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Speaker 1: Welcome back season two of Unplugged Man. It's been a

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Speaker 1: good off season, needed to refresh, but we got a

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Speaker 1: great one today to kick season two off. Obviously, with

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Speaker 1: the NBA season right around the corner, we will touch

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Speaker 1: on that this show. But first we are joined by

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller Jeff Pearlman and Devon Hodge. You're

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Speaker 1: probably asking who Davon Hodge is, and once we start talking,

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Speaker 1: you'll know exactly who he is. But let's get to it. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: only God can judge me. Tell us about that book

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Speaker 1: and when is it out comes.

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Speaker 2: Out October twenty First we can get everywhere now. It's

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Speaker 2: a biography of Tupac. Shakur worked on it for three years,

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Speaker 2: interviewed six hundred and fifty people. Dove Deep, Deep, Deep Deep.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the book I always dreamed of writing.

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Speaker 2: I've been a sports writer my whole life. It's my

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Speaker 2: first non sports book, and that's what led me to Devon,

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Speaker 2: which is this incredible journey I went on, and he

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Speaker 2: was probably the most incredible part of it.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak speak to us because again I want the

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Speaker 1: world to know who he is. And once he starts

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Speaker 1: telling you who he is you'll understand why.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically you're obviously a Tupac Diehard. Brenda's Got

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Speaker 2: a Baby to Me is a really important song in

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Speaker 2: the Tupac. They kind of sent him on his way

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Speaker 2: after same song with his underground and he was he

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Speaker 2: he was filming Juice Back, his first movie, and one

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Speaker 2: day he gets an article. He reads the daily news

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Speaker 2: because he got the newspaper every day.

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Speaker 1: Give me the year. This is ninety, This is ninety.

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Speaker 2: And he's reading the New York Daily News because his

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Speaker 2: So Pa brings him the newspaper and there's a there's

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Speaker 2: an article Cries in the Night, Cries in the dark,

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Speaker 2: and he reads it and it's about a twelve year

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Speaker 2: It was disposal day, so it is the day the

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Speaker 2: to the hospital. And Tubac reads this article about this

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Speaker 2: and he says to Omar EPs, holy shit, his coach star,

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Speaker 2: alone for a little bit. Comes back out truly on

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Speaker 2: a great, great genealogist named Michelle Sooley, where I actually

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Speaker 2: graduated high school with Weirdly, and I said to her,

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Speaker 2: it would be amazing, amazing if we could find the

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Speaker 2: a few days, and she gives me one day. She's like,

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Speaker 2: most disturbingly clumsy text ever, which is basically which is basically, hey,

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Speaker 2: my name is Jeff Pearlman. I'm writing a book about Tupac.

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Speaker 2: By any chance, is this you? And I've sent the

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Speaker 2: article attached to a text.

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Speaker 1: But he at this time he has no idea.

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Speaker 3: This is no well a little bit, a little bit,

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Speaker 3: so now you want to chuse me? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: You would know?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, So I sent him a text and

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Speaker 2: that inspired the song Brandon's Got a Baby, And that

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Speaker 2: is how I lead off the book, this story Dave,

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Speaker 2: and he's one of the best people you will ever meet.

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Speaker 1: I felt when he came in when he said, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to smoke with you. We're gonna do that, but

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Speaker 1: tell me. I mean, obviously you were telling me a

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Speaker 1: because again I'm a huge Tupac fan, and obviously that

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Speaker 4: You know, who would have thought, you know, a ninety

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Speaker 4: As soon as I did the ancestry test, I reached

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Speaker 3: Why I do this? So you do that?

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Speaker 4: You know after you know, I had lost my parents

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Speaker 4: ten months apart. And you know, when things like that happened,

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Speaker 3: Uh, South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: It's telling me to showing me the newspaper clips of

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Speaker 4: back in the day and was telling me about what happened, and.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even kind of followed. You were able to

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Speaker 3: They it was, it was it would have been hard

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Speaker 4: Uh, to be honest with you, my last name changed

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Speaker 1: Well back up a little bit, because you were adopted

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Speaker 1: at how old newborn?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when my mom when they found uh me, uh

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Speaker 3: My mom actually went to school.

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Speaker 4: Uh the song of what Tupac said for her going

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Speaker 4: Uh, due to the magnitude of the situation, they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: No, I was probabably first second grade.

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Speaker 1: Is your birth mom's name Brenda?

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Speaker 1: Okay? What's her? Could we say her real name? Or

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Speaker 1: and then adoptive mom and dad as well.

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Speaker 3: Right, I refer to Brenda as Brenda. I don't want to.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't want to be on this and I respect

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Speaker 4: her to the respect her wish.

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Speaker 4: Uh so, Uh, me and Brenda had a close I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't say a close relationship.

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Speaker 3: We was on vegetation rights.

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Speaker 4: For around until I was about first second grade, so

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Speaker 4: My mom also adopted other children as well, so you know,

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Speaker 4: my mom is a very big family woman. You know,

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Speaker 1: Understanding, you know, once you did the ancestry test and

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Speaker 1: and all these things kind of start happening, and you

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to the song with the new ear.

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Speaker 1: What was your first thought when you heard Brenda had

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I cried, man.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was on the phone with my best friends,

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Speaker 4: So I start replaying the conversations that me and my

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Speaker 4: was raped in anything. She was just like there. You know,

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Speaker 4: your mom was very young. Something had happened and she

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Speaker 4: had to give you up.

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Speaker 1: For Have anyone from Park's side, family or a state

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Speaker 1: or anyone reached out. Have you met anyone on that side?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think they would know about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really because I didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 4: just like I said, you know, I've lived thirty two

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Speaker 4: whole life, you know what I'm saying, you know, and

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Speaker 4: and now listening to it in this light, it is something.

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Speaker 3: It's something different.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to hold you that you're a Biggie

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Speaker 3: You know, from Brooklyn. So I will always be you know,

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Speaker 3: Biggie will always be number one from New York. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's a Brooklyn thing.

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Speaker 1: You told me. You told me something interesting though about

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Speaker 1: Brownsville and and and once you started meeting your family

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Speaker 1: and how Mike Tyson taught your family had a box

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Speaker 1: like like you kind of started learning about the family

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Speaker 1: and that that dynamic absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So you know everybody knows bo the boxer from back

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Speaker 4: in the day. He's from the same projects there as

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Speaker 4: my family read it both. He never left the apartment,

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Speaker 4: stayed in the apartment career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, you can check it out the plazas in Brownsville.

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Speaker 4: And these are stories that I'm listening to my family

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Speaker 4: members that are there telling me what's going on. Mike

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Speaker 4: Tyson didn't live that too far away from us, and

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Speaker 3: Everybody kind of know each other.

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Speaker 4: And Mike Tyson always been big in the community, helping

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Speaker 4: The man talked to us about that, Michelle. You know,

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Speaker 1: What's that first experience?

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Speaker 4: I won't take anything from it or I want, you know,

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Speaker 1: Right, Jeff, you said the Paka State would obviously love

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Speaker 2: I was doing my own thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been the hardest just being blunt and obvious.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware of the weirdness of that, but I you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my producers. How do you feel like?

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Speaker 1: I don't really mean he's you know, he's a great

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent get it, one hundred percent get it,

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Speaker 2: And I think like the approach I took, and the

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Speaker 2: You certainly don't need white sports writer to explain to you, well,

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Speaker 2: here's a Tupac thought about this and that. So what

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Speaker 1: Were you a Pock fan going into this?

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Speaker 1: So what was it? This is almost probably like a

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Speaker 2: First of all, right, here is the highlight of my career.

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Speaker 1: To understand, put yourself in our place.

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Speaker 2: Go to the rowhouse in Baltimore he grew up, and

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Speaker 2: everything's great and haha, but when you see it and

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Speaker 2: Like again, you don't need me to tell you things

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Speaker 2: But I feel like the people in the book explaining

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Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to either, you guys get

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Speaker 1: he didn't, did you. My girl surprised me for my birthday,

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Speaker 1: question the probably the most intriguing person you sat down

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Speaker 2: All right, the most intriguing besides Dave on we Tupac

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Speaker 3: She goes.

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Speaker 2: My mom recently found one hundred and fifty letters that

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Speaker 2: Tupac wrote me under the bed. If you come out

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm like, I will.

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Speaker 2: Be there tomorrow. I fly out to the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Nebraska e't the worst big I've ever had thing Mike

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Speaker 1: But it spelled it out so well. His writing was

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Speaker 2: Sixteen year old pock Tupac and he was a better

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: I drove down to New Orleans and I sat down

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Speaker 1: Set does not talk, and that's big sister, no little sister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he only has one sister, yeah, and and that's

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Speaker 1: So Davon, I mean, this book drops in a week.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna change your life again. What do you thought?

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about kind of what's coming ahead? Because

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Speaker 3: It's you.

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Speaker 1: You're a thirty three year old man living your life.

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Speaker 1: Now have you kind of thought about what's on the

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Speaker 3: No, to be honest with you, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: the listening off the song, you know, and still breaking

439
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Speaker 4: down the different dialects and stuff that he says in

440
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Speaker 4: the songs that now I'm listening to the real stories,

441
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 4: you know, mapping that out. I haven't, no, I haven't

442
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 4: thought about what this could do or what this will do.

443
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm an average guy from Las Vegas, you

444
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Speaker 4: know that now lives in Las Vegas, and you know,

445
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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what what the journey brings.

446
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Speaker 2: You're thrilled to come here, you know, I.

447
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Speaker 3: Said, Matt Barnes and Stevens, what you talk about? He said,

448
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Speaker 3: do you know all the smokes? I said, do I

449
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Speaker 3: not know?

450
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Speaker 1: Jeff? Obviously a Foene passed not too long ago. Through

451
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: the talkings of you know, the people you spoke to,

452
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: What did you learn about her and her in Pok's relationship.

453
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Speaker 2: First of all, I honestly think everybody it is a

454
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: crime that more people in America don't know about the

455
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Speaker 2: Panther twenty one trial, don't know about Ifenny shit court.

456
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Speaker 2: I've been saying this all long throughout this process. I

457
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like to be a black kid

458
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Speaker 2: in America. But if you're a white kid in America

459
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: and you go to mostly white high school. They take

460
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: one day in history to teach about civil rights, and

461
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 2: it'll say Martin Luther King had a dream and we

462
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: should all have a dream too. Next now we're moving on,

463
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, like it's the biggest garbage. And like her

464
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: role with the Panthers, she was twenty one years old,

465
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Speaker 2: pregnant with Tupac, on trial, facing a lifetime in presenting herself,

466
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: she turned down a quarter pointed attorney to represent herself.

467
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: She's going back and forth to every day moult nurse

468
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: being treated like shit by the guards, and she wins.

469
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: And to me, she is a historic figure who nodded up.

470
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: There's a movie to be made about a Fenni Shakur

471
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Speaker 2: And I would say her laser with Tupac, it was complicated.

472
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: She was his hero. He would brag to everyone. My

473
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: mom was a black panther, my mom, panther, twenty one,

474
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Speaker 2: my mom. And at the same time she was a

475
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Speaker 2: crack addict who is unavailable and really struggled. And I

476
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: think Dear Mama obviously is one of his two or

477
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: three most famous songs, But as Jasmine Foolish said to me,

478
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit aspirational like it's not just this

479
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: is who my mom is, but also this is who

480
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Speaker 2: I want want to be. So I think that kind

481
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Speaker 2: of is it?

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, you wrote award winning sports pieces, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: Bo Jacks and Walter Payton, a handful of the bad boys,

484
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Speaker 1: Like what drew you to Tupac?

485
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Speaker 2: I just think he's a culturally uber significant artist who

486
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: never had Like there are great biographies about John F.

487
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: Kennedy and MLK and Marilyn and a million different but

488
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: I never felt there was the definitive understand this guy's

489
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: life and full and also I want to take the

490
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Speaker 2: journey like I wanted to understand Tupac's life.

491
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Speaker 1: So so three years and six hundred interviews later, we're here.

492
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Speaker 2: The book exists.

493
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to to jump on.

494
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Speaker 2: It is definitely the best Tupac book ever written by

495
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Speaker 2: a Jewish sports writer.

496
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Speaker 1: Is it the only one? But I know I'm definitely

497
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Speaker 1: looking for this.

498
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Speaker 4: I'll say one thing, Jeffers Jeffer, jeff is definitely a

499
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: genuine reporter. He you know, in the old school movies

500
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Speaker 4: you watch the reporters, the one that makes the phone calls,

501
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 4: the one that doesn't try to, you know, get you

502
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Speaker 4: by any means they actually genuinely, passionately want to understand.

503
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Speaker 3: Jeff is one of those people.

504
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 4: And when I sat down and you know, the first

505
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Speaker 4: question we you know that came up.

506
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Speaker 3: You know what it is a.

507
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Speaker 4: White guy writing a book about Tupac and you're telling

508
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Speaker 4: me something that you know. Yeah, family is now telling me.

509
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: But I'm still like in shock, this book is done.

510
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: The right way.

511
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Speaker 1: Jeff, what did you learn about yourself writing this?

512
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: I think I learned how much I didn't know, Like

513
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: I really mean that. I'm not even that's not like

514
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Speaker 2: that sounds like something.

515
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: Like that's not about just overall, Yeah, but it is.

516
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: It's kind of both. Like I just think, honestly, God Like,

517
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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of people. I think

518
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of white people in America who

519
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: like they feel like they understand black culture because they

520
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: listen to hip hop and their favorite actor is Denzel

521
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: Washington and blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and until

522
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: you immerse yourself in it, I'm not saying I have

523
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Speaker 2: a full understanding, obviously can't. But immersing myself in it

524
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Speaker 2: gave me a PhD level of sort of education at

525
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Speaker 2: least at least on what it was to be.

526
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Speaker 1: You know, you're definitely invited to the barbecue now.

527
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Speaker 2: I think, thank you because my mom my mom puts

528
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Speaker 2: raisins in the potato South.

529
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Speaker 3: Oh no, you can't come there. You gotta lean that out. Yeah,

530
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: we got I've read the reasons.

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Speaker 1: Dave Love. We appreciate you, man. Your journey's incredible. We're

532
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: definitely going to continue to check on you and have

533
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: you back out and have you come do some stuff

534
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: with us. Man. But it was an absolute pleasure to

535
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Speaker 1: meet you, Jeff.

536
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Speaker 4: If you guys want to check me out, I'm on Instagram, TikTok,

537
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: my name Davon Hodge, d A v O N N

538
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Speaker 4: h O d G E brand new to TikTok, brand

539
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Speaker 4: new Ticto and Instagram.

540
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Speaker 1: Get ready, man. I think obviously, once this story really

541
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: hits like it's supposed to you, it's going to be

542
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: a whirl winning man. And you know, I asked you

543
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Speaker 1: how you know, I briefly share with you. I just

544
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Speaker 1: found out I had an older brother after forty two years,

545
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: and like, although there's love, like we just missed so

546
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: much time. We kind of check in from here to

547
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: there and I asked you, like, how do you how

548
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Speaker 1: do you deal with all this? And if you don't

549
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: mind sharing, tell tell me what you told me. Smoking

550
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and working Now, that's it, you know, that's life.

551
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: Taking it one step at a time, not rushing into anything,

552
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Speaker 4: just letting it naturally occur occur.

553
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Speaker 1: Uh.

554
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Speaker 3: You know, it's still an eye opener.

555
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Speaker 4: For me to be honest with you, even I'm pretty

556
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: sure for you understanding that you know, you got a brother,

557
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 4: you know, and you're.

558
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Speaker 3: Like, wait, hold on, what happened exactly? You know? This

559
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: is it something that I missed obviously?

560
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Speaker 1: So we sat down for the first time. He was

561
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Speaker 1: on all No, yeah, we had him at a NBA

562
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Speaker 1: All Star last year.

563
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Speaker 3: I bet he was good, right.

564
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Speaker 1: He was good. But you know what's interesting is when

565
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Speaker 1: you hear, like when you hear about players in their

566
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: primer early on, and then you get a chance to

567
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: meet him after, you're like, damn, because it's weird, because

568
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Speaker 1: I feel like when I tell people like who my

569
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Speaker 1: dad is now or who my dad was and who

570
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Speaker 1: he is now, like yeah, right, no, he wasn't and

571
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: people like don't believe me. But I kind of feel

572
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Speaker 1: like when I hear certain athletes are a certain way,

573
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Speaker 1: and then you meet him at the end, it's just like, damn,

574
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Speaker 1: you're nothing like I heard you were.

575
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Speaker 2: Do you know you're baseball of a huge base No,

576
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Speaker 2: Sean Green.

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

578
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: So Shann's a good friend of mine, Okay, And he

579
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: said to me weirding lunch time. He's like, you know,

580
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Speaker 2: we're always nicer after it done. He's like all athletes

581
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: and this year, like athletes are just after they retire.

582
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: And that's how he explained Bonds, because Bonds was the

583
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Speaker 2: worse when you're not even so bad.

584
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Speaker 1: How when when you're doing that, I mean, you've Barry Bonds,

585
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Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, Walter Payton, Bo Jackson. Are

586
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: you working alongside any of them about this? Do you

587
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: check it with them at all? Or you just kind

588
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: of go and find their circle and dig into that.

589
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: Well, I always try to talk to them, Okay. So,

590
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: like I did a book about the eighty six Mets.

591
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: I interviewed most of those guys. I did the showtime

592
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Speaker 2: Lakers that became winning Time.

593
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Speaker 1: That was amazing. I want to talk about that, but

594
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: keep that thought but back to kind of how Yeah, so.

595
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm like, so I try to and Bonds like

596
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Speaker 2: Bond is one of the weirdest experiences in my life.

597
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Speaker 2: So actually, Bonds and Brett fav are tied for weirdest.

598
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Speaker 2: All right, Bonds he was always tough. I was a

599
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: baseball writer for Sports Illustrated as I was working on

600
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: that book, and Bonds was a standoffish tiptoe up to

601
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Speaker 2: his locker.

602
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Speaker 1: You know.

603
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure played with guys like that who people are

604
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Speaker 2: just like. So I finally at the end, I have

605
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Speaker 2: all my research done and I walk up to Barry

606
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Speaker 2: bonds as locker and I'm like, hey, Barry, I'm Jeff Peerlan.

607
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Speaker 2: I'm the guy working this book. This is uh oh fourish,

608
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: so he's still active. He's with the Giants three maybe

609
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: hey blah blah blah blah. He goes, and I was shocked.

610
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: He turns around. He goes, hey, man, it's all good.

611
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: He shakes my hand. He goes, I'm not going to

612
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: talk to you, but it's okay, okay. He gets up

613
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Speaker 2: and I go, and that's as nice as he could

614
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: possibly be because he was tough. He gets up and

615
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: he's starting to walk away, and he goes and I go,

616
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Speaker 2: I even interviewed your cub Scout den mother Marlene Rossi.

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Speaker 3: Man.

618
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: I talked to Marlene Rossi and he goes, dude, I

619
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Speaker 2: was never even in the cub Scouts. And I literally

620
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Speaker 2: have his cub stout photo of him in it. He's like,

621
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Speaker 2: and that's how he did with us. He was just like,

622
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Speaker 2: I think he enjoyed us having these nightmares with him.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say, Brett farre I talked

624
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: to everyone in Farest family, like everyone, mom, sister, brothers,

625
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: And one day I called his sister Brandy. I reached

626
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: out her on Facebook and I was like, hey, I'm

627
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: working this Brett fire By, a book about your brother.

628
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: She goes, well, when if you come down to Mississippi,

629
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Speaker 2: hit me up. I go down to Mississippi. I call

630
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: her and she's like, why don't you just come to

631
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: the house. My mom will be there, and Brett is

632
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Speaker 2: not talking to me.

633
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: For the book.

634
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, this isn't gonna go well. I go

635
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: to the house, Mom, Benita, sister Brandy greet me. Mom goes,

636
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: so is Brett talking to you? And I'm like I

637
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: don't think so. And I'm like waiting. She goes, all right, well,

638
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: come on in. And two hours of interview and then

639
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: she sends me home with his scrap books. She literally says,

640
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: just take the scrap books. You can send them back

641
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: to me whenever. So I never talked to Brett Fire,

642
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: but in my house I had bred Fire's scrap books.

643
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: Whow she just never knows.

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Speaker 1: Super weird Showtime Lakers obviously turned into Winning Time, and

645
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: I really liked, like, why did I only get one season?

646
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: Two seasons?

647
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Why did I only get two seasons?

648
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: So, as far as I understand, it was as expensive

649
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: to make as Game of Thrones, but didn't have Game

650
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: of Thrones ratings. It was well, it had good ratings,

651
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: but not amazing ratings. You don't put my kids through college.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: It was a very great experience for me. I had

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Speaker 2: cameos in it.

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Speaker 1: And someone also said that it came at a weird

656
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Speaker 1: time with the strike and right after COVID. Yeah, thing,

657
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Speaker 1: so that may have played a little.

658
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Speaker 2: It was insanely expensive at a time when HbA was

659
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: cutting back. It cut my heart out that the season

660
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: ends with the Boston Celtics winning, like that's how it ended.

661
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: The Celtics win, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what the yeah, what was that? Like though,

663
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Speaker 1: I mean you had a lot of great actors in it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that that was dope.

665
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Speaker 2: The probably the biggest career throw of my life was

666
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Speaker 2: they had a premiere a premiere party. I'm just a writer,

667
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm just a schlove writer, you know, And they

668
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Speaker 2: had a premiere party at a movie theater, an old

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Speaker 2: movie theater in la I forgot which one, and my

670
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 2: wife is out of town, but my kids were with

671
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: me and they call and they're like, we're going to

672
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: send a car for you. And I tell my kids, like,

673
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Speaker 2: they're gonna send a car.

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Speaker 3: We get off.

675
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Speaker 2: There's a red carpet, mister Pearlman. We want you to

676
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Speaker 2: walk down the red carpet. Dad, they want you to

677
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Speaker 2: walk down the red carpet. And it's this whole thing

678
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: and all the stars are like, hey, Jeff, blah blah blah.

679
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: And there was a moment when Adam McKay is on

680
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: the stage, the creator of it all, and my kids

681
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: are sitting next to me and all these actors around

682
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: me and all these people, and he goes, Jeff Pearlman,

683
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: stand up, and I stand up, and he goes, Jeff

684
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Speaker 2: Pearlman is one of the great sports writers of all time,

685
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: and none of this would have happened without him. Almost

686
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: none of that is true. I do not consider by

687
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Speaker 2: someone of the great arguments, but like my kids sitting

688
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: next to or how that happened, Yeah, is maybe.

689
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Speaker 1: The greatest moment of my life. I love that you

690
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: got to do, Shaq, Kobe and Phil, Yeah, talk to

691
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Speaker 1: us about that. I mean, you know Shaq, I know

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Speaker 1: both actually yeah, no, all three.

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Speaker 2: I would say, first of all, Shaq was awesome. I

694
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: didn't get to Kobe would not talk. Shaq was amazing.

695
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: And I would say, like the book came out after

696
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Kobe died, it was done before Kobe died, came out

697
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: after Kobe died, and the book is not it's not

698
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: incredibly kind to Kobe. And I remember sitting with Shaq,

699
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: and one thing I said to Shaq was, this is

700
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: before Kobe died. I said. One thing that always seemed

701
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Speaker 2: weird to me is like you always had nicknames for yourself, right,

702
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: Big Aristotle, Shack, Diesel, Superman. But it was always like

703
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: with like a wink, like Shack always seemed like he

704
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: was in on the joke. And Kobe nicknamed himself Black Mamba,

705
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: and actually thought of himself as like literally the black.

706
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Speaker 1: Mom gave hisself that nickname. Yeah, I didn't know that.

707
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: And Shack goes to me in the deep voice. He goes, bro,

708
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: now you know what I was dealing with. And then

709
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: I went to Montana to see Phil Jackson. And the

710
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: only reason Phil talk to me is because Genie put

711
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: no word for me. And I show up and we

712
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: needed a cafe and I go, man, thank you so much.

713
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: You have sandals on?

714
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: He did have santos on. Holy cow, he did have

715
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: sand Yeah. He goes, I'm not doing this for you.

716
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm doing this for Genie. And I'm like, fuck, this

717
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: isn't going to be good. I thought I get an hour.

718
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: He's like, why don't we take a tour around the lake.

719
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: He drives me around a lake for three hours. Let's

720
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: stop for lunch here. You want to come back to

721
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: my house hanging out up for you gave me eight hours?

722
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Speaker 1: Wow?

723
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Speaker 2: And he was awesome. It was like win. There's like

724
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: some like heads fun douchebag wins the like spend a

725
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: day with Phil Jackson trip. That's literally what I got.

726
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Speaker 1: Amazing sweetness, Walter Payton.

727
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Speaker 2: I mean, I love Walter Payton. Yes, hard book to

728
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: write was very hard first off. So I interviewed Walter

729
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: Payton one time. I was a very young writer at

730
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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated.

731
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Speaker 1: He passed the what age early, like forty six.

732
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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine. Man, yeah, a bioduct cancer. And I

733
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: was a writer at Sports Illustrated, young writer at Sports Illustration.

734
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Speaker 2: One day an editor said to me, do you have

735
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Speaker 2: any interest in going to meet Walter Payton and talking

736
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Speaker 2: to him? And he was dying at this point, but

737
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Speaker 2: he was trying to raise money for a charity. And

738
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Speaker 2: I said yeah, And I flew out to Illinois and

739
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Speaker 2: I'm in an office and this old man greets me,

740
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: old black man wearing like a taxi driver cap and

741
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Speaker 2: a windbreaker. And I was about to say, I'm looking

742
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: for Walter Payton. And it was Walter Payton and he

743
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: was that decimated. And I sat across from him and

744
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: his eyes were yellow and from jaundice. And it still

745
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: remains the saddest interview I've ever done in my life.

746
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: But it inspired me to write that book and crazy Life, Yeah,

747
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: fascinating life.

748
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Speaker 1: And you did Bo Jackson too, right, Yeah, Well, he's

749
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Speaker 1: one of my he's my hero.

750
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Speaker 2: Have you met Bo Jackson?

751
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Never got a chance to. I remember him from what Superstar?

752
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: What was the cartoon? He was a superstar? Michael Jordan's Yeah.

753
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: None of them voice themselves in that yeah cartoon. He's

754
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: a tough guy, Bo Jacksley, he's he's he's an he's

755
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: a prickly guy. And you know he ran a four

756
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Speaker 2: to one three forty.

757
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Speaker 1: He's incredibly the greatest athlete of all in my opinions,

758
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't even think there's a question about it.

759
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: Runs a four one three forty at college, signs with

760
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: the Raiders. Tom Flores is a coach of the Raiders,

761
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: asked Bo Jackson to run a forty on grass. Doesn't

762
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Speaker 2: in a four one nine. They don't believe it's accurate.

763
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 2: They remeasure it, and he runs a four to one seven,

764
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: which is think about Tyree Hill doesn't run thirty two

765
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Speaker 2: twenty at that point, man.

766
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Speaker 1: He could have been one of the greatest football players

767
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Speaker 1: of all time.

768
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Speaker 2: The funny thing is, I'll tell you one thing interesting.

769
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Speaker 2: He You probably remember this from being a kid. He

770
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Speaker 2: let off the All Star Game and seven run. Okay,

771
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: crazy story about this. He leaves off the game with

772
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Speaker 2: the home run. Nike is planning this enormous rollout of

773
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Speaker 2: bo Knows for the All Star Game, and the stadium

774
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: was papered with bonos bonos, and they're going to have

775
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: this commercial air I think two innings after he leads off,

776
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: but they have no idea how this is going to go.

777
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: So all the Nike executives are sitting together and Mickey

778
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: Manto's restaurant in New York City watching the game. Bo

779
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: Jackson leads off with a homer, not just a home run,

780
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: like a perfect home run dead center field. The guy

781
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: runs on the black, he finds the ball, he builds

782
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: it up. Bo Jackson, he looks like a god running

783
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: around the basis, and the Nike executives are screaming and

784
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: cheering in Mickey Manos restaurant. Ever, one's like, what the

785
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with these people? And they're just going crazy.

786
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: And that was the most serendipitous advertising moment ever.

787
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Speaker 1: I want to say, both are Wade bogs bat a secondly?

788
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: And what did Wade Box do you at home run?

789
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Speaker 2: He sure did.

790
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Speaker 1: Back wait, Tony.

791
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: LaRussa came up to them, he was the manager. He

792
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: comes up to them the day before the game because

793
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: Bogs would usually lead off in that sense, and he goes, wait,

794
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to have bo lead off just for the effect.

795
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: And it's the icon. Who is pitching? Do you remember?

796
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Speaker 1: I don't remember.

797
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: There's Rick Rushall who's forty years old and built like

798
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Speaker 2: a beanbag, and he threw this like the allience.

799
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Speaker 1: Yeah it was eighty seven. Yeah, your baseball was seven

800
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: years old.

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, you remember it.

802
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: But I remember the back to back because we went

803
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: outside and played baseball after.

804
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: And Vin Scully and Ronald Reagan were in the booth

805
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: calling it.

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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, yeah, hostly yeah yeah, yeahah yeah. Uh tell

807
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: us about your YouTube page.

808
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: So I have a thing called press Box Chronicles. It's

809
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: a show. I do it every week. It's just a

810
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: dive back into obscure, random like sports topics in the past.

811
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Speaker 2: I didn't think anyone would care. Somehow people want to

812
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: do I know, I don't even know what is it? Sports?

813
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: Just people like sports stories.

814
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: Would you say, well, I mean, I just think from

815
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: your I mean, you know, we interviewed everyone under the Sun,

816
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite interviews is Jim Gray, and

817
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: I think because you guys have been entrenched in it

818
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: for so long, and you have the good, the bad,

819
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: the in between. You just have so much information that

820
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: just hearing you speak is like, oh shit, like you

821
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: feel like you learned something. So that's probably why people

822
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: are interested.

823
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, we're like paid not

824
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: just to be there, but to record it and observe it.

825
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: So I would probably remember some of your games better

826
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: than you would because I literally am keeping it, rotating it.

827
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been cool. It's been great.

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00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Real quick, before we get out of here. Pot you

829
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: interviewed the EMT at the Quad City shooting and they

830
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: said Poc shot hisself. Was he trying to pull his

831
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: gun out? I was guessing.

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00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: So basically.

833
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Nobody had interviewed this guy ever ever. Literally I called

834
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: him and he's like, nobody's it's weird you're calling me.

835
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: Nobody's ever called me, and I've always had this thing

836
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: in my head. Basically, two had the gun in the

837
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: waistband and I interviewed his his manager Watani, who said

838
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: the gun he out the glockiad was easily dischargeable if

839
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: not him correctly when the guy got up. So basically

840
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Tupac went upstairs and the EMT goes up to see

841
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: him and Tubacs there. He said, I got shot in

842
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: the box. He didn'ty shot himself. He never had, and

843
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: the MT remembered that there was no entrance to the

844
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Speaker 2: there's no entrance tear through the jeans or.

845
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Through the under deals underneath his waistband.

846
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: So he had in his waistband went in. The ball

847
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: then embedded in his leg.

848
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: So he was getting shot at trying to pull the

849
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: gun out and excellently shot itself correct. He also was

850
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: shot once in the head and a crowd is how

851
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: many time to get shot was three and.

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00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: One in the hand. The other thing I'll tell you

853
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: that was crazy. Tupac's mom is from Lumberton, North Carolina,

854
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: and I went there because I want to see where

855
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: she was from. And she bought a house years later,

856
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: like maybe twenty tenish in Lumberton, her hometown, and she

857
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: built this. She built a house on this property. And

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00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I found the guy who takes care of it, and

859
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: he said, do you want to the estate owns it now?

860
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: The way he's ever bought this house. Do you want

861
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: to take a tour of the house now? If you're

862
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: working on a Tupac book, and someone says, do you

863
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: want to take a tour of a Feniship Court's house?

864
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: You always say yes.

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Speaker 3: Right.

866
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: He goes, do you want to see you where Tupac's

867
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: grave is. I'm like, I'm literally I don't even know

868
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: what that means, because he was his ashes Malibu. He goes, no,

869
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: she buried some of his ashes here. I'm like, what

870
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: he's like? Come with me. Literally, on an abandoned lot

871
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: in Lumberton, North Carolina, is Twupox the Court's grave. There's

872
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: a tombstone, a thing over it. I don't know what

873
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: you call that, and there it is. So I was

874
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: literally standing above incredible.

875
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Because I want to say, one of the Hughes brothers

876
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: told us the story about how some of it was

877
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: let go in Malibu in the ocean. Yeah, and so

878
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: that wasn't all of it though, Yeah, some of the ashes.

879
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: And also some of the outlaws have said they smoked

880
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: his ashes, but nobody believes that. So would you really

881
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: want to you know, is that really? I don't know?

882
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: I smoking the.

883
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: Whole Would you smoke ashes?

884
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: Would you smell?

885
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: Probably? Would? That's what these That's what these whys are

886
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: talking about. But I'm cool I'm a little too old.

887
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put in my will.

888
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: Matt Barn, what's your message to young authors writing these

889
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: type of books, from athletes to historical figures. What is

890
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: your one message to them?

891
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: Call everybody, Call absolutely everybody. Like if I were doing

892
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 2: a book about you, right let's star, I was writing

893
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: a Matt Barn. There are obvious teammates to talk to,

894
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: but every ball boy was there, every team official was there,

895
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: The Laker girls were there. When you're with Lakers, you

896
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: know like everyone, and you just cat. This is why

897
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: I always say I'm being serious about this. You may

898
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: not remember the guy who is in training camp with you,

899
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: who played basketball old Dominion and he was in camp

900
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: for three weeks. You may not remember that guy, but

901
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna remember being in camp because that was the

902
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: greatest moment of his life. So he's gonna have memories

903
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't have.

904
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it, man, Jeff. We appreciate you. Only guy

905
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: can judge me. Many Lives of Tupac comes out October

906
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: twenty first. You can pre order it now. Jeff. It

907
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: was wunder Man. Yeah, thank you for coming out.

908
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

909
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Prowlman. The NBA season starts next week, and the

910
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: producers came up with five big topics heading into this season. Obviously,

911
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't be right if we didn't start with Lebron. First off,

912
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it was announced recently that he has a sciatica issue

913
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: and he will be out the first four weeks of

914
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: the season. This is your twenty three King. James will

915
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: be forty one in December, and I think the question

916
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: everyone is asking, is this the last season? Very interesting?

917
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I think Lebron is gonna want to go out on

918
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: his own terms. But what's made him great obviously is

919
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: his ability to stay healthy, and there's no running away

920
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: from father time. All the greats have eventually broke down,

921
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: and hopefully this is just a situation they get control.

922
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: But will this be his last year? The Lakers kind

923
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: of handed the keys to Luca this offseason while he

924
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: got hisself in shape, and now Brown will start the

925
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: season on the sideline. I don't know if it will

926
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: be his last season. I think it's safer to say

927
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: that it's most like his last season with the Lakers.

928
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's his last season in basketball. Obviously,

929
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: he has bryce over in Arizona, and I would think

930
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: that he probably wanted to play, you know, play with

931
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: him as well. So we'll see if that comes to fruition.

932
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: Last year with Luca, the Lakers are eighteen or eighteen

933
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: and ten. Luca averaged thirty four almost thirty five a game,

934
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: eight and eight fifty wins last year for JJ in

935
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: his first season. It's gonna be interesting seeing this is

936
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: a very young Western conference. We all know that year

937
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: twenty three for Bron, so you know, hopefully he gets

938
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: healthy and we can see what the Lakers can do.

939
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: I think they're more of a bottom of the playoffs

940
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: slash play in. I think they're around the six seven

941
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: to eight range, and that's no knock on the image.

942
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I just think it's more of a tribute of how

943
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: strong the Western conferences and how young and youthful the

944
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Western conferences. So will it be Lebron's last year. I

945
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: can't say anything wild like that because I don't know,

946
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: But we'll have to see. Producer Nate Good good question.

947
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Lebron starts off on the side, and the Lakers get

948
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: off to a hot start, and Luca's playing Luca ball

949
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: and the team's gelling. I wonder what that transition is like.

950
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to kind of ask a superstar what

951
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: it's like to kind of hand the keys to someone

952
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: else later in his career, whether it be willingly or

953
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: or or kind of just happens, you know. That's what

954
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: they wanted to do. With Ad it didn't really happen,

955
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: but I feel like with Luca, this is something that

956
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: can happen. So it'll be interesting to see if Laser's

957
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: experience some success out the gate and have great chemistry

958
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: without Braun, how that will affect his mental and how

959
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: it will affect him when he comes back to the team.

960
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: Next up, Cooper flags expectations. He got a chance to

961
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: start at point guard the other night. At six' ten

962
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: is That i'll. Tall he is six' nine six Ten

963
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: and i've been a huge Fan Of cooper flag since

964
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: we've been talking. ABOUT him i got a chance to

965
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: see him PLAY in au and, to me the one

966
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: thing that impressed me the most about him And aj

967
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: debansa who's at byu wiould most likely be a top

968
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: two pick, next year is His MOTOR and, i, think obviously,

969
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you know being, so young there's a lot of game to.

970
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Work ON but i think on the, DEFENSIVE end i

971
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: think he's going to be AN all nba. Defensive performer

972
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: on the, OFFENSIVE end i think his game is definitely.

973
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: Coming along and if you could put a kid six'

974
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: nine six' ten at the point and him being able

975
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: to distribute the ball, and run a team that is.

976
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: GOING to be scary i Don't know What made god

977
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: bless patrick dumont in that ownership after the Bullshit, They

978
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: pulled with LUCA but somehow them nba lottery balls work

979
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: their magic again to be able to have one of

980
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: THE craziest trades in nba history and get rid of

981
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: A franchise player like luca and then get the number

982
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: one pick in the lottery and be Able to. Grab

983
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: A cooper flag the lord is Definitely watching. Over that

984
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: mavericks ownership their whole job is just not. To fuck

985
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: it up kyrie's Timetable To, return Somewhere. January february possibly

986
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: march he's recovering From A. Torn acl anthony davis he

987
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: is going to be the. Key to this team he

988
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: only played. Nine games last year he was at. Twenty

989
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: ten and four he's coming. Back with, the, cream look now.

990
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: Right he's wearing goggles he announce he's wearing goggles. Rest

991
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: Of his, Career anthony davis alsander so we'll see how.

992
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: He LOOKS this season but i REALLY like this team,

993
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: i Thought initially obviously, trading LUCA is crazy but I

994
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: felt like the dallas was the most ready to. Capitalize, on,

995
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: that trade obvious see you know, they were injury ridden

996
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: but if they can come back healthy this, year With You,

997
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: Know The, cooper flags klay thompson he had, A Hot,

998
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: Boys Summer, pj washington, derek lively the guy A Big.

999
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Fan OF jason kidds So i really like dallas to

1000
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: be a top Three Team in the. Western Conference This

1001
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: year if anthony davis can. Stay on the court so

1002
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: this is the team. To Watch. OUT for cooper flag

1003
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: i think the sky's. A liver for him look for

1004
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Him To. Be an all star i'll probably say within.

1005
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: The FIRST Three Years definitely nba all defense in the,

1006
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: same amount of time and really excited to see how

1007
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: talented and where this. Kid can, take it Another storyline

1008
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: can the warriors be Favorites In? A stacked western conference

1009
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: they can, definitely NOT be favorites But i definitely think they're.

1010
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Still in the mix the One THING about the warriors

1011
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: i feel like is they just have a lot of,

1012
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: miles on their body particularly their their Their core Guys.

1013
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: And steph and draymond steph, Is entering your seventeen draymond,

1014
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Is Entering your fourteen jimmy. Butler's Entering your fifteen the

1015
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: west is a very Young conference With the okc's WITH,

1016
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: houston obviously adding kd but it's still. A Very. YOUNG

1017
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: team The minnesota's i think denver had. A Really good

1018
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: year is kawhi going to be healthy enough? To Contribute

1019
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: This year but golden state was twenty two And five

1020
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: With both jimmy and, steph on the court they won

1021
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: eighteen out of. NINETEEN at one point i think a

1022
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: big key to this team is going To Be whatever

1023
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: issue Steve. Kerr has with kaminga he's gotta let that

1024
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: shit go because They're definitely. GONNA need kaminga scoring i

1025
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: think he averaged what fifteen last. Year in minimum minutes,

1026
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: On the flip side kaminga's gonna have. TO lock in

1027
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: mentally i REMEMBER going To who i think draymond's wedding and,

1028
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: THEY were telling us i don't. REMEMBER who it was i.

1029
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: DON'T even want to i WILL tell, you IF i remember.

1030
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: But i don't remember we were smoking a lot of.

1031
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Weed at that wedding someone was Telling Me how, good

1032
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: jonathan kaminga is but he's just it's not he has.

1033
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Issues between, his ears super talented but between his ears.

1034
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Was THE biggest issue and i think you See Probably

1035
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: that's what steve kerr has. Such AN issue with But

1036
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: i think with steph being as, old as he is

1037
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: let's not forget he pulled the hammy. And in the

1038
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: playoffs it's gonna take An incredible year from steph to

1039
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: get this team where, they need to go A big Year,

1040
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: from JIMMY and Dre but i think kaminga and some

1041
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: of these younger guys are gonna have to be able

1042
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: to have the freedom to step up this year to

1043
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: be competitive And hopefully stay save steph legs if they

1044
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: are able, to make the playoffs to be able to

1045
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: make a. Move in the playoffs so very interesting season

1046
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: in a Very top heavy young western Conference where this older.

1047
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Warrior team fits in but you never want, to count

1048
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: out champions so we will. See Where They land the eastern.

1049
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Conference is. Some shit this year i'm not even. Gonna,

1050
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: lie to You Obviously, the Devastated Boston, celtics Losing Jason,

1051
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: tatum Losing, al Horford. Losing porzingis losing holiday it'll be

1052
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: interesting Season To see what jaylen brown is able to.

1053
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Do With His, guys the cleveland cavaliers they're always. A,

1054
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: mystery to Me Obviously. They added lonzo ball i'm hoping

1055
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: he can put a Healthy season together because i've always

1056
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: loved his. Ability in his game my dark horse who

1057
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: could possibly Come. Out of the east and this is

1058
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of praying and a lot of

1059
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: treatment and just a lot of stars to align. The

1060
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Seventy Six ers if joel, embiid can stay healthy which

1061
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to do. HIS whole entire career

1062
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: i think he's missed over four hundred games and played

1063
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: just over four hundred and fifty games in, his career

1064
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: including playoffs probably five so he's played about five hundred

1065
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: games including playoffs and missed, almost four hundred games. Which

1066
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: is fucking unbelievable but what bothers Me about him is

1067
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: i'm such a huge fan of his but when you

1068
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: hear people say. He's not a, leader he's, always late

1069
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: he's lazy he doesn't put the work. In to stay

1070
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: healthy this is, the product you see and there they're

1071
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: making him. A TON of money so i think this

1072
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: is Really to me, if i'm in management this is

1073
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: the make or BREAK. Season for drawl inmbiid if he

1074
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: can't get his, SHIT together this year i think you

1075
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: got to cut your. Ties at some point and then,

1076
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: On The flip side. PAUL george knee injuries i think

1077
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: he had. Two Procedures this summer, if i'm not mistaken

1078
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: can he find? Some sort OF glory and then i

1079
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: REALLY Like. THEIR core vja edgecom i REALLY like young

1080
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: athletic i think average about twelve To Fourteen. In the

1081
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: Summer league McCain a sacramento boy coming back. Off of

1082
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: acl meniscus excuse me for. McCain was A MENISCUS and

1083
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: then tyrese maxi. A great young cores but if you CAN,

1084
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: GET a healthy embiid i would probably say you need

1085
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: about sixty to SIXTY, five Games from embiid and i'd

1086
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: probably Say The same for paul george and then for

1087
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: them both to be. ABLE to Be healthy i know.

1088
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking. CRAZY shit with now i, haven't Even smoked,

1089
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: today but i'm saying if that can Happen With The,

1090
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: DEPLETED west eastern conference i think they could. Possibly Be

1091
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: a representative but i'm probably Going, to pick the knicks

1092
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: to be, be honest with You First. Year coach mike

1093
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: brown mike has always had a great track record of

1094
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: being great. In his first year after the first year

1095
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: is where shit. Normally HITS the fan but i, think,

1096
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: this first year obviously with his new, fresh energy and

1097
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: style and obviously the vets they, HAVE on That Team

1098
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: i think new york will probably Come Out. Of THE

1099
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: eastern conference but i also. LIKE the Young, TEAMS i Like,

1100
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: ORLANDO i like detroit I. Kind of like atlanta on,

1101
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: THE back of that i look for all three of

1102
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: those teams to definitely be, in The playoff hunt with orlando.

1103
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: TAKING a big jump i Think That trade for bain bain.

1104
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: WASN'T the second option i think he was forced to

1105
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: be A. SECOND option in memphis i think he's a

1106
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Great third Option Behind. Polo and ronz wagner i'm a

1107
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: big Fan Of both the polo paulo SHOULD be in the.

1108
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: MVP conversation this SEASON i, feel like i mean this

1109
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: guy's a career thirty pointy game. Score in, the playoffs,

1110
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: he's bigger he's stronger he, works His ass off so

1111
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: i'm definitely looking forward a big season From. Him and

1112
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: then detroit detroit came out of nowhere and have done,

1113
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: it the right. Way putting. Pieces together i'm? Glad what's

1114
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: his name did he? Ever get? His money the beasy really,

1115
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: no one signed him some weird shit man messed. The

1116
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: man's career up. If he didn't bet, if you Did

1117
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: bet but the, feds are off you so normally When,

1118
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: you beat the fed it means you. Did a good

1119
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: job there's a couple of very Few. People beat the

1120
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: feds very Few. People beat the fes but, Again, to

1121
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: my point, detroit good young. Core good young team interested

1122
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: to see what they do in Any Year that the.

1123
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Eastern conference is down so my pick to Come out of.

1124
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: The EAST this year And i don't think i've Ever

1125
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: been alive when i've been able to say this or

1126
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: at least, paid attention To basketball but the knicks will

1127
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: most likely Come Out of the. Eastern Conference this year

1128
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: so i'm excited For The city Of New york and jayden. Brunton,

1129
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: and those guys, last But Not least will russell, westbrook

1130
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: find a team And Right now the houston rockets may

1131
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: be a Suitor Finding out the van fleet has. A

1132
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: season ending, injury fred get, better bro, rest up, but

1133
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: again you. Know injuries open doors they do. Need. A

1134
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: point guard now Obviously We know The Kevin durant and

1135
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: russell westbrook history hasn't been as pretty as. It NEEDS

1136
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: to be but i think they're both older in both

1137
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: past that and understand they're both, playing not borrow time

1138
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: but you know it's coming towards an end for Both

1139
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: of Their great. Hall of fame careers so it'd be

1140
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Interesting to see if westbrook does come in. How THAT

1141
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: will Work but i mean westbrook had a. SOLID year

1142
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: last year i think he was at thirteen Six. And

1143
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: five for denver don't know why, he didn't go back

1144
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: but that's probably some teams are questioning why. He didn't

1145
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: go back but, kd IS coming over and i think

1146
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: this was The consistent score that houston. WAS missing Last

1147
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: year i think kadi was at what at twenty, seven

1148
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: game year eighteen still shooting fifty three from the field

1149
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: and over from, the three point line the most efficient

1150
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: score this. Game Has Ever seen the, Thompson twins over there.

1151
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: Jabbari Is over there sing. GOON is a goon i.

1152
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: Like Him a lot this houston team can definitely make

1153
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: some noise if they're able to stay healthy and solve.

1154
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: That point guard issue. I'm excited To See, BUT for,

1155
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: russell westbrook i Mean it's Been a. Hall of fame

1156
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: career obviously towards the end he's bounced. Around a little,

1157
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: bit but you. Know, YOU always hear unfortunately i think

1158
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: there's a tale of two stories when You Hear, a

1159
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: rus russell westbrook, because there's a media a story, that

1160
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: the media paints and then there's a story that teammates

1161
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: tell and their night and day they couldn't be. Further

1162
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: from each other you always hear he's such a dope

1163
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: dude and cool with a locker room. And a super

1164
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: vet but the media will paint him as the worst.

1165
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: Guy on the planet So we'll see if houston bias

1166
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: into that and if he's. Able To join Them If,

1167
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: i'm a RUSSELL westbrook if THE, nba IS an Nba and.

1168
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I think, I'M done i mean i don't think. HE'S

1169
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: hurting for money i think he's still doing right off.

1170
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: THE court business wise i know for a fact he's

1171
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: doing great off, The COURT business wise so i don't

1172
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: even really think. IT'S about the money i think it's

1173
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: still about the love and the passion and wanting to

1174
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: finish his. Career ON his terms. The nba is crazy

1175
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: professional sports is crazy because rarely do you find guys

1176
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: that get to end their career the way they want

1177
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: to or walk away. On their own, Accord And to

1178
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: me russell westbrook should be a guy that's. Able to

1179
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: Do that First BOUT. Hall of famer mvp when you

1180
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: think of leaving it, All On the court russell westbrook

1181
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: is one of the first guys. That comes to mind

1182
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: so we will See. What happens with, russe best, OF

1183
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: luck but regardless I really like this Houston. Team in

1184
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the west not sure Who's. COMING out the west i think,

1185
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: my top three teams just kind of guessing going into

1186
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: THE Season would be Okayc houston and Probably dallas with the.

1187
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: Denver right behind them those two teams can flip flop if.

1188
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: Doubts IS not healthy BUT i really Like I think

1189
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: this Kevin durant signing and houston puts them at the top,

1190
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: of the excuse me The Top, of the western conference and.

1191
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be, fun, we all know okay see paid,

1192
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: their top three guys so it to be interesting to see

1193
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: these next few years how that team is able to

1194
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: stay together because they they paid the whole bank For their.

1195
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: For their big three so that's a young team. Coming

1196
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: off a championship see how. They respawn this season but

1197
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna BE a. Really fun nba season. I'm excited

1198
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: as normal and you gotta have a little bit of

1199
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: MONEY to watch, the nba this season and shit's going

1200
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: to be, all over the place so make sure you.

1201
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: Check your local listings but WE kick off The, nba

1202
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Speaker 1: SEASON next monday and i think we're Live streaming What

1203
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: the Warriors. And lakers on tuesday catch Our Live, Stream Me,

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1205
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1206
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