are doing like stuff that, Like, in all honesty,

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Speaker 2: I wish I understood better because I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I hear this stuff, and I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: friends who are like really high level, like like hacker types,

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Speaker 2: and they start saying stuff and I'm just like in

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Speaker 2: my head, it's like is that spelled with a pH

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Speaker 2: or with an F? Like that's what I'm doing. I'm like, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'll be real about it.

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Speaker 3: I just am in the constant panic that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to accidentally click on something. Thanks for asking that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty savvy, but I don't know. They

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Speaker 3: get more and more clever.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't click on anything. Yeah, no, I've been

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Speaker 2: like that for seven years now. Like I i'd be

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Speaker 2: also about all the hacker friends taught me. So, like

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Speaker 2: my passwords are like twenty one letters long, because like

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Speaker 2: twelve letters were whatever was the number that I needed

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Speaker 2: to get better.

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Speaker 3: I have like hyphens and all sorts.

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Speaker 2: I have all that stuff, but it's all super long

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Speaker 2: and all the stuff that they have me doing, they're

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Speaker 2: basically like the one person showed me this. This is

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Speaker 2: when I say, seven years ago, like fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 2: I watched someone take over someone else's computer from the distance,

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Speaker 2: and they had no idea that they could do it,

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Speaker 2: and they just they're like, oh, I'll take over your computer,

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Speaker 2: and so they'd send some email while the person's talking,

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Speaker 2: they're clicking through their emails, and I guess that was

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Speaker 2: what allowed them to get in. And I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I was way back in the day. I know. Now

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Speaker 2: it's got to be like, oh, you looked at your

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00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: phone and I can see your eye and that allowed

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Speaker 2: me to use facial recognition on an app I have.

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Speaker 2: And now I've given all your money.

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Speaker 3: Well, so my feeling is like, fine, take whatever I have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just make sure you don't have anything. I

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Speaker 2: put in lots of different accounts that it's all over

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Speaker 2: the place. I'm like, look, take from this one, just

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Speaker 2: leave me the other one. That's that's my pork chop money.

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