1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren vocal Baum, and today 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: we have an episode for you about lemonade. Yeah, and 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: it's a real fun one. Yeah. Yes, I, as I 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: told you, Annie, am perhaps most excited historically about the 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: plague um of lemonade. That was how Lauren pitched it 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: to me. And I definitely had some questions. I had 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: some follow up questions. But it turns out you're right, 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and it turns out, yeah, that's pretty good. That's a 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: pretty good section of the history and the lemonade episode. 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: But I was a little dubious. Sure, that's fair, that's fair. Um. 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this one because you know, it's 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: it's officially summertime here in the Northern Hemisphere, and so 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: I was like, what's nice and summary and lemonade came 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: to mind. I heckn love lemonade so much. It's so good, 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: or like, when it's good, it's good, when it's not, 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: it's so that's how I feel. I feel like, I 18 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: like a good I don't like the overly sweetened lemonade, 19 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: but if you get like a good tart, yes, And 20 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: I usually put lemon in my water, which isn't technically lemonade, 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: but I do like that kind of tart hydrated. It's 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: very hydrating. I I crave I crave lemon water. Yes, 23 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: me too, Me too. Oh I'm actually drinking lemon water right. 24 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: I can't when I'm recording because is like the acid 25 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: content kind of throws off my my vocals. Um. But 26 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: but I do have some like I have some like 27 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: ginger lemonade, like camucha waiting for me nice, I'm real excited. 28 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: I have noticed I don't normally drink lemon water when 29 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: we're recording, but I have noticed it's made my stomach. 30 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm hungry, but it's my stomach is 31 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: making more sounds than normal. So that's interesting observation. Ah. 32 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: And also I have several interesting observations. Lemonade Number one, 33 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: There is a kid I would guestimate teaser, around ten 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: years old on my street who sells lemonade, kind of 35 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: a new age lemonade stand. And every time, almost every 36 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: time I have somebody over, they come up and they 37 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: kind of begrudgingly have this cup of limits. So he 38 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: must very persuasive. Good for good for him. Yeah, I 39 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: know right, and he accepts Venmo, so he's, you know, 40 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: technologically on the putting edge of lemonade stands. And that's 41 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: how he'd get me too, because I'd be like, oh man, 42 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't carry cash, and he'd be like, 43 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I take Venmo and I'd be like, well then you 44 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: when you win this round child the last Um. Yeah, 45 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: And I think almost all of my friends they all 46 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: enjoy it, but they all kind of get it because 47 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: I feel like he guilds them into it and they 48 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: have no excuse to get out. But one of my 49 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: friends like looks forward to it and she's like, oh, 50 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: he's out there. So you know, congrats kid, if you're listening, 51 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: you're doing well. You've got some fans. Yeah. Yes, Also, um, 52 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean shout out to forever again. When we used 53 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: to do videos, but we went to a localist ablishment, 54 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Old Fourth Distillery, and we did an episode on Gin 55 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: a video episode. Uh, and they make something called lawn Dart, 56 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: which is essentially kind of a spiked lemonade. It's really good. 57 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: It's got like a really good ginger bite. Yeah, it's 58 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: like a it's like a like a lemon vodka kind 59 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: of situation. Yeah, but my friends absolutely love it. And 60 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: every time they come to visit me there like can 61 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: you get something dart? Yes, and we mix it like 62 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: half an half with lemonade. But they, I swear every 63 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: time they're like, where can you get some lawn dark 64 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: lawn dart? Yeah, it's it's it's real tasty. Yeah, old 65 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: old fourth does a does a good job. They do, 66 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: they do. It is really good. It's really good for summer. Uh. 67 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: And then of course Beyonce, which we're going to talk 68 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: about a little bit, but yep, her album Lemonade. I 69 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: was reading the the lyrics. My my my tab history today 70 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: is really interesting. But now I was reading through the 71 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: lyrics and like getting a little fired up again. I'm like, alright, alright, 72 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: time to revisit. Time to revisit Beyonce's Lemonade. I think definitely, 73 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: especially because she's got a new album coming out, you know, 74 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: you can build up. Yeah. And I could have sworn 75 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: Lauren that we've done a Limin episode, but I have 76 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: been avoiding it to these five years. Yes, all right, 77 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: that's absolutely understandable. We have Doneline. Yeah. Uh, we've also 78 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: done one on Ice, which is important to this episode, 79 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: and carbonated drinks. Yeah. Also artificial flavors fits in here, 80 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: and I guess like the gin and tonic and maybe 81 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: the dakery, even though yes those are more lime based, 82 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: do kind of intersect? Yeah? Yeah, um, I think I 83 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: think some moral will come to us this one. Definitely. 84 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: It's like a hydra where you cut off one rabbit 85 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: hole and then take its place, not two, but three. Yeah. Yeah, 86 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: I right. And there's some things like like we I 87 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: don't I don't think we managed to mention lemon cello 88 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: in this outline. But but that's clearly a whole other episode. 89 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, all right, take a breath. I guess 90 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: you are question. Okay, all right. Lemonade? What is it? Well, 91 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: lemonade is a drink made of water flavored with lemon 92 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: and sweetener, typically served chilled. It can be fizzy or flat, 93 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: cloudy or clarified, yellowish or clear or pink, squeezed fresh 94 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: or mixed up from a powder, served chilled or ice 95 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: or frozen as a slushy. It's tart and sweet, uh 96 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: in a in a balance you know, however, you prefer 97 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: it um and can have all of these lovely notes 98 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: of other like fruits and florals. Um. It's like it's 99 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: it's like you're It's like when you're on a beach 100 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: on a bright day and you've just gotten out of 101 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: the water and a breeze hits you just right and 102 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: you get goose bumps for just a second, like even 103 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: though the sun is hot. Huh invigorating, Yes, oh my gosh, yes, 104 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: I love it. Um. Hypothetically, the easiest way to create 105 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: lemonade is to juice a lemon, dissolve some sugar or 106 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: another sweetener in the lemon juice, and then add some water. Um. 107 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is the incredible future. We don't need 108 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: lemons to make lemonade. Uh. If you've if you've ever 109 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: wondered at how like soda fountain brands like Minute Made 110 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: lemonade can be labeled as zero present juice and still 111 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: taste more or less like lemon um. It's thanks to 112 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: flavor compounds like citric acid and citrol. These compounds can 113 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: be produced in a lab, either naturally by extracting them 114 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: from plants that grow them or from microbes that have 115 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: been engineered to grow them, or artificially by deriving or 116 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: creating them out of more other compounds. On a massive scale. 117 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: This can be a lot cheaper than like growing and 118 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: juice and lemons, which is why massive companies do it um. 119 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: But at any rate, once you've got your basic lemonade, 120 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: people around the world add all kinds of different things 121 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 1: to it. Um Fruit like strawberry or raspberry or pineapple, 122 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: herbs like mint or rosemary, florals like rosewater or orange 123 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: blossom water, spices, or blends like like ginger or chop 124 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: must all, uh, alcohol to make a cocktail, or a 125 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: malt beverage like Mike's Hard lemonade. UM, or other beverages 126 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: like iced tea. Oh wow, Mike's Hard lemonade. That's a throwback. 127 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, apparently it counts as one of the 128 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: like major lemonade producers. Wow okay, um yeah yeah. Well 129 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: what about the nutrition? It depends on how it's made. Uh. 130 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Fresh squeezed lemonade with minimal sweetener is pretty okay for you. 131 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we should all be avoiding drinking 132 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: too many of our calories every day. But treat trees 133 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: are nice, yes, yeah, and you get some vitamin C 134 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: in there prevents scurvy, so good definitely. Uh. Well, we 135 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: do have some numbers for you. Oh we do. UM. 136 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: According to one industry analysis or I read a couple 137 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: industry analyzes that estimated the global direct to consumer lemonade 138 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: market being worth around like twelve to thirteen billion dollars 139 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: as of UM and growing UM. And according to one report, 140 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: UM fifty percent of that was non alcoholic UM lemonade, 141 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: which doesn't mean that was alcoholic because powdered mix and 142 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: other we're in there too. Not sure what other means 143 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: um uh, but yeah, without paying like like three thousand dollars, 144 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't see the rest of the breakdown, so I'm 145 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: not sure what the other numbers were UM at any rate. Uh. 146 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: North America was the biggest consumer overall like fort pent 147 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: of the global market of direct consumer lemonade, but Europe 148 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: was the biggest consumer of alcoholic lemonades, with of that 149 00:10:53,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: segment going to Europe. Huh interesting, okay, yeah, UM. But 150 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: what we do have a lot of for you is history. 151 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: We do, indeed, But before we get into that, we're 152 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: going to pause for a quick break for word from 153 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: our sponsor. And we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, 154 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: so yes lemon different episode. Apparently we've been putting it 155 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: off for a long time. But it will happen. It will. 156 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: It's just it's very confusing, like botanically speaking, and like 157 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing to really be done about it. There's nothing 158 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: to be done about it. And that's part of the 159 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: issue because there is historically a lot of confusion around 160 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: lemons and mislabeling them, especially like other various citrus fruits 161 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: getting thrown into the mix. Uh So yeah. Tracing the 162 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: history of lemon from my brief dalliance for this episode, 163 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that is gonna be shrouble. It's 164 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: gonna be shrouble. Um. But the literature suggests that lemons 165 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: were not known in pre Islamic times, and the first 166 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: known clear mention of the lemon tree was in a 167 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: tenth century Arabic farming book. Two centuries later, the personal 168 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: physician to Muslim leader of Saladin, Ebben Jommy pinned a 169 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: treatise on lemons. It was kind of like a like 170 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: a medical cookbook, which was a pretty popular thing around 171 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: that time. Um. I've seen the title translated from the 172 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Arabic as on lemon, It's drinking and use. Um. He 173 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: wrote that lemon drinks quench one's thirst and revive one's strength, 174 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: and recommended lemon drinks lemonade basically as a digestive aid 175 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: and helping ease throat inflammation. It does feel very like 176 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: in in BioShock or whatever, where you're like, my health 177 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: is flagging, drink it and goes yeah yeah yeah. After 178 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: that mentioned, lemons were mentioned more and more frequently in 179 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the Mediterranean. UM alright, so for eliminate itself. The first 180 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: known written reference to it comes out of medieval Egypt, 181 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: though it very well may have been invented earlier and 182 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: in multiple places. I mean, just like you said, Lauren, 183 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: it depends how we define lemonade. Um. Lemons were first 184 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: recorded in Egypt in the early one thousands c, and 185 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: by about one thousand, one hundred and four lemon juice 186 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: had become fairly common there. The Jewish community residing in 187 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: Cairo produced bottles of lemon juice sweetened with a good 188 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: amount of sugar, that were enjoyed by the locals, but 189 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: also exported up until the thirteenth century. Skipping ahead a 190 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: couple of centuries and hopping over to Europe, a form 191 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: of lemonade made with sparkling water and lemon juice sweetened 192 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: with honey old from tanks that vendors secured to their backs, 193 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: became very popular in France in sixteen thirty. A similar 194 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: drink was popular in Italy around that same time, and 195 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: prior to that, lemon trees had been cultivated in Asia 196 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: and Europe, but before the sixteen hundreds, lemons were just 197 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: too expensive for most people in these regions, and eating 198 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: raw lemons was viewed as bad for your health. Uh. 199 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: An increase in trading, breeding, and domestication made lemons far 200 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: more common. Lemonades began showing up in medical recommendations in 201 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: Great Britain in the fifteen and sixteen hundreds, mixed with 202 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: other ingredients that were considered nourishing, like barley or eggs 203 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: or sherry yeah um. And simultaneous to all of this, 204 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: throughout the sixteen hundreds, UM sugar was becoming much more 205 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: affordable throughout Europe due to UM the enslaved production of 206 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: sugarcane yes. And while lemonade made with now more affordable 207 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: lemons did spread across Europe, it was beloved in Paris 208 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: specifically uh huh. In one chef Francois Pierre Leverenne included 209 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: a recipe for simple lemonade lemon juice, water and sugar 210 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: in the foundational work Li Cuisinier Francois. In sixteen seventy six, 211 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: vendors came together to form a union called Compangni de 212 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Lemonadiers Demandiers. There we go. I think that's right. Oh 213 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying my best. It's better than I could have done. 214 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: I'll go with it. Okay, okay, Yeah, they're fizzy. Lemonade 215 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: served out of tanks on their backs was basically the 216 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: first marketed soft drink uh, and recipes at the time 217 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: included everything from rose water and jasmine and orange blossom 218 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: to cinnamon musk and ambergris. Yes, and this brings us 219 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: to hard lack death plague segment of the episode Woo, 220 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: because Parisians and their love of lemonade at this time 221 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: might have actually provided some protection against the plague. You know, 222 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: you were right, Lauren. I had my doubts, but you 223 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: were right, all right. So here's what happened. The plague, 224 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: also known as black death, made an unfortunate comeback in 225 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: France in the seventeenth century, causing about one million deaths, 226 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: but despite having just as many rats that carried plague 227 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: bearing fleas, if not more than the rest of the country. 228 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: People living in Paris seem to escape for the most 229 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: part unscathed. Why is that. Well, one theory is that 230 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: they absolutely were ride or die for lemonade. And this 231 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: meant lemon peels all over the place in Paris, and 232 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: the gutters and the garbage and the River Seine. Where 233 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: were there were rats, there were lemon peels. And lemon 234 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: peels contain a naturally occurring ingredient that kills off fleas, 235 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: both the larvae and adults, called lemonine. So when the 236 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: rats snacked on the lemon peels, they unknowingly, unwillingly were 237 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: killing fleas and stopped the cycle of infection. Lemonade, lemonade. Yeah, 238 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: you're a right, Lauren. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, 239 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: all right. But that's that's the end of our black 240 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: plague aside. Yeah, which is which is great. I mean, 241 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: it's good that there's not more about the black plague 242 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: in this Lemonade episode. In this lemonade episode, yes, you're correct, 243 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: all right. A couple of lemonade adjacent innovations followed Soon 244 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: after all of this. Joseph Priestley's invention of a device 245 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: to create carbonated water, something Johann Schwepp expanded on in 246 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the seventeen eighties when he invented a new method of 247 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: carbonate shin that allowed for more efficient mass production. And 248 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: a couple of decades later, in the eighteen thirties, European 249 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: lemonade stands experienced further growth with swepts fizzy lemonade. UH. 250 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty one, Isabella Beaten included a lemonade recipe 251 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: in her work The Book of Household Management, which we 252 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: talked about. As European colonists arrived in North America, so 253 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: too did lemonade uh. And it was commonplace Ish common 254 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: places by the eighteenth century UM and skipping ahead into 255 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. By the eighteen forties, lemonade was a 256 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: popular drink at United States Fourth of July celebrations right 257 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: uh and it was touted as an excellent substitute for 258 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: alcohol during the temperance movement in this country. Companies and 259 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: politicians got in on this whole thing too. Around this time, 260 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: sun Kissed debut the slogan goodbye to liquor, here's to lemonade, 261 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: and in order to secure the votes of the prohibitionist president, 262 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: Rutherford B. Hayes banned alcohol at state dinners and functions 263 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: from seventy seven to eighteen eighty one. People who oppose 264 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: this band targeted his wife, Lucy Webb Hayes, calling her 265 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: lemonade Lucy. Also around this time, a nurse and founder 266 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: of the American Red Cross, Clara Barton, wrote, A word 267 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: should perhaps be said as to the unwholesomeness of the 268 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: extremely cold water tea, lemonade, and other liquids which are 269 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: so extensively used throughout the United States. These cold drinks 270 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: reduced the temperature of the stomach, thereby checking digestion, and 271 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: for this reason should be avoided during or immediately after meals. 272 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, I actually have heard that before. It's a 273 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: kind of a probably no science behind it, but someone 274 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: has told me this before. Yeah, I that's that's so. 275 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: And I had never even doing our our ice episode. 276 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't. I don't feel like we talked about any 277 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: like medical opinions about like, oh man, this new ice 278 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: water trend is really reckon your digestion. Um but huh, well, well, indeed, 279 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: and speaking of will this just about brings us to 280 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: pink lemonade, and wow, most of the information I found 281 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: was chopping at the bit to talk about lemonade. Okay, yeah, 282 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: which I mean here we are. We can't separate ourselves 283 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: down either. Um. So most of the stories people like 284 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: to tell have to do with circus, the circus and 285 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: ice um. And this is very very kind of in 286 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: the realm of legend. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, more 287 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: on more on that. As as we go forward through 288 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: the story during the nineteenth century, both the circus and 289 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: ice we're gaining a lot of momentum. The first known 290 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: mention of pink lemonade in the context of the circus 291 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: occurred in eight se from West Virginia's Wheeling Register. Uh. 292 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: There are just so many stories about how pink lemonade 293 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: happened and what has to do with the circus, but 294 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: historians have determined too to be the most likely one 295 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: is from nineteen twelve and is the story we've heard 296 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: many variations of on this show. We're in a vendor 297 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: accidentally spilled something, in this case red dyed cinnamon candies 298 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: into lemonade, uh, dying at pink so, you know, accidental vendor, 299 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: but went ahead and sold it anyway. The other one 300 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: is not as wholesome. It comes from eighteen fifties seven 301 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: and details of frantic concession worker with a long line 302 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: of customers who really wanted to lemonade. The worker was 303 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: out of water, so in his desperate search, he grabbed 304 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: a tub of dirty washwater. Uh. And only moments earlier 305 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: a performer had taken off her dirty pink tights, washed 306 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: and wrung them out in that tub, So it was 307 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: pink dirty water. Uh. The concession worker used it, nonetheless 308 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: to make a special strawberry lemonade. Uh, and the customers 309 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: loved it. Sales doubled, and pink lemonade became a must 310 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: at the circus. Mm hm m m. Well, well, indeed, 311 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of you know, holes in that story. E. E. 312 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Kellogg's work Science in the Kitchen featured a recipe for 313 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: pink lemonade. The pink was accomplished with quote a half 314 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: a cup of fresh or canned strawberry, red raspberry current 315 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: or cranberry juice. And that took place. So yeah, so 316 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: pink lemonade was already a thing at the time. Um 317 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: that those circus stories are like if you couldn't tell 318 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: from just listening to them, like surely apocryphal um because right, 319 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: other other recipes from around the times juted additions like 320 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: like those, or like a watermelon or cherries, like any 321 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: number of stuff that isn't like dirty tights water that 322 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: would that would make your lemonade. But people love to 323 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: tell us story story. Yeah sure. Um. It was around 324 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: this time, the mid to late eighteen hundreds that also um, 325 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: newfangled compounds like tutaric acid and citric acid we're hitting 326 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: the market and vendors began using these to flavor their 327 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: drinks instead of lemon juice. UM. Jerry Thomas write recipes 328 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: in his eighteen sixty two Bartending guide How to Mix 329 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Drinks that included those products UM plus lemon oil for 330 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: bottled or powdered instant lemonade, and home cookbooks included similar 331 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: recipes as well. And then in nine Men's Wear, a 332 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: retailer's newspaper came with this quote in business, turn obstacles 333 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: into conveniences. When handed a lemon, make lemonade of it. 334 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: H Then a couple of years later, the Chicago School 335 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: of Sanitary Instruction recommended if anyone hands you a lemon, 336 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: make lemonade of it, it is both helpful and pleasant 337 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: to take. However, actor, director, and humorous Marshall Pickney is 338 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: often credited with popularizing the phrase obviously we're talking about 339 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, when life gives you limit lemonade. In his 340 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen obituary, composed by writer Albert Hubbard, quote he 341 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: picked up the lemons that fate had sent him and 342 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: started a lemonade stand. Yeah. So so those are kind 343 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: of the origins of Yeah, life gives you lemons, make lemonade. UM. 344 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to put in that uh uh much later. 345 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: UM portal to the video game UM riffed on this 346 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: because at one point you run across this audio recording 347 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: for Cave Johnson, who's a sort of like Dystopia Universe 348 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, which is really saying something. Um. Anyway, he's 349 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: he's voiced in the game by the indomitable J. K. Simmons, 350 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: and he says, uh, when life gives you lemons, don't 351 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: make lemonade, make life take the lemons back. Get mad. 352 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: I don't want your damn lemons. What the hell am 353 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Life's manager. 354 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Make life rue the day I thought could give Cave 355 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am. I'm the 356 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: man who's gonna burn your house down with the lemons. 357 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon 358 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: that burns your house down. YS. I mean, yeah, I 359 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: don't want lemons burning my house down. Oh will anyway 360 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and yes, anyway of wars. Lemonade is the sixth studio 361 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: album by Beyonce that debut in sixteen, which featured this 362 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: theme of when life gives you lemon, make lemonade uh, 363 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: and also features the wine directly uh and yeah, I 364 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: love it, I love you h Um. Instant lemonade uh. 365 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: In the first couple decades of the nineteen hundreds, patents 366 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: started popping up for the creation of like a lemon 367 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: juice and lemon peel infused sugar that could be ground 368 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: to a fine powder and sold as an instant mix. Um. 369 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: And then I believe the first frozen lemonade was from 370 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: Sun Kissed uh and that debut in the nineteen fifties. Yes, 371 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: and now we have to talk about the lemonade stand 372 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: sure sure. Obviously, one of the first references to the 373 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: lemonade stand in the US was reported on in the 374 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: New York Times in eighteen seventy nine, and it was 375 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: a story about a Wisconsin shopkeeper who sold alemanade outside 376 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: of his store. Uh. Soon after, several of these stands 377 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: were erected in New York City. And it's kind of 378 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: interesting to read the story because it was like, people 379 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: read this and it was supposed to be like, Oh, 380 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: look at this cute shopkeeper and what he does. And 381 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: then people in New York were like, yes, a nickel 382 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: got you a cup of lemonade, which was ten cents 383 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: cheaper than if you had to go inside in an 384 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: establishment to get lemonade. However, as there was no regulation, 385 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: several unscrupulous vendors mixed dirty water, molasses and vinegar um 386 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: served this concoction out of uncleaned vessels, largely to arriving immigrants. 387 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Many early references of lemonade stands are run by women, 388 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: including a woman who allegedly tore off the coattails of 389 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: a man who insulted her at her stand stand by 390 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: you woman. Uh. Some people use lemonade stands to help 391 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: pay their way through college at this time, and Edward Bok, 392 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: a Dutch immigrant, got his curiosity up when he realized 393 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of passing horse carriages near him would 394 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: stop at a cigar shop in order for the horses 395 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: to rest, and the men would go inside the cigar 396 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: shop to get a drink, but the women and children 397 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: were not allowed in and had to wait outside with 398 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: the horse. To be clear, the horse was not going 399 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: into the cigar shop. Okay, good, thank you yest. So 400 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Box started offering clean and actually clean ice watered people 401 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: at the stop for one penny a jar, and he 402 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: was successful, but others sick note and they copied him, 403 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: so he upped his game, adding sugar and lemon to 404 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: the water. His story was reported on. He worked as 405 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 1: an editor for Ladies Home Journal and his autobiography won 406 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: a Pulitzer Prize. Uh and it really solidified the whole 407 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: children running a lemonade stance idea, especially as a tool 408 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: to teach children about capitalism, how to run a busy news, 409 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: how to make money, all of those kinds of things. 410 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah mm hmm. Elimonade stands can be hit with substantial 411 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: fines if they don't comply to health and safety standards. 412 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: There was a ninety one case of a child spreading 413 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: polio at her Lemonade Stand after she didn't rinse the classes. 414 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: And this has kind of become an interesting, I say, 415 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: with heavy sigh, political flashpoint. You can look into that 416 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: more if you would like to. In ninety nine, Apple 417 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: two Computers offered a simulation game called Elimonade Stand, where 418 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: players adjusted factors such as price to try to increase 419 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: their success, and you can still play it. It also 420 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: led to the two thousand and two game Limonade Tycoon. 421 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I've played a Lemonade Stand simulator at 422 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: some point. I think I have to, And I think 423 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: it was very heavy handed in like teaching you how 424 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: to succeed in business or something. Or maybe maybe I'm 425 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: thinking about like a like a like a roller coaster 426 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: tycoon Ocean from the late nineties that had a lemonade 427 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: element but wasn't necessarily all about lemonade. Maybe That's what 428 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of. Anyway, could be any number of things. 429 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: It really could, It really could. At the nineteen sixty 430 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: U s Open Golfer, Arnold Palmer allegedly ordered lemonade mixed 431 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: with sweet tea, and the drink was named after him. Yeah, 432 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: we talked about that somewhere before. Uh yes, yes, the end. 433 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: We can't tell you where why, but we have oh goodness, 434 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: um and uh yeah, kind of kind of random brand note. 435 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Country Time debuted the brand in from General Foods Powdered 436 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Lemonade mixed brand. Yeah. Yeah. And one thing I love 437 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: about lemonade is people have their brand preferences or just 438 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: like their fast food preferences. Where they get their lemonade 439 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: is important to a lot of my friends. It is 440 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: no I mean, and I think that I imagine it 441 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: has to be everywhere, but I feel like I've run 442 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: into more impassioned takes on it here in Atlanta than 443 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: I have elsewhere in the country. Yeah, like a Southerner 444 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: has an opinion about a lemonade, Yes, they will tell 445 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: you where to go get it. I know some of 446 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: my friends, Uh, they have like special ways of ordering 447 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: it at restaurants, like half and half or whatever. Oh yeah, 448 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: it's a thing I mean similar to like right, like 449 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: if I'm going to order iced tea in a restaurant 450 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: and I can't pour it myself, I'm I'm like, okay, 451 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: can it be like about half and half sweet and sweet? 452 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: But if I pour it myself it's like it's like 453 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: three quarters to one and then just fill the rest 454 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: with sweet. Yeah. Yeah, it's a difficult balance. It's a 455 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: difficult you get to find it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, 456 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: And like man Chick fil A is so evil, um, 457 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: but their lemonade is very good. I don't recommend giving 458 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: the money for it, like just make your own lemonade 459 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: at that point, but before I realized the depths of 460 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: their evil, I was like, well, if you're having a 461 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: party and you need lemonade, just go get a jug 462 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: from them. Yeah, and I do love like um. Recently, 463 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: at a D and D session, our friend and co 464 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: worker Bin Bowl and it was like, I just have 465 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: to get some lemonade. Um, I have a lemonade craving. 466 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: And he was like, we have to go here to 467 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: get this type of lemonade and we're gonna do it 468 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: this way. And I was like, yes, I'm so on 469 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: board with all of this. Yeah. Yeah, he gets some uh, 470 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: he gets some heavy lemonade cravings, which I understand. They're serious. 471 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: When they hit, they hit hard, they do. And I 472 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: would love listeners from all over if you could write 473 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: in about your lemonade preferences. What's the lemonade situation where 474 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: you're from. Yeah, that would be fantastic. Oh goodness. I 475 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: we love a strong preference here and we want to 476 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: hear yours. But I guess this is what we have 477 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: to say about Lemonade today. It is uh, and we 478 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: have some listener mail for you. But first we have 479 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 480 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, spots here, Yes, thank you, 481 00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: And we're back with listeners like a summer breeze. Yeah. 482 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: I have no idea what you just sounded like, because 483 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: you were doing it softly enough that as soon as 484 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: I as soon as I opened my mouth, your audio 485 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: cut out, so all I had to go on with 486 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: your hand jesters. So listeners, it's a surprise to us. Yeah, 487 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: it could be anything. It's so it's always here. Cool, cool, cool, cool, Yes, uh, 488 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: Carly wrote, First off, I wanted to tell you how 489 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: much I love your show and have been listening since 490 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: its inception than you. I love the knowledge bombs you 491 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: drop and the nerdy humor. My dad had told me 492 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: this story before, but your string Cheese episode really brought 493 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: it home. My father was a college student in the 494 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: seventies and worked at a local bar in Wisconsin. He 495 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: said he remembers very clearly the first string cheese he 496 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: ever saw was at that bar, where they sold it 497 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: as a snack. In fact, they sold so many that 498 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: in less than a week, the inventory was gone and 499 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: the owner ordered more, very proud that this new item 500 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: was such a hit and that he will make such 501 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: a profit from it. Except it was really my dad 502 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: and his coworkers eating all the string cheese and not 503 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: paying for it. Typical college kid. Also, Lauren, your description 504 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: of a date was one on part Finally, Annie, you 505 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: mentioned you wanted to do an episode on video games 506 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: about foods, and it immediately made me think of my 507 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: friend who grew up in Jordan's. One day, he came 508 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: up to me and shouted, Pepsi, pep Pepsi man. He 509 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: then showed me a video game he grew up with 510 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: from Pepsi. I think you were a skateboarding pepsi man 511 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: gathering pepsi cans, but I was unimpressed and did not 512 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: pay very close attention. Lately, had been obsessed with Keefer 513 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: and would love if you did an episode on milk 514 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: keeper us added to lists for sure. Pepsi man I 515 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: have heard of. It is a thing. Okay, I also 516 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: believe it is a it's a pepsi man going around 517 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: and getting like points from pepsi cans. I can't remember 518 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: skateboarding was involved, but it probably was because it was 519 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, that's right. Checks out. That checks out? Um. 520 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: And also, yes, string cheese is a good bar snack, 521 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: especially when fried. Oh yeah, oh yeah, we just went 522 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: to a place I did. I did. I was like, 523 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could be eating deep fried string cheese 524 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: right now. Isn't that the life really is? Um? Sheldon wrote, 525 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a brewer. I listened with interest 526 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: to your non alcohol beer show. There is some newer 527 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: stuff on low or no alcohol beers, but first some 528 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: geeky stuff necessary for background information. Carbohydrates are chains of 529 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: molecules of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Long chains of these 530 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: are starches, Shorter ones are dextrons, and even shorter are sugars. 531 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: Malted grain, usually barley, is mostly starch. The malt also 532 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: contains enzymes. During the mashing process, enzymes break apart the 533 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: long chains the starches into dextrons and sugars. Sugars are 534 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: usually fermentable. The yeast will eat them to poop out alcohol. 535 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: Dextrons are usually not fermentable, although the bugs producing sour 536 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: beers can ferment them. Sugars can be simple or complex. 537 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: Glucose and fructose are very simple sugars. Maltose is a 538 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: bit more complex, and malto trios malto trios is still 539 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: more complex um. Also, the more simple sugars taste sweeter, 540 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: while the more complex are less sweet. In spite of 541 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: the taste of sweetness, they all have the same calories. 542 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: In general, mashing at a lower temperature produces more simple sugars, 543 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: and mashing at a higher temperature favors production of more 544 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: complex sugars and dextrens um. Thus, a brewer has a 545 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: bit of control over which sugars are in the wart. 546 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: Now to the low alcohol part. Traditional yeasts are able 547 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: to eat or ferment glucose, fructose, sucrose, and maltos. Many 548 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: will also handle malto trios or trios um. Can you 549 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: see what's happening here? Given that award has some of 550 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: all of these sugars, A yeast that cannot consume malto trios, 551 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it both ways now will produce a 552 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: lower alcohol beer since it can't consume all the sugars 553 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: and little poop LUs. Latest work is a breeding yeast 554 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: that are unable to consume maltos either. That's another level 555 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: of sugar that will be left, leaving even less alcohol. 556 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: With a combination of managing the mash temperature higher to 557 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: produce more common plex sugars and using these new yeasts, 558 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: it's easy to get a beer down to one to 559 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: one alcohol yet will still have the full body and 560 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: taste of a beer, and with an alcohol level that low, 561 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: less destructive work needs to be done to get it 562 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: to the legal zero point five. Expect to see a 563 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: lot here in the coming years. Is this new technique emerges. Oh, 564 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: one last thing. The word worked is pronounced worked heck 565 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: straight strange You say, how do you pronounce the word work? Oh? Oh, 566 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: I got you always comes in with the pronunciation man. 567 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: So sorry about malto whatever the heck that is. I 568 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: had this moment where I was like I could stop 569 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: and look this up, and then I was like, doesn't 570 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: really matter. Surely it won't be another nine times throughout 571 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: this listener mail, so I I usually I'm one who 572 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: picks out the listener mail and sometimes I I don't 573 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: mean to, but I throw a Lauren under the bus 574 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: because I'm just like, here, no, you take you take 575 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: a lot of those two, and this one was like 576 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: the science or one, so like, I I get it, 577 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: I get it. Um, it's it's totally. It's I also 578 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: don't mind like being sounding a little bit silly on Mike. 579 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't know how to pronounce that's 580 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: just okay, it is, um I do. I do feel 581 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: very silly for not looking it up now, but thank you. 582 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is so cool. I I had 583 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: read like a little bit about the yeast stuff, but um, 584 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: but this explains so much more of it. Um, and 585 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: that's really fascinating. I'm super into all with this. Yeah. 586 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: I love this very science chemistry approach to brewing because 587 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people we just are like, 588 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: oh this tastes good. Yeah, all of this it's that 589 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: way behind it. It's so cool. Yeah, always always well. 590 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to both of those listeners for writing. 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