WEBVTT - Nonstop Absurdity 

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. You were

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<v Speaker 1>off the campaign for more than a week, roughly nine days,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. Your campaign said you had the flu. What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got the flu and I'm feeling much better.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad I had a chance to recover. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't take the opportunity to get well, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you can get even sicker. And so I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 2>made the decision to just take the week, get better.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I'm glad to be back on the trail.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the non-story around James Tallarico, the Democrat running for

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate in Texas, who has a shot at winning,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least did until today.

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<v Speaker 1>You look confused before I get to the breaking news. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like the conversation of your campaign says you

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<v Speaker 1>had the flu. What happened? Well, I got the flu

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<v Speaker 1>and I was sick and I thought I should recover.

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<v Speaker 1>So I stayed at home. It's a little weird that

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<v Speaker 1>he went dark, though.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, just like not talking to anybody. And nobody

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to know where he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Including not saying, hey, by the way, James has the flu,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's going to take a few minutes or a

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<v Speaker 1>few days to recoup.

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<v Speaker 3>When have you ever in your life been so sick

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<v Speaker 3>for a dozen days that you wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 3>to record a YouTube video or jump on the phone

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<v Speaker 3>or something? I never have, including when I had cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Not for 12 straight days of I couldn't have had

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<v Speaker 3>a phone call. But didn't his campaign not even say

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<v Speaker 3>anything until people started asking questions?

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it is a strange story.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, the Senate race in Texas, which is way

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<v Speaker 3>closer than it should be, Elon Musk is about to

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<v Speaker 3>jump into it big. Mark Halpern reporting that he's got

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<v Speaker 3>four sources that Elon Musk and his people are now

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<v Speaker 3>talking about spending a lot with all capital letters of

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<v Speaker 3>money in Texas. Just in Texas, they're looking to spend between.

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<v Speaker 1>$ 50 and $ 200 million just in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>$ 50 million from a guy in one state would be stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>$ 200 is just, I don't know what we're doing here. Right, right. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon lives in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>And probably is specifically appalled because he lives there with

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of a Democrat getting elected. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>just saw a piece where someplace about what's on the line. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Matthew Continetti, who's really, really good, writing about what's on

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<v Speaker 3>the line if the Republicans, he's going with the assumed

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats are going to take the House. But what if

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats have the House and the Senate? And, man,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of things that flow from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. So the whole Senate thing's. A big deal. And

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk was that. Yeah. Yeah. By the way. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out that, you know, Tallarico is no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not like Josh Shapiro. I mean, he's woke. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a lefty. Oh, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So for the one more thing podcast, I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to play some Shane Gillis, the comedian who was

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<v Speaker 3>the host of Saturday Night Live and some of his.

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<v Speaker 1>Monologue, which apparently is controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what that means in the modern world,

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<v Speaker 3>because if six people complain about something on Twitter, then

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Post will say, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Twitter angry at, and you pick two people and

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<v Speaker 1>craft a story. The internet went crazy when, yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, I just saw that National Review responded to it,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's reached some sort of level. Well, Shane Gill

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<v Speaker 3>is talking about women at gym dressed like whores. And

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<v Speaker 3>he used to look like a fat lesbian and a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of different things that people found inappropriate. And what's

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<v Speaker 3>interesting about that is Shane Gillis is the biggest comedian

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. I was watching a I watch a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of YouTube stuff on stand up for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 3>And I saw one with a roundtable the other day

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<v Speaker 3>of all the biggest stand up comedians around that aren't

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<v Speaker 3>Shane Gillis.

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<v Speaker 1>And they are asking.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going through how various comedians have had this moment

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<v Speaker 3>where they just dominate comedy like Eddie Murphy did one

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<v Speaker 3>point and Seinfeld has. And they said, who's the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>comedian right now? And everybody agreed Shane Gillis is by

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<v Speaker 3>far the biggest thing on earth. And he sold out

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<v Speaker 3>where the Eagles play three nights in a row. Nobody's

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<v Speaker 3>ever done anything like that as a comedian before.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And football stadiums for college football where it just he

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<v Speaker 3>just sells out instantly. And it's because of the politically

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<v Speaker 3>incorrect stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what people love.

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<v Speaker 3>So the fact that he goes on Saturday Night Live

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<v Speaker 3>and does it, and it's not like Lorne Michaels didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what he was getting when you have Shane Gillis

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<v Speaker 3>as your comedian. And his whole persona of jeans, pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Tee, and tennis shoes... And.

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<v Speaker 3>Just saying whatever the hell he wants is so appealing,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly to young people. I've seen him walk out on

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<v Speaker 3>the stage in football stadiums for colleges and just people

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<v Speaker 3>go wild.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's basically just reinforcing.

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<v Speaker 3>We should be able to say whatever we want about

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<v Speaker 3>whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's just the message. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a reaction to the suffocation these youngsters are living under

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<v Speaker 1>in their schools. Well, school is like your whole life

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<v Speaker 1>when you're young. Yeah, I think it's great. It's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll play some of that in the One More

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<v Speaker 3>Thing podcast. Here's something to be angry about. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>you want. I'd forgotten that Berkeley, California, invented the soda tax,

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<v Speaker 3>which other people have since adopted. The ridiculous, ridiculous, there

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<v Speaker 3>are too many obese people, so we're going to put

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<v Speaker 3>an extra tax on pop as if there aren't 8

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<v Speaker 3>million other fattening things that you can eat or drink

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<v Speaker 3>that make us all overweight. French fries, donuts, whatever the hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything at Starbucks. which is worse than drinking a Coca-Cola.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, Berkeley invented the soda tax, and now they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to double it, they've announced.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. I thought they were going to repeal

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's useless. No. I'm reading the California Post

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<v Speaker 1>version of this story. They're against it, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Voters in Berkeley are being asked to double the city's

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<v Speaker 3>tax on soda, even as local businesses say they're already

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with basic city services that go unmet. And questions

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<v Speaker 3>are being raised about how do the money get spent

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<v Speaker 3>and monitored? I can answer that without even reading the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of this before I did, is how's the money

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<v Speaker 3>being spent?

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<v Speaker 1>Poorly. How's it being monitored? It ain't. It's the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that question pretty much always. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>A financial review by the California Post identified serious financial

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<v Speaker 3>irregularities involving the Berkeley Soda Tax's top recipient. Who's been

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<v Speaker 3>getting the most money since, geez, when did they first

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<v Speaker 3>pass this?

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<v Speaker 1>2000, whatever it was, a decade ago or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Health Black Families, which is a good name because it's got,

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<v Speaker 3>you like all three of those words, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I like health.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, black, we got to help out the black people. Families,

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<v Speaker 3>who's not for families? So you just take three positive

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<v Speaker 3>sounding words and put them together. Health Black Families, a

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<v Speaker 3>nonprofit that has been awarded more than $ 2. 2 million in

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayer money since the soda tax went into effect. The

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<v Speaker 3>organization provides a number of community services targeting the African-American community,

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<v Speaker 3>including a program called Thirsty for Change, as well as

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<v Speaker 3>cooking seminars and tours of farmers markets.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow. There you have the lettuce section. As you

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<v Speaker 1>can see, there's a great deal of Of, well, lettuce.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, before you even get to the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they aren't even doing this, I don't think. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you should be taxed so that the money could

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<v Speaker 1>be spent on tours of farmers markets for black families.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know what the hell that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Spreading the money to their cronies. Yeah. All right, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>keep together now. Let's move along. Here in this section,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see both arts and crafts. We'll take a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to look around. There's some potholders with amusing slogans printed

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<v Speaker 1>on them, for instance. Hope everybody's enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 3>If anybody would like a macrame potholder and a caramel apple,

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<v Speaker 3>step over here. But in filings with the IRS, healthy

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<v Speaker 3>black families' accounting records contain conflicting compensation figures, massive expenses

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<v Speaker 3>that don't add up, and hundreds of thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in unexplained legal fees. Raising questions about how carefully Berkeley

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<v Speaker 3>officials are tracking the money it doles out. I can

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<v Speaker 3>tell you how carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Not. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>A partner with this accounting firm who looked over the

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<v Speaker 3>IRS records for the Post said that healthy black families'

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<v Speaker 3>returns show repeated failures in basic financial reporting. Another accounting

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<v Speaker 3>professor they hired called the filings incompetent. Healthy black families

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<v Speaker 3>listed more than $ 300, 000 in.

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<v Speaker 1>Miscellany expenses in 2024.

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<v Speaker 3>Roughly a third of their total spending without any required

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<v Speaker 3>itemization whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>You see... We're handing out money to our relatives and

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<v Speaker 1>our friends and just using paper-thin pretexts for it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing. I think it can save us all

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time if we just agree on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've all been in around this sort of scam world.

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<v Speaker 3>so much of our lives we realize we don't even

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<v Speaker 3>have to pretend at this point to like itemize these

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<v Speaker 3>things we don't even have to make make it up

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<v Speaker 3>because if you wanted to spend 10 minutes you could

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<v Speaker 3>come up with a piece of paper that says uh

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<v Speaker 3>forty thousand dollars for this and thirty two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>for this and kind of try to pretend to justify

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<v Speaker 3>it you know we needed a printer and we needed Wi-Fi,

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<v Speaker 3>and we needed phones.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't even try, because they know nobody's ever

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<v Speaker 1>going to look. Just call it miscellaneous.

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<v Speaker 3>From 21 to 24, the organization reported no independent voting

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<v Speaker 3>board members.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's voting on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, they've reached a point where they don't even pretend

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<v Speaker 3>to have members who are getting tons of money, so

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<v Speaker 3>they lie.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't even do it.

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<v Speaker 3>No tax return review and no written conflict of interest

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<v Speaker 3>whistleblower or document retention policies.

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<v Speaker 1>So they don't have any policies around this. They got

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<v Speaker 1>to be thinking, come on, the bullet train. Right. Medicare fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Home assistance fraud. I mean, it's billions and billions. We're just,

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<v Speaker 1>we're a few million.

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<v Speaker 3>They reported a quarter million dollars in legal expenses in

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<v Speaker 3>2021 with no documentation that it went to a lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>or what it would be for or.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, The nonprofit's nonprofit, the CEO, Wilhelminia, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of syllables, Wilson, who draws a salary of roughly $ 120, 000,

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<v Speaker 3>did not respond to requests for comment.

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<v Speaker 1>She's too busy.

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<v Speaker 3>In her tax filings, her name and title were misspelled

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>You aren't even trying because you know you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to get additional funding for literacy so you

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<v Speaker 1>can spell your own name on your forms. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll cost the taxpayers more.

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<v Speaker 3>You get there step by step, though, as people that

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<v Speaker 3>are in the stealing taxpayer money business, as I said already,

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<v Speaker 3>they catch on to the fact that nobody's even looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't waste your time.

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<v Speaker 3>It take a while to come up with all these

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<v Speaker 3>expenses and pretend what they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it. Nobody ever looks. Yeah, yeah. I've

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<v Speaker 1>told this story more than once. As a child, a youngster, Gladys,

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<v Speaker 1>there I was at my father's knee. Jesse Jackson was

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<v Speaker 1>in the news. We lived in Chicagoland. It's where I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up. He was a big deal in Chicago politics.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad explained how it works. He said to me, son...

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what happens is you get these organizations that are

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<v Speaker 1>just cronies of Jesse and the company. They claim to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing something good or worthwhile. So they get a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of tax money. And really the only thing they

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<v Speaker 1>do for the money is make sure all the folks

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood show up and vote for Democrats again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how the system works. It's been true forever. It's

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<v Speaker 1>true now. The fact that most Americans don't understand that

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<v Speaker 1>that is government. That's not like a weird something that

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<v Speaker 1>went wrong with government. No, that's the scam. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>business theorem.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll do my jihad one more time, even though

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<v Speaker 3>it's never going to do any good.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, liberals!

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<v Speaker 3>You're the ones that like these programs. Why aren't you

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that are kicking ass and suing people and

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<v Speaker 3>sending people to jail? We wanted the soda tax because

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<v Speaker 3>we care about black families and obesity and all that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff. So we want programs that actually spend

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<v Speaker 3>the money on those things. You're the ones that should care.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to eliminate all the programs because I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're all stupid. I don't think they work even when

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<v Speaker 3>you try. So I want them all to go away

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<v Speaker 3>as a conservative. But you like them liberals, so why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you police them?

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<v Speaker 1>Dealing with facts gives me headaches. I don't even want

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<v Speaker 1>to try. I seriously don't get it. It's an unwillingness

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<v Speaker 1>to do the hard, realistic work of appraising costs and benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Intentions versus results. It just, there's something in the progressive personality.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't even take that on because their entire ego

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<v Speaker 1>is tied up in the intentions. You're right. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of, well, we went to the parade today.

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<v Speaker 1>We carried a sign. Done and done.

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<v Speaker 3>We've accomplished what we need to accomplish. No, you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>accomplish anything. You went to a parade with a sign.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't actually change any policy.

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<v Speaker 1>We passed funding taxing soda for the very black families

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<v Speaker 1>that are most affected by diversity. Done and done. Right. Right. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's wild. More on the way, sir. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>Metallica's not here like some other entertainers to influence you.

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<v Speaker 1>with their bulls * * t, okay? We are here.

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<v Speaker 1>No bulls * * t. We're here to forget about

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<v Speaker 1>all the outside s * * t, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Metallica's agenda is love, energy.

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<v Speaker 1>And heavy music, baby! Gotta love that. James Hetfield of Metallica.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I go to a Metallica concert, what's the

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<v Speaker 3>average age of the audience?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it getting older now? Oh, the last one I

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<v Speaker 1>was at, which was a while back, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge range. Yeah, old. Yeah, I mean, the OGs are

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<v Speaker 1>well in the middle, you know, gray hair territory. But

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<v Speaker 1>kids come along every generation, too. Yeah, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good span. I saw them in 2023 in L.A.,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were... I'd say like the young crowd that

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<v Speaker 1>was in the mosh pit and whatnot were probably all mid-30s.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just wondered what, because I hope that, similar

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<v Speaker 3>to the Shane Gillis being so popular, look, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>real appetite for non-political correctness. And I hope there's a

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<v Speaker 3>real appetite across ages for concerts where they don't. feel

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<v Speaker 3>obligated to take a side in the Palestine issue or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever other issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they convinced somehow Ed Sheeran that you're a coward

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't take a position on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>F you, I'm a musician. Yeah, it's that whole distorted

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<v Speaker 1>funhouse mirror of media and education. They're just so far left.

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<v Speaker 1>And they teach everybody to be as obsessed with their obsessions.

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<v Speaker 1>And out here in the real world, We're all living

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<v Speaker 1>our lives, and we're going to a concert. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear some music. We don't want to be hit

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<v Speaker 1>over the head with politics. My premise doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>sense anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I was kind of hoping that, I was thinking that, well,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's an older audience that didn't grow up with

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<v Speaker 3>political concerts as much. But no, I went to the

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<v Speaker 3>Springsteen concert, and trust me, it was nothing but hoka

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<v Speaker 3>shoes at that thing. And it was lots of politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugh. Ugh. So we don't really have time to do

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<v Speaker 1>this right now, but maybe in a couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>we can. It dovetails beautifully with the healthy black family story.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is yet another study has come out that

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<v Speaker 1>makes it inescapably clear. You'll love this in blue cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Virtually all recycling is a complete waste of time and money. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not doing anything. Yes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a waste of time, as I tell my

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<v Speaker 3>son all the time, because he knows this. And so

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<v Speaker 3>he throws everything just in random bins. I say, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to get a fine. I know people who've gotten fined.

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<v Speaker 3>In my town, they fine you if they find plastic

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<v Speaker 3>bottles in the thing where it's supposed to be paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking in a macro sense. It's a complete waste

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<v Speaker 1>of time. So how dumb is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're getting to real Soviet Union sort of lifestyle

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<v Speaker 3>here where you're just following government rules for no reason

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<v Speaker 3>whatsoever because the government will punish you if you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I would suggest that at this point, recycling is like

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<v Speaker 1>a religious ritual. It's done with no good end.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you decided whether to join the Saudi strikes on the.

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<v Speaker 1>We may. We're going to look at it. How soon?

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<v Speaker 1>We just found out about the recent attack. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision. We move very quickly. So the Houthis

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<v Speaker 1>blasted the hell out of the... Big, shiny, modern, beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>airport they got in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 3>Killed a whole bunch of people. Injured a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of people. And I've got to assume Saudi Arabia ain't

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<v Speaker 3>going to put up with that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's a limited amount they can do, though. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been battling the Houthis on and off for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't have your airport and your capital city demolished

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You're at war. Yeah, but you're up against

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<v Speaker 1>battle-hardened religious fanatics. And with weaponry, good, cheap, modern weaponry

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<v Speaker 1>that can blast an airport, for instance. And the Saudis,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody, are getting low on interceptors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one analysis piece I read said there isn't much

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<v Speaker 3>Saudi Arabia can do if we don't do it for

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<v Speaker 3>them or with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's some limit to what we can do from

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Wow. Somebody's going to have to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>this at some point, aren't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Like put an army on the ground and wipe these

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<v Speaker 3>MFers out?

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<v Speaker 1>How many folks do the Houthis have under arms? It's

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous number. It's like a national army. A small

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<v Speaker 1>national army, but a national army. You want me to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Grok? Ask Grok. You ask the hard questions that

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<v Speaker 1>need to be asked. How many soldiers do the Houthis

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<v Speaker 1>have under arms? Here comes the answer via super intelligence. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just regular AI. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>speak with a lisp or what, but the voice texting

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<v Speaker 1>often doesn't work. Yeah. But here it goes. I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the answer. I did Grok. Grok's the slowest of them. Oh, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Grok is really dialed back. Elon's not willing to spend

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<v Speaker 1>enough on tokens. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Grok is dialed back about a quarter of a million.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot. Yeah, I was going to guess 300K,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, it's a lot. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Houthi sources claim they have more like 500,000. So, yeah, somebody, like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's hardly anybody on Earth other than us that could

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<v Speaker 3>even do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I suspect, you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>500,000 is correct, but they're a, you know, quasi-national religious

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<v Speaker 1>fanatic militia. And so, yeah, I'm sure they have recruiting

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<v Speaker 1>arms out there. the hinterlands of the various hell holes

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<v Speaker 1>in which they operate, Yemen. So, yeah, yeah. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>religious fanatics, I was thinking about this the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>having come across this analysis about how recycling is a

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<v Speaker 1>complete waste of time. Well, I'm sorry, that's an overstatement.

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<v Speaker 1>Most recycling is a waste. It's ridiculous. It doesn't serve

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<v Speaker 1>the purposes it claims to. In fact, it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>accomplish anything. It's more like a religious ritual than anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I like... I live in a town where this is popular.

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<v Speaker 1>It's popular in lots of places in California, where you

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<v Speaker 1>go to throw something away, and there's like five choices

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<v Speaker 1>of which garbage can to put it in. And I

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<v Speaker 1>regularly have no idea. Is this landfill? Compost? Recyclable... I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, this guy actually, this guy writing this

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<v Speaker 1>analysis lives in Denmark. He was in Copenhagen, and he

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<v Speaker 1>finished an ice cream. It's pronounced Copenhagen. It's actually not.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was standing there looking at the 10 official categories.

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<v Speaker 1>In Denmark, with his ice cream wrapper, not knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Yeah, that's what I've done. Is it a container?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of. Is it recyclable? What if it's recyclable and

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<v Speaker 1>a container? Which one do I choose? The bins embody

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that's gone too far, that more recycling is

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<v Speaker 1>always better. And he goes into the origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>1970s panic that the world is running out of resources.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the case for recycling shifted to protecting the environment,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says that argument has some merit. Recycling plastic

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<v Speaker 1>can save oil, but heavy glass has to be collected, trucked, cleaned,

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<v Speaker 1>and remelted. Almost anything can be recycled if you throw

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<v Speaker 1>enough money and energy at it, but are the benefits

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<v Speaker 1>worth the cost? Valuable materials were long recycled without government

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<v Speaker 1>programs to make it happen. A century ago, scrap supplied

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<v Speaker 1>about 30% of America's copper. And close to 32% are

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<v Speaker 1>recycled globally today, again, of copper. Iron, steel, and construction

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.659
<v Speaker 1>debris are recycled because businesses find it profitable. But governments

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.340
<v Speaker 1>have increasingly pushed citizens to recycle paper, glass, and plastics

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<v Speaker 1>worth less than the cost of collecting and processing them.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes the environmental benefits made up the difference. But

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<v Speaker 1>over time, the means has become the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, getting back to a previous topic, though, once you

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<v Speaker 3>have the infrastructure in place of these big trucks that

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<v Speaker 3>some company, a taxpayer paid for them, but some company

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<v Speaker 3>got millions of dollars to build those trucks. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the drivers, all the jobs and salaries of government employees,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where the money is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they talk about the probably $ 50 billion spent around

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<v Speaker 1>the world in the developed economies on recycling products. and

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<v Speaker 1>how that money can't go to other things that do

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<v Speaker 1>more good.

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<v Speaker 3>I might be paranoid, but I actually think the guy

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<v Speaker 3>who drives a recycling truck in my neighborhood has heard

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<v Speaker 3>me talking about this, that I think it's a scam,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a job employment thing, and they just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to double the number of trucks and double the number

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<v Speaker 3>of drivers and everything like that, because he skipped me

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<v Speaker 3>many times. And then I call, and they say, your

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<v Speaker 3>bin was too close to the car. I thought, it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't even closer to a car than anybody else's bin

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<v Speaker 3>in this cul-de-sac.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell's going on here? Wow, wow. So he

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the fact that each ton of carbon dioxide avoided,

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about the Denmark's program and the EU's program,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, but the costs far exceeded the benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Each ton of carbon dioxide avoided would cost nearly 4,000 euros,

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<v Speaker 1>which is almost 50 times the European carbon price. meaning

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<v Speaker 1>emissions can be cut far more cheaply elsewhere. Even Gavin

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<v Speaker 1>Newsom vetoed a bill tightening requirements for recycled content claims,

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<v Speaker 1>having concluded that it would, quote, bring little benefit. I

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<v Speaker 1>get a feeling that when you book a flight, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't donate the money to the carbon offsets. What, are

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<v Speaker 1>you one of those people? No, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it'll calculate it for you and tell you another

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<v Speaker 3>$ 80 and you can offset your carbon footprint here. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd rather wad up the $ 10 bill and bounce it

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<v Speaker 3>off the head of the guy sitting in the row

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<v Speaker 3>in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>At least you'd be amused for a few seconds. Exactly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'd have to fight the guy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be on YouTube. Anyway, I like this part. Recycling

0:24:19.570 --> 0:24:21.730
<v Speaker 1>for its own sake can do harm. For decades, rich

0:24:21.830 --> 0:24:25.669
<v Speaker 1>countries collected low-value plastic and shipped more than a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of it to China and other poorer countries that promised

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<v Speaker 1>to recycle it. But much of it was never recycled.

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<v Speaker 1>One U.S. study found that about one-fourth of exported plastic

0:24:35.270 --> 0:24:38.630
<v Speaker 1>scrap was unusable, and half of that was badly damaged.

0:24:39.090 --> 0:24:42.450
<v Speaker 1>This trade fell sharply after China's import ban. But so anyway,

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.379
<v Speaker 1>virtue signaling Western countries, rich countries, would say, we're recycling.

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.940
<v Speaker 1>We care about the earth. Hey, China, here's our garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy it. Right. And then we'd send it over to

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.510
<v Speaker 1>third world countries. They'd be like, yeah, fine, great. And

0:24:54.550 --> 0:24:57.550
<v Speaker 1>then they'd incinerate it. Hey, Somalia, here's a whole bunch

0:24:57.630 --> 0:25:03.790
<v Speaker 1>of U.S. garbage. Yeah, thanks. So, some recycling clearly pays,

0:25:03.830 --> 0:25:06.379
<v Speaker 1>but the question is how much? Japan, which publishes the

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 1>world's best data on municipal waste, offers the answer. Offers

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.930
<v Speaker 1>an answer. One peer-reviewed study estimated the socially optimal recycling rate,

0:25:14.990 --> 0:25:19.330
<v Speaker 1>the point at which benefits, including environmental ones... most exceeded costs,

0:25:19.390 --> 0:25:23.330
<v Speaker 1>and it was 10%. A newer study found that municipal

0:25:23.390 --> 0:25:27.909
<v Speaker 1>management costs alone were minimized at 7.6%. Recycle less, and

0:25:27.930 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you miss cheap gains from metals and plastics. Recycle more,

0:25:31.060 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and you pour ever greater resources into ever smaller gains.

0:25:34.820 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 1>leaving society worse off. So take the most valuable stuff,

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the most recyclable stuff, do that. The rest of it,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.490
<v Speaker 1>it's just going to the landfill anyway. So just stop pretending. Right.

0:25:44.690 --> 0:25:46.790
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this many times.

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<v Speaker 3>All the YouTube videos are out there of the garbage

0:25:49.350 --> 0:25:50.050
<v Speaker 3>trucks coming by.

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<v Speaker 1>Picking up the recycling and I'll follow them and it

0:25:53.660 --> 0:25:56.220
<v Speaker 1>goes to the same place as all the other garbage.

0:25:56.700 --> 0:25:58.260
<v Speaker 1>You know, and I almost forgot because I read this

0:25:58.300 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>several days ago. I've been sitting on it. But a

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.550
<v Speaker 1>much cited U.S. analysis imagined a suburban county designing its

0:26:04.630 --> 0:26:09.810
<v Speaker 1>waste system from scratch. How do you get the best outcome?

0:26:10.330 --> 0:26:14.650
<v Speaker 1>The most stuff recycled successfully, the best environmental outcome, all

0:26:14.670 --> 0:26:18.990
<v Speaker 1>of it. You're starting from scratch. It tested every combination

0:26:19.109 --> 0:26:25.950
<v Speaker 1>of recycling, landfill, incineration, anaerobic digestion, and the best social outcome.

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:31.780
<v Speaker 1>Collect everything in one bin. Blue towns. Send it to

0:26:31.820 --> 0:26:36.260
<v Speaker 1>a central sorting plant. Pull out recyclables and organics by machine.

0:26:36.420 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Turn the organics into biogas. That's so important, the biogas.

0:26:40.460 --> 0:26:45.140
<v Speaker 1>That's what I say. Oh, it's biogas. I'll bet it's biogas. Yeah, anyway.

0:26:45.550 --> 0:26:50.990
<v Speaker 1>Turn the organics into biogas and soil amendment and burn

0:26:51.050 --> 0:26:55.010
<v Speaker 1>the rest. Do they have the biogas in Copenhagen? No.

0:26:55.950 --> 0:27:01.300
<v Speaker 1>Roughly half of the waste ends up incinerated, 38% digested, 12% recycled.

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<v Speaker 1>One bin instead of 10 with the best mix of

0:27:04.460 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>low cost and environmental benefit delivered by machines rather than

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.940
<v Speaker 1>by hectoring households and making them sort into five bins

0:27:10.980 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>then finding them.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to have to fire half the drivers, get

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 3>rid of a bunch of trucks, and a whole bunch

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:22.239
<v Speaker 3>of bins that taxpayers are buying so somebody's getting the money.

0:27:22.260 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Who always vote Democrat. Yes. What a scam. Yes. What

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:37.250
<v Speaker 1>a flippin' scam. There was a foul ball. Oh, that

0:27:37.369 --> 0:27:44.729
<v Speaker 1>caught the catcher right in the biogas. Oh, golly gee. Yeah,

0:27:44.869 --> 0:27:49.220
<v Speaker 1>it's like a religious ritual now. And those, and I

0:27:49.540 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 1>don't mean that disrespectfully to religious rituals. Why do you

0:27:52.940 --> 0:27:57.050
<v Speaker 1>do a religious ritual? It's to remind you of your

0:27:57.190 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>common beliefs and worships. It's to bind you together as

0:28:02.580 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a community. And that's what recycling is. It's just a

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:09.020
<v Speaker 1>religious ritual.

0:28:10.540 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, I know people who swear by it feel like

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.020
<v Speaker 3>they're doing something. I would just roll my eyes. You're

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 3>not doing anything.

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:21.250
<v Speaker 1>No, it's a faith that they share. They just won't

0:28:21.290 --> 0:28:25.220
<v Speaker 1>admit it. I got off the whole recycling thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Back when I was still naive and not paying attention enough,

0:28:29.330 --> 0:28:31.780
<v Speaker 3>a couple of different times I saved up a bunch of,

0:28:31.820 --> 0:28:34.020
<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember what it was, bottles, cans, something

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 3>like that, and went down to the recycling place. They

0:28:36.740 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 3>didn't give a crap. They had no interest in helping

0:28:39.740 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 3>me or anything. Everybody's just sitting around scrolling their phones

0:28:42.220 --> 0:28:43.860
<v Speaker 3>or smoking. I don't remember what they were doing at

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:45.719
<v Speaker 3>the time. But there was nobody, and I tried that

0:28:45.740 --> 0:28:48.900
<v Speaker 3>a couple of different times. They had no motivation whatsoever

0:28:48.940 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 3>to deal with people. I was like, well, if you

0:28:50.060 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 3>don't care, I don't care. So in the garbage it went.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to go through this whole thing for

0:28:56.310 --> 0:28:59.250
<v Speaker 3>a nickel if you don't even give a crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's a scam, top to bottom. Yeah. Congratulations. You've

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>signaled to your friends that you're a hippie. Damned hippies.

0:29:09.980 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I will finish strong next. Armstrong and Getty.

0:29:14.860 --> 0:29:21.630
<v Speaker 3>You know, coming out of our recycling conversation. about to

0:29:21.670 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>go into the Columbus Day slash Indigenous Peoples Day. We

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:30.700
<v Speaker 3>live in such an absurd time of no wonder so

0:29:30.740 --> 0:29:33.310
<v Speaker 3>many people check out. And I don't know what the

0:29:33.510 --> 0:29:35.890
<v Speaker 3>young people like my kids, I don't know what they're

0:29:35.910 --> 0:29:36.750
<v Speaker 3>going to make of.

0:29:38.110 --> 0:29:40.910
<v Speaker 1>They're just going to ignore all this crap. I have

0:29:40.950 --> 0:29:43.980
<v Speaker 1>no idea. But, I mean, there's so much absurdity about it.

0:29:45.820 --> 0:29:49.180
<v Speaker 1>Way more than when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah.

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>A lot of it comes from the Howard Zinnification of

0:29:51.660 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>American education, I think. Yeah, but the recycling thing is absurd.

0:29:57.850 --> 0:30:01.430
<v Speaker 1>The blue states doing indigenous people and red states doing

0:30:01.470 --> 0:30:05.390
<v Speaker 1>Columbus Day and fighting over it is absurd. There's nonstop

0:30:05.450 --> 0:30:08.830
<v Speaker 1>absurdity around us. And if it all went all one way,

0:30:08.990 --> 0:30:11.990
<v Speaker 1>all the other way, or disappeared completely, nobody's lives would change.

0:30:14.030 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I was reading this piece in the Washington Post.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.460
<v Speaker 3>He reached the Americas centuries before Columbus. Why doesn't he

0:30:20.500 --> 0:30:23.380
<v Speaker 3>get more credit? It's the Leif Erikson story that we've

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:24.740
<v Speaker 3>heard most of our lives.

0:30:25.370 --> 0:30:29.150
<v Speaker 1>Anti-Viking bias, that's why. It basically comes down to he

0:30:29.210 --> 0:30:31.170
<v Speaker 1>just didn't have good PR. Yep.

0:30:31.470 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Columbus had really good PR. But Leif Erikson, a Viking,

0:30:35.860 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 3>more or less, landed in Canada. And not just landed

0:30:39.340 --> 0:30:43.620
<v Speaker 3>there and discovered it, but they built a year-round outpost there.

0:30:44.590 --> 0:30:46.990
<v Speaker 3>that was a station for ship repair and staging ground

0:30:47.030 --> 0:30:49.740
<v Speaker 3>for voyages further South. They were there for a long time.

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.380
<v Speaker 3>They fought and traded with indigenous peoples. At least one

0:30:53.460 --> 0:30:56.380
<v Speaker 3>woman gave birth. There aren't many records because this was

0:30:56.420 --> 0:31:00.430
<v Speaker 3>in the year 1000. That's part of the problem. Uh, uh,

0:31:01.450 --> 0:31:03.970
<v Speaker 3>They got here so early that there just wasn't a

0:31:04.050 --> 0:31:06.730
<v Speaker 3>lot of communication and written record and all that sort

0:31:06.750 --> 0:31:07.190
<v Speaker 3>of stuff.

0:31:07.050 --> 0:31:08.190
<v Speaker 1>In the year 1000.

0:31:08.190 --> 0:31:11.820
<v Speaker 3>But clearly in a more impressive thing than what Columbus

0:31:11.860 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 3>did in terms of they actually established a colony for

0:31:15.180 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 3>a while. Leif Erikson did himself, stayed there a while.

0:31:20.860 --> 0:31:25.690
<v Speaker 3>But half a millennium before Columbus. Columbus just kind of

0:31:25.710 --> 0:31:26.370
<v Speaker 3>lost to history.

0:31:26.870 --> 0:31:28.810
<v Speaker 1>It just didn't. I think it's probably because it didn't

0:31:28.850 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>have any ongoing effects. But Columbus never set foot in

0:31:32.980 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>North America. Leif Erikson did. Right. But then it gets

0:31:37.780 --> 0:31:40.740
<v Speaker 1>to this. All this Vinland, right? Yeah, Vinland. Vineland, yeah.

0:31:41.020 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 3>But then you get to the stuff that you've talked

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 3>about every single year on our stupidest holiday, Columbus Day.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.220
<v Speaker 3>I used to mock Columbus Day back before it became

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a political thing.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.810
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was dumb that it was a holiday.

0:31:55.100 --> 0:31:59.220
<v Speaker 3>Columbus benefited from a strong Italian-American lobby during a period

0:31:59.260 --> 0:32:01.900
<v Speaker 3>when Italian immigrants to the United States were subjected to

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:06.100
<v Speaker 3>sometimes violent discrimination. We had our first Columbus Day in

0:32:06.100 --> 0:32:09.670
<v Speaker 3>1792 on the 300th anniversary. In 1891, a mob in

0:32:09.690 --> 0:32:12.690
<v Speaker 3>New Orleans lynched 11 Italian immigrants out of hatred of Italians.

0:32:12.870 --> 0:32:21.790
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow. And that's something.

0:32:22.330 --> 0:32:26.390
<v Speaker 3>So the following year, President Benjamin Harrison proclaimed October 12th,

0:32:26.410 --> 0:32:30.490
<v Speaker 3>the national holiday lobbying by the Knights of Columbus, a

0:32:30.550 --> 0:32:34.450
<v Speaker 3>Catholic fraternal order prominent to Italian-Americans led to the proclamation

0:32:34.470 --> 0:32:37.780
<v Speaker 3>in 1937 by Roosevelt. And it was all about reaching

0:32:37.860 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 3>out to that group and a little bit of embarrassment

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.420
<v Speaker 3>and sadness over what had happened to Italians there for

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:46.940
<v Speaker 3>a while.

0:32:47.820 --> 0:32:53.540
<v Speaker 1>Right. An almost George Floydian backlash against the, you know,

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.980
<v Speaker 1>admittedly an unpleasant episode. And I get lynching a bunch

0:32:58.030 --> 0:33:00.470
<v Speaker 1>of people calling that unpleasant is a bit of an understatement,

0:33:00.490 --> 0:33:01.270
<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean.

0:33:01.390 --> 0:33:04.750
<v Speaker 3>So South Dakota, my home state, led the way in

0:33:04.910 --> 0:33:08.490
<v Speaker 3>replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day. If you don't

0:33:08.530 --> 0:33:11.390
<v Speaker 3>know South Dakota like I do, it's pretty big on

0:33:11.410 --> 0:33:13.940
<v Speaker 3>the whole Native American Indian thing, because it was going

0:33:14.020 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 3>on until the early 1900s, really. In 1989, 500th anniversary

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.370
<v Speaker 3>of the Columbus voyage, South Dakota was the first state

0:33:23.470 --> 0:33:26.970
<v Speaker 3>to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People Day. More than

0:33:26.990 --> 0:33:29.670
<v Speaker 3>a dozen states and the District of Columbia have followed

0:33:29.690 --> 0:33:32.590
<v Speaker 3>over the years, and Joe Biden in 2021 became the

0:33:32.630 --> 0:33:36.190
<v Speaker 3>first president to proclaim Indigenous People's Day alongside Columbus Day.

0:33:36.230 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>So federally, it's both now. Super. Super.

0:33:41.410 --> 0:33:43.950
<v Speaker 3>Trump, of course, pushing back against this sort of stuff,

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 3>has gone really far the other direction, recognizing Columbus as

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 3>the original American hero. And Trump last year proclaimed that

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 3>he was bringing Columbus Day back from the ashes, though

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.020
<v Speaker 3>lots of places had never stopped celebrating it. And then

0:33:59.060 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 3>you got the places around the country where they've taken

0:34:01.260 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 3>down the statues of Columbus or renamed things or whatever.

0:34:06.260 --> 0:34:08.060
<v Speaker 3>And none of it, like you said at the beginning,

0:34:09.300 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Makes anyone's life any better or.

0:34:11.660 --> 0:34:17.610
<v Speaker 1>Worse at all. It has no effect. Tribal signaling. Armstrong

0:34:17.670 --> 0:34:19.529
<v Speaker 1>and Getty wrapping up their show as they always do,

0:34:19.930 --> 0:34:20.670
<v Speaker 1>with final thoughts.

0:34:21.570 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, 0-2.

0:34:22.860 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Appreciate the effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's your host for Final Thoughts, Joe Getty. Hey, let's

0:34:32.140 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>get a final thought from everybody on the crew to

0:34:33.739 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>wrap things up for the day. Wouldn't that be delightful?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with Mike Hanson, executive producer. Hanson filling in

0:34:39.260 --> 0:34:41.989
<v Speaker 1>for Michelangelo in the control room. Hanson, final thought. I'm

0:34:42.010 --> 0:34:45.850
<v Speaker 1>just bummed that my Scots, Viking, Ukrainian background doesn't give

0:34:45.890 --> 0:34:49.950
<v Speaker 1>me a special day. Where's my special day? You'll get nothing,

0:34:50.510 --> 0:34:55.379
<v Speaker 1>Viking boy. Go piss in your longboat. Katie Green, our

0:34:55.700 --> 0:34:58.529
<v Speaker 1>esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie? That sounder we

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<v Speaker 1>just played reminded me every time someone goes, anyway, my

0:35:02.250 --> 0:35:04.989
<v Speaker 1>brain always goes, oh, and two. Oh, and two. Yeah.

0:35:05.170 --> 0:35:08.390
<v Speaker 1>Every time. The great Vince Gulley. Jack, final thought? I'll

0:35:08.410 --> 0:35:11.469
<v Speaker 1>skip mine since we're out of time. What's yours? Mine

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a little longish. We have a minute?

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Girl playing high school softball. All of her

0:35:19.300 --> 0:35:22.580
<v Speaker 1>teammates say, that girl on the other team looks so

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.690
<v Speaker 1>much like you, she could be your sister. Both adopted.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her sister. She had never met her biologically

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<v Speaker 1>younger sister, and they got acquainted and now have a relationship. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that amazing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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