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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dick It Happened Here, a podcast about the

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Speaker 1: transgenocide because it keeps happening, and so we keep having

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Speaker 1: new episodes about it because it just gets worse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm Mia Wong with me as James.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited to hear more about what people are

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Speaker 2: doing to trans people in different parts of this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The answer is not good, so nice things. Okay.

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Speaker 1: At about five am this morning, I was watching a

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Speaker 1: video from last year, and you know, they had this

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Speaker 1: lie about how like there's been one hundred anti trans

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Speaker 1: bills in twenty twenty two alone, and like, oh oh boy,

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Speaker 1: that is a that is a quaint figure from a

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Speaker 1: more civilized age. We are three months into twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and there's been five hundred anti trans bills across the country.

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Speaker 2: That was a Freudian slip. We have three years into

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, you're twenty three that one, which I

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Speaker 3: guess it won't work out like this, but technically, speaking

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Speaker 3: of this pace continues, we're on track for what Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're on track for I think two thousand this year,

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Speaker 3: which would be great.

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Speaker 2: Heyce, Yeah, it's good. Well, we'll be rebooting Mansona by November.

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Speaker 1: Now, most of these bills, have we've talked about before,

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Speaker 1: are going to fail, but a lot of them haven't.

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Speaker 1: And the other sort of aspect of this that I

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Speaker 1: think it's been less reported on but is also extremely important,

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Speaker 1: is that, Okay, so if you want to do anti

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Speaker 1: trans bullshit, you have like three options. Basically, you have

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Speaker 1: you try to get a bill through the legislature, You

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Speaker 1: have the governor doing a mandate or something, and then

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Speaker 1: you have the attorney general doing some bullshit. And our

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Speaker 1: first story from the front lines of the worst shit

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Speaker 1: that's happening is from Missouri, where Missouri's Attorney General Andrew

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Speaker 1: Bailey has issued a quote emergency rule that claims that

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Speaker 1: because gender care is quote experimental, it's already banned by

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Speaker 1: state law, which is nonsense, but it gets worse.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's worth like addressing this shit

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Speaker 2: head on because it's such so clearly bullshit. But like,

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Speaker 2: we have more than a century of people seeving gender

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Speaker 2: firming care and auditioning.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like people.

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Speaker 2: People, television is more experimental than gender refirming care. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like this stuff like aeroplanes.

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Speaker 1: Are more experiment This stuff predates the Nazis like, it's

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Speaker 1: like it's old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely predates passenger flight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like so okay, I mean that there's like a

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Speaker 1: standard turf argument though, is that it's like, oh, it's experimental.

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Speaker 1: It's like now it's not. Okay, So these rules are

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Speaker 1: oh boy, okay, here's from so I think it was

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Yeah, the city government of State Lewis put

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Speaker 1: out a thing about it that was basically like, this

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Speaker 1: is bullshit. They said, quote the Aterney General's Emergency Regulations

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Speaker 1: institute extremely strictions that require one medically documented gender just

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Speaker 1: for you for three years, to at least fifteen consecutive

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Speaker 1: therapy sessions over eighteen months, and three that all mental

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Speaker 1: health conditions are treated and resolved prior to gaining access

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Speaker 1: to gender affirming care. There's also this section that is

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it. I don't have any words,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any analysis for this, so it's saying

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Speaker 1: like you can't have care. That quote fails with respect

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Speaker 1: to a patient who is a minor, to ensure that

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Speaker 1: for social media addiction or compulsion and has not for

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Speaker 2: So wow, yeah. Now, so the good news is that.

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Speaker 1: This role was supposed to go into effects, like before

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Speaker 1: this episode is recorded. It was instantly. There are a

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Speaker 1: bunch of lawsuits. It's been blocked by a judge until

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Speaker 1: May fifteenth, so hopefully the judge will be like, this

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Speaker 1: is obviously illegal, not holding out hope for that. This

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Speaker 1: the other really bad one and what we'll see. But okay,

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Speaker 1: so the notable thing about this law is that this

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's lots of atrocious stuff in here,

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Speaker 1: right Like if you have autism, for example, and there's

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Speaker 2: Time, especially given like where the fuck do we think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and it's like all of this

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Speaker 1: stuff is very like we're getting into we're getting into

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Speaker 1: the part of this where it's just sort of like

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Speaker 1: they're like copying and pasting turf rants into like laws. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The mental health care thing is like just awful.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: For example, if you have depression, one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: have dysphoria. Yeah, so you're caught in this loop or

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Speaker 1: if you try to get care for the depression, you

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Speaker 1: the depressions.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're totally alienated from getting care. And like

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Speaker 2: I'm sure living in a fucking state which is trying

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Speaker 2: with surgical precision to force you to pick which way

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Speaker 2: you want to be suffering. It's not like great for

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Speaker 2: your mental health to be Like being a trans person

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Speaker 2: in Missouri would be pretty hard, given that the state

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Speaker 2: is its powers to stop you getting anything out of care.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean everything that's about this is

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Speaker 1: it's just effectively a ban because you know, do you

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Speaker 1: know how fucking hard it is to get an appointment

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Speaker 1: with a gender therapist, Like it is so like there

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Speaker 1: are we are talking about something where there are optimistically

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Speaker 1: It is so bad even in states where it's legal. Right,

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Speaker 1: for kids to get gender firmin care and they're giving

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Speaker 1: even in states where it's legal to get gender firmin care,

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Speaker 1: how hard it is to clear these requirements the Missouri

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Speaker 1: also you know, I mean, like it is genuinely important

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Speaker 1: because there's just going to be new trans kids born

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we can't fix it by the existing

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Speaker 2: trans people leaving. And like obviously there's people have their

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Speaker 2: didn't fix it by them getting something completely different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're gonna move to the next state

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Speaker 1: where shit's happening that this one I don't know that's

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Speaker 1: happening in Kansas is also like, okay, relative to the

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Speaker 1: amount of media attention it's gotten, this is the worst

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Speaker 1: thing that's happening in absolute terms, It's unbelievably bad. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So there's a bill in Kansas that people are calling

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Speaker 1: a bathroom bill. We need to be very clear about this.

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Speaker 1: This is way, way, way, way fucking worse than a

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Speaker 1: bathroom bill. So this is a bill that what it

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Speaker 1: does is in the eyes of the state, it legally

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Speaker 1: assigns you a gender by defining male and female in

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Speaker 1: all in all state laws as and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: let us legislature take it from here. Women are those

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Speaker 1: who quote biologically whose biological reproductive system is developed to

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Speaker 1: system is developed to fertilize the OVA of a female.

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Speaker 1: Which y yeah, Hey Radfams, I hope you're fucking happy.

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Speaker 1: Now you've gotten the state to legally define your gender

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Speaker 1: as based on your reproductive capacity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've great job. Feed run of the fucking what's

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Speaker 2: the thing where they will wear the bonnets?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And here here's it just intersects people kind of exist.

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Speaker 1: You're fucking it's worse. Okay, So again, here here's kas NT,

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Speaker 1: which is a news outlet in Kansas. In addition to restrooms,

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Speaker 1: the legislation would define words like woman, man, mother, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh supposedly this is going to be on

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Speaker 1: also the bathroom bill shit, and like the worst version

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Speaker 1: also so this is not the only one of these bills.

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Speaker 1: That's we'll talk about the other one in Montana in

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Speaker 1: even more cretnius than their colleagues in Montana, they have

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Speaker 1: written the bill in such a way that, in the

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Speaker 1: words of Pink News, quote definitions outlined in the bill

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Speaker 1: also state that a female a female is a person

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Speaker 1: who produces ova, in other words, eggs meeting cis. Women

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Speaker 1: who are infertile and are unable to produce eggs could

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Speaker 2: Likewise, sis, man, I guess yeah, it's it's yeah, like

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like yeah, you know, and and it's bullshit,

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Speaker 2: like its pointing out the logical errors. It doesn't really

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Speaker 2: like their point is not to be like logically found,

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Speaker 2: it's to be cruel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But but but I think there is something very

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Speaker 1: very very firm example of how the struggle for trans

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Speaker 1: if you look at what's happened here, right, Republican lawmakers

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Speaker 1: are literally defining women by their by their capacity to

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Speaker 1: like you know, my fucking kid, and you know what

433
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Speaker 1: you're doing to them.

434
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: That's the way to approach you, right, like the person

435
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: trying to legislate your little trans son out of existence.

436
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like fuck these people, they're gonna do

437
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: this ship. Okay. So there's a couple of theories as

438
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: to why what happened next happened next. There's been a

439
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: lot of speculation that it's been like, oh, this is

440
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: like a gambit by the the the Freedom Caucus to

441
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: like turn Zoe's Ephyr into like the face of the

442
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: Montana Democratic Parties they can win a Senate race. It's like,

443
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Speaker 1: I I actually don't buy that I think very specifically

444
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: the when you close your hands to pray, you see

445
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: the blood in your hands thing. I think they got

446
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: really fucking pissed off, and then they just kept escalating.

447
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: So after that happens, the Montana Republicans formally censor her

448
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: and they prevent her from speaking on the floor until

449
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: she apologizes and as long as like, no, fuck you,

450
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: I got much, but she said no, I'm I'm not

451
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: gonna apologize. Right, there are there are a bunch of

452
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: like pretty large protests like in Helena that are like

453
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Speaker 1: you know that that are that are like pro trans

454
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: protests and protests to like let Zoe speak, and they

455
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Speaker 1: arrest seven of the protesters.

456
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Speaker 3: Uh.

457
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Speaker 1: One of the people they arrest was I think a

458
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Speaker 1: woman on crutches who like couldn't clear the area fast enough.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on crutches. Yeah, I was like I

460
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: did go down before people didn't. Yeah, and all kinds

461
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: of ship.

462
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: And then and then the so there's like there are

463
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Speaker 1: these protests in the gallery right and the the Montena

464
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Speaker 1: Republicans start doing this whole thing about how this is

465
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Speaker 1: this is this is the democratic January sixth, and like

466
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: they were storming the capital the capitals in the seats.

467
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: I try to do that in Tennessee as well. Like

468
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: it's so pathetic, like so asinine.

469
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the every thing I want to mention about this,

470
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: right is like, okay, like the Montana Freedom cocause people

471
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: and all, like the censors and the fucking press releases

472
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: are just constantly misgendering Zoe.

473
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: It is.

474
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Speaker 1: It's really fucking ugly. Uh yeah, And you know, so

475
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: after these protests, the house like banishes her from the

476
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Speaker 1: floor and kicks her out of her offices, and so

477
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Speaker 1: she shows up like to work from a bench outside

478
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Speaker 1: the chambers where like legally they can't kick her out

479
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Speaker 1: of But then like this is an ongoing saga, right,

480
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: like like this morning she showed up and there were

481
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Speaker 1: like three really old white women sitting on.

482
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Speaker 2: The bed speaker of the house's mom oh speak of

483
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Speaker 2: the house much.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

485
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this this fucking big Montana tough guy had

486
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: to call his mom to fight his battles for him.

487
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: Like they just insanely pureile to nine nonsense, but it's

488
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: unfortunately has very real consequences.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, so she was like at

490
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: like a lout. She was like like had her like tablet,

491
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: like on a lunch counter, taking meetings from like like

492
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: standing at the counter. Yeah, it's it's been a whole thing. Also,

493
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: I think earlier today someone someone tried to swat her girlfriend. Yeah,

494
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: because the journalist Aaron Reid. Uh So, that's bad. This

495
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: whole thing's been getting like an unbelievable amount of media attention,

496
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: and you know, in a very very short period of time,

497
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Speaker 1: Zoe Zephyr goes from someone who I know about because

498
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm trans, and like all trans people are like four

499
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: hops away from each other, something I probably shouldn't say,

500
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: but like it's true. Yeah, you kind of get there,

501
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: aren't that many of us, and a lot of us

502
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: are extremely online, so like you know, like I'm like

503
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: two hops away from this person, right, like from.

504
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: Multiple strangles with her, right.

505
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met her like very briefly in a stream.

506
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: She's you know, like she's a good person. She I

507
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: don't know, she's just like this is one of the

508
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: things that I think, like I've met a couple of

509
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: the or a few of the like very famous like

510
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: trans people who sort of come under the gun and

511
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: they're just normal fucking people, like just normal trans people

512
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: and this bullshit happens to them.

513
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so like bullshit that like, like I know

514
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: a number of trans ladies who are bi racist, right,

515
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: and like they like it must be pretty clear that

516
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: if you win a fucking race, if you win a

517
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: big race, like you know what's coming for you know,

518
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: fucking bright bart and News is going to have you

519
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: on there the next year. It's and the same for her, right,

520
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: she likely would have been aware that the moment she

521
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: tried to defend her right to fucking exist, all the

522
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: very worst people around the country with baying for blood.

523
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: She's very brave anyway, Like she should fuck them. They

524
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to side and.

525
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: Say yeah, okay, we should take an ad break. Yeah

526
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: one more time and then yeah we'll come back and.

527
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: Say something funny.

528
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 5: Bit more chit chit chit chi, chumback, Okay, we're back.

529
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Speaker 1: Okay. So in the middle of all of this, so

530
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: we went home to I think there was like a

531
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: recess or something, because legislatures work like two days a year.

532
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: Rich people hours. Yeah it was bullshit, like, yeah they

533
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: have like a break for fucking horse racing and yeah

534
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: poo or whatever.

535
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so she she went home to Missoula, and

536
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: there was a just like a massive march. There was

537
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: this rally that turned into like this basically like a

538
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: twenty four hour long party. People. My favorite story for this,

539
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: there's some people who Okay, so they brought beer they

540
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: had got from rowing a boat out to a derailed train. Yes,

541
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: I say think the two media narratives is twenty twenty three. Yeah, yeah,

542
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's great and like you know, I mean,

543
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I think in these sort of moments, right, you can

544
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: see the new world there, right, you can see a

545
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: world where, you know, we no longer live in fear. This,

546
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: you can see this world where where we're free to

547
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: create joy and meeting in art, in our lives, you know,

548
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: can be a celebration of the beauty that's in and

549
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: around us. But that world, the world that generations and

550
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: generations with trans people have fought and died to sort

551
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: of claw out of the dirt the world tried to

552
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: bury us in, that world will die unless we fight

553
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: for it. And that fight cannot be left to individual

554
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: state representatives. There's not enough of them. Eventually they will lose.

555
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: And and this is this is the other story of

556
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Montana rights. As much as you know, as much as

557
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: what's been going on in Montana is a story about

558
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: a trans woman defying like all of the sort of

559
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: organized power for state, like all of those bills passed,

560
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and there is not enough power to If we keep

561
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: trying to fight them in legislatures, and we keep trying

562
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: to only fight them in in the legislatures and in court,

563
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: we're going to lose. But okay, I probab, I probably

564
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't say this before I know we've we've locked in

565
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: the title. But the projected title of this is the

566
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Trans is the Transgenocide. A siege and a counter attack,

567
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: and I promised a counterattack, So now I'm gonna fucking

568
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: give it to you.

569
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Speaker 2: You didn't want like brief notes on the seageon like

570
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: you could have gone full maoist on the tide.

571
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Now why we will? We did? We did that with

572
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the other one, and I realized after the last episode

573
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: we did on this and I could have just called

574
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: it counterattack and that would be better. So I've saved

575
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: it for this moment.

576
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you get to ease it.

577
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: So, Okay. One of the things that's become incredibly apparent

578
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: in the last in the last few years, is that

579
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: as as much as there is sort of passive transphobia

580
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: in society, transphobia is not a sort of nebulous idea

581
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: that just like floats freely around the world. It is

582
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: brought into this world by men. And you know, we

583
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: know the foundational story of how these men and women

584
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: gain power. Right they cut a deal with capital to

585
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: reconstitute the Republican Party in the eighties. But you know

586
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: this is this is both their weakness and their strength.

587
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: Right.

588
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: It's their strength because this gives them an enormous amount

589
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: of resources to pull on. It gives them the institutional

590
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: backing of an entire political party. But it's weakness is

591
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: and it means that capital and the transphobes are bound together.

592
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: And this means that when you scratch a capitalist of

593
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: transphobe bleeds. Now, the other things that we know are A,

594
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: there are power in there's power and logistics, and b

595
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: there are companies profiting from genocide. FedEx, for example, FedEx's

596
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: headquarters are in Tennessee. Tennessee has passed a bunch of pennesces,

597
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: like the state where this shit all fucking started, right

598
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: with the original bathroom bills, with their drag bills, with

599
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: their you know that they've also passed bands on minors

600
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: getting gender from and care. There are other states where,

601
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can look at the largest sort of

602
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: companies in the states, like Missouri is probably like Panera, Montana,

603
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Schnyder Electric, Kentucky's probably KFC, and you know those companies

604
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: are weaknesses. So what am I talking about here? I'm

605
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: not talking about a boycott because this is the US.

606
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Nobody fucking knows how to do a boycott. Like when

607
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: when Americans try to do a boycott, they buy like

608
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: sixteen palletts of bud light and shoot it with a bazooka,

609
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: right Like, this is the This is a boycott. It

610
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: is not what I'm talking about here is something a

611
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: lot more serious. You know, we we we've we've we've

612
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: seen this sort of so let me praise this. We've

613
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: sort of the sort of echoes of what this kind

614
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: of campaign could look like with the SOB Coop City

615
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: protest with you know, you have protests outside the offices

616
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: of banks and outside of corporations that are backing that

617
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: are backing cop City. But I'm talking you know that

618
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: and that at the most mild is something that we

619
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: should be doing. Right, These companies that are profiting from genocide,

620
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: the companies that are you know, funded by the fucking

621
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: tax exemptions that are given out by these states. The

622
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: companies that are you know, giving money to the seple

623
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: political campaigns. But I'm talking about more than that. I'm

624
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: talking about blockades. This is you know, veries bifically FedEx

625
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: is quite post is possibly the best example of a

626
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: company that you can that you can just target right

627
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: talking about blockades, we're talking about supply like disrupting their

628
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: supply chains. I'm talking about very specifically a campaign that

629
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: put the trans sword to the arteries of capital and

630
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: make the bassards bleed. I'm talking about a counter attack. Now,

631
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: the advantage of the strategy of picking corporations, targeting them

632
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: and disrupt like not not not just necessarily protesting outside

633
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: of their office so though doing that, but specifically actually

634
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: making them fucking bleed, actually just up in their ability

635
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: to function as a company. Right. The advantage of this strategy,

636
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: which has developed and sort of broad strokes of my

637
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: dear friend Vicky Ostroweil, is that what one of the big,

638
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: one of the big problems we have in this whole fight.

639
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Is this sort of weird? Is this geog the geographic mismatch, right,

640
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the majority of people in the US

641
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: and also the majority of people in most of the

642
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: states where this is happening, right, don't support this ship.

643
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because you know, the district are

644
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: jerry mander to fuck and you know, but it means that,

645
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people who like me. For example,

646
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: like I live in Illinois, right, like the the you know,

647
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, the best I can do is help

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Speaker 1: my friends in Missouri get out and try to help,

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Speaker 1: like you know, do do do things like secure access

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Speaker 1: to transport and housing for refugees, secure access to hormones

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Speaker 1: of people. But if we're if we're going after if

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Speaker 1: you're going after capital, if we're going after the companies,

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Speaker 1: the banks, the financial institutions that are funding this ship,

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Speaker 1: we can hit them everywhere because states have borders, but

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Speaker 1: capital doesn't. And that means that you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can if if if if you are specifically you

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Speaker 1: want to target the legislature of Kentucky, you can go

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Speaker 1: after fucking KFC, right, you can go after their banks.

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Speaker 1: You can go after you can go after anyone who

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Speaker 1: funds them. We can hit them on multiple fronts here, right,

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Speaker 1: we can hit them with protests. But these companies also

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Speaker 1: they rely on our labor. Right. A lot of these

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Speaker 1: places are you know, are either sort of fast food

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Speaker 1: change or logistics networks. And that's that's a place where

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Speaker 1: you know, trans people are overrepresented because trans people are

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Speaker 1: overrepresented in the service sector, you know, again because it's

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Speaker 1: easier to get jobs there and institutional transphobia locks you

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Speaker 1: out of better jobs. They also rely on public infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: They rely on you know, streets being open, right, They

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Speaker 1: rely on an entire logistics network to make sure that

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Speaker 1: not only are they extracting the labor of people that

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Speaker 1: they are, like you know, the sort of like theoretical

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Speaker 1: term for this is realization. Right. They have to actually

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Speaker 1: be able to sell, they have to be able to

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Speaker 1: assemble their prouct they have to be able to sell it.

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Speaker 1: And you can stop them things, right, I mean the

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Speaker 1: k KFC. And sometimes it's also kind of hard because

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Speaker 1: there's franchise shit going on. But that's not true with FedEx,

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Speaker 1: Like every FedEx office is FedEx and you know, these

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Speaker 1: these are these are companies that like, maybe we can't

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Speaker 1: fucking drive them underground, right, but we can make them bleed,

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Speaker 1: and we can make it we can make it painful

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Speaker 1: enough to be complicit in this genocide that these people

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Speaker 1: that you know, these people get fucking acts, right, we can,

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Speaker 1: we can, we can make them bleed, we can go

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Speaker 1: And you know another another thing that you know people

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Speaker 1: can do, right, is it's not that you know, if

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Speaker 1: if if if you have like a spare afternoon on

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Speaker 1: a weekend, Right, it's not that hard to figure out

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Speaker 1: that like the specific business interests of the legislators who

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Speaker 1: are voting for this stuff. You can just do this.

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Speaker 1: All these people are unbelievably corrupt. They have land deals

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Speaker 1: that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, open records that let you see

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Speaker 2: who donates to all those people as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and there are websites that you can just

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Speaker 1: like like you can just google who gives the notions

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Speaker 1: to people and yeah, it's like donations trackers, and you

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Speaker 1: can like plug in their name and it will show

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Speaker 1: you whe who donates to them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so we have learned through the through sort of

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Speaker 1: the experience of the past few years, right, that these

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Speaker 1: people cannot be swayed by logic. They cannot be swayed

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Speaker 1: by They can't be swayed by logic. They cannot be

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Speaker 1: swayed by science. They cannot be swayed by you know,

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Speaker 1: they cannot be swayed by the emotional appeals. They do

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Speaker 1: not give a shit about trans people. They would literally

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Speaker 1: rather have their kids die than be trans. But again,

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Speaker 1: the one thing they do care about is capital. And

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Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you, if you, if you

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Speaker 1: make capital bleed, these people will bleed to and that

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Speaker 1: will actually fucking hurt them, and that will give you

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Speaker 1: the leverage you need to let these people make a choice. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's either us or the world of capital burns.

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