Speaker 1: Welcome to Dick It Happened Here, a podcast about the
Speaker 1: transgenocide because it keeps happening, and so we keep having
Speaker 1: new episodes about it because it just gets worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm Mia Wong with me as James.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited to hear more about what people are
Speaker 2: doing to trans people in different parts of this country.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The answer is not good, so nice things. Okay.
Speaker 1: At about five am this morning, I was watching a
Speaker 1: video from last year, and you know, they had this
Speaker 1: lie about how like there's been one hundred anti trans
Speaker 1: bills in twenty twenty two alone, and like, oh oh boy,
Speaker 1: that is a that is a quaint figure from a
Speaker 1: more civilized age. We are three months into twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and there's been five hundred anti trans bills across the country.
Speaker 2: That was a Freudian slip. We have three years into
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, my friend.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, you're twenty three that one, which I
Speaker 3: guess it won't work out like this, but technically, speaking
Speaker 3: of this pace continues, we're on track for what Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're on track for I think two thousand this year,
Speaker 3: which would be great.
Speaker 2: Heyce, Yeah, it's good. Well, we'll be rebooting Mansona by November.
Speaker 1: Now, most of these bills, have we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: are going to fail, but a lot of them haven't.
Speaker 1: And the other sort of aspect of this that I
Speaker 1: think it's been less reported on but is also extremely important,
Speaker 1: is that, Okay, so if you want to do anti
Speaker 1: trans bullshit, you have like three options. Basically, you have
Speaker 1: you try to get a bill through the legislature, You
Speaker 1: have the governor doing a mandate or something, and then
Speaker 1: you have the attorney general doing some bullshit. And our
Speaker 1: first story from the front lines of the worst shit
Speaker 1: that's happening is from Missouri, where Missouri's Attorney General Andrew
Speaker 1: Bailey has issued a quote emergency rule that claims that
Speaker 1: because gender care is quote experimental, it's already banned by
Speaker 1: state law, which is nonsense, but it gets worse.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's worth like addressing this shit
Speaker 2: head on because it's such so clearly bullshit. But like,
Speaker 2: we have more than a century of people seeving gender
Speaker 2: firming care and auditioning.
Speaker 1: It's it's like people.
Speaker 2: People, television is more experimental than gender refirming care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this stuff like aeroplanes.
Speaker 1: Are more experiment This stuff predates the Nazis like, it's
Speaker 1: like it's old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely predates passenger flight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like so okay, I mean that there's like a
Speaker 1: standard turf argument though, is that it's like, oh, it's experimental.
Speaker 1: It's like now it's not. Okay, So these rules are
Speaker 1: oh boy, okay, here's from so I think it was
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Yeah, the city government of State Lewis put
Speaker 1: out a thing about it that was basically like, this
Speaker 1: is bullshit. They said, quote the Aterney General's Emergency Regulations
Speaker 1: institute extremely strictions that require one medically documented gender just
Speaker 1: for you for three years, to at least fifteen consecutive
Speaker 1: therapy sessions over eighteen months, and three that all mental
Speaker 1: health conditions are treated and resolved prior to gaining access
Speaker 1: to gender affirming care. There's also this section that is
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it. I don't have any words,
Speaker 1: I don't have any analysis for this, so it's saying
Speaker 1: like you can't have care. That quote fails with respect
Speaker 1: to a patient who is a minor, to ensure that
Speaker 1: the patient has received a comprehensive screening at least annually
Speaker 1: for social media addiction or compulsion and has not for
Speaker 1: at least six months prior to the beginning of any
Speaker 1: intervention suffered from social media addiction or compulsion.
Speaker 2: So wow, yeah. Now, so the good news is that.
Speaker 1: This role was supposed to go into effects, like before
Speaker 1: this episode is recorded. It was instantly. There are a
Speaker 1: bunch of lawsuits. It's been blocked by a judge until
Speaker 1: May fifteenth, so hopefully the judge will be like, this
Speaker 1: is obviously illegal, not holding out hope for that. This
Speaker 1: is probably the worst law in the books anywhere in
Speaker 1: the country right now. Maybe will also I'll show you
Speaker 1: the other really bad one and what we'll see. But okay,
Speaker 1: so the notable thing about this law is that this
Speaker 1: is not just a band from minors. This is for everyone.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's lots of atrocious stuff in here,
Speaker 1: right Like if you have autism, for example, and there's
Speaker 1: a bit every thing about screening for autism. If you
Speaker 1: have autism, you cannot transition, Jesus, and you know, and
Speaker 1: then you know they're part of the right. Even if
Speaker 1: you're like a ninety nine year old on your fucking deathbed,
Speaker 1: you can't transition unless you feel fill all of these
Speaker 1: bullshit requirements. There's this like there's a social media compulsion thing,
Speaker 1: which is this sort of bizarre like social contagient bullshit
Speaker 1: that these people have been spreading for a long.
Speaker 2: Time, especially given like where the fuck do we think
Speaker 2: their trans panic comes from? It's because they logged onto
Speaker 2: Facebook and you're racist. Uncle Joey had posted to think
Speaker 2: about like how Twitter is transing his niece's gender.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and it's like all of this
Speaker 1: stuff is very like we're getting into we're getting into
Speaker 1: the part of this where it's just sort of like
Speaker 1: they're like copying and pasting turf rants into like laws. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The mental health care thing is like just awful.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: For example, if you have depression, one of the reasons
Speaker 1: you might have depression if your trans is because you
Speaker 1: have dysphoria. Yeah, so you're caught in this loop or
Speaker 1: if you try to get care for the depression, you
Speaker 1: can't get like treatment for the dysphoria. What if you
Speaker 1: get treating for the dysphoria, you can't get it for
Speaker 1: the depressions.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're totally alienated from getting care. And like
Speaker 2: I'm sure living in a fucking state which is trying
Speaker 2: with surgical precision to force you to pick which way
Speaker 2: you want to be suffering. It's not like great for
Speaker 2: your mental health to be Like being a trans person
Speaker 2: in Missouri would be pretty hard, given that the state
Speaker 2: is its powers to stop you getting anything out of care.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean everything that's about this is
Speaker 1: like the therapy requirement, the fifteen therapy things over eighteen months,
Speaker 1: it's just effectively a ban because you know, do you
Speaker 1: know how fucking hard it is to get an appointment
Speaker 1: with a gender therapist, Like it is so like there
Speaker 1: are we are talking about something where there are optimistically
Speaker 1: dozens of these people for an entire state. It is fucked.
Speaker 1: It is so bad even in states where it's legal. Right,
Speaker 1: This is this is sort of the grim joke of
Speaker 1: like the anti trans canard that like it's too easy
Speaker 1: for kids to get gender firmin care and they're giving
Speaker 1: your hormones like candy. It's like, no, no, it's really
Speaker 1: even in states where it's legal to get gender firmin care,
Speaker 1: it's hard as fuck, takes forever and is expensive, and
Speaker 1: you know, given how through few therapists there are and
Speaker 1: how hard it is to clear these requirements the Missouri
Speaker 1: rule is just effectively a ban on gender fermin care
Speaker 1: for everyone. Now it's been stayed for now, but this
Speaker 1: is really bad. People are fleeing the state. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk more about trans refugees yeah later, but you know,
Speaker 1: basically every state that has passed one of these laws
Speaker 1: has refugees already. I know, I personally know multiple people
Speaker 1: who fled multiple states. Yeah, it's really fucking bad. It's
Speaker 1: also you know, I mean, like it is genuinely important
Speaker 1: to make sure that people get supported and to make
Speaker 1: sure people are way out. It's also not a solution
Speaker 1: because there's just going to be new trans kids born
Speaker 1: into these states.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we can't fix it by the existing
Speaker 2: trans people leaving. And like obviously there's people have their
Speaker 2: friends in their family and their community there. Like we
Speaker 2: didn't fix it by them getting something completely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're gonna move to the next state
Speaker 1: where shit's happening that this one I don't know that's
Speaker 1: happening in Kansas is also like, okay, relative to the
Speaker 1: amount of media attention it's gotten, this is the worst
Speaker 1: thing that's happening in absolute terms, It's unbelievably bad. Okay.
Speaker 1: So there's a bill in Kansas that people are calling
Speaker 1: a bathroom bill, and they're calling it that because bathroom
Speaker 1: bill is the terminology that they have. This is not
Speaker 1: a bathroom bill. We need to be very clear about this.
Speaker 1: This is way, way, way, way fucking worse than a
Speaker 1: bathroom bill. So this is a bill that what it
Speaker 1: does is in the eyes of the state, it legally
Speaker 1: assigns you a gender by defining male and female in
Speaker 1: all in all state laws as and I'm going to
Speaker 1: let us legislature take it from here. Women are those
Speaker 1: who quote biologically whose biological reproductive system is developed to
Speaker 1: produce OVA, and men are those quote whose biological reproductive
Speaker 1: system is developed to fertilize the OVA of a female.
Speaker 1: Which y yeah, Hey Radfams, I hope you're fucking happy.
Speaker 1: Now you've gotten the state to legally define your gender
Speaker 1: as based on your reproductive capacity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've great job. Feed run of the fucking what's
Speaker 2: the thing where they will wear the bonnets?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And here here's it just intersects people kind of exist.
Speaker 1: You're fucking it's worse. Okay, So again, here here's kas NT,
Speaker 1: which is a news outlet in Kansas. In addition to restrooms,
Speaker 1: the legislation would define words like woman, man, mother, and
Speaker 1: father in areas like athletics, prisons or other detention facilities,
Speaker 1: domestic violence centers, rape crisis centers, locker rooms, and quotes
Speaker 1: other areas where biology, safety, or privacy are implicated that
Speaker 1: could result in separate accommodations.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh supposedly this is going to be on
Speaker 1: a case by case basis, but you know, like this
Speaker 1: is going to lead to trans women being put in
Speaker 1: bends prison where they will be raped and almost certain
Speaker 1: like almost certainly will be raped, quite possibly will be
Speaker 1: killed because that happens all the time. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: this is i mean, like kicking trans women out of
Speaker 1: domestic violence centers and rape crisis centers when you know,
Speaker 1: and this is gonna happen, and you know, similar like
Speaker 1: bullshit's gonna happen to trans men and also to non
Speaker 1: binary people who all of whom are abused and assaulted
Speaker 1: at rates that are fucking indescribable. I mean, there is
Speaker 1: also the bathroom bill shit, and like the worst version
Speaker 1: of bathroom billshit we've ever seen. And you know, but
Speaker 1: also so this is not the only one of these bills.
Speaker 1: That's we'll talk about the other one in Montana in
Speaker 1: a little bit. But because the Kansas Republicans are somehow
Speaker 1: even more cretnius than their colleagues in Montana, they have
Speaker 1: written the bill in such a way that, in the
Speaker 1: words of Pink News, quote definitions outlined in the bill
Speaker 1: also state that a female a female is a person
Speaker 1: who produces ova, in other words, eggs meeting cis. Women
Speaker 1: who are infertile and are unable to produce eggs could
Speaker 1: be barred from spaces under the legislation's legal terms.
Speaker 2: Likewise, sis, man, I guess yeah, it's it's yeah, like
Speaker 2: or like you have like fucking had an accident or
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like yeah, you know, and and it's bullshit,
Speaker 2: like its pointing out the logical errors. It doesn't really
Speaker 2: work because that's not really the point, is it, Like,
Speaker 2: like their point is not to be like logically found,
Speaker 2: it's to be cruel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But but but I think there is something very
Speaker 1: important about this, which is that this this is a
Speaker 1: very very firm example of how the struggle for trans
Speaker 1: rights and sort of you know, like trans bodily autonomy
Speaker 1: is intimately connected with the struggle with abortion rights, because
Speaker 1: if you look at what's happened here, right, Republican lawmakers
Speaker 1: are literally defining women by their by their capacity to
Speaker 1: produce children for them. Yeah, so you know this is
Speaker 1: this is not like the these are these are two
Speaker 1: very very into connected struggles and the same people have
Speaker 1: the same absolutely dog shit like horrific patriarchal politics in
Speaker 1: both of them. So, okay, so we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: leave camp in Nebrette. Okay, so we've we've had two
Speaker 1: really grim stories in a row. We're gonna have one
Speaker 1: that saw less grim, which is Nebraska. So okay, there
Speaker 1: has been a bill to ban January Form CAARE for minors,
Speaker 1: but it is being staved off basically single handedly by
Speaker 1: the genuinely heroic efforts of state Senators Megan Hunt and
Speaker 1: Michelle Kavanaugh, who have been philibustering literally every bill that
Speaker 1: goes through the state Senate the stop bit from happening,
Speaker 1: which fucking rips. Yeah, and like you know, okay, so
Speaker 1: basically the things like we will, we will, we will
Speaker 1: philibuster literally every single bill until they stop trying to
Speaker 1: patch this band through. And you know this is the okay,
Speaker 1: So like there was there was a thing that happened
Speaker 1: in the early twenty tens where in the US, like
Speaker 1: the big US Senate, right, they changed the rules about philibustering,
Speaker 1: so don't actually have to stand there and talk for
Speaker 1: eight hours because they're fucking cowards and an almoys pieces
Speaker 1: of shit in that is not true in Nebraska. If
Speaker 1: you want to fill a buster a bill, you have
Speaker 1: to fucking stand up there and talk for eight hours.
Speaker 1: And they have been doing this for months. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's holding that you know, basically. So
Speaker 1: the way philibust it works, right is you can't kind
Speaker 1: of like in the Senate, and then also in the
Speaker 1: state Senate, you can't stop someone from talking unless they
Speaker 1: like dream debate, you can't stop someone talking unless you
Speaker 1: get a two thirds vote of the body for emotion
Speaker 1: to cloture. So they've just been forcing you to do
Speaker 1: it for every single bill, and they don't have the
Speaker 1: votes in some of the bills. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and the reason I think this is this is happening,
Speaker 1: you know, the reason that they've been doing this and
Speaker 1: not sort of just like like doing bullshit like most
Speaker 1: of the Democratic. Well, partially it's because there's a Senate
Speaker 1: and partially because Senator Hunt has a twelve year old
Speaker 1: trans son, Yeah, which yeah, has has given her, you know,
Speaker 1: a sort of urgency that's absent from Democrats and other states.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which theoretical for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, this is one of the things
Speaker 1: that sucks about this right is like it it should
Speaker 1: not fall on you know, like literally the trend, like
Speaker 1: the rights of the children of an entire state are
Speaker 1: falling on like one mom and the few other Democrats
Speaker 1: who decided to take a stand with her, And that's fucked.
Speaker 1: That is nonsense.
Speaker 2: Like it's yeah, it's great that she's doing it, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 1: This is horrible. Yeah. Do you know what else is horrible? A?
Speaker 2: Is it the products and services that support podcast?
Speaker 1: But I have to see regulations. I don't think I
Speaker 1: can legally say that.
Speaker 2: But no, no, we do don't.
Speaker 4: No, it's not not that Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now we're gonna get to I think the
Speaker 1: most famous story or most most well known story of
Speaker 1: an anti trans fight that's been happening recently, and that
Speaker 1: is Montana. So Montana has passed a bill that bands
Speaker 1: gender for macare from Binnis and also opposes legal sanction
Speaker 1: as anyone who does it. Governor Greg Giafanti like has
Speaker 1: a non binary son. Who is he they and he
Speaker 1: like gave a speech it was like dad, fucking don't
Speaker 1: sign these bills, and his dad signed them. Anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the co sponsors of this bill, on the
Speaker 1: floor of of of the Montana House said she'd rather
Speaker 1: her children die in transition and then had yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she had to give a press commence later saying
Speaker 1: she didn't actually mean that, but like no, she that's
Speaker 1: literally what she sat on the floor of the fucking house.
Speaker 1: So these people are ghouls and monsters. They are the
Speaker 1: dogs of uh this the sort of the Republican Freedom Caucus,
Speaker 1: which is their like absolutely deranged like Matt Gates fucking
Speaker 1: weirdos in Congress who are if you remember that giant
Speaker 1: fight over the speaker of the House, like that was
Speaker 1: those freaks like the Yeah, these people are like their
Speaker 1: local sort of like dogs. There's two other absolutely terrifying
Speaker 1: bills that are about to become law. There's HB three
Speaker 1: fifty nine, which is a ban on kids attending drag shows,
Speaker 1: which like that bill has gotten less bad than it was,
Speaker 1: which is it's now a ban on kids attending adult entertainments.
Speaker 1: But you know, guess he gets to decide what adult
Speaker 1: entertainment is, ETA, et cetera. Right, yeah, And that bill
Speaker 1: has passed both the House and the Senate is waiting
Speaker 1: for reconciliation. There is the even worse SB four fifty eight,
Speaker 1: which is basically the bill from Kansas, except I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read some of it. Female means a member of
Speaker 1: the human species who, under normal developments, has produced xx
Speaker 1: chromosomes and producers it would produce regular, relatively large, immobile
Speaker 1: gam meats or a between her life cycle, and has
Speaker 1: a reproductive and endocrine system oriented around this production of gammi.
Speaker 1: As an individual who would otherwise fall within this definition
Speaker 1: but for a biological or genetic condition as female. So
Speaker 1: this is straight turf shit, right. This is a straight
Speaker 1: up like a woman as an adult human female thing
Speaker 1: that like these people walk around saying, thinking is like
Speaker 1: a normal thing to say, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thinking that, like specifically the chromosonality thing we
Speaker 2: know has been bullh it for a very long time.
Speaker 1: There was nonsense. The people don't know is nobiology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, yeah, and we can Like the example is
Speaker 2: this woman called Mario Jose Martinez Patigno who was a
Speaker 2: hurdler who won a number of events and then lost
Speaker 2: her medals because she failed a chromosonality test and fucking
Speaker 2: ruined her life, right, lost her fiance, lost her job,
Speaker 2: lost all her competitions, and was able to successfully sue
Speaker 2: with the help of leading experts in the field, to
Speaker 2: prove that like I think she had like mosaics, she
Speaker 2: exhibited mosaicism x Y, and that like this is in
Speaker 2: fact a normal fucking variation in the human species. And
Speaker 2: like this was in the eighties and we're still doing
Speaker 2: this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeap.
Speaker 2: Her paper's are really good, by the way, she's a
Speaker 2: professor of philosophy now, oh cool, yeah, yeah she's yeah,
Speaker 2: she's great. I specator a few times, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brad w Yeah. But like these people are doing,
Speaker 1: you know, like they are you know this this this
Speaker 1: this bill legally rights trans people out of existence, and
Speaker 1: it is again another one of these gender paragraph things
Speaker 1: where this the state is legally defining what gender you are.
Speaker 1: But also you know, but again like they have to
Speaker 1: do all this like bullshit because you know, this is
Speaker 1: other thing that I said, like, these guys, these people
Speaker 1: are like slightly I don't know smarter is the right word,
Speaker 1: but they're slight. They're they're slightly more engaged in turf shit.
Speaker 1: So they have a more convoluted, like biological misconception of
Speaker 1: what a woman is, which they can't define because it's
Speaker 1: not a thing.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's a social constructagy yeah, because they can't society. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And put in mind of South Africa constantly chasing the
Speaker 2: fucking definition of what race was and like trying to
Speaker 2: define like a multi racial kids into one box or
Speaker 2: another box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it doesn't work. But the problem
Speaker 1: is this bill is going to be signed by the
Speaker 1: governor like next week, probably possibly this week, like in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, is going to be signed.
Speaker 1: So that's really fucking bad. So the part of the
Speaker 1: story that thinks the most well known is Montana Republican's
Speaker 1: crusade against Montana House Rep. Zoe Zephyr. Zoe Zephyr is
Speaker 1: trans She is a rep for a part of Missoula,
Speaker 1: which is a college town home to the University of Montana.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a bit when Zoe won her seat.
Speaker 1: But I really before we really get into what's been
Speaker 1: happening to Zoe, I want to talk a bit about
Speaker 1: Missoula and a bit about the sort of the geography
Speaker 1: of transmigration, because the the way the media talks about this,
Speaker 1: right is that you know, transmit like trans trans refugees
Speaker 1: and transmigration is something thats started with these anti trans bills.
Speaker 1: And that's not true. This is this, all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: all of the sort of fleeing, all the refugee stuff,
Speaker 1: pre dates Tennessee, it predates Missouri. It's always been happening, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because and the the actual process of this
Speaker 1: is that, you know, for for generations and generations, the
Speaker 1: wretcht of the earth get fed to the wolves, and
Speaker 1: then the wolves spit them out of their homes and
Speaker 1: their communities, and they fled. They've fled to places like Portland,
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, in Atlanta and Chicago, places where people like
Speaker 1: us had clawed out in existence in a world that
Speaker 1: wants is dead, where we continuously survive off the shit
Speaker 1: end of urban labor markets. And this is something that
Speaker 1: has happened beneath the notice or even the contempt of
Speaker 1: Bush West society. But it's been going on for longer
Speaker 1: than we've had words that we've had the words that
Speaker 1: we used today to describe it. And you know, Azula
Speaker 1: is one of those places where you can go when
Speaker 1: your family kicks you out. And then you know and
Speaker 1: that that that's not the only way people end up here, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who you know, you know,
Speaker 1: have better stories, right they go to college, they discover themselves.
Speaker 1: There are people who go here because it's where they've
Speaker 1: chosen to make new lives. And you know something, there's
Speaker 1: also just people who are from Missoula who just realize
Speaker 1: they're trans. And you know, it's this mix of sort
Speaker 1: of trans refugees, transmigrants and the local trans community that
Speaker 1: you know, all fuse together and becomes a sort of
Speaker 1: beautiful community that we've been you know, has finally like
Speaker 1: stepped out of the shadows in the last like ten years.
Speaker 1: And you know, and this is why it's not enormously
Speaker 1: surprising that Missoula sent Zoe's efforts to a Letta to
Speaker 1: represent them, because this is, you know, again like this
Speaker 1: is one of these places that like collects people from
Speaker 1: all over Montana and you know from all over like
Speaker 1: eastern Washington too. Some of these people go to Seattle,
Speaker 1: some of these people go to Portland's but yeah, they're there.
Speaker 1: The there have always been these massive networks of migration
Speaker 1: that just you know, no one ever, no one researches,
Speaker 1: no one talks about, no one even it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to even know they exist unless you know the people
Speaker 1: who like have been moved along them. The product of
Speaker 1: this now is that Zoe Zephyr is Trans is in
Speaker 1: the you know, on the floor of the House debating
Speaker 1: with Republican legislatures this bill to uh uh like ban
Speaker 1: health care for for like trans youth, and she says, quote,
Speaker 1: if you vote yes on this bill and yes on
Speaker 1: these amendments, I hope the next time there's an invocation,
Speaker 1: when you bow your hands in prayer, you see the
Speaker 1: blood on your hands, which I really wish because the
Speaker 1: media talks about the blood on your hands thing costs
Speaker 1: And I wish they read the whole quote because it
Speaker 1: fucking rips like it's.
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, I think you need to you can't. There's
Speaker 2: no fucking point in bourgeois civility with this stuff. Is
Speaker 2: that that's nook and and.
Speaker 1: This is what has been one of things that's been happening, right,
Speaker 1: is like like the Republicans their backlash that this has
Speaker 1: been a sort of like, oh, you're not being civil thing,
Speaker 1: right and like in uh, like Senator Hunt in uh
Speaker 1: uh Nebraska was like literally didn't actually literally say fuck you,
Speaker 1: but you know, like said like yeah, like no, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like show up to
Speaker 1: like your like your dinner parties or whatever, like like
Speaker 1: you don't don't say hi to me in the halls,
Speaker 1: like you know, my fucking kid, and you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing to them.
Speaker 2: That's the way to approach you, right, like the person
Speaker 2: trying to legislate your little trans son out of existence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like fuck these people, they're gonna do
Speaker 1: this ship. Okay. So there's a couple of theories as
Speaker 1: to why what happened next happened next. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation that it's been like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: like a gambit by the the the Freedom Caucus to
Speaker 1: like turn Zoe's Ephyr into like the face of the
Speaker 1: Montana Democratic Parties they can win a Senate race. It's like,
Speaker 1: I I actually don't buy that I think very specifically
Speaker 1: the when you close your hands to pray, you see
Speaker 1: the blood in your hands thing. I think they got
Speaker 1: really fucking pissed off, and then they just kept escalating.
Speaker 1: So after that happens, the Montana Republicans formally censor her
Speaker 1: and they prevent her from speaking on the floor until
Speaker 1: she apologizes and as long as like, no, fuck you,
Speaker 1: I got much, but she said no, I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna apologize. Right, there are there are a bunch of
Speaker 1: like pretty large protests like in Helena that are like
Speaker 1: you know that that are that are like pro trans
Speaker 1: protests and protests to like let Zoe speak, and they
Speaker 1: arrest seven of the protesters.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: One of the people they arrest was I think a
Speaker 1: woman on crutches who like couldn't clear the area fast enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on crutches. Yeah, I was like I
Speaker 2: did go down before people didn't. Yeah, and all kinds
Speaker 2: of ship.
Speaker 1: And then and then the so there's like there are
Speaker 1: these protests in the gallery right and the the Montena
Speaker 1: Republicans start doing this whole thing about how this is
Speaker 1: this is this is the democratic January sixth, and like
Speaker 1: they were storming the capital the capitals in the seats.
Speaker 2: I try to do that in Tennessee as well. Like
Speaker 2: it's so pathetic, like so asinine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the every thing I want to mention about this,
Speaker 1: right is like, okay, like the Montana Freedom cocause people
Speaker 1: and all, like the censors and the fucking press releases
Speaker 1: are just constantly misgendering Zoe.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking ugly. Uh yeah, And you know, so
Speaker 1: after these protests, the house like banishes her from the
Speaker 1: floor and kicks her out of her offices, and so
Speaker 1: she shows up like to work from a bench outside
Speaker 1: the chambers where like legally they can't kick her out
Speaker 1: of But then like this is an ongoing saga, right,
Speaker 1: like like this morning she showed up and there were
Speaker 1: like three really old white women sitting on.
Speaker 2: The bed speaker of the house's mom oh speak of
Speaker 2: the house much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this this fucking big Montana tough guy had
Speaker 2: to call his mom to fight his battles for him.
Speaker 2: Like they just insanely pureile to nine nonsense, but it's
Speaker 2: unfortunately has very real consequences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, so she was like at
Speaker 1: like a lout. She was like like had her like tablet,
Speaker 1: like on a lunch counter, taking meetings from like like
Speaker 1: standing at the counter. Yeah, it's it's been a whole thing. Also,
Speaker 1: I think earlier today someone someone tried to swat her girlfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the journalist Aaron Reid. Uh So, that's bad. This
Speaker 1: whole thing's been getting like an unbelievable amount of media attention,
Speaker 1: and you know, in a very very short period of time,
Speaker 1: Zoe Zephyr goes from someone who I know about because
Speaker 1: I'm trans, and like all trans people are like four
Speaker 1: hops away from each other, something I probably shouldn't say,
Speaker 1: but like it's true. Yeah, you kind of get there,
Speaker 1: aren't that many of us, and a lot of us
Speaker 1: are extremely online, so like you know, like I'm like
Speaker 1: two hops away from this person, right, like from.
Speaker 2: Multiple strangles with her, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met her like very briefly in a stream.
Speaker 1: She's you know, like she's a good person. She I
Speaker 1: don't know, she's just like this is one of the
Speaker 1: things that I think, like I've met a couple of
Speaker 1: the or a few of the like very famous like
Speaker 1: trans people who sort of come under the gun and
Speaker 1: they're just normal fucking people, like just normal trans people
Speaker 1: and this bullshit happens to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so like bullshit that like, like I know
Speaker 2: a number of trans ladies who are bi racist, right,
Speaker 2: and like they like it must be pretty clear that
Speaker 2: if you win a fucking race, if you win a
Speaker 2: big race, like you know what's coming for you know,
Speaker 2: fucking bright bart and News is going to have you
Speaker 2: on there the next year. It's and the same for her, right,
Speaker 2: she likely would have been aware that the moment she
Speaker 2: tried to defend her right to fucking exist, all the
Speaker 2: very worst people around the country with baying for blood.
Speaker 2: She's very brave anyway, Like she should fuck them. They
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to side and.
Speaker 1: Say yeah, okay, we should take an ad break. Yeah
Speaker 1: one more time and then yeah we'll come back and.
Speaker 2: Say something funny.
Speaker 5: Bit more chit chit chit chi, chumback, Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay. So in the middle of all of this, so
Speaker 1: we went home to I think there was like a
Speaker 1: recess or something, because legislatures work like two days a year.
Speaker 2: Rich people hours. Yeah it was bullshit, like, yeah they
Speaker 2: have like a break for fucking horse racing and yeah
Speaker 2: poo or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so she she went home to Missoula, and
Speaker 1: there was a just like a massive march. There was
Speaker 1: this rally that turned into like this basically like a
Speaker 1: twenty four hour long party. People. My favorite story for this,
Speaker 1: there's some people who Okay, so they brought beer they
Speaker 1: had got from rowing a boat out to a derailed train. Yes,
Speaker 1: I say think the two media narratives is twenty twenty three. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's great and like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think in these sort of moments, right, you can
Speaker 1: see the new world there, right, you can see a
Speaker 1: world where, you know, we no longer live in fear. This,
Speaker 1: you can see this world where where we're free to
Speaker 1: create joy and meeting in art, in our lives, you know,
Speaker 1: can be a celebration of the beauty that's in and
Speaker 1: around us. But that world, the world that generations and
Speaker 1: generations with trans people have fought and died to sort
Speaker 1: of claw out of the dirt the world tried to
Speaker 1: bury us in, that world will die unless we fight
Speaker 1: for it. And that fight cannot be left to individual
Speaker 1: state representatives. There's not enough of them. Eventually they will lose.
Speaker 1: And and this is this is the other story of
Speaker 1: Montana rights. As much as you know, as much as
Speaker 1: what's been going on in Montana is a story about
Speaker 1: a trans woman defying like all of the sort of
Speaker 1: organized power for state, like all of those bills passed,
Speaker 1: and there is not enough power to If we keep
Speaker 1: trying to fight them in legislatures, and we keep trying
Speaker 1: to only fight them in in the legislatures and in court,
Speaker 1: we're going to lose. But okay, I probab, I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't say this before I know we've we've locked in
Speaker 1: the title. But the projected title of this is the
Speaker 1: Trans is the Transgenocide. A siege and a counter attack,
Speaker 1: and I promised a counterattack, So now I'm gonna fucking
Speaker 1: give it to you.
Speaker 2: You didn't want like brief notes on the seageon like
Speaker 2: you could have gone full maoist on the tide.
Speaker 1: Now why we will? We did? We did that with
Speaker 1: the other one, and I realized after the last episode
Speaker 1: we did on this and I could have just called
Speaker 1: it counterattack and that would be better. So I've saved
Speaker 1: it for this moment.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you get to ease it.
Speaker 1: So, Okay. One of the things that's become incredibly apparent
Speaker 1: in the last in the last few years, is that
Speaker 1: as as much as there is sort of passive transphobia
Speaker 1: in society, transphobia is not a sort of nebulous idea
Speaker 1: that just like floats freely around the world. It is
Speaker 1: brought into this world by men. And you know, we
Speaker 1: know the foundational story of how these men and women
Speaker 1: gain power. Right they cut a deal with capital to
Speaker 1: reconstitute the Republican Party in the eighties. But you know
Speaker 1: this is this is both their weakness and their strength.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's their strength because this gives them an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of resources to pull on. It gives them the institutional
Speaker 1: backing of an entire political party. But it's weakness is
Speaker 1: and it means that capital and the transphobes are bound together.
Speaker 1: And this means that when you scratch a capitalist of
Speaker 1: transphobe bleeds. Now, the other things that we know are A,
Speaker 1: there are power in there's power and logistics, and b
Speaker 1: there are companies profiting from genocide. FedEx, for example, FedEx's
Speaker 1: headquarters are in Tennessee. Tennessee has passed a bunch of pennesces,
Speaker 1: like the state where this shit all fucking started, right
Speaker 1: with the original bathroom bills, with their drag bills, with
Speaker 1: their you know that they've also passed bands on minors
Speaker 1: getting gender from and care. There are other states where,
Speaker 1: you know, you can look at the largest sort of
Speaker 1: companies in the states, like Missouri is probably like Panera, Montana,
Speaker 1: Schnyder Electric, Kentucky's probably KFC, and you know those companies
Speaker 1: are weaknesses. So what am I talking about here? I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about a boycott because this is the US.
Speaker 1: Nobody fucking knows how to do a boycott. Like when
Speaker 1: when Americans try to do a boycott, they buy like
Speaker 1: sixteen palletts of bud light and shoot it with a bazooka,
Speaker 1: right Like, this is the This is a boycott. It
Speaker 1: is not what I'm talking about here is something a
Speaker 1: lot more serious. You know, we we we've we've we've
Speaker 1: seen this sort of so let me praise this. We've
Speaker 1: sort of the sort of echoes of what this kind
Speaker 1: of campaign could look like with the SOB Coop City
Speaker 1: protest with you know, you have protests outside the offices
Speaker 1: of banks and outside of corporations that are backing that
Speaker 1: are backing cop City. But I'm talking you know that
Speaker 1: and that at the most mild is something that we
Speaker 1: should be doing. Right, These companies that are profiting from genocide,
Speaker 1: the companies that are you know, funded by the fucking
Speaker 1: tax exemptions that are given out by these states. The
Speaker 1: companies that are you know, giving money to the seple
Speaker 1: political campaigns. But I'm talking about more than that. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about blockades. This is you know, veries bifically FedEx
Speaker 1: is quite post is possibly the best example of a
Speaker 1: company that you can that you can just target right
Speaker 1: talking about blockades, we're talking about supply like disrupting their
Speaker 1: supply chains. I'm talking about very specifically a campaign that
Speaker 1: put the trans sword to the arteries of capital and
Speaker 1: make the bassards bleed. I'm talking about a counter attack. Now,
Speaker 1: the advantage of the strategy of picking corporations, targeting them
Speaker 1: and disrupt like not not not just necessarily protesting outside
Speaker 1: of their office so though doing that, but specifically actually
Speaker 1: making them fucking bleed, actually just up in their ability
Speaker 1: to function as a company. Right. The advantage of this strategy,
Speaker 1: which has developed and sort of broad strokes of my
Speaker 1: dear friend Vicky Ostroweil, is that what one of the big,
Speaker 1: one of the big problems we have in this whole fight.
Speaker 1: Is this sort of weird? Is this geog the geographic mismatch, right,
Speaker 1: the you know, the majority of people in the US
Speaker 1: and also the majority of people in most of the
Speaker 1: states where this is happening, right, don't support this ship.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because you know, the district are
Speaker 1: jerry mander to fuck and you know, but it means that,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people who like me. For example,
Speaker 1: like I live in Illinois, right, like the the you know,
Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, the best I can do is help
Speaker 1: my friends in Missouri get out and try to help,
Speaker 1: like you know, do do do things like secure access
Speaker 1: to transport and housing for refugees, secure access to hormones
Speaker 1: of people. But if we're if we're going after if
Speaker 1: you're going after capital, if we're going after the companies,
Speaker 1: the banks, the financial institutions that are funding this ship,
Speaker 1: we can hit them everywhere because states have borders, but
Speaker 1: capital doesn't. And that means that you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we can if if if if you are specifically you
Speaker 1: want to target the legislature of Kentucky, you can go
Speaker 1: after fucking KFC, right, you can go after their banks.
Speaker 1: You can go after you can go after anyone who
Speaker 1: funds them. We can hit them on multiple fronts here, right,
Speaker 1: we can hit them with protests. But these companies also
Speaker 1: they rely on our labor. Right. A lot of these
Speaker 1: places are you know, are either sort of fast food
Speaker 1: change or logistics networks. And that's that's a place where
Speaker 1: you know, trans people are overrepresented because trans people are
Speaker 1: overrepresented in the service sector, you know, again because it's
Speaker 1: easier to get jobs there and institutional transphobia locks you
Speaker 1: out of better jobs. They also rely on public infrastructure.
Speaker 1: They rely on you know, streets being open, right, They
Speaker 1: rely on an entire logistics network to make sure that
Speaker 1: not only are they extracting the labor of people that
Speaker 1: they are, like you know, the sort of like theoretical
Speaker 1: term for this is realization. Right. They have to actually
Speaker 1: be able to sell, they have to be able to
Speaker 1: assemble their prouct they have to be able to sell it.
Speaker 1: And you can stop them things, right, I mean the
Speaker 1: k KFC. And sometimes it's also kind of hard because
Speaker 1: there's franchise shit going on. But that's not true with FedEx,
Speaker 1: Like every FedEx office is FedEx and you know, these
Speaker 1: these are these are companies that like, maybe we can't
Speaker 1: fucking drive them underground, right, but we can make them bleed,
Speaker 1: and we can make it we can make it painful
Speaker 1: enough to be complicit in this genocide that these people
Speaker 1: that you know, these people get fucking acts, right, we can,
Speaker 1: we can, we can make them bleed, we can go
Speaker 1: And you know another another thing that you know people
Speaker 1: can do, right, is it's not that you know, if
Speaker 1: if if if you have like a spare afternoon on
Speaker 1: a weekend, Right, it's not that hard to figure out
Speaker 1: that like the specific business interests of the legislators who
Speaker 1: are voting for this stuff. You can just do this.
Speaker 1: All these people are unbelievably corrupt. They have land deals
Speaker 1: that they're doing.
Speaker 2: And so you know, open records that let you see
Speaker 2: who donates to all those people as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and there are websites that you can just
Speaker 1: like like you can just google who gives the notions
Speaker 1: to people and yeah, it's like donations trackers, and you
Speaker 1: can like plug in their name and it will show
Speaker 1: you whe who donates to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so we have learned through the through sort of
Speaker 1: the experience of the past few years, right, that these
Speaker 1: people cannot be swayed by logic. They cannot be swayed
Speaker 1: by They can't be swayed by logic. They cannot be
Speaker 1: swayed by science. They cannot be swayed by you know,
Speaker 1: they cannot be swayed by the emotional appeals. They do
Speaker 1: not give a shit about trans people. They would literally
Speaker 1: rather have their kids die than be trans. But again,
Speaker 1: the one thing they do care about is capital. And
Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you, if you, if you
Speaker 1: make capital bleed, these people will bleed to and that
Speaker 1: will actually fucking hurt them, and that will give you
Speaker 1: the leverage you need to let these people make a choice. Right,
Speaker 1: It's either us or the world of capital burns.
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